Paul Kimmage was humiliated by Armstrong at event press conferences and the audience clapped and laughed at Kimmage. But he was right all the time and was brave to take his stand. This often happens in politics too where people risk there careers and reputation in order to speak the truth.
LANCE: "Oprah … I’m telling you, the playing field was level. This is demonstrably false, for two reasons. One, Armstrong was a hyper-responder to the red cell booster, EPO. That’s because his natural hematocrit ratio was a low level for a pro cyclist, ranging from 38 to 41. The ratio that set off alarms of suspicion in tests (when Armstrong won his 7 Tours) was 50. Armstrong therefore had more room for artificial red blood cell improvement than most cyclists. Two, Armstrong paid the most money (provably $1 million and more likely $5 million during his 7 Tour wins) for exclusive services of the sport’s top blood doping doctor, Italy’s Michele Ferrari, who has been banned from cycling and faces criminal charges in Italy.
@@mattybt400Yes, we will never hear about the clean riders who were never offered a pro contract because they couldn't keep up with the peloton. Those are the true losers here, and they will never be interviewed by Oprah.
Here is what this book I am reading says (Bad Blood by Jeremy Whittle): The Tour de France was built on decent, old-fashioned values -- in everything I had read, the chivalry, self-sacrifice and honour . . . . The more time I spent in press rooms and . . . chatted across dinner tables where tongues were freed by red wine, the more I understood that doping was everywhere. ** Thank God for the journalists.
Perhaps, but that's what I gleaned from his own book. He said he took a short cut and cheated, albeit as a kid, "Because I couldn't stand the thought of getting beat". This attitude I found continued in him as an adult: time and again he missed lots of training because he couldn't be bothered, and ended up being so tired he gave in to drugs as a result, but he was still never going to win anything and always complained of never making ends meet financially. How to do that? Write a kiss and tell.
I think you know damn well there is hardly any comparison between the two guys concerned. Try reading rough ride- and i mean read it PROPERLY - which Stephen Roche obviously didn't
Baffling how some can defend Armstrong. The only defence is that he has done a lot for charity. Do the ends justify the means? Hard to say. I'm going with no. He has no remorse over cheating and in a time when it was rife then perhaps. However, protecting himself through using and bullying others, publicly attacking anyone who dared even link him to dopers, never mind asking him personally. That's really low. Threats sent to people who suspected he was breaking the rules. The only way you stopped this behaviour was if you were inside the sport pissing out. People slate Kimmage, but he rode clean or at the very least wanted a clean sport. Lance built a career on lies, drug abuse, intimidation and using cancer survivor as an excuse. Surviving cancer is a lucky thing, but using it to justify cheating is an insult to cancer survivors. Lance the Liar. Were there others who cheated? Undoubtedly. Does that make it okay? No. Who won all the time? Lance. Who gained the most? Lance. Who deserves to lose the most and be branded the worst of the lot? Lance. Should dopers be allowed back into the sport? No. Not without a 10-20 year ban, like murderers and thieves. Rehabilitation before reintroduction, if at all. If you dope, you are trying to gain an advantage over your opponents by working less hard and taking credit for false victories. What a role model! Should pedophiles be allowed near children after what they've done? Hell no. Same principle should be for dopers in cycling. Should accountants embezzling funds be given another shot at their job? No because the trust is gone. They should be fired and jailed for their crime. They try the easy way to make gains, they should pay for that. You get your chance to be honest and do your job right. It's not a mistake to cheat, it's a deliberate attempt to break rules. Doping is not a mistake. It's a major choice you make. Cheats make decisions and hope for a second chance to pretend they didn't try get around the rules. No free passes. No exceptions. Why is Lance allowed anywhere near the sport now?
Not defending him at all. Just saying that most athletes dope. The former head of the U.S. Anti doping agency came forward to say over 2000 US athletes had abnormal drug test results. It was all covered up.
