Glad I spent tens of thousands of dollars to become an official engineerd, for classes that were taught very poorly and subject matter that never had much practical application. Yet you manage to cover the same material; statics, materials, machine design, dynamics, etc. In a fun, practical, and understandable way. If you're new to the channel, pay close attention, there are not many people with this kind of knowledge that give it out for free. Keep up the videos man they make my day!
You are 100% correct, so many viewers forget that this is RUclips and not an MIT graduate level class, more importantly, it EduTainment, and he does it so very well. AvE, at first said, WTF, why is the bolt placed there (shoot from the hip engineering that so many of us tend to do, human instinct, but the educated, will then wait and think)! Some quick math and a quick visual review realized that there is so little difference, since that bar is rigid, and the rotation is minimal, so yes I agree with the 10% difference. So before you write a shitty comment, do some math, and if you don't know how, STFU. (((But yeah to the point that an old and maybe worn out tool will fail differently than a new tool, but it's stil fun to watch. What I really want out of this test is whether or not is the ugly tool really better? (that I ASO won't use, because they are Fugly))))
37 years since I started my engineering apprenticeship and AvE still teaches me something on every video. He really bridges the gap between practice and theory extremely well. I got to admit his machining and welding isn't real pretty, but his Engineering smarts are killer!
On the enginerding point: if the point is to compare all the ratchets then as long you maintain the same hold location for each test wouldn't it be irrelevant where the point is. While it's true that it would not simulate the true force in everyday use, it maintains internal consistency. If you change the test jig now your results will no longer be comparable between the different types of ratchets.
I agree in testing you want to take out every possible variable to test just what you need to test by changing anything all tests prior are now different. Keep the bolt where it is or at least do a proof of concept on a similar test you did already to see the 10% difference.
You should also test a couple of the cheap wrenches using the current test jig, and a new test jig with the hold location moved. That should tell you how close your 10% estimate is, or whether there's a difference at all. The proof in the pudding and so on.
"Pay attention to what you might hit when you're pulling." Lol I've been in more than a couple of scraps in my life and by far the hardest I've been punched in the face was by me when a pair of ViseGrips slipped.
AvE, I think your test is probably more accurate than you may think. To be able to place that much force on the ratchet to begin with, the 500 pound gorilla on the end of that handle would have to be using a cheater pipe anyway. That cheater pipe would more than likely be placed just about where the bolt stop is. So to me anyway, your test is more real world accurate the way you have it. Okay, just hand me the dunce cap and point me towards the corner you want me to stand in.
The cheater would have two points of contact, an inner one giving a downwards force and an outer one forcing upwards. Not smart enough to figure out the resulting bending moments though.
doing work experience in school i managed to mangle teeth on two snap on ratchets without a cheater. both times it was the ratchet that the tech handed me so no harm no foul
God I’m so glad I found this channel at midnight on a Thursday! I fucking love it! The humor, the technical knowledge, and the science behind it. Well rounded, keep up the good work my man!
It has been about 14 years since my statics classes from when I was getting my mechanical engineering degree. It was so nice to hear the 2nd half of the video. The threw me right back into the classroom. I never got a job doing ME but I sure loved it when I was studying. Thank you!
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11:30 - you’re also paying for a smaller head so it fits where other units won’t. When you can’t even fit a tool in to service something, the one the fits proves it’s worth immediately. Of course if it breaks the first time you use it, you also learn a valuable lesson.
It is measuring hydraulic pressure. I'm pretty sure the pneumatics is powering the hydraulic pump to run the wrench/tool. Running air or gas pressure at such high pressure is incredibly dangerous, compared to a fluid. Fluid is virtually incompressible, unlike gas, which acts as a spring and stores the energy, which is all released in one big fucking bang if everything goes tits up. Where as a fluid being virtually incompressible does not act as a spring hence it stores far far less energy, and on bursting the small amount of stored energy is instantly gone. Even though hydraulics almost invariably use much higher pressures, compressed gasses are way WAY more hazardous. When pressure testing boilers, receivers or pressure vessels for their tickets it is done with water or a fluid in case of any failure. Pressurised with a gas it is essentially a bomb. The gas finds the weakest point and when it goes it tends to go in one massive catastrophic bang. Pressurised fluid tend to weep or squirt out and not go off like a bomb.
As a Mechanical Engineer, I really appreciate the more in depth detail into the bending moment and shear stresses. I wonder how many viewers just go "duh, yup. numbers." and even comprehend the scale of the numbers mentioned. thanks again for another great video and taking the time to test the gut feeling that people have at the check-out in Harbor Freight or Sears buying tools. I still reach for my snap-on over craftsman stuff though.
I knew your stationary bolt was way too close from the other video but I could never explain it like you do...great job! I love your thought process and the way you do what you do!
This video right here is why I subscribe. You do the test, you take the feedback, and you admit when someone should have told you it was wrong sooner. Can't ask for more than that from a youtuber!
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Thank you for making this video!! Our plant closed last year and I have missed the technical work that I enjoyed so much for 41 years. I was a production floor and process engineer and loved missing lunch, dinner and sleep trying to solve a problem. I have subscribed!! Thank you, Richard.
