maybe this will keep you over until he get's to it: ruclips.net/video/vZ01GugFHF0/видео.html from 2010 and super janky but its an electric eagle talon.
Stupid substantial corporate welfare of Car and to only help the well connect it.... To expensive and take to much to recharge .. I don't plan to get any...
Fun fact about chademo: The name is derived from the Japanese phrase O cha demo ikaga desuka, translating to English as "How about a cup of tea?", referring to the time it would take to charge a car.
100%. Even if it's just a short slideshow, it'd be cool to hear about. I have some friends who built daily-driver EVs the same way around the same time, but his looks like it was way more polished.
@Reality Please explain milk float for someone who has never heard the term. What popped into my head was a root beer float but with milk. Could be tasty, but I have a feeling my understanding is far removed from reality.
In the past he explained that he received substantial negative pushback when he did EV related videos. Although it seems to have improved over time there are still people who seem to live for nothing more than to criticize anyone who doesn't follow in their footsteps.
Anti-EV people pushback cause the vids never give real times, just extra charge time is "not too bad", how hard is it to get 1 EV n 1 ICE n road trip em, it smells so fishy. This invites anger, rightfully.
@@trainingtheworld5093 Guy must have a hell of a lot of disposable income to play around with all of the stuff he does. I wasn't even aware that he was wasting money on guns as well.
Loved this vid, thanks! Miss your "is it obsolete?" series, where you tested 10 years old or older stuff for daily use. And need more 8bit keys! Thanks!
Most RV parks or campgrounds near me wont let you use those plugs unless you reserve a camp spot/RV spot for the night. Cost for those spots tends to be 35 to 65 bucks depending on location. Not exactly a cheap way to top off battery
In many aspects of life, if there are not enough choices, you will often be stuck with the worst option of the bunch. But if there are too many choices, there are fewer ways to unify behind the best options for your bottom dollar and your general need. I've found that both too few and too many options can hold up advancement, adoption, and innovation.
It is unacceptably complicated. We need the Department of Transportation to standardize charging. If they don't have the power to do so, then Congress needs to give them that power or do it themselves.
@@majorgnu That's why you have the government force everyone to use the same standard. Edit: in these sorts of situations. Imagine if there were competing standards for 4G data or something. It would be a nightmare. Sort of like trying to charge an electric car.
@@petrosrz8990 well over 100 years later and the batteries still have the energy density of a frickin brick compared to fossil fuels. I mean c'mon. 2020 and i still can't cross my country in a single charge. My grandpa did this with his first car. Scientists, learn to grow c a r b o n n a n o t u b e s already smh my head
@@NuclearTopSpot Cross the country?? Which country? I have never owned a fossil fuel car with over 500 miles of range, which is nowhere near enough for that. Sure you can carry gas cans, but still.... The battery density today is SO much better than even 20 years ago.
They all charge with DC really, it's just the point at which it becomes DC that's different. It's okay though, as the electricity was AC for 99.99% of it journey to your car :)
@@_Piers_ i guess that's true of almost everything powered by electricity. Computers run on DC, but get their power from an AC source. Ovens are AC i guess, but i'm sure the modern ones run their electronics with DC. Toasters, kettles, incandescence lights are 100% AC. IIRC Tesla's point was you can use smaller transmission lines with AC.
@@cabobs2000 no, the biggest thing for AC over DC was that it could be transported over long distances at high voltage. But both that and the smaller transmission wires is caused by the lower resistance AC has at higher voltage. Also, it's incandescent not incandecense...
He's laughing after all since the electric motors usually run on three phase AC, mainly his design. It's just the energy storage (battery) that uses DC.
@@thejackbox It depends what you mean by high voltage, a phrase which is highly context specific. Once you reach the 100kV to 1MV levels used for bulk distribution, DC becomes preferable as explained at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current Tesla and Edison both deserve credit for advances in electro-technology but we have came a long way since then.
@@-DeScruff Before: Is that an electric car? cool! futuristic! much wow! Today: Teslas are now a common sight and I personally know at least 3 people who own one.
@@paulstubbs7678 They don't look at gas prices. Sure, but governments are certainly looking at how to replace billions of gas tax losses. Which means, that they will slap some kind of levy on EVs. Electricity prices will go up for sure, extra levies on registration and once all this happens, gas demand goes down and prices go down. On Long trips, DC fast charging is almost the same price to drive the same distance with a Diesel vehicle.
That depends on your locale. Electricity and Fuel in California costs a royal fortune. In fact, electricity is such a premium there, I'd bet fuel is cheaper.
@@Markle2k you do realize that some states already started slapping extra levies on EVs. You honestly believe that governments will just give up billions in gas taxes without replacing them with something else? Some people only get it when they get caught in the trap.
You went wobbly at the end. The time required for re-charging is something that has to be accounted for. Saying it coincides with taking a leak is a cop-out. I'm an economist. I've worked on the numbers very roughly, very quickly, and discovered that under the best possible charging conditions, and at the lowest rational alternative cost of time, $6.25 has to be added to the cost every time the car is re-charged. And I emphasize -- that's under the most favorable conceivable assumptions. That does not apply to the person who drives to work and around town during the day and only charges at home, at night. And that is why electric vehicles only make sense for the person who doesn't drive a whole lot and doesn't go on long road trips. That person also has to be satisfied with staying home if the electric grid fails for more than several hours.
Most cars spend most of their time moving. Your typical suburban use case involves having to find and fill up at a gas station. Electric cars allow you to skip the gas station and charge at home. As for long trips, electric cars suffer from the same drawback bicycles do...the lack of infrastructure is the reason not to use said cars.
How can you live with a mindset like that? Like how do you go to sleep at night? "omg every hour I am here in bed costs me 12$$$$ don't sleep for to long, time is money, time is money! 11!!!" Seriously don't invent costs where there are none.
Actually, if you think about it, then this video is for those who don't own EVs. The folks who own EVs already know how long it takes to charge, as they're already doing it.
You made a statement early on that helps me understand this whole fascination with electric vehicles, you said, “the average person only travels 30 miles a day.” Obviously, if you live in a large metropolitan area that would be true, but the vast majority of North Americans live in rural areas, where travelling 100 to 200 miles a day, may just be part of daily life. I live in Canada. Our winters are real winters, where it gets well below freezing almost 5 months of the year, especially over night. Also, I’m in a very rural area, I would need to drive farther to find a charging station than some of these cars can travel on a single charge. A trip to the “local dealership” is beyond the cars ability to travel. I can jump in my gas powered car and drive to Toronto in 15-16 hours, depending on pit stops and etc. I estimate the same trip in an all electric car would take 4-5 days minimum, with several stays in hotels, meals and etc. So half my vacation time is spent just getting to my destination, plus all the added cost. As I said, where I live it gets cold a good portion of the time, everyone knows that cold is a “killer” for any kind of batteries. Just accidentally leaving your iPhone in the car over night will kill the battery. As far as I know, to live where I am, an electric car will never be feasible.
Engineering Explained has an episode measuring a long trip in his tesla with stops, comparing it to time spent in a gas car and it compared favorably. I'm in northern Ontario with a tesla on order. Nearest village with groceries etc is a 45 min drive. Nearest tesla charger 2 1/2 hours away. We'll see how we manage in Meldrum Bay.
@@elainebradley8213 I hope you will update your journey with your electric vehicle. I will likely never own an EV , but I am interested to see how it will make out with winter weather and remote locations. (Presuming you will be driving it in the winter time)
A brilliant demystification 9-Bit Guy, but in future please ask permission before hiding in my bedroom to film me getting into bed with #TheBrixtyFour. Kthxbai. 👍🕹️
@Louis Reed Technically it _is_ a sociopolitical conversation every time green energy is brought up because it encroaches upon existing standards a city or state may rely upon for funding and thre is also the promise of green tech _eventually_ undoing teh possible damage through excessive man-made greenhouse emissions that humanity could have caused. Notice how careful I was in my wording. While science leans toward human beings responsible for this increase in CO2 (after all, there is _more of us_ so more resources are needed, which produce CO2 gas depending on what that resource is) and we also exhale copious amounts of carbon dioxide which there may not be enough trees to absorb it all due to lacking plantlife.
@Louis Reed Green energy is no longer an argument solely about social virtue. Green energy is now often the cheapest source of electricity. So, the political argument is about wasting expensive resources that could be put to better use, and so, an economic discussion. This is particularly relevant in Texas which has some of the largest wind and solar resources in the nation. Not that foot-draggers aren't willing to drag out social virtue arguments against battery EVs. The child labor involved in a tiny minority of cobalt mining is a popular one. Of course, they ignore that the majority of cobalt is used in catalytic cracking for fossil fuels.
This sounds like damn cellphones back in the day. Pretty much all of them had some proprietary connector for data and charging. Why the hell do they make the same mistake with cars ?
@@OjStudios CCS is in the process of becoming the standard. In Europe even Tesla ships their cars with CCS sockets. The Japanese are sticking to Chademo for the moment because they are required by law to support vehicle-to-grid - which CCS currently doesn't. When CCS eventually is upgraded to support v2g (the standard is currently in the fnial phases of development) it will most likely replace Chademo as well.
