WATCH BEFORE YOU CHOOSE! // KTM 1290 Super Adventure S vs KTM 1290 Super Adventure R
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- Trying to decide between the KTM 1290 Super Adventure S and the KTM 1290 Super Adventure R as a first time 1290 Super Adventure Rider? You already own the S or the R modell and you are thinking about switching models? This video will break down the differences between the two in very simple terms and will highlight the important differences that you are likely to miss if you just take any of these for a short test ride around the block.
If you already own the S or the R modell I will address some of the things you can change to get the S modell more off-road ready and the R modell more street/sports ready.
00:00 Introduction
00:57 Difference between the S and R
02:05 Suspension - major difference!
02:39 Suspension for Off-road riding
05:05 Suspension for Touring
06:10 Suspension for Sport/Fast Riding
07:35 Suspension upgrade Options for S and R model
08:33 Wheel construction matters
09:25 How important is wheels size?
11:28 What if you already own the S or the R model?
12:31 Summary & closeout
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By far, this has been the best explanation between the two models I have ever watched. Thank you so much for taking the time to make it!
Thank you very much kind words Alberto - glad you like the video 😉
This is the best video on this subject on RUclips! Bigger automotive media outlets haven't even made a decent attempt at this yet. Good work!
Thank you very much for your comment - good to know it made some sense 😉
super useful video, clear and simple. Been hesitating between these bikes for a while and your review helps clarify. Dealers tend to push you towards the model that they have available rather than what you really want to get.
Thank you very much- glad it made sense 😉which one would be the right one for you ?
Great video! Thank you for the information and time to make this. Very great info!
Glad it was helpful! 😉👍
Excellent narrative. Much appreciate distinguishing the differences. I really like the look of the R model best, but know I would be riding more super slab. Ride safe and ride often.
Thank you very much for the feedback 😉 Ride safe 😎
Very appreciative for this insightful review. That's exactly what i needed
Thank you- glad the information was useful 😉
Very informative and new information to me. Thank you.
Thank you very much- glad it was helpful 😎
Absolutely brilliant and comprehensive explanation of what we thought we already knew about R (off road) vs S (street). Made it so much clearer. Well done, mate.
Thank you very much- your feedback means a lot 👍😉
Would you happen to have a comparison between the first model of the 1290T and the S from 2017 (with LFT screen). Not sure how much actually changed.
@@theawakening2611 all the 1290 series are incremental evolutions - I don’t have the direct comparison to the original 1290 - much of the same tech made into the 2017-2020 - I like the design of the newer model MUCH better - also don’t need 30 liter fuel capacity on a bike.
@@MotoVibes definitely agree on the design including TFT etc. Not sure if there were also technical improvements though. Obviously the first version is now available at considerable lower price
@@theawakening2611 the 1190 adventure lineup is also good - a bit lighter overall if you don’t need the Heft of the 1290 T - my buddy Thomas still rides his 1190 Adventure R - it’s a great bike
A very good video. You are becoming one of my most watched moto RUclipsrs fast 😁 After a year of toying with the idea of getting into the ADV segment I finally bought a KTM 1290 SAS 2020 a week ago. I prefer the look of the R version a bit more, but I happened to get a good deal on the S version and honestly, no matter how intrigued I am with offroading I will probably never have the balls to push a 20k€ bike hard on difficult terrain. Realistically 90-95% of my riding is on paved roads with occasional gravel roads and cottage roads, so I am pretty confident that I'm just fine with the S version. I have ridden motorcycles for 12 years (and some smaller bikes as a teen) but still to this day can barely notice a difference between suspension setups, so even if I ever grew the balls to try some gnarlier stuff it's probably fine to just change to some knobbier tires (probably wouldn't even feel the difference between wheel sizes) 😆
Thank you very much and congratulations for pulling the trigger on the KTM 1290 Super Adventure S. It is such a good bike and even if you do take it off-road one of these days it will not be any worse than any of the direct competitors with regards to supspension or even wheels size (the GS only comes in 19" /17" wheel combo). My riding ist still 90% onroad too so I would have been fine with the S but everytime I do ride away from pavement it is nice to have the R suspension. However, the convinience of the semi-active suspension is really hard to beat - try it out on a bad road next time and go from hardest to softest setting and you will feel how the suspension takes the edge off a bit. 😉
Must say, this is a very good explanation on the differences between the two models, thanks for that Oliver better than how the dealers try to explain.
Thank you very much for the kind words. Glad it made sense 😉
Been following this channel for a while now. Have just signed the paperwork to pick up an S on Friday. You convinced me in the end bro! 🤣👍
Wow - that is great news - congratulations and welcome to the club! I hope you will have many miles of joy and no crashes 😎👍
Thanks for all the great information 👍🏻
Thank you very much for watching and commenting 😉
Your video really help me out a lot on picking my bike I want to get I want to thank you so much for your information and knowledge on both bikes thank you
Thank you very much for your feedback- good to know it was helpful 😉
Thanks for the great information. Very informative.