As a mechanical engineering student these videos are so awesome. I'm taking two different materials courses right now and seeing how real tools fail is very cool. Especially hearing you use actual terminology like Ultimate Strength and Yield Strength. Thanks for the vijayoes AvE, you're awesome.
Wanted to drop a bomb and say how much I appreciate your videos/sense of humor/ and sincere vocabulary. I’m an industrial engineering major so much of these static examples are applied to problems I work on in school. So thanks for the good content, carry on!
Jesus AvE! Keep it down! I got my wife convinced there's no such thing as another 2.5 inches! Christ man, gonna have to watch you with headphones on from now on.
Literally the best reviews ever, as a technician in the automotive industry it's nice to see what tools actually hold up to the test. I would like to know your background and where you've gained your knowledge, make a video on it!
OMG you sound like my Father for real. When I said "Hey dad the gov won't give me financial aid because you are a Tool and Die guy with nice income. They are saying you need to pitch in or I get nothing." Meanwhile he has 5 of every damn tool Snap-On and 5 huge ass Snap-On boxes worth more than the entire college education haahaha. Totally fkd up.
I found this channel by accident a few months ago and by far its my favourite granted some of the content goes in one ear and through to the other! But overall it's bloody awesome!
It would seem to me that as long as all tests are done the same, they should give reliable, comparable results. No off-camera bouncing at the end of a 10 foot pipe... I love you Uncle Fumblebuck.
You gotta say...'what happens when this breaks?'.....I loved it....showed me you were a GENUINE working mechanic.....and paid the price a time or 2 before you learned THAT particular rule....and there are LOTS of them. Take care buddy and cheers from Canada North where knuckles get buggered from time to time despite good planning P.S. The BEST ratchet I ever had was a Hazet......no warranty but typical German quality....was a VW mechanic then......damn sure a Hazet would go near-off the scale Despite this I had almost COMPLETELY Snatch-on....and the main reason....in those days it was 100% warranty...NO QUESTIONS and the guy came to the garage every week ( in a big dealership ) or every 2 weeks at a smaller dealership.......and THAT is why we bought Snatch-on....NOT the quality...true this P{.P.S...subscribed because I like you no-BS way of expressing yourself....I'll be disappointed if you aren't Canadian...but the shot of the worn ratchet showing an old CTC logo said it all
From a fellow Canuck. I was having Das Boot flash backs and then so did you! Amazing and as always completely informative and entertaining. Thanks for your time it's appreciated
I think one of the distinctions to make with snap on and other high end tools, is that despite taking a bit less torque: The teeth are much finer and your minimum ratcheting angle is less than something coarse
LMFAO- when AvE pinns a comment.... it's like that tethered goat in jurassic park... anywho... I just wanted to say the bit at the end was my favorite part. Thanks for taking the time to answer questions... and giving us the opportunity to dismantle any snobby critics.
Hey dude, it's nice to see that you're open to new information and admitting when you messed something up. I've been watching and subscribed for several months now and I really like what you do. Keep up the good work.
Once my sister's boyfriend tried to help me work on the brakes on my old Chrysler. He was pulling a ratchet when it slipped and he smacked himself in the forehead. Of course, he then sprung back and smacked the back of his head on the fender well. Just about knocked himself out.
Nice video AVE... I discovered your channel a few months ago and have caught up on all your videos... I have learned so much from your tool teardowns... Thanks
The one feature I really like about the round head ratchets is, you can grab the back and turn/manual lock the socket. It's awesome for the bolts that are too loose for the wrench but too tight for your fingers.
Not sure if you are still checking this vijayo but you can't just add stresses like that if they aren't in the same direction. For an isotropic material (such as steel), there are 6 different stresses: 3 normal stresses and 3 shear stresses in different diretions. The bending creates a normal stress and the shear and torque create shear stresses, but in different directions. One of the most common ways to get the "total" amount of stress is by calculating the von Mises equivalent stress.
learned the "defensive driving" principles working in a machine shop. Think ahead, think physics to avoid injuries, and ALWAYS, know where your digits are if you wanna keep em. Good vidjayo.
I just bought some cold weather overalls made in Canada. They are super nice, but for $300 they should be. I am that guy driving around Denver with my windows down when it's -6 F out, with a windchill of -40.
Fantastic vijayo AvE, my good man. Even behind the safety of my computer screen, I was physically wincing when the first snap-on was headed for 3000psi!
would you like to buy a tool chest that is poorer quality than harbor freight at 10x the price? seriously...me an my buddy just bought the same 56" chests... only his was snapon… I bought a 30.00 snapon chrome badge.... he has more chassis flex pulling the box than my HF... and mine is heavier with more tools. you shouldn't be able to bend the sheet metal pulling on something! it should have a frame!!!!!
There will be ppl allways complaining about this or that, 99% of them have probably NEVER even heard of STATICS let alone took a class. I have, and you are doing a brilliant job making it a HELL of alot funner then it was in college!
This setup is keeping "in plane" more consistently than a human at peak effort. Another vote for keeping it the same for the next batch of sockets, for all the reasons others mentioned
My dad did 30 years in the submarine service. He retired as Captain of a boomer. I met some of the WWII guys. By the end of the war, subs were a death sentence. Brave young men many on eternal patrol.
