The seatbelt argument is the same line of thinking people seem to apply to masks. Regardless of whether or not they think it’s helpful, they won’t do it because someone told them to. It’s so weird to me.
I’m guessing the people who are anti mask feel about masks the same way I feel about waiters telling me to not touch my plate because it’s hot, like I wasn’t going to touch my plate but now that you told me not to I must however that only hurts me in the end, not wearing a mask is a public health hazard and could end up hurting others
I feel like a lot of the same people who dislike seatbelts also won't wear masks, and I can kinda admire the consistency. In order to function in this world we have to have some beliefs (absolute or with doubts) --whether in institutions, people, philosophies, or gods. I think these people have just have a worldview that fundamentally relies on different beliefs of freedom, truth and what gives life meaning. Arguably, life has no meaning if we give it none. And perhaps without complete freedom (whatever that may be) there can be no meaning. I'm not sure if they necessarily want a better life or a more complete one, but regardless of how BS their claims, the logic in this regard doesn't seem itself flawed or hypocritical. Mind you, I'm fine with some restrictions (and would like to see them enforced on everybody), but I think that's just my personal beliefs on putting people above abstractions most days of the week. PS, if anyone has any feedback on what I just said, I'd love to hear it. I think I've been going down some RUclips rabbit holes and could use some help getting out.
I honestly didn’t even know the seatbelt thing was a common argument until now. I thought it was just my grandpa, and he always pisses me off whenever it comes up. Even though he’s been in several car accidents, and one of which notably injured him severely, causes chronic and severe pain, and made him have to retire on disability. 🤦♀️ I will never understand the logic.
Some ancient astronomers used to think there was a hidden planet between Venus and Mercury called vulcan that caused their orbits to be elliptical. Now we know that’s just how gravity and orbits work
The orbits of Mercury and Venus are between the Earth and the sun. The planets themselves very rarely are. You might expect Mercury, which orbits the sun once every 88 days, to pass between the earth and the sun once every orbit but the orbit of Mercury is inclined slightly compared to the orbit of Earth so they only line up around 13 or 14 times per century. When this happens (called a transit of Mercury), you can see the mercury passing across the disk of the Sun (but do not look directly into the sun). Transits of Venus are even rarer, they happen less than once per century. In general objects closer to the sun have to move faster to remain in orbit, so they can't stay constantly between the earth and the sun. But there is a special point called a Lagrange point (or L1) where the gravitational pull from the earth "balances" the gravitational pull from the sun and an object at that point would orbit at same angular speed as the earth. Unfortunately this orbit is not stable, so you don't find natural objects there. There are a few man made satellites at the L1 point but they are only a few metres across and 1.5 million kilometres away so the biggest telescopes on earth could barely see them. Since orbits at the L1 point are unstable, the satellites have to use thrusters to adjust their orbits to stay in position. I'm not sure how much rocket fuel you'd need to keep an entire planet in orbit at that spot but I'm guessing it's a lot...
@@overloookable Not ancient astronomers, nor between Venus and Mercury. After the discovery of Neptune which was perturbing Uranus' orbit , astronomers assumed that Mercury's discrepancies in its orbit must be due to a planet even closer to the Sun which they called Vulcan. They thought it had not been discovered, being so close to the Sun that the Sun's brightness obscured it. Einstein's general theory of relativity killed the idea of Vulcan.
@@williammeek4078 Where is the data on that? There are so many variables, you can't just say that more black people in jail = more uneven enforcement. Disparate outcomes do not prove disparate intent. I'm against the War on Drugs too, my only point in making that comment is that someone was saying we need seatbelt laws to protect people from themselves but the same people likely oppose the War on Drugs. My point is stop with the nanny state. I'll say this to the seatbelt law proponents on the left as well as the anti-drug crowd on the right just as equally.
I was outside recently and my neighbours were talking. One said ‘I’ve always carried an organ donor card, but they’re going to make it compulsory, so I’m not going to do it anymore.' I thought, wow, so it was never about the potential to save someone’s life, it was just about thinking you were better than other people, and now it doesn’t make you better than other people, so you won’t do it.
I mean... if it's mandatory, I'd stop carrying the card too. Wallet space is tight and if everyone's doing it, carrying it is more a vanity statement like "Oh I was planning on donating my organs before it was cool"
@@thelegendarypandicorn1777 it’s not about carrying the card, that’s just a figure of speech. The point was he would no longer agree to organ donation because the 'man' had made it compulsory.
@@danpreston564 That's a lot of information to pick up from a neighbor saying "I’ve always carried an organ donor card, but they’re going to make it compulsory, so I’m not going to do it anymore". How much were you listening in on your neighbors?
It's more about the principle, I don't like the idea that the state has a default claim on my organs: it has unfortunate implications (looking at you China). My organs belong to me and I'll do what I like with them. Now excuse me while I drink this gallon of Whiskey and smoke this carton.
You hit the nail on the head with the whole “I believe a conspiracy theory and thus I am smarter because I know something you don’t and am not a sheep for the mass media and the government” thing and I think it is a critical point that not enough people talk about.
I consider myself a skeptic of skeptics. I see the world and take it as it is. No secret world government or evil plots hidden in the depths. (Like bad things are happening, but it's not nearly as secret as people things) I may not be right about everything, but the nice thing is it doesn't matter as much.
@@speedy01247 it’s oxymoronic because on one hand they believe that there’s all these deep state conspiracies to take over the world, while at the same time believing all politicians are incompetent and useless...
No, they obviously get radicalised with raising things to power! campuses should deal with these square students, need to reduce factors that contributed to the decimation of others exponential potential
Man, if I had a dollar for every time I asked for a source, and got linked to a RUclips video that used the word "Sheeple," I'd be rich enough to drink the blood of children too.
@Rukoshii No because my dad literally posts that shit and there's a "fact checkers have determined the information in this post to be false: see why" at the bottom of almost every single one
My uncle is becoming anti vaccine (he never used to be), which is funny as both his wife and 2 children work in the NHS (national health service for those not from the UK). His “sources” are random websites and professors - they do exist but they are opinions, not studies. It’s scary how common this is getting.
My parents always refused to talk about politics around me when I was younger because they were adamant that I formed my own opinions. I live in a pretty diverse area so I went to school with and became friends with people across the political spectrum, and I remember at lunch we would always have in depth discussions about certain topics. They never really got heated and none of us got angry, we just shared our opinions and moved on. I didn't fully develop the skills I needed to think critically about these issues until the end of high school and my views have changed since then, but I think having these conversations was a good first step for me and I feel lucky to have had that experience. tldr: It's important to talk to people you disagree with, as long as you're willing to listen to each other
Love this! Totally agree, and I had the same from my parents, I think its great x
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My parents tried it but we did talk about politics when I was in highschool, they never told me who they voted for until then tho (there are about 5 major parties in my country)
I got OK upbringing: my atheist dad took me a communist youth club when I was ten (get them young) and my mum took me to a Sunday school from eight years. In high school I had fierce political arguments either Social Democrats and Conservatives and at Communist Party committee meetings with the "old hands", arguments about the right to believe - or not to believe - without being harassed; with my dad about meat eating vs veganism. When I say argued, I mean debated: there was never any ill feelings or grudge afterwards. But when I was a kid, web browser with easy to type URLs and WiFi weren't invented yet: Internet was only for the military and select few university boffins, white text against black or green via VERY slow telephone lines and modem that couldn't cope with sound.... We all had the same the same national papers delivered and an additional one according to political leaning and we had only few TV and radio channels to choose from, all striving to present the news with a neutral tone: it was practically impossible to stay in a bubble for any length of time, likewise left wing, right wing or religious radicalisation was uncommon.
It wasn’t till I was an adult that I found out my dad was registered with a particular political party - and to this day there’s really only a very small handful of times that I’ve ever overheard him discussing politics - and me and him only ever had one very brief conversation about politics and that was only brought on because of the crazy-ness that was the 2016 election.
But how do you listen and talk to someone who thinks that there is a hidden planet behind chem trails ? I am at a loss here, a loss for words that is. Am I closed minded because I don't really want to talk to people who believe such stories ? Vicarious shame is real. Hearing this story on youtube already makes me cringe ? Can you imagine in real life ? Someone that I would know ? I would think they are ready to be admitted into a psychiatric hospital. I wouldn't even know where to start having a conversation about this.
I relate to this so much. I grew up in a conservative house and didn’t even realize how having Fox News on in the living room formed my opinions for me. Once I moved out, traveled, and met people outside my bubble, everything flipped. It’s now so hard for me to go home to family without going insane listening to all the new conspiracy theories. Beyond glad I got away and that others share similar experiences to me.
Oh my god, I relate SO MUCH. Except my family doesn't watch Fox News which is rather bearable and civilised. They watch Russian propagandist channels which are, and I don't exaggerate one bit, WORSE than North Korean propaganda.
It is so insane how there are different routes people in your situation (or one similar) will go. I had a friend who grew up with fox news every single night, was never exposed to diversity and hearing other people's experiences, and it hasn't caused her to self reflect on her ideologies. On the other hand I was raised by a lib gone conservative mother who blamed our poorness and suffering on other poor people. I've traveled, met people from all walks of life, took sociology and polisci classes in college, and now my mom believes I'm a "radical leftist" just because I started questioning the rhetoric she would use to speak about social issues. It's terribly sad that it really is as easy as "getting out of your bubble" and experiencing life from a different perspective. It makes your whole world shift if you do a lot less talking and a lot more listening.
This video is great - I really like the acknowledgement that our beliefs, political or otherwise, SHOULD change and evolve as we get older and gain a different perspective on the world. It doesn't mean that our previous beliefs/opinions were necessarily wrong, but that our experiences will shape us, and our priorities will shift. I think there's a lot of expectation that people should know exactly who they are and what is "right" as soon as they are adults, but you change hugely over time, especially in your late teens/early twenties. For me now at 25, I would hugely disagree with myself at 18 on so many topics. That doesn't make my 18 self an idiot, or a bad person, just young, and without much exposure to the world beyond my home town and social circle.
I know someone (an adult) who brought this up recently w me while explaining why he doesn't like that masks are mandated. It's so weird because this person isn't one of those people who thinks covid is all a hoax, he's extremely cautious of it and does a lot more to protect his family than most are doing (and I'm pretty sure he wears his seatbelt too), he just hates the government telling him what to do and thinks it should be up to everyone to protect their individual safety how they choose.
IIRC seatbelts had strong opposion right from the start, (even before the laws; which is why they were needed) as have many other safety features. It's not necessarily political either. Many people seem to value "this is how it has always been, and I'm ok so far" over (what is percieved as) an inconvenience, even though it demonstrably improves safety. Same thing often applies to any kind of change. There seems to be a general perception that the population, as a whole, is incredibly gulible. But some studies have shown that not only are many overly cynical, but that this can also be at least as harmful. Makes you think, doesn't it? (At least, I hope so.)
It's a psychological phenomenon called reactance. When someone tells you to do something, you're more likely to rebel against doing that thing than if you thought you decided to do it on your own. And plenty of people who don't realize they're doing that will often rationalize their behavior by deciding that everyone would do the right thing on their own if "the government" didn't force them to do it.
It's an aspect of behavior that is more common with conservative mindsets, "don't tell me what to do." Now, just about everyone has this to some degree or another, none of us like being told to do something we'd rather not, but for some people this attitude becomes quite strong, to the point of immediate contrarianism no matter what they are told to do or how good it would be for them. They have an innate inability to accept command from outside of themselves, though there is a weird hypocrisy which often comes with it of following strong authority figures as long as that authority figure is blaming someone else for whatever bad stuff is going on. Hence why 70 million+ Americans voted for Trump.
@@saschabeth1852 i hope he knows that masks don’t protect the wearer; they protect others from the wearer. masks filter what you breathe out, not what you breathe in. you are not safe in a crowd if you are wearing masks and no one else is.
YES. I feel this 100% I was raised in a conservative home and heard a lot of "exclusive knowledge" that the "corrupt media" wasn't going to share. I see the same kind of communication pattern happen in problematic churches too. There's a religious rhetoric that makes it really easy to disbelieve or worse, pity, the other side. Thanks for being willing to share your experience and shift in thinking on the internet. You're def not alone!
you might wanna try their own phrases on them... like when they drop racist/mysogenist/homophobe remarks say "brother I see you don't love your neighbour as is commanded in scripture. I will pray for you." their faces!! xD
It's interesting that this conversation is only being entertained now, yet similar sophistry has long characterized more mainstream conspiracy theories; to be blunt, the number of times I've been told by someone who believes in "patriarchy" to "educate myself" is definitely on par with anti-vaxers and other right-wing conspiracies that have appeared over the years.
The funny thing is that I did that. I got a bit concerned about some of the antivaxx stuff that was going around about 11 years ago. The kind of reasonable middle ground stuff like delayed schedules and such. So I went and did my research. And found that they were all full of shit and then went and got my kids vaccinated. Talk about a backfire. I actually researched. I read papers on viral loads and adjuvants and all sorts but I got them from actual peer reviewed journals.
@@lancewalker2595 the patriarchy isn't a conspiracy theory, it's a term invented to describe our patriarchial society. Which IS patriarchal, that's why we take the father's name and not the mother's, and why women were second-class citizens for so many years. Honestly, if you think it's a conspiracy theory you SHOULD educate yourself.
@@geministargazer9830 The reason children take the father's name is to give the father an explicit relation to his offspring, it is to establish a more equal relation between men, women and their shared offspring. Contrary to popular belief, men actually want and need families just as much as women do.
Trust me, that's nothing! I've put it in my comment, but go watch CoolHardLogic's World of Batshit series. And his geocentrism, flat Earth, homeopathy... Just watch him.
@@BeingTheHunt don't forget "girls go to college to get more knowledge, boys go to Jupiter to get more stupider". The irony being that "more stupider" is incorrect to say in English. Oh and the genders obviously switch depending on who's singing the song. There was also a version where the girls went to "Mars to get more Mars Bars", which annoyed me as it didn't flow well, and so I changed it to "girls go to Mars to get more bars" as in they own bars so they make money as opposed to the boys becoming stupid on Jupiter 😂. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure I wasn't the biggest fan of Mars Bars when I was in P6, so that might've had something to do with it too...
Funny how the claims you bring up from like 2009 are still things I hear word for word from my conservative parents. it’s such an echo chamber that never progresses
I don't know that it never progresses: The satanic child-blood drinking, adrenaline harvesting cult thing seems to be a pretty recent development. Not sure if we can exactly call that progress, but the fact that so many in the echo chamber do seem to believe it sounds genuinely terrifying to me. Once you view the people on the other side of the debate as child molesting murderers, they are no longer human to you and anything and everything you might do to "stop them" is justified in your eyes. That's what scares me.
I mean if conservatives changed their opinions, they wouldn't be conservative anymore. They would be progressive and they can't have that now can they lol
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUU!!! omfg! legit got gaslit the other day by family because I dared to do my own research. was told "I'm being too emotional" "just a millennial" oh and my favorite, "I think you should take a break from who you're watching" I am, it's called critical thinking and research. TRY IT. not playing the game anymore.
