Almost ate kitty litter trying to follow a MotoAmerica rider at Barber 5/5/24 STT Advanced Session 2
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- Uh yeah. New guy on heat soaked DOTs thinks he can compete with the Junior Cup kids. My life is a comedy of errors. I still don't know how I didn't end up on my ass. The Grip Gods were with me that day my friends. And before y'all start grilling me for being cheap on the rubber. I got fresh Supercorsa's on their way ;)
2008 Honda CBR600RR
Dynojet PCV with custom fuel map and spark correction
Quickshifter w/ gear-dependent kill times
Toce Exhaust w/ cat delete
15/42 sprocket configuration (-1 front from stock). Speedo is corrected. (Speed shown in video data is taken directly from GPS using Racebox Mini S)
Filmed using Insta360's X3 & Go 3 cameras
Onboard telemetry was compiled using Telemetry Overlay and Race Render
Multicam editing in DaVinci Resolve 
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Gotta be one of the very best vids here👍🏻all that data!!! Im UK, but I love this US track! You are right in the mix with some top riders. We get BSB riders in Advanced groups and altho I'm hitting my markers and feel I'm very safe, I'd love to step into Advanced group just so I can say I'm in with the big boys, but don't want to be getting in their way and spoiling their laps. Again awesome data, riding and video editing with the many different angles.👍🏻
Thank you so much my brother across the pond! I loved riding in Advanced, the intensity and no rules on passing is incredible. I know it's going to force me to get quicker just riding with them. I learned a lot from this weekend and going through the footage. I can already see huge portions where I could possibly make up seconds on my lap. Sadly had to leave by session 3 because of my throttle getting stuck open. My next day is June 2nd. Let me know if you start doing any videos of your rides or drives!
Great job, very nicely ridden. You were In with some seriously quick guys! . Great video.
I feel like it was ridden horribly haha but I much appreciate your comment. Thank you!
Another great vid. Thanks. Boggles my mind that guys are turning 24’s on this track.
You're telling me. I'm leaving 20 extra seconds every lap.. That's a loooong freaking time. Some people can't even hold their breath that long 🤣🤣
I'm running the same exact bike but maybe with a few different mods than yours. What you did on aging street tires was very admirable and quite the achievement! Keep it up! I'm looking to move to advanced group this season after I fine tune my bike and feel confident enough! Also, subbed!
Do you have any footage of your track days? Would love to see another 600RR tearing it up! Have you ever been to Barber?
Excellent video coverage ❤
Good effort, may you continue to improve.
Ride on
4:00. Ha, that’s me, #19. I think my bike had problems that session and I had to do a half-ass lap and pull in. The guy I say hello to is Dustin Dominguez. Absolute beast monster. Was one of the top guys about 10 years ago. Now runs a race team. He was out there coaching some of his team members. Great guy. He comes buzzing past you first lap museum corner.
It's moments like that I really enjoy doing the reframe of the 360 video. I'll look around to see what's going on in every direction and face it towards whatever I find interesting. I liked how you just pulled right up and nodded like you guys were old racing buddies used to be on the same team or something. Sucks you had to cut session short. My bike ended up with the throttle not closing properly in 3rd session, had to call it. Will you be there June 2nd?
@@alixvandurand yeah cool to watch for sure. I never take videos so it’s nice when people have these 360 cameras like this and you can really get a take on what’s going on
I had intermittent bike problems all weekend but by the end I think I was able to finish the session. Do you have any more that you want to post from that weekend? I’d love to see myself actually ride ha ha.
No, I’ll be at Road America.
@@daytonasayswhat9333 I have footage from session 3 but it's mostly me just trying to figure out what the hell was going on with my bike. I probably did three laps, kept having to go back in the pits. I'll re watch it tonight and look out for your number, if it seems decent enough or if I see you in it I'll upload it.
Nice setup 👌🏽, That weekend, A group was a little more aggressive than usual, I can imagine was a little intimidating for your fist time. Get some good tires and warmers and even more important "be predictable " keep grinding. I was the S1KRR at 15min.
My number 1 thing that weekend was trying to be predictable since I was getting passed so much. Just have full faith in that other riders know what they're doing and for the most part, every pass was very well executed. No one really surprised me except one JC kid right before my little slip up haha He really looked like his helmet was about to touch my tires passing on the outside. Looking forward to having new rubber and a fresh bike (had some mechanical issues and left by third session), I'll be there June 2nd. Will you be as well?
@alixvandurand no, I decided to take June off the track to prepare for COTA trip in July. I will be back at Barbers in August.
@@grandtaino hopefully I will see you then! And have fun at COTA!
Gangster-ass group for sure. You did fine.
Subscribed! Great data with all the angles couldn’t ask for better, keep doing what you’re doing and keep the track videos coming. Plus we’re CBR600 bros.
Dude, thank you so much for this comment. Definitely nice to hear as these videos do require quite a lot of work in the way of recording and editing everything. And hell yeah to being RR bros! I saw you're based in Florida, you been to Jennings or Homestead?
