How a Totalitarian State is Actually Formed | Jocko Podcast & Jordan B Peterson
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- It's easy to believe that a totalitarian state is made up of innocent individuals under the thumb of an evil tyrannt. However, tyranny exists across all levels of a totalitarian state: in psychology, in the family, and in the mid-level.
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This is even more relevant today than any other time during my 40-year life.
How come?
@@samuelsandberg6523 Because they’re about to roll out what they call the fourth industrial revolution. They have literally said on record that the main product of this tech revolution will be “producing bodies and minds”. We become the product in this new technocratic regime
Imagine if communism and fascism merged. Now you have an idea of what we’re gonna get. With the illusion of democracy. Kinda like present day China. We’ll likely get a carbon based social credit system which will operate like eco-fascism. But at the same time, they want to abolish private property and have the peasants all share
So it’s looking like WW3 is definitely shaping up to be interesting. Unlike WW2, this time the Axis powers are on both sides, and the real freedom fighters are in the streets protesting and being smeared as crazy conspiracy theorists by the corporate propaganda machine. So needless to say, we’re screwed
In ten years it will look completely different..far worse.. because we believe lies like, a fetus is not a person, marriage is not between a man and a woman, and locking god out of the bedroom with contraception... feminism is the worst, they should of not been given the right to vote, women leading is the destruction of the family i.e. society
Ukraine is totalitarian society
jeez
2021 and this discussion has been brought back to life once again
1936 Franco
1937 Stalin
1939 Hitler
2020 Zelensky
after watching this I know how real totalitarian society looks like, it's Ukraine today
If we can conceive of laws that we must obey, we can conceive of laws that we must not obey. The law is not a reason to stop thinking for ourselves, considering what our best paths might be, and taking steps along those paths.
Point Curation couldn't have said it better myself.
true. the law generally does not express individual morality
The law was given by God. Anything else is people's guidelines.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed, from time to time, with the blood of tyrants and patriots. -- Thomas Jefferson
Another factor is that when people are in groups they tend to feel invincible and faceless. They feel as if they as an individual did not do something as much as the group including themselves did something. This is especially evident in situations such as protests and riots. People feel power in numbers which can drive them to do things they wouldn’t do alone as an individual.
So true, they can be a coward and carry out criminal acts yet feel unaccountable for their actions!!
So true, the psychological term for this is diffusion of responsibility, no one party feels responsible so easier to do what the group does
Yeah. Like gangstalkers. Suddenly they're no longer personally responsible doe their own decisions and actions. Like the decision to take part in covert organized human rights abuses that destroy innocent peoples lives, and then lying about it to cover it up while innocent people suffer.
@@annapachaclarke2392 Why should someone do something that leads to their arrest? That's just being a dumbshit! If you're gonna be a pirate, you've gotta be smart enough to get away with piracy.
These two quotes always are on my mind when I watch Jordan Peterson:“A rational anarchist believes that concepts such as ‘state’ and ‘society’ and ‘government’ have no existence save as physically exemplified in the acts of self-responsible individuals. He believes that it is impossible to shift blame, share blame, distribute blame… as blame, guilt, responsibility are matters taking place inside human beings singly and nowhere else. But being rational, he knows that not all individuals hold his evaluations, so he tries to live perfectly in an imperfect world…aware that his effort will be less than perfect yet undismayed by self-knowledge of self-failure.
“My point is that one person is responsible. Always. In terms of morals there is no such thing as ‘state.’ Just men. Individuals. Each responsible for his own acts.” ― Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress“I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.” ― Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
I'm a covid hermit, condemned without a job, no home, treated as a carrier of disease, alone, forgotten the year 2122. I'm sure most would be familiar with Voltiare. But I am free !
Striking a balance between group identity and individuality.
Who’s watching in August 2021 and seeing how this is happening right now
The urge to conform is seductive and charming.
The camaraderie is often appealing and disarming.
But darkness, though hidden,
Will pounce once it's bidden,
And the results can be quite alarming.
knife rape?
If you're happy and you know it
Than your face will surely show it
If you're happy and you know it
Clap your hands
-Anonymous
Triumvirate888
Did you make that up yourself?
#MarchForOurLives
I don't like conformity unless its taking out the lesser of 2 evils where some equality is still valid in a sense of order. don get us wrong we love Capitalism just not totalllsarian power. Its quite sickening. trying to perpetuate righteousness by false conceptions of the mind births corruption and spreads like a virus and must be stopped at all costs we can not continue as country that is divided by this tyranny seems we are compromised..The strength of a conquering nation should be internal foremost.