Glad to know. Thank you very much 😉
that's how every comparaison should be done ! . your suspension analysis sold me on the S model for its ease of use on the fly as you mentioned
Thank you very much for your feedback - glad it was helpful 😉
Extremely helpful in helping, me make my mind on what to buy, definitely going the S model. Thanks very informative
Thank you very much Jamie - happy to know this was helpful 😉
Excellent explanation, Chrystal clear 👍 Thanks a lot 😉
Thank you very much- glad it makes sense 😉
Excelente video. Muy bien explicado! Muchas gracias
Thank you very much- glad it was helpful 😉
I have a 2020 1290 S. The suspension is great. I have a lot of poorly surfaced roads in my area and the SAS allows me to go through bumpy turns feeling very stable. Semi active suspension was main reason I got it because my other bikes were sketchy in turns with bumpy asphalt. I do some gravel roads and hard pack dirt roads but do not really intend to use it for any 'real' off roading. Both are great bikes depends on how you plan to ride it.
Absolutely 😎👍
I'm looking at the S for the same reason, too many bumpy back roads where I live so hoping the suspension will be plush enough to deal with these surfaces 🤞
Very well explained !!
Thank you very much 😉
Very thorough detailed vision according a wide condition experience rider. GREAT AND METICULOUS!!!
Thank you very much- glad you liked it 😉
Thanks for the vid, I have the 1190 R with a suspension upgrade and 60,000 km on it and was considering getting the 2021 Adv S and a wire wheel set for it, after this it looks like if I upgrade it will be to the 2021 Adv R. In Australia we have a lot of dirt. Good fun. You answered all my questions
Thank you for the positive feedback - good to know this was helpful. I did not even know that they sold the S version in Australia 😂
@@MotoVibes they don’t sell many of the S. Mostly it’s the Adv R but there are very few dealers with a demo or either model and limited stock so mostly it’s buy it then ride it. I know if I ride it then the cash will come out. 😀
Hello from Virginia, I have the same 2018SAS, I live off road , thought about the R , but at 140lbs and 5’8.5” , I realized that I needed to stay in my comfort zone. The bike suits me perfectly, I have long legs for my height and present a modest profile. Thought about changing the wheels but am satisfied with tire changes and make it work. Been riding since 1960 and it’s the best bike I have owned and wouldn’t know where to go from here, may be a Triumph triple 900. Stay safe-- let’s have some more riding😊
Thanks for sharing your experience Peter. With such a large and heavy bike a solid footing is definitely a good thing. I am 5‘11“ and the 2020 1290 SAR was a little too tall. The 2022 1290 SAR is slightly lower and the perfect height for me. With every new generation of adventure bike the weight seems to increase. Depending on my future riding I may also look at mid size adventure at some point. All the best - Oliver btw I used to live in Arlington for a couple of years (long time ago) 😉
Thank you for the info. I’m planning to buy 1290R soon.
Good choice- I hope you did a test ride with it 😉
This was the best explanation I have seen. I will take all this into account. When purchasing my KTM 1290
Glad this is helpful. This all goes very much for the 2023 lineup too. Which version are you leaning towards - the S or the R?
@@MotoVibes I am leaning to the 1290S
I also found out that some of the wheels are not balanced correctly from the KTM factory
Spot on explanation of the differences but I'm still torn between which to buy. I live in Florida with a lot of sand so I've leaning towards the R.
It’s a tough choice as they are both great and have their respective advantages- let me know how you choose 😉
Very nice breakdown between the two. I recently sold all three of my bikes (2016 KTM 690 Enduro R, 2018 Husqvarna TX300, 2013 Yamaha Super Tenere). My competition days and aggressive off-road days are behind me so I'm looking to get into a new high tech adventure bike. I have been trying to decide between 1290 SAS or SAR or Norden 901 Expedition. This video along with some others have helped break down what's what. My biggest challenge now is determining what type of riding I won't or plan to do the most. I have no intension of wanting to get a big bike into situations much more suited for an off-road specific bike. I do like idea of being able to run gravel and occasional jeep type tails at most with confidence, but also would like touring comfort with an occasional passenger. A little more soul searching and I hope to narrow it down.
Yeah - I get where your are at. In the end it will be a compromise but not a huge one. I still ride a good amount of time on the road but I am happy to have the R suspension - especially the 2021+ models have really seen an upgrade again (that no one seems to talk about). One of the best changes to the predecessor. The semi-active suspension and the automatic preload adjustment are absolutely fantastic on the S model. If you see yourself going from solo to 2 passenger mode a lot this will make life really easy. Choice choices - let me know how you decide and good luck with it. Remember - you can always sell the bike again and get a different one. it is not a marriage for life 😂
Thank you, it’s very well done and very informative as always. Regarding the size of wheels and with identical 90/10 road bias tire models ( let’s imagine the Conti trail attacks) which one would you choose for a bad weather, small and challenging alpine roads, the S or the R?