Great video! I was there that weekend. 🤘🏽
Nice! What group were you riding in? Did you take any videos? If so, link em!
Who I saw in your video… Avery Dreher: 2023 Jr. Cup Champ, Ella Dreher, Trenton Keese, Ryan Wolfe, Jayden Fernandez, and Juliana Fernandez. All of these kids are in Jr. Cup. That’s pretty cool! 😎
I spoke to a few of them, they were all actually pretty rad and absolute monsters out on the track!
@@alixvandurand I race mini bikes with the Dreher’s in Florida. They are fast AF! 😅
They were cooking.
Amazing video! The overall quality and editing is incredible, this was great to watch and I’m looking forward to more. You’re clearly faster than 99% of us in the comments, pro riders are on a different level. Please keep grinding and making more amazing content!
Damn, I'm speechless. Thank you so very much for saying this. I wish I had more to show from this day but I ended up having an issue with my throttle sticking open in session 3 which made me have to call it and pack up. I might upload that video but it's basically a lot of me cursing and confused haha next one will be June 2nd. Bike will be 100% and I should have some good footage then! Thank you again for your amazing comment!
Keep grinding bro 💪🏾 💪🏾 @@alixvandurand
Bro you should probably get at least a bit of a track setup with a more 90% dot tire (q5) and warmers at least if you're going to be running A group.
Good video!
I agree! Although currently I ride to the track so unless I can find a small generator to fit in a tank bag or something, tire warmers may have to wait. But I just got a fresh pair of supercorsa V3's so I'll be ready for this next round!
Nice riding!
I keep myself in the novice class at COTA when I go. September will be my 3rd time on track.
I don't want to slow down the more advanced guys/gals.
Just stay towards the back at the start, in the very unlikely event you get lapped just make sure to stay outside of the racing line and use hand signals to wave them past
@imasealarparparparp2714 I manage to keep up and not slow anyone in novice class.
I'm used to going at speed and can round the track well enough in novice.
I'm more worried about slowing some of the faster guys in the intermediate and advanced classes.
Cota looks amazing. Do you have any footage from it?
@@alixvandurand I have some footage from my gopro from August of 2022 & July of 2023.
This September will be trip three there with Ridesmart.
Nice footage. I'm headed down there for the races Sunday and this was a nice was to get pumped for the action. I gotta give you a sub for the telemetry and camera angles
Thank you! I'll have more videos coming soon after next track day June 2nd. And heck yes I'm so excited for Sunday. I'll be there.
The first reason I checked out this video is because you and I have the same Rev'It jacket (Quantum) 😋🤟.
I see you may have had the same problem I did with not finding the Rev'It track pants to match (im 6'3" so everywhere I tried to find the Rev'It leather pants to match, i learned they didnt make my size (52EU "long").
It sucks that Rev'It didn't make the Quantum jacket in any sizes larger than a 46US/56EU too. I wanted to buy a 48US/58EU, but had to settle for a 46US.
I love the video setup you are using to make these track videos. The helmet view allows us to see when and where you are turning you head, and where your vision is directed too. Cool video and you dang sure ride track way better than I can! Good luck on your track day journey's mate. Cheers 🍻!
Awesome jacket right?? and the colors are so unique. The reason I don't have Rev it bottoms is because a friend of mine gave me his Dainese ones which just so happened to fit me perfect. My mom sewed in the compatible zipper to work with the jacket and voila haha they almost look like they were meant for each other. Thank you very much for the kind words. The setup did take a ton of work to figure out, especially the post work in adding all the data. Happy to hear it is appreciated!
@alixvandurand Yessir, I love my Rev'It Quantum jacket too (it's a great looking jacket and unique compared to all others).
My mother is actually a seamstress, and it's a great idea to buy the correct "connection zipper" (I have some Alpinestars leather pants that fit perfectly). I'll see if she can sew on the right zipper on the pants to connect the Rev'It jacket. Thanks for the idea.
The set-up is awesome and worth the extra work of putting it all together if you ride track. I hope I can, one day, get to that level too.
Cheers, mate. I'll subscribe to your channel and be well.
@@nateellenberger6043 The rev it jacket came with the zipper that you can sew onto the pants. I'm sure Alpinestars does the same thing. You better buy your momma something nice if she does that for you. I spoil mine haha I'll sub your channel too, would like to see some footage of your track days, with that same jacket too ;)
Ya cant beat 360 footage 🙌🥰 im gonna add the Go3 too to my setup👌
p.s Sorry to hear about ya tyres 😢🤗
Initially, I wanted to do full 360 video uploads but the devs are kinda lagging on youtube so it's a bit clunky. I thought it'd be cool if people could turn the camera themselves and see whatever direction they wanted but then I was like nah who's gonna want to do that it's too much work haha I decided to just reframe into 2k and focus on whatever I thought was interesting. Seems to work out alright. And yeah the Go 3 is sick. I want another one. I'd mount it down at the swingarm or something cause I feel iffy doing it with my bulky X3. That's how I lost my first one. Link me your vids!
