Jax is A+ for sure u just haven't seen him in tournament, but he does a lot of damage if he decides to use his resources safe pressure even though he has a couple of gaps, good plus frames withe f4 and possibly some of the most easy to get crushing blows that all deal 30-35% damage. The only thing he struggles with are the zoning characters and slippery characters like jade, kabal scorpion, cetrion and scarlet
Scotty Davlin he’s complaining because you have to dash in to land any of his strings after ex nut punch. Not really practical because spending meter should give you combos without having to dash in
I think the problem with sub-zero is that he doesn't have the best variation for tournament play. I rather have creepy ice, frigid ice, and air ability or something else.
Kitana is so much better than people think right now but I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot more of her as time goes on. I'm leaving people feeling helpless and demoralized online. Sometimes they just stop pressing buttons and let me kill them lately. Her back 2 is zero on block which means people who want to block your string can be thrown every time, then, when they get prepared to throw tech, guess what, I'm finishing my string now for a full combo. Both outcomes leave her safe if predicted by the opponent.
@@schroonsjozef If they do that I can just neutral duck. Anything from any character is punishable if you guess right lol. I'm saying it's a fifty fifty set up I use. If they think I'm gonna throw and try to d2, they eat a combo. You must not have fought a skilled Kitana ever. You might as well say Scorpion's teleport is a bad move because you can block punish it.
@@robertdukarm2578 I'm just refuting this claim in your original comment. "Both outcomes leave her safe if predicted by the opponent." In 1 of the 4 possible outcomes ur not safe.
Nice to see frost getting some love. Also nice to hear a well thought out tier list instead of "its ACTUALLY BROKEN" every 5 seconds. Very well done and I do agree with your list. Looking forward to the future content and to see mustard compete some more!
@Scotty Davlin I completely agree. I picked her up and it made me question why everyone thinks she's bad. Is she tough to use? Sure but anything worth doing isn't gonna be easy. I find her very rewarding.
I feel these teir lists that put litterly half the cast as s and a+ arent really aknowledging serious shortcomings of some of these characters. This is a pretty well balanced game outside of the top 3 and bottom 3.
Kollector has very low damage but I've found great success with spare change. His projectile is solid, his fire has some nasty setups and his back 3 is such a great anti air tool. He needs a launch, slightly better damage, longer fire, and slightly faster normals. In my experience his normals are too slow and he gets stuffed pretty hard. If they just fixed that I'd view him as A-A+
Zed I mainly played him early too and I saw how he’s just way too slow with some really low damage, also don’t like his krushing blows at all! Like most of them are unpractical and not rewarding.
I’m very new to fighting games. Last one I played was MK Trilogy. That’s just to put my comment in context. But, I’ve been drawn to Jacqui right away, but backed off due to her complexity and all the little ins-and-outs of the up-close combat. However, thanks to you guys and all the videos on RUclips and about 500 matches later, I’ve picked her back up. Sonic Fox’s performance definitely inspired me as well. Anyways, the point is, I don’t think she’s an S ranked character. She’s great, for sure, but when I think S tier, I think that other people have to bend to your game plan. Like watch out for the rings and the 50/50s, or the sand, or the acid, or the mid gun shot. In short, they don’t have bad matchups. Jacqui doesn’t really bend you around her game plan, which is just to get in close. She certainly has tools to get in, and once she’s in she’s got amazing strings. But, she’s usually playing the other character’s game. For instance, I just played against a Kabal at about my level. He just zoned me out the whole game, and mixed me up whenever I got close. I did win a few times, but I felt like I was playing around him. In addition, her limbs feel incredibly short and a lot of her moves have a ton of corner carry. The corner carry is great when you’re chasing someone down, but it can be a negative when you’re mid map and have to go get in again. Anyways, I’m sure I’ve got a lot more to learn, but I think she’s in the A+ or A category. A great character but isn’t warping the game.
RIGHT?! Did he not realize in mkx that the jinsei chamber was corrupted by Shinnok?! WORST thing he ever did was try to surrender the souls of some of the hero characters to Quan Chi in a desperate plea to have Earthrealm spared after he lost a big fight and was really tired (not sure how/why he was losing though).
I know these are for tournament variation, but I have snake bite on my kasual variation for Kano, and I just love F3 under projectiles to get close, mix up a little to find how they block and go through the match from there! The best moment for me was in a comeback. F2, snakebite(Amp), 1,1, Fatal blow, 467 Damage. Not killing but F4,3 for the krushing blow that never hits and that's game and it felt so good!
Because most mk youtubers are NRS dickriders and they are trying to convince us that all characters are viable and the differences between them aren't very drastic.
I hope instead of NRS nerfing certain characters they just buff less viable characters to assist in matchups. Nerfing things (unless broken) just ruins a character making another less fun to play, instead of making other characters better.
Yeah I feel you on this. It's kinda like what Riot Games/ Tencent used to do with League Of Legends. Nerfing characters into the ground and rarely giving buffs to the ones that need them. I would rather have every character be crazy strong in their own way than just taking away strengths of other characters. But hey that's just my opinion 🤷♂️
Really nice video Mustard. I don't play online or anything like that so I have no idea of how good which characters are, I just play the ones I like. I do appreciate all the effort you went to and how well you explained your choices.
good list. i think if Frost had a couple frames shaved off her pokes and maybe her combo starters she would be an absolute monster but she's still a lot more viable than people think
I went into a KOTH match and the whole lobby was getting rinsed by one guy for a good while then all of a sudden this mind-reading D’Vorah joins and punished every single attack with the spider grab - it was so scary to see this D’Vorah punishing every single attack with the same move It just proved that you have to be a fortune teller to be able to play D’Vorah - it sounds like it wasn’t a great lobby but it was of a good standard, it was just this D’Vorah was probably the best reader I have ever watched in MK
To me, Jade has proven a lot in tournament and should be a tier higher. I think she has clearly better results than the 3 you put directly in front of her: Sub-Zero, Kabal, and Skarlet. I really think she should be bumped ahead of that trio based on results.