2023 update. Tesla is adding a "dock" to superchargers, that contains a CCS connector. You can either pull the whole thing out, or just pull out the Tesla connector if you have a Tesla. They will be useable by any EV that isn't Chademo, they are opening them up to other EV's in phases (it's already happened in Europe where they use CCS2 anyway). You basically just create a Tesla account, and activate the supercharger and pay from the app (it can't automatically recognize a non-Tesla like it can a Tesla). Also, Tesla FINALLY released their CCS adapter in the US, so you can charge a Telsa now at any CCS station (you do have to make sure your car has CCS support, it shows in the car options - most do but there are a few that don't, however it can be retrofitted). And it's MUCH cheaper than the Chademo adapter. Chademo is being phased out of the US entirely. So things today are a lot different than they were when this video was made. It's still really useful though, I've shown this to several friends who either bought or are thinking of buying EV's. I know a guy that bought a used Nissan Leaf that didn't come with a charger at all, had him buy a used Tesla one and a J1772 adapter, and it came out cheaper than getting a used Nissan one, plus he gained all the modularity of the Tesla one.
One thing not mentioned in the video. Do you pay for charging at any of these stations? Including the ones at RV parks? Also what is your typical cost when charging at home?
@@amythomas1124 Also, no one ever mentions how much their home electricity bill would increase charging that car at home vs the cost of purchasing gasoline. I wonder what happens if a storm causes an electricity outage for a few days.
@@BOOMER-rs5qn while i don't own an electric car, I did the math for my house which is relatively cheap for electricity. For a BMW i3, it takes a little over 1 US dollar to charge from completely empty to completely full. soo if you need to charge 365 days a year then it's going to cost around 365. Now here in Switzerland the public stations aren't usually free, and that is the worst thing possible because they can cost anything from 2 to 30 USD. which doesn't make it much better than a pretty fuel efficient car
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Been driving EVs for 5 years and trying to explain all that to people. Your video is definitely the clearest I have ever seen, and the graphics are awesome. Bravo!
This is a great video! Thank you for your input. I would like to get a Tesla in the future. Unfortunately, I live in NYC and in the Bronx and there is only ONE Tesla super charger for the entire borough, and only 15 charging stations in the same area, while Manhattan has hundreds. Also, I realized that in order to have an electric car, you need to also own a house with a garage, because most of the time, the nearest garage will not have charging stations. In New York City, the infrastructure is just not there yet in the outer boroughs or in poorer communities. That issue needs to be addressed. Also, they need to finally standardize the charging plug and choose one so we can standardize charging station because we shouldn't have to look up charging station and pinpoint the ones that have the right sockets. This will come with time of course, but I'm kind of stuck to stay on gas for the time being until there are more charging stations in the outer boroughs (Queens, Bronx, Brooklyn & Staten Island) and not clustered around Manhattan south of 110th Street.
Every single electric car sold in North America uses the J1772 which has been the industry standard since 2010, every automaker uses it except for Tesla which is annoying
And here in 230 V countries, we start at Level 2 with the included cable! Also, it's important to note that charging to 80 % is not only faster, but better for your battery, and many EVs will do that for you.
To be honest I'm quite angry at Tesla in the EU. They can't use their own plug , but they still make it proprietary .. I mean most of the infrastructure here are CSS and chademo soo, in a twist of fate Tesla's are kinda screwed here
@@petrosrz8990 In EU, all Model 3s come with CCS combo port and new S and X can be used with a CCS adapter in EU. You can also upgrade an older S or X to support CCS for 500€, which includes the adapter.
And another reason to stop around 80% is to leave spare capacity for regenerative braking, rather than relying on friction and throwing out the energy. To some extent, it depends on the length of downhill sections of a route, as well.
But going below 20% hurts batt, I dont need worry each time I drive, EV worry wld drive my mom insane. Honestly they r stressful n half of people already r on the edge.
@@amyself6678 There's been tests that show that going below 20% causes no reduction in battery capacity, whereas charging about 80% and not using the battery down to 80% soon after does. The longer the car sits charged over 80%, the more damage done. Most cars actually don't charge to 100% (what is shown as 100% is less, actually), so this isn't as much of a problem, or even a problem at all, with most cars.
A large irony here is that if you live in a city and park on city streets, you don't have a place at home to charge. So EV's are essentially limited to people who own their own homes with parking adjacent to the home.
Street parking definitely curbs (sorry about the pun) your ability to drive an EV. You can certainly drive a hybrid, though, and walk and bike more: you don't have to go as far for things living in the city.
One correction on shared Tesla Superchargers. The first car to plug in gets the full power of the pair of chargers and the second car gets whatever is left over. As the first car gains more and more charge, the charging rate slows and the charging rate for the second car increases. This way, if you plug in to another charger of a pair, you do not slow down the first person to plug in.
This is an extremely good explanation of all types of EV charging in North America. Very simple, clear, complete, and accurate. Many Thanks to the 8-bit guy for producing and posting it.
Hello. Can you do a similar video about the longevity of the batteries, how often they must be replaced, how much they cost and what is the best driving/charging style to give them the longest lifespan? Great video, I learned much.
If you have *good* batteries (meaning: a recent Tesla), they should last 300000 miles minimum. How long does it take you to drive 300000 miles? That's how long they last. Specific tips to prolong battery life include: don't drop below 10% charge except for rare occasions, don't charge above 90% except for rare occasions where you know you need that much charge and you can drive the vehicle immediately after reaching full charge, and always plug your car in whenever possible. That's pretty much it. And even if you don't do all that, it will still be ok for 300000 miles.
Pretty much what David said! I know there was this one limo company that was doing LA to Vegas runs with a Model S, and even doing what is essentially the "worst" care of your battery, doing all their charging on superchargers, they were getting 200k miles out of battery packs before they had to be replaced. One tip I have heard is to avoid regular DC charging. I basically save superchargers for long road trips and if I've done a lot of extra driving and need a top up, but most of my charging is done at home. I think this might just be me being overly cautious though. :)
Make it simple for you. you should never have to replace your battery, and if you do, its usually replaced for free via warranty or youve driven over 130,000 miles Most EV's will go on the battery till the car decays into the ground to be honest. so about a decade. thats it though, nothing else to really ever fix. So. Easy.
@A LITTLE BIT OF THE BUBBLY I also thought of Apple immediately when I read this. Putting a simple hard drive into a new Mac Pro involves buying an expensive kit that includes drives, a mounting cage and the freaking SATA power cable. The damned overpriced computer has a couple of SATA data interfaces on the board, but no power cables for them, nor does it include power cables for a standard graphics card. Those will set you back $80 last I heard!
@@desther7975 The Mac Pro is not aimed for your demographic lol. By no means is it meant for random people who watch RUclips. It's marketed for companies that don't need to care about an extra $400, something which is pretty much pocket change.
@@kevinfaang Yeah I have a model 3 too, and I'm just posting this here to let everyone know that I have a model 3. By the way, did I mention that I have a model 3. Ikr, I've got a model 3 too!
The Model 3 uses the CCS standard in Europe, and they've been adding superchargers with that plug as well. I've actually yet to use any adapters at all when charging mine!
@@markot4627 not true. You cannot get a CCS chargeport in your S or X. You can refurbish the charge equipment so you can use the CCS adapter if you car is from before 1st of May 2019. And if it really is possible...can you provide a link and it picture?
The electric comes from magic fairy dust. This is going to be the largest creation of hazardous waste our planet has ever seen. Lithium production needs to be seen to be appreciated.
Doesn't matter how long it takes cause you will be sleeping when it happens. Wake up and boom fully charged. If you NEEEEEEEED to travel more then 322 miles then might I suggest you take this brand spanking new fangled invention called an "aeroplane"
As a european, I'm very thankful that we have a standarized Type 2 Plug and DC fast charging is Type 2 with CCS Combination. And expect for some imports or older EVs, every EV you can buy now for private use has Type 2 with or without CCS (If it doesn't, it doesn't support DC Charging at all). Even Teslas have Type 2 CCS over here and their Superchargers as well.
Thanks ... a very, very helpful and understandable intro to EV charging. It's saved where I can get to review it often. Also so that I can recommend this to other new EV owners or EV shoppers.
If you want to understand he trades between charge state, storage state, C discharge rate, C charge rate, balancing temperature during charge and dischare of Li-Ion, talk to kids with thousands of them competing in RC events. They have forgotten more than Tesla will EVER know. Charging speed is the quickest way to kill a battery.
Different people have different driving habits. With 2 drivers, in a mid to large hybrid or ICE vehicle, I can get between 2-3 times as far on a refueling as I do on a recharging (with a Tesla Long Range). And the Tesla stops take between 3-5 times as long. An 900-1000 mile trip in the West takes about 14 hours with ICE or hybrid. It takes 20+ with the Tesla. 2 drivers can do that trip in a day with fossil fuels. For Tesla, we have to get a hotel, and add another 8-12 hours. Maybe Tesla's new batteries will make it possible when they're released, but for my usage, EVs just aren't viable.