@alixvandurand i tried mine under the rear (attached to frame) but yeah was constantly worried about it falling off so we've now 3D printed a holder abit like they have on MotoGP bikes 😁 Here's my footage from the CBR125, next will be on the CB500 once it built. Look forward to more of ya videos 👌 ruclips.net/video/-2Ulafxx1uY/видео.htmlsi=zTvXX0WwRXtIR8Nc
Nice. What are you using for gathering telemetry and adding overlays to the video?
Thanks! I use a race box mini S for capturing GPS (lap times) and accelerometer, and a Dynojet pod-300 which connects to my PCV for all the motorcycle telemetry. Then I use Telemetry overlay and race render to add the stuff onto the videos.
Love the video. I really like the telemetry. Im going to barber at the beginning of june. Im hoping to post a video on my channel as well but my prediction is that its going to look a lot slower lol.
I'll be there Sunday, June 2nd. Will you be there that day? First time at Barber?
@alixvandurand I will indeed. It will be my first track day at barber and my second ever at any track. Barber is a much bigger track than the last one I went to so I'm super stoked. I'll be on a RS660. I'm still a pretty new rider(a little less than 2 years), so my only real goal is to keep the shiny side up and the sticky side down, lol.
@@Knoxvillemoto Hell yeah dude! You're going to love it. You'll see me there with the Repsol 600RR in the same spot under the stairs. Would be down to say hello and check out your bike/camera set up!
@alixvandurand sounds awesome man. I'll absolutely keep an eye out for you. The repsol, livery looks sick btw!
What is your camera/rpm and speed monitoring setup? Awesome footage
I use insta360's X3 and Go 3 cameras. My bike's Telemetry is captured using Dynojet's pod-300 which piggybacks off my power commander V. My speed I can either grab from that or my race box Mini S, which has accurate GPS and gyro data so I get my lean angle, accel, true speed (motorcycle's speedo is inaccurate when leaned over) and lap times from that.
Looks like a mix of JR and Twins cup riders testing. Your heart rate is fine. These people have obviously never seen a racer with HRM data on the HUD lol. If you want to see how accurate it is you could always try a few different monitors but it’s not that far off what I usually see in racing.
Great video. those MotoA dudes dont play TF around!! sheesh.
Little dudes and dudettes absolutely destroyed my hopes and dreams. I cried on my way home 🤣🤣😭
In case someone ever recommends deleting or editing out the part where you are at the starting gate - I totally disagree. I find myself getting the same nerves of anticipation and excitement while waiting. It’s intense and Im not even on the bike.
Keep protecting yourself bro. Love the videos. I subscribed.
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I was just thinking about this last time I was editing these videos like, should I keep the beginning or just cut to right when we enter the track? I kinda like the lead up to it for the exact reason you described. I want to make these videos like a little movie, beginning middle and end haha if someone wants to skip right to the action they can
@@alixvandurand exactly. Well said.
My favorite track!!
Glad you're on track brotha. But best money you could spend is on tires. Brakes, hp, experience, none of that matters without good tires. Trust me, your heart is tellig you something too.
For real! Tires and suspension! That's what I hear from all the hardcore track enthusiasts. Also, I think I'm in the bad habit of holding my breath half the lap which is skyrocketing my HR, on top of the adrenaline, excitement and near self-launch I almost had. I think I'm gonna write BREATHE on a little post-it note and tape it on my dash. Should help haha
A camera really doesn’t show the reality of things. As a former expert class CCS and Formula USA racer you can’t possibly understand the speed difference between pilot, semi pro, satellite, and full factory. It is mind boggling. The semi pro guy will pass you like nothing, the satellite guy will then blow past the 2 of you like nothing, and then the factory guy will go past like everyone but the better satellite guys are standing still. Usually while coming up on a corner you are asking yourself what speed is reasonable to make it in 🤣
Looking good.
What is crazy is you are doing a amazing job and some guy just goes by like nothing 😳
Those go by guys, are a different class.
They truly are a different class. You get a whole new appreciation for it actually riding with them and seeing it for yourself. It makes you really criticize what you're doing to see where you're falling short. I'm hoping next time around I won't be so left in the dust.
Thats pretty dam good for warn out street tires. But brother you need to see doc about your heart rate. Its insanely high, most of the time you were in the 190s , it should be down in the 150s and 160s if you have a "moment" plus the Adrillan dump for the next few seconds. Better yet if you can get it down in the 120 130 range but thats asking a little bit to much with as high as it is. So please go see a heart doc, not some regular er doc or something.
Thanks for the vid!!!!😅
My most recent track day I focused heavily on trying to relax and breathe cause I was holding my breath in some sections. I was able to bring down my average and max heart rate by about 25%. Like max 175 and average in 150s so that's progress 🤣
🫣 I had that happen to me, also on S22's. Well... at least we both got away with a severe warning.... 😬🙄
I changed to Supercorsa SP V3 after that. So much better suited for the job. Still will use S22's for drizzly days and road riding, but not pushing them on track anymore.
Dude scary ass feeling right? Funny enough I literally just bought a pair of super Corsa v3s and will be running them the next track day!