Claire Lavers It is defence. Its the implication that because most athletes dope, Lance shouldn't be singled out, which is wrong. Lance went over and above cheating. He deserves singling out for that. Just because everyone's at it, doesn't make it right. Nor does it exempt anyone from criticism. But in a case linked to Lance as the ringleader, he's the target.
Have i? can you please point me to where i have insulted young girls as you say on here? seriously where have i? look hard,very hard,but you wont find any insults directed to young girls richard. fyi richard,because someone claims to be a certain gender,doesnt really mean its factual. if i didnt know any better id say you and sean kelly are the same person.
Yes you're right he had a hard time and struggled with morale and he did pack a lot of races. He was a good rider who wasn't cut out for that life but try to remember he stuck it out for 4 seasons so he can't have been that big a loser can he? Do you not think you are ever so slightly missing the point? Nobody who believes in what paul wrote has fell for anything "big time"- you are totally off the mark with that comment. would you rather rough ride and breaking the chain etc were never written?
i see you have changed your username from sean kelly to Richard Kuklinsky,why one would have to ask? lol but i knew that the moment you started to defend sean kelly ie yourself under a different username. what an interesting character you are. A dr jeckell and mr hyde type character! you have now taken to accusing me of being a pervert and sending a disgusting text to a young girl...... you clearly have lost the plot altogether. but keep going,i not sure what you have achieved,but keep going!:D
When you put it like that, I retract my sentiments. I'm glad Rough Ride was written, but I am sceptical about his reasoning, Danny: it made him money. If he thought he was going to get slung in jail for a month and not paid one penny, would he have written it? Not a chance. Similarly, had he been able to win races on drugs, I believe he'd have continued to do that. Yes I'm glad he wrote it, but he's still a cheat who prospered via his cheating.
@JK Rai "How many of us get to have a life like he has had? I would have done exactly the same if it was me." Not everyone is like you and Armstrong. I wouldn't do it, and there are plenty of example of other athletes who never did nor would cheat. Read Calvin Smith's autobiography.
I'm a 15 y/o irish girl that loves cycling. I find Dackie Dan's comments absolutely disgusting. What makes you think it's ok to insult people "not right in the head" "Tourettes" Just because you don't agree with another opinion. You have also been told how to spell Roche yet still keep spelling it wrong. I'm very new to youtube and I hope there aren't too many people as disgusting as you. Please stop picking on the same person over and over.
I've read Rough Ride, in which he laments his bad luck and poor treatment like a wingeing five year old. He made no attempt to make his own luck by training or maybe finishing a race now and again. The self pity of the man is astonishing, when it rained it was only him who got wet, when it was cold only the "victim" felt it, in the mountains only poor old kimmage found it hard. He's a "feel sorry for me" character, and you fell for it big time. Count me out for Mr 'I'm sooo hard done by'.
His own self pity has nowt to do with the transgressions of Lance. Everyone is a dickhead sometimes. Disliking someone has nothing to do with their being right.
Claire Lavers - You missed the point, other dopers didn't destroy peoples lives as Lance did. If all he did was dope it would be forgivable. Destroying peoples lives with lies, threats, destroying their careers/businesses, suing them all because they told the truth is well beyond what any other doper has done.
Paul Kimmage was humiliated by Armstrong at event press conferences and the audience clapped and laughed at Kimmage.
But he was right all the time and was brave to take his stand. This often happens in politics too where people risk there careers and reputation in order to speak the truth.
Absolutely Paul. It is the way he treated people that is his biggest sin.
LANCE: "Oprah … I’m telling you, the playing field was level.
This is demonstrably false, for two reasons. One, Armstrong was a hyper-responder to the red cell booster, EPO. That’s because his natural hematocrit ratio was a low level for a pro cyclist, ranging from 38 to 41. The ratio that set off alarms of suspicion in tests (when Armstrong won his 7 Tours) was 50. Armstrong therefore had more room for artificial red blood cell improvement than most cyclists. Two, Armstrong paid the most money (provably $1 million and more likely $5 million during his 7 Tour wins) for exclusive services of the sport’s top blood doping doctor, Italy’s Michele Ferrari, who has been banned from cycling and faces criminal charges in Italy.