East coast to Indiana I can do in nine hours in an ICE car (about 500 miles) with one stop, gas takes 5 minutes, bathroom another 5, and grabbing some burgers another 5 and it takes about 7-8 hours depending on traffic. An electric car would add at least 2-3 hours to that trip.
8-Bit Guy: Yeah so i have been driving electric cars for a while now, every since i **BUILT MY OWN ELECTRIC CAR** but yeah who cares about that so yeah now i have a tesla. Me: WHAT UR BASICALLY ELON MUSK
named javelin Elon is an engineer. He basically engender the Tesla of today. You my friend don’t have a damn clue of what you are talking about. You can buy into a company and add to its product. Did I mention his has a damn space company of which he built on his own ideas? Nash I am stupid.... Elon could have never thought of anything... oh welll
He didn't build an electric car, he cured a smoker car of its poison addiction. Much easier to do. (Though both are beyond my own personal capabilities. I bet I could learn how to do it, but it would take a lot of time and money that I would rather spend on other things.)
Many manufacturers provide a charge card so it's free. I've paid very occasionally when it was a non-ChargePoint DC fast charger. Charging at home for my i3 in CA or CO costs me around $3.50 from ~10-15% to 100%. If I had to compare that with my wife's car, my i3 is about 1/4 the cost of petrol ICE cars, and possibly 1/10th if you drive huge SUVs.
In the UK the prices at charging stations vary a lot, as they're owned by different companies. We've not really reached the saturation point, where competition keeps the price uniform.
As a C64-raised programmer, (and proud owner of 3 full systems) not only I'm addicted to ALL your reviews and repair videos, but also, as a born old-electro-junk lover, enjoy the "unpacking" ones as no one. Besides, as an owner of a DX7, a Roland D20, an Ensoniq mirage, and recently, a mint-state Korg M1, ALSO enjoy 8-bit keys as well! Furthermore, you drive EV's!!! My absolute respects Master! Please, go on with your enlightening! Regards from Argentina. Diego.
Very comprehensive vid. Thanks. Sadly it has convinced me that EV has a way to go before it is a general replacement for ICE. Too much planning required
I imagine in the near future as this technology matures more and becomes more standardized, that it will become less and less of an issue. And won't have to worry about different connectors as hopefully it just settles into one... we don't need adapters for gas cars at the gas station, why should we need them for electric cars?
@@darnit1944 You're not wrong, and phones have come a long way. Remember 10 years ago when there was like 10 different charging ports? You could never count on someone having a charger that fit your phone if your battery died at a friend's place. Micro USB doesn't come on any new phones so it really just leaves USB C and Apple's Lightning port, I'd say with any modern phones there's only 2 different ports.
@@TylerSteven9 C is replacing micro, we're just in that awkward middle stage where older standards are being phased out. Hopefully in 10 years time we'll just have one charging cable but that's only if Apple doesn't get their way. It's also possible that new phones will just start using wireless charging which is slower and less efficient but 'convenient' (sort of) and it can charge even if the charging port on your expensive phone breaks (my mom's having this problem but a wireless charger would be too slow for her).
That was then, this is now. When the rail infrastructure was decimated by tire and auto manufacturers, along with fuel cnglomerates... they all agreed to standardize. Monopolies can accomplish such things.
It depends on if you are fast charging or not. Generally it costs about 1/3 what gas does. You also can get better rates at fast chargers depending on if you have an account with them. But as and example to re charge my Chevy Bolt from near 0% to 70% it was about $13.
9:13 - there is a great video on CPG Grey channel about "Driving a Tesla Across The Loneliest Road in America" from San Jose, Califonia to Moab, Utah using only RV parks to charge his car.
Wonder if you stripped it of all non-essential weight, filled it to the maximum curb weight with batteries, and hypermiled the shit out of it, if you would be able to go coast-to-coast on one charge or not...
The beauty of the Chevy Volt: Quick charges. Yeah, it has a small battery. But I don't drive 40 miles a day. Except when I drove it across the country on gas. 38 mpg
I get that for local commuting, and ending back home every night, the charging time of good EVs doesn't much matter. They're in effect getting treated like smartphones--used during the day, charged at night when the user is asleep. But for purposes which involve road stops as needed to recharge (and wait for it), the time very much matters. From what I've gathered, it seems that about 250-mph charging speed is as good as it gets, if the driver is lucky enough to find that kind of juice. By comparison, pumping 12 gallons of fuel in 2 minutes into a 25-mpg car works out to a whopping 9,000-mph refueling speed (apples-to-apples comparison). Until this chasm can be bridged somehow, EVs as personal transportation over long distances just don't fit the bill for most of us.
Range is actually far less important than charging time. Consider that a typical car can refuel in 5 minutes and get 300-450 miles on that fuel. If a full charge could be improved to 60 minutes, you'd still need refueling stations with 12 times the number of outlets to get the same throughput. And the killer is if you forget to plug your car in overnight, you can't go to a filling station and get it 100% recharged in 5 minutes. You're just out of luck. If you run out of charge while driving, you can't ask someone to bring you a gallon of fuel, you have to get it flat-bedded and recharge somewhere overnight. Realistically, you'd have to consider these as first generation cars, and we won't see parity with today's cars until we get away from lithium batteries to something that has far more energy density. Which means you're looking at 2040-2050 to make these are useful as gas-powered cars. Mind you, I'm not knocking them. They're the computer equivalent of the Apple II or TRS-80. We're still waiting for the equivalent of the Mac or IBM PC version to be built.
"How long does it take to charge the car?" is also the wrong question. The more relevant question is: "How many miles are you getting per minute?" (Because this is radically different between cars - even at similar charging rates. E.g. Model S will draw less power at a DC fastcharger than an eTron but will get *more* miles per hour due to better efficiency). Also I usually start off answering this by explaining that charging is not like gassing up. You don't charge to get 'full'. You charge to get to your destination (e.g. home where you can plug in to recharge to 'full' at your leisure). So the 0-80% (or even the 30-80%) charge time is almost never relevant. Note that in Europe newer Teslas (and all Model 3s) have a CCS port - not the proprietary Tesla port. And all Tesla Superchargers have both types of plugs (Tesla and CCS).
Nice video! We have a Tesla Model 3. 90% of the time we plug in to the regular wall outlet. Overnight will add 60 miles range. 60 x 300 days = 18,000 miles a year. About $400. a year. Use the fast and easy Tesla Supercharger network for the rest like long road trips. 😊
Cool detailed look into the rather confusing world of EV charging. I wonder if it’s simpler over here in Scandinavia and fewer assortments of plugs, but alas, I haven’t been able to hop onto the EV carousel yet and don’t know what’s what. You’ll have to make a follow up episode about Europe and charging next time you visit! 😁😎 Here is a link to some of the music used in this episode, all songs are available on BandCamp: eoxstudios.bandcamp.com/album/background-music-for-videos
In Europe we have almost the same plugs as David showed. One main difference is a different type 2 charging plug which supports three phase power. But not all cars can utilize three phase or it is an option. Tesla also uses this type 2 plug here, so you need no adapter to charge a Tesla on a home charging station for other EVs.
@@matthiasplus6691 Yeah EU is standardized and Tesla was forced to use standards as it should in US / Canada as well. The different plug on Tesla is just an attempt at grabbing more market share - EU are anti monopolistic they will not have such practices.
Good. As it should be. There should be *_ONE_* agreed international standard for ALL electric vehicles so any electric vehicle can be charged at any charging station anywhere in the world. Imagine if different petrol/diesel vehicles could only refuel at certain garages or you needed adaptors. Electric vehicle charging is a mess.
so to answer the question how long does it take? At the best times: 5x longer than it takes to fill up a gasoline powered car At the worst times: over 100x longer than a gasoline powered car. Something else he didn't touch on is how much time this actually adds to a long distance trip. Example: For a gasoline powered car it would take 43 hours to go from New York City to San Francisco. For a Tesla Model 3 LR through the super charging stations (fastest chargers) that same trip, on the same route now takes 53 hours, a 10 hour difference; or in percentage terms nearly a ~25% increase in trip time. This example only gets worse and worse for EV's as you change to the other (slower) chargers. This doesn't take into account the reduction in range from colder or warmer weather, which can be significant on EV's. It looks even worse when we talk about power usage for these charging stations as well. For example Tesla supercharging station use up to 150kW of power......that's 150x more power than the average home uses a month in the US (average home power usage is 914 kWH, multiplied by the 720 hours for a 30 day month gives us 1.3 kW) . Let's take the 0% to 80% example. That takes about 40 minutes or so; this means it takes roughly ~100 kWh's to charge a Tesla at a supercharger, or just over 11% of a monthly home power budget......per charge. Given that, in the United States, 62% of our electric generation comes from either Coal (27%) or natural gas (35%) that means driving around in your feel good electric car smirking at people is generating way more greenhouse gas per mile than even a diesel powered truck; and that doesn't even count the amount of greenhouse gases generated in battery production or recycling.
@@embededfabrication4482 They do shut off when the battery is full... The battery is full at 100%. Some BMS support alternative charging limits, but the battery is full at 100%.
