I just watched book's tierlist and one line that stuck with me from the jin master himself : "If you say this character is bad, you are the Jin player" Nothing else to say
Seriously, I don't even like Anakin that much (I find Jack to be really boring) but I also don't get why more people don't acknowledge how good he is. Have they not looked at the statistics? Have they not seen how consistent he is?
"One of the top five players in the world is an American." Couldn't agree more, if you don't think Anakin is one of the best it's because you don't keep up with competitive tekken
@30:52 Book parried and instead of doing 2,4 for the wallsplat and wall combo he did 2,1. In that moment he literally did choke the win he could’ve won right there but cracked under pressure. I don’t see anyone else talking about that crucial moment
TMM is constantly going between "Jin has everything nerf pls" and "Jin is one of the hardest characters to play dont nerf him anymore". Usually its the first when someone else plays Jin and the latter when he himself plays Jin.
@@kinderi92 Pure bullshit, he has always had the opinion that he is one of the most well-rounded characters in the game. Check videos from years back to confirm it, also he plays Marduk and he openly says he is cheap af. Don't pick and choose just because you're a hater, grow up - touch grass.
Tekken is among the very few 'games' that I know of where you can truly choose the closest character to who you really are at the deepest level. I'm a character loyalist and appreciate all others because consistency enables scenes like 16:50 to become a possiblity. It's the only reason Book had any chance... Akuma was crushed A.F. If he (Book) concentrated on Jin... He can enter Arslan/Knee/Mmickeyss territory.
Love to see Counter-Strike and Tekken scene healing again (LAN, Offline whatever you want to call it) with Tournaments. Being online warrior just isn't the same.
I love Book's Jin. Maybe because Jin is my personal favorite, but I love how strong Jin is in the game because he is difficult to play maybe not the most difficult. But not the easiest too.
Goes to show how little tier list should matter to people. Sure characters have their strengths/available tools but at its core it will always boil down to the basics; movement, execution, knowledge, etc... (which are things that aren't character exclusively)
@@demonbasher23 I beg to differ. If anything I'd say Tier lists only matter at higher level. At competitive play is harder to get away with "gimmicks" and frame data is common knowledge. But at mid level (where most ppl live) tiers list matter even less since low tier characters can get away with more due to lack of knowledge
Something I noticed about these matches so far is there was not a single grab landed or even attempted. Is it just not optimal because pros break throws like it’s nothing?
Jin is only super strong if you're extremely proficient at fundamentals. Why he's difficult is because: 1) the accessibility of his combos are limited to high execution of fundamentals i.e. micro dashes, wavu wavus, electrics, very specific parry timing 2) He has no plus frame mid lock down move. His only one that was relatively usable in neutral was ff4 which was nerfed to only cause the opponent to be forced into crouch at neutral frames. 3) His 12 frame punish is not "a little bad" it's unusable. Get-up kicks cause too much push back for jin to get any punish. He's forced to use 2,4 which also whiffs more so than it hits. Which brings me to the next point. 4) Range issues on his pokes. Jin is forced to go into his opponents striking range in order to create some amount of an offense. His jabs are very low range. F3 12frames has less range than his df1 which also lacks range. 2,1,4 has so little forward momentum that it can be back dashed. His only pokes that travel forward are F4 and B2,1. Where Jin excels is when he can time you for a counter hit, whiff punish electric, or 50/50 through wave dash.
1) most of his combos are generic tekken combos where you just use combo strings aside from certain pickups or max range f4 on CH without going into Zen. 2) A lot of characters don't have this. 3) Punishment is more than just knowing the numbers, spacing is also important. Jin also has moves that are unpunishable dependant on spacing like d/f1,4~4 even by excellent punishes like kaz or dj b1,2. 4) You want a character with excellent punishment, great 50/50s, a great keep out/CH game, evasive moves, and the best parry in the game to also have mega range pokes? You just want an even better version of fahk dressed up as a generic Shounen protaganist, don't you?
@@xLimitlesso You sound salty. I never asked for anything. In any context talking about a character in the competitive scene, you assume optimal play i.e. optimal damage and wall travel. In order to do well with Jin you need to do all of the above. Not every character is designed this way. Jin used to be a character that was very simply designed. Back in season 1 and 2 you could use generic strings to execute a combo. After season 2 that was no longer the case. F4 with zen needs a double wavu or a wavu cancel for optimal wall travel. Without zen you to micro dash... twice. Once immediately after the CH and another before b2,1. In order to play Jin at the highest level you need to master fundamentals of movement and timing.