He is, but he's very strange compared to the other characters. He has no really good combos. You've gotta play a game of leading your opponent to you with the ground fire, trying to read their jump ins and hit the bag bomb. He's a hit and run type character, as opposed to the insane combo strings some of the other characters have. That being said, I main Kollector, I've played him since day 1, and I do very, very well in online play. Played correctly, he can be very effective!
In my opinion the s tiers besides cassie should get minor nerfs, but for the next patch I really think they should heavily buff low tier characters, like kotal khan, d'vorah, and kung lao and the mid tiers should also get some buffs
@@JcgLounge shao khan is mid tier in my opinion but that doesn't mean that he doesn't need buffs his spear should be a true mid and his mid should be cancelable on the second hit
I think the biggest issue is not that some characters are “bad,” but more-so that their best variations often aren’t “tournament”. While it’s understandable they limited them to two options, there should be more leeway in terms of abilities. If they have them we should be allowed to use them. I always thought it was also strange how tournament variations aren’t default.
Kang certainly has his draw backs but if Liu Kang had any sort of mix up with overheads he’d be exceptionally solid. His dragon parry however is absolutely phenomenal💯
Dragon of Dadashov okay then why do characters like sonya scorpion and sub zero have 50/50 mix ups with overheard and lows🤔🤔 the point your making doesn’t excuse the fact that liu kang having an overhead would be nice
Dragon of Dadashov every character has a throw krushing blow.... you’re talking about his parry. Yea he has some good damage output that has nothing to do with his lack of mix ups cus the opponent doesn’t have to guess when guarding all the have to do is block low. Scorpion has. 50% damage combo no KB. Sonya has 40+% no KB Baraka has 40+% all of character have good damaged output
Thank you so much for your char breakdown of Raiden. So, so accurate. I agree his kb requirements are trash. Correctly placed in your tier list and I've mained Raiden since mk2.
@@MysticShiv3r I main him and Liu Kang pretty evenly. I would say that he's a very balanced character that in the right hands could be a problem for most people on the roster...he just needs less stuff that's punishable. He only really has one combo string (b3, 1) that is safe on block and its a pretty slow move so you have to time it good....hes definitely someone you want to stay around mid screen with and try and draw your opponent in. He has great mobility with sparkports too...I agree besides his throw kb, and uppercut...his Kb requirements are kind of annoying. But ive grown to appreciate that b2 one...when you have someone in the corner and you b2 I'm telling you almost EVERYONE assumes youll do it again...then you hit em with a b3,1 and storm cell amped to a combo again lol. His corner mix up is amazing.
I honestly think raiden is much better than people give him credit for. His whiff punish game is damaging. F4 F2 F11 B12 B31 can all hit confirm into cell storm and have great range for whiff punishing.
@@merikijiya13 Yeah. He's all about patience and analyzing your opponent. If you're someone who just likes to be all out aggressive you won't win with Raiden lol
Jax is another one... I wish he had plus 2 on block crouching jab... and/ or a down 3 that's plus 4 on block with extreme low profile... He needs that Really good check that he can advance... he can easily get snuffed out... or he's always rushing...unlike Jacquie...
@@hanswurst7548 i know i know man....lol just for jax or kung lao... it would be the same as someone having a -2 and a 7 frame mid....jax and kung lao is 9 or 12 start up... so nothing crazy would come from it... they just need something i feel... unless i just suck... i dunno
Being honest I'm not a pro but I play my life away and I truely agree with your tier list more that Sonic Fox's, although I agree Jax should be higher, but D'vorah should be in F tier.
I always feel that s tier is really God level so their should only be one, maybe two characters there. If there isn't a case where one character is obviously above everyone else then s tier should be removed and stick with a
Good thing about low tiers is that they don't know your combos and mix ups , while you know the A /S tier ones , MK was always about punishing and reading your opponent .
I really think people sleeping on raiden like crazy. He has long buttons that are easy to hit confirm into cell storm. If you have good footsies raiden is godlike with the whiff punish.
Raiden isn't elder-godlike in this game though: much better in mkx 🙁 GO RAIDEN though. I like the character and his god powers; hence why I almost always main him, despite his relative popularity standing and his tier rankings.
Protectobot I feel like if the game progresses as it is and we see more small tournaments like the one honeybee showed a lot more raiden tech will come about. I’m just now getting into his teleport mind games.
iv used johnny cage a ton and love him but hes very counter based and his lack of krushing blows and overheads means you gotta play a bit smarter. canceling his fatal blow is great for closing out a round
Interesting look into the strengths and weaknesses of characters. Btw are you able to make that chat window bigger? It would be cool to read along if you missed the stream but its too small on the phone on youtube
Jacqui is an awesome character to play in this game: fun but just too good and a bit execution-heavy for me imho, but I'd love to have Takeda back cos he was so flashy! and Kung Jin was my 2nd in mkx and REALLY helped me get comfortable with mkx gameplay and controls 😎
I've played as Kano since I started the game and haven't let him go. When I listen to other people talk about him and put him into a tier list, I see that they underrate him very much. Most of these players never even use Kano. I saw a streamer make a tier list a few months ago and then they released a Kano technique video after where they wanted to try out Kano. The streamer realized Kano was actually very nice to play with. Nobody plays as Kano. They're making opinions without the experience. Thanks Mustard for giving Kano some representation!
Just because Foxy uses Hat Tricks variation doesn't mean Hat Tricks is stronger than the other variation - Lotus Fist. The Orbitting Hat makes everything of Lao safe with maximum dmg and easily hit confirming, so Lao can fight more aggressively. The Z Hat is only good when the opponent is on the ground to set up and due to Lao's strings are mostly unsafe, you will be punished if your messed up
Oh man two of my characters are pretty bottom, Kollector and D’Vorah. Sadness has entered the chat. At least my Jade is good, these are my three, but I can’t wait for Sindel to come back!