@@alixvandurandEven though the S22's have awesome grip, the grip of the of SC's will amaze you. 😎👌🏻
@@literal_lee I loved the 22s. I'm actually going to keep on riding on them for the street because they still have a lot of tread left. I just bought another pair of rims so I can swap out every time I have a track day and not run out the life of the v3s
@@alixvandurand I changed to road 5's for street use recently and went from SC's to TD-slicks. So after almost 10 odd years on S22's for everything, I will only be using them as intermediates on trackdays. All good things come to an end eventually. Ride safe, brother!
I pass you at 12:44 black GSXR 750. Man was I rusty that weekend. First time on a bike since tally bash In November. Also new bike.
What's the data setup that you have I like it
You rocketed by like you were on the space shuttle. That 750 must be tuned so good haha As for data setup, I have a Racebox Mini S for GPS/accelerometer/lean angle and lap times. And Dynojet POD-300 that works with my PCV for recording RPM, throttle, and gears. Will you be there this sunday?
@alixvandurand I wish I could. I did PTC this past week. I dont have any pto this week so I can't. I think my next big event will be rd atl in July. I hope to see you there.
@@Optimus._97 I might be in California in July :( I think after this next one at Barber, I'll go to Nashville on the 15th. After that though I'm not sure. I'd love to try out road atl. PTO is crucial for doing these things. Ours is not a cheap hobby hahaha
Give a set of RS11’s a try, they are very good tires and offer a lot of cold feel.
I got a new pair of Supercorsa's on the bike. I may give the RS11's a try after. Everyone has differing opinions so I'll just try them all and see which one doesn't throw me off on my ass haha
You've used the same set of tires for five or six full track days? That's like 5 to 7 sessions per track day. I don't want to say it's impossible, but I don't understand how. My tires are toast after two full track days usually
Well 2 of those days were in novice which half the day is eaten riding in groups at a very slow pace but yeah, they were toast to begin with at the start of this day. I'll be on fresh supercorsa v3's next time so I'll have a lot more confidence in my tires.
(halfway through the vid and just curious) is there a reason at turn 3 youre at 6Krpm in 3rd instead of 2nd gear? my understanding is that 600cc's are quite peaky in the power and ideally its kept around 10-13K
Likely just a mistake xD Subconsciously I'm trying not to overrev the engine to save it, but also it is easier to control in lower revs so it doesn't throw you off if you accidentally give it too much throttle. It is a struggle I'm trying to overcome though, next track day I'm going to focus heavily on downshifting more so I have the bike in the powerband.
From the start of the video I expected to see you slid on the track, im glad youre okay, and you ride very well
@@alixvandurand Im glad to see you understand what youre doing, and im very impressed. Just on a joyride today (public roads) my rear slid on a roundabout exit and im glad i saved it (I dont ride like Marquez to my disappointment), so I can fully appreciate being wary of that torque at lean. Lovely video my man, I wish you the best
@@ofgheo3889 Yeah no kidding, especially when adding throttle at the same time as lean, very dangerous combo because of the smaller circumference of the tire makes it much easier to slide out. I'm deathly afraid of high-siding my shit and totaling my bike. She's my baby! But we gotta take some risks to get faster. Glad you saved it in that roundabout!
Start at 11:14 for the pucker moment. HOW did you keep that upright?? That was prob so much worse than on camera and it made me spit out my drink. WOW!
Pucker moment for sure! I don't even know man. I thought 100% I'm going into a lowside, but it caught back strangely very smooth where it didn't toss me over in a highside. Definitely luck, no skill whatsoever in keeping it upright that time xD
What type of camera goes inside a helmet?
It was an Insta360 Go 3. With the mount that has a little stem on it, it happened to fit perfectly between the cheek pads so it's solid in there when I put the helmet on. I feel pretty safe with it too in case I wreck. Only drawback is the battery life is rather short when it's out of its pod, 40 minutes on a good day, but sometimes it ran out as low as 25min on what I thought was a full charge so just barely long enough to last a full session at the track. The sound is captures is pretty rad though.
...and for the very few guys giving the author a hard time for "not hitting the apex's", and "...who let you into Session A/you shouldn't be there", Take it easy, guys!!
It says in the title that it's his very first time running the Advanced class, so give him a damn break!!!
Its so cool that he chooses not to be one of these morons doing 130mph+ on public highways and he does it right by doing it on a track! Just for that fact, dont give someone a hard time if they cant ride track "as great" as you can.
Seriously, I appreciate you. In all fairness, I was bumped a little early. I was very surprised when the guy said he didn't have a problem bumping me, I just asked him to give me some pointers and he just did it on the spot after riding with me a few laps. Although he did make a point of saying they tend to look more for "predictability and consistency" rather than speedy lap times when bumping people. He was more concerned about whether I'd be freaked out by the close proximity passing and whatnot. I love it personally. But I was not riding at my full potential this first day, it was also a rather aggressive Advanced group because of the MA riders practicing for the races that just happened a week or so ago.