@@xLimitlesso Yes but not all characters are created equal. Some characters can walk you down, some can attack you from mid screen, some crush mids and highs, some can lock you down with plus frames, some all of the above. Jin is limited to what he's good at. There's a reason why he's rarely seen in the majority of Top 8's in Tekken tournaments. His gameplay is meticulous and execution heavy. In a high stress environment you want to think as little as possible and receive the highest reward. Jin is high stress, high reward.
@@goldenHashbrown Jin has by far the most success of any of the characters with electric in tournament aside from DJ which is skewed by Qudans, one of the greatest Tekken players of all time playing DJ, and no one is going to argue that DJ isn't top tier either.
That 123 can can wall combo is legit but sometimes doesn't work: low wall splat or off axis splat. And rarely they can just stand up and block because Tekken7 is an inconsistent game.
@@waserdert6259 this isn't why he is weaker than say, Jin. Wall travel is his main bottleneck in season 4, as TMM said repeatedly. His frames are fine. ff1 and FC db1 are ones of the best moves in the game. Full screen whiff punish with df2 and f1+2. Huge reach on his jab - it's i11 for a reason, it would be completely broken otherwise And one of the main strengths, that's it's a very simple, risk free and consistent character. You can't choke with your execution, your setups and flowcharts can't get downloaded, because you have no setups. You just use three moves - 2/db1/ff1 from the distance, until the opponent gets chipped and dies.
@@StepanCaveman Nah I was telling it cause he said "worse than jin? Jack is strong bro" My comment wasn't to make a comp between jin and jack it was just to say why jack is a bad char as a whole and also i do agree that his frames are okay just maybe sometimes it's bad (ik I didn't state this in my comment)
I see TMM is still at it overstating how strong Jin really is. I can agree with him being A+, but S, really? I feel like for a character to push past that threshold, they need to have something overbearing but also good enough other tools that funnel you into their obscene strengths notwithstanding, kinda like in real fighting, which he lacks being the jack-of-all-trades master of none that he is, maybe save for that parry(holy shit is it good.)
Jin is a jack of all trades and then master of some. Best parry, best homing moves, top tier keepout with f4 and standing 4, obscene damage, one of the best low pokes in d4. I don't see how he's not S.
As a jack main there is no excuse why a jack could possibly hang with a jin who is top 10 in this game.. jin has everything for every situation "OP" is what I'm saying.. Anakin is just a beast and yes jack still needs buffs.. his basic T6 move list is basically climbing a uphill battle especially against DLCs. His frames are shit, no parries, weak sidestep, way too honest, and only a couple of moves to utilize...just a overall dated character compared to others. But JACK is still my main and fOR whoever plays with him I feel ya pain.. #JACK #ONE🦾🦾
@@kinderi92 I'm not a Jack main but I can agree that Jack, compared to any other high or top tier characters or even some of the same tiers as him, is not really that strong. So any low-mid tier character player downplaying their own main is pretty reasonable as long as they got their facts valid, especially in the current state of Tekken 7 roster.
TMM when fighting hworang: THAT BACKLASH IS SO STUPID HOW IS THAT BALANCED?! TMM when arguing about Jin's bad powercrush: You don't need powercrush anyway! This is what I hate about TMM. He overstates a lot of the strengths of the characters he don't like and then minimizes their weaknesses. He also minimizes the strengths of the characters he likes. Jin's range weakness is a big deal because you're going to experience it mostly while block punishing. Jin's 24 block punish for example can sometimes whiff after blocking Kazuya df2 which means if Kazuya knows the match up, this is a free duck into ws2. His df14 has similar problems, and so does 1+2. This is not "cherry picking", these are essential moves. F4 is not bad, but it's not a perfect move. If we remove the fact that it's one of the hardest staples in the game (unless you're some peasant who goes into zen every time), TMM still exaggerates its strength. It's very weak to sidesteps and its range can be deceptive. If we're talking about range there are other moves in the game that reacher farther, like noctis ff1+2 which also launches on CH, but also tracks to both sides. FF2 is not bad, but it's a legacy move that everyone already knows how to deal with, like death fist. It's also very linear, so most of the time, when you're hit by this, it's your fault. Also we Jin mains don't ask for buffs. If Jin gets buffs, he's only going to get attacked by haters more which will cause Jin specialists like CBM to turn to other characters more because of peer pressure. We only try to stave off nerfs because the developers don't know how to nerf characters without breaking them!