@@bluemajiic1979 Kung lao is good imo. We saw him in few grand finals. The biggest problem is the gap between tiers, like S tier is 20% stronger than A+ tier, A+ 20% stronger than A tier etc etc. Just huge power gap between tiers, its stupid when you see someone picks Sonya and you main Raiden for example, if Raiden isnt like 50% better player he loses insta. Balance patch needed asap, ranked is swarmed by S tiers
Kano is like my third character, he's pretty solid. You have to use him as a footsies, spacing character. His tick throws are decent, f3 rolls under projectiles with amazing range. If you play him like a mkx character, he's not too good. Gotta play a patient kano.
Kano is good? mind blown. i honestly thought there was, if anything, a slant of favouritism in this tier list. sure he was only B+ in this list, but the only reason he rated even that highly is because Mustard’s brother plays and mains with Kano competitively. i personally don’t play competitively, professionally, or even really partake that much in online. i just don’t like Kano because, well, he just feels boring! lol. and i’m Australian, i get all the little Aussie references in his manner, his demeanour, and even the names of his gear and skins. his move set just feels so so damn fucking dry and bland
@@FeedMyPets if you think slamming someone with a kano ball then grabbing and slamming them for wake ups is boring then idk. Kano ball feels hella good
I agree with the majority bu just seen a couple of vids with Sonic wrecking Scar and other with Dvorah so it looks like she is higher than most of us think but then again it must be proven in a tournament
Lol It's sonic fox. Out of all of the thousands of players who play the game, you mention one person who stands at the top. He's done that time and time again with many characters in many games. People who use him as an example to explain nerfs or boosts is using a very bad example. Mustard made a clear example why she is terrible, and as a d'vorah player since mkx, I can go even further with why she is so terrible. To sum it up. She literally doesn't do anything good outside of a decent down 2.
100%. His Good Hands version is amazing. Great to jump back and throw ground fire at your opponent, forcing them forward. If they jump out of it, even better because a Bomb Bag is always open there. Too many people play his teleport version, and that's definitely NOT the way to play Kollector
I main Kollector. And I started out with his teleport version. It wasn't until I switched to his other version that it took my game to a whole other level. Having that ground fire is a game changer. More so than having the teleport. From my experience anyway. Ive been playing Kollector since day 1
Sub Zero is only good because most people are too lazy to practice defense and just focus on their offense (not including top players like scar and sonic fox). From all the FGCs I think Mortal Kombat players overall have the worst defense. But of course the game is still very new and I hope that people get better at it.
After jumping online for the first time tonight, and facing several Sub-Zero players (most average, some good), I have to agree with you. The majority of success with Sub-Zero doesn't really come from Sub-Zero himself, but from the other player and their ability to manage him. I feel like this is a result of Sub-Zero's skill-ceiling not being very high, which allows every character with a higher ceiling the opportunity to outplay him.
@@hanselthecaretaker that is certainly not the reason...auto block is for complete beginners, no one on high level is ever gonna use that. because its way slower than actual blocking
I think you underrate a bit johny cage. I play both johny and kano, and I think johny is better, even with no krushing blows. Plus or safe on most of his stuff, fireball ex is plus and super good, shadow kick for punishing and conditioning, great and easy confirmable footsies, some gimmicks with cage rage, good damage mid screen...
Fireball EX doesn't work on a vast majority of the cast. F43 string whiffs on block. ON BLOCK! His whiffing issues are a huge issue. And with so many other characters with better buttons than him a lot of that doesn't matter.
I really don't understand why you added two new tiers, only to then not use the bottom two. Or how you view A+ and B+ as completely different tiers and not minor extensions to the A and B tiers. Or how you can say D'vora is "absolutely trash" but then put her in C tier, when a "C" is an average, passing grade. Basically, I think your tier-naming choices are very bad and you didn't need to create (and shouldn't have created) those additional tiers at all. Other than that, I have no complaints with your general rankings.
As a Johnny Cage main, I agree, His d2 is the best one. I have found a way to make ex nut punch work on some characters. Actually helped me turn the tide in a lot of fights.
Yea. Show stopper is unviable. There is something wrong with every kb he has. Why is his nut punch kb on punish only instead of punish and kounter like every other kb. Someone was on drugs when they made his kbs
I'm not a pro but I got a 47 match win streak on king of the hill with Kano alone, coming against all sorts of players. Why does Kano get so much hate??
1:10:50 Here you say that this tier list is base on what you see on a tournament, yet frost hasn't been seen anywhere and yet you put her in A tier, so something doesn't add up here mate
Kung Lao is just negative on all strings... if he had a LITTLE faster walk and back dash speed I'd think it would even him out... or a his back 4 plus... i feel he needs SOMETHING more... his first varient is just a joke... all four resources gone.... but z hat is amazing and guided hat is great...
Hot take: Cassie is solid. Great neuch, projectiles, damage. But its hard for her to open up players that just wait and dont press anything. A+ at best. Also her fatal blow sucks and have weird requirements for krushing blows
My favorite part of this video was the comments section full of people giving their opinions about what the tier list should be instead, like go make your own list since you're so qualified and have watched every tournament yourse...oh wait...
good list untill Cetrion but then it went wrong. Jade should be A+ Kabal and Sub Zero are only A. Zub Zero on lower end of A list. Frost again is at best bottom of B+
Also Baraka and Cetrion above Scorpion. Scorpion is a counter pick character. On top level competitive level he is compleatly ignored outside his counter pick go to matchups. And Sub Zero is just a kindergarden character - he is basic in every possible way on tournament level Low end of A tier.
I think it's daft Netherrealm can't just make all the characters equally as good then there would be much more variety in the tournaments instead of the seeing pretty much the same 5 or 6 characters throughout.
@@iSoryu It's hard to believe that when you see some characters who have it all - mix ups, safety, good mids, etc. etc., and you see other characters who have none. It's like, did you guys even try to balance things?