Also, you're right on the money, I don't like riding like a dick on the street. I cruise, save a few fun canyon rides but nothing crazy. I'm not dragging knee and shit like some guys do. I save it for the track, best way to go.
How are you pulling in throttle position and heart rate from??
I wear a chest monitor that connects with Bluetooth to my phone with the Wahoo app. I record a work out and it emails me the FIT file that I can import to my videos. The throttle position is recorded with Dynojet's POD-300 which piggybacks off the power commander V. It's also how I pull my RPM, and gear indicator. It has my speedo as well but I tend to use my Racebox data for that as it's more accurate.
@@alixvandurand thank you so much! I'll have to try adding all that info. I'm also using a racebox. This is really cool extra data point to analyze!
@@VinnieVu Telemetry overlay is the best for adding pretty much any kind of data overlay to your videos. Race Render is good too but it's a bit clunky and outdated. My bike's telemetry I used RR for the custom gauge. If you have any questions about anything feel free to shoot me a message on my insta or something. It's the same name as this channel.
11:30 Looks like you're hard on the throttle away from the apex. Very close call. Glad you saved it. I'm surprised also this riding org allows 2-piece suits in 'A' group. You may want to consider an airbag vest. They help tremendously in a crash. Be safe out there!
They're pretty relaxed, they don't even specifically mention an "up to the calf" boot like others do. I didn't feel like I was hitting the throttle much more than I usually do but then again I was trying to keep up with that little tyke on his 400 haha Turn 17 is known for being a fairly greasy one too. I think ultimately my S22's were just getting way overheated and were starting to give out. I had felt them slipping throughout the first session too so I was purposely trying to ride a bit more conservatively on them. It wasn't a good situation for sure.
Why telemetry and race render? Maybe you could provide a vid of your content creation process…?
Initially, Telemetry Overlay was not compatible with my Dynojet telemetry from the bike so I had to buy RaceRender, but that was not compatible with my camera telemetry which had GPS/accelerometer data for the lean angle and lap times. I was forced to use both. Since then, I've worked with the developer of TO who has since added support for Dynojet so it now works on both and I've also bought a Racebox Mini S which gives me CSV logs that also work on both. Technically, I could get by just using TO but I really like the custom gauge I made in RR for my motorcycle data. I got it all set up in a template so I just drag/drop and sync then export. It doesn't take very long so I just do it the same way. I am considering doing a video showing how I put everything together.
Hello my men, how much cost that bike with all that equipment ?? I think like 15,000 dls ?
The bike itself isn't worth more than maybe 3 or 4 thousand. Especially with its high mileage (nearly 70k), even with all the mods I've done to it. As for video recording and telemetry, that's around $2000 or so. I'd say maybe 6000 total?
Don't be afraid to downshift more. You are throwing away a LOT of horsepower coming out of the apexes by being safe in too high of a gear. Getting smooth with downshifting is a skill we can all practice.
I'm definitely feeling the same thing. I am subconsciously trying to be easy on the bike (even holding 100% throttle and upshifting at 14k is tough for me sometimes). But I will make a conscious effort next time to downshift more, especially through turn 13 going over the tunnel into 14 cause that whole segment there leading to the front straight I know I'm losing so much time.
How is your breathing? Its almost like your holding your breath, with that HR.
I tell myself to keep breathing but you know from how stressed I was I'm sure I was holding it in a few spots.
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Are you available for hire to set all this data/video overlay gear on my bike? This is flipping amazing 🎉🎉
Thank you so much, it was a nightmare learning everything in the beginning. The learning curve is insane for all the different applications I use to make the videos and even now getting somewhat proficient with them it takes me 3-5 hours per video to reframe (360 to 2k), multicam edit, download/import all telemetry, sync telemetry and export video several times as I use 4 different softwares. I've helped others get their camera and data set up going so they can do the same kind of videos but as for doing it all for them as a service, I've never done it before but I'd be open to it.
@@alixvandurand seriously I tried to link my iPhone to my GoPro to my new Racebox Mini and allow Race Chrono to pick up the data from the Racebox, but it didn’t work lol. What are you using to gather data?
@@VState60 well I've never used chrono, and I don't link my camera to the racebox in any way (I don't even think it's possible). I just record the racebox data using their app on my phone. Or rather it's the Mini S so I set it to record and then disconnect as it's a stand-alone with internal storage. After the session I download it into my phone with the race box app and it automatically uploads to my account where I can later download the Telemetry files.
I wanna see tge reply from the 360 camera?
I'm going to make a short video or YT short of all angles.
Good Job I learned a lesson at Barber also and cost me a bike lol...
Aw bro.. I feel that. It's heartbraking seeing the wrecked bikes come back on the crash truck. Especially when it's earlier in the day. Like the downed bike in Session 1 I uploaded from this track day. Barely 4 laps in and the guy's chain broke causing his whole bike to whip around when it got caught in the frame in the Museum corner.
@alixvandurand ya I had that 4 laps in cold tires etc. Luckily I had my 2nd bike with me now I always keep 2 bikes with me lol...