I really wish people would read this and take it like the pill meme.. idc how bad they nerf jin I’m still gonna play him and I never complained much other than the ff4 nerf from +3~+4 to 0. That one hurt me cause I used it a lot lol. But I’m still here using the same tools this character had from T4
Is not true. Yes, jin have a good set up moves but his range is same a t-rex arms, so it's so short but is already the best carachter in the game i think.
Man I don’t play tekken I just watch it, but I can clearly see how much better of a character Jin is than Jack. Literally every combo threw Jack in the wall and it was over for him, no mistakes were allowed for jack. The amount of patience, pokes and fundamentals from Anakin impressed me so much. Seemed like Anakin had to put way more effort to win. I’m glad he won! Jin might be very difficult to play but even in the eyes of a noob like me you can tell he’s overpowered compared to jack. Beautiful match!
Ani i super smart. Just listen when he is commentating. But pad players and character specialists dont do well in tourney. Its just the way it is. Only little majin with king can win with pad. Since the binds help and he has that jag step thing to take a break from Korean back dashing. Besides that. Pads hurt my hands when going on long sets. Stick or nothing IMO.
Best character in the game is a SF character, the hell are the devs thinking about their game and their community? They don't care? They don't think it is weird? Or it's just me who think strange? I'm a SF fan..
5:40 i have to disagree with you there mainman. Jack vs Jin is kind of a toss up. It can actually be very difficult for Jin to close the gap with his T-rex arms. Jack can abuse jabs and db1s all day.
I will never get why people thinks Jack is a bad character, sure its awfull to watch, but It has very very good mid and low pokes, good back dash and wiff punish, and thats really all you need at high level, no one uses him just because is ugly asf. Anakin as never been held back by the character, it was just bad luck on ending always against Arslan Ash, but this time didn't happen, plus Book just throw a match away just to troll with Akuma so here you have it
90% every Anakin's matches its ff1 and df1 over and over, and it works as you can see, its not that he actually tries to get to the wall that much often
@@gianfrancosuriano4520 what do you mean "doesn't try to get to the wall". What would have shown that he tries to get to the wall? You can take any of the combos in the set, and I doubt, you'll find any that could be optimized in a way, that he gets a wall splat.
He only kinda choked in second last round. Jin's f4 staple is one of the hardest things to do in Tekken. Jin overall is very execution heavy. Even the best of the best like CBM, Atif drop some of his combos.
@@felipez3115 It's not just electrics. Even his more optimized bnb combos like EWHF, WHF, b3f2, bf21 df2 is quite hard. Combo after CH f4 is probably the 3rd hardest thing in Telkem after Steve's shiro and Akuma's FADC.
Why when everytime TMM talks about Jin it's a sly diss? TMM will never be happy until they give Jin more nerfs. Let's all play Marduk, and spam tackle. TMM is a crybaby because Jin player's whoop his ass.
I don't understand character loyalists, it's fine and admirable if you're a casual, but for pros characters are tools to achieve victory. I don't really respect moba players with limited hero pools, fighting game characters are a lot more complex and difficult to master, but if a person can really play many characters well it's a lot cooler than playing one cahracter insanely well, in my opinon.
Yeah but these character loyalists will just pick whatever they need to win, then everyone would just play akuma and Fahk like always... i dont want Leory spam again lol lets just enjoy the people that pour there all into their favorite character. Its why I love sephiblack, you never see Miguel in tournaments ever and he can do so well consistently against lots of tough opponents and as a miguel main it brings me joy.
Anakin has actually said somewhere that he can't play other characters at this level. The way Jack forces you to play has changed his style so he can't utilize other characters as well
@@Leomorg731 I can understand that we all want to enjoy fun and diverse tourney brackets, but isn't that shit on the devs, not the players? It's not the players fault the roster is wildly unbalanced right now, especially when you have the dlc characters ravaging the tier lists.
Dude just do the commentary. Your 'whining about characters for an hour' schtick is getting stale. We get it some characters are strong. Say something new for a change.
@@GigachadLazer I like his content a lot actually. I just have a problem with his constant complaining about characters. And he makes the same old repeated points that he has made before a 1000 times.
@@littylit444 Commentry is pontificating about the ongoing match and explaining to audience what's going on in the match in depth. Pointlessly rambling on and on about how good or how bad a character is iis not commentary.