As long as you stay on pavement the S is the better choice every time ;-)
Pretty good review! I DO LOVE MY R MODEL THO!, most complete version ever!
Thank you very much- love the R too 😎👍
Concise no bullshit review thankyou
Thank you for your positive feedback 😉
Excellent breakdown especially re wheel options. Sounds like the optimum set-up is to get the R with an additional set of smaller wheels; best of both worlds although obviously heavier on the bank balance.
Thank you very much- glad it was helpful. 😉
Only problem is the sizing, the R has a 21" front 18" rear which has a 3" difference, the S has a 19" front 17" rear having a 2" difference. Does the mean the ergonomics are going to be impacted on a R with a smaller wheel set?
Amazing explanation!
Dis you try the 2022 adventure s? Doesn't it have a plusher suspension? That might help in offroad compared to the previous s?
Thank you very much- yes I did rode both the 2021 S and the 2021 R as well as the 2018 S and 2020 R (owned both) - the difference is the same 😉
I watched this review as the s was on my radar as a next bike when i let go of my 2013 fjr a . Im baulking a bit because of my perceived reliability issues with the ktms . My experience with the fjr has been one of bulletproofness .
If you buy new you have the warranty to cover any issues- also you can extend the warranty up to 4 years. BMW offers this as well. With that said I have had no issues yet but with modern motorcycles there is more stuff that can cause issues
Great explanation, very useful for real World choices. Is it possible to take the SAS and put front 21/ rear 18 as in SAR. Does that alter suspension geometry into suboptimal range? Being an intermediate rider, I do not push either street/sport or offroad envelope, yet mostly adventure touring over forest dirt and gravel roads. I prefer electronically adjusted semi active suspension with less travel over manual adjustment of SAR. Just curious.
Honestly- in this case I would start with 50/50 tires on the stock rim. If you get to more challenging terrain I would get 17“ and 19“ spoked rims. The second set of same size rims will allow you to swap quicker and use one for road riding and the other for off-road riding.
IF you wanted to go to 18“ and 21“ the rear swing arm and front fork should not be an issue. However- you need to remove the front mud guard and replace with the 21“ one - not sure about the rear. Also - you need to replace the side stand. Your odometer and speedometer reading will be off.
Spot on as ever my German friend
Pleased to tell you
That at long last I got the lower spring fitted to my 1090r
And I am feet flat on the floor
And fell back in love with my bike
I may now get a second set of spoke wheels
Fit more off road biased tyres on the original wheels and more biased tyres on a smaller set of spoke wheels for road use
A massive thank you 🙏🏻 my German friend
You have been instrumental in me getting sorted
Thank you sir
Remember your awesome 👏
That sounds like a good plan! Good to hear that you found your love for your bike again 😉 I can’t wait for this season to start 😎👍
@@MotoVibes Me too 🏍
I’m over to France early May
Then a couple of big two week trips
Later in the season
Can’t wait 😜
Amazing explanation. Thank you. I’m still unsure at this very moment on the newest generation of 1290 (which one to pick). Sometimes you want to have the best of both. I’m still looking for the lowest compromise. Question please - do you know if the latest gen semi active suspension has been improved for off road riding compared to your previous generation SAS? Thanks again!
I do not know if the SAS received any improvement on the suspension itself but you have more possibilities to set the front and rear independently in the electronic settings - so more customization options.
The 2021+ 1290 SAR did get a suspension upgrade which I think is major - less bottoming out especially for the fork which means I can run it medium stiffness now as compared to the hardest setting on the previous model. Nice progressiv response. Only important for off-road riding (and only noticeable there for me)
I was blown away by the possibility of setting different suspension modes on my very first 1290 SAS when I first had it. In the end I always ran with a single mode (sport) 95% of the time. Same with my 2022 SAR - the suspension setting that I have works for all riding conditions for me now.
If the majority of riding is on the road the S may be a good start. You might find yourself liking the semi active suspension enough and you may use all the settings a lot more than me.
Hi, congrats for great video.
If you could only have one motorcycle (and you need to choose between the R as the S), which did you choose to be your “do it all”?
Thanks
Well A if you spend most of your time on pavement the S if you do plan to ride off-road tracks the R - for me it’s the R
Hi Oliver, I just found your channel in RUclips and I am about to start to watch all videos...I am a Brasilian leaving in Berlin, looking forward to ride one time with you...Mfg. Marcelo
Hi Marcelo - glad you like the content - maybe I see you on the road once the weather is good again ;-)
Thank you !
You are welcome. Thanks you for watching 😉
Excellent 👍 I'd take the R even though i don't ever ride trail or offroad
Thank you very much 👍😎
Hi and thanks for this S or R excellent explanation! My question would be... for long long travel to the East and back with different quality roads... and good and mountain and probably tarmac (Turkey - Iran - India - China - Turkmenistan - Izbekistan etc back home) ... which model might be the better all around model?
S or R?