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Better set up on the way into the corner. Look further ahead, tighter apex’s and roll the power as soon as your there
I agree, I tend to brake then set up and I should be doing opposite. Also gotta force myself to look deeper through the corner, which I'm sure would help the loose apexes and late throttle input. Do you ever ride at Barber?
No offense and great content, as I have good YT videos from barber long ago, and I raced for 15 years but if a ninja 400 MA rider is gapping you like that at the 11:30 mark when you almost “ate kitty litter” I’d suggest staying in the intermediate group. For your safety and others don’t let ego draw you into the advanced group. It’s better to be top of intermediate class than running that pace in the advanced group.
I appreciate your response and none taken! You're absolutely right, I was ill prepared and should have run intermediate that day (a mechanical issue actually made me pack up by end of 3rd session). But next time I'm hoping to be more on pace with fresh rubber and bike. If I find myself still unable to keep pace I'll ask to bump down the rest of the day. Although, I do prefer to run with faster riders because it forces me to look at what I'm doing wrong. Running top of intermediate won't push me. And I'll definitely check out your videos! I'm sure I can learn a thing or two from them!
@@alixvandurand keep it up and work on the things you know are your weak areas. I don’t know your background or how long you’ve been doing track days. Definitely on that day with all the MA riders on track was not a day to be in the advanced group. When I was at barber a pro rider blew past me in my video but it was a Superbike rider and I raced an R6. I think it was 2012 and I was running 34’s I think. Cota is fun too. For sure if you ride in advanced you can pickup lines and braking spots and know if they can brake there you can too. Bike setup properly is crucial though. Good luck with the riding and keep it shiny side up.
@@nateorona 34s is not a slow pace! That guy must have been going stupid fast. I'd love to go to cota one day. I'm considering doing the Nashville superspeedway in 2 weeks. Barber is my absolute favorite but it's nice to run something different. Hopefully I can one day match your pace, as it stands I'm about 10 seconds off x.x
You did good mate. You stayed on course and you rode your ride 👍🏽 dem kids bills are paid for by their parents and sponsors. You go home in one piece OK 😅
xD For real, they really are too. I met some of them, usually the dad is running the team or something like. Really cool though as they do all their own work on the bikes and whatnot. Solo dude riding his 16 year old street legal bike to the track is not about to compete with that haha
Haha! For sure ✊🏽
Dude your rebound damping in the rear is way off. With dicey tires that is a recipe for a crash. Were those hear trate numbers realistic ?
I think they are. But how can you tell the rebound damping is off? I'm genuinely curious, I had the suspension guy who's always at Barber tweak my setup late last year.
@@alixvandurand bouncy bouncy... need to slow it down
You should really go to a doctor about your heart rate. From a bro to a bro that is really high! Please get that checked out. Great riding btw!
I don't know how accurate it is, but I was thinking the same thing xD But to be fair, I was really stressed out this session. I think I may try a different monitor to see if it reads different.
@@alixvandurand I was stressed just looking at that heart rate. WAYYyy too high for non-athletic activity.
@@thengine7 You've never taken a motorcycle to the track before and it shows xD Trust me, 20 minutes throwing around a bike at speed you're winded and your whole body feels like you did a triathlon. Plus the adrenaline kick is like nothing else. I almost wrecked on lap 3, shit is stressful haha
It's obviously not working right, his heart rate only jumped 4 points after a near crash. It should have jumped 15-20 points.
@@alixvandurand I'm hoping that's the case, man. Be safe out there!
One pro tip: stop locking at you speedo, for whatever reason you are looking there, stop it, put some tape over it if you can't.. it makes you slower and every time you look you loose focus for the track - there is a good reason pro riders have no Speedo, and thats because its irrelevant, you have to feel how much speed is appropriate, and you may never develop that sense if you continue looking there..
Ah and another thip: when you try to follow riders in front of you you tend to copy their movements in the moment they are doing them, but because you enter the corner 20 meters behind them you enter the corner too early and as a result run wide often... Keep it up ✌🏻
This is the comment I was waiting for. I noticed I was looking way too much at my dash but funnily no one said anything about it. I'm actually looking at the tach because I'm trying to stay in my powerband without going too close to limiter. I'm sure I can do this by ear so I should do as you said and just put a piece of tape or something over it. And interesting note about following riders' movements ahead of me making me turn too early. Will fix this asap. Thank you for taking the time to write this.
@@alixvandurand no problem, I'm glad to help :)
You can certainly do it by ear, you'll develop a feel for it quite quickly. If you focus on your sight, so looking at corner exit (sorry for the bad translation I hope the point gets across) you'll notice how bad it is for your line if you take your eyes away from the track even once.. also alot of people get scared once they see how fast they go, I've also seen you closing the throttle twice at least because you've took your eyes away from the track - which is totally natural, when looking at the dash you can't see where you're going...
If you really need to check if you're in power band visually, get some RPM lights that you can see with peripheral vision
As we say in Germany, remain seated ✌🏻
Edit: ah and I would love to see some suspension telemetrics, I think that would be very interesting especially to analyze the data together with the videos
@@TheFlyBullet ah you are from Germany? Been there a few times and loved it! Suspension telemetry would be very interesting, although I'm not sure where to begin on how to do it.