Vulpes Inculta not every character is supposed to have 50/50s, massive damage and good spacing etc etc (I know Sonya has all that) some characters are just as strong just in different areas, for example, I main Frost and play Kano, and a few others but the way you should play Frost compared to Sonya or Jacqui are completely different and a lot of the good players have just happened to gravitate towards either the rushdown or jack of all trades characters, and for good reason as they want to win as many situations as possible, I understand where you’re coming from though :)
I'll usually try to stick with a character for awhile, but man D'vorah really is the pits. I have no idea how you get any damage with this character. I've put it on AI to see if there's something I'm missing, but the even the AI can't get any damage out of this character.
to be fair it only really makes certain moves punishable without and u2 or 3, and those cost 2 bars each. and the u2 doesn’t add up to much damage for most characters
Mustard's notes after the day of making this is perhaps Jax and Cage were a little too low. Other than that, he's happy!
Your soul is mine
PNDK&M Which cage, you mean Johnny Right?
@@chesscankill Yeah!
PNDK&M thanks for the info!
Curious, what about Johnny bumps him up on the list outside of your reasoning in the video?
Bro you know you made my heart skip a beat for a second there, you know what you did
Love your vids man!
ahmz1404 The only combo channel that matters 👍🏾
Yo there’s a tower in towers of time called “ketchup and mustard” and the modifiers are Cyrax and sektor!
@casual complaints over 2 decades
they are aware of them but mustar and ketchup were just cyrax and sektor;s code names for ages before pndkm
Thank you so much for that kitana tier info really been saying since day 1 kitana takes dedicated and precise inputs
this is deffinitely the most accurate tier list at the moment
Nah
Must disagree.
No it's not
Gunshow makes Jax A+.... Too bad he hasn't been in any tournament.
I'm sure we'll see Gunshow play some more this year. I think he isn't able to travel much is all.
@@PNDKM Hope to see him and ninja killa.
Jax is A+ for sure u just haven't seen him in tournament, but he does a lot of damage if he decides to use his resources safe pressure even though he has a couple of gaps, good plus frames withe f4 and possibly some of the most easy to get crushing blows that all deal 30-35% damage. The only thing he struggles with are the zoning characters and slippery characters like jade, kabal scorpion, cetrion and scarlet
>added 2 tiers
>didnt use 2 tiers
Makes sense lol
If they change Johnny cages KBs to make them more practical he'd be great
His ex nut punch should leave the Opponent closer for combos
Scotty Davlin
MKX Close lol
Scotty Davlin he’s complaining because you have to dash in to land any of his strings after ex nut punch. Not really practical because spending meter should give you combos without having to dash in
Wait he has krushing blows?........nah I'm kidding the only one I've ever gotten to work is the glasses one I don't even know what the other ones care
I think the problem with sub-zero is that he doesn't have the best variation for tournament play. I rather have creepy ice, frigid ice, and air ability or something else.
Only problem I see is Jax not being A+
Yeah. I think his rush down is almost as good as Jacqui's plus he has some zoning options which jacqui lacks.
@@videogamerlexis
Is B22 or F22 whatever it is has a crazy stagger
bro if i block high jax is useless, all hes good for is stupid command grabs and the knee slam thing he does. hes like sub zero, in a way
@@bobbob-iv4we and then you get spammed by b2 gotcha grab into a forward throw crushing blow lol.
Kitana is so much better than people think right now but I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot more of her as time goes on. I'm leaving people feeling helpless and demoralized online. Sometimes they just stop pressing buttons and let me kill them lately. Her back 2 is zero on block which means people who want to block your string can be thrown every time, then, when they get prepared to throw tech, guess what, I'm finishing my string now for a full combo. Both outcomes leave her safe if predicted by the opponent.
Throw after b2 is not safe. If your opponent predicts you'll throw after b2 then anything faster than your 10 frame throw will hit you first.
or they duck and get a nice d2 KB into full combo
Robert Dukarm Kitana is so easy to read and block. No she's not that good.
@@schroonsjozef If they do that I can just neutral duck. Anything from any character is punishable if you guess right lol. I'm saying it's a fifty fifty set up I use. If they think I'm gonna throw and try to d2, they eat a combo. You must not have fought a skilled Kitana ever. You might as well say Scorpion's teleport is a bad move because you can block punish it.
@@robertdukarm2578 I'm just refuting this claim in your original comment.
"Both outcomes leave her safe if predicted by the opponent."
In 1 of the 4 possible outcomes ur not safe.
Nice to see frost getting some love. Also nice to hear a well thought out tier list instead of "its ACTUALLY BROKEN" every 5 seconds. Very well done and I do agree with your list. Looking forward to the future content and to see mustard compete some more!
@Scotty Davlin I completely agree. I picked her up and it made me question why everyone thinks she's bad. Is she tough to use? Sure but anything worth doing isn't gonna be easy. I find her very rewarding.
Yeah, SonicFox is talented at fighting, but not at being coherent.
@@comedyboom388 I agree with this as well. Love him as a competitor but he's pretty annoying as a personality
I wish jades overheads were faster and fatal blow was higher dmg, i love her all the same though
I feel these teir lists that put litterly half the cast as s and a+ arent really aknowledging serious shortcomings of some of these characters. This is a pretty well balanced game outside of the top 3 and bottom 3.
Kollector has very low damage but I've found great success with spare change. His projectile is solid, his fire has some nasty setups and his back 3 is such a great anti air tool. He needs a launch, slightly better damage, longer fire, and slightly faster normals. In my experience his normals are too slow and he gets stuffed pretty hard. If they just fixed that I'd view him as A-A+
Zed I mainly played him early too and I saw how he’s just way too slow with some really low damage, also don’t like his krushing blows at all! Like most of them are unpractical and not rewarding.
I’m very new to fighting games. Last one I played was MK Trilogy. That’s just to put my comment in context. But, I’ve been drawn to Jacqui right away, but backed off due to her complexity and all the little ins-and-outs of the up-close combat. However, thanks to you guys and all the videos on RUclips and about 500 matches later, I’ve picked her back up. Sonic Fox’s performance definitely inspired me as well.