It's not just right wing. My eldest brother sounds so alike yet he prides himself on being left wing. But he is so radical left wing. He believes Al Jezera and Russia TV and refuses to beleive they might have a political agenda of their own, no, no, they're the only ones telling the truth. Full of right wing conspiracies and when the people rise up against their oppression. Nobody dares oppose what he says because we're all being fooled. The guff that spills from my brother's mouth, the furiously angry rants at any opinions other than his own. I always wonder if he should of had psychological tests for conditions such as Autism. When I was a child there were angry arguments between my father and brother. When it came to my brothers declarations of "come the revolution..." my father would reply with "come the revolution you'll be the first one I shoot."
Now apply the mask rules for seatbelts and you can see why a person might think masks are stupid. You have to wear your seatbelt unless your eating or drinking you have to wear a seatbelt unless your 6 feet away from a person. You have to wear a seatbelt but it is okay if the seatbelt is made from strings. You have to wear a seatbelt but it is encouraged that you use the same seatbelt and put your mouth on it every time you use it. You have to wear a seatbelt unless your driving to a protest. These double standards are y some people are angry. One less one. You have to wear a seatbelt unless your a politician.
As a Conservative that had this video pop up on their suggestions for some reason, I wholeheartedly agree with you and wish more in the Republican Party, just the right in general really, would call this kind of stuff out. I have definitely had to critically assess and determine why I believe what I do, and in doing that ended up changing my views on several things. I too attribute this to having gotten out of my bubble (the military and hobbies in this case) and being exposed to more beliefs. It's kind of funny, but also sad, that many of the people I grew up with or around (mostly family) would call me a RINO or traitor today if they would even have much of a conversation about it at all.
It's crazy how people go on about "RINO"s now when the people they're calling RINOs are just more traditional conservatives that haven't completely let the internet and other media drive them insane. Aren't they supposed to like tradition?
This kinda reminds me of my Tory parents claiming, extremely confidently, that there are cities and towns in the UK genuinely governed by sharia law. So that's fun.
I can think of one, a small town called Saville Town had at one point two Sharia courts operating in it as the population was 93% Pakistani muslim...very strange place. To say that cities are being controlled by them is stupid, but Muslims do use underground Sharia courts across the country.
@@owenwinn2821 They do but thats the thing, they are "underground" They rely on members of community upholding their peers to pressure in order to have any influence Which makes rising negativity to muslims sad as integration, making people feel they are part of collective of UK and british, is best way of breaking the sharia courts by having them adopt more open british way of life. This is of course an outsiders view but it seems like far right lives in self fullfilling prophecy, they fear others and discriminate them, making them in turn radicalized which just further fuels the far right
@@MrAapasuo They aren't coming here to integrate, they cling to Eastern values and implement them within their communities; letting backwards cultures bastardise our own is why Europe is in an international period of crisis.
@@owenwinn2821 yes small wonder why they wont integrate when people treat them like they never could from beginning you really dont see how that mentality drives these insular cultures do you?
I have to preface this with the fact that I'm libertarian. I agree that your freedom can't take away someone else's but I have only seen people talking about freedom use mask and seat belt laws as examples. Those don't take away other's freedoms. Is there something else you are talking about? If this seems rude, I don't want it to be
@@elir842 heya! Honestly I'm it quiet sure anymore why I specifically answere drhis to this video as it was a little while ago, but I think we might be in the same page here; My argument in regard with the masks is that if it doesn't do you any harm, but it potentially can harm others , I don't agree with you saying it's your ' freedom' that's threatened. Same with vaccinations. Same with seatbelts. By making them mandatory, it protects a majority of the population which, let's be honest, sometimes need common sense 'forced' on them to survive. I'm not quiet sure what you want to say but I'm more than happy to keep this conversation going until we both understand what it is about lol 😅🙂
@@chany6336 I can see vaccines and masks but I don't agree. However, I don't understand seatbelts, they can't protect others cars or even others in the same vehicle
One of the funnier things I’ve experienced was that my parents were like “oh, you’ll get more politically right as you grow older” and I’m sitting here having gone pretty darn consistently left 😅
You probably haven't moved as much as you think....its the parties that have move to the extremes...there used to be a middle ground...a large group from both parties that cooperated and actually got stuff done and moved the country forward...🤷♂️ they are still there...but are far fewer in number...now nothing gets done...I remember when both side could give a little and it wasn't the end of the universe if Democrats and Republicans got something out of a deal. So sad today's political environment.
When it comes to arguing any point to a conspiracy theorists, I have said this before and I'll say it again. Unfortunately arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. At the end of the day it doesn't matter how good you are at chess the pigeon is just going to knock over all the pieces, defecate on the board and then strut around like it won the game.
@@danpreston564 But you sure can argue illogically, you can make them believe in a conspiracy theory that the real aliens are making up all the other conspiracy theories to weaken the planet or something like that, just appeal to their emotions and wishes of hidden knowledge instead of their logic and manipulate them to your wi... i mean correct their incorrect beliefs.
You are absolutely right, its futile trying to discuss anything with these people. Even when you debunk their theory and present them with evidence to prove what they think isn't real, they cling to their belief. Then they usually start calling you names and saying you should think independently 🙄🙈
College probably was where I shifted my thinking too. Just being in a different environment allowed me to look at things from new perspectives and realize I'm not always the center of every problem
"It's definitely safer to wear a seatbelt, but because someone told me to, I'm not going to do it!" Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face...
I was raised deeply conservative, and I use to have some seriously questionable ideas about how the world works. I agree that the bubble effect applies to a large extent, but there's also the issue with how our education system has been warped over the last few decades. Anything requiring creative thinking (art, music, etc.) is considered unnecessary, leaving only the rigidity of the "memorize and regurgitate" model. Having found my way out of that mindset, I've been able to notice that many of the ideas of the right wing are short, easy to remember, and constantly repeated. Memorize and regurgitate, just as they were taught to do. What's correct isn't as important as what feels right, when it comes from someone you trust. Questioning it often doesn't even enter into the equation because it's just the default position for them. Thanks for this video. It's always nice to see others who have learned how to move on from how they were raised. :)
Its sad that the conservatives disencourage education and critical thinking. I have never seen a Trump supporter at my college or Univeristy, it sucks that they are so wraped in their thinking we can't even have academic/intellectual conversations about our nation.
Not to mention, rural red states do not have education on the forefront of their priorities. Most people come from schools that teach curriculum with extremely skewed perspectives of slavery or American Imperialism as just a few random examples.
The Christian Coalition and similar groups targeted school boards back in the 80s to change curriculum and text books. And right wing Libertarian Republican politics cheered the idea of defunding schools. It's all related.
@@adambyrne1201 yea I know. Every country has the issue of cultural insensitivity and forming extremist political echo chambers, but I think it's become most prominent in large countries (USA, Russia, China) because you don't need to leave the country (and the culture) to experience a different geographic environment away from home. Add to that the cost of international flights for water locked countries that can't easily land-travel to other countries and you increase the effect yet again. The United States has done an incredible job at unifying such a large (geographical and population wise) country's culture together it also unintentionally created a larger echo chamber for conspiracy theorists to thrive in. I don't believe there is a solution. Not even government subsidised holidays will really help.
I don't think it needs to be mandatory, but a culture thing. I live in New Zealand - which, realistic, is one of the hardest and most expensive places to travel from, but many people still do because we devolped a culture around it. Often not even for holidays, but for several years in their 20s people will go work overseas. All my cousins have done it for instance, some several times. However, not everyone will be able to afford this, which is its own problem
@@elizabethnahu3422 just as political as cultural - there would need to be visas designed for this like NZ has, and some countries are far too anti-immigration to allow that
A reminder again for americans, being a "liberal" isn't the same as being on the left lol Edit: Please stop telling me about politics in the comments to this lol
Being a liberal doesn't mean you're left wing in America, either. It just means you're not AS far right-wing as the GOP, who are VERY right-wing. The closest thing to the 'left wing' in mainstream American politics are social democrats like Bernie Sanders and AOC, and in most of the rest of the world that's the center, or even center-right.
It makes me sad that my granny believes in crazy conspiracy theories and doesn't believe that climate change exists. It makes me sad that I get angry when she visits us and that I can't just enjoy her company.
Don't talk to her about it. Leave it alone. No point in trying to change very old people's opinions. Getting worked up over it won't help anyone. Just ignore it if she opens up those topics. Laugh it off and let her have her ideas. I've learned that things like that are losing battles, and I just get myself worked up over nothing.
However, these climate activists do greatly exaggerate and love to shout and scream instead of actually doing something to help the planet. Yes, we know the planet's not doing too good, but they're not suggesting anything constructive-- nothing sensible, anyway.
@@Nightwatcher20 Climate activists don't have the power to change our planet. They're shouting and screaming so world leaders who have the power to make changes can hear them.
@@ellacummings4493 but they do have the influence on individual people. They could make a massive difference if they focused on educating people on what lifestyle choices they could make (e.g. recycling, shopping locally, less consumerism etc.), but instead climate activists focus on "solutions" that will only destroy the economy and then the world will end up in chaos... such as endorsing the Green New Deal, which costs an *initial* estimated $93 trillion.
“If it really were the best course of action, people would do it freely” One of those core life lessons that are part of becoming an adult is understanding that this is in no way true 😄 Thank you for this fantastic video to help explain how once perfectly-reasoned people wind up in such dark spaces.
@@mastertrams oh, there’s plenty of adults who haven’t learned their core life lessons - I’m watching a news clip right now about grown people in a small U.S. town literally praying for an end to COVID - while refusing the free vaccine and refusing masks. Pretty much the same sort of lesson from this very video. Hell, I didn’t learn my lessons about properly managing money until I was in my 30s, so even I missed a few until later on.
If there's a rule for it, there's probably a reason. When we went to New Orleans, my mom and step-dad had Bill Engvall playing through the car radio. He was doing his, "Here's your Sign" skit. Perfectly sums up the seatbelt law
I've been keeping tabs on the USA for a very long time. There are some very notable cracks between Americans, with a sizeable proportion of her population divorced from reality, and are belligerent about it.
Well considering that it is officially being debated to use military forces to ensure trumps victory without any Alarm bells ringing that should be concerning. If that doesn’t scream a path towards dictatorship I don’t know what does.
Wow! I have so much respect for you for changing and allowing change. For listening to others and being open enough to not dismiss ideas that went contrary to what you were comfortable with. This was a surprising and very important video. Thanks for that!
@@beatrix1120 Why do you do that when you know it's a terrible idea and makes you sound really dumb? Are you just a really paranoid person who gets panic attacks when someone tells you to do even really simple things, or do you have self-esteem issues that cause you to feel like you need to assert yourself in nonsensical ways just for the sake of being needlessly contradictory? Or is it about trust issues because, for most of your life, you've been surrounded by people who are just really untrustworthy and bad examples in everything to the point where you now instinctively distrust even the most basic things anybody ever says to do? Or are you just one of those people who routinely do stupid things thinking that it will make you look smart just for being different from everyone? Gah, people like you break my brain! I can never figure out which of many things is the real thing that's wrong with you! I know that's a tirade against you, but honestly, this petty stuff for no reason just blows my mind. If you really want to be independent-minded, why can't you just do some simple things right because they are the right things to do, regardless of whether you were told to or not? If you intentionally make every single petty decision in your life the wrong one just to stick it to whoever is telling you the right thing to do, you're still basing every little aspect of your life on someone else's decisions, just in kind of a reverse or negative way. Why not just make the decision yourself based on what the right thing to do is, regardless of who said it, and if it happens to agree with "the man" or whoever you're trying to stick it to, who cares?
@@tracychristenson177 I believe that everyone should have the right to decide for themselves, what risks are acceptable in their day to day life; as long as they're not jeopardizing the health or safety of other people. For example, my brother rides a motorcycle. Motorbikes are about 38 times more lethal than cars. I would never ride one for this reason. I've even told my brother this. But I still don't think I have the the right to force him to stop.
@@tracychristenson177 Because it's not annoying, especially in the summer. If you are just commuting, I don't see why you would wear a helmet. All serious cyclist do of course wear it. But for just riding around at low speed, no, i'll take the extra risk. It's safer, yes, but by that logic you can abolish all extreme sports. Law's to protect other people are OK, laws that protect only yourself are not necessary. I drive a motorcycle, and since a couple of years you have to wear full protective gear when doing so here in belgium. When I was driving around in Italy people where riding along in shorts and T-shirts. That looked so much less stifling and sweaty, It looked so much more fun. I miss the time when I was allowed to do that. Now fireworks are abolished here too. I really liked setting off fireworks. It's like one by one they are taking away things I liked in the name of public health.
@@juliehansen5696 more like Trump actually reduces funding for the USPS right before an election that had massive mail in turnout after making sure his base voted in person in a majoritarian fashion
@@truedarklander except that’s not actually true. I know you want it to be because CNN and the WaPo reported on it like it was but it’s just a silly conspiracy theory. ( I guess my friend isn’t the only one who believes it). Funding for USPS has been set for years and has been decreasing because use has been decreasing as people use web services for. Also, the President doesn’t even have that power. Congress sets the budget.
@@juliehansen5696 You're putting the thumb in the scale by ignoring the fact that the postmaster general is appointed by the president and answers to the president, and he controls where the money goes. Very tiny detail that's hugely important
@@truedarklander but he doesn’t. It has to be approved by Congress. If you believe this silly post office conspiracy, you’re no better than those that believe the election was stolen.
Wearing a seatbelt is actually safer for everyone else, a human hurtling through a windscreen in an accident can actually kill someone else, even if that person was sensible enough to wear a seatbelt. As always, your freedom to be an idiot doesn't trump the safety of others
My anatomy teacher showed the class slides of a crash victim with teeth lodged into the back of their head who was killed because the backseat passenger wasn't wearing a seatbelt.
Yeah, they don't understand that. I'm really tired of living in a red state where people will say they'll fight for their social security, but don't think socialist ideas work.
It can be hare to realise your in an echo chamber if your used to the echoes. Many people won't realise their parroting other people's arguments until they finally meet someone who says no
Yes. I don’t like right echo chambers, but left echo chambers can be terrible as well, I’ve been in both... 😬🙈 I have no idea in which echo chamber I am now...
@AllGuts NoGlory for me it's the right that's more scary. The left echo Chambers a typically limited to the college kids and social media types. Whereas the right ones are actually influencing policy. Weren't there like 3 or so q anon people that got voted In let alone all the people who believe trump won the election.
@AllGuts NoGlory trans people got voted in.. To do what. To serve their community while being trans? You don't see the difference between that and electing people who believe in q anon. Oh which reminds me one of the qanon guys got caught with possession of the porn he was advocating against. Not to mention most charities that focus on kids disavow qanon and sey they are doing more harm than good to what they purportedly care about. But yes a trans politician is equivalent to those people. Hmm trump the separate kids at the border guy. The one who has never had any compunction about jumping from point to point if it meant he came ahead did something self serving? Colour me shocked. Not gonna engage in the immigration debate. If you want there are plenty of pros and cons that can be discussed rationally. Nothing to do with the echo Chambers unless you wanna reach. Damn I mean that's your take away? As long as they look like you, you don't care where they come from but if they look different they don't belong? Thanks for unmasking yourself took only a single comment.