There's a big difference between a 1:30 and a 1:45.
no kidding, I definitely feel I could go faster in certain parts, either by correcting my RPM or running tighter apexes but I don't think I could gain more than a few seconds from that. 15 seconds is a ton, and a 1:30 barely gets you qualified for some MA races!
Squid’s always blame it on the tires
I'm a squid then ;) I also blame those motoamerica kids. Blame everything but myself hehe
What the hell is yeeted, and how does one yeet himself?
"to throw something without care" lol which I very nearly was haha I couldn't think of anything that early in the morning when I first uploaded but have since come up with a much better title ;)
What baffles me is you have good riders around you to follow, like the girl on the ninja 400/R3 or whatever it was, but you keep taking the same terrible lines even when there’s someone RIGHT THERE showing you where to go.
It baffles me too :) Do you have a video of yourself at barber I can see of you showing where I need to be?
@@alixvandurand I race in ASBK, we don’t go to Barber..
Maybe see if you can keep one of the kids on the 400s in sight long enough to figure it out, you’ve got twice their hp, how hard can it be?
@@sueandtimacousticduo5444 I purposely did not pass 400s on the straights so I could see their line and when I tried to follow it that's when my bike went loose lol I was dumb for thinking my old DOTs could last another day especially at that pace. That's rad you race in ASBK! You don't post any vids of it? Would love to see that.
@@alixvandurand no onboard cameras allowed at that level here.
I did see you deliberately not passing on the straight a couple of times, it was great, not everyone is that considerate.
Your main problem is your lines are way too shallow, you’re braking late but you’re too deep into the corners to carry any speed. Try staying further right on entry to left handers and carrying more speed through the corner with a bigger arc.
@@sueandtimacousticduo5444 this is perfect, thank you for this. Honestly I felt I was braking a little early still and most certainly I saw I was turning in too early in same places that was hindering my cornering speed. I hope to improve much more in 2 weeks at the next one. That sucks they don't allow onboards. Would love to see you do your thing.
Your heart rate was up to 197? How old are you?
33. But I look younger :p
@@alixvandurand At 33 your max heart rate should be between 185-190. How the hell were you up to 197? Maybe your monitor isn't working. Either that or you were on the verge of having your heart explode. LOL
@@Screenwriting it went up to 202 last time around. I just bought a Polar heart monitor and compared the two side by side and they were pretty much spot on. I don't know my heart just beats faster I guess? My resting hr is normal, blood pressure is good. The adrenaline just kicks pretty hard. I feel great when I'm out on track.
@@alixvandurand Wow, that's wild. And fascinating. A guy I met at a race who said he used to do a lot of heroine and now racing fulfills that same craving. I never got to that level but I do find it meditative since you can only focus on the present. I almost feel like my heart slows down after a few laps. I'll have to check it out next time.
Great videos. Please see a doctor about your heart rate, brother. Take it from someone who had high blood pressure without knowing it. It could have ended badly for me. Your heart seems to be working way too hard for what you're doing. At peak, you shouldn't be going above like 170.
Every time I've done blood pressure tests at doctors they always say I'm smack where I need to be. I agree it is quite high but the rush is like nothing else. Good news is, my last track day I just did I was able to bring down my HR by quite a bit by remembering to breath and putting focus on relaxing more.
Lets get the excuses out of the way first
xD excuses are so easy thoooo
I'm disturbed by your heart rate. Shouldn't it REALLY be around, oh, 120 to 140, like a brisk walk if even that?
hahah I'm a bit disturbed as well as I don't believe my monitor is that inaccurate. However, it's not just the sheer exercise of maneuvering a motorcycle at speed around a track (because it is very physically demanding), it's also the adrenaline rush, excitement, and this being my first day in the Advanced class, stressed tf out cause people were passing me left and right which is jarring to say the least. Also, I had a very near accident on lap 3 which definitely added to that as well haha
I remember watching a clip from 2021 US GP Q2 of Jorge Martin reaching 200 bpm heart rate when following Marquez. So yeah riding motorcycle at limit can be very physically demanding
Riding a motorcycle fast is a VERY physically demanding thing. I consider myself "in shape" as I lift and run 4/5 days a week. At the end of a 15 minute session on track, I am breathing hard trying to catch my breath.
Two days of back to back track feels like a week of non stop full body workouts afterwards. You're entire body is sore. It's pretty ridiculous.
@@alixvandurand I got bumped up into the advanced class (3 classes but I would try to take trackdays that only had 2) just once in my life, and got spooked by the close passes. But outside of that and my first trackday, I found riding a bike around a track to be quite meditative and not physically strenuous. It took me a long time to get out of beginner trackdays, though.
However, I did read and reread Keith Code's books (and video) about the importance of being completely relaxed through the turns, and being extremely smooth and in control. On the other hand, I only ran 600cc bikes.