And he used to do a lot of NATO exercises with the canucks out of Halifax. He said they were funny as hell. Saw a couple.of junior officers moon an admiral.
To add to your addendum, in every day use my Mastercraps have always failed when the overall slop in the ratchet mechanism increases to a point where the pall and the gear just slip past each other. This happens with continuous use but is aggravated when I can't apply force in the same plane as the fastener, either pulling up or pushing down on the handle as well as torquing the fastener. Better ratchets usually fail when I leave them unattended and they grow legs and walk away.
We use all crap-on ratchets and tools in our shop, and I can tell you the same thing happens to them, and they never want to replace them! So then I have to go steal some other poor sap's ratchet.
Two force members! Statics was fun in college I never went on to take the corresponding dynamics class, so i'll keep checking back to see what more shenanigans you're up to. So keep up the good work/fun!
"units that haven't gone to the moon" Actually, NASA used SI during the moon landing, although they reported everything in English, most of it was done in SI.
Yet the calculations neil armstrong made on the wall of the command capsule are in english. Not like he had time to convert while hurtling in on reentry. So akchuallly... come up with some other bs
@@yootoobactnameyoo5221 Why is it BS? Everyone else except the UK and US are domestically metric. They only use imperial for existing products and for some exports when specified imperial. In electronics the sizes of components are usually imperial but connectors etc are now getting as common, if not more in metric footprints.
Great advice for safe tool use! Many thanks!! The testing is great but the pro tips are the best part. Where were you when I was thrashing the hell out of my knuckles trying to get the valve cover off a VW engine? Every. Damn. Time.
When you refer to metric as "units that haven't gone to the moon" You should refer to barbarian units as "units that crashed a probe on mars" It would be funny AF
I agree about adjusting the distance from the head to the moment. Increasing the distance along the shaft will allow for less torque applied to the head. Therefore shortening that distance will ensure less torque is lost through the total overall length between the head and the moment.
People don't half get butthurt about vidjeos like this. You don't have to believe everything that you're told is gospel! Its information, take it for what it is. The guy's doing some of the good legwork for you; add it to the pile, question it, find more information, add that to the pile and draw your own conclusions.
Man, lots of respect for beating up your old tools like that for science. When I've got tools I use enough to put that much patina and battle scars I could never ever bring myself to do this to them. Thanks, but man... hard to watch, those were some brave soldiers.
since we are doing mechanical engineering here and not theoretical physics, I would say MKS. Convieniently the torque numbers are also equivalent to the ft lbs values if we use kg m^2 s^-2 as science unit ;-)
What you failed to mention; you get comparable results with this setup. Very comparable, clean results. Well, as clean as you can get... And that's what matter the most. And what I care about, not if this test is comparable to real-life tool handling. It's a comparison of tool, not a comparison of test-result-to-real-life... And that's what many people don't seem to understand in regard to a lot of things, like consumption figures in the automobile industry. No, they can't be fully compared to real-life situation. But they can be compared to each other. And that's the reason clever guys figure out test cycles - it's the ONLY way to comparable figures... Keep on doing what you do, it's awesome!
This is a deliberate feature. If the anvil was the failure point there’s a chance of losing sockets, so they design them to fail in a manner that results in no parts falling off
Have the Crappy Tire one. 3/8 and half inch. Thirty years, haven't broken them yet. Hammers have been involved. Extender bars too. Bought in a big "Good/Better/Best" kit. Wish the plastic hinges of the case held up longer than a day.
Language barriers be damned, I kinda want to have a Taiwan Beer (seriously, thats the brand) with the guys that make shitty ratchets. I bet they've got some stories.
I found the problem. You left the Snap-On ratchets turned off during the test. I haven't read the instructions, but I believe they need to be turned on before use.
I tell the apprentices to make sure they turn them off at the end of the day or the battery will be flat the next morning. unnerving how many believe me.
Wait a sec -- wouldn't the bending stress you brought up at the end of the video be the same at the tool's drive even if you moved the bolt further out? If we call the drive axis X and the length of the handle to be running parallel to the Y axis, then you're saying it's the bending stress about the Y axis that you didn't factor at first. But since moving the point loading further down the handle doesn't change the moment arm any distance from the Y axis, that shouldn't change the bending stress about the Y axis at the drive. Sigma = Moment * distance from neutral axis / 2nd moment of inertia.
Hey, engineering is about making mistakes, recognizing them, and recovering. If everything got done right the first time kindergartners would be putting each other on the moon with old shopping carts and refrigerator boxes. This is one of your best vids, and I watch them all. Reminds me this field can be fun as hell. Cheers.
This test only covers situations where you decide to put a few cycles of extremely high torque on the ratchet (using a cheater bar). Under normal use, it's more likely the internals will wear out - this is where the quality of the metal used for the gear and pawl matters.
This is exactly what all of the RUclips tool testers miss and don't understand. The steel Snap On uses for their ratchets is either Chrome Boron or Chrome Nickel Molybdenum Boron. It's harder than the Chrome Vanadium used in the import tools. So while it may break around the same point due to the hardness, it will also wear much better, will last longer without wearing out. I've been on automotive production lines where Snap On sockets are in use. Some of those sockets will torque ten thousand fasteners a day, every day, six days a week. This is what all the armchair tool "experts" will never understand. The Snap On ratchet used in this video is likely over 50 years old. If used as intended I've never had one break.