Tesla is following Apple's lead in creating connectors that nobody else uses. For me, that's a turn-off, as I have never been a fan of "one company, one connector" proprietary ideas. For my connectors and parts, I like to "buy once, use many times", even if/when I change product brands. That being said, I'm pleasantly surprised to see so many charging stations in the US, and PlugShare looks invaluable to EV owners! :-)
I agree, but with the caveat that we don't know if Tesla's standard will be like Apple (nobody else adopts it) or like the IBM PC (eventually it beats almost all competitors and becomes a dominant standard)
Great job on this video! I've road tripped my Tesla Model S 85D over 14,000 miles in the last 10 months plus my daily driver is a 2013 Nissan LEAF and I appreciate the accurate details you outlined in this video.
As an electrician from the UK... I can see why it's a complex question. We've installed many different types of charging point, from 32 amp 3phase ones, down to 10amp single phase. [edit, 3ph here being 415v, and 240v for 1ph], so level 1 (or mode 1) doesn't really exist here, 240v is the minimum. 10 amp 240v being the max safe level for a standard UK 13A socket can take long term.
@@SlocketSevenImagine I do that once every two weeks instead of every night. Imagine when EVs are affordable and not overpriced gimmicks. Imagine when electrical power does not require other forms of energy to produce? Imagine when you don't need to be a mathematical genius to compute how to 'fill' your 'tank' . Imagine all the people
"I wanted to do something different, so I made the most informative, well thought out and fascinating video about electric cars!" - cheers to the 8-bit-guy! 😁😎❤️
keagan I assume newer complexes built in the last few years are better about that, but yeah, it is an issue. I suppose you could get one of those uninterruptible power supplies and cart it back and forth, but that would be really cumbersome and probably not provide much energy.
I like how you just glossed over how you built an electric car, now I want to hear more about that
I wanna know what ended up happening to that car
Agreed!
I’d like to hear more about that first electric car you built also!
Make that video, please!
I second this
8-Bit Guy: I built my own electric car, and purchased serveral more, lets talk about that!
Me: No no no!!! Talk about the homebrew one!!!
YES! I'd love to see more about his DIY one.
maybe this will keep you over until he get's to it: ruclips.net/video/vZ01GugFHF0/видео.html from 2010 and super janky but its an electric eagle talon.
When that homebrew hits
Stupid substantial corporate welfare of Car and to only help the well connect it....
To expensive and take to much to recharge ..
I don't plan to get any...
@@TruztNoI dont know why you are talking about corporate welfare... and your english is so broken i dont even know what you are talking about :)
Fun fact about chademo:
The name is derived from the Japanese phrase O cha demo ikaga desuka, translating to English as "How about a cup of tea?", referring to the time it would take to charge a car.
This comment needs more likes.
I first I doubt it, maybe you trolling me. But, who cares. I'm gonna call it tea from now on.
@@ExcelonTheFourthAvalonHeirs next time youre on the internet google it :)
@@kingmorons That is honestly quite neat and creative! :) I like how Chademo's name is derived from that phrase.
I now know the name to my EV "gas" station I'm going to start and what we will serve
I just noticed the number plate on your homemade EV starts with BYD, which is now one of the largest EV manufacturers.
From being related to Dimebag Darrell to being on the news for building his own electric car, the 8-Bit Guy is full of surprises.
Wait... The 8-Bit Guy is related to Dime Bag and Vinnie?
That is amazing!!! I have been watching him for a few years now and I don't know how I didn't know this. His cool factor just went up even more. 😎😁
@@Hippie459MN I believe he mentions it in this episode of 8-Bit Keys. ruclips.net/video/zJmhM3-uq4Y/видео.html
Thats nuts! i love Pantera!!!
Anti-Static Bag Dave doesn't have the same ring to it
I wanted to hear more about the Eagle Talon!
Me too, that's a story worth telling!
agreed, David seems like a very cool guy that has done a lot of cool stuff back in the day
+1
100%. Even if it's just a short slideshow, it'd be cool to hear about. I have some friends who built daily-driver EVs the same way around the same time, but his looks like it was way more polished.
yes please!!!
I did not know you converted a car, this now needs to explained.
@Reality Just? Milk floats have been delivering milk all across my town, quietly and efficiently at very low cost for 45 years.
@Reality Please explain milk float for someone who has never heard the term. What popped into my head was a root beer float but with milk. Could be tasty, but I have a feeling my understanding is far removed from reality.
@@jameslawrence8734 Vehicles used to deliver fresh milk to houses.
@@jameslawrence8734 you heard of Google?
@Reality No, but you used the word 'just' as though they had no value / purpose somehow implying a negative attribute?
9:55 "Since there are RV parks literally everywhere" - now that's a very Texan thing to say, lol
You shouldn't shy away from videos on EV's. Id love to hear more about the Eagle Talon
It could be its own series, and a great one!
Coming Soon "8-bit Cars"?
In the past he explained that he received substantial negative pushback when he did EV related videos. Although it seems to have improved over time there are still people who seem to live for nothing more than to criticize anyone who doesn't follow in their footsteps.
Same
Anti-EV people pushback cause the vids never give real times, just extra charge time is "not too bad", how hard is it to get 1 EV n 1 ICE n road trip em, it smells so fishy. This invites anger, rightfully.
Super Charging stations A and B parking spots - reminds me of urinals the men's bathroom. :-)
@Stimpy&Ren You're at the wrong bathroom, lines are present at female bathrooms
So there is 100% absolutely no talking at tesla stations also ?
So thats why I saw a guy shaking the cable after charging.
I like to keep my shoes dry. Thanks.
but.. but i want to be beside with you
Please let us have a one hour "The Eagle Talon Story" video.
Maybe he can show everyone his guns again along with his open carrying nonsense.
@@trainingtheworld5093 How dare he exercise his inherent human right to self defense! Oh no!
GermanAnimeFans No problem.
@@trainingtheworld5093 well he is from Texas lol
@@trainingtheworld5093 Guy must have a hell of a lot of disposable income to play around with all of the stuff he does. I wasn't even aware that he was wasting money on guns as well.
Loved this vid, thanks! Miss your "is it obsolete?" series, where you tested 10 years old or older stuff for daily use. And need more 8bit keys! Thanks!
Just as a note: 14-50 only exists if the RV park has 50 amp hook-ups. Some have it and some don't. So check before hand :)
And throw in most parks don't always have the best line voltage depending on the time of year and electrical demand.
I think most electric stoves are 14-50 plug.
Most RV parks or campgrounds near me wont let you use those plugs unless you reserve a camp spot/RV spot for the night. Cost for those spots tends to be 35 to 65 bucks depending on location. Not exactly a cheap way to top off battery
"The best thing about standards is there are so many to choose from!"
In many aspects of life, if there are not enough choices, you will often be stuck with the worst option of the bunch. But if there are too many choices, there are fewer ways to unify behind the best options for your bottom dollar and your general need.
I've found that both too few and too many options can hold up advancement, adoption, and innovation.
It is unacceptably complicated. We need the Department of Transportation to standardize charging. If they don't have the power to do so, then Congress needs to give them that power or do it themselves.
Lol. Defeats the point of standards doesn't it.
xkcd.com/927/
@@majorgnu That's why you have the government force everyone to use the same standard.
Edit: in these sorts of situations. Imagine if there were competing standards for 4G data or something. It would be a nightmare. Sort of like trying to charge an electric car.
13:14 - Today I learned that Tesla Superchargers have the same etiquette as urinals. 🤣
Was about to say the same thing
Urinals are labeled 1a and 1b?
That...is actually a great analogy, I'll have to keep that in mind if I ever have to explain that to a passenger.
I'm live in Thailand and my country didn't have lot of charger (For now). But I'm going to buy my first car (Electric Car) for sure
So thailand already has fast charger???
Our country doesn't have any
I live in Srilanka..I have an electric car.we have some rapid charging points,in urban areas,but I mange it.ruclips.net/video/BkvePeaPMRY/видео.html
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@@Houtarou_Hyouka_Unforgiven Sorry for lately reply, yes we have (Free) fast charge | Yes it's really free on some place
"I started with electric car back in 2007..."
me: wow, what electric car could work back in these days
"when I build my own..."
me: 0_0
You know that technically some of the first cars were electric?
@@petrosrz8990 The original cars in the 1890's were electric.
@@I_am_Allan Jay Leno Has one: it's a Baker electric car, and there's a video of it here: ruclips.net/video/OhnjMdzGusc/видео.html
@@petrosrz8990 well over 100 years later and the batteries still have the energy density of a frickin brick compared to fossil fuels. I mean c'mon. 2020 and i still can't cross my country in a single charge. My grandpa did this with his first car. Scientists, learn to grow c a r b o n n a n o t u b e s already smh my head
@@NuclearTopSpot Cross the country?? Which country? I have never owned a fossil fuel car with over 500 miles of range, which is nowhere near enough for that. Sure you can carry gas cans, but still.... The battery density today is SO much better than even 20 years ago.
So, the Tesla charges better with DC?, his ghost must be swearing somewhere in the afterlife lmao.