@@scottwitt7597 I rode trackdays pretty regularly since I was a short distance away from Sonoma. I'd ride the bike there, do the trackday, ride back home. Never sore nor tired, but then again I'm not riding 1000cc in the advanced group.
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You missed more apexes than you hit and missed the one that you spun up the rear on by a mile...track days don't charge extra to hit apexes. Hit your apex, use less lean, don't spin up the rear as much...
Do you have a video to link of you hitting all the apexes at this track? I'd love to see how you do it :)
@@alixvandurand haven't been there in several years as it's over 800 miles one way, but was running 32's on my R6 when I was there for the WERA GNF and snagged a few #1 plates. I can say I wasn't leaving that much pavement between my tires and the apexes when running those 32's.
@@jaottobotto I think I'm a little wary of hitting my knee on the curbing, not sure how it would go so I tend to stay a little farther away if I'm putting the knee down, when you're hitting the apexes are you keeping it tucked? Also how do you use less lean, by leaning body more?
@@alixvandurand the oldest suit I currently have is about 6 years old. I bought it new, and am still using the knee pucks it came with. Absolutely tuck the knee and the knee down is nothing more than a reference of how far you're leaned over. We all went through the phase of burning up knee pucks because it was new to us, but it doesn't help your riding any. When you miss your apex, you make the track skinnier. For easy math, if Barber was 50' wide and you missed your apex by 10', the straight away is now 40' wide. If I hit the apex (knee over curbing), that means I have to lean the bike that much less than you to make the same corner. Additionally, I can get on the gas sooner and harder because I can begin to stand the bike up on acceleration, as I have 10 more feet of track to get on the gas on exit. Since you missed your apex, you have to wait to finish the corner, THEN stand the bike up. Factor in the lost drive from missing the apex over 15 turns, and that's how you go from running 43's to 39s/40s without taking anymore risk.
Worn tires is worn tires, not arguing that. What I'm saying is that if you had hit your apex, you would have had to use less lean angle to make the corner.
@@jaottobotto this makes so much sense. I'm still not 100% on where the bike's at when leaned over so I do hit the knee (although I tend to raise it up just after to save the pad) but when going over the curbing I'm afraid to hit the curbing with it cause idk how it will react haha I will definitely try to apex closer next time round. Thank you for this very detailed comment!
As respectfully as possible, you should probably bump down and get your heart rate checked out dude!
No offense taken! You're probably right! I was very wary about my tires so I was holding back a bit that day and yes, I was very nervous about the whole thing being the first time in this group but I'll be going back on fresh rubber June 2nd. We'll see how it goes. If I have too much trouble keeping up with the pace, I'll go back down to intermediate until I get my laps down into the 1:30s. As far as my heart rate, to be honest I'm not sure it's entirely accurate, but I feel great and have no discomfort or pain in my chest after the session. Just feel like I had a good workout is all haha
@@alixvandurand Yeah I'm not at all saying you aren't riding well, focus on the fundamentals and the pace will come and don't be afraid to ask your CR's for constructive criticism.. most of those dudes want to help you grow and go faster!
Trying to match pace you aren't comfortable on can get you pretty messed up, we've all been there though 😎
@@alixvandurand good luck and have fun next time out, I'm sure you'll improve on some fresh rubber!
@@Footflyer I already had my big head wrecks and got humbled from it haha I'm just having a blast and improving little bit at a time. My bike even came down with mechanical issues that weekend which caused me to call it a day in session 3. Everything is fixed so very excited for next round! Will you be there?
@@alixvandurand I'll be there 7/27-28 with
Wera and maybe do the TD on the 26th if there is one
Just being honest with ya, but you spend way too much time looking down, so its distracting you from focusing. 🤙
You're absolutely right. I noticed this recently and was waiting for the comments, you're only the 2nd person to say something. Think I'm gonna tape the dash.
@alixvandurand I was the same way when I first started, but I noticed I spent too much time with wondering eyes, so I did exactly that taped the dash, put ear plugs in and learned to listen to the bike. And it helped me focus an knock down those seconds.
What i wanna know is WHO THE HELL thought you were ready for A group? Honestly dude you are barely a mid pack Intermediate group rider
I came ill prepared that day and should have run Intermediate but a mechanical issue caused me to call it quits during session 3 anyway. On a side note, I watched your videos, you're running pretty much the same pace as me in this one so get your bump and join me brother! It's OK to be the slower guy of the group, helps you get better ;)
Get some warmers, some better tires and some coaching.
Your lines are awful a lot of the time, at least I makes you easy to pass ‘cos you’re in the wrong part of the track most of the time
Definitely could use some coaching, I haven't been going to the track very long. Most of this is just learning by trial and error. Got fresh rubber for next round and will be putting special focus in my lines.
Don't say things like "Yeeted " it's not cool and you're better than that
I was no joke waiting for this comment xD it's cringe but makes me laugh and was the first thing to come to mind. Problem is YT limits to 100 character for title and I like to always include the date, session, organization and location. Give me a suggestion and if it works I may use it :)
Lol, you got smoked, bad
I'm still in recovery. Keep me in your prayers