"Thanks for sticking with me" Thanks for posting the VDJOs! Even if I do understand why you're breaking tools, I still cringe every time one breaks. Good advice on the positioning of the tool if it breaks, will remember that one. Also, I was always taught never to use a ratchet to undo something (at least initially) as you don't know how tight it's going to be. Trying to find a decent 3/8" T bar longer than 6" seems to be impossible in the UK (even Fapp-off or their blue line) so suggestions on where I can get one (UK, 'Murica or Kanuckystan) appreciated
I have both styles snap on ratchet and a few others, over the years of daily beating the snapon always seem to have a smoother action, the cheaper ratchets, over time, will start skipping on the pawl resulting in knuckle damage the snap on just seem more dependable (fine and coarse tooth). i dont mind if a 3/8ths ratchet will sheer at 200+ft/lb cause thats where I use a 3/8 cheater bar or use a 1/2" ratchet. I dont think the videos a dig at snap on, its just plain interesting.., a lighter, slighter pawl (i.e. a much nicer to use ratchet) will be weaker than a heavily sprung clunky pawl mechanism. Curious to see how the fine tooth ratchets do :)
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Glad I spent tens of thousands of dollars to become an official engineerd, for classes that were taught very poorly and subject matter that never had much practical application. Yet you manage to cover the same material; statics, materials, machine design, dynamics, etc. In a fun, practical, and understandable way. If you're new to the channel, pay close attention, there are not many people with this kind of knowledge that give it out for free. Keep up the videos man they make my day!
You are 100% correct, so many viewers forget that this is RUclips and not an MIT graduate level class, more importantly, it EduTainment, and he does it so very well. AvE, at first said, WTF, why is the bolt placed there (shoot from the hip engineering that so many of us tend to do, human instinct, but the educated, will then wait and think)! Some quick math and a quick visual review realized that there is so little difference, since that bar is rigid, and the rotation is minimal, so yes I agree with the 10% difference. So before you write a shitty comment, do some math, and if you don't know how, STFU. (((But yeah to the point that an old and maybe worn out tool will fail differently than a new tool, but it's stil fun to watch. What I really want out of this test is whether or not is the ugly tool really better? (that I ASO won't use, because they are Fugly))))
37 years since I started my engineering apprenticeship and AvE still teaches me something on every video.
He really bridges the gap between practice and theory extremely well.
I got to admit his machining and welding isn't real pretty, but his Engineering smarts are killer!
Canada. Over a decade ago my classes at a cheap university were $6,000 per year. Not including books.
xl thousands of dollars? Pretty much anywhere, tens of thousands of dollars not so much.
The US.
My degree was somewhere around $8,500 per semester. And I went to a (very, very good) state school.
No joke, thinking "what happens when this breaks?" has saved my hands as well as other parts numerous times in my career. It is such critical advice.
On the enginerding point: if the point is to compare all the ratchets then as long you maintain the same hold location for each test wouldn't it be irrelevant where the point is. While it's true that it would not simulate the true force in everyday use, it maintains internal consistency. If you change the test jig now your results will no longer be comparable between the different types of ratchets.
Robert Pullman very true...
I agree in testing you want to take out every possible variable to test just what you need to test by changing anything all tests prior are now different. Keep the bolt where it is or at least do a proof of concept on a similar test you did already to see the 10% difference.
You also have to take into account the flexibility of the ratchet shaft.
You should also test a couple of the cheap wrenches using the current test jig, and a new test jig with the hold location moved. That should tell you how close your 10% estimate is, or whether there's a difference at all. The proof in the pudding and so on.
It doesn't conserve the second plane, which is all the moments in the screw shaft thing
"Pay attention to what you might hit when you're pulling." Lol I've been in more than a couple of scraps in my life and by far the hardest I've been punched in the face was by me when a pair of ViseGrips slipped.
vice-grips should never be used for anything but welding for that exact reason lol
There's something unnerving about this setup that makes me squint at my screen... that tension, I love it
torsion and compression, actually
What kinda brand do I use? "what ever the fuck was on sale!" brand. Haha.
AvE, I think your test is probably more accurate than you may think. To be able to place that much force on the ratchet to begin with, the 500 pound gorilla on the end of that handle would have to be using a cheater pipe anyway. That cheater pipe would more than likely be placed just about where the bolt stop is. So to me anyway, your test is more real world accurate the way you have it. Okay, just hand me the dunce cap and point me towards the corner you want me to stand in.
Excellent point! Thank you!
The cheater would have two points of contact, an inner one giving a downwards force and an outer one forcing upwards.
Not smart enough to figure out the resulting bending moments though.
I was thinking the same thing. I have only seen ratchets fail with cheater pipes used.
Should distribute the bending moment (average it vs. first, second contact). I think it zeroes out.
doing work experience in school i managed to mangle teeth on two snap on ratchets without a cheater. both times it was the ratchet that the tech handed me so no harm no foul
God I’m so glad I found this channel at midnight on a Thursday! I fucking love it! The humor, the technical knowledge, and the science behind it. Well rounded, keep up the good work my man!
