The Lance Armstrong Story - What Did Greg Lemond Think? David Walsh Interview Pt. 5
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- Опубликовано: 11 янв 2013
- Greg Lemond, now the only American winner of the Tour de France, was the most talented bike racer David Walsh had ever seen, and Lemond and Walsh crossed paths after Walsh revealed that Armstrong was working with Dr Ferrari.
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We asked David Walsh if he thinks Lemond could be president of the UCI either on a temporary or long term basis. Is he right? Let us know in the comments.
This is one of our series of seven exclusive videos with David Walsh on Lance Armstrong, where he answers many questions relating to Armstrong and to his book "The Seven Deadly Sins: My Pursuit Of Lance Armstrong" which can be bought here: gcn.eu/VQzWTj
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Lemond is the most naturally gifted cyclist we have ever seen a true great
Lemond is a little baby trying to bring down Lance. Lemond used performance enhancing drugs for training for the tours. He lies just like Lance.
@@kevinschwinkendorf3202Nothing to do with his VO2 max of 90+?
Lemond just looked like he was a bike . When you look back at the footage , you can see him suffer but He was so in tune with the bike . never fighting it . Genuinely a nice guy too .
that's not what he said - he said 'he looked like he was on a fun ride' - lemond had a vo2 max of 92.5 - that's incredible and it's part of a natural physiological make up - it's not improved or enhanced and still stands as the 5th highest in the world and in terms of cycling, that made him amazing and gave him a natural advantage...he was and remains an amazing guy.
Lemond never doped and didn't need to. He was the most gived cyclist in history.
Greg Lemond 1979 junior Worlds champ
Greg Lemond 1982 Road second place
Greg Lemond 1983 Road Worlds champ
Greg Lemond 1986 Tour champ
Greg Lemond 1987. Injured
Greg Lemond 1988. Injured
Greg Lemond 1989 Tour champ
Greg Lemond 1990 Tour champ
Greg Lemond 1990 Worlds champ
It would’ve been five tours if it weren’t for that unfortunate shooting injury.
Greg Lemond was whipping the best cyclists in the U.S when he was a teenager. In 1988, when I was a teenage racer, my coach told me he raced against Lemond several years earlier when Lemond was 17 years old. He said it was the only time he ever got lapped in a criterium, and Lemond lapped him twice. He said he had never seen anything like Lemond. Allegations of Lemond doping are not credible when you look at his early life on the bike. He didn't need to. The top riders in Europe (hinault/fignon) snatched at him to be their domestique when he was fresh off the boat. He simply had phenomenal physiology and grew up training in high mountain air. They called him Lemonster for a reason, and it wasn't doping.
So was lance. The best junior in the us of his Era. Youngest world champion ever at that point. So what. Doesn't mean he was clean. His us olimpic cycling coach was eddy b for x sakes. Ever heard of blood transfusions? Give me a break with the clean bs
@@cypriano8763 Lance Armstrong was nowhere near the class of cyclist that Lemond was. Lemond was the real deal.
@@jamescook8786 7 tour de france wins. That makes lances one of if not the greatest cyclist of all time. Youngest world champion, triathlon phenom. Its not even close.. Lance has 2x the uci points greg does. He way, way higher on the all time list than lemond. Lemons doped as much as lance did, get real. He juat wasent as success full as armstrong period.
@@cypriano8763 Triathlon does belong in the discussion. His wins are invalid because he was a drugged up cheat. Lemond's wins were legit and if he had not been in that hunting accident he likely would have won 5 in a row. His comeback was the greatest in cycling history. Armstrong never had the pedigree of Lemond. There were no indications before his cancer comeback that he could compete to win a TDF. Lemond finished 3rd in his 1st TDF.
@@jamescook8786 lemond was a doper like all top pros. Dont kid yourself. Armstrong did what everyone else was doing, no more, no less. The uci talking his tdf wins is pure hypocracy. Are they going to take hinaults, mercxk wins, no their french thats why. Complete and utter bullshit. Lemond is a real piece of shit for even pretending he was clean. What a massive hypocrit. Unbelievable. Ru u gullable enough to believe that guy. Gimme a break
Where are the 50 million teammates (like in Lance's case) who are openly being investigated for doping? Has Eric Boyer been accused? Have any of these guys thrown Greg under the bus? Never. No credible evidence that Greg doped. He was simply the most talented.