Not to mention some riders were trying to ride clean.
Dr.Frankenstein and his ready,willing and quite able monster.
@@mattybt400Yes, we will never hear about the clean riders who were never offered a pro contract because they couldn't keep up with the peloton. Those are the true losers here, and they will never be interviewed by Oprah.
good job paul.
You mean understatement
He was very aggressive when it came to litigation over so called lies. It's not an overstatement at all.
Read Paul's autobiography when I was a young cyclist back in earlier 90s.
When a corporate psychopath is caught...
Here is what this book I am reading says (Bad Blood by Jeremy Whittle): The Tour de France was built on decent, old-fashioned values -- in everything I had read, the chivalry, self-sacrifice and honour . . . . The more time I spent in press rooms and . . . chatted across dinner tables where tongues were freed by red wine, the more I understood that doping was everywhere. ** Thank God for the journalists.
Perhaps, but that's what I gleaned from his own book. He said he took a short cut and cheated, albeit as a kid, "Because I couldn't stand the thought of getting beat". This attitude I found continued in him as an adult: time and again he missed lots of training because he couldn't be bothered, and ended up being so tired he gave in to drugs as a result, but he was still never going to win anything and always complained of never making ends meet financially. How to do that? Write a kiss and tell.
I think you know damn well there is hardly any comparison between the two guys concerned. Try reading rough ride- and i mean read it PROPERLY - which Stephen Roche obviously didn't
He got greedy and came out of retirement and got caught.
And everyone has the right to be pissed off at ANYONE who cheated - Kimmage included.
@JK Rai He was caught, is why. They all should be penalised.
He's comin' 4 u and Rochey next Kellyer, watch out...
Baffling how some can defend Armstrong. The only defence is that he has done a lot for charity. Do the ends justify the means? Hard to say. I'm going with no. He has no remorse over cheating and in a time when it was rife then perhaps. However, protecting himself through using and bullying others, publicly attacking anyone who dared even link him to dopers, never mind asking him personally. That's really low. Threats sent to people who suspected he was breaking the rules. The only way you stopped this behaviour was if you were inside the sport pissing out. People slate Kimmage, but he rode clean or at the very least wanted a clean sport. Lance built a career on lies, drug abuse, intimidation and using cancer survivor as an excuse. Surviving cancer is a lucky thing, but using it to justify cheating is an insult to cancer survivors. Lance the Liar.
Were there others who cheated? Undoubtedly. Does that make it okay? No. Who won all the time? Lance. Who gained the most? Lance. Who deserves to lose the most and be branded the worst of the lot? Lance.
Should dopers be allowed back into the sport? No. Not without a 10-20 year ban, like murderers and thieves. Rehabilitation before reintroduction, if at all. If you dope, you are trying to gain an advantage over your opponents by working less hard and taking credit for false victories. What a role model!
Should pedophiles be allowed near children after what they've done? Hell no. Same principle should be for dopers in cycling.
Should accountants embezzling funds be given another shot at their job? No because the trust is gone. They should be fired and jailed for their crime.
They try the easy way to make gains, they should pay for that. You get your chance to be honest and do your job right. It's not a mistake to cheat, it's a deliberate attempt to break rules. Doping is not a mistake. It's a major choice you make. Cheats make decisions and hope for a second chance to pretend they didn't try get around the rules. No free passes. No exceptions. Why is Lance allowed anywhere near the sport now?
Not defending him at all. Just saying that most athletes dope. The former head of the U.S. Anti doping agency came forward to say over 2000 US athletes had abnormal drug test results. It was all covered up.