Anyways, the point is, I don’t think she’s an S ranked character. She’s great, for sure, but when I think S tier, I think that other people have to bend to your game plan. Like watch out for the rings and the 50/50s, or the sand, or the acid, or the mid gun shot. In short, they don’t have bad matchups.
Jacqui doesn’t really bend you around her game plan, which is just to get in close. She certainly has tools to get in, and once she’s in she’s got amazing strings. But, she’s usually playing the other character’s game. For instance, I just played against a Kabal at about my level. He just zoned me out the whole game, and mixed me up whenever I got close. I did win a few times, but I felt like I was playing around him.
In addition, her limbs feel incredibly short and a lot of her moves have a ton of corner carry. The corner carry is great when you’re chasing someone down, but it can be a negative when you’re mid map and have to go get in again.
Anyways, I’m sure I’ve got a lot more to learn, but I think she’s in the A+ or A category. A great character but isn’t warping the game.
finally a proper tier list with good explanations
Mustard why they treat my boy raiden so bad he save earthrealm every damn year whyy ed boon why 😢😢😢😢he save lives in mortal kombat 🙌🙌🙌
RIGHT?! Did he not realize in mkx that the jinsei chamber was corrupted by Shinnok?! WORST thing he ever did was try to surrender the souls of some of the hero characters to Quan Chi in a desperate plea to have Earthrealm spared after he lost a big fight and was really tired (not sure how/why he was losing though).
I know these are for tournament variation, but I have snake bite on my kasual variation for Kano, and I just love F3 under projectiles to get close, mix up a little to find how they block and go through the match from there!
The best moment for me was in a comeback. F2, snakebite(Amp), 1,1, Fatal blow, 467 Damage. Not killing but F4,3 for the krushing blow that never hits and that's game and it felt so good!
Why does everyone doing these list add more tiers and then not use all the tiers..... *confused*
Because no character is is that bad
Because most mk youtubers are NRS dickriders and they are trying to convince us that all characters are viable and the differences between them aren't very drastic.
Sub zero would be better if his Dead of Winter variation had rising ice instead of Kold Shoulder.
That's my custom variation for him and it's really good
Rising ice makes him 300% more fun to play, and also better in general.
Dead of Winter would be better if they just removed kold shoulder... and have an empty slot... lol
@@nelsonguo2 honestly I agree so much with this
Dead of Winter feels very barebones. Yes, the amplified ice ball is good, but he doesn't have anything else of value.
i always said Cassie and Jacqui are S tier and i got ridiculed
I hope instead of NRS nerfing certain characters they just buff less viable characters to assist in matchups. Nerfing things (unless broken) just ruins a character making another less fun to play, instead of making other characters better.
Yeah I feel you on this. It's kinda like what Riot Games/ Tencent used to do with League Of Legends. Nerfing characters into the ground and rarely giving buffs to the ones that need them. I would rather have every character be crazy strong in their own way than just taking away strengths of other characters. But hey that's just my opinion 🤷♂️
Luke Wheeler one word power creep
Really nice video Mustard. I don't play online or anything like that so I have no idea of how good which characters are, I just play the ones I like. I do appreciate all the effort you went to and how well you explained your choices.
I pretty much agree with this list. I feel shao Kahn should receive a few buffs but for the most part he’s a pretty fun and good character
All jade does is 3 moves. Poke staff, swirl staff, and uppercuts.
Bloody effective though.
good list. i think if Frost had a couple frames shaved off her pokes and maybe her combo starters she would be an absolute monster but she's still a lot more viable than people think
Damn. I got 33rd at cb with all cetrion, played mustard in tournament, and I don't even get a shout out in the cet talk. Feels bad man
Shout-out to you, Jacob. Might not mean much from me cause I wasn't able to even attend CB, but I'm sure your Cetrion is nice AF
Must’ve missed your name on the sheet he was looking at
@@thektorMK1 I'm also not Hollywood enough for event hubs to know my character lol
jacob perona the sheet is only top 32 tho... you barely made it to shoutouts?
I went into a KOTH match and the whole lobby was getting rinsed by one guy for a good while then all of a sudden this mind-reading D’Vorah joins and punished every single attack with the spider grab - it was so scary to see this D’Vorah punishing every single attack with the same move
It just proved that you have to be a fortune teller to be able to play D’Vorah - it sounds like it wasn’t a great lobby but it was of a good standard, it was just this D’Vorah was probably the best reader I have ever watched in MK
Kan you guys make character guides?
Yes, its really far more usefull than all this hype tier-placing
Best list I’ve seen so far. Nice work Mustard
To me, Jade has proven a lot in tournament and should be a tier higher. I think she has clearly better results than the 3 you put directly in front of her: Sub-Zero, Kabal, and Skarlet. I really think she should be bumped ahead of that trio based on results.
facts waz’s jade was killing
The collector is under rated
He is, but he's very strange compared to the other characters. He has no really good combos. You've gotta play a game of leading your opponent to you with the ground fire, trying to read their jump ins and hit the bag bomb. He's a hit and run type character, as opposed to the insane combo strings some of the other characters have. That being said, I main Kollector, I've played him since day 1, and I do very, very well in online play. Played correctly, he can be very effective!
In my opinion the s tiers besides cassie should get minor nerfs, but for the next patch I really think they should heavily buff low tier characters, like kotal khan, d'vorah, and kung lao and the mid tiers should also get some buffs
5thGear No Breaks Yeah buff Kung Lao. And while they’re at it buff Kano and Shao Kahn..
@@JcgLounge shao khan is mid tier in my opinion but that doesn't mean that he doesn't need buffs his spear should be a true mid and his mid should be cancelable on the second hit
No nerfs are needed IMO. Just buff the weaker characters and make everyone happy ☺️
@@shawnlearmont3830 some top tiers like geras, sonya, kabal and scorpion should get small nerfs.
Kotal is bad but not as much as people think.i hold my own vs most of the roster.just about how you play ig
Glad to see Kano in B+.