That is quite an accusation, which I suppose is your right to claim, but I don't think you are right about it. Lemond did have the fastest TT in the Tour de France history too and held that record for many years until Boardman beat it, I think. I'm open to learning more info about any dirt you can dig up, but I can tell you for sure that Lance Armstrong has millions of dollars and a huge interest in dethroning and debunking Greg Lemond, and thus far all that money and effort has not shown any.
Greg LeMond is responsible for getting me into cycling. Still have the original Look pedals and Oakley Factory Pilot glasses
Thats Bullshit you dont know what your talking about Greg Lemond pulled cycling out of the stone age it was full of arrogant european cyclists who thought you should ride a 7 hour classic for a pitence because it was all about the glory of winning most cyclists in the early eightees retired penniless Greg changed that he was so classy on the bike and he had the natural talent to blow a hole in professional cycling single handedly as a ex cyclist I cant say enough about Greg...he was brilliant
I also have the original white pedals, Oakley glasses and lots of other stuff besides, like a complete TDF bike, Giro neon helmet, Scott aero bars, signed jersey, and lots of other stuff.
Ok. My mistake. He does not say smiling. I am just pointing the irony of Walsh description of the ease with which he went on attack. This is pretty much exactly how they describe epo users when they attack in the mountains. I find it funny. So I pointed it out.
Trust me. I know all about Lemond. Read his first book back in 1987 and used his training theory during my racing days.
I agree. The WHOLE doping story in cycling (and sport for that matter) needs to be told. Until it is, doping will continue to be a problem.
i found it funny when he said Lemond was smiling on the attack. kinda like how a epo rider does it.
Lemond smiled on the attack *as a teenager*, when he destroyed grown men and had no possible access to a doping program. He was an extraordinary talent. It would take some serious evidence to convince me that he had ever doped. The guy was, above even the likes of Ullrich and Merckx, the most absurdly gifted natural cyclist I've ever seen.
Greg Lemond has a VO2 max of 92 and Lance Armstrong has a VO2 max of 84. It's in David Walsh's book "Seven Deadly Sins." David Walsh says the dopers on the Tour started using EPO the year after Greg Lemond retired. David Walsh says Lance Armstrong tried to get Greg Lemond to admit he had used EPO. Why would he do that, except Lance had a guilty conscience.
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Its simple really: YOU provide FACTUAL proof that LeMond doped as you claim he did? By FACTUAL I mean: Former rider/teammate/ etc.(has to be credible, not something your dog told you) Also, please post: dates/times/what drugs were administered, and by whom, can you do that please?
Just think about it this way. Greg lemond would be the only, let's say post 2nd world war, clean tour de france winner. The only one. Any rational human realizes that's impossible. Name me another clean tdf winner, I know you can't, cos there ain't any
And your evidence for this statement is what exactly? Anabolics didn't change the game like EPO. Very basic compared to the EPO period. Fignon won the Tour twice, was not a prolific dope user, yet everything changed with EPO and he could no longer keep up.
Do you honestly think that Greg would speak out so much when everyone was suffering from Lance mania if he had doped too? He lost his bike business. There is volumes of evidence against Armstrong, there is NO evidence against Lemond.
Your wrong about hgh and testosterone. Recovery is the most important aspect of winning a grand tour. 1 to be able to train hard enough to get the physiological adaptations and 2 to recover from the abuse of 21 day of 200 plus km stages. It's the key. I knew hampsten was a doper when he said that testosterone did not give any advantage to stage racers only one day racers because it increased.muscle mass. What a bunch of bs. Whithout t you ain't winning the tour, even in 2019
I have to admit, I was a huge Lance Armstrong fan...until his world unraveled when Tyler Hamilton and Floyd Landis tested positive and broke the "omerta" cyclists have. Of course, others like George Hincapie and Frankie Andreu admitted to doping after they retired from cycling, then I began to realize that Lance wasn't the only "fraud", as Greg Lemond calls him. There were many others that have done some type of doping going back a long, long time. You can bet that there were some other forms of doping going on for a very long time. Lance did go on to say that there was no way he would have won any of the TdF titles without doing EPO and blood doping. Others TdF winners were caught doping, like Landis and Alberto Contador, but were only given two year suspensions and vacate the TdF title. So, I'm not defending Lance, but I just don't understand why he was banned for life, when those other two only received two year suspensions.
And, by the way, I did watch documentaries on RUclips about Tyler, Floyd, George, Greg LeMond, and a few others. It's just amazing how prevalent the TdF is tainted, but the "omerta", the code of silence, kept all of this quiet. Now, I wonder if the sport has really cleaned up, or if there may be other forms of blood doping going on? Look at Chris Froome. He claims to have astthma, and uses an inhaler. That inhaler helps his lungs expand. Is that a form of doping? Can Froome provide medical documentation that he has asthma?