Pretty much Australia now
try the Philippines where 50% of people are divided politically. Because of one person Marcos
Who else is living through the pandemic right now questioning what type of system we liv in
He said four years ago that violence was in the ether. It's 2020 now and man, was he ever right.
fuckin-a sheer madness-the nwo was fuckin real, sonofabith, know were fucked for good, short of a miracle!
This is very relevant to our current situation.
And even more so today unfortunately :(
@@ruth112 yup way more /:
Ecclesiastes 9:13-18
13 This wisdom have I seen also under the sun, and it seemed great unto me:
14 There was a little city, and few men within it; and there came a great king against it, and besieged it, and built great bulwarks against it:
15 Now there was found in it a poor wise man, and he by his wisdom delivered the city; yet no man remembered that same poor man.
16 Then said I, Wisdom is better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom is despised, and his words are not heard.
17 The words of wise men are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools.
18 Wisdom is better than weapons of war: but one sinner destroyeth much good.
Finished the book Ordinary Men just about a week ago, it really is worth reading. I think I had it on my list, because he mentioned it somewhere else already.
It was the first book to horrify me like it did. If there was one takeaway from the book, it was three words I found near the end: Assert moral autonomy. The book really made me question my thoughts and why I stand for what I do.
Point Curation Sounds good. Gotta read that.
All these cops who felt a need to stick together and didn't want to individually commit atrocities, had the option to go home as a group. If the Germans had decided that as individuals their job was to convince others in the group, then as groups they would take the moral road, then the atrocities would not have happened.
Randal Glyph
Would you have been the one in that group coming up with that suggestion?
In particular given the fact that that happened after the war begun (after 1939) and that you, as a policeman in Germany prior to that (from 1933 - 1939), must have seen what happened to germans disagreeing with the national socialist or "behaving" in way deemed as "inappropriate" by the mainstream.
The problem is THE LOST OF TRUST!
You start to see despotism around you happening, and the only moment you would stand up against would be then when you decided for yourself that you've got nothing to lose anymore ...
Let me give you an example from what's going on right NOW.
As a business owner, an investor or even worse as a politician, would you dare to go public against the "diversity"-doctrine or criticize "women's rights"?
@@ghimbos Sure on the left there seems to be an authortarian streak, though I'm not sure why anyone would oppose 'woman's rights'. Being critical of specific ideas sure, but women's rights is pretty foundational to modern republic. But on the right you have Trump literally acting like an Authoritarian, actually destroying institutional safeguards. He is actually and openly incititing violence.
One of the dangerous of authoritarianism I'm realizing is it's actually able to mine both sides of the equation. IT takes a legitimate grievance ( like cancel culture, which I hate with the fury of 1000 suns ) and it magnifies that into a seething fury that blinds you to the authoritarian motives of the groups pushing hardest against it. Cancel Culture and critical race theory is idiotic, but I am terrified of the President of the United States.
I think the Left helped create this, it gave a dangerous right-wing movement the oxygen it needs to spread, but now it's a 5 alarm fire.
Thats the best educational (informative) video on youtube
Pretty sure this is why the military mentions "Foreign and domestic", they have a commitment to the citizens. I wonder just how the military would fracture if turned on the citizens.
(Of course this is also why the 2A' and free speech exist as well)
Cough the secret police from Russia
There are unfortunately a lot of soldiers who would gleefully shoot and curbstomp their fellow citizens. Many others would do so if they’re dispatched outside their home state. And the rest would either fall in line, or face the consequences of disobedience, especially when military leaders become callous and bloodthirsty. Look at what happened to the First Bonus Army and how *men we consider heroes, like Patton and MacArthur,* attacked and killed peaceful protesters despite being ordered to stand down.
The language of taking up another's sin is one I've actually heard of in abortion practice. Sometimes the doctors say that they're taking the women's sins on themselves, since it's the doctor who does the actual killing. Sometimes the staff who work directly with the women tell the ones who don't want to kill their babies to let them -- the staff -- carry the sin of the killing. It's bizarre.
This is the first time I've heard this example. Very interesting and sorrowful.
Humanity has significant pitfalls wired into our heads and hearts.
True its everywhere its your own choice to do you best don't rely on others.