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I just watched book's tierlist and one line that stuck with me from the jin master himself :
"If you say this character is bad, you are the Jin player"
Nothing else to say
That's what I love about character loyalists, they can make even the weakest characters look strong af based on how well they know how to use them.
Jack is not weak lol he's just average
@@sakushitsugoda6595 I'm talking about character loyalists in general lol but I agree with you
Tell me how bad it is when you get smacked by a jack player tho man. Shit hurts
I've been trying to learn Heihachi even though he's not a very strong character just because he's cool😂
@@jawnjawnson525 Book only won an EVO because of Launch Leeroy. He is not that good.
What Anakin does with Jack deserves all respect, he is a monster, he just destroyed this tournament
Seriously, I don't even like Anakin that much (I find Jack to be really boring) but I also don't get why more people don't acknowledge how good he is. Have they not looked at the statistics? Have they not seen how consistent he is?
True
jack pretty mid character also
He's good but not as good as Arslan. I remember Arslan beating him 3-0, and 9-1 in rounds.
@@engr4051 You can describe the overwhelming majority of tekken pro players as 'not as good as arslan'.
We all know how good he is. He is ridiculously consistent.
"One of the top five players in the world is an American."
Couldn't agree more, if you don't think Anakin is one of the best it's because you don't keep up with competitive tekken
Wow good to see your reaction on my matches Thank you
It's insane how many bad match ups Jack has. Winning with a poking character in season 4 is actually so hard.
i fucking love Nirvana
@@GeZz. Yeah like who would have thought that Kurt Cobain faked his death to become a Tekken fan.
@@Shibu_PL exactly 😂😂
@@GeZz. Same bro, same.
Definitely need patience
I saw this live, it was incredibly hype when Book brought out the Jin, in GRAND FINALS at that!! Both players played hard and did incredibly well!
@30:52 Book parried and instead of doing 2,4 for the wallsplat and wall combo he did 2,1. In that moment he literally did choke the win he could’ve won right there but cracked under pressure. I don’t see anyone else talking about that crucial moment
Amazing commentary! Thx a lot!
Finally, Virjin vs Chad 7
You actually made me lol with the "and reads books aswell"
VirJin vs. Chad-7
Character loyalist?!!!! Where is Jimmy J Tran, we need some serious pro snake edge action!
Jimmy is GOAT! 😎
I would say Anakin is Top 3 right now. And consistent Top 5 for like 5 years now.
Don't forget book. Book reallybstepped up this tourny
every time jin apears in the tournament, TMM: 22:14 activates
It's all in the attempt to when the next patch comes out to get Jin nerfed
TMM is constantly going between "Jin has everything nerf pls" and "Jin is one of the hardest characters to play dont nerf him anymore". Usually its the first when someone else plays Jin and the latter when he himself plays Jin.
@@kinderi92 I think the point is Jin is fine as he is, he needs no buffs or nerfs
@@kinderi92 Pure bullshit, he has always had the opinion that he is one of the most well-rounded characters in the game. Check videos from years back to confirm it, also he plays Marduk and he openly says he is cheap af. Don't pick and choose just because you're a hater, grow up - touch grass.
@@kinderi92 Taijat vaa projektoida omaa vittuuntumistas siellä, elä leiki älykästä. Jäit nalkkii samantien paskan heiton jälkeen ja sen sijaa et kasvatat pallit - heität klassikko botti comebackin.
1:30 TMM is unintentionally funny lool
Tekken is among the very few 'games' that I know of where you can truly choose the closest character to who you really are at the deepest level.
I'm a character loyalist and appreciate all others because consistency enables scenes like 16:50 to become a possiblity.
It's the only reason Book had any chance... Akuma was crushed A.F.
If he (Book) concentrated on Jin... He can enter Arslan/Knee/Mmickeyss territory.
When i play with my bro we always have situations like that
Mainman has like 30 character in his top 10 lol
Great commentary. Nice fight.
Love to see Counter-Strike and Tekken scene healing again (LAN, Offline whatever you want to call it) with Tournaments.
Being online warrior just isn't the same.
Anakin turns Jack into Star Platinum. All you hear is ‘Ora’ when he pounds you
Mainman: Thanks for the 36 months one and a half years.
Me: lol
He's not good at math
Unless it has to do with Tekken
Loved your commentary
I love Book's Jin. Maybe because Jin is my personal favorite, but I love how strong Jin is in the game because he is difficult to play maybe not the most difficult. But not the easiest too.