They all charge with DC really, it's just the point at which it becomes DC that's different.
It's okay though, as the electricity was AC for 99.99% of it journey to your car :)
@@_Piers_ i guess that's true of almost everything powered by electricity. Computers run on DC, but get their power from an AC source. Ovens are AC i guess, but i'm sure the modern ones run their electronics with DC. Toasters, kettles, incandescence lights are 100% AC.
IIRC Tesla's point was you can use smaller transmission lines with AC.
@@cabobs2000 no, the biggest thing for AC over DC was that it could be transported over long distances at high voltage. But both that and the smaller transmission wires is caused by the lower resistance AC has at higher voltage.
Also, it's incandescent not incandecense...
He's laughing after all since the electric motors usually run on three phase AC, mainly his design. It's just the energy storage (battery) that uses DC.
@@thejackbox It depends what you mean by high voltage, a phrase which is highly context specific. Once you reach the 100kV to 1MV levels used for bulk distribution, DC becomes preferable as explained at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current
Tesla and Edison both deserve credit for advances in electro-technology but we have came a long way since then.
I wanna see that interview with NBC.
Same :(
@Frederick Haas ruclips.net/video/oPj1xht916M/видео.html There you go
@@-DeScruff Before: Is that an electric car? cool! futuristic! much wow!
Today: Teslas are now a common sight and I personally know at least 3 people who own one.
@@-DeScruff the quality is pretty bad, for sure David has a VHS with the footage he showed in this video. Let's hope he will upload it some day ;D
@@thecommenter578 Oh agreed.
It was just what I could find.
I never would have imagined charging speed being measured in mph, but it actually makes sense!
The charger map reminds me a lot of route planning in Elite: Dangerous.
Also: That Eagle Talon definetly needs a video on its own
Just don't forget your fuel scoop. o7
gas stations = brown dwarf stars
@@nickskizekers1906 Supercharger V3 = neutron stars :D
See you out there Cmdr o7
"I don't even look at gas prices."
"BRAGGART"
There is some truth in that, if you did, then you'd be stuck on the side of the road, empty
@@paulstubbs7678 They don't look at gas prices. Sure, but governments are certainly looking at how to replace billions of gas tax losses. Which means, that they will slap some kind of levy on EVs. Electricity prices will go up for sure, extra levies on registration and once all this happens, gas demand goes down and prices go down. On Long trips, DC fast charging is almost the same price to drive the same distance with a Diesel vehicle.
That depends on your locale. Electricity and Fuel in California costs a royal fortune. In fact, electricity is such a premium there, I'd bet fuel is cheaper.
@@bmw803 Fortunately, for the rest of us, we live in reality. Your last sentence is positively demented.
@@Markle2k you do realize that some states already started slapping extra levies on EVs. You honestly believe that governments will just give up billions in gas taxes without replacing them with something else? Some people only get it when they get caught in the trap.
8-bit Guy is so good at taking information I didn't know I wanted and presenting it in an interesting way.
I know right? I don't even have a car and I watched it with interest
You went wobbly at the end. The time required for re-charging is something that has to be accounted for. Saying it coincides with taking a leak is a cop-out. I'm an economist. I've worked on the numbers very roughly, very quickly, and discovered that under the best possible charging conditions, and at the lowest rational alternative cost of time, $6.25 has to be added to the cost every time the car is re-charged. And I emphasize -- that's under the most favorable conceivable assumptions.
That does not apply to the person who drives to work and around town during the day and only charges at home, at night. And that is why electric vehicles only make sense for the person who doesn't drive a whole lot and doesn't go on long road trips. That person also has to be satisfied with staying home if the electric grid fails for more than several hours.
Most cars spend most of their time moving. Your typical suburban use case involves having to find and fill up at a gas station. Electric cars allow you to skip the gas station and charge at home. As for long trips, electric cars suffer from the same drawback bicycles do...the lack of infrastructure is the reason not to use said cars.
How can you live with a mindset like that?
Like how do you go to sleep at night?
"omg every hour I am here in bed costs me 12$$$$ don't sleep for to long, time is money, time is money! 11!!!"
Seriously don't invent costs where there are none.
Thank you for another enjoyable episode of "The 8-amp Guy"!
Come on, he's better than 'level 0.6 charge guy' (based on Level 1 = 12 amps)
@@paulstubbs7678 Oh, I agree, but the play on words would only work with "8". Personally I think he's probably more like a 40-ampere guy... :D
Even though I don’t own an EV, I thoroughly enjoyed this video as I do any other video you make. Your content is second to none. Thank you!
Actually, if you think about it, then this video is for those who don't own EVs.
The folks who own EVs already know how long it takes to charge, as they're already doing it.
i like the non-computer stuff every once in a while
We had at least a nice intro on the C64, letters coming from all sides assembling text. How did David do this? Please post the code.
What's cool is that it might deviate from computer but it's still tech
You made a statement early on that helps me understand this whole fascination with electric vehicles, you said, “the average person only travels 30 miles a day.” Obviously, if you live in a large metropolitan area that would be true, but the vast majority of North Americans live in rural areas, where travelling 100 to 200 miles a day, may just be part of daily life.
I live in Canada. Our winters are real winters, where it gets well below freezing almost 5 months of the year, especially over night.
Also, I’m in a very rural area, I would need to drive farther to find a charging station than some of these cars can travel on a single charge.
A trip to the “local dealership” is beyond the cars ability to travel. I can jump in my gas powered car and drive to Toronto in 15-16 hours, depending on pit stops and etc. I estimate the same trip in an all electric car would take 4-5 days minimum, with several stays in hotels, meals and etc. So half my vacation time is spent just getting to my destination, plus all the added cost. As I said, where I live it gets cold a good portion of the time, everyone knows that cold is a “killer” for any kind of batteries. Just accidentally leaving your iPhone in the car over night will kill the battery. As far as I know, to live where I am, an electric car will never be feasible.
Engineering Explained has an episode measuring a long trip in his tesla with stops, comparing it to time spent in a gas car and it compared favorably. I'm in northern Ontario with a tesla on order. Nearest village with groceries etc is a 45 min drive. Nearest tesla charger 2 1/2 hours away. We'll see how we manage in Meldrum Bay.
@@elainebradley8213 I hope you will update your journey with your electric vehicle. I will likely never own an EV , but I am interested to see how it will make out with winter weather and remote locations. (Presuming you will be driving it in the winter time)
A brilliant demystification 9-Bit Guy, but in future please ask permission before hiding in my bedroom to film me getting into bed with #TheBrixtyFour. Kthxbai. 👍🕹️
Retro Recipes 😂😂 Loved the cameo, even Ladyfractic didn’t get away from the 9-bit surveilance. 😁
YOU
God I love your funny skits!
Heh 420.69Bit Guy i might say*
Hi Chris! What a lovely surprise! You, and Ladyfractic, and Puppyfractic are awesome! Thank you for the cameo! :))
Honestly, you should have a separate channel about EV’s. Whenever you do a video on them, I always find it very interesting.
@Louis Reed Technically it _is_ a sociopolitical conversation every time green energy is brought up because it encroaches upon existing standards a city or state may rely upon for funding and thre is also the promise of green tech _eventually_ undoing teh possible damage through excessive man-made greenhouse emissions that humanity could have caused.
Notice how careful I was in my wording. While science leans toward human beings responsible for this increase in CO2 (after all, there is _more of us_ so more resources are needed, which produce CO2 gas depending on what that resource is) and we also exhale copious amounts of carbon dioxide which there may not be enough trees to absorb it all due to lacking plantlife.
@Louis Reed Green energy is no longer an argument solely about social virtue. Green energy is now often the cheapest source of electricity. So, the political argument is about wasting expensive resources that could be put to better use, and so, an economic discussion. This is particularly relevant in Texas which has some of the largest wind and solar resources in the nation.
Not that foot-draggers aren't willing to drag out social virtue arguments against battery EVs. The child labor involved in a tiny minority of cobalt mining is a popular one. Of course, they ignore that the majority of cobalt is used in catalytic cracking for fossil fuels.
He should also have a gun channel...oh yeah he already has one.
@Louis Reed Is this your channel now?
8-Bit Cars
This sounds like damn cellphones back in the day. Pretty much all of them had some proprietary connector for data and charging. Why the hell do they make the same mistake with cars ?
Yup, they need to gather their forces, sit around a table and make an "USB" type of charge connection for EV's.
Well there’s no “table” to go to
@@timrattenbury4768 Very true, these big manufacturers should join forces and form one.
@@OjStudios CCS is in the process of becoming the standard. In Europe even Tesla ships their cars with CCS sockets.
The Japanese are sticking to Chademo for the moment because they are required by law to support vehicle-to-grid - which CCS currently doesn't. When CCS eventually is upgraded to support v2g (the standard is currently in the fnial phases of development) it will most likely replace Chademo as well.
I have a feeling it will eventually go to this. There just needs to be more cars in the market for it to happen.