Jordan helping people become aware of our shadows not so we become dark & cruel, but so we can acknowledge the dark & cruel capacity of our own nature so we may rise above it. Living in denial of this truth helps no one. Jordan doing God’s work on a psychological level.
I greatly praise JP for doing these styles of podcasts because it completely eliminates all the noise that is created in edited media. Sure, ads from RUclips do what you gotta do, but that's granted and can easily be ignored. Peterson doing interviews with edited media drives me crazy, HOWEVER, I absolutely love the idea I receive from his doing so (because knowing JP the way I do and the way I have since I've discovered his existence) of him possibly silently trolling his non-supporters. His non-supporters can be found viewing his edited exposure, which exposes THEIR ignorance and the absolute tyrant, fearful, and angry behavior these people have. He's exposing them by simply just being present! It's fucking amazing!!
Absolutely 👌
Bless these great men
This video is very relevant to 2020 and 2021 as we`re pretty much living under totalitarianism in the present day
Anyone here today ?? Covid lol
Has anyone been able to find out the piano song at the end of his videos?
I haven't heard from Dr Peterson in a long time. I know some awful things were happening to him and his family. He was literally killing himself with the amount of work he was doing and he had to stop to focus on himself and his family. I hope he is able to return and start speaking to us again at some point though, we need his insight and thoughtfulness now more than ever.
If you for a second believe in the benzo-story after all that has been uncovered I feel bad for you.
The globalists kept him captive for nearly a year, and only let him out once he agreed not to speak out.
He was an addict, despite having a PHD in psychology. According to his own espoused principles, he alone is responsible for that and the consequences of it.
never more true than today.
Very interesting a lesson to learn not be repeated.
I always like when Echo Charles puts in his two cents.
Lol
WE NEED MORE CLIPS!
"1 in 3 ppl were government informants." he says. This makes me think of all those ppl who want to ask me my personal medical status which is none of their business, it is my own private business only, they ask me, in a very friendly approachable way like they are my buddy, "are you vaccinated?" And i respond "i decline to answer that question." (Just listen to that first 1 minute.)
What a brave and useful teacher! A terrible burden, I imagine. No idea why youngsters get so riled up that they bang on windows and shout horrible things. Must be paid for it.
I like the video but it’s not clear to me that it does what the title says, I see the relation but how does a totalitarian state actually form, apart from one small step at a time?
In an environment rife with identity politics, it forms through a slight perversion of "leadership" that draws an ethical bond between similarly identified individuals, ordinary people who can agree on one root direction... Regardless of the rest of their agreements, or lack there-of, this one root "cause" unites them, and directs them... And with that little "well, you can say no at any time" clause, also comes the "...and look like a coward." part that's never actually said... This draws these united individuals together, since no one WANTS to look like a coward, even ethically... And there's your fostering of the one-step-at-a-time... Starting from small atrocities against known criminals, unwanted, weak populace, the "leadership" continues a slow and progressive decline in moral virtues, building to greater and harsher atrocities along the way... First we blame a small group of "criminals"... Then we add, "useless" and then we scapegoat an ethnic minority (a majority would be too entrenched to scapegoat by default)... And finally, we continue the list of minorities, until we're purging all these "deplorable human genetic garbage heaps" from the ranks of humanity... At least (if you read the gritty details of it) that's more or less how Hitler did it. ;o)
Jordan Peterson is spot on as usual.
Sounds comfy...
Peterson's idea of individual (even minority) responsibility (much greater than is commonly supposed) does map with complexity science: Nassim Taleb's idea that ethics is governed by the minority rule implies that societies are held on course by the disproportionate sacrifices of a small minority of people (which might be individuals though at a societal level it's more likely that cooperative minorities are necessary to deal with more complex problems), but equally that societies can be perturbed by a minority of distinctly unethical individuals also seems likely (take for instance the idea that it only takes one person among several to be an informer for an individual to be busted).
What is the music in the end?
This is..... beautiful, just a million Ted talks and debates in 7 mins
Dr. Peterson, honest question: what do you think is the proper boundary between the individual and the State? Individuals have rights to freedom and bear responsibility for their own integrity, but to what degree are they responsible for the collective? And how can they take responsibility for the good of the collective? is it only through individual development?
What books were mentioned I couldn’t catch that tidbit but I’d like to read what he is referring too
Totalitarian maybe is the majority.
When leaders are using the majority to take freedom from every other smaller group.
THE LORD is good. Jesus Christ, The Son of God is awesome.