Love your commentary
7:02 "thanks for 36 months, that's 1 and a half years" xD
If there's one thing TMM loves to do is to overstate how strong Jin is lool
Yea like always 😑
Isnt he?
Knee and Arslan are the only people he struggles with
Anakin also at struggles with Gen and has something 3-28 losing record against JDCR.
if Anakin would play top tiers that guy would be unstoppable, he is just too skilled.
B2,1 super launch punishable on whiff and easily super ss able
Goes to show how little tier list should matter to people. Sure characters have their strengths/available tools but at its core it will always boil down to the basics; movement, execution, knowledge, etc... (which are things that aren't character exclusively)
Somewhat agree. You have to also take into consideration the calibre of these players.
@@demonbasher23 I beg to differ. If anything I'd say Tier lists only matter at higher level. At competitive play is harder to get away with "gimmicks" and frame data is common knowledge. But at mid level (where most ppl live) tiers list matter even less since low tier characters can get away with more due to lack of knowledge
Something I noticed about these matches so far is there was not a single grab landed or even attempted. Is it just not optimal because pros break throws like it’s nothing?
Pretty much
Jin is only super strong if you're extremely proficient at fundamentals. Why he's difficult is because:
1) the accessibility of his combos are limited to high execution of fundamentals i.e. micro dashes, wavu wavus, electrics, very specific parry timing
2) He has no plus frame mid lock down move. His only one that was relatively usable in neutral was ff4 which was nerfed to only cause the opponent to be forced into crouch at neutral frames.
3) His 12 frame punish is not "a little bad" it's unusable. Get-up kicks cause too much push back for jin to get any punish. He's forced to use 2,4 which also whiffs more so than it hits. Which brings me to the next point.
4) Range issues on his pokes. Jin is forced to go into his opponents striking range in order to create some amount of an offense. His jabs are very low range. F3 12frames has less range than his df1 which also lacks range. 2,1,4 has so little forward momentum that it can be back dashed. His only pokes that travel forward are F4 and B2,1.
Where Jin excels is when he can time you for a counter hit, whiff punish electric, or 50/50 through wave dash.
1) most of his combos are generic tekken combos where you just use combo strings aside from certain pickups or max range f4 on CH without going into Zen.
2) A lot of characters don't have this.
3) Punishment is more than just knowing the numbers, spacing is also important. Jin also has moves that are unpunishable dependant on spacing like d/f1,4~4 even by excellent punishes like kaz or dj b1,2.
4) You want a character with excellent punishment, great 50/50s, a great keep out/CH game, evasive moves, and the best parry in the game to also have mega range pokes? You just want an even better version of fahk dressed up as a generic Shounen protaganist, don't you?
@@xLimitlesso You sound salty. I never asked for anything. In any context talking about a character in the competitive scene, you assume optimal play i.e. optimal damage and wall travel. In order to do well with Jin you need to do all of the above. Not every character is designed this way. Jin used to be a character that was very simply designed. Back in season 1 and 2 you could use generic strings to execute a combo. After season 2 that was no longer the case. F4 with zen needs a double wavu or a wavu cancel for optimal wall travel. Without zen you to micro dash... twice. Once immediately after the CH and another before b2,1.
In order to play Jin at the highest level you need to master fundamentals of movement and timing.
@@goldenHashbrown in order to play Tekken at the highest level you need to master movement and timing
@@xLimitlesso Yes but not all characters are created equal. Some characters can walk you down, some can attack you from mid screen, some crush mids and highs, some can lock you down with plus frames, some all of the above. Jin is limited to what he's good at. There's a reason why he's rarely seen in the majority of Top 8's in Tekken tournaments. His gameplay is meticulous and execution heavy. In a high stress environment you want to think as little as possible and receive the highest reward. Jin is high stress, high reward.
@@goldenHashbrown Jin has by far the most success of any of the characters with electric in tournament aside from DJ which is skewed by Qudans, one of the greatest Tekken players of all time playing DJ, and no one is going to argue that DJ isn't top tier either.
If book played Paul phoenix...this will bring back memories... when he lost to knee few years back
both anakin and fighting gm are absolute killers from the us
Ima been a an fan since day 1 He’s definitely up there not even a underdog
That 123 can can wall combo is legit but sometimes doesn't work: low wall splat or off axis splat. And rarely they can just stand up and block because Tekken7 is an inconsistent game.
dude, 36 months is 3 years 🤣
Can you react to that blasted salami tekken 8 concept
When is the next tourney?