Thanks!
Rgds
What a fantastic trip you have planned 👍😉 They would both serve you well. I would give a slight edge to the R as longer suspension travel and better overall components are noticeable when the road surface is not ideal. Also, with a non-electronic suspension there is one less potential point of failure for such a long distance journey. In addition the spoked wheels of the R may be a bit tougher and more forgiving should you hit a pot hole etc.
the R is a bit taller with higher seat height - that is great for tall riders who can still have a secure footing but for shorter riders the S provides a much lower seat height (adjustable) which may be important as the bike will likely be fully loaded and heavy. I hope this helps. I wish you all the best for your journey 🤙
Excellent video Oliver. I own the 1290 R also and not having ridden a motorcycle for 8 years and picking up the R last October it was quite an experience to say the least. When i made my decisions about which bike it really came down to the suspension, of course this was influenced by the fact that I wish to do an amount of off road riding. I also live in Germany ( I am Australian) and while Germany doesn't offer very much at all off road we are lucky to be close to France and Spain where the TET runs. I am heading to Spain end of March to the ride the TET from Barcelona to Murcia. Now that I have quite a bit more saddle time on the R I am really loving the experience, I am not a lover of fast road riding but i do enjoy the road as much as trails and to me making the 1400kms by road to Barcelona will be as comfortable as it could be. Having previously raced the 690 Rally replica which weighed almost the same as the 1290R fully fuelled its amazing to me to how capable on road the R actually is, but as you say at its limits there may be so moments to consider and yet it shares so many off road characteristics.. I am looking forward to more trail rides on the R, maybe we bump into you one day in Moroccan deserts on your R. Stay safe and thanks again for the video.
Thank you very much Paul - also, for sharing your experience with the R and the 690 Replica! I am a little envious of your upcoming trip I have to admit 😉 - riding the Moroccan desert one day is high on my list of things to do although unlikely it will be this year - maybe we do run into each other some day! The big 1290 is hard to beat in long distance comfort - I had a short ride on the 890 Adventure (not the R) - and it does not even compare. On the other hand I am also really curious to explore more of the TET in the future but I know there are sections that are challengign even with lighter 2 cylinder bikes. Fully enjoy your upcoming Spain trip - it sounds awesome! Btw what is the podium moment in your profile picture? cheers, Oliver
Thanks for your reply Oliver. Welcome to join us in March ( 23rd departure from Mainz returning 3rd). Morocco yes, great for motorcycling, I was lucky enough to race there, Tunisia, Libya also when the world was a little more calm. Hopefully September a trip there is borders open. My podium is winning a qualification of World Amateur Gran Fondo Championships....on a lighter bike.
@@cummomoto Thank you very much for the offer - I would love to come but it will not work time wise. You are quite the athlete I see - respect! How many of you are going in March?
@@MotoVibes Right now we are 5 confirmed, we have an extra bed booked.
@@cummomoto sounds awesome - good number of people too ;-)
Oliver how are you? i do have another question actually. On this bike or your previous one did you ever drive the bike with traction control off? I am curious if driving the sas without traction control is really different then driving it switched on. I never tried this on my sas. Thanks again for the footage, interesting stuff! Regards from Amsterdam
Yes, I have both onroad and offroad. I tried a few laps with the traction control off on the race track (during a training) - with tires at the optimal temperature and grippy road surface that is no problem. I always have the traction control off when I am riding the bike off-road but I will set the mapping to offorad mode, i.e. reduing the horse power from 160 to 100. I have tried the 160 HP off-road but I am not skilled enough to handle the full 100 HP in the dirt to be honest. The traction control works well for most off-road scenarios so there is reall need to turn it off. For normal riding I keep the traction control on and I am happy it is there 😉, cheers, Oliver
@@MotoVibes thanks for your explanation! I drive the S, i Will not go offroad with it. If i drop it i would cry like a baby hahahah.. so on the road have you noticed increasing agressiveness on the handling?
@@MotoVibes because back in the day on my sportsbike hayabusa etc there was no such thing as traction control 😂😂😂
@@erwindenengelsen8144 yes, but it does take a bit to get the front wheel up with just a power wheelie while rolling. It was just for testing though 😉
Is the S suspension soft enough to deal with bumpy back roads? Im thinking of swapping my GT just for some more comfort
Yes. The S does fine on bumpy back roads. Also you can dial in a different setting on the fly on the S. With that said the R does a slightly better job than the S but not enough to warrant the R model over the S if that is the worst kinda road you intend to travel
Hello Oliver, could you maybe make a video about the suspension settings of the R model? How to adjust it etc it feels kinda confusing for me as a new owner :)
Good place to start is with the default settings - I started with the sport setting as I like a firmer setup offroad & onroad. I noticed that the fork was still bottoming out in moderate terrain so I increased the compression by a few clicks. To be honest with you I am still finding my way around the suspension settings. Just tiral and error by now. Once I am a litte more knowledgable I am happy to share it ;-)
@@MotoVibes Thank you that would be awesome. Keep up the nice videos coming.😁👍
So I suggest to buy both 😜😜! Because both bikes have basically different riding concepts. I would never ride real offroad tracks with 1290 SAS. Best regards mate !