I know of only one echo chamber that is myself, for i still have to encounter someone with the same ideology as me who belives that a utopian ai powered robo-communist global state that micromanages each aspect of each individual lives with the machines being both masters and slaves to humanity run the goverment automatically to maximize happines and human life without a will of their own, eventually the robo comunist government would develop FTL space travel and conquer all the universe for us humans while we relax seeing how all other species in the universe get enslaved. Basically, i want the means of production to own themselves, to own us, to run the government, and to serve us with a space-imperialist agenda.
So, this has made me think a bit. I'm from the UK- so this will all be UK politics based. I've had two really close friends who've been properly conservative (I've also had the same core friend group for like 5 years and most of them are politically apathetic the rest of them are left leaning- like I am) I enjoy political debate and argument and so I've been happy to talk and chat with them. One of them had come from a all boys school, was a member of the conservatives and used to canvas for them. They came to our mixed sixth form, in a more diverse area, where several of the students including close friends were out. We used to have heated political debates and some of them got quite heated. But over the time that we were friends his opinions started changing. Jokes he used to think were funny just became awkward and he stopped making them. I'm not so close any more with uni and life- but when I saw them just after the election they hadn't voted conservative, they'd voted lib dem. They were never going to be fully left wing, but had changed their mind about several things. The other person I was close with who was a conservative I met at uni. We also had a lot of political conversations often they'd bring up various vague sources and if I asked for more detail they'd say they didn't have them to hand. Fair enough. If I bought up a source they wouldn't believe it was real until I bought it up on my phone. I'd send him a link but they said they couldn't be bothered and that I was nagging. Having studied politics at school sometimes I'd bring up political theory and they'd say it wasn't relevant because it only mattered what the public thought. I'd say that doesn't make it true but they'd refuse to listen. The clinching points in that friendship were two things. When we had a debate and got to the nitty gritty of a point and they told me to my face- Human lives don't have intrinsic value. Nothing has value. You only value people's lives because you think you have to. I'm happy for people to die if it makes my life easier. That was such a shift in value system to me. To think Human lives are worthless. The other clinching point is when we argued again and they'd often say things and I'd rephrase them slightly and they'd say 'That's not what I said' - but also never clarify. Again and again and again. This person I stopped being friends with- for other behaviour too, but partly because I realised that they''d never listen to me and refused to ever challenge themselves. So yes, please do have open and candid conversations with people- especially if you disagree. I've changed my opinions about certain things through being challenged by friends. But also don't put your time and emotions into talking to someone who refuses to respect you, because at the end of the day they aren't really your friend. (sorry for the rant)
Oh lord, the fact right wingers don't value human life hits close to home. I literally can't wrap my head around it. I once point-blank asked my brother "Don't you think it's unfair that some people are condemned to a life of poverty just because the conditions of their birth, and that homeless people freeze to death on the streets of the richest countries on earth?" He literally shrugged, and said "It's not my fault they're homeless". It's fucking sociopathic.
@@elee522 "we are all here due to survival of the fittest" well, and collaboration in your group species. It is funny how people always forget collaboration. It is essential for a species to survive. If it is only survival of the fittest, the flaw in this logic is quite basic and then there were none. Nature is competitive and collaborative.
The problem with government in general is that it is a necessary evil. Some people feel one side is better at playing that role. Sadly opinions like anti-science anti-global warming are not mainstream views but that is what is spread about the right in mass media. But on the other hand we are also told that the left are a bunch of whining group of lazy adults who never surpassed adolescence and expect everything handed to them on a plate. It’s crazy that just because you prefer one group of people over another that you are seen as an enemy and do not have any intellect or reasoning. Just yesterday I, a right wing leaning Libertarian (I support the conservatives because I support about 20% more of their policies compared to Labour but only 15% more than the Lib Dems) and I happen to enjoy watching Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson for a laugh, to my ‘friends’ or to be more correct people I thought were open minded enough to accept a difference of opinion so was friends with them, to my friends I then embody everything wrong in the world and support everything that those people say. Just yesterday we were discussing university, one of these students said she wanted to be a teacher so that she could teach kids not to be like me, so they don’t like capitalism or anything right of the aisle. I’m not saying that the conservatives have the solution to everything but I think they are slightly better than their opposition with the task of being a necessary evil. However by having this opinion as oppose to their opinion I am somehow the scum of the earth. Tolerance only works if it goes both ways.
@@elee522 if you haven't drank up a litre of bleach by now to decrease your carbon footprint for the good of the survival of this planet, then you probably value your own life. Thus, you now have to justify why YOUR life has inherent value, while others' do not. Failing that, you must accept that all life has the same value, and if you're not willing to take your own, you cannot justify taking another's.
@@elee522 Well you certainly aren’t one of fittest. “Fit” doesn’t just include physical strength or how much you possess it just means how well adapted you are to your environment in order to survive. One of the most essential ways our species has evolved to reign our planet the way it does today is though is improved social intelligence which some people and maybe even you don’t possess, the same people some have wisdom teeth and some don’t, so with that being said fuck your entire gene pool💕💕
There is a documentary called "The Brainwashing of my Dad" about an otherwise Kennedy lovin' democrat who listened to too much talk radio and got lost in the Alt Right sinkhole. Worth a watch.
Why do you assume that brainwashing ONLY happens on the right? This video, and the comments, seem to imply that the truly enlightened are on the left, once they get away from the right wing bubble. If you don't realize that just as easily you can have a Republican parent listen to "too much" NPR be brainwashed toward the left, then you're not as tolerant or open minded as you think.
Cults, by their very nature are quite compelling, especially for those looking to belong, wish they were more educated, and assorted barriers of entry to the life they wish they had...i have a secret knowledge idea...Read books, particularly Histories and Biographies. Following such a despotic, Cult of Personality fool will get one nowhere. Once they get from one what they want, one are used up spent jet-trash to them.
I had this happen with my uncle. I had to do a school project on conspiracy theories and I decided to look into a right-wing Conspiracy and I was telling him about it and he said “do you believe it?” And I said “no” because That’s the conclusion I had come to and my uncle just shook his head like I was some poor little child who was to dumb to understand the real world. It was a really weird moment because my uncle is a pretty level-headed dude and I was really surprise he believed in it since I thought it was pretty cut and dry.
@Gurnaj Virk it’s a political conspiracy and I’d rather not have this reply section turn into a political debate. That’s why I didn’t name the conspiracy in the first place (No, it’s not Q-anon or anything like that)
During the Me Too movement my step father, who raised four girls and would have never said such insane things, said ‘well, women wear thongs, make up, and read Fifty Shades of Grey, so they must want the attention’....
My mom used to be extremely apolitical, to the point where it was like part of her identity to never involve herself in politics. But then over the last 10-ish years, ever since she joined facebook, she's become slowly more and more radicalized by her group of friends (one of her friends is a conservative member of parliament) to the point where she now is very conservative. She now believes a lot of things that she used to believe the opposite of and is an angrier person overall. She used to think for herself and base her beliefs on her own moral conclusions and now she just parrots all the same popular right-leaning phrases. I wish there was something I could do about it, it makes me so sad. I feel like it's my fault because it was my idea to get her an iPad which is what facilitated her going on facebook all day. I try to explain to her why I disagree with some of the things she says, but it causes us to argue sometimes and I feel like I'm the only dissenting voice in her life compared to so many that agree with the conservative worldview that it's not enough. Older generations also have a tendency to write off the opinions of younger generations thanks to "lack of experience", so that doesn't help. I think it's a lost cause.
@@monkiram my dad is like that but on the opposite end. If it weren't for me, my siblings, and my mom he would definitely be those old right-winger parrots... But instead he's just the same but doesn't like Trump, parroting left wing arguments without really understanding them and constantly putting down "the other side"
My parents watch OANN...yeah. I’ll leave it at that. I’ve tried talking to them about politics but it’s just so tiring. I keep my distance from them for other personal reasons too, like me being bisexual. I once went on a few dates with this guy who said some really racist things about my own race who didn’t know that it was racist. I called him out on it and he didn’t even realize it was harmful. I really do think we need to speak up, not in a cruel way, but just let them know. If people don’t know they’re being hurtful, how will they know and learn?
This is something people absolutely need to hear. Growing up in that environment and going back to it now. It's insane. And it's so damningly hard to argue with people like this.
Bro, that feeling you described about having "special knowledge" is part of what cults provide. This kind of thing runs deep in many political circles but its a staple on the right because religion is already part of the infrastructure on the right. Breaking that kind of conditioning is hard to do, so congrats.
As a small child I remember picking up on the fact that mom would lock the door when in a “bad neighborhood” because it was “dangerous” as if a black person would attempt to snatch us from a moving vehicle 🙄. I remember being at the park at five years old and a kind black girl my age was trying to play with me and I was genuinely scared. Mom and I have come a long way. My older sister (born from my mother) is half black. It is not impossible to be racist with a black child and with a black man. We have all grown very much growing up. We are all very much not republican and very much anti-racist. But yes as a child my own beliefs and opinions were formed off of my parent and grandparents beliefs and opinions. Because as a child you do not question what authority figures may say because they’re always right. Right?
@@Patrick-sz7uk A few weeks ago, a sketchy white lady tried to open the door of the car in front of me at a red light. And when she found out that door was locked, she moved on to my car. So, yes, lock your car doors no matter where you are, cuz anyone at any time could go neurotic. 😬
Because as a child you do not question what authority figures may say because they’re always right. Right? And that is why religion still exists to this day...
Why do so many racist white people have biracial children? It's disgusting. The poor girl has to grow up knowing her own mother was a racist. Absolutely disturbing.
I live in Canada, where my province is known as "The Texas of Canada", and our Premier is the Trump of Canada. Each year I have moved more and more to the left- so much so that I get called a socialist now- it's glorious.
In my experience, lots of people at private schools are actually left-leaning and/or fully left wing, especially when said private school is in a dodgy area and teaches its students to think critically. Contrary to popular belief, they're not actually full of ultra-rich and ignorant elitists.
I think it was a retired Norwegian professor who said in his wisdom: Some people I have been very disagreeing with, have been right. I think that is a very good and deep wisdom and acknowledgment.
Dude, your story is like my story only my dad died and I'd listen to those programs religiously to feel a connection. I remember the moment I realized I didn't have a single opinion that was my own and it was because I finally dared to disagree about something. It blew my mind.
Hey Evan. I meant to put this on your last video. I honestly feel like through the comments and your videos you are a friend of mine. Obviously not someone I'm very close with but when you open about your insecurities or are honest with your struggles or even just show your flat mates it makes me feel not so alone. You and your content and has helped me a lot over the years. You genuinely seem like an incredible person.
I cannot stress this enough : Speak to people who are different to you, there is no limit to what you will learn and how much more kind and empathetic you can become.
I'd like to agree, but many "different" people are just people who waste your time. The chances of you getting through to somebody who genuinely believes Obama is hiding a planet from us by creating more clouds is close to zero. I have nothing to learn from this person. And all I can do is hope they eventually come back to reality.
@@Ray03595 but after a while of talking with them you will notice that it was never about logic and that the origin of the belief lies somewhere completely else, that your entire approach to it was ineffective because it never touched the matter and therefore you learned something about what people lead into this way of thinking and how to actually go about it...but that will only happen if you go into the conversation trying to understand before you are trying to convince. Otherwise it will be a waste of time, because you never intended to have a conversation but only intended to be the smarter one, trying to show someone whilst the other person is trying to be the smarter one trying to show you something...neither of both sides have actually been doing what OP (as I assume, can’t look into their head) tried to get through by saying you need to speak to people in order to learn and raise their empathy (and general understanding of how people actually work) but instead only talked to over-talk the other.
As a bartender (pre-pandemic), I completely agree with you. I was always super interested in other cultures and foreign languages since I was about 5 or 6, and my parents raised me to treat others how I would like to be treated, so I had a pretty solid base. But I have to say that my bartending career REALLY emphasized the values of interpersonal relations. It’s actually my favorite part of the job, getting to talk to people from all walks of life. Different backgrounds, races, faiths, jobs, outlooks, etc. And I’ve worked everywhere from dive bars, resort hotel, restaurant, club, most recently an airport. You can’t believe all the amazing conversations I’ve had! Of course, MANY times I don’t agree about something, or anything, but because I’m on the job, it behooves me to keep things pleasant and friendly. It taught me that I can get along with just about anybody, even when I don’t like them, for the most part. I just have to find the thing I do like, and relate on that level. It also taught me that it’s possible to dislike someone, but still interact in a civil way, or even get along. I like your comment bc it reminds us that everybody has a story!
Man this resonated with me. I was a psych major at a university know for being very conservative and came out the other side as a liberal. It's not universities, it's life experience that made me the way I am.
the best piece of advice i've ever gotten came from my college chemistry teacher. when you look at something, ask yourself, "does this make sense?" i tell ppl that all the time and they're all probably sick of me, but i will continue to do so until ppl learn to use their common sense again. lol
Yeah, its certainly a lot less an issue this side the Atlantic though. Its not as extreme. Here in ireland tabloids are the problem too but they don't have even a fraction of the power the right wing media has in the US
@@shanehughes3511 it’s crazy because here in Ireland if you’re one of those conspiracy right wingers you probably didn’t get that from some Irish news or tabloid really but probably got it just from listening to American alt right commentators and American news and media which shows how powerful the US media is when they’re hundreds of miles away
Have to say extreme-right wing cults are sort of growing everywhere globally. Which is extremely depressing. I do think the US having a president that encouraged it allowed it to grow EVERYWHERE. But for me what has been scary has been sort of realizing that those cult like conspiracies are not only everywhere, but they have *been* around for ages. Is just now that hate groups feel strong enough to be super loud and proud of it publicly. But they’ve been there.
@@shanehughes3511Bud the far right in the US is very very bad, however there are also issues on the left as well. Insular bubbles with increasingly extreme positions are a problem for both sides limiting either sides ability to unite and understand one another. Eliminating critical thinking, external sources of new information and accountability. All elements of the media, social media and our selves on that and this side of the pond are to blame for that. Apologies, rant over 😂.
I also used to be way more economically liberal and politically right wing than I currently am. Having to deal with a right wing government during a pandemic showed me the error of my ways.
It's all good dude. People can grow and change. Makes us human. Better late than never to burst through that bubble. But yea our government response during the pandemic was abysmal to say the least.
i'm right outta The Enlightenment, that's why so many american religious, economic and political conservatives don't like me. then again, "progressives" and i have an especially deep mutual loathing.
h1n1 was such a non event in my country, that only now i discovered they vaccinated 45% of the population in 3 months, and that is why i dont even remember how bad it was, it wasn't bad at all
I was thinking the same thing. Would be nice if I could actually get my sister to watch it, but she’s too far gone at this point. Pretty much half of the U.S. is living in an alternate universe with very little connection to reality.
I grew up with grandparents teaching me to be sceptical of things and question everything and to only listen if other people can give solid proof backed by facts and scientific evidence along with legit sources and the data they have. I don't and can't believe something that is based off of a conversation.