I think the biggest issue is not that some characters are “bad,” but more-so that their best variations often aren’t “tournament”. While it’s understandable they limited them to two options, there should be more leeway in terms of abilities. If they have them we should be allowed to use them. I always thought it was also strange how tournament variations aren’t default.
Kang certainly has his draw backs but if Liu Kang had any sort of mix up with overheads he’d be exceptionally solid. His dragon parry however is absolutely phenomenal💯
Dragon of Dadashov top class sarcasm my good sir well executed
SirYeaouschAlot f2 should be a overhead, its 18 Frames i think and sub zeros is 19 Frames so why not
blood flowa f2 def should be an overhead it’s a high for some reason tho😭
Dragon of Dadashov okay then why do characters like sonya scorpion and sub zero have 50/50 mix ups with overheard and lows🤔🤔 the point your making doesn’t excuse the fact that liu kang having an overhead would be nice
Dragon of Dadashov every character has a throw krushing blow.... you’re talking about his parry. Yea he has some good damage output that has nothing to do with his lack of mix ups cus the opponent doesn’t have to guess when guarding all the have to do is block low. Scorpion has. 50% damage combo no KB. Sonya has 40+% no KB Baraka has 40+% all of character have good damaged output
Thank you so much for your char breakdown of Raiden. So, so accurate. I agree his kb requirements are trash.
Correctly placed in your tier list and I've mained Raiden since mk2.
Backdash storm cell for a whiff punish is amazing once you get good at it.
@@KaspaKings Thank you for the tip!
What's your thoughts on Raiden?
@@MysticShiv3r I main him and Liu Kang pretty evenly. I would say that he's a very balanced character that in the right hands could be a problem for most people on the roster...he just needs less stuff that's punishable. He only really has one combo string (b3, 1) that is safe on block and its a pretty slow move so you have to time it good....hes definitely someone you want to stay around mid screen with and try and draw your opponent in. He has great mobility with sparkports too...I agree besides his throw kb, and uppercut...his Kb requirements are kind of annoying. But ive grown to appreciate that b2 one...when you have someone in the corner and you b2 I'm telling you almost EVERYONE assumes youll do it again...then you hit em with a b3,1 and storm cell amped to a combo again lol. His corner mix up is amazing.
I honestly think raiden is much better than people give him credit for. His whiff punish game is damaging. F4 F2 F11 B12 B31 can all hit confirm into cell storm and have great range for whiff punishing.
@@merikijiya13 Yeah. He's all about patience and analyzing your opponent. If you're someone who just likes to be all out aggressive you won't win with Raiden lol
At least you added kung Lao to the list unlike sonicfox 😂😂😂
Sonic did tho
Greedo 2 he didn’t have the icon
Amazing content as always. Also diggin the facecam 👍👌 Stay safe K&M
Jax is another one... I wish he had plus 2 on block crouching jab... and/ or a down 3 that's plus 4 on block with extreme low profile... He needs that Really good check that he can advance... he can easily get snuffed out... or he's always rushing...unlike Jacquie...
OPgam3r d1s and d3s that are plus on block?! :D what are u smoking dude? lmao
@@hanswurst7548 i know i know man....lol just for jax or kung lao... it would be the same as someone having a -2 and a 7 frame mid....jax and kung lao is 9 or 12 start up... so nothing crazy would come from it... they just need something i feel... unless i just suck... i dunno
@@opgam3r482 yeah i think you said it at the end
U definitely suck asking for plus pokes on block😂😂😂. Us his f4, it +1 on block
Something to do while we all wait for this damn trailer lol
Well it’s out now
Being honest I'm not a pro but I play my life away and I truely agree with your tier list more that Sonic Fox's, although I agree Jax should be higher, but D'vorah should be in F tier.
Well he updated his tier list and it's pretty accurate now imo
Fantastic explanations!
Looking forward to more
I always feel that s tier is really God level so their should only be one, maybe two characters there. If there isn't a case where one character is obviously above everyone else then s tier should be removed and stick with a
I was playing as Raiden today and beat a Sonya with 400 games.
We low tier characters can still be good ✊🏻
Conexant _ obviouslyif you are the better player and can make better use of your characters tools which seems like you did
Good thing about low tiers is that they don't know your combos and mix ups , while you know the A /S tier ones , MK was always about punishing and reading your opponent .
I really think people sleeping on raiden like crazy. He has long buttons that are easy to hit confirm into cell storm. If you have good footsies raiden is godlike with the whiff punish.
Raiden isn't elder-godlike in this game though: much better in mkx 🙁 GO RAIDEN though. I like the character and his god powers; hence why I almost always main him, despite his relative popularity standing and his tier rankings.
Protectobot I feel like if the game progresses as it is and we see more small tournaments like the one honeybee showed a lot more raiden tech will come about. I’m just now getting into his teleport mind games.
iv used johnny cage a ton and love him but hes very counter based and his lack of krushing blows and overheads means you gotta play a bit smarter. canceling his fatal blow is great for closing out a round
I really hope kotal and shao get some nice buffs
Interesting look into the strengths and weaknesses of characters. Btw are you able to make that chat window bigger? It would be cool to read along if you missed the stream but its too small on the phone on youtube
PNDK&M: definitive tier list, y'all!
NRS: hold this, you wankers!
only complaint about the video is that adding a b+ tier was kinda pointless
Kind of isn’t. Every character is insanely close. There isn’t a big jump between them.
Can we have a variation tier list?
At least Kotal's gameplay reflects how good he is in the story.
Mileena Kahn your gameplay also represents your presence in the story :D
Arkham Knight lmaoooooo
I wish Takeda or Kenshi were here instead of either Jax or Jacqui...
Hey man what did Jax ever do to you?
I would like to see Kenshi instead of Jacqui, but not instead of Jax.
Robert E.O Speedwagon Jax was a little too woke this game
Jacqui is an awesome character to play in this game: fun but just too good and a bit execution-heavy for me imho, but I'd love to have Takeda back cos he was so flashy! and Kung Jin was my 2nd in mkx and REALLY helped me get comfortable with mkx gameplay and controls 😎
I wasn't expecting Jacqui to be #2 at all
But I can totally agree with u, and the vid nearly started LMAO
Shes not.