2023 update. Tesla is adding a "dock" to superchargers, that contains a CCS connector. You can either pull the whole thing out, or just pull out the Tesla connector if you have a Tesla. They will be useable by any EV that isn't Chademo, they are opening them up to other EV's in phases (it's already happened in Europe where they use CCS2 anyway). You basically just create a Tesla account, and activate the supercharger and pay from the app (it can't automatically recognize a non-Tesla like it can a Tesla). Also, Tesla FINALLY released their CCS adapter in the US, so you can charge a Telsa now at any CCS station (you do have to make sure your car has CCS support, it shows in the car options - most do but there are a few that don't, however it can be retrofitted). And it's MUCH cheaper than the Chademo adapter. Chademo is being phased out of the US entirely. So things today are a lot different than they were when this video was made. It's still really useful though, I've shown this to several friends who either bought or are thinking of buying EV's. I know a guy that bought a used Nissan Leaf that didn't come with a charger at all, had him buy a used Tesla one and a J1772 adapter, and it came out cheaper than getting a used Nissan one, plus he gained all the modularity of the Tesla one.
When I saw the title of the video I thought, “why should this be 21 minutes?” After watching the first few minutes I thought, “Oh…”
I've found the majority of 8-Bit Guy's videos are clear and comprehensible at 1.5X playback. Just sayin'. Also you can use the skip ahead as needed.
That handshake that the charger does reminds me that I wish you'd make a video about dial up.
That's what immediately came to mind. Even with V.92 I could never get the full 56K, closest I ever got was high 40k.
Best we could get was 45kbps at night if i remember correctly (it was over 20 years ago). Day time was usually 1-3 kbps less.
The coms are way simpler its just a square wave and the width defines the charge current.
Urinal rules apply at the Tesla fast chargers.
Eyes front and no talking whilst peeing on the Supercharger.
You guys are killing me 😂
Shake the end when you're done?
@@bill7305 If you shake it more than twice then you're playing with it.
There's never one around when you you're desperate?
One thing not mentioned in the video. Do you pay for charging at any of these stations? Including the ones at RV parks? Also what is your typical cost when charging at home?
I just bet it's ALL FREE!
(Not)
See us in 50-100 years. We'll talk.
@@robertthayer5779 Also another BIG question! Where does the source of energy come from that produces this electricity to charge automobiles?
@@amythomas1124 Also, no one ever mentions how much their home electricity bill would increase charging that car at home vs the cost of purchasing gasoline. I wonder what happens if a storm causes an electricity outage for a few days.
@@amythomas1124 Coal burning power plants, in some cases. Sorta defeats the purpose, eh?
@@BOOMER-rs5qn while i don't own an electric car, I did the math for my house which is relatively cheap for electricity. For a BMW i3, it takes a little over 1 US dollar to charge from completely empty to completely full. soo if you need to charge 365 days a year then it's going to cost around 365. Now here in Switzerland the public stations aren't usually free, and that is the worst thing possible because they can cost anything from 2 to 30 USD. which doesn't make it much better than a pretty fuel efficient car
Been driving EVs for 5 years and trying to explain all that to people. Your video is definitely the clearest I have ever seen, and the graphics are awesome. Bravo!
So if you're a Tesla owner, you follow the urinal rule when charging at Superchargers...
Hahahah
*YOU LOOKIN AT MY POWER CHARGER BOY?!* 🤬
"I was inspired by dudes not wanting to take a piss next to me, true story"
- Elon Musk, 2020
""I built my own"". Way to go. I admire the way you keep challenging yourself.
This is a great video! Thank you for your input. I would like to get a Tesla in the future. Unfortunately, I live in NYC and in the Bronx and there is only ONE Tesla super charger for the entire borough, and only 15 charging stations in the same area, while Manhattan has hundreds. Also, I realized that in order to have an electric car, you need to also own a house with a garage, because most of the time, the nearest garage will not have charging stations. In New York City, the infrastructure is just not there yet in the outer boroughs or in poorer communities. That issue needs to be addressed.
Also, they need to finally standardize the charging plug and choose one so we can standardize charging station because we shouldn't have to look up charging station and pinpoint the ones that have the right sockets. This will come with time of course, but I'm kind of stuck to stay on gas for the time being until there are more charging stations in the outer boroughs (Queens, Bronx, Brooklyn & Staten Island) and not clustered around Manhattan south of 110th Street.
Every single electric car sold in North America uses the J1772 which has been the industry standard since 2010, every automaker uses it except for Tesla which is annoying
And here in 230 V countries, we start at Level 2 with the included cable! Also, it's important to note that charging to 80 % is not only faster, but better for your battery, and many EVs will do that for you.
To be honest I'm quite angry at Tesla in the EU. They can't use their own plug , but they still make it proprietary .. I mean most of the infrastructure here are CSS and chademo soo, in a twist of fate Tesla's are kinda screwed here
@@petrosrz8990 In EU, all Model 3s come with CCS combo port and new S and X can be used with a CCS adapter in EU. You can also upgrade an older S or X to support CCS for 500€, which includes the adapter.
And another reason to stop around 80% is to leave spare capacity for regenerative braking, rather than relying on friction and throwing out the energy. To some extent, it depends on the length of downhill sections of a route, as well.
But going below 20% hurts batt, I dont need worry each time I drive, EV worry wld drive my mom insane. Honestly they r stressful n half of people already r on the edge.
@@amyself6678 There's been tests that show that going below 20% causes no reduction in battery capacity, whereas charging about 80% and not using the battery down to 80% soon after does. The longer the car sits charged over 80%, the more damage done. Most cars actually don't charge to 100% (what is shown as 100% is less, actually), so this isn't as much of a problem, or even a problem at all, with most cars.
Definitely gonna need the deats on that eagle talon.
A large irony here is that if you live in a city and park on city streets, you don't have a place at home to charge. So EV's are essentially limited to people who own their own homes with parking adjacent to the home.
Truth! Same for those living in an apartment complex and parking in a lot, I would expect.
@@SlocketSeven its impossible to have everyone their own house and their own charger. Electric site is not prepared for this.
@@karelpipa Produce your own power then.
Street parking definitely curbs (sorry about the pun) your ability to drive an EV. You can certainly drive a hybrid, though, and walk and bike more: you don't have to go as far for things living in the city.
Exactly
One correction on shared Tesla Superchargers. The first car to plug in gets the full power of the pair of chargers and the second car gets whatever is left over. As the first car gains more and more charge, the charging rate slows and the charging rate for the second car increases. This way, if you plug in to another charger of a pair, you do not slow down the first person to plug in.
Betamax and HD DVD thank you for bringing back the format wars.
This is an extremely good explanation of all types of EV charging in North America. Very simple, clear, complete, and accurate. Many Thanks to the 8-bit guy for producing and posting it.
Hello. Can you do a similar video about the longevity of the batteries, how often they must be replaced, how much they cost and what is the best driving/charging style to give them the longest lifespan?
Great video, I learned much.
If you have *good* batteries (meaning: a recent Tesla), they should last 300000 miles minimum. How long does it take you to drive 300000 miles? That's how long they last.
Specific tips to prolong battery life include: don't drop below 10% charge except for rare occasions, don't charge above 90% except for rare occasions where you know you need that much charge and you can drive the vehicle immediately after reaching full charge, and always plug your car in whenever possible. That's pretty much it. And even if you don't do all that, it will still be ok for 300000 miles.
Pretty much what David said! I know there was this one limo company that was doing LA to Vegas runs with a Model S, and even doing what is essentially the "worst" care of your battery, doing all their charging on superchargers, they were getting 200k miles out of battery packs before they had to be replaced. One tip I have heard is to avoid regular DC charging. I basically save superchargers for long road trips and if I've done a lot of extra driving and need a top up, but most of my charging is done at home. I think this might just be me being overly cautious though. :)
Make it simple for you. you should never have to replace your battery, and if you do, its usually replaced for free via warranty or youve driven over 130,000 miles Most EV's will go on the battery till the car decays into the ground to be honest. so about a decade. thats it though, nothing else to really ever fix. So. Easy.
@@chrisw443 10 yers
Yes Decade sound's way longer .. Then only 10 yers ..
@@chrisw443 Camry wants to have a word with you.
Amazing! I just purchased a 2018 i3 today, and your vids are helping significantly. Thank you!
"Every EV comes with a home charging cable"
Tell Renault that. They wanted an extra £500 for one
that prob comes pre-broken lol
That's total horseshit. Make you pay extra for something you need to have to use the car.
@A LITTLE BIT OF THE BUBBLY Honestly, Tesla sounds more like the Apple of EVs, with their hard-on for proprietary connectors and standards.
@A LITTLE BIT OF THE BUBBLY I also thought of Apple immediately when I read this. Putting a simple hard drive into a new Mac Pro involves buying an expensive kit that includes drives, a mounting cage and the freaking SATA power cable. The damned overpriced computer has a couple of SATA data interfaces on the board, but no power cables for them, nor does it include power cables for a standard graphics card. Those will set you back $80 last I heard!
@@desther7975 The Mac Pro is not aimed for your demographic lol. By no means is it meant for random people who watch RUclips. It's marketed for companies that don't need to care about an extra $400, something which is pretty much pocket change.