It has been about 14 years since my statics classes from when I was getting my mechanical engineering degree. It was so nice to hear the 2nd half of the video. The threw me right back into the classroom. I never got a job doing ME but I sure loved it when I was studying. Thank you!
Just being nosey here. What did you end up doing?
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11:30 - you’re also paying for a smaller head so it fits where other units won’t. When you can’t even fit a tool in to service something, the one the fits proves it’s worth immediately. Of course if it breaks the first time you use it, you also learn a valuable lesson.
Anybody who can make it entertaining to watch the needle go up on an air pressure gage is really good at making vijeos. AvE, I salute thee.
I thought it is an hydraulic press?
It is measuring hydraulic pressure.
I'm pretty sure the pneumatics is powering the hydraulic pump to run the wrench/tool.
Running air or gas pressure at such high pressure is incredibly dangerous, compared to a fluid. Fluid is virtually incompressible, unlike gas, which acts as a spring and stores the energy, which is all released in one big fucking bang if everything goes tits up. Where as a fluid being virtually incompressible does not act as a spring hence it stores far far less energy, and on bursting the small amount of stored energy is instantly gone.
Even though hydraulics almost invariably use much higher pressures, compressed gasses are way WAY more hazardous.
When pressure testing boilers, receivers or pressure vessels for their tickets it is done with water or a fluid in case of any failure. Pressurised with a gas it is essentially a bomb. The gas finds the weakest point and when it goes it tends to go in one massive catastrophic bang. Pressurised fluid tend to weep or squirt out and not go off like a bomb.
@@rationalmartian:
You must mean, "liquid"; in engineering, gases are also "fluids"!
As a Mechanical Engineer, I really appreciate the more in depth detail into the bending moment and shear stresses. I wonder how many viewers just go "duh, yup. numbers." and even comprehend the scale of the numbers mentioned.
thanks again for another great video and taking the time to test the gut feeling that people have at the check-out in Harbor Freight or Sears buying tools. I still reach for my snap-on over craftsman stuff though.
I knew your stationary bolt was way too close from the other video but I could never explain it like you do...great job! I love your thought process and the way you do what you do!
This video right here is why I subscribe. You do the test, you take the feedback, and you admit when someone should have told you it was wrong sooner. Can't ask for more than that from a youtuber!
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Banjalukajemojgrad. You got me that shit was good.
Fucking amazing, my friend. Thanks for the laugh.
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A classic was hatched !
But you still got your moneys worth didn't you?
Thank you for making this video!! Our plant closed last year and I have missed the technical work that I enjoyed so much for 41 years. I was a production floor and process engineer and loved missing lunch, dinner and sleep trying to solve a problem. I have subscribed!! Thank you, Richard.
As a mechanical engineering student these videos are so awesome. I'm taking two different materials courses right now and seeing how real tools fail is very cool. Especially hearing you use actual terminology like Ultimate Strength and Yield Strength. Thanks for the vijayoes AvE, you're awesome.
After finding your channel recently I can't express enough how excited I am to watch the rest of your videos. Truly inspiring and comedic
That Husky fine-o with the black coating is not long for this earth. Can't wait. Cheers.
Wanted to drop a bomb and say how much I appreciate your videos/sense of humor/ and sincere vocabulary. I’m an industrial engineering major so much of these static examples are applied to problems I work on in school. So thanks for the good content, carry on!
"If you look at this rachet the wrong way, it'll change direction."
-AvE 2017
Your colorful language is more dynamic than the tools you are testing. Love your comments of asking wife how much difference 2-1/2 inch makes!
"Before you put a tool to fastener, you have to think to yourself - What happens if this breaks!?" Good safety tip Egon.
I've had this same husky ratchet for 17 years. Used it as a hammer, prybar, etc. Well abused, and it works flawlessly still. Will be buying more!
Jesus AvE! Keep it down! I got my wife convinced there's no such thing as another 2.5 inches! Christ man, gonna have to watch you with headphones on from now on.
thank you, I needed that kind of chuckle.....
2 inches is the difference between ooooooh and ahhhhhhhhh
HAHA!
Glad to see people still use their brains in this world. Excellent setup and fun to watch you work
AVE keep up the good work. You teach this shit better than they do in the public school system. Love the videos
MT Guy even the private school systems don’t teach it this well. That’s coming from experience.
Literally the best reviews ever, as a technician in the automotive industry it's nice to see what tools actually hold up to the test. I would like to know your background and where you've gained your knowledge, make a video on it!
I can't afford to send my kids to college but I can afford to send my snap on guys kids
Sticky Icky n
OMG you sound like my Father for real. When I said "Hey dad the gov won't give me financial aid because you are a Tool and Die guy with nice income. They are saying you need to pitch in or I get nothing." Meanwhile he has 5 of every damn tool Snap-On and 5 huge ass Snap-On boxes worth more than the entire college education haahaha. Totally fkd up.
tools are a very personal thing... one day you will understand
bird718 so is a child
Sticky Icky I think you voided your warranty.