I've played as Kano since I started the game and haven't let him go. When I listen to other people talk about him and put him into a tier list, I see that they underrate him very much. Most of these players never even use Kano. I saw a streamer make a tier list a few months ago and then they released a Kano technique video after where they wanted to try out Kano. The streamer realized Kano was actually very nice to play with. Nobody plays as Kano. They're making opinions without the experience. Thanks Mustard for giving Kano some representation!
I do completely agree that Kano is underrated, though
Just because Foxy uses Hat Tricks variation doesn't mean Hat Tricks is stronger than the other variation - Lotus Fist. The Orbitting Hat makes everything of Lao safe with maximum dmg and easily hit confirming, so Lao can fight more aggressively. The Z Hat is only good when the opponent is on the ground to set up and due to Lao's strings are mostly unsafe, you will be punished if your messed up
When im playing Jacqui my worst match up is Jade tbh...that might be her worst one.
Jade is actually really good imo
I feel Jacqui's worst matchup is cetrion
@@branden7555 Her too...any Zoner that can teleport far away lol
Shao and Kotal should have 1100 health because they are tanks yet are horrible
This is a fighting game not an rpg
Oh man two of my characters are pretty bottom, Kollector and D’Vorah. Sadness has entered the chat. At least my Jade is good, these are my three, but I can’t wait for Sindel to come back!
Swap Jax and Sub Zero and this list is perfect.
Man Jax is being slept on...Kung Lao has no business being ahead of Jax lol
@@bluemajiic1979 Kung lao is good imo. We saw him in few grand finals. The biggest problem is the gap between tiers, like S tier is 20% stronger than A+ tier, A+ 20% stronger than A tier etc etc. Just huge power gap between tiers, its stupid when you see someone picks Sonya and you main Raiden for example, if Raiden isnt like 50% better player he loses insta. Balance patch needed asap, ranked is swarmed by S tiers
This video was super entertaining
Kano is now way is good as you think. people dont know the match up yet his fastest safe mid is 16 frames thats all i have to say
Kano is like my third character, he's pretty solid. You have to use him as a footsies, spacing character. His tick throws are decent, f3 rolls under projectiles with amazing range. If you play him like a mkx character, he's not too good. Gotta play a patient kano.
People can play as whoever they want shut up.
Kano is good? mind blown. i honestly thought there was, if anything, a slant of favouritism in this tier list. sure he was only B+ in this list, but the only reason he rated even that highly is because Mustard’s brother plays and mains with Kano competitively. i personally don’t play competitively, professionally, or even really partake that much in online. i just don’t like Kano because, well, he just feels boring! lol. and i’m Australian, i get all the little Aussie references in his manner, his demeanour, and even the names of his gear and skins. his move set just feels so so damn fucking dry and bland
@@FeedMyPets if you think slamming someone with a kano ball then grabbing and slamming them for wake ups is boring then idk. Kano ball feels hella good
I agree with the majority bu just seen a couple of vids with Sonic wrecking Scar and other with Dvorah so it looks like she is higher than most of us think but then again it must be proven in a tournament
Lol It's sonic fox. Out of all of the thousands of players who play the game, you mention one person who stands at the top. He's done that time and time again with many characters in many games. People who use him as an example to explain nerfs or boosts is using a very bad example. Mustard made a clear example why she is terrible, and as a d'vorah player since mkx, I can go even further with why she is so terrible. To sum it up. She literally doesn't do anything good outside of a decent down 2.
Please buff Kano!!!
Kollector so underrated ... great against cast without teleport
Agreed
100%. His Good Hands version is amazing. Great to jump back and throw ground fire at your opponent, forcing them forward. If they jump out of it, even better because a Bomb Bag is always open there. Too many people play his teleport version, and that's definitely NOT the way to play Kollector
Chad Manning I haven’t tried the bag bomb ...
but I disagree with people who use the teleport ... it mixes it up
I main Kollector. And I started out with his teleport version. It wasn't until I switched to his other version that it took my game to a whole other level. Having that ground fire is a game changer. More so than having the teleport. From my experience anyway. Ive been playing Kollector since day 1
@@chadmanning5718 characters like kabal and liu kang can punish him for doing that, kang main here
About to get Buff Kotal on my damn chest someone HELP HIM
ThaiSenpaiNJ the sun will arise again fam.
Thanks man great choices. I think jax should be a bit higher as well as Lao. But this is solid
Jax is an A+ IMO. I am just waiting on a top level player to give him a go in a tournament.
Check on SchiacciSempre, he's a high level player Jax main
I kinda wonder why subs 212 string isn't High,OH,Mid that 2nd hit is a downward axe swing
It happened quite a lot in mk11, liu kangs f4 and f3 are MIDs, but he is literally hitting your shin
I forget how different this game was on launch
It’s a good time to be a Kabal main
Sub Zero is only good because most people are too lazy to practice defense and just focus on their offense (not including top players like scar and sonic fox). From all the FGCs I think Mortal Kombat players overall have the worst defense. But of course the game is still very new and I hope that people get better at it.
After jumping online for the first time tonight, and facing several Sub-Zero players (most average, some good), I have to agree with you. The majority of success with Sub-Zero doesn't really come from Sub-Zero himself, but from the other player and their ability to manage him. I feel like this is a result of Sub-Zero's skill-ceiling not being very high, which allows every character with a higher ceiling the opportunity to outplay him.
I really don’t see what others see in sub zero. Once you get that mix up down he struggles bad.
Chiefkamachi1 that’s because pretty much all other fighters have auto blocking lol.
@@hanselthecaretaker that is certainly not the reason...auto block is for complete beginners, no one on high level is ever gonna use that. because its way slower than actual blocking
I forgot yall existed tbh, i've got my notification bell on and i didnt get any notifications.