That is even better! and throw in a 890 Adventure R or Husky 701 for the off-road parts 😎👍
its time my frend for youre R to go off-road 🤙🏻🤙🏻
absolutely right - cannot wait. I am still dealing with the aftermath of last years crash - my shoulder is much better and good enough for everyday stuff but strength and mobility are still crap. I will be switching to off-road tires in May the latest
Semi active suspension is great, until it's not. You are limited to the built-in settings. With the R, if the rear is a little harsh over expansion joints, you can simply reduce the high speed compression damping only. You can't do that with the S model, which would make a host of changes based on the built in settings.
That is absolutely true - however, very few get into the nitty gritty of the suspension settings on their bike so the semi-active works well for them. I am still getting my head around the possibilities of the R suspension ;-)
@@MotoVibes Semi active is great for two up riding and adjusting on the fly for varying road surfaces. I enjoyed it on the road on my BMW GSA, but off road it wasn't sufficient. Playing with clickers can be fun too.
iS THE R model closer to the S model on the road, than the S model to the R model on the dirt?. The R handles better at slow speeds also on the road
Intesting question. I would say the R model performs better on the road than the S model performs in the dirt. You can adjust the R suspension to do perform well on the pavement (harder setting). However, you are still left with more suspension travel and larger wheels as compared to the S model and changing suspension settings takes more time on the R but if you only had to do it once - let's say before a long on-road tour it would not be much of an issue.
With that said - I keep my suspension settings to work well for offroad conditions and ride it like that on the road - it is set pretty much to standard settings with some minor tweaks. You can still ride fast with the R if you want to.
Especially the suspension on the 2021+ R models is excellent (improved over the predecessor) and far superior than anything else that comes stock on a large adventure bike form any other manufacturer. It is one of the main reasons why I like the 1290 SAR so much.
Thanks... Im still leaning to the S myself I have options for single track but I dont own a bike that is ok on the freeway....
if you have something small for the dirt you do not need to compromise for the road ;-)
I am short before to decide to change my 2017 R _-Model to the 2021 Model, even though I like more the colours and design of the old one, I have to check the other advantages as new tank design and seat form. But my dealer dont know , when he gets one new.
@@MotoVibes Ahh but I cant own a real sport bike even a gold wing will end up hitting gravel if Im on it.. This is where the SAS gets my attention. My 500exc has made me not want to ride anything heavier in the woods and I have been on ADV rides here in new england where riders are slamming SAR into the ground..
@@imridingwithstoopidohwaiti3948 I get it 😂
Is higher speed wobbling any better with the newer models?
In my experience is has improved a lot ruclips.net/video/TC4nkDp5RSA/видео.html
As usual very informative and very good!
As usual talk and audioloop at the same time. Not good. Let us hear the presentation undisturbed. Thanks
Glad you like the content Peter - still experimenting with music and without - thank you for your feedback!
Knowing I Will ride most onroad the 1290 adv S is the best choice for me. I bought mine in 2020 and if i was going to ride offroad I thingk the 890 R i better or a even smaller bike from a other brand.
Getting a second bike would be the best option - in that case it would be the S for me and something like the 890 Adventure R oder maybe even a single cylinder bike
If you really want one of these 2, only the S makes sense in my opinion. I owned the 1290R and now have a 890R. The 1290R really doesn't make sense due to 2 shortcomings. First it is quite heavy on dirt, so an 890R is a better choice there. Second, the 1290 has so much power that the knobbed tire just spins up... either spinning or activating traction control if you have it on. So the huge power isn't actually that useful on the street.
Also, the ergonomics the 1290R, are wonky with a low short distance between the pegs and seat, and high bars. Also, the exhaust interferes with the riders right heel, even with my size 9 / 43 foot. I assume the S is the same. And don't get me started on the "wobbly tooth" turn signal indicator. It is great for stand up riding though... as is the 890R.
I would recommend looking closer at the 890s if you are considering on of these two bikes. I am much happier with mine.
The 890 vs 1290 comparison is an entirely different discussion that this one. I have been considering the smaller option with the 890 R but I could not quite go there yet. The lighter weight would be great for off-road riding and would allow slightly harder terrain. Then again - I still spend a good amount on tarmac .- also I like cornering, power and speed - for touring the comfort and wind protection are far superior - as is the overall feeling to ride the 1290 vs 890 on pavement (for me). These bike are in a completly different league on the road.
The ergos are exactly the same between the R and the S - the R only has more supension travel. Check if you can remove the rear foot pegs when hitting your heel - it is not really the exhaust itself but the foot rests are mounted to the same mounting bracket at the exhaust. I removed my passenger pegs for that reason.