It's stuff like this that genuinely makes me have so much respect for Evan. Additionally, it's stuff like this that makes me genuinely want to learn more about political views that oppose my own. Kudos, for inspiring your audience to grow, and to always keep learning
God that was some beautiful nuance. You verbalised feelings that I have just never been able to express in this video and frankly it was quite cathartic. Good job Evan.
my parents thought my catholic high school made me more leftist even though it just came from having an education and meeting foreign exchange students from all over the world
Love the point you're making Evan and completely agree. However, I do feel this was very focused on people on the right / republicans having lost their ability for critical thought (just naturally I guess as you have moved from right-ish to left) but I do think it's important to note that this also very much happens the other way. The left are moving further and further to the left (at least the vocal twitter mob seem to be) and the vast majority of people who sit somewhere in the centre of the aisle and always considered themselves left wing before are left feeling politically homeless, confused and are 'exiled' in a sense if you don't 100% agree with whatever woke cause is trending on twitter today. Conversation and critical thought is key from everyone all along the political spectrum but also the ability to accept differences in people's viewpoints/priorities when voting and being able to agree to disagree and still get a long is so rare these days.
Thanks for the video. I was raised in a very right-wing religious family in the midwestern U.S. Church three times a week, no movies, no dances, nonchristian music wasn't allowed. As a young adult, I was a republican. Like you said experiencing life and talking with others changed me. Going out seeing the world for myself scared the crap out of me. The fear the church puts into many of these people so ingrained it is hard to escape. I would see everything in the world as something assaulting the good Christian morals blah blah blah. However, it became impossible to reconcile what I had been old about certain people and how those "out to get me, America and God" people actually treated me. More and more I found these vilified groups were just everyday people trying to make the best for themselves and their families. I agree with you that this situation is much worse than we see on the news. It saddens me to see so many of my friends go down this dark path I grew up on. The left seems to expect people to be of perfect political lineage and often will have purest tendencies like I experienced when I was on the right. Although having been on both sides I think the right by far acts out on more extremist behaviors and today are far a greater threat to American freedoms than the left I do see how the left could become just a purest. Critical thinking is needed more than ever.
I love you’re freely talking about this, I think specifically in America there is this you’re on our side or their side. It really annoys me when people jump down people’s throats for not 100% agreeing with them. It’s tribalism really
I really love how you explained this. I have been working on being more open minded in my (socialist) beliefs and this really helps explain where people on the right side of the political spectrum are coming from. I live in two pretty liberal bubbles (DC suburbs and Portland, Oregon) in otherwise red states so this really resonates with me. Keep up with the important topics that you care about because they are so good and informative and you seem really passionate which makes it soooo much more enjoyable to watch
I never gave a single shit about politics for a majority of my life until recently when my father dove head first into the election was stolen conspiracies and pushed me to really start looking into what was going on. To this day he thinks it was stolen and whenever I try to push back and have him watch sources that aren’t blatantly republican and conservative he always tell me that of course they aren’t talking about it, they got it and now they have to keep everyone’s mind off it so they don’t get caught. It’s honestly terrifying to see so many people falling into such wild conspiracies and that it’s becoming the norm here.
I didn't care about politics for the longest time either until I realized I was gay and I kinda have to pay attention now cause like, my rights are at stake or somethin :') I don't like it I wish I could go back to ignoring everyone with their politics and insane takes I miss not understanding how Insane my stepmom is Yeahh.. ignorance is bad.... but I'm allowed SOME pointless unreasonable wishing sometimes
@@George-bb9kr Well Biden is actually pretty right wing even in America. Boris Johnson is similar to Biden on some things but more right/left wing on other things so it’s hard to compare. But yes, the UK is generally more left so people like Trump seem very right wing.
I’ve been actively answering questions (no matter how rude) about my disabilities and sexuality for my entire life, and I’m so tired. I’m only 22, but I’m so tired. Yeah sometimes I open eyes. But most of the time I get threatened, ridiculed, and scared. I want to raise awareness and help the next generation so they don’t have to do this as much. But honestly, I’m struggling to keep up with myself. I’m tired of fearing for my and my loved one’s safety. My wish for this world before I die is for politics and human rights to finally be seen as separate things. I just want the freedom that my republican parents promised me as a child. I want the home that America promised me. If you’re a republican reading this, remember that the far right ideals against lgbt people, disabled people, and people of color aren’t just affecting your jobs or taxes. Its killing people. Every day. I’m tired of being so scared. And I’m tired of watching my loved ones die. Please stop the cycle. You can be republican. I don’t care if you tax me to death or make petty China take their pandas back or whatever. I just want to be free.
Dang, that's rough. As someone with a physical disability I'm just glad I live in a country with a way better political system that caters to the majority of voters without being either extreme end (government is always somewhere around the middle). Hopefully everyone can some day enjoy a political system that pursues a healthy living environment for the majority (both left & right wing parties).
@@benjaminramsey498 the Chinese government uses loans of Pandas to zoos around the world, to try and influence governments to pass pro Chinese policies. Does it work, not even vaguely. Is this the reason Edinburgh zoo lost a successful breeding program, yes. XD
@@maxhughes7810 Well, it's nice to hear that but many of your counterparts chose NOT to openly debate with the more right-wing members of your party, thereby implictly agreeing with the stuff they spew...
This reminds me of when the 2015 general elections were going on, I was in primary school and me an my friends where talking about our political beliefs (as 10 year olds !) and I was talking about how voting for the conservatives was a good idea. Most of my friends disagreed so I grabbed a white board and started going around school asking teachers who they were going to vote for, most of them said labor and then asked why I thought voting Tory was good and I couldn't think of a reason, my Dad just kept on talking about how he was going to vote Tory so I copied. I look back at that and cringe even though I'm 15 now I feel like I am becoming my own person with separate political beliefs than my parents.
I mean, thankfully, that isn't as problematic. I'm sure most of those people in school didn't have fully-formed political views in support of Labour either. Just being a Tory isn't bound up in conspiracy theories in the same way a lot of the views he talks about in the video are. There are intellectually robust, ideologically consistent reasons to be on the right, just as on the left, and it's difficult not to pick up ideological tendencies from your parents. Personally, I had the opposite experience. My Mother is pretty far left, I grew up with Robin Hood parables, a general view that we should nationalise _everything_ and that Margaret Thatcher was the devil incarnate. She wasn't trying to brainwash me, it was just there. She also isn't into conspiracies - her views are entirely rational and internally consistent. I just drifted towards the centre-left over the years as I realised politics was more nuanced and the good governance tends to be more important than ideology (within reason).
Having any political beliefs at 10 is a good start. Being capable at 15 of realising that maybe you weren't a fully formed political entity, and were just being influenced by outside opinion without any further context is actually impressive. I suppose the only thing I'd add is that it is important not to tie yourself to a party identity (whether Labour, Tory, Lib Dem or any other), but rather cast your vote for those you feel would best represent you, not for a colour of rosette. I'm broadly a little right of centre politically, but have at various times in various elections voted Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Green, and even for Independents on a few occasions. I have very little patience for people who always vote blindly for the same party every time, whatever the merits of their platform, or the candidates involved, because that is not how democracy works. It is how democracy dies
@@merrymachiavelli2041 I would say that to be a Tory is actually pretty tame in comparison to the beliefs shared in the video. Especially when you're talking 2015
Completely agree with you on how our interaction with people outside our normal social circle could widen our views on the world.. I, myself, definitely had mine changed when I moved from Malaysia to Ireland 17 years ago.. and will continue to improve as years go by..
I knew it was Rush Limbo as soon as you said "he listened to a lot of radio" lol and I'm from Italy (although I'm very intrested in US politics and history, so maybe that's why I knew it was him lol)
“I know things other people don’t /I am the smart one/ I am the woke one/this is me/ everyone else is wrong” you were spitting bars there son lol straight 🔥 somebody put a beat on that please
lol, 'Propaganda'? So the single news outlet that didn't run on everything Trump does is evil 'FOX NEWS' is propaganda, but the dozens of pro Democrat ''news'' channels burying the same stories in tandem & using each other as verified sources isn't? hmmm k. There is no way that you are being honest with yourself. Soo...Joke Biden... promised the gullible youth Student Debt Removal, lmao, Buyers remorse yet?
@@ThatInnerVoiceOfReason and here is an example of the topic of the video. Please do not feed the exhibit. It subsists on a diet of ignorance and lack of self worth.
@@shinon748 quit deflecting the truth. They left wing media lie, they said trump called troops bastards without proof, but Biden on camera said “clap for me you stupid bastards”
@@Rounderyathecruel Congratulations on your stellar example of out of context cherry picking. Yes, Biden _did_ say those words on camera, but he did so in a clearly jocular manner, following a joke and in a speech that was otherwise laden with heaps and heaps of praise for the troops.
I had a friend that I hadn't seen for about 5 years, and when I visited him I found that he had gone completely conspiracy nut. He bent my ear for an hour and a half before I stopped him to ask him a couple of questions. I said, suppose you are right? How is it helping you? He didn't have an answer, so I answered for him. It's not helping you. After he told me that government agents were surveilling him while he was doing dishes, I said, good to see you, I gotta go.
There's a moment in Lion Witch and the Wardrobe (the book series) where the anthropomorphic animals discuss watching other animals "become wild" - as if they caught a form of rabies and were no longer recognizable as the same species. Hearing friends fall down the extreme conspiracy hole always reminds me of that. Also Evan spitting bars 10:55
@@w1nterdays not the first because there is a prequel but I believe it was in the actual Lion Witch and Wardrobe book (chronologically book 2 of the series)
watch till the end guys lmaoo
@@AxxLAfriku Dude, what the hell are you on about? What do you do?
Save the praise... for church haha
@@yoinksscoob4889 sAVe teH PRiiasE
I have died
For CHURCH
@@kazeboiii I’m sure that you don’t understand death or its consequences. You clearly haven’t died.
The seatbelt argument is the same line of thinking people seem to apply to masks. Regardless of whether or not they think it’s helpful, they won’t do it because someone told them to. It’s so weird to me.
I like your pfp
It’s juvenile. Like a two year old.
I’m guessing the people who are anti mask feel about masks the same way I feel about waiters telling me to not touch my plate because it’s hot, like I wasn’t going to touch my plate but now that you told me not to I must however that only hurts me in the end, not wearing a mask is a public health hazard and could end up hurting others
I feel like a lot of the same people who dislike seatbelts also won't wear masks, and I can kinda admire the consistency. In order to function in this world we have to have some beliefs (absolute or with doubts) --whether in institutions, people, philosophies, or gods. I think these people have just have a worldview that fundamentally relies on different beliefs of freedom, truth and what gives life meaning. Arguably, life has no meaning if we give it none. And perhaps without complete freedom (whatever that may be) there can be no meaning. I'm not sure if they necessarily want a better life or a more complete one, but regardless of how BS their claims, the logic in this regard doesn't seem itself flawed or hypocritical. Mind you, I'm fine with some restrictions (and would like to see them enforced on everybody), but I think that's just my personal beliefs on putting people above abstractions most days of the week.
PS, if anyone has any feedback on what I just said, I'd love to hear it. I think I've been going down some RUclips rabbit holes and could use some help getting out.
I honestly didn’t even know the seatbelt thing was a common argument until now. I thought it was just my grandpa, and he always pisses me off whenever it comes up. Even though he’s been in several car accidents, and one of which notably injured him severely, causes chronic and severe pain, and made him have to retire on disability. 🤦♀️ I will never understand the logic.
“Secret planet between Earth and the Sun” Venus and Mercury?
Some ancient astronomers used to think there was a hidden planet between Venus and Mercury called vulcan that caused their orbits to be elliptical. Now we know that’s just how gravity and orbits work
The orbits of Mercury and Venus are between the Earth and the sun. The planets themselves very rarely are. You might expect Mercury, which orbits the sun once every 88 days, to pass between the earth and the sun once every orbit but the orbit of Mercury is inclined slightly compared to the orbit of Earth so they only line up around 13 or 14 times per century. When this happens (called a transit of Mercury), you can see the mercury passing across the disk of the Sun (but do not look directly into the sun). Transits of Venus are even rarer, they happen less than once per century.
In general objects closer to the sun have to move faster to remain in orbit, so they can't stay constantly between the earth and the sun. But there is a special point called a Lagrange point (or L1) where the gravitational pull from the earth "balances" the gravitational pull from the sun and an object at that point would orbit at same angular speed as the earth. Unfortunately this orbit is not stable, so you don't find natural objects there. There are a few man made satellites at the L1 point but they are only a few metres across and 1.5 million kilometres away so the biggest telescopes on earth could barely see them. Since orbits at the L1 point are unstable, the satellites have to use thrusters to adjust their orbits to stay in position. I'm not sure how much rocket fuel you'd need to keep an entire planet in orbit at that spot but I'm guessing it's a lot...
@@birkett83 that explained so much. Thank you!
@@overloookable Not ancient astronomers, nor between Venus and Mercury.
After the discovery of Neptune which was perturbing Uranus' orbit , astronomers assumed that Mercury's discrepancies in its orbit must be due to a planet even closer to the Sun which they called Vulcan. They thought it had not been discovered, being so close to the Sun that the Sun's brightness obscured it.
Einstein's general theory of relativity killed the idea of Vulcan.
@@birkett83 sixty symbols' video on Lagrange points is a RUclips classic, I have an urge to rewatch it now.
The irony of seatbelt laws is they exist for the very people who oppose them
do you mean the dim?
Well isn't that the reason for all laws? Would need laws against murder if there weren't people who would like to murder.
The irony of strong anti-drug laws is that they exist for the very people who oppose them.
@@tomservo75 Sadly no, anti-drug laws are really to suppress minorities as demonstrated by the highly unequal enforcement.
@@williammeek4078 Where is the data on that? There are so many variables, you can't just say that more black people in jail = more uneven enforcement. Disparate outcomes do not prove disparate intent.
I'm against the War on Drugs too, my only point in making that comment is that someone was saying we need seatbelt laws to protect people from themselves but the same people likely oppose the War on Drugs. My point is stop with the nanny state. I'll say this to the seatbelt law proponents on the left as well as the anti-drug crowd on the right just as equally.
I was outside recently and my neighbours were talking. One said ‘I’ve always carried an organ donor card, but they’re going to make it compulsory, so I’m not going to do it anymore.'
I thought, wow, so it was never about the potential to save someone’s life, it was just about thinking you were better than other people, and now it doesn’t make you better than other people, so you won’t do it.
I mean... if it's mandatory, I'd stop carrying the card too. Wallet space is tight and if everyone's doing it, carrying it is more a vanity statement like "Oh I was planning on donating my organs before it was cool"
@@thelegendarypandicorn1777 it’s not about carrying the card, that’s just a figure of speech. The point was he would no longer agree to organ donation because the 'man' had made it compulsory.
@@danpreston564 That's a lot of information to pick up from a neighbor saying "I’ve always carried an organ donor card, but they’re going to make it compulsory, so I’m not going to do it anymore". How much were you listening in on your neighbors?
@@thelegendarypandicorn1777 I didn’t need to hear more, and I may have abridged and paraphrased his words.
It's more about the principle, I don't like the idea that the state has a default claim on my organs: it has unfortunate implications (looking at you China).