I own an electric car and thought I knew everything about charging but learned some great info from your video, thx man
I know, right? I have a model 3 but had no idea what the difference between CCS and Chademo was.
Ikr, I have a model 3 as well (did I mention that I own a Model 3?)
@@kevinfaang Yeah I have a model 3 too, and I'm just posting this here to let everyone know that I have a model 3. By the way, did I mention that I have a model 3. Ikr, I've got a model 3 too!
Kevin Fang I changed my answer to electric car to make you more comfortable. Let me know if that’s OK because I desperately want your approval
The Model 3 uses the CCS standard in Europe, and they've been adding superchargers with that plug as well. I've actually yet to use any adapters at all when charging mine!
Same. Just the AC cable, or CCS.
@@markot4627 not true. You cannot get a CCS chargeport in your S or X. You can refurbish the charge equipment so you can use the CCS adapter if you car is from before 1st of May 2019.
And if it really is possible...can you provide a link and it picture?
The electric comes from magic fairy dust. This is going to be the largest creation of hazardous waste our planet has ever seen. Lithium production needs to be seen to be appreciated.
Parking next to another Tesla at a Super Charger Station in an empty lot and using it:
**The Ultimate Chad Move**
In summary: How long does it REALLY take?
A: Yes
yes, it takes as long as yes.
To long
wow thats long
Doesn't matter how long it takes cause you will be sleeping when it happens. Wake up and boom fully charged. If you NEEEEEEEED to travel more then 322 miles then might I suggest you take this brand spanking new fangled invention called an "aeroplane"
@@markbot4286 not every body are as rich as you are
Regarding the intro: I love your EV videos and always look forward to them!
As a european, I'm very thankful that we have a standarized Type 2 Plug and DC fast charging is Type 2 with CCS Combination. And expect for some imports or older EVs, every EV you can buy now for private use has Type 2 with or without CCS (If it doesn't, it doesn't support DC Charging at all). Even Teslas have Type 2 CCS over here and their Superchargers as well.
Probably the most interesting video I’ve seen on electric charging.
"Braggart!"
😂
response: "You have died of dysentery!"
Easily the clearest explanation and cohesively presented so that even I could understand. Well done and thank you sir. Happy New Year
Thanks ... a very, very helpful and understandable intro to EV charging. It's saved where I can get to review it often. Also so that I can recommend this to other new EV owners or EV shoppers.
From a mile high view, the negotiation algorithm is merely: MINIMUM(car, charger) :)
I was hoping you would discuss how charging is paid at public charging stations. Maybe in a follow up video.
As far as i know it's free to charge at tesla stations
Camren G some buyers got deals for free charging, but most model 3 owners are paying for it now... in CA it’s about $18 to $20 for a full charge.
Exactly what I was about to ask.
@@esalenchik idk, with the price of gas, 20 bucks to go 300 miles seems like a bargain still
majorPhysics It is a huge bargain, IMHO. Any many Tesla owners also have solar panels at their homes and charge using that...
It's been a while since you last EV video! I like these, you have a knack for making them informative.
If you want to understand he trades between charge state, storage state, C discharge rate, C charge rate, balancing temperature during charge and dischare of Li-Ion, talk to kids with thousands of them competing in RC events. They have forgotten more than Tesla will EVER know. Charging speed is the quickest way to kill a battery.
Call Rich Rebuilds, he's got competition.
I didn't know superchargers bypassed the onboard system but it makes total sense. Thanks man!
It's a great way to fry your batteries.
I forgot I was watching one of your videos and thought "Hey, it's that guy..."
Different people have different driving habits. With 2 drivers, in a mid to large hybrid or ICE vehicle, I can get between 2-3 times as far on a refueling as I do on a recharging (with a Tesla Long Range). And the Tesla stops take between 3-5 times as long. An 900-1000 mile trip in the West takes about 14 hours with ICE or hybrid. It takes 20+ with the Tesla. 2 drivers can do that trip in a day with fossil fuels. For Tesla, we have to get a hotel, and add another 8-12 hours. Maybe Tesla's new batteries will make it possible when they're released, but for my usage, EVs just aren't viable.
East coast to Indiana I can do in nine hours in an ICE car (about 500 miles) with one stop, gas takes 5 minutes, bathroom another 5, and grabbing some burgers another 5 and it takes about 7-8 hours depending on traffic. An electric car would add at least 2-3 hours to that trip.
8-Bit Guy: Yeah so i have been driving electric cars for a while now, every since i **BUILT MY OWN ELECTRIC CAR** but yeah who cares about that so yeah now i have a tesla.
Me: WHAT UR BASICALLY ELON MUSK
named javelin Elon is an engineer. He basically engender the Tesla of today. You my friend don’t have a damn clue of what you are talking about. You can buy into a company and add to its product. Did I mention his has a damn space company of which he built on his own ideas? Nash I am stupid.... Elon could have never thought of anything... oh welll
named javelin I really hate iPhones autocorrect. But I see your point.
lol
He didn't build an electric car, he cured a smoker car of its poison addiction. Much easier to do. (Though both are beyond my own personal capabilities. I bet I could learn how to do it, but it would take a lot of time and money that I would rather spend on other things.)
@GAMP: Sicker than your average kigger nilller He smacked his car a few times with a wrench to upgrade it with metal.
You never talked about how much it cost to charge at the different places...that is also really important compared to gas prices...
Many manufacturers provide a charge card so it's free. I've paid very occasionally when it was a non-ChargePoint DC fast charger. Charging at home for my i3 in CA or CO costs me around $3.50 from ~10-15% to 100%. If I had to compare that with my wife's car, my i3 is about 1/4 the cost of petrol ICE cars, and possibly 1/10th if you drive huge SUVs.
Valid point. All cases are less than gas though. Electric efficiency blows away ICE engines.
In the UK the prices at charging stations vary a lot, as they're owned by different companies.
We've not really reached the saturation point, where competition keeps the price uniform.
Hi Dave, when you modified your car to use electric motor, was there any license/approval needed by the state or any official dept.?
Nope. I did have to take it for a regular inspection though.
The 8-Bit Guy the conversion you did. Did you use a kit or was it homemade?
In a lot of states, you can do whatever you want to your car as long as it still has mirrors and lights.
@@badlydrawncars6460 cries in italian
As a C64-raised programmer, (and proud owner of 3 full systems) not only I'm addicted to ALL your reviews and repair videos, but also, as a born old-electro-junk lover, enjoy the "unpacking" ones as no one. Besides, as an owner of a DX7, a Roland D20, an Ensoniq mirage, and recently, a mint-state Korg M1, ALSO enjoy 8-bit keys as well! Furthermore, you drive EV's!!!
My absolute respects Master! Please, go on with your enlightening!
Regards from Argentina.
Diego.
Very comprehensive vid. Thanks. Sadly it has convinced me that EV has a way to go before it is a general replacement for ICE. Too much planning required
As long as there's gas in the ground, E-cars will never be popular. And bring back the two stroke H2.
I imagine in the near future as this technology matures more and becomes more standardized, that it will become less and less of an issue. And won't have to worry about different connectors as hopefully it just settles into one... we don't need adapters for gas cars at the gas station, why should we need them for electric cars?
Phones still have different charging ports. Some USB type C, some Micro USB, and then there's Apple.
@@darnit1944 You're not wrong, and phones have come a long way. Remember 10 years ago when there was like 10 different charging ports? You could never count on someone having a charger that fit your phone if your battery died at a friend's place. Micro USB doesn't come on any new phones so it really just leaves USB C and Apple's Lightning port, I'd say with any modern phones there's only 2 different ports.
@@TylerSteven9 C is replacing micro, we're just in that awkward middle stage where older standards are being phased out. Hopefully in 10 years time we'll just have one charging cable but that's only if Apple doesn't get their way. It's also possible that new phones will just start using wireless charging which is slower and less efficient but 'convenient' (sort of) and it can charge even if the charging port on your expensive phone breaks (my mom's having this problem but a wireless charger would be too slow for her).
That was then, this is now. When the rail infrastructure was decimated by tire and auto manufacturers, along with fuel cnglomerates... they all agreed to standardize. Monopolies can accomplish such things.
I can Imagine in the future that you charge your car without cables but staying on a panel
It's a break from usual content, but informative and interesting as usual! Great video.
Damn i really have no idea this guy already famous long before he had a very successful RUclips channel...damn he deserves all of that
My yaw dropped
I remember seeing his story somewhere online back then, but I didn't realise that he was the guy.
So cool to see so many charging spots in DFW. No wonder I see so many Tesla’s on our roads 😊
I wish you would have touched upon the cost of charging.
It's free for teslas
@@sphrcl. not at home
@@sphrcl. It's only free depending on the deal you got.
It depends on if you are fast charging or not. Generally it costs about 1/3 what gas does. You also can get better rates at fast chargers depending on if you have an account with them. But as and example to re charge my Chevy Bolt from near 0% to 70% it was about $13.
@@trey1531 How many miles can you go on that 13 dollars? My gasoline car costs 30 dollars to fill, but I can drive 500 miles on one tank.