The turn signal switcht is a disaster - they made slight changes to the 2023 models to address this point - not as good as the predecessor but it is MUCH better - I have a brand new 2023 1290 SAR sitting in front of my house right now (as a loaner as my bike is in service right now). So - if it really bothers you an upgrade to the new 2023 controls for the left side my help (would be quite $$$ though I assume) cheers!
signed up for an R a few hours back WOOOOOOHHHHOOOOOOOOOOO :D
Congratulations 😎😎
Is it possible to lower the R version for smaller riders without harming the bikes balance?
I don’t know if the lowering kit or the springs of the S would work on the R - I would think that not a lot of people would want to lower the the R as the suspension (incl the longer travel) is the main reason to get the R in the first place.
You can mount a smaller wheel set with 19/17“ dimensions - that is what I use for road riding but of course it would work for off-road riding as well. That lowers the bike noticeably and will keep the suspension intact 😉
For me, the S model is fitting my style the most. ( very little off-road, lot more on road ) i would class myself as a 15/85 rider.
Same here - a lot more on road than off-road
@@MotoVibes but why the R model then for you? Is it the type of offroad you ride or is it just preference? Genuinely interested
@@chilly243 I just wanted to try it as the S did not perform so well off-road due to the suspension - even though it’s not much that do off-road when I do I wanted better suspension. Also I thought I can live the compromises on the pavement- the perfect setup for me would be an semi-electronic suspension based on the R models suspension- I would be fine with smaller spoked wheels like I had on my S 😉
I bought the 2019 R. Don’t think I would go to the S even though much of my riding is highway trips I love the backroads.
Still debating if I want to get the 2022 redesign yet.
I really liked the 2021/2022 redesign - especially the low center of gravity and the lower seat height - I rode it when it first came out if you are interested ruclips.net/video/6BGIR5pji6o/видео.html
@@MotoVibes I actually had one fall in my lap, (2022). Dealer had contacted me after wanting to see one. I picked one up last week. Hope to get some videos up soon.
@@ShaftDrive congratulations 👍
After buying the 890adr 2021 and think that I would buy the R, i have now realized that the 1290S is the bettet choise
some times it helps to own and ride the bike until you find what suites you best. My current 1290 SAR may not be the end of the line for me - let's see in 2-3 years ;-)
@@MotoVibes and I ended up buying my 3rd Husqvarna 701 :)
@@Parakitedude excellent- congratulations and safe rides 😎
I owned a 1090r for 4 yrs. Very much liked the seating position and the suspension on bad roads. But now have a 1290s: I’m a very bad off-road rider and there is not much off road in the Netherlands. Some gravel roads in Norway worked fine with the S model. Also S model gives me more confidence on corners, I tend to go faster than with the R. So in general I prefer the S.
Bonjour,est-ce que ça serait une bonne idée d acheter une R et monter les roues à rayon de de la S même dimension de pneu de la S ,19 et 17 ? Ou acheter la S et mettre les roues à rayon ?
I hope this video helps with making the decision ruclips.net/video/jIKVfJC2uz4/видео.html 😉
Sag mal, warum geht das hier nicht voran mit den Abozahlen? Du lieferst sehr sehenswerten Content, qualitativ hochwertige Videos, schöne Reiseberichte usw. Dazu noch in Englisch warum geht das hier so schleppend? Andere Kanäle wie Marc Travels ist seit einem Jahr dabei und steht kurz vor 20k. Du bist nun schon 3 Jahre dabei und stehst bei 11k?
Das ist die Million Dollar Frage 😉 aber Danke der netten Worten 😎
I really think the S with tech pack is way more capable off-road than people think. It is still is adv bike with long travel suspension and now full electronic adjustability now.
It sure is 😉
Great explanation. :) I think the R has a wider range of use, and the quality of suspension is better. BR.
Thank you very much Fernando - I hate to admit it but I do miss the "sports bike" feature of the S a little bit but I really like the suspension of the R
Would you do a vid on the actual differences between the 890 and 1290 bikes and is it worth the $6,000 price difference ?
Thank you for your comment Patrick - in a way I cover some of the points in this video ruclips.net/video/SgtM3Q3ILL0/видео.html.
The 1290 is definitely a lot more bike for the $6,000 more in price. It is better in pretty much every respect to the 890 series - more power, torque, plenty comfort, extra load capacity, smoother ride, electronic suspension (on the S) and all the latest and greatest electronics on the market - the 1290 engine is a total riot and the bike is fast as hell - it is called Super Adventure for a reason 😎
Now, the questions is do you need that much bike for your type of riding? $6,000 is a lot of cash that can be spend on traveling with the bike etc. Also, all the extra bells and whistles come with approx. 25 kg more dry weight which is not an advantage if you plan to do any kind of off-road riding and will limit the type of off-road riding earlier than a lighter 890 would. For road riding that extra weight is less of an issue or none at all. 😉
@@MotoVibes Awesome thankyou ! I am going to the dealership to go pick one of them up in the next week. Was still kind of unsure which. This helps.