My organs belong to me and I'll do what I like with them. Now excuse me while I drink this gallon of Whiskey and smoke this carton.
You hit the nail on the head with the whole “I believe a conspiracy theory and thus I am smarter because I know something you don’t and am not a sheep for the mass media and the government” thing and I think it is a critical point that not enough people talk about.
I consider myself a skeptic of skeptics. I see the world and take it as it is. No secret world government or evil plots hidden in the depths. (Like bad things are happening, but it's not nearly as secret as people things)
I may not be right about everything, but the nice thing is it doesn't matter as much.
@@speedy01247 it’s oxymoronic because on one hand they believe that there’s all these deep state conspiracies to take over the world, while at the same time believing all politicians are incompetent and useless...
those quotes are left wingers
@@mr.anderson1454 my friends a trump supporter conspirator and he pretty much said this to me, I can say for sure it's right wing people saying it
@@mainao3443 I don't belive the government or mass media. I'm a left winger.
Math majors get so radicalized. Gotta get to the root of it.
Division is being taught in these liberal colleges! Facts don't care about your irrational numbers.
No, they obviously get radicalised with raising things to power! campuses should deal with these square students, need to reduce factors that contributed to the decimation of others exponential potential
I think it is because they eat too much pi.
@@xymaryai8283 the problem with these "radicals" is they always want to raise things to a higher power but their power is only fractional.
Beautiful
Man, if I had a dollar for every time I asked for a source, and got linked to a RUclips video that used the word "Sheeple," I'd be rich enough to drink the blood of children too.
@Rukoshii No because my dad literally posts that shit and there's a "fact checkers have determined the information in this post to be false: see why" at the bottom of almost every single one
My uncle is becoming anti vaccine (he never used to be), which is funny as both his wife and 2 children work in the NHS (national health service for those not from the UK). His “sources” are random websites and professors - they do exist but they are opinions, not studies. It’s scary how common this is getting.
@Rukoshii Isn’t is amazing how common it is for common sense to arrive at an uncommon answer?
How sad is that, but so true and quite funny. But I personally know people like this and that is scary, like dangerous scary.
@@DragonXflyer yes, the people you describe are usually the ones in the “hold ma beer an’ watch this,” camp.
My parents always refused to talk about politics around me when I was younger because they were adamant that I formed my own opinions. I live in a pretty diverse area so I went to school with and became friends with people across the political spectrum, and I remember at lunch we would always have in depth discussions about certain topics. They never really got heated and none of us got angry, we just shared our opinions and moved on. I didn't fully develop the skills I needed to think critically about these issues until the end of high school and my views have changed since then, but I think having these conversations was a good first step for me and I feel lucky to have had that experience.
tldr: It's important to talk to people you disagree with, as long as you're willing to listen to each other
Love this! Totally agree, and I had the same from my parents, I think its great x
My parents tried it but we did talk about politics when I was in highschool, they never told me who they voted for until then tho (there are about 5 major parties in my country)
I got OK upbringing: my atheist dad took me a communist youth club when I was ten (get them young) and my mum took me to a Sunday school from eight years. In high school I had fierce political arguments either Social Democrats and Conservatives and at Communist Party committee meetings with the "old hands", arguments about the right to believe - or not to believe - without being harassed; with my dad about meat eating vs veganism. When I say argued, I mean debated: there was never any ill feelings or grudge afterwards. But when I was a kid, web browser with easy to type URLs and WiFi weren't invented yet: Internet was only for the military and select few university boffins, white text against black or green via VERY slow telephone lines and modem that couldn't cope with sound.... We all had the same the same national papers delivered and an additional one according to political leaning and we had only few TV and radio channels to choose from, all striving to present the news with a neutral tone: it was practically impossible to stay in a bubble for any length of time, likewise left wing, right wing or religious radicalisation was uncommon.
It wasn’t till I was an adult that I found out my dad was registered with a particular political party - and to this day there’s really only a very small handful of times that I’ve ever overheard him discussing politics - and me and him only ever had one very brief conversation about politics and that was only brought on because of the crazy-ness that was the 2016 election.
But how do you listen and talk to someone who thinks that there is a hidden planet behind chem trails ? I am at a loss here, a loss for words that is.
Am I closed minded because I don't really want to talk to people who believe such stories ? Vicarious shame is real. Hearing this story on youtube already makes me cringe ? Can you imagine in real life ? Someone that I would know ? I would think they are ready to be admitted into a psychiatric hospital. I wouldn't even know where to start having a conversation about this.
I relate to this so much. I grew up in a conservative house and didn’t even realize how having Fox News on in the living room formed my opinions for me. Once I moved out, traveled, and met people outside my bubble, everything flipped. It’s now so hard for me to go home to family without going insane listening to all the new conspiracy theories. Beyond glad I got away and that others share similar experiences to me.
Oh my god, I relate SO MUCH. Except my family doesn't watch Fox News which is rather bearable and civilised. They watch Russian propagandist channels which are, and I don't exaggerate one bit, WORSE than North Korean propaganda.
It is so insane how there are different routes people in your situation (or one similar) will go. I had a friend who grew up with fox news every single night, was never exposed to diversity and hearing other people's experiences, and it hasn't caused her to self reflect on her ideologies. On the other hand I was raised by a lib gone conservative mother who blamed our poorness and suffering on other poor people. I've traveled, met people from all walks of life, took sociology and polisci classes in college, and now my mom believes I'm a "radical leftist" just because I started questioning the rhetoric she would use to speak about social issues.
It's terribly sad that it really is as easy as "getting out of your bubble" and experiencing life from a different perspective. It makes your whole world shift if you do a lot less talking and a lot more listening.
@@AmberyTear RT
@@creativefantasybox2462 yea, nazis had more tasteful propaganda...
Libtard sources are nearly as bad conservatard sources.
This video is great - I really like the acknowledgement that our beliefs, political or otherwise, SHOULD change and evolve as we get older and gain a different perspective on the world. It doesn't mean that our previous beliefs/opinions were necessarily wrong, but that our experiences will shape us, and our priorities will shift. I think there's a lot of expectation that people should know exactly who they are and what is "right" as soon as they are adults, but you change hugely over time, especially in your late teens/early twenties. For me now at 25, I would hugely disagree with myself at 18 on so many topics. That doesn't make my 18 self an idiot, or a bad person, just young, and without much exposure to the world beyond my home town and social circle.
Damn right. This is also a good arguement for cancel culture.
saw the title and thought “oh a reverse coming out video” i hate myself for this
i love the way you think
Eeeh
@@nishapatel-vu9lm again....
Eehhhh?
@@calliopeblue2303 i'm sorry, what do you mean?
jafbuksrgfy omg YES. dude i was SO anxious and scared throughout this whole vid
The only thing scarier than believing extremist theories is when you stop believing and realize your family is crazy
I’m still thrown by the seatbelt law thing. I did not know this was a real thing that people cared about
I know someone (an adult) who brought this up recently w me while explaining why he doesn't like that masks are mandated. It's so weird because this person isn't one of those people who thinks covid is all a hoax, he's extremely cautious of it and does a lot more to protect his family than most are doing (and I'm pretty sure he wears his seatbelt too), he just hates the government telling him what to do and thinks it should be up to everyone to protect their individual safety how they choose.
IIRC seatbelts had strong opposion right from the start, (even before the laws; which is why they were needed) as have many other safety features.
It's not necessarily political either.
Many people seem to value "this is how it has always been, and I'm ok so far" over (what is percieved as) an inconvenience, even though it demonstrably improves safety.
Same thing often applies to any kind of change. There seems to be a general perception that the population, as a whole, is incredibly gulible.
But some studies have shown that not only are many overly cynical, but that this can also be at least as harmful.
Makes you think, doesn't it?
(At least, I hope so.)
It's a psychological phenomenon called reactance. When someone tells you to do something, you're more likely to rebel against doing that thing than if you thought you decided to do it on your own. And plenty of people who don't realize they're doing that will often rationalize their behavior by deciding that everyone would do the right thing on their own if "the government" didn't force them to do it.
It's an aspect of behavior that is more common with conservative mindsets, "don't tell me what to do." Now, just about everyone has this to some degree or another, none of us like being told to do something we'd rather not, but for some people this attitude becomes quite strong, to the point of immediate contrarianism no matter what they are told to do or how good it would be for them. They have an innate inability to accept command from outside of themselves, though there is a weird hypocrisy which often comes with it of following strong authority figures as long as that authority figure is blaming someone else for whatever bad stuff is going on. Hence why 70 million+ Americans voted for Trump.
@@saschabeth1852 i hope he knows that masks don’t protect the wearer; they protect others from the wearer. masks filter what you breathe out, not what you breathe in. you are not safe in a crowd if you are wearing masks and no one else is.
YES. I feel this 100%
I was raised in a conservative home and heard a lot of "exclusive knowledge" that the "corrupt media" wasn't going to share. I see the same kind of communication pattern happen in problematic churches too. There's a religious rhetoric that makes it really easy to disbelieve or worse, pity, the other side.
Thanks for being willing to share your experience and shift in thinking on the internet. You're def not alone!
you might wanna try their own phrases on them... like when they drop racist/mysogenist/homophobe remarks say "brother I see you don't love your neighbour as is commanded in scripture. I will pray for you." their faces!! xD
It is frighteningly cultish.
I grew up like this too.
"DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!" How many times do you see that battle cry of the conspiracy theorist online? And without any further elaboration.
It’s deflection. It’s like, I have a million dollars in my pocket, I won’t show it to you, but just trust me
It's interesting that this conversation is only being entertained now, yet similar sophistry has long characterized more mainstream conspiracy theories; to be blunt, the number of times I've been told by someone who believes in "patriarchy" to "educate myself" is definitely on par with anti-vaxers and other right-wing conspiracies that have appeared over the years.
The funny thing is that I did that. I got a bit concerned about some of the antivaxx stuff that was going around about 11 years ago. The kind of reasonable middle ground stuff like delayed schedules and such. So I went and did my research. And found that they were all full of shit and then went and got my kids vaccinated. Talk about a backfire. I actually researched. I read papers on viral loads and adjuvants and all sorts but I got them from actual peer reviewed journals.
@@lancewalker2595 the patriarchy isn't a conspiracy theory, it's a term invented to describe our patriarchial society. Which IS patriarchal, that's why we take the father's name and not the mother's, and why women were second-class citizens for so many years. Honestly, if you think it's a conspiracy theory you SHOULD educate yourself.
@@geministargazer9830 The reason children take the father's name is to give the father an explicit relation to his offspring, it is to establish a more equal relation between men, women and their shared offspring. Contrary to popular belief, men actually want and need families just as much as women do.
LMAOOO HIDDEN PLANET
Hey Noah!
I thought they said hidden plant XD
Men are from Mars, women are from Venus, non-binary folk are from the hidden planet kept secret by Obama's chemtrails.
Trust me, that's nothing! I've put it in my comment, but go watch CoolHardLogic's World of Batshit series. And his geocentrism, flat Earth, homeopathy... Just watch him.
@@BeingTheHunt don't forget "girls go to college to get more knowledge, boys go to Jupiter to get more stupider". The irony being that "more stupider" is incorrect to say in English. Oh and the genders obviously switch depending on who's singing the song. There was also a version where the girls went to "Mars to get more Mars Bars", which annoyed me as it didn't flow well, and so I changed it to "girls go to Mars to get more bars" as in they own bars so they make money as opposed to the boys becoming stupid on Jupiter 😂. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure I wasn't the biggest fan of Mars Bars when I was in P6, so that might've had something to do with it too...
Funny how the claims you bring up from like 2009 are still things I hear word for word from my conservative parents. it’s such an echo chamber that never progresses
Same... my mom and stepdad are both conservative
My grandparents dont believe global warming is real SIMPLY BECAUSE, if it was real it wouldnt have been renamed climate change...
Their views aren't supposed to progress if they believe they are right..
I don't know that it never progresses: The satanic child-blood drinking, adrenaline harvesting cult thing seems to be a pretty recent development. Not sure if we can exactly call that progress, but the fact that so many in the echo chamber do seem to believe it sounds genuinely terrifying to me. Once you view the people on the other side of the debate as child molesting murderers, they are no longer human to you and anything and everything you might do to "stop them" is justified in your eyes. That's what scares me.
I mean if conservatives changed their opinions, they wouldn't be conservative anymore. They would be progressive and they can't have that now can they lol
conservative families are like "don't believe everything you see online" and then literally do that 😭😭
THIS ashjkl
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUU!!! omfg! legit got gaslit the other day by family because I dared to do my own research. was told "I'm being too emotional" "just a millennial" oh and my favorite, "I think you should take a break from who you're watching" I am, it's called critical thinking and research. TRY IT. not playing the game anymore.
@@spectrumwarrior9560 You are sounding too emotional ...
It's not just right wing. My eldest brother sounds so alike yet he prides himself on being left wing. But he is so radical left wing. He believes Al Jezera and Russia TV and refuses to beleive they might have a political agenda of their own, no, no, they're the only ones telling the truth. Full of right wing conspiracies and when the people rise up against their oppression. Nobody dares oppose what he says because we're all being fooled. The guff that spills from my brother's mouth, the furiously angry rants at any opinions other than his own. I always wonder if he should of had psychological tests for conditions such as Autism. When I was a child there were angry arguments between my father and brother. When it came to my brothers declarations of "come the revolution..." my father would reply with "come the revolution you'll be the first one I shoot."
@@LoriCiani Sad, we need more balance in what is truth and what is lies.
Ok but why does that seat belt conversation sound like something an anti masker would say
It's the same argument, freedom to make your own choices is more important to them than public and private safety
@@ramywiles When freedom threatens the ultimate freedom that is life it is no longer freedom.
@@diablo.the.cheater Even more so, when your freedom of choice imposes on someone else's freedoms.
And the "personal freedom" anti seat belt, anti maskers are against letting an NFL players kneel during the national anthem.
Now apply the mask rules for seatbelts and you can see why a person might think masks are stupid.
You have to wear your seatbelt unless your eating or drinking you have to wear a seatbelt unless your 6 feet away from a person. You have to wear a seatbelt but it is okay if the seatbelt is made from strings. You have to wear a seatbelt but it is encouraged that you use the same seatbelt and put your mouth on it every time you use it. You have to wear a seatbelt unless your driving to a protest.
These double standards are y some people are angry.
One less one.
You have to wear a seatbelt unless your a politician.
I saw this title and clicked immediately....I put my literature essay down and just devoted myself to it...niceeee
THE EXACT SAME WHOOPS
@@imid3440 whoopsy
As a Conservative that had this video pop up on their suggestions for some reason, I wholeheartedly agree with you and wish more in the Republican Party, just the right in general really, would call this kind of stuff out. I have definitely had to critically assess and determine why I believe what I do, and in doing that ended up changing my views on several things. I too attribute this to having gotten out of my bubble (the military and hobbies in this case) and being exposed to more beliefs. It's kind of funny, but also sad, that many of the people I grew up with or around (mostly family) would call me a RINO or traitor today if they would even have much of a conversation about it at all.