Everyones eyes were closed.... Lance Armstrong had a bi lateral orchiectomy., as a consequence of testicular cancer. Chris Boardman health suffered as a result of not physically producing enough testosterone. When it was public knowledge that Armstrong had this operation, everyone failed to question how he was able to function if he was't able to produce this hormone naturally. This should have been a question even before EPO and transfusions came into the picture. The UCI knew of Boardmans condition, yet refused him the TUE, yet didn't question Armstrongs performance with his condition.
...got that right!
It's only 20 years since lance won his first tdf and we are no longer thinking about drugs in cycling, why is that I don't think things have changed in 20 years
LEMOND STARTED TRAINING HIGH IN THE MOUNTAINS AS A TEENAGER---------- WHICH GAVE HIM THE 94 VO2........ IN OTHER WORDS GREG LEMOND WAS SMARTER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE ........BECAUSE TRAINING AT ALTITUDE IS LEGAL AND GIVES YOU GREATER ABILITY.........3rd in his first TDF........LA?? 36th........ LEMOND BEST TT EVER......AND WITH 40 LEAD PELLETS IN HIM STILL WINS TWO MORE TDF.........LEMOND IS THE GOAT.
In all fairness here if any pro cyclist shows up at the next Tour the France with a 14 kg road bike , which is a zero issue with any pro rider that person is the Winner . There is zero reasons why 6.8 kg bikes are being used except to make the smaller lighter riders appear faster than the past 1950's to 1960's riders which were 10 times fitter, look healthier and had less doping going on.
We need to accept that all riders doped and may still dope since the 50s at least
In the second Tour de France, the leading rider was disqualified for using too much cocaine.
Then it's simple: Post your CREDIBLE/FACTUAL proof that LeMond doped, as you keep claiming, yet provide nothing to back up your statements with. By providing proof, your story is more plausible, but you haven't....wonder why?
Please post your proof that LeMond doped, as you claim? by Proof, Im talking FACTUAL/CREDIBLE proof( a former rider/teammate/domestique/etc. Also, what drs gave him, when, how, etc.
Greg Lemond - The Third Policeman
Lemond's a good guy, I wish he had used epo in the early 90s and won the 91 Tour, maybe 92-3 Tours...I think things would have turned out better for him. As it is everybody thinks everybody is doped regardless, its impossible to prove yourself innocent in today's climate.
I am so sorry David Walsh went from the kid in "Breaking Away" who was so crazy about bike racing that he pretended to be Italian -- I mean, David Walsh was a nutter about bike racing when he was a teenager -- to being so disgusted with bike racing. I love the Olympics and I hate cheating, like Marion Jones, Ben Johnson, et al.
I think walsh love to be a famous reporter. Taking lance down sure got him what he wanted, fame, glory and wealth. He knew everyone was on the gear, what a hypocrite. He has done more harm to the sport of cycling that anyone. No wonder he is shunned by the cycling world. Traitor just out there for his own.
@@cypriano8763 Exactly. Pretty crazy how Walsh was going on and on about how clean Team Sky was. He looks pretty stupid now.
@@brianmcg321 no one except Greg lemond has throw the sport of cycling under the bus more than Walsh. All for fame and fortune
2 things on sheepman's comment below, the first part is directly analogous to politics so agreeable however the drugs DO give a performance boost while in action at the limit, so no not agreed.
Simple rule
You fail a drug test
Banned for life.
No more drug problems
In cycling
well when you point the finger at some one else, for then its stopped it being pointed at you for what you are doing or have done in the past , they all dope not just cyclists track and field,running,football,rugby ever sport dopes at all levels theres to much money involved and this has been going on for many yrs, but the drugs don't do the work for them, with drugs they recover so quickly and can have same performance day in day out, but they have to put in the very hard work
Wikipedia:Blood doping probably started in the 1970s but was not outlawed until 1986. While it was still legal, it was commonly used by middle and long-distance runners. The first known case of blood doping occurred at the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow as Kaarlo Maaninka was transfused with two pints of blood before winning medals in the 5 and 10 kilometer track races, though this was not against the rules at the time.[27] The American cyclist Pat McDonough admitted to blood doping at the ...
what a deviant Lance is. Don't feel an compassion for him. after his interview with Oprah,I reckon he could become an evil power again if allowed to take part in Triathalons or any other sport. livestrong would be better to change their name if they want donors. They do not put any money into cancer research,only staff promotion. & referrals.David,Betsy Tyler,Emma exposed Lance for what he is: a talent who took the wrong road. Greg may prosper in time,hope so.
