Hi my German friend 👻 I watch another blogger that mentioned about the seat height adjustment problem And suspects that Ktm may do a recall to resolve it One point that I have heard complaints about Is that the electronics are not covered by the warranty? And that the 1290 R is priced higher than the 1290s Even though it having a lot less electronics I think I am going to stick with my low mileage 2018 1090r for know Stay safe my friend 👍🏻 And remember 🤔 Your awesome 🏍🙏🏻
Thank you David 😉 I really wonder what the deal with the seat is - good to know I am not the only one that had an issue here- just hope they get it fixed for all the owners of the new bikes. Looks like warranty coverage is different from country to country - manufactures have to provide warranty in Germany for a year for their products - they cannot just exclude whatever they feel like should. It be included 😉
I have had mine for one week now, after 1000 km I see the calculation of the consumption is far to high compared to the actual consumption. The seat need to be secured with strips to avoid slipping to low position. A bad design when you see below the seat.
So this is something we see with other systems too?! Never had this issue with my car so far and it’s far from a sophisticated radar assisted cruise control 😉
The only button I have issues with is the high beam that i keep bumping. I may have to twist the button section downwards to get it out of my index finger area. I havent had any cruise control issues. Been working well. My car I think works well as it uses a radar and camera together.
I love the radar cruise control in my car too. On the KTM I am sure it will work well- also it takes time to get used to how it works and then it should be just as good
As an owner of the 2021SAS 1. Agree on the looks, but it's subjective. 2.Buttons, yea the indicator is a PoS. 3. 100% correct about the C1\2, you can't attach any of the Suspension options (why?). 4.Display options- I'm fine with it, but I see what you mean with reference to the previous model. 5.ACC I love, but you shouldn't rely on it in very busy traffic, I have been in situations where it almost got me. 6. I hate the standard seat and everything todo with it- stupid design.
I sure hope that KTM will adress some of the issues in the software (should be easy enough to do) but even if the do not - it is still an amazing bike that you can have lots of fun with! I hope you do 😎👍
I didn't like the new ktm 1290 super adventure s. There was a lot of vibrations, the foot pegs seemed off set. I prefer my 5 year old ktm 1090 adventure s. Smoother ride and the seat position is higher.
Takes a while to get used to the new one - but there are quite a few things I do like about the successor now. Lower center of gravity and lower seat height for example ;-)
Tank design - so a change that imparts two functional improvements - lower CG AND a weather fairing - and your comment is that it does not look as good. You seem to be struggling for material here ?
Not sure why you would think that - both comments can certainly stand - the functional improvement come at the price of a "droopier" design - especially on the S model - the R carries it better in my opinion. The 1290 design look better than the 790/890 tank design. Also, KTM / Husqvarna have shown with the Norden 901 that good funcitonality of the tank does not have to come at the expensive of a good look / design.
Das Handling, Fahrwerk und Verarbeitung ist besser als bei meiern 2017ér / Der Motor ist einfacher zu fahren (besonders bei niedrigen Drehzahlen) / Die Schalter sind qualitativ wertiger, aber nicht besser (Die Blinkerrückstellung störte mich auch. / Die Alte ist herausvordernder und schöner (leider auch schon fast zu laut). Ich habe nicht gewechselt!!!
Gute Zusammenfassung - die 2021 wird sicherlich mind die nächsten 4 Jahre verfügbar sein. Man muss ja nicht im ersten Jahr auf ein neues Modell springen 😎
Well, my first 2 had zero problems - one with 48k km - the other 35k km before I sold them. My current 1290 SAR is getting a new engine after 16k km after a catastrophic engine damage on the autobahn
Bin die Maschine 2500km in Südtirol gefahren. Mir persönlich gefällt das Tank Design. Aber ich mag auch die 890er. :-) Ja das ACC macht manchmal seltsame Dinge, vor allem bei Spurwechseln oder bei sehr engen Kurven. Aber wenn man lange z.B: auf einer Bundesstraße hinterher fährt ist das trotzdem ein Gedicht auf einer 400km+ Tour und funktioniert gut genung meiner Meinung nach. Die normalen Tempomaten sind da komplett nutzlos wenn das Auto vorne ständig +/-10 km/h Geschwindigkeiten fährt. Hab das Feature vor allem auf der An/Abreise sehr genossen.