It's crazy how people go on about "RINO"s now when the people they're calling RINOs are just more traditional conservatives that haven't completely let the internet and other media drive them insane. Aren't they supposed to like tradition?
I saw the title and I am immediately intruiged🧐
'tis the point of a title
Yes, it worked
This kinda reminds me of my Tory parents claiming, extremely confidently, that there are cities and towns in the UK genuinely governed by sharia law. So that's fun.
I can think of one, a small town called Saville Town had at one point two Sharia courts operating in it as the population was 93% Pakistani muslim...very strange place. To say that cities are being controlled by them is stupid, but Muslims do use underground Sharia courts across the country.
@@owenwinn2821
They do but thats the thing, they are "underground"
They rely on members of community upholding their peers to pressure in order to have any influence
Which makes rising negativity to muslims sad as integration, making people feel they are part of collective of UK and british, is best way of breaking the sharia courts by having them adopt more open british way of life.
This is of course an outsiders view but it seems like far right lives in self fullfilling prophecy, they fear others and discriminate them, making them in turn radicalized which just further fuels the far right
@@MrAapasuo They aren't coming here to integrate, they cling to Eastern values and implement them within their communities; letting backwards cultures bastardise our own is why Europe is in an international period of crisis.
@@owenwinn2821
yes small wonder why they wont integrate when people treat them like they never could from beginning
you really dont see how that mentality drives these insular cultures do you?
@@owenwinn2821 bit like the Jewish courts that have existed in the UK for centuries then (the Beth Din)?
When your freedom takes away from someone else's, it's called entitlement.
I have to preface this with the fact that I'm libertarian. I agree that your freedom can't take away someone else's but I have only seen people talking about freedom use mask and seat belt laws as examples. Those don't take away other's freedoms. Is there something else you are talking about? If this seems rude, I don't want it to be
@@elir842 heya!
Honestly I'm it quiet sure anymore why I specifically answere drhis to this video as it was a little while ago, but I think we might be in the same page here;
My argument in regard with the masks is that if it doesn't do you any harm, but it potentially can harm others , I don't agree with you saying it's your ' freedom' that's threatened. Same with vaccinations. Same with seatbelts. By making them mandatory, it protects a majority of the population which, let's be honest, sometimes need common sense 'forced' on them to survive.
I'm not quiet sure what you want to say but I'm more than happy to keep this conversation going until we both understand what it is about lol 😅🙂
@@chany6336 I can see vaccines and masks but I don't agree. However, I don't understand seatbelts, they can't protect others cars or even others in the same vehicle
@@elir842 1 human corpse moving at 50 miles per hour through a windshield slamming into a bystander lol
@@elir842 I can't tell if Libertarianism actually rots your brain, or if idiots are just more likely to become Libertarians... 🤔
One of the funnier things I’ve experienced was that my parents were like “oh, you’ll get more politically right as you grow older” and I’m sitting here having gone pretty darn consistently left 😅
You have to be boomer old
@@hellohello-tp4mb It wasn’t left wingers storming the capitol on Jan 6th in military larp and weird shaman getup.
You probably haven't moved as much as you think....its the parties that have move to the extremes...there used to be a middle ground...a large group from both parties that cooperated and actually got stuff done and moved the country forward...🤷♂️ they are still there...but are far fewer in number...now nothing gets done...I remember when both side could give a little and it wasn't the end of the universe if Democrats and Republicans got something out of a deal. So sad today's political environment.
@@pjmeis5226 it wasn’t right wingers burning down cities for months, killing and harming innocent people and police officers
Same. I was Republican until 2016, now I’m left and going harder left every year. I’ll be 50 soon
When it comes to arguing any point to a conspiracy theorists, I have said this before and I'll say it again. Unfortunately arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. At the end of the day it doesn't matter how good you are at chess the pigeon is just going to knock over all the pieces, defecate on the board and then strut around like it won the game.
Pigeon.
@@lorettaoverholt8038 thanks for that, I didn't realize I had spelt it wrong lol. I have updated to fix the spelling :-)
You can’t argue logically with positions reached without logic.
@@danpreston564 But you sure can argue illogically, you can make them believe in a conspiracy theory that the real aliens are making up all the other conspiracy theories to weaken the planet or something like that, just appeal to their emotions and wishes of hidden knowledge instead of their logic and manipulate them to your wi... i mean correct their incorrect beliefs.
You are absolutely right, its futile trying to discuss anything with these people. Even when you debunk their theory and present them with evidence to prove what they think isn't real, they cling to their belief.
Then they usually start calling you names and saying you should think independently 🙄🙈
College probably was where I shifted my thinking too. Just being in a different environment allowed me to look at things from new perspectives and realize I'm not always the center of every problem
@@hellohello-tp4mb Critical thinking is not common sense.
So College made you Liberal
Colleges are dominated by the left, so that's no surprise
No surprise there. You got brainwashed by an inherently leftist institution
wow, didn’t think this would come from you, but it’s neat to see how your mindset changed over the years. great video, lighting beautiful as usual
"It's definitely safer to wear a seatbelt, but because someone told me to, I'm not going to do it!" Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face...
I was raised deeply conservative, and I use to have some seriously questionable ideas about how the world works. I agree that the bubble effect applies to a large extent, but there's also the issue with how our education system has been warped over the last few decades. Anything requiring creative thinking (art, music, etc.) is considered unnecessary, leaving only the rigidity of the "memorize and regurgitate" model. Having found my way out of that mindset, I've been able to notice that many of the ideas of the right wing are short, easy to remember, and constantly repeated. Memorize and regurgitate, just as they were taught to do. What's correct isn't as important as what feels right, when it comes from someone you trust. Questioning it often doesn't even enter into the equation because it's just the default position for them. Thanks for this video. It's always nice to see others who have learned how to move on from how they were raised. :)
Its sad that the conservatives disencourage education and critical thinking. I have never seen a Trump supporter at my college or Univeristy, it sucks that they are so wraped in their thinking we can't even have academic/intellectual conversations about our nation.
Not to mention, rural red states do not have education on the forefront of their priorities. Most people come from schools that teach curriculum with extremely skewed perspectives of slavery or American Imperialism as just a few random examples.
The Christian Coalition and similar groups targeted school boards back in the 80s to change curriculum and text books. And right wing Libertarian Republican politics cheered the idea of defunding schools.
It's all related.
Robber Barons somehow became Captains of Industry between 1983 and 1997....
I know it's just his light reflecting off the window but for the night setup I will continue to make it a moon in my mind.
I shot this at 3:30-5 so welcome to winter in England
Nahh it's just the hidden planet
Haha glad im not the only one who saw the moon 😆 or hidden planet???? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔😄
Visiting other countries and experiencing cultures (for longer than just a holiday/vacation) should be mandatory imo
A lot of people can't afford that though. I'd be all for it if holidays are government subsidized
@@adambyrne1201 yea I know. Every country has the issue of cultural insensitivity and forming extremist political echo chambers, but I think it's become most prominent in large countries (USA, Russia, China) because you don't need to leave the country (and the culture) to experience a different geographic environment away from home. Add to that the cost of international flights for water locked countries that can't easily land-travel to other countries and you increase the effect yet again. The United States has done an incredible job at unifying such a large
(geographical and population wise) country's culture together it also unintentionally created a larger echo chamber for conspiracy theorists to thrive in.
I don't believe there is a solution. Not even government subsidised holidays will really help.
I don't think it needs to be mandatory, but a culture thing. I live in New Zealand - which, realistic, is one of the hardest and most expensive places to travel from, but many people still do because we devolped a culture around it. Often not even for holidays, but for several years in their 20s people will go work overseas. All my cousins have done it for instance, some several times. However, not everyone will be able to afford this, which is its own problem
@@elizabethnahu3422 just as political as cultural - there would need to be visas designed for this like NZ has, and some countries are far too anti-immigration to allow that
@@beng6044 yeah, but far cheaper then paying for + maybe will be easier to enforce because making people go on holiday is a treat to their free will
The US political system, tax system, prison system, and everything else is pretty flawed.
Louder for the people who forget to blame lobbyists in the back please!
And so if every other system.
To be fair everything in every Country is pretty Flawed too.
A reminder again for americans, being a "liberal" isn't the same as being on the left lol
Edit: Please stop telling me about politics in the comments to this lol
Being a liberal doesn't mean you're left wing in America, either. It just means you're not AS far right-wing as the GOP, who are VERY right-wing. The closest thing to the 'left wing' in mainstream American politics are social democrats like Bernie Sanders and AOC, and in most of the rest of the world that's the center, or even center-right.
Welcome to the American two-party system. We have:
Right
Middle
@@SavageGreywolf Bernie is as leftwing as the most extreme big "rightwing" political party in Norway. In other words, still leftist, but not much.
@@beef_baby Sorry you don't, you have a right wing party and a bat shit crazy extremist right wing party.
@@gazw2100 I guess so, in that case, we have:
Far Right
Right
It makes me sad that my granny believes in crazy conspiracy theories and doesn't believe that climate change exists. It makes me sad that I get angry when she visits us and that I can't just enjoy her company.
Don't talk to her about it. Leave it alone. No point in trying to change very old people's opinions. Getting worked up over it won't help anyone. Just ignore it if she opens up those topics. Laugh it off and let her have her ideas. I've learned that things like that are losing battles, and I just get myself worked up over nothing.
However, these climate activists do greatly exaggerate and love to shout and scream instead of actually doing something to help the planet. Yes, we know the planet's not doing too good, but they're not suggesting anything constructive-- nothing sensible, anyway.
@@Nightwatcher20 Climate activists don't have the power to change our planet. They're shouting and screaming so world leaders who have the power to make changes can hear them.
@@ellacummings4493 but they do have the influence on individual people. They could make a massive difference if they focused on educating people on what lifestyle choices they could make (e.g. recycling, shopping locally, less consumerism etc.), but instead climate activists focus on "solutions" that will only destroy the economy and then the world will end up in chaos... such as endorsing the Green New Deal, which costs an *initial* estimated $93 trillion.
@@Nightwatcher20 Okay, I'm not going to argue with you because this will just go on forever.
“If it really were the best course of action, people would do it freely”
One of those core life lessons that are part of becoming an adult is understanding that this is in no way true 😄
Thank you for this fantastic video to help explain how once perfectly-reasoned people wind up in such dark spaces.
Right otherwise alcoholics, drug users, gamblers etc wouldn't exist either
Are you thus saying Evan's dad isn't an adult, simply because he's missed off one of these "core life lessons"?
@@mastertrams oh, there’s plenty of adults who haven’t learned their core life lessons - I’m watching a news clip right now about grown people in a small U.S. town literally praying for an end to COVID - while refusing the free vaccine and refusing masks. Pretty much the same sort of lesson from this very video.
Hell, I didn’t learn my lessons about properly managing money until I was in my 30s, so even I missed a few until later on.
If there's a rule for it, there's probably a reason.
When we went to New Orleans, my mom and step-dad had Bill Engvall playing through the car radio.
He was doing his, "Here's your Sign" skit.
Perfectly sums up the seatbelt law
When he mentioned European media speaking about divided USA I thought he was going to say it is not so bad. Shocking to hear it is much more worse.
Lets just say that there is a solid 15% of Americans who are quite...... questionable about what they do or don't believe.
I've been keeping tabs on the USA for a very long time. There are some very notable cracks between Americans, with a sizeable proportion of her population divorced from reality, and are belligerent about it.
@@robertgronewold3326 Crazy beliefs on both sides!
@@Catlily5 Well, I was putting all the crazy people into a single category.
Well considering that it is officially being debated to use military forces to ensure trumps victory without any Alarm bells ringing that should be concerning. If that doesn’t scream a path towards dictatorship I don’t know what does.
Wow! I have so much respect for you for changing and allowing change. For listening to others and being open enough to not dismiss ideas that went contrary to what you were comfortable with. This was a surprising and very important video. Thanks for that!
He really hit the nail on the head with the "I'm smarter than everyone" bit - I too was very close to falling down several conspiracy rabbit holes
Father Evan: That my son is why I don't wear seatbelts
Son Evan: WAT
Funny thing is that this particular train of thought is not just on the republican side. there are democrats that think this too.
This is unironicly why I don't wear a bicycle helmet. Even though it's legally required in Australia
@@beatrix1120 Why do you do that when you know it's a terrible idea and makes you sound really dumb? Are you just a really paranoid person who gets panic attacks when someone tells you to do even really simple things, or do you have self-esteem issues that cause you to feel like you need to assert yourself in nonsensical ways just for the sake of being needlessly contradictory? Or is it about trust issues because, for most of your life, you've been surrounded by people who are just really untrustworthy and bad examples in everything to the point where you now instinctively distrust even the most basic things anybody ever says to do? Or are you just one of those people who routinely do stupid things thinking that it will make you look smart just for being different from everyone? Gah, people like you break my brain! I can never figure out which of many things is the real thing that's wrong with you!
I know that's a tirade against you, but honestly, this petty stuff for no reason just blows my mind. If you really want to be independent-minded, why can't you just do some simple things right because they are the right things to do, regardless of whether you were told to or not? If you intentionally make every single petty decision in your life the wrong one just to stick it to whoever is telling you the right thing to do, you're still basing every little aspect of your life on someone else's decisions, just in kind of a reverse or negative way. Why not just make the decision yourself based on what the right thing to do is, regardless of who said it, and if it happens to agree with "the man" or whoever you're trying to stick it to, who cares?
@@tracychristenson177 I believe that everyone should have the right to decide for themselves, what risks are acceptable in their day to day life; as long as they're not jeopardizing the health or safety of other people.
For example, my brother rides a motorcycle. Motorbikes are about 38 times more lethal than cars. I would never ride one for this reason. I've even told my brother this. But I still don't think I have the the right to force him to stop.
@@tracychristenson177 Because it's not annoying, especially in the summer. If you are just commuting, I don't see why you would wear a helmet. All serious cyclist do of course wear it. But for just riding around at low speed, no, i'll take the extra risk.
It's safer, yes, but by that logic you can abolish all extreme sports. Law's to protect other people are OK, laws that protect only yourself are not necessary. I drive a motorcycle, and since a couple of years you have to wear full protective gear when doing so here in belgium. When I was driving around in Italy people where riding along in shorts and T-shirts. That looked so much less stifling and sweaty, It looked so much more fun. I miss the time when I was allowed to do that. Now fireworks are abolished here too. I really liked setting off fireworks. It's like one by one they are taking away things I liked in the name of public health.
I miss the days when it was considered a “joke” and it was “hilarious” to be a conspiracy theorist. 😓
Yeah I have a friend who thinks Trump was hiding mailboxes to impact the election. Crazy conspiracies out there.
@@juliehansen5696 more like Trump actually reduces funding for the USPS right before an election that had massive mail in turnout after making sure his base voted in person in a majoritarian fashion
@@truedarklander except that’s not actually true. I know you want it to be because CNN and the WaPo reported on it like it was but it’s just a silly conspiracy theory. ( I guess my friend isn’t the only one who believes it). Funding for USPS has been set for years and has been decreasing because use has been decreasing as people use web services for.
Also, the President doesn’t even have that power. Congress sets the budget.