Okay?
Why do you jesus freaks keep bringing up your stupid religion nobody asked for?
I've never heard these concepts broken down in this way, so digestable. It is indeed terrifying. There have been many times I've wondered if continuing to live out the latter years of my life in America would be the destruction of myself and my loved ones, only to realize it has nothing to do with solely geography, politics, and/or personal values. It's the human condition to live life experiencing this spectrum. It is scary, yet how do you live without belief systems? It makes me think of the book of revelations in the Holy bible (and many other similar religious texts detailing apocolyptic events). The human experience is a book of revelations that we live throughout eternity. We think of these events as something that will be a literal, final event, an end to an era. Maybe it is both literal and metaphorical, multidimensional. But we live it on repeat. The "fall," the "great deception,"and the "end" are something we experience every day, both in our internal and external struggles, simultaneously. It's the process of the phases we experience in our psychological battles with ourselves and others. It's the cycle humanity has been repeating since...whenever it started. I think the "victory" and the eternal heaven that is said to be established are symbolic of learning from certain mistakes and finally knowing how not to repeat them. True repentance and deliverance. It's a real place, but this real place is within.
Thank you for explaining these concepts so eloquently. Your content is thought-provoking in very real and fundamental ways.
This is happening right now in America
What is tyrants !
Swap out policemen for Antifa members
First they brain Andy Ngo... then they stalk and murder a Trump supporter... yep, it's an escalating thing.
I brought Ordinary Men today
Sweden in on a weird path of tyrant-less, bureaucratic totalitarianism.
To make your point but in the case of women. I suppose that it wouldn’t be easy to watch your children indoctrinated and having to pledge allegiance to their country over their own families. They raise these children to be loyal and appreciate their way of life. The children grow up believing in their government and the mothers let them go off to war to fight for something that’s horrid. How can that be better then anything we currently have here in America? Too bad a lot of our young people hate our country.
Could anyone site a source for the statistic: 1/3 people in East Germany were informers? I need it for an essay. Please and thank you.
Google is ur friend
At a young age you sense the sentiment of the adults, not having any guidance or experience to distinguish right or evil, you simply assume the present sentiment is the way the world works and functions. As a consequence, you accept it and follow it.
In other words, there exists a trickle-down effect from the evil leader.
Subtitulos :(
المسؤولية الفردية كأفراد
Everything in the description except the song D:
Why is this video unavailable?
So it is basically a book about Acediemia and the abuse of graduate students.
I dont know where to post this,, or if there is any use doing it. But,, Jordan Peterson would please run for public office here in Canada. Seriously,, Conservatives dont seem to be able to field candidates with any credibility. I know its a lot to ask, But im asking, Please JP.
Is this channel run by Jordan?
No. But it is under his control. He's just not the one uploading.
yes, well his family I think.
I assume his son
His daughter and wife do the edits and make the clips and upload them
+Liquid Swan good to know
Your group identity should be humanity first, but also country and religion. Stick to what evolved, never to what may have been formed recently.
There's a third way... it's called culture. And culture(s) are not necessarily beliefs.
I don't quite get the meaning behind Jesus givving up his life.
I get he's saying that people need to recognise that they're the sinner, and continues on to people are capable of horrible things without being aware of it, but I feel like there's somrthing more behind the Jesus thing. Can anyone explain?
You see, when Adam and Eve sinned at the garden sin entered the world and not only sin but dead. The bible tell us "the wages of sin is dead" (Romans 6:23)
That's why we all die, not only physically but spiritually.
Sin separates us from God. Before they eat the fruit, bible tell us God talked with Adam. But afterwards men separated from God because of sin.
We have now a fallen nature, no man wants to be submitted to God because they love their sin and don't want to repent from it
The Lord Jesus Christ came to the world to reconcile us back to God.
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
1 Timothy 3:16
You see, in the old testament Israel offered sacrifices for every sin so they could be clean from it.
Now the bible tell us that by the law no man will get saved, because by the law is the knowledge of sin
"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:20
In other words, when they offered those animals the individual got cleanse from the sin he/she committed but his/her heart wasn't clean.
"And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;" Hebrews 10:11&12
It was required the dead and blood of the animals to get clean.
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Romans 6:23
"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."
But the man got back again to sin because of his fallen nature.
There is only One way we can be cleanse of sin. If a man without blame (no sin on him) was offered as a sacrifice.