I think you underrate a bit johny cage. I play both johny and kano, and I think johny is better, even with no krushing blows. Plus or safe on most of his stuff, fireball ex is plus and super good, shadow kick for punishing and conditioning, great and easy confirmable footsies, some gimmicks with cage rage, good damage mid screen...
Fireball EX doesn't work on a vast majority of the cast. F43 string whiffs on block. ON BLOCK! His whiffing issues are a huge issue. And with so many other characters with better buttons than him a lot of that doesn't matter.
NocturnalGUN KPS i am Johnny and i agree with this
Pensé que era la notificación del Kombat Pack :'(
No, esta es un tier list para el tourneo ^^
Great upload, +1 Sub
I really don't understand why you added two new tiers, only to then not use the bottom two. Or how you view A+ and B+ as completely different tiers and not minor extensions to the A and B tiers. Or how you can say D'vora is "absolutely trash" but then put her in C tier, when a "C" is an average, passing grade. Basically, I think your tier-naming choices are very bad and you didn't need to create (and shouldn't have created) those additional tiers at all. Other than that, I have no complaints with your general rankings.
He's saying she's trash compared to everybody else
My brother gets pissed when i pick geras,sonya,scorpion,or cassie cage😂
For real lol. I play geras / cassie against him and he hates it haha
You konvinced me to go back to Kano. I realize how much I miss him now.
Gaayyyy
@@FROSTYYY2K super gaayyyyyyyy
You gotta get that twitch Dark theme going.
I'd say Johnny Cage has literally the worst krushing blows in the game
As a Johnny Cage main, I agree, His d2 is the best one. I have found a way to make ex nut punch work on some characters. Actually helped me turn the tide in a lot of fights.
@@usnfindley The camera krushing blow is absolutely idiotic, miss 3 times IN A ROW? Ridiculous
Yea. Show stopper is unviable. There is something wrong with every kb he has. Why is his nut punch kb on punish only instead of punish and kounter like every other kb. Someone was on drugs when they made his kbs
@@abijahgrant7840 It had awful range, it's terrible for kb. You could make the right read, but when then it's not the fastest move
I'm not a pro but I got a 47 match win streak on king of the hill with Kano alone, coming against all sorts of players.
Why does Kano get so much hate??
WR 10 racism against his accent
WR 10 on king of the hil?...lmao
@@natejohnson1494 this man said KOTH😂. Not that many good players in KOTH bruh
Abijah Grant I know right lol
Because hes disgusting. I dont mean gameplay or anything, i mean his behavior is gross
I saw u guys at combo breaker btw 😀
1:10:50 Here you say that this tier list is base on what you see on a tournament, yet frost hasn't been seen anywhere and yet you put her in A tier, so something doesn't add up here mate
Kung Lao is just negative on all strings... if he had a LITTLE faster walk and back dash speed I'd think it would even him out... or a his back 4 plus... i feel he needs SOMETHING more... his first varient is just a joke... all four resources gone.... but z hat is amazing and guided hat is great...
OPgam3r
His 212 string needs to be changed. 3 highs in a row?
Hot take: Cassie is solid. Great neuch, projectiles, damage. But its hard for her to open up players that just wait and dont press anything. A+ at best. Also her fatal blow sucks and have weird requirements for krushing blows
her damage is low
great list! who would you consider to be the most mobile character? I hope the dlc gives mileena sick erthereal spacing tools, its alawys so hype
@Zeke Cole 😫😫
My favorite part of this video was the comments section full of people giving their opinions about what the tier list should be instead, like go make your own list since you're so qualified and have watched every tournament yourse...oh wait...
good list untill Cetrion but then it went wrong.
Jade should be A+
Kabal and Sub Zero are only A. Zub Zero on lower end of A list. Frost again is at best bottom of B+
Also Baraka and Cetrion above Scorpion. Scorpion is a counter pick character. On top level competitive level he is compleatly ignored outside his counter pick go to matchups.
And Sub Zero is just a kindergarden character - he is basic in every possible way on tournament level Low end of A tier.
I think it's daft Netherrealm can't just make all the characters equally as good then there would be much more variety in the tournaments instead of the seeing pretty much the same 5 or 6 characters throughout.
Kyle Haywood it’s very difficult to balance a game whilst maintaining a variety of playstyles, they don’t intend to make characters bad
@@iSoryu It's hard to believe that when you see some characters who have it all - mix ups, safety, good mids, etc. etc., and you see other characters who have none. It's like, did you guys even try to balance things?
Vulpes Inculta not every character is supposed to have 50/50s, massive damage and good spacing etc etc (I know Sonya has all that) some characters are just as strong just in different areas, for example, I main Frost and play Kano, and a few others but the way you should play Frost compared to Sonya or Jacqui are completely different and a lot of the good players have just happened to gravitate towards either the rushdown or jack of all trades characters, and for good reason as they want to win as many situations as possible, I understand where you’re coming from though :)
I'll usually try to stick with a character for awhile, but man D'vorah really is the pits. I have no idea how you get any damage with this character. I've put it on AI to see if there's something I'm missing, but the even the AI can't get any damage out of this character.
Kung Lao: "im liu kangs equal!"
*kung lao gets placed just below liu kang*
Me: hehehehe
1 and 1/2 hours omg :0
My man with the One Punch Man background! What do you think of Season 2? I'm loving it!
Damn didn’t know some people thought Cassie was that good
Your intro song is way too loud.
Only problem is Kung Lao being so high
The Wu Shi Garden Weed has long since been apart of Shaolin
Traditions
Ryan Goldstrich Kung lao is really good in the right hands. You have to use pressure and be unpredictable to use him right
I'm not a fan of flawless blocking. It does too much.
to be fair it only really makes certain moves punishable without and u2 or 3, and those cost 2 bars each. and the u2 doesn’t add up to much damage for most characters
I used to play a lot of Street Fighter 3 a LONG time ago and parries in that game and even Capcom vs SNK 2 were MUCH easier to do than flawless block.
Takeda enter as DLC