@@juliehansen5696 You're putting the thumb in the scale by ignoring the fact that the postmaster general is appointed by the president and answers to the president, and he controls where the money goes. Very tiny detail that's hugely important
@@truedarklander but he doesn’t. It has to be approved by Congress.
If you believe this silly post office conspiracy, you’re no better than those that believe the election was stolen.
Wearing a seatbelt is actually safer for everyone else, a human hurtling through a windscreen in an accident can actually kill someone else, even if that person was sensible enough to wear a seatbelt.
As always, your freedom to be an idiot doesn't trump the safety of others
My anatomy teacher showed the class slides of a crash victim with teeth lodged into the back of their head who was killed because the backseat passenger wasn't wearing a seatbelt.
i see what you did there
Yeah, they don't understand that. I'm really tired of living in a red state where people will say they'll fight for their social security, but don't think socialist ideas work.
@@ELCinWYO some work others don't.
@@johnnychandler325 I know that, what I was saying is that they don't understand that it is a socialist idea.
It can be hare to realise your in an echo chamber if your used to the echoes. Many people won't realise their parroting other people's arguments until they finally meet someone who says no
Yes. I don’t like right echo chambers, but left echo chambers can be terrible as well, I’ve been in both... 😬🙈 I have no idea in which echo chamber I am now...
@AllGuts NoGlory for me it's the right that's more scary. The left echo Chambers a typically limited to the college kids and social media types. Whereas the right ones are actually influencing policy. Weren't there like 3 or so q anon people that got voted In let alone all the people who believe trump won the election.
@AllGuts NoGlory trans people got voted in.. To do what. To serve their community while being trans? You don't see the difference between that and electing people who believe in q anon. Oh which reminds me one of the qanon guys got caught with possession of the porn he was advocating against. Not to mention most charities that focus on kids disavow qanon and sey they are doing more harm than good to what they purportedly care about. But yes a trans politician is equivalent to those people.
Hmm trump the separate kids at the border guy. The one who has never had any compunction about jumping from point to point if it meant he came ahead did something self serving? Colour me shocked.
Not gonna engage in the immigration debate. If you want there are plenty of pros and cons that can be discussed rationally. Nothing to do with the echo Chambers unless you wanna reach.
Damn I mean that's your take away? As long as they look like you, you don't care where they come from but if they look different they don't belong? Thanks for unmasking yourself took only a single comment.
I know of only one echo chamber that is myself, for i still have to encounter someone with the same ideology as me who belives that a utopian ai powered robo-communist global state that micromanages each aspect of each individual lives with the machines being both masters and slaves to humanity run the goverment automatically to maximize happines and human life without a will of their own, eventually the robo comunist government would develop FTL space travel and conquer all the universe for us humans while we relax seeing how all other species in the universe get enslaved.
Basically, i want the means of production to own themselves, to own us, to run the government, and to serve us with a space-imperialist agenda.
I read this as: "So I used to be a reptilian"
Understandable
Me too
And just like that a new left conspiracy of people on the right being reptilians was made.
This video turned the frogs gay.
So, this has made me think a bit. I'm from the UK- so this will all be UK politics based. I've had two really close friends who've been properly conservative (I've also had the same core friend group for like 5 years and most of them are politically apathetic the rest of them are left leaning- like I am) I enjoy political debate and argument and so I've been happy to talk and chat with them. One of them had come from a all boys school, was a member of the conservatives and used to canvas for them. They came to our mixed sixth form, in a more diverse area, where several of the students including close friends were out. We used to have heated political debates and some of them got quite heated. But over the time that we were friends his opinions started changing. Jokes he used to think were funny just became awkward and he stopped making them. I'm not so close any more with uni and life- but when I saw them just after the election they hadn't voted conservative, they'd voted lib dem. They were never going to be fully left wing, but had changed their mind about several things.
The other person I was close with who was a conservative I met at uni. We also had a lot of political conversations often they'd bring up various vague sources and if I asked for more detail they'd say they didn't have them to hand. Fair enough. If I bought up a source they wouldn't believe it was real until I bought it up on my phone. I'd send him a link but they said they couldn't be bothered and that I was nagging. Having studied politics at school sometimes I'd bring up political theory and they'd say it wasn't relevant because it only mattered what the public thought. I'd say that doesn't make it true but they'd refuse to listen. The clinching points in that friendship were two things. When we had a debate and got to the nitty gritty of a point and they told me to my face- Human lives don't have intrinsic value. Nothing has value. You only value people's lives because you think you have to. I'm happy for people to die if it makes my life easier.
That was such a shift in value system to me. To think Human lives are worthless.
The other clinching point is when we argued again and they'd often say things and I'd rephrase them slightly and they'd say 'That's not what I said' - but also never clarify. Again and again and again.
This person I stopped being friends with- for other behaviour too, but partly because I realised that they''d never listen to me and refused to ever challenge themselves. So yes, please do have open and candid conversations with people- especially if you disagree. I've changed my opinions about certain things through being challenged by friends. But also don't put your time and emotions into talking to someone who refuses to respect you, because at the end of the day they aren't really your friend. (sorry for the rant)
Oh lord, the fact right wingers don't value human life hits close to home. I literally can't wrap my head around it. I once point-blank asked my brother "Don't you think it's unfair that some people are condemned to a life of poverty just because the conditions of their birth, and that homeless people freeze to death on the streets of the richest countries on earth?"
He literally shrugged, and said "It's not my fault they're homeless". It's fucking sociopathic.
@@elee522 "we are all here due to survival of the fittest" well, and collaboration in your group species. It is funny how people always forget collaboration. It is essential for a species to survive. If it is only survival of the fittest, the flaw in this logic is quite basic and then there were none. Nature is competitive and collaborative.
The problem with government in general is that it is a necessary evil. Some people feel one side is better at playing that role. Sadly opinions like anti-science anti-global warming are not mainstream views but that is what is spread about the right in mass media. But on the other hand we are also told that the left are a bunch of whining group of lazy adults who never surpassed adolescence and expect everything handed to them on a plate. It’s crazy that just because you prefer one group of people over another that you are seen as an enemy and do not have any intellect or reasoning. Just yesterday I, a right wing leaning Libertarian (I support the conservatives because I support about 20% more of their policies compared to Labour but only 15% more than the Lib Dems) and I happen to enjoy watching Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson for a laugh, to my ‘friends’ or to be more correct people I thought were open minded enough to accept a difference of opinion so was friends with them, to my friends I then embody everything wrong in the world and support everything that those people say. Just yesterday we were discussing university, one of these students said she wanted to be a teacher so that she could teach kids not to be like me, so they don’t like capitalism or anything right of the aisle. I’m not saying that the conservatives have the solution to everything but I think they are slightly better than their opposition with the task of being a necessary evil. However by having this opinion as oppose to their opinion I am somehow the scum of the earth. Tolerance only works if it goes both ways.
@@elee522 if you haven't drank up a litre of bleach by now to decrease your carbon footprint for the good of the survival of this planet, then you probably value your own life. Thus, you now have to justify why YOUR life has inherent value, while others' do not. Failing that, you must accept that all life has the same value, and if you're not willing to take your own, you cannot justify taking another's.
@@elee522 Well you certainly aren’t one of fittest. “Fit” doesn’t just include physical strength or how much you possess it just means how well adapted you are to your environment in order to survive. One of the most essential ways our species has evolved to reign our planet the way it does today is though is improved social intelligence which some people and maybe even you don’t possess, the same people some have wisdom teeth and some don’t, so with that being said fuck your entire gene pool💕💕
We need to normalise changing your mind and admitting you were wrong
There is a documentary called "The Brainwashing of my Dad" about an otherwise Kennedy lovin' democrat who listened to too much talk radio and got lost in the Alt Right sinkhole. Worth a watch.
@photag216 Not sure... you will have to google.
Why do you assume that brainwashing ONLY happens on the right? This video, and the comments, seem to imply that the truly enlightened are on the left, once they get away from the right wing bubble. If you don't realize that just as easily you can have a Republican parent listen to "too much" NPR be brainwashed toward the left, then you're not as tolerant or open minded as you think.
@@tomservo75 You sound defensive.
@@ThatOneGuy0006 Whatever.
Cults, by their very nature are quite compelling, especially for those looking to belong, wish they were more educated, and assorted barriers of entry to the life they wish they had...i have a secret knowledge idea...Read books, particularly Histories and Biographies. Following such a despotic, Cult of Personality fool will get one nowhere. Once they get from one what they want, one are used up spent jet-trash to them.
the lighting looks stunning btw :)
Thank :)
But the little light people!!
I had this happen with my uncle. I had to do a school project on conspiracy theories and I decided to look into a right-wing Conspiracy and I was telling him about it and he said “do you believe it?” And I said “no” because That’s the conclusion I had come to and my uncle just shook his head like I was some poor little child who was to dumb to understand the real world. It was a really weird moment because my uncle is a pretty level-headed dude and I was really surprise he believed in it since I thought it was pretty cut and dry.
@Gurnaj Virk it’s a political conspiracy and I’d rather not have this reply section turn into a political debate. That’s why I didn’t name the conspiracy in the first place (No, it’s not Q-anon or anything like that)
"Truck Driver"
I immediately yelled out Rush Limbaugh. Disappointed, but not surprised.
When he said radio, I straight away knew.
During the Me Too movement my step father, who raised four girls and would have never said such insane things, said ‘well, women wear thongs, make up, and read Fifty Shades of Grey, so they must want the attention’....
My mom used to be extremely apolitical, to the point where it was like part of her identity to never involve herself in politics. But then over the last 10-ish years, ever since she joined facebook, she's become slowly more and more radicalized by her group of friends (one of her friends is a conservative member of parliament) to the point where she now is very conservative. She now believes a lot of things that she used to believe the opposite of and is an angrier person overall. She used to think for herself and base her beliefs on her own moral conclusions and now she just parrots all the same popular right-leaning phrases.
I wish there was something I could do about it, it makes me so sad. I feel like it's my fault because it was my idea to get her an iPad which is what facilitated her going on facebook all day. I try to explain to her why I disagree with some of the things she says, but it causes us to argue sometimes and I feel like I'm the only dissenting voice in her life compared to so many that agree with the conservative worldview that it's not enough. Older generations also have a tendency to write off the opinions of younger generations thanks to "lack of experience", so that doesn't help. I think it's a lost cause.
@@monkiram I am sorry to hear that. I hope that she comes around at some point.
@@monkiram my dad is like that but on the opposite end. If it weren't for me, my siblings, and my mom he would definitely be those old right-winger parrots... But instead he's just the same but doesn't like Trump, parroting left wing arguments without really understanding them and constantly putting down "the other side"
First time ever watching your videos and 16secs in i wanted to subscribe. Just due to the speed, and light comedic tones in the first few sentences.
Thank
My parents watch OANN...yeah. I’ll leave it at that. I’ve tried talking to them about politics but it’s just so tiring. I keep my distance from them for other personal reasons too, like me being bisexual.
I once went on a few dates with this guy who said some really racist things about my own race who didn’t know that it was racist. I called him out on it and he didn’t even realize it was harmful. I really do think we need to speak up, not in a cruel way, but just let them know. If people don’t know they’re being hurtful, how will they know and learn?
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Yeaaaahhhhh my parents were super racist. And sometimes shit comes out of my mouth that I had no idea was racist.
This is something people absolutely need to hear. Growing up in that environment and going back to it now. It's insane. And it's so damningly hard to argue with people like this.
Bro, that feeling you described about having "special knowledge" is part of what cults provide. This kind of thing runs deep in many political circles but its a staple on the right because religion is already part of the infrastructure on the right. Breaking that kind of conditioning is hard to do, so congrats.
As a small child I remember picking up on the fact that mom would lock the door when in a “bad neighborhood” because it was “dangerous” as if a black person would attempt to snatch us from a moving vehicle 🙄. I remember being at the park at five years old and a kind black girl my age was trying to play with me and I was genuinely scared. Mom and I have come a long way. My older sister (born from my mother) is half black. It is not impossible to be racist with a black child and with a black man. We have all grown very much growing up. We are all very much not republican and very much anti-racist. But yes as a child my own beliefs and opinions were formed off of my parent and grandparents beliefs and opinions. Because as a child you do not question what authority figures may say because they’re always right. Right?
Shouldent you always lock the door?
@@Patrick-sz7uk A few weeks ago, a sketchy white lady tried to open the door of the car in front of me at a red light. And when she found out that door was locked, she moved on to my car. So, yes, lock your car doors no matter where you are, cuz anyone at any time could go neurotic. 😬
Because as a child you do not question what authority figures may say because they’re always right. Right?
And that is why religion still exists to this day...
Why do so many racist white people have biracial children? It's disgusting. The poor girl has to grow up knowing her own mother was a racist. Absolutely disturbing.
@@seanhoare7639 so true
I'm privately educated, surrounded by tories all my life. All it did was make me more 'left'. I guess i was the rebel 😂
I live in Canada, where my province is known as "The Texas of Canada", and our Premier is the Trump of Canada. Each year I have moved more and more to the left- so much so that I get called a socialist now- it's glorious.
@@youtubeaccount1718 That's not what they're actually like but sure go off
@@horseygirlsec25 just curiosity, which province is Texas of Canada?
In my experience, lots of people at private schools are actually left-leaning and/or fully left wing, especially when said private school is in a dodgy area and teaches its students to think critically. Contrary to popular belief, they're not actually full of ultra-rich and ignorant elitists.
@@horseygirlsec25 it is mind boggling that someone beeing or beeing called a socialist is something dirty in North America
This is literally my same exact problem. I was raised by conspiracy theorists and it scared me spitless to hear things my parents were saying.
I think it was a retired Norwegian professor who said in his wisdom: Some people I have been very disagreeing with, have been right. I think that is a very good and deep wisdom and acknowledgment.
The irony of reality is that everyone has a different perception of it.
Dude, your story is like my story only my dad died and I'd listen to those programs religiously to feel a connection. I remember the moment I realized I didn't have a single opinion that was my own and it was because I finally dared to disagree about something. It blew my mind.
Hey Evan. I meant to put this on your last video. I honestly feel like through the comments and your videos you are a friend of mine. Obviously not someone I'm very close with but when you open about your insecurities or are honest with your struggles or even just show your flat mates it makes me feel not so alone. You and your content and has helped me a lot over the years. You genuinely seem like an incredible person.
I cannot stress this enough : Speak to people who are different to you, there is no limit to what you will learn and how much more kind and empathetic you can become.
I'd like to agree, but many "different" people are just people who waste your time. The chances of you getting through to somebody who genuinely believes Obama is hiding a planet from us by creating more clouds is close to zero. I have nothing to learn from this person. And all I can do is hope they eventually come back to reality.
@@Ray03595 but after a while of talking with them you will notice that it was never about logic and that the origin of the belief lies somewhere completely else, that your entire approach to it was ineffective because it never touched the matter and therefore you learned something about what people lead into this way of thinking and how to actually go about it...but that will only happen if you go into the conversation trying to understand before you are trying to convince. Otherwise it will be a waste of time, because you never intended to have a conversation but only intended to be the smarter one, trying to show someone whilst the other person is trying to be the smarter one trying to show you something...neither of both sides have actually been doing what OP (as I assume, can’t look into their head) tried to get through by saying you need to speak to people in order to learn and raise their empathy (and general understanding of how people actually work) but instead only talked to over-talk the other.