No man can take that place because we all descend from Adam we all sin.
But God came to the world (in the likeness of man)
"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:" Romans 8:3
not born of men(descendant from Adam) but came by a virgin.
There was no sin in our Lord Jesus Christ, he is God incarnate in the flesh(body).
He came to die for us as the sinless Lamb of God. He died on the cross with the sins of the world (our sins), he shed his blood so we can be cleanse of our sin.
"Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification."
Or justification is no longer about what we can do for ourselves or for God, but about what God did for us.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
Jhon 3:16&17
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2 Corinthians 5:17-21
Jesus is the representation of "the self".
You have good instincts this is one of his most important themes which he emphasizes most strongly in his Personality & Maps of Meaning courses but he didn't get a chance to finish his thought in this clip. In Jesus' crucifixion he is not only the victim taking on humanity's sins and suffering and making us aware of our wretched state but he is also the priest making the voluntary sacrifice that atones for sin and overcomes suffering and death. Peterson argues that the voluntary sacrifice that overcomes death is a fundamental evolutionary part of human psychology and is the antidote for nihilism and totalitarianism as when people, starting at the level of the individual, are willing to sacrifice of themselves for the ultimate good they find meaning in life and will not fall prey to ideologies or despair.
you dont need to belive in the supernatural to be rational and moral being, i agree with him on many things but this is utterly not true
True, but there are more pitfalls for the nonbeliever. Just my experience. I guarantee the rioters, looters, anarchists and murderers more than not are nonbelievers.
The worst type of tyranny is when you associate it with a religion & that's what exactly happened in middle east and continuing.
Yikes!
Ordinary Men is an expression of our vulnerability to immoral, wayward men and the influencers within the tribe who blindly and unabashedly follow the dictates of those men. Most men will do anything, become anything, and believe anything to avoid criticism leading to social alienation.
Re: 'Ordinary Men'-
Yea, but they STARTED OUT as cops, so...
Jordan, that's extremely important. Tnx, socialism/ postsocialism is undertheorised, especially in the West, and you put it on table...in that special way/that standard you usually do. l can't discuss it here, as it's a whole dissertation/s, ...u too:)).. what a pity..(that's we do when l find u, cz u have to find me a husband!!), but for the reason that u will be able to take my brief point in it's narrow since, without jumping into conclusions on where l stand on totalitarianism and it's actual specific manifestations, I just mention this....people in the So called Soviet Union... wrong term...especially in some Republics..wrong term... would have clashes with someone from the Eastern Germany, for ex., as their individual identity was in conflict with the collective totalitarian identity. Here two points: collective individualistic identity vs. the collective identity of the herd (the way l see, that's where u often implicitly stand on this matter). SECOND: depends what the idea of a specific totalitarian regime is founded on plus the autonomy of previously existing local structures (not structures in a postmod. sence..haha). This YES automatically implies the autonomy of the notion of totalitarianism, and that's why l so agree it can be discussed in generalized terms. It's just ...it needs to be discussed..in general and in details:))))
Most of Jordan Peterson's discourse on political issues translate to "you can't trust those pesky dangerous liberals with a lowercase b"
uk
it's formed by RUclips
Don’t worry Jesus is coming to save us !
That's what you are here for, so don't sit on your hands too much longer.
Put simply if you point your finger at someone remember the other three are pointing back at you.
Ordinary man sounds like a book we should all read.
His suggestion that the people living under Hitler, Stalin and Mao all have choices to not go along with it but did not, is not supported by historical facts. I wish Peterson would stick to the subject he actually has expertise in, psychology, and stop making overarching generatlisations about political ideology. He is an ideologue and a firebrand, but do not rely on him for facts.
31st!
Why does the tyrant always have to be evil? ... yeah I know it's in the definition but a ruler trying to squash the cancer ( you know? exponentially multiplying useless people ) in his domain can't really be entirely evil ... can he/she? ( whoops meant to say "they" :-)
Lee Kuan Yew is a good place to start.
Jordan you are not intellectual so stop pretending. What you are talking about is NOT your field even, and you are just telling what you read (like Hannah Arendt's stuff).
Ha ha, you just cannot comprehend his reasoning because he is on a higher plane! You can agree or disagree, but he makes perfect sense!
So you're admitting you're a Nazi. Hah! Finally caught you slipping Mr Peterson.
Matthew Van Helden YOU are a Nazi as well. And if you are not aware of this, then you are useless.