F4 super ssable and super launch punishable on whiff
jack 7 has a new wall carry right? his wall carry is not that bad now
how this guy hasnt been called by bandai namco for his insane dedication towards game and awsome comentory lol he should be official partner of tekken
1:32 "Anikin f*cks Book"
Anakin is a beast
1:30 damn that's a lil sus....
36 months is not 1 and a half years😂😂
7:00 36 months are 3 years...
Anakin reads book… yeah yeah understandable
the wall combo doesn’t work cause the stage i think
Can you react to og kodee kazuya player from ceo
For me Anakin is #1 in the game... Playing worse character, yet achieving such wins... amazing 😮
Worse? Than Jin or just in general? Cause JAck is strong bro
@@danilorodriguez8100 Jack is far from strong, he has slow frames and low juggle damage + his launchers and most other stuff require multiple inputs
@@waserdert6259 this isn't why he is weaker than say, Jin. Wall travel is his main bottleneck in season 4, as TMM said repeatedly. His frames are fine. ff1 and FC db1 are ones of the best moves in the game. Full screen whiff punish with df2 and f1+2. Huge reach on his jab - it's i11 for a reason, it would be completely broken otherwise
And one of the main strengths, that's it's a very simple, risk free and consistent character. You can't choke with your execution, your setups and flowcharts can't get downloaded, because you have no setups. You just use three moves - 2/db1/ff1 from the distance, until the opponent gets chipped and dies.
@@StepanCaveman Nah I was telling it cause he said "worse than jin? Jack is strong bro"
My comment wasn't to make a comp between jin and jack it was just to say why jack is a bad char as a whole and also i do agree that his frames are okay just maybe sometimes it's bad (ik I didn't state this in my comment)
Jack is a good character, it's not gigas bruh
Stick to your main LOL But seriously, there is a reason why Anakin is KNOWN. Once Book pulled out Jin, then it got interesting!
What a final.. Now that was intense
Newbie to the community here, but what is it with Pakistan? There seem to be a lot of top players from over there, but why so?
Thats why people dont pick jin in tournaments. Strong char but crazy execution requirements even book couldnt pull off.
I see TMM is still at it overstating how strong Jin really is. I can agree with him being A+, but S, really?
I feel like for a character to push past that threshold, they need to have something overbearing but also good enough other tools that funnel you into their obscene strengths notwithstanding, kinda like in real fighting, which he lacks being the jack-of-all-trades master of none that he is, maybe save for that parry(holy shit is it good.)
yeah because there is such a big difference between A+ and S lmao
There is. S means that a nerf is required while A/A+ means great to mildly overturned, but within reason. There is definitely a difference there. :)
Jin's hellsweep is like 20f and without extensions his jabs are not good. He still has the best punishment in the game.
Jin is a jack of all trades and then master of some. Best parry, best homing moves, top tier keepout with f4 and standing 4, obscene damage, one of the best low pokes in d4. I don't see how he's not S.
@@jone5806 the only thing they always bring up is his range lol, which only ever applies to his jab and maybe his hopkick.
Where did Jimmy go?
As a jack main there is no excuse why a jack could possibly hang with a jin who is top 10 in this game.. jin has everything for every situation "OP" is what I'm saying..
Anakin is just a beast and yes jack still needs buffs.. his basic T6 move list is basically climbing a uphill battle especially against DLCs. His frames are shit, no parries, weak sidestep, way too honest, and only a couple of moves to utilize...just a overall dated character compared to others. But JACK is still my main and fOR whoever plays with him I feel ya pain..
#JACK
#ONE🦾🦾
Of course a Jack main downplays a character, how unusual.
@@kinderi92 I'm not a Jack main but I can agree that Jack, compared to any other high or top tier characters or even some of the same tiers as him, is not really that strong.
So any low-mid tier character player downplaying their own main is pretty reasonable as long as they got their facts valid, especially in the current state of Tekken 7 roster.
True. When after 2,1 (i11 startup jabs) you have with Jack only +3 on hit, you cant call him "very good character" 😏
@@kinderi92 it's facts. I have no reason to downplay him rookie
@@therealmccoy2004 "My opinion is a fact" - Every dumb kid in internet
TMM when fighting hworang: THAT BACKLASH IS SO STUPID HOW IS THAT BALANCED?!
TMM when arguing about Jin's bad powercrush: You don't need powercrush anyway!
This is what I hate about TMM. He overstates a lot of the strengths of the characters he don't like and then minimizes their weaknesses. He also minimizes the strengths of the characters he likes.