@@patrickl.2761 You are absolutely welcome - I would urge you do take each of them for an extented test ride. Rent them for a day if you have to. Either way it is a lot of money to spend on a motorcycle - some of the differences are easier appreciated on an extended ride - if you cannot do that at least take them out for an hour - most dealers will grant you that time with no charge - your gut (or your wallet) will point you in the right direction - or measure the smile under your helmet when you twist the trottle - that works too 😉 Let me know how you decide - good luck with your choice! cheers, Oliver
@@MotoVibes Will do. I am already leaning towards the 1290 S more road than dirt. In fact my plan is to go from Ontario Canada to South America. It sounds like the extra 6,000 will be worth it in the long run.
My question is rather: the new R model or does the "old" version of the R do almost the same?
I´m a small guy with 176 cm (5 ft 7) and i kinda like the low down weight of the new R. Never ridden those two moedels, just sit on rthe new one though and liked it! :)
Grüße
In a nutshell: Yes, the old and the new R model intend to do the same! The new R has the benefit of the new tank design that lowers the center of gravity (which helps for slow riding) and the seat height is significantly reduced. However, it is heavier by 4 kg. I did ride when it just came out last year if you are interested in my first impressions: ruclips.net/video/6BGIR5pji6o/видео.html
@@MotoVibes Danke! Saw that and liked it. :)
In my opinion a KTM is ...a KTM one of the best bike ever and whatever you will choose you will enjoy the... Adventure !!! Ride Safe all of You !!
I use my SAS on gravel roads, but these bikes are too heavy for real off-road fun. They excel at touring but if you want serious dirt capability look elsewhere.
It’s crazy what’s possible with these beasts but there times when you really feel the weight (not in a good way) 😂
This video should be required viewing before you buy one of these. I took my 1290 S out on the BDR last year and got thrown off twice before knowing anything about R vs. S
Thank you very much- glad you think it is helpful. Hope you still enjoy the S model 😉
@@MotoVibes I like the S, but it is more of an upright, touring, pavement pounder. I would highly recommend any newer, less experienced riders to start on a much lighter dual-sport if they are going to try any technical, off-road stuff. Otherwise just make sure you have quality health insurance and know a really good orthopedic surgeon.
@@frontlinefortificationfind5636 definitely true. These bikes can handle a lot but harder off-road terrain gets pretty tough with these large bikes.
Für mich, war nach meiner Centralasientour 2018 mit einer 17er SAS und Speichenräder klar, dass ich auf die 21er SAR wechseln werde.
Die Federelemente der R sind qualitativ klar besser und komfortabler, wenn abseits der guten Straßen lang geht. Bei mir ging im Stillstand, plötzlich in der Schleuse zwischen Kasachstan und Kirgistan, das Federbein auf Durchzug. Null Zug, Null Druckstufe und die nächsten Fünf Länder kein KTM Händler. Das waren dann 13000 km, bei jeder Bodenwelle, oder Schlagloch, in die Rasten stellen. Elektronikproblem/ Sensorfehler und Dir kann Niemand helfen. Mit dem elektronischen Fahrwerk, lassen sich Schwächen der Federelemente leichter kaschieren, was bei der R somit nicht geht.
Die 21/18“ Räder spuren besser und rollen komfortabler offroad ab und es gibt kein Hochgeschwindigkeitspendeln.
Nur das tiefe eintauchen der Gabel, beim plötzlichen, harten anbremsen ist von mir als Nachteil festzustellen.
Was ist mir an der 21er SAR, als klar besser gegenüber der 17er SAS aufgefallen,
Getriebe und Quickshifter
Motorcharakteristik(läut smoother)
Handling
Hochgeschwindigkeitsstabilität
Sitzbank/Sitzposition
Ralleymode
Verbrauch, speziell im Rain/ Offroadmodus, deutlich unter 5 Liter möglich, wenn es sein muß
Scheibenverstellung
Servicefreundlichkeit(speziell Luftfilter)
Farbgebung/ Bremslicht/ Endtopf
Was ist nach meinen Erfahrungen gleich geblieben;
Licht
Display(ist zwar größer, aber nix besser gelöst)
Was ist verschlimmbessert worden;
Schaltereinheiten,Schnellwahltasten(warum werden die Auf/Abtaste nun ungenutzt?), Tempomat, hätten so bleiben können
Handyfach zu klein
Sturzbügel sind nicht stabil genug
So das war meine Meinung/ Erfahrung zu diesem Thama.
Bleibt gesund und allzeit gute Fahrt
Viele Grüße Ralf
Wow. Wie lange warst Du in Zentralasien unterwegs und was bist Du Gesamt an Kilometern gefahren- ich hoffe ohne weite rAusfälle?!