It was in a cafe. We set down to talk. The first thing Lemond wan't to know is if I am wired and recording the conversation. He constantly scans across the room full of people twisting his neck to look over his shoulder behind him. The guy is a nut. A paranoid freak. It's because that's how HE operates. He is wired. He clandestinely records all of his phone conversations. Like they say Greg, the curse of a liar is not that no one believes you..... it's you don't believe anyone else.
That's exactly the personality I've uncovered in my research of.mr clean. There's something shady about that guy. The testemonial of interviewers and fellow pros is somewhat consistent. The full truth will come out eventually. I just don't believe him. You look at em in interviews, he's gittery, his answers are erratic, his body language and eye movements are just off. I'm with you, don't trust him. Sure lance is no angel.but pretty he ain't either.
dream on...I am talking about Greg Lemond why are you talking about a depeche mode album.....obviously you never raced a bicycle !
Dream On is Aerosmith not Depeche Mode
To this day I will not spend one penny on a product from Nike or Trek for the way they treated Lemond after Armstrong turned his vengeance towards him. F@&# you Nike and Trek. Not one penny.
The same reason Lance was so targeted....only because people are now say ing that Lemond was the greatest american cyclist...the other riders you mentioned aren't Americans :) But yes, epo hit the peloton in the late 80's, and that has been proven, if you consider riders admitting it proof...also, the cases of epo and cycling starting to appear in 87 points to the fact that is was around a long time before they started blood testing.
Remember that Lance passed all UCI tests. All competitive riders of the tour are dopers. The UCI and others went on a witch hunt to bring down this guy from the USA who dominated their sport. Yes, they see it as a European sport. Shame on the UCI!
Hear, hear... Crop duster man.
We all know they are doping... What I loved about the Tour was the danger.. the free spectators ( able to get in the riders faces and run along with the riders... ).. the Tour organizers... knowing the riders where doped... picking the most brutal and ridiculous climbs possible... Lance and the take no prisoners back from cancer fairy tale... and being able to sit at home getting a site seeing .. holiday view of France and then watching these riders... nearly kill themselves riding for 21 so days.. up and down Everests..... No one really gave a toss about the doping... it was what is was.. the best man won.. and this Walsh guy never understood.... the sport.. sky doesn't understand the sport either... you let all the teams get a day in the the sun a day in the spotlight for their fans and sponsors.. rather than grind it out in the front..day after day... boring everyone to death.. killing all sponsorship and putting fans like me asleep
If you don't know the people who saw it...then you won't have your proof.
Nothing but a bunch of haters
No evidence exists because it was undetectable and not even banned at the time.also, Greg Lemond to this day won't reveal who his doctor was, most likely, because only his doctor can prove he used EPO. There are books about riders and by riders that admit to using epo as early as 1988, all of this information about epo not being used until the mid 90s is provided by none other then Lemond himself. EPO was approved by the FDA in 1989, so was available in Europe and through other means way before.
all of cycling knew what was happening then. The sport was just as bad, as any single man.
...you have no clue.
I agree, keep spreading the truth.
Lemond did use EPO.
Why so focused on Lemond? For the same reason Lance was so focused on...people are now saying that Lemond was the greatest american cyclist, the riders you mention aren't Americans :)
And actually, there are cyclists that died from taking epo as early as 87...and reported use of it even back to 85. To think Greg Lemond didn't have access to EPO is just blind....the same blindness that people thought Lance was innocent until he admitted it.
VO2 max? It sounds like you are reading straight from Lemonds BS he used to spout... when Lemond rode, they didn't even blood test. It's too bad tho, cause it would show Lemond used EPO like many other of the top riders in the peloton did since 1988.
Coincidence that EPO started being prescribed to people with anemia the same year that anemic Lemond had a miraculous comeback and won the TDF after not being on a bike for 3 years in 1989? Never believe a cyclist, especially one that is so obsessed with others cheating....takes one to know one.
David Walsh is just another clown on this circus of proffesional cycling.
baloney.
Greg doped and all on the squad knew it. This is total BS!
Haha ypire very funny, lemons never doped you clearly know nothing about Greg lemond
Incidentally what type of condition is Lemond in now? All that great natural physical prowess and all… he must be in fantastic shape…Lance certainly is.
That's all fine and dandy but Lemond cheated too.