Jin's range weakness is a big deal because you're going to experience it mostly while block punishing. Jin's 24 block punish for example can sometimes whiff after blocking Kazuya df2 which means if Kazuya knows the match up, this is a free duck into ws2. His df14 has similar problems, and so does 1+2. This is not "cherry picking", these are essential moves.
F4 is not bad, but it's not a perfect move. If we remove the fact that it's one of the hardest staples in the game (unless you're some peasant who goes into zen every time), TMM still exaggerates its strength. It's very weak to sidesteps and its range can be deceptive. If we're talking about range there are other moves in the game that reacher farther, like noctis ff1+2 which also launches on CH, but also tracks to both sides.
FF2 is not bad, but it's a legacy move that everyone already knows how to deal with, like death fist. It's also very linear, so most of the time, when you're hit by this, it's your fault.
Also we Jin mains don't ask for buffs. If Jin gets buffs, he's only going to get attacked by haters more which will cause Jin specialists like CBM to turn to other characters more because of peer pressure. We only try to stave off nerfs because the developers don't know how to nerf characters without breaking them!
Thank You!!! Finally someone says it!
I really wish people would read this and take it like the pill meme.. idc how bad they nerf jin I’m still gonna play him and I never complained much other than the ff4 nerf from +3~+4 to 0. That one hurt me cause I used it a lot lol. But I’m still here using the same tools this character had from T4
Has anyone asked you?
autism
because hwoarang is 100% stupid
Maybe it's just me I I've never seen this downplay of Anakin that TMMs and his comment section is talking about.
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Mfs be talking shit about Anakin because Tekken fans don't want to admit that America is a titan.
anyone know where is arslan?
Visa problem
@@mizukumecasko1216 with RB as his sponsor, he shouldnt get these visa problems. I hope we see him in EVO
@@agressifff visa isn't a problem for Arslan anymore he can now travel to US without any issue for 5 years, he just didn't participated
Overrated player 💀
TMM didn't react to Book vs Super Akouma because EU got fucked
But still balanced df+2 compare to Paul and other cheap char df+2 safe on block and launch launch even on hit
Jin is cheap
Jin is so balanced those who play knows compare to every other char who is f*** cheap
They cried about his df+2 lol which his good - on block only launch on ch nothing launch on hit just few + frames watch Paul df+2 then talk
@@vikhilsingh2929 cringe
Jin moves s*** range no umga bunga s*** compare to jack
If i was at anakin spot i would die from dehydration cause the amount of sweat 😁
Is not true. Yes, jin have a good set up moves but his range is same a t-rex arms, so it's so short but is already the best carachter in the game i think.
Man I don’t play tekken I just watch it, but I can clearly see how much better of a character Jin is than Jack. Literally every combo threw Jack in the wall and it was over for him, no mistakes were allowed for jack. The amount of patience, pokes and fundamentals from Anakin impressed me so much. Seemed like Anakin had to put way more effort to win. I’m glad he won! Jin might be very difficult to play but even in the eyes of a noob like me you can tell he’s overpowered compared to jack. Beautiful match!
22:05 did he just tell how many frames it by watching the game ??
He memorized how many frames it is.
rofl, fk book, and read book
I like how Pakistan is suddenly in the mix with Japan and korea
They've been for the past 4 years but ok
You're a bit late to the party 😂
I dont like that it is that way
book seemed trigger happy
You have to be an incredible feat to get Jin to a grand finals! I don't care what anyone says
He used akuma mostly lol
Jin is a great character lmao. Some even say he is S-tier.
@@cypi6210 he only pulled out Akuma against Super Akuoma and Anakin
@@littylit444 he is strong yes but he's not S to me, I believe he's A+ in my opinion
So its an even bigger feat to win the whole thing with jack lmao
Anakin deserved it
Some of the best poking seriously s** dmg on those pokes don't even consider those pokes as they literally do no dmg
ok, anakin one of the best player, but book chocked everything last match
what about the other matches where he got beaten anyway
Ani i super smart. Just listen when he is commentating. But pad players and character specialists dont do well in tourney. Its just the way it is. Only little majin with king can win with pad. Since the binds help and he has that jag step thing to take a break from Korean back dashing. Besides that. Pads hurt my hands when going on long sets. Stick or nothing IMO.
Best character in the game is a SF character, the hell are the devs thinking about their game and their community? They don't care? They don't think it is weird? Or it's just me who think strange? I'm a SF fan..