Bei der Einschätzung zur 2021 SAR bin ich ganz bei Dir - das trifft den Nagel auf den Kopf - Grüße Oliver
@@MotoVibes wir sind in sechs Wochen von Ulan Bator nach Deutschland gefahren. Das waren so knapp 16 k km. Das Federbein war das einzige Problem gewesen. Ohne Sozia ging es damit weiter. Mit Sozia hätte ich ein Problem gehabt.
Als wir vom Iran in die Türkei einreisten, hätte ich wieder auf den KTM Service Zugriff gehabt, aber da dies ja nur noch leichte Straßen waren, bin ich die letzten 4000 km so weitergefahren. Ich hatte mich eh daran gewöhnt.
Der Film zur Reise ist auf dem Kanal vom Karim Klausmann,, Centralasia“, oder ,,Der Tiefe Osten“
Viele Grüße
Ralf
@@ralfheinemann9856 was für ein cooles Abenteuer- ich schau mir das Video mal an. Zum Glück hielt der Rest der KTM 😉
@@ralfheinemann9856 ich hab mir euer Video angeschaut - was für ein super Abenteuer 😎👍
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On the used market I'm not seeing much difference comparing the prices of the 890 and the 1290. They're pretty close, so the 1290 is losing more value over time based on its overall desirability.
Not sure which market you are looking at. But for brand new models prices drop as soon as a successor hits the market. As the case with the 1290 SA in 2021. you can still pick up a brand new 1290 SAS for the price of a new 890 at some dealers in Germany. Maybe that plays into what you are seeing on the used market
It was a hard decision, I went with the S
Congratulations - great bike 👍 I hope you will have thousands of kilometers of joy with it 😎
Why aren't these bikes commonly referred to as S street R rallye. Simples.
S for me is the best bike, if you want to go off rd buy a cheap light dirt bike. The s is a world beating mile muncher
A second lighter bike for off-road would be the best option of course. At least KTM offers this kind of bandwidth for those who want it. BMW offering falls short in that respect- the GS 1250 adventure offers little more than a weight increase with a larger tank and unnecessary upper crashbars. Same suspension (a little more travel) and same wheels though. Only Triumph beats same both with regard to custom options straight from the factory 😉
I have had the 1190 Adventure and now the 1290 SAR. If the 1290 SAS came with spoked wheels, I would have taken that bike. But as I bent some cast wheels on my Husky Nuda 900 R, cast wheels are a no go!
Honestly, in case KTM offered an option of 19/17 wheels on the SAR, I would have made that choice and taken the SAR with the smaller wheel set. After having spent two seasons with 21/18 I have to say that the selection of tires for my kind of riding are much better in 19/17 (eg Pirelli Scorpion Rally does not seem to be available in 21“ tubeless version!).
One more thing worth mentioning is that although I am tall enough to touch the ground with both feet, the R model feels significantly taller. This does not matter when you are moving, but when maneuvering the bike in a parking lot or tricky off road situation it makes a big difference.
You have ridden the 2021 SAR, but bought the 2020 model. I always heard the 2021 is a game changer due to lower center of gravity. What do you think? Is it worth swapping?
I am still warming up to the larger spoked wheels but I still kept my smaller spoked wheel set which I initially bought for the S model. The 2021 model are overall better but not in every respect- in the end it was the 5000. EUR difference in purchase price that tipped the scale for me 😉
@@MotoVibes For me it was price (actually got my 1290 used) and Euro 5! Not sure you can get proper sound out of the MY21 legally.
@@TR850 yes - the sound is one of the things that did not improve- I love the sound of my 2020 R with the Akrapovic exhaust 😉 here are some more negatives about the new model compared the predecessor ruclips.net/video/0j_eewVf1sg/видео.html
I love your videos and am a big fan of your channel. But there is a problem that bothers me, of which this video is a good example. YOU SPEAK CONTINUOUSLY AND WITHOUT BREAKS! It makes the experience a monotonous one-way Talking head dialogue, where it is difficult to maintain focus and concentration. As in all music and speech, the break is important. We get time to digest what was said. Save it in memory. I hope you understand what I mean is in a constructive intention.
Jan - I appreciate your comment. I cut out all the breaks and all the umms 😂 to keep the pace. It’s good feedback that I will consider for future edits and see how the pacing works with a more pauses - I am a fast speaker though 😂
First video I've seen of yours and I'd agree with this statement. It's like one long sentence, harder to digest the details
@@pablohumphs6060 thank you for your feedback - much appreciated 😉
@@MotoVibes not wanting to be critical at all. Just my perspective, you're obviously running a successful chanel.
@@pablohumphs6060 I am happy about constructive feedback and I see the point as it what somewhat intentional during editing- when you see the footage so many times during editing you loose the viewpoint of someone seeing this the first time so I am thankful for such feedback 😉 it will not affect content I have already produced (I usually have quite a few videos ready to go as there are times when my 9-5 takes priority) but I will keep this in mind for future edits.
nah...SAS all the way. if I'm offroad in the rough I will switch to a proper dirt bike
Having 2 bikes is definitely better than just one that needs to do it all 😉