Claire Lavers It is defence. Its the implication that because most athletes dope, Lance shouldn't be singled out, which is wrong. Lance went over and above cheating. He deserves singling out for that. Just because everyone's at it, doesn't make it right. Nor does it exempt anyone from criticism. But in a case linked to Lance as the ringleader, he's the target.
its clear that not everyone is doping ... lol
language timothy!!
its his job to expose these drug cheats.
everyone is doping, you need a motorbike to win the tour.
Guess why he lost? He wasn't doping.
Not fair to say.
Kimmage rocks! Fu EPO scum!
Have i? can you please point me to where i have insulted young girls as you say on here? seriously where have i? look hard,very hard,but you wont find any insults directed to young girls richard.
fyi richard,because someone claims to be a certain gender,doesnt really mean its factual.
if i didnt know any better id say you and sean kelly are the same person.
spelling lessons on youtube??
i still say roach was a user.
tourettes or just not right in the head? mabe you are roach's lovechild? lol
Yes you're right he had a hard time and struggled with morale and he did pack a lot of races. He was a good rider who wasn't cut out for that life but try to remember he stuck it out for 4 seasons so he can't have been that big a loser can he? Do you not think you are ever so slightly missing the point? Nobody who believes in what paul wrote has fell for anything "big time"- you are totally off the mark with that comment. would you rather rough ride and breaking the chain etc were never written?
Lol trollfail, I win GG
i see you have changed your username from sean kelly to Richard Kuklinsky,why one would have to ask? lol
but i knew that the moment you started to defend sean kelly ie yourself under a different username. what an interesting character you are. A dr jeckell and mr hyde type character!
you have now taken to accusing me of being a pervert and sending a disgusting text to a young girl...... you clearly have lost the plot altogether. but keep going,i not sure what you have achieved,but keep going!:D
sorry, but you're wrong in both fact and essence.
When you put it like that, I retract my sentiments. I'm glad Rough Ride was written, but I am sceptical about his reasoning, Danny: it made him money. If he thought he was going to get slung in jail for a month and not paid one penny, would he have written it? Not a chance. Similarly, had he been able to win races on drugs, I believe he'd have continued to do that. Yes I'm glad he wrote it, but he's still a cheat who prospered via his cheating.
@JK Rai "How many of us get to have a life like he has had? I would have done exactly the same if it was me." Not everyone is like you and Armstrong. I wouldn't do it, and there are plenty of example of other athletes who never did nor would cheat. Read Calvin Smith's autobiography.
ffs,im interacting with a guy with a multiple personality disorder!
did he bully you in school or what?
let it go man,move on.
Sap
there are none so blind as the ones who wont see.
fairly selective in your comments there richard,
I'm a 15 y/o irish girl that loves cycling. I find Dackie Dan's comments absolutely disgusting. What makes you think it's ok to insult people "not right in the head" "Tourettes" Just because you don't agree with another opinion. You have also been told how to spell Roche yet still keep spelling it wrong. I'm very new to youtube and I hope there aren't too many people as disgusting as you. Please stop picking on the same person over and over.
I've read Rough Ride, in which he laments his bad luck and poor treatment like a wingeing five year old. He made no attempt to make his own luck by training or maybe finishing a race now and again. The self pity of the man is astonishing, when it rained it was only him who got wet, when it was cold only the "victim" felt it, in the mountains only poor old kimmage found it hard. He's a "feel sorry for me" character, and you fell for it big time. Count me out for Mr 'I'm sooo hard done by'.
His own self pity has nowt to do with the transgressions of Lance. Everyone is a dickhead sometimes. Disliking someone has nothing to do with their being right.
It's "Ope-rah" not Opera 😂. She's only one of the most famous people on tge planet.
Didnt this chap race and also take drugs??
The Tour de France will never be clean. Sport will never be clean. Most athletes dope.
Most athletes dope. Get over it people.
Claire Lavers - You missed the point, other dopers didn't destroy peoples lives as Lance did. If all he did was dope it would be forgivable. Destroying peoples lives with lies, threats, destroying their careers/businesses, suing them all because they told the truth is well beyond what any other doper has done.
Your mama dopes