5:40 i have to disagree with you there mainman. Jack vs Jin is kind of a toss up. It can actually be very difficult for Jin to close the gap with his T-rex arms. Jack can abuse jabs and db1s all day.
funny how many jin mains are salty in the comments,
he plays with controler?????????
He s one of the best with you but you are here commentating?
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Why are they wearing masks?
Fashion
Some events or public stuff thinks that covid still is a thing 😂
@@felipez3115 Yeah, because it suddenly dissapeared 🤡
Man I really want you in the commentary box instead of these unprofessionals kids.
I will never get why people thinks Jack is a bad character, sure its awfull to watch, but It has very very good mid and low pokes, good back dash and wiff punish, and thats really all you need at high level, no one uses him just because is ugly asf. Anakin as never been held back by the character, it was just bad luck on ending always against Arslan Ash, but this time didn't happen, plus Book just throw a match away just to troll with Akuma so here you have it
If jack had a normal wall carry he would have won much much easier if you actually saw the games
90% every Anakin's matches its ff1 and df1 over and over, and it works as you can see, its not that he actually tries to get to the wall that much often
Jack is fun to watch, stfu
@@gianfrancosuriano4520 what do you mean "doesn't try to get to the wall". What would have shown that he tries to get to the wall? You can take any of the combos in the set, and I doubt, you'll find any that could be optimized in a way, that he gets a wall splat.
Maybe using some laucher to begin with? instead of only knockdown mid and plus on hit low pokes
EU LMFAO
so late everybody already watched this
yawn*
Everyone in the world knows Hes good, but keep seeing jack wins its boring. I wish the pakistanees can join again.
Man, I love you, but I totally disagree with what you said about devil jin compared to jin
For fuqs sake tmm leave jin alone lmao stop hating. He requires godly execution and timing to be played like this.
and got clapped
Bikini guy is a thing now?? What has this world come to
Tbh, book choked a lot of combos. Correct me if I am wrong.
He only kinda choked in second last round. Jin's f4 staple is one of the hardest things to do in Tekken. Jin overall is very execution heavy. Even the best of the best like CBM, Atif drop some of his combos.
@@mazymetric8267 if we don't talk about eletrics he is not that hard, book droped f4 sometimes because he was late to conect.
@@felipez3115 It's not just electrics. Even his more optimized bnb combos like EWHF, WHF, b3f2, bf21 df2 is quite hard. Combo after CH f4 is probably the 3rd hardest thing in Telkem after Steve's shiro and Akuma's FADC.
TMM always saying some gay stuff
Is he bi or something
Why when everytime TMM talks about Jin it's a sly diss? TMM will never be happy until they give Jin more nerfs. Let's all play Marduk, and spam tackle. TMM is a crybaby because Jin player's whoop his ass.
I don't understand character loyalists, it's fine and admirable if you're a casual, but for pros characters are tools to achieve victory. I don't really respect moba players with limited hero pools, fighting game characters are a lot more complex and difficult to master, but if a person can really play many characters well it's a lot cooler than playing one cahracter insanely well, in my opinon.
Yeah but these character loyalists will just pick whatever they need to win, then everyone would just play akuma and Fahk like always... i dont want Leory spam again lol lets just enjoy the people that pour there all into their favorite character. Its why I love sephiblack, you never see Miguel in tournaments ever and he can do so well consistently against lots of tough opponents and as a miguel main it brings me joy.
Anakin has actually said somewhere that he can't play other characters at this level. The way Jack forces you to play has changed his style so he can't utilize other characters as well
Ye because we don't have enough tier w*ores as is
@@Leomorg731 I can understand that we all want to enjoy fun and diverse tourney brackets, but isn't that shit on the devs, not the players? It's not the players fault the roster is wildly unbalanced right now, especially when you have the dlc characters ravaging the tier lists.
Dude just do the commentary. Your 'whining about characters for an hour' schtick is getting stale. We get it some characters are strong. Say something new for a change.
If you don't like it then why even go out of your way to watch and then comment???
@@GigachadLazer I like his content a lot actually. I just have a problem with his constant complaining about characters. And he makes the same old repeated points that he has made before a 1000 times.
Talking about characters IS commentary looool
@@littylit444 Commentry is pontificating about the ongoing match and explaining to audience what's going on in the match in depth. Pointlessly rambling on and on about how good or how bad a character is iis not commentary.
Yep, the constant whining is pretty annoying.