I found this channel by accident a few months ago and by far its my favourite granted some of the content goes in one ear and through to the other! But overall it's bloody awesome!
Das Boot clip had me laughing my ass off lol
I giggled editing it in.
Being an old rusty agri engineer. Your stuff is great makes me wanta put my hard hat back on. Thanks.
Keeping my attention for over twenty minutes in today’s day an age is amazing. Addendum was awesome
"Technical literacy seems to be on the decline, especially in youtube comments." That is the understatement of the year AvE!!!
Thank you when I did a video like this I got a lot of controversy over it
I broke a snap on f80... keep up the good videos
Love the safety piece as I tend to shear off bolts and knuckles. I definitely take a different approach now. Thanks.
Please stop talking to my wife.
For your advice, starting at 10:26, among other things, this video is golden!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and insight.
It would seem to me that as long as all tests are done the same, they should give reliable, comparable results. No off-camera bouncing at the end of a 10 foot pipe... I love you Uncle Fumblebuck.
My off camera bouncing is none of your business!
Geoff C. Everyone always thinks there's some off-camera Hocus Pocus happening
Not off-camera in many cases
Is that the "AvE After Dark" premium channel?
+AvE It better be Auntie Fumblebuck's that's getting the business thought!
You gotta say...'what happens when this breaks?'.....I loved it....showed me you were a GENUINE working mechanic.....and paid the price a time or 2 before you learned THAT particular rule....and there are LOTS of them.
Take care buddy and cheers from Canada North where knuckles get buggered from time to time despite good planning
P.S. The BEST ratchet I ever had was a Hazet......no warranty but typical German quality....was a VW mechanic then......damn sure a Hazet would go near-off the scale
Despite this I had almost COMPLETELY Snatch-on....and the main reason....in those days it was 100% warranty...NO QUESTIONS and the guy came to the garage every week ( in a big dealership ) or every 2 weeks at a smaller dealership.......and THAT is why we bought Snatch-on....NOT the quality...true this
P{.P.S...subscribed because I like you no-BS way of expressing yourself....I'll be disappointed if you aren't Canadian...but the shot of the worn ratchet showing an old CTC logo said it all
Love that you have a protective case for your McMaster-Carr catalog.
From a fellow Canuck. I was having Das Boot flash backs and then so did you! Amazing and as always completely informative and entertaining. Thanks for your time it's appreciated
I think one of the distinctions to make with snap on and other high end tools, is that despite taking a bit less torque: The teeth are much finer and your minimum ratcheting angle is less than something coarse
Man, this blog is simply ultimate factual knowledge, I really hope such topics develope. Thank you
LMFAO- when AvE pinns a comment.... it's like that tethered goat in jurassic park... anywho... I just wanted to say the bit at the end was my favorite part. Thanks for taking the time to answer questions... and giving us the opportunity to dismantle any snobby critics.
Hey dude, it's nice to see that you're open to new information and admitting when you messed something up. I've been watching and subscribed for several months now and I really like what you do. Keep up the good work.
Once my sister's boyfriend tried to help me work on the brakes on my old Chrysler. He was pulling a ratchet when it slipped and he smacked himself in the forehead. Of course, he then sprung back and smacked the back of his head on the fender well. Just about knocked himself out.
😱 😲 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
John Gassmann not a good looking prospect for the future genetics in that branch of your family tree, huh?
Nice video AVE... I discovered your channel a few months ago and have caught up on all your videos... I have learned so much from your tool teardowns... Thanks
Someone on the Internet admitting to error in their process? HERESY I SAY! lol
The one feature I really like about the round head ratchets is, you can grab the back and turn/manual lock the socket. It's awesome for the bolts that are too loose for the wrench but too tight for your fingers.
Not sure if you are still checking this vijayo but you can't just add stresses like that if they aren't in the same direction. For an isotropic material (such as steel), there are 6 different stresses: 3 normal stresses and 3 shear stresses in different diretions. The bending creates a normal stress and the shear and torque create shear stresses, but in different directions. One of the most common ways to get the "total" amount of stress is by calculating the von Mises equivalent stress.
learned the "defensive driving" principles working in a machine shop. Think ahead, think physics to avoid injuries, and ALWAYS, know where your digits are if you wanna keep em. Good vidjayo.
I just bought some cold weather overalls made in Canada. They are super nice, but for $300 they should be. I am that guy driving around Denver with my windows down when it's -6 F out, with a windchill of -40.
What brand?
Fantastic vijayo AvE, my good man. Even behind the safety of my computer screen, I was physically wincing when the first snap-on was headed for 3000psi!
The Snap on guy. Otherwise known as "the tool pimp"
Fireship1 Fucks ya every single time...damn that guy! ...but I really need him to come back to the shop soon...I’m in need of some things...
would you like to buy a tool chest that is poorer quality than harbor freight at 10x the price?
seriously...me an my buddy just bought the same 56" chests... only his was snapon… I bought a 30.00 snapon chrome badge.... he has more chassis flex pulling the box than my HF... and mine is heavier with more tools. you shouldn't be able to bend the sheet metal pulling on something! it should have a frame!!!!!
pretty much the case..
We called the Snap On guy... Rip Off...