As a bartender (pre-pandemic), I completely agree with you. I was always super interested in other cultures and foreign languages since I was about 5 or 6, and my parents raised me to treat others how I would like to be treated, so I had a pretty solid base. But I have to say that my bartending career REALLY emphasized the values of interpersonal relations. It’s actually my favorite part of the job, getting to talk to people from all walks of life. Different backgrounds, races, faiths, jobs, outlooks, etc. And I’ve worked everywhere from dive bars, resort hotel, restaurant, club, most recently an airport. You can’t believe all the amazing conversations I’ve had! Of course, MANY times I don’t agree about something, or anything, but because I’m on the job, it behooves me to keep things pleasant and friendly. It taught me that I can get along with just about anybody, even when I don’t like them, for the most part. I just have to find the thing I do like, and relate on that level. It also taught me that it’s possible to dislike someone, but still interact in a civil way, or even get along.
I like your comment bc it reminds us that everybody has a story!
Man this resonated with me. I was a psych major at a university know for being very conservative and came out the other side as a liberal. It's not universities, it's life experience that made me the way I am.
the best piece of advice i've ever gotten came from my college chemistry teacher. when you look at something, ask yourself, "does this make sense?" i tell ppl that all the time and they're all probably sick of me, but i will continue to do so until ppl learn to use their common sense again. lol
The same thing happens in the UK with tabloids and grandparents, then it all kicks of at Christmas
Yeah, its certainly a lot less an issue this side the Atlantic though. Its not as extreme.
Here in ireland tabloids are the problem too but they don't have even a fraction of the power the right wing media has in the US
@@shanehughes3511 it’s crazy because here in Ireland if you’re one of those conspiracy right wingers you probably didn’t get that from some Irish news or tabloid really but probably got it just from listening to American alt right commentators and American news and media which shows how powerful the US media is when they’re hundreds of miles away
Have to say extreme-right wing cults are sort of growing everywhere globally. Which is extremely depressing. I do think the US having a president that encouraged it allowed it to grow EVERYWHERE. But for me what has been scary has been sort of realizing that those cult like conspiracies are not only everywhere, but they have *been* around for ages. Is just now that hate groups feel strong enough to be super loud and proud of it publicly. But they’ve been there.
@@shanehughes3511Bud the far right in the US is very very bad, however there are also issues on the left as well. Insular bubbles with increasingly extreme positions are a problem for both sides limiting either sides ability to unite and understand one another. Eliminating critical thinking, external sources of new information and accountability. All elements of the media, social media and our selves on that and this side of the pond are to blame for that.
Apologies, rant over 😂.
Its weird cos my granda believes everything in the paper but he’s actually educated on a lot of stuff but he’ll still believe any old shite
I also used to be way more economically liberal and politically right wing than I currently am. Having to deal with a right wing government during a pandemic showed me the error of my ways.
It's all good dude. People can grow and change. Makes us human. Better late than never to burst through that bubble. But yea our government response during the pandemic was abysmal to say the least.
i'm right outta The Enlightenment, that's why so many american religious, economic and political conservatives don't like me. then again, "progressives" and i have an especially deep mutual loathing.
Your blaming the right? How so?
h1n1 was such a non event in my country, that only now i discovered they vaccinated 45% of the population in 3 months, and that is why i dont even remember how bad it was, it wasn't bad at all
This is one of the most important videos that you've made. I wish that everyone would watch it.
I was thinking the same thing. Would be nice if I could actually get my sister to watch it, but she’s too far gone at this point. Pretty much half of the U.S. is living in an alternate universe with very little connection to reality.
I love how it looks like the moon is staring in your window
It’s the hidden planet!
I grew up with grandparents teaching me to be sceptical of things and question everything and to only listen if other people can give solid proof backed by facts and scientific evidence along with legit sources and the data they have.
I don't and can't believe something that is based off of a conversation.
It's stuff like this that genuinely makes me have so much respect for Evan. Additionally, it's stuff like this that makes me genuinely want to learn more about political views that oppose my own. Kudos, for inspiring your audience to grow, and to always keep learning
God that was some beautiful nuance. You verbalised feelings that I have just never been able to express in this video and frankly it was quite cathartic. Good job Evan.
my parents thought my catholic high school made me more leftist even though it just came from having an education and meeting foreign exchange students from all over the world
Yooo, Gerard Way PFP, epic.
Love the point you're making Evan and completely agree. However, I do feel this was very focused on people on the right / republicans having lost their ability for critical thought (just naturally I guess as you have moved from right-ish to left) but I do think it's important to note that this also very much happens the other way. The left are moving further and further to the left (at least the vocal twitter mob seem to be) and the vast majority of people who sit somewhere in the centre of the aisle and always considered themselves left wing before are left feeling politically homeless, confused and are 'exiled' in a sense if you don't 100% agree with whatever woke cause is trending on twitter today. Conversation and critical thought is key from everyone all along the political spectrum but also the ability to accept differences in people's viewpoints/priorities when voting and being able to agree to disagree and still get a long is so rare these days.
Thanks for the video. I was raised in a very right-wing religious family in the midwestern U.S. Church three times a week, no movies, no dances, nonchristian music wasn't allowed. As a young adult, I was a republican. Like you said experiencing life and talking with others changed me. Going out seeing the world for myself scared the crap out of me. The fear the church puts into many of these people so ingrained it is hard to escape. I would see everything in the world as something assaulting the good Christian morals blah blah blah.
However, it became impossible to reconcile what I had been old about certain people and how those "out to get me, America and God" people actually treated me. More and more I found these vilified groups were just everyday people trying to make the best for themselves and their families. I agree with you that this situation is much worse than we see on the news. It saddens me to see so many of my friends go down this dark path I grew up on.
The left seems to expect people to be of perfect political lineage and often will have purest tendencies like I experienced when I was on the right. Although having been on both sides I think the right by far acts out on more extremist behaviors and today are far a greater threat to American freedoms than the left I do see how the left could become just a purest. Critical thinking is needed more than ever.
I love you’re freely talking about this, I think specifically in America there is this you’re on our side or their side. It really annoys me when people jump down people’s throats for not 100% agreeing with them. It’s tribalism really
You've hooked me in lol spill the beans
here we go
But not on the toast, never on the toast.
@@lucie4185 always on the toast
@@sunnybunny6275 well maybe with some melted cheese.
@@lucie4185 I love a good toasty with beans and melted cheese inside 😋
Evan being the ‘I’m not like other girls’ 😂😂
This is so well articulated. I've wrapped my head around this for a long time but you describe it so well.
I really love how you explained this. I have been working on being more open minded in my (socialist) beliefs and this really helps explain where people on the right side of the political spectrum are coming from. I live in two pretty liberal bubbles (DC suburbs and Portland, Oregon) in otherwise red states so this really resonates with me. Keep up with the important topics that you care about because they are so good and informative and you seem really passionate which makes it soooo much more enjoyable to watch
I remember being astonished to discover that, except for one friend of mine, everyone else in my eighth grade honors class rejected evolution.
I never gave a single shit about politics for a majority of my life until recently when my father dove head first into the election was stolen conspiracies and pushed me to really start looking into what was going on. To this day he thinks it was stolen and whenever I try to push back and have him watch sources that aren’t blatantly republican and conservative he always tell me that of course they aren’t talking about it, they got it and now they have to keep everyone’s mind off it so they don’t get caught. It’s honestly terrifying to see so many people falling into such wild conspiracies and that it’s becoming the norm here.
I didn't care about politics for the longest time either until I realized I was gay and I kinda have to pay attention now cause like, my rights are at stake or somethin :')
I don't like it I wish I could go back to ignoring everyone with their politics and insane takes
I miss not understanding how Insane my stepmom is
Yeahh.. ignorance is bad.... but I'm allowed SOME pointless unreasonable wishing sometimes
I assume that admitting to once being Republican is the equivalent of a Scotsman admitting they voted Tory? 😁😂🤣
I don’t get that cuz the Tory party isn’t as right wing as the Republican Party. Biden would be a Tory if he lived here.
@@George-bb9kr Well Biden is actually pretty right wing even in America. Boris Johnson is similar to Biden on some things but more right/left wing on other things so it’s hard to compare. But yes, the UK is generally more left so people like Trump seem very right wing.
I haven't watched a RUclips video in days cos I have been binging a series... But I had to watch this
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"Where's my bloody blood!" I'm dying, here.
I have never been this early damn - love the lighting as usual :)
I’ve been actively answering questions (no matter how rude) about my disabilities and sexuality for my entire life, and I’m so tired. I’m only 22, but I’m so tired. Yeah sometimes I open eyes. But most of the time I get threatened, ridiculed, and scared. I want to raise awareness and help the next generation so they don’t have to do this as much. But honestly, I’m struggling to keep up with myself. I’m tired of fearing for my and my loved one’s safety. My wish for this world before I die is for politics and human rights to finally be seen as separate things. I just want the freedom that my republican parents promised me as a child. I want the home that America promised me.
If you’re a republican reading this, remember that the far right ideals against lgbt people, disabled people, and people of color aren’t just affecting your jobs or taxes. Its killing people. Every day. I’m tired of being so scared. And I’m tired of watching my loved ones die. Please stop the cycle. You can be republican. I don’t care if you tax me to death or make petty China take their pandas back or whatever. I just want to be free.
Dang, that's rough. As someone with a physical disability I'm just glad I live in a country with a way better political system that caters to the majority of voters without being either extreme end (government is always somewhere around the middle).
Hopefully everyone can some day enjoy a political system that pursues a healthy living environment for the majority (both left & right wing parties).
I’m republican, and I’m sorry you have to go through that. I just want you to know we hate the people on the alt right just as much as the left does.
@@hellohello-tp4mb what tf is wrong with you?
@@benjaminramsey498 the Chinese government uses loans of Pandas to zoos around the world, to try and influence governments to pass pro Chinese policies. Does it work, not even vaguely. Is this the reason Edinburgh zoo lost a successful breeding program, yes. XD
@@maxhughes7810 Well, it's nice to hear that but many of your counterparts chose NOT to openly debate with the more right-wing members of your party, thereby implictly agreeing with the stuff they spew...
It's always such a hopeful thing, to hear people talk about how they changed and grew.
This reminds me of when the 2015 general elections were going on, I was in primary school and me an my friends where talking about our political beliefs (as 10 year olds !) and I was talking about how voting for the conservatives was a good idea. Most of my friends disagreed so I grabbed a white board and started going around school asking teachers who they were going to vote for, most of them said labor and then asked why I thought voting Tory was good and I couldn't think of a reason, my Dad just kept on talking about how he was going to vote Tory so I copied. I look back at that and cringe even though I'm 15 now I feel like I am becoming my own person with separate political beliefs than my parents.
I mean, thankfully, that isn't as problematic. I'm sure most of those people in school didn't have fully-formed political views in support of Labour either. Just being a Tory isn't bound up in conspiracy theories in the same way a lot of the views he talks about in the video are. There are intellectually robust, ideologically consistent reasons to be on the right, just as on the left, and it's difficult not to pick up ideological tendencies from your parents.
Personally, I had the opposite experience. My Mother is pretty far left, I grew up with Robin Hood parables, a general view that we should nationalise _everything_ and that Margaret Thatcher was the devil incarnate. She wasn't trying to brainwash me, it was just there. She also isn't into conspiracies - her views are entirely rational and internally consistent. I just drifted towards the centre-left over the years as I realised politics was more nuanced and the good governance tends to be more important than ideology (within reason).
Having any political beliefs at 10 is a good start. Being capable at 15 of realising that maybe you weren't a fully formed political entity, and were just being influenced by outside opinion without any further context is actually impressive. I suppose the only thing I'd add is that it is important not to tie yourself to a party identity (whether Labour, Tory, Lib Dem or any other), but rather cast your vote for those you feel would best represent you, not for a colour of rosette. I'm broadly a little right of centre politically, but have at various times in various elections voted Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Green, and even for Independents on a few occasions. I have very little patience for people who always vote blindly for the same party every time, whatever the merits of their platform, or the candidates involved, because that is not how democracy works. It is how democracy dies
@@merrymachiavelli2041 I would say that to be a Tory is actually pretty tame in comparison to the beliefs shared in the video. Especially when you're talking 2015
As a person coming from the rural U.S., I identify with this so much. The bubble is real.
Completely agree with you on how our interaction with people outside our normal social circle could widen our views on the world..
I, myself, definitely had mine changed when I moved from Malaysia to Ireland 17 years ago.. and will continue to improve as years go by..
I knew it was Rush Limbo as soon as you said "he listened to a lot of radio" lol and I'm from Italy (although I'm very intrested in US politics and history, so maybe that's why I knew it was him lol)
“I know things other people don’t /I am the smart one/ I am the woke one/this is me/ everyone else is wrong” you were spitting bars there son lol straight 🔥 somebody put a beat on that please
Ever since this pandemic I've started to see that whole conspiracy theory section of society and😂🤦
this video is exactly how I feel. I grew up in a republican family and moved to the "big city" to figure out that I was raised on propaganda
lol, 'Propaganda'? So the single news outlet that didn't run on everything Trump does is evil 'FOX NEWS' is propaganda, but the dozens of pro Democrat ''news'' channels burying the same stories in tandem & using each other as verified sources isn't? hmmm k. There is no way that you are being honest with yourself.
Soo...Joke Biden... promised the gullible youth Student Debt Removal, lmao, Buyers remorse yet?
@@ThatInnerVoiceOfReason and here is an example of the topic of the video. Please do not feed the exhibit. It subsists on a diet of ignorance and lack of self worth.
@@shinon748 quit deflecting the truth. They left wing media lie, they said trump called troops bastards without proof, but Biden on camera said “clap for me you stupid bastards”
@@Rounderyathecruel Congratulations on your stellar example of out of context cherry picking. Yes, Biden _did_ say those words on camera, but he did so in a clearly jocular manner, following a joke and in a speech that was otherwise laden with heaps and heaps of praise for the troops.
Big cities are literally nothing but liberal propaganda. Congrats you played yourself
I had a friend that I hadn't seen for about 5 years, and when I visited him I found that he had gone completely conspiracy nut. He bent my ear for an hour and a half before I stopped him to ask him a couple of questions. I said, suppose you are right? How is it helping you? He didn't have an answer, so I answered for him. It's not helping you. After he told me that government agents were surveilling him while he was doing dishes, I said, good to see you, I gotta go.
Sounds like he has some form of paranoia. Poor guy
There's a moment in Lion Witch and the Wardrobe (the book series) where the anthropomorphic animals discuss watching other animals "become wild" - as if they caught a form of rabies and were no longer recognizable as the same species.
Hearing friends fall down the extreme conspiracy hole always reminds me of that.
Also
Evan spitting bars 10:55
This is in the first book?
@@w1nterdays not the first because there is a prequel but I believe it was in the actual Lion Witch and Wardrobe book (chronologically book 2 of the series)
Love that!
Wow. Evan is the spitting image of his dad.