I want to hear more about this ELECTRIC EAGLE *(80's guitar solo riff, explosion)*
9:13 - there is a great video on CPG Grey channel about "Driving a Tesla Across The Loneliest Road in America" from San Jose, Califonia to Moab, Utah using only RV parks to charge his car.
*Moab, Utah
You're right Chrisian - my bad. Edited.
Wonder if you stripped it of all non-essential weight, filled it to the maximum curb weight with batteries, and hypermiled the shit out of it, if you would be able to go coast-to-coast on one charge or not...
The beauty of the Chevy Volt: Quick charges. Yeah, it has a small battery. But I don't drive 40 miles a day. Except when I drove it across the country on gas. 38 mpg
I get that for local commuting, and ending back home every night, the charging time of good EVs doesn't much matter. They're in effect getting treated like smartphones--used during the day, charged at night when the user is asleep. But for purposes which involve road stops as needed to recharge (and wait for it), the time very much matters. From what I've gathered, it seems that about 250-mph charging speed is as good as it gets, if the driver is lucky enough to find that kind of juice. By comparison, pumping 12 gallons of fuel in 2 minutes into a 25-mpg car works out to a whopping 9,000-mph refueling speed (apples-to-apples comparison). Until this chasm can be bridged somehow, EVs as personal transportation over long distances just don't fit the bill for most of us.
Range is actually far less important than charging time. Consider that a typical car can refuel in 5 minutes and get 300-450 miles on that fuel. If a full charge could be improved to 60 minutes, you'd still need refueling stations with 12 times the number of outlets to get the same throughput.
And the killer is if you forget to plug your car in overnight, you can't go to a filling station and get it 100% recharged in 5 minutes. You're just out of luck. If you run out of charge while driving, you can't ask someone to bring you a gallon of fuel, you have to get it flat-bedded and recharge somewhere overnight.
Realistically, you'd have to consider these as first generation cars, and we won't see parity with today's cars until we get away from lithium batteries to something that has far more energy density. Which means you're looking at 2040-2050 to make these are useful as gas-powered cars.
Mind you, I'm not knocking them. They're the computer equivalent of the Apple II or TRS-80. We're still waiting for the equivalent of the Mac or IBM PC version to be built.
Retro Recipes wasn't even mentioned, so, that was an easter egg for the community to discover by themselves!
Even Puppyfractic got a brief cameo.
"How long does it take to charge the car?" is also the wrong question.
The more relevant question is: "How many miles are you getting per minute?" (Because this is radically different between cars - even at similar charging rates. E.g. Model S will draw less power at a DC fastcharger than an eTron but will get *more* miles per hour due to better efficiency).
Also I usually start off answering this by explaining that charging is not like gassing up. You don't charge to get 'full'. You charge to get to your destination (e.g. home where you can plug in to recharge to 'full' at your leisure). So the 0-80% (or even the 30-80%) charge time is almost never relevant.
Note that in Europe newer Teslas (and all Model 3s) have a CCS port - not the proprietary Tesla port. And all Tesla Superchargers have both types of plugs (Tesla and CCS).
Nice video! We have a Tesla Model 3. 90% of the time we plug in to the regular wall outlet. Overnight will add 60 miles range. 60 x 300 days = 18,000 miles a year. About $400. a year. Use the fast and easy Tesla Supercharger network for the rest like long road trips. 😊
Been to both Fully Charged Live events at Silverstone. Awsome event. Really looking forward to this year's event in Farnborough :)
Cool detailed look into the rather confusing world of EV charging. I wonder if it’s simpler over here in Scandinavia and fewer assortments of plugs, but alas, I haven’t been able to hop onto the EV carousel yet and don’t know what’s what. You’ll have to make a follow up episode about Europe and charging next time you visit! 😁😎
Here is a link to some of the music used in this episode, all songs are available on BandCamp: eoxstudios.bandcamp.com/album/background-music-for-videos
In Europe we have almost the same plugs as David showed. One main difference is a different type 2 charging plug which supports three phase power. But not all cars can utilize three phase or it is an option. Tesla also uses this type 2 plug here, so you need no adapter to charge a Tesla on a home charging station for other EVs.
@@matthiasplus6691 Yeah EU is standardized and Tesla was forced to use standards as it should in US / Canada as well. The different plug on Tesla is just an attempt at grabbing more market share - EU are anti monopolistic they will not have such practices.
Good. As it should be. There should be *_ONE_* agreed international standard for ALL electric vehicles so any electric vehicle can be charged at any charging station anywhere in the world. Imagine if different petrol/diesel vehicles could only refuel at certain garages or you needed adaptors.
Electric vehicle charging is a mess.
2:11 Oh this is an instant classic. Love it!
so to answer the question how long does it take?
At the best times: 5x longer than it takes to fill up a gasoline powered car
At the worst times: over 100x longer than a gasoline powered car.
Something else he didn't touch on is how much time this actually adds to a long distance trip.
Example:
For a gasoline powered car it would take 43 hours to go from New York City to San Francisco.
For a Tesla Model 3 LR through the super charging stations (fastest chargers) that same trip, on the same route now takes 53 hours, a 10 hour difference; or in percentage terms nearly a ~25% increase in trip time. This example only gets worse and worse for EV's as you change to the other (slower) chargers. This doesn't take into account the reduction in range from colder or warmer weather, which can be significant on EV's.
It looks even worse when we talk about power usage for these charging stations as well. For example Tesla supercharging station use up to 150kW of power......that's 150x more power than the average home uses a month in the US (average home power usage is 914 kWH, multiplied by the 720 hours for a 30 day month gives us 1.3 kW) . Let's take the 0% to 80% example. That takes about 40 minutes or so; this means it takes roughly ~100 kWh's to charge a Tesla at a supercharger, or just over 11% of a monthly home power budget......per charge. Given that, in the United States, 62% of our electric generation comes from either Coal (27%) or natural gas (35%) that means driving around in your feel good electric car smirking at people is generating way more greenhouse gas per mile than even a diesel powered truck; and that doesn't even count the amount of greenhouse gases generated in battery production or recycling.
Yeah, but I'm cheap. I'll take time over money.
@@joshlamont
In this case the ICE car gives you both back compared to EV's, lol.
As someone that also lives in Texas that's more electric charging stations than I thought.
I design chargers for a living... This was a very good video, everything was explained clearly with good, simple graphics.
then why can't you make one that shuts off when it's done???
I'm sick of being a lithium battery slave
@@embededfabrication4482 They do shut off when the battery is full... The battery is full at 100%. Some BMS support alternative charging limits, but the battery is full at 100%.
Tesla is following Apple's lead in creating connectors that nobody else uses. For me, that's a turn-off, as I have never been a fan of "one company, one connector" proprietary ideas. For my connectors and parts, I like to "buy once, use many times", even if/when I change product brands.
That being said, I'm pleasantly surprised to see so many charging stations in the US, and PlugShare looks invaluable to EV owners! :-)
Except in Europe. In Europe they use same connectors that other EVs use. Type 2 and European CCS connectors
I agree, but with the caveat that we don't know if Tesla's standard will be like Apple (nobody else adopts it) or like the IBM PC (eventually it beats almost all competitors and becomes a dominant standard)
Great job on this video! I've road tripped my Tesla Model S 85D over 14,000 miles in the last 10 months plus my daily driver is a 2013 Nissan LEAF and I appreciate the accurate details you outlined in this video.
As an electrician from the UK... I can see why it's a complex question. We've installed many different types of charging point, from 32 amp 3phase ones, down to 10amp single phase.
[edit, 3ph here being 415v, and 240v for 1ph], so level 1 (or mode 1) doesn't really exist here, 240v is the minimum. 10 amp 240v being the max safe level for a standard UK 13A socket can take long term.
Watching this while having a 2003 Opel
*laughs in broke*
Takes 5 minutes to fill my gas tank. Every time. 😂
@@SlocketSevenImagine I do that once every two weeks instead of every night. Imagine when EVs are affordable and not overpriced gimmicks. Imagine when electrical power does not require other forms of energy to produce? Imagine when you don't need to be a mathematical genius to compute how to 'fill' your 'tank' .
Imagine all the people
@@SlocketSeven not every house have posibialiaty to charge cars
"I wanted to do something different, so I made the most informative, well thought out and fascinating video about electric cars!" - cheers to the 8-bit-guy! 😁😎❤️
Oregon Trail shirt! I need one
Cool shirt
They also need to make _The Organ Trail_ shirts.
See _LGR Plays - The Organ Trail [ft. PushingUpRoses]_ for reference.
I always wear mine to my yearly physical
Man I'd love to have a electric car but I just have no way to plug it in due to living in a apartment
Why i bought a volt. The mpg is ok. I charge when i can and plan on getting a home in july. At that point work is 3 miles away and it will be perfect
keagan I assume newer complexes built in the last few years are better about that, but yeah, it is an issue. I suppose you could get one of those uninterruptible power supplies and cart it back and forth, but that would be really cumbersome and probably not provide much energy.
I hate waking up every morning with a Lego stuck up my nose.
Just imagine what is stuck up his ass.
Been watching 8 bit guy for years. Its one of the most wholesome channels out there.