@@mikhail9607 by things you mean penis? lol 😜
There will be ppl allways complaining about this or that, 99% of them have probably NEVER even heard of STATICS let alone took a class. I have, and you are doing a brilliant job making it a HELL of alot funner then it was in college!
So many vidjeos recently!
it's awesome!
And prolly lucrative...which is fine.
This setup is keeping "in plane" more consistently than a human at peak effort. Another vote for keeping it the same for the next batch of sockets, for all the reasons others mentioned
Appreciate the end 'peer review' bit, too :) Well said.
I appreciate the peer review too!
Your the best AVE. Thanks for all you do. Just some guys hanging in the shop. At Least we can watch Hockey players stand and respect their country.
Nice. Das boot. I was rooting for the chinesium so all the snap on fanboys would rabidly attack you below.
At first I thought the meter was from Natl Lampoon Xmas Vacation when Chevy plugged in the lights.
I did a gearwrench vs a snap on video you might like that also
I'm here regarding the Das Boot reference as well. I safety squinted the whole movie. Worth a watch.
My dad did 30 years in the submarine service. He retired as Captain of a boomer. I met some of the WWII guys. By the end of the war, subs were a death sentence. Brave young men many on eternal patrol.
And he used to do a lot of NATO exercises with the canucks out of Halifax. He said they were funny as hell. Saw a couple.of junior officers moon an admiral.
Keep up the great service you provide. People this man is providing a free education. What we do is a lost art and it pays very well. !!!!
To add to your addendum, in every day use my Mastercraps have always failed when the overall slop in the ratchet mechanism increases to a point where the pall and the gear just slip past each other. This happens with continuous use but is aggravated when I can't apply force in the same plane as the fastener, either pulling up or pushing down on the handle as well as torquing the fastener.
Better ratchets usually fail when I leave them unattended and they grow legs and walk away.
We use all crap-on ratchets and tools in our shop, and I can tell you the same thing happens to them, and they never want to replace them! So then I have to go steal some other poor sap's ratchet.
Two force members! Statics was fun in college I never went on to take the corresponding dynamics class, so i'll keep checking back to see what more shenanigans you're up to. So keep up the good work/fun!
It would be interesting to see how these wrenches compare to their Germanic counterparts (stahlwille, gedore etc.).
@WolraadWoltemade 1652 gedore is made in india..
Try Hazet. It is still forged.
And britool of the past
Not really
i love stahlwille
Good to see you addressed the feed back from the viewers! I was losing sleep over the crescent wrench test
"units that haven't gone to the moon"
Actually, NASA used SI during the moon landing, although they reported everything in English, most of it was done in SI.
and the Russians, India and Chinese have all sent orbiters to the moon and I expect they were SI.
Yet the calculations neil armstrong made on the wall of the command capsule are in english. Not like he had time to convert while hurtling in on reentry. So akchuallly... come up with some other bs
@@yootoobactnameyoo5221 Why is it BS? Everyone else except the UK and US are domestically metric. They only use imperial for existing products and for some exports when specified imperial. In electronics the sizes of components are usually imperial but connectors etc are now getting as common, if not more in metric footprints.
@@ianmontgomery7534 UK are metric for 90% of things
@@coedlan Except for road signs and temperatures I think which are probably the things i would use most if I visited there.
Good work on being able to go back and recognize the extra force from the offset created by the handle!
You've probably forgotten more than I'll ever learn about engineering. Love the vids, and your attitude! Thx.
Great advice for safe tool use! Many thanks!! The testing is great but the pro tips are the best part. Where were you when I was thrashing the hell out of my knuckles trying to get the valve cover off a VW engine? Every. Damn. Time.
When you refer to metric as "units that haven't gone to the moon"
You should refer to barbarian units as "units that crashed a probe on mars"
It would be funny AF
I agree about adjusting the distance from the head to the moment. Increasing the distance along the shaft will allow for less torque applied to the head. Therefore shortening that distance will ensure less torque is lost through the total overall length between the head and the moment.
People don't half get butthurt about vidjeos like this. You don't have to believe everything that you're told is gospel! Its information, take it for what it is. The guy's doing some of the good legwork for you; add it to the pile, question it, find more information, add that to the pile and draw your own conclusions.
Pq
Word.
jthescruff very well put! And a great way to look at life!
Conclusion: I now have piles.
Man, lots of respect for beating up your old tools like that for science. When I've got tools I use enough to put that much patina and battle scars I could never ever bring myself to do this to them. Thanks, but man... hard to watch, those were some brave soldiers.
Love the 'Das Boot' inclusion! Perfect timing!
You’re a new find for me. Loving the banter. And the wisdom. Mostly the banter. :)
Thanks for adding the torque in science units for us Europeans.
Which science units is that" CGS or MKS?
since we are doing mechanical engineering here and not theoretical physics, I would say MKS.
Convieniently the torque numbers are also equivalent to the ft lbs values if we use kg m^2 s^-2 as science unit ;-)
Hellsslave666 I had never heard of Science Units until today. Just ft-lbs. and Neuton Meters...
What you failed to mention; you get comparable results with this setup. Very comparable, clean results. Well, as clean as you can get... And that's what matter the most. And what I care about, not if this test is comparable to real-life tool handling. It's a comparison of tool, not a comparison of test-result-to-real-life...
And that's what many people don't seem to understand in regard to a lot of things, like consumption figures in the automobile industry. No, they can't be fully compared to real-life situation. But they can be compared to each other. And that's the reason clever guys figure out test cycles - it's the ONLY way to comparable figures... Keep on doing what you do, it's awesome!
I have broken many SnapOn ratchets during my time in Marine aviation. They always fail in the gearing not the drive square. EVERY time.
This is a deliberate feature. If the anvil was the failure point there’s a chance of losing sockets, so they design them to fail in a manner that results in no parts falling off
Have the Crappy Tire one. 3/8 and half inch. Thirty years, haven't broken them yet. Hammers have been involved. Extender bars too. Bought in a big "Good/Better/Best" kit. Wish the plastic hinges of the case held up longer than a day.
skookum or not skookum, that is the question
“...and that’s 1,500 pssss pzzzzzz.”
Rolling on the floor. Love your style, sir.
Language barriers be damned, I kinda want to have a Taiwan Beer (seriously, thats the brand) with the guys that make shitty ratchets. I bet they've got some stories.
One of my buddies spends half his time in Taiwan overseeing production. I keep thinking I should take a vacation and go visit.
This is why I love your channel. Always learn something new.
I found the problem. You left the Snap-On ratchets turned off during the test. I haven't read the instructions, but I believe they need to be turned on before use.
I tell the apprentices to make sure they turn them off at the end of the day or the battery will be flat the next morning. unnerving how many believe me.
AND with fresh Alkaline batteries none of that Li Ion crap.
Plus ya gotta prime ‘em!
Had me gutted from the beginning! "I ain't the only thing in the shop with thick gear." Priceless!
Wait a sec -- wouldn't the bending stress you brought up at the end of the video be the same at the tool's drive even if you moved the bolt further out? If we call the drive axis X and the length of the handle to be running parallel to the Y axis, then you're saying it's the bending stress about the Y axis that you didn't factor at first. But since moving the point loading further down the handle doesn't change the moment arm any distance from the Y axis, that shouldn't change the bending stress about the Y axis at the drive. Sigma = Moment * distance from neutral axis / 2nd moment of inertia.
Hey, engineering is about making mistakes, recognizing them, and recovering. If everything got done right the first time kindergartners would be putting each other on the moon with old shopping carts and refrigerator boxes. This is one of your best vids, and I watch them all. Reminds me this field can be fun as hell. Cheers.
This test only covers situations where you decide to put a few cycles of extremely high torque on the ratchet (using a cheater bar). Under normal use, it's more likely the internals will wear out - this is where the quality of the metal used for the gear and pawl matters.
This is exactly what all of the RUclips tool testers miss and don't understand. The steel Snap On uses for their ratchets is either Chrome Boron or Chrome Nickel Molybdenum Boron. It's harder than the Chrome Vanadium used in the import tools. So while it may break around the same point due to the hardness, it will also wear much better, will last longer without wearing out. I've been on automotive production lines where Snap On sockets are in use. Some of those sockets will torque ten thousand fasteners a day, every day, six days a week. This is what all the armchair tool "experts" will never understand. The Snap On ratchet used in this video is likely over 50 years old. If used as intended I've never had one break.
Love the Das Boot reference - this is pure entertainment. NEVER STOP MAKING THESE VIDEOS. :-)
I like my ratchets like I like my women: Thick and stronger than me
Stefan Agnew amen
I'll introduce you to the wife
Stefan Agnew: You're a fan of American made then? :)
Cold and lifeless
When i can understand what you are talking about, i actually find you quite funny!
To mk pa the tools aren't beat up the new is just wore off what you think they're supposed to look like when you actually use the shit
"Thanks for sticking with me" Thanks for posting the VDJOs! Even if I do understand why you're breaking tools, I still cringe every time one breaks. Good advice on the positioning of the tool if it breaks, will remember that one.
Also, I was always taught never to use a ratchet to undo something (at least initially) as you don't know how tight it's going to be. Trying to find a decent 3/8" T bar longer than 6" seems to be impossible in the UK (even Fapp-off or their blue line) so suggestions on where I can get one (UK, 'Murica or Kanuckystan) appreciated
I know when yanking on my handle, that a bit of twisting action helps alot. Well it certainly lossens my nuts. So i say its a fair test ;o)
This is my new FAVORITE show! Hot cup of cofeffe in hand, I'm ready for another episode.
Little known fact, this test is where "snap"-on originally got its name.
I love the safety messages - seriously, always helpful hints.
I have both styles snap on ratchet and a few others, over the years of daily beating the snapon always seem to have a smoother action, the cheaper ratchets, over time, will start skipping on the pawl resulting in knuckle damage the snap on just seem more dependable (fine and coarse tooth). i dont mind if a 3/8ths ratchet will sheer at 200+ft/lb cause thats where I use a 3/8 cheater bar or use a 1/2" ratchet. I dont think the videos a dig at snap on, its just plain interesting.., a lighter, slighter pawl (i.e. a much nicer to use ratchet) will be weaker than a heavily sprung clunky pawl mechanism. Curious to see how the fine tooth ratchets do :)