Great and honest review with all being valid points, let me take this opportunity to tell you that you and your country men are in our thoughts in this difficult time.
Interesting and informative video Oliver! I didn't have any issues with the adaptive CC when I tested the 2021 S late June. Could there be disparity, or something wrong with the bike you tested? I rode in traffic and had no issues. Else, the natural reaction when something goes south should be disconnect, not accelerate. I liked the function but what you've uncovered definitely isn't confidence inspiring! Else I agree with most of your points. The predecessor comes across as a better design machine. To such an extent people comment on it (first time for me). Not managed to get tire pressure etc up on my screen on a 2019 SAS main screen? Just tried to enable after having seen your video (was oblivious to this prior) and nothing happened. Does it need to run to show up? Can't see anything on the main screen (standstill. Perhaps this feature only works on 2020 R model? Trying the 2021 SAS I didn't feel compelled to change. Everything works flawlessly on my bike. Geometrical changes, such as offset risers. combined with Poweparts Ergo seat fixed two important niggles. Cheers :)
Knut - the TPMS is standard on all S & R models from 2017-2020 - you will find it in the sub menu but it will not show data until the bike moves. This video explains how to get the info on the main screen using 'favorites' - watch from 3:30 min ruclips.net/video/FAoLuSbFZH0/видео.html
@@MotoVibes Thanks, found it! Had been in the wrong menu )navi info screen). This is fekking awesome. Why would they not allow the same flexibility on the new model? Makes absolutely nada sense!
@@KMeyn Glad you found it ;-) You 'can' show the same info on the new model with the restriction of 4 data sets total - the predecessor will show up to 8 data sets plus time & ambient temperature!
Well so far my KTMs have been super reliable with zero issues until this happened on my current 2022 1290 SAR - but don’t be to concerned as this seems to be rather rare ruclips.net/video/_y-2GRTVphQ/видео.htmlsi=xrnKQoqs3vd8QMWI
@@MotoVibes that’s good to know thank you. I like their North American warranty update from 2021. The prior year only covered frame, crank case and swing arm and nothing else. Now it’s any part in the period provided no abuse, neglect, or submersion in liquids etc. That is what brought back in to my list of contenders for my second bike in a year or two.
@@stevek4449 I am on my third 1290 SA and have ridden more than 100k km combined on KTMs. The engine damage was annoying but KTM fixed it all and so far the bike runs great. I have had some amazing adventures with KTM and every time I go out to my bike I have a big smile on my face 😉
Ok. I have not even tried to use the app with the bike. Not sure what for. Just got a brand new car also came with an app - it’s completely useless - not sure why I need to check the remaining fuel range from my L-shaped couch 😬
@@dorian2244 YES - this time I went for the Arrow exhaust instead of the Akrapovic for the slimmer look, titanium construction (I do ride this bike off-road and it will crash) and the good sound. Also, the Arrow was quite a bit cheaper this time. I could not justify to spent more than 1000 Euros for an exhaust that i will damage sooner than later 😂
@@dorian2244 I had the predecessor (which I was very happy with) - actually two of them for more than 85,000 km - to compare to the 2021+ model. Now I have the 2022 model of the R which got to ride right when it came out for the first time ruclips.net/video/6BGIR5pji6o/видео.html
Just got a 2022 and the indicator button is the same. I'm also put off by this. I'm coming off a Ducati and I can say the feel, finish and quality of the switch gear is not as good. Don't let this stop you it's really not that bad. I'm just nit picking. The adaptive cruise control has worked flawlessly for me and I use it all the time. I will not have a bike like this without it now.
absolutely right - it would not stop me buying this bike either. this came out of the expectation that things improve with each iteration of the 1290 and if you have not owned the previous bike you would not even notice.
Display: Everytime I hear someone say they could fix the issue on software upgrade, it never happens. I cannot recall any motorcycle company making any display changes with an upgrade. I hear it so often, but it never happens so KTM will probably stick with that limited info display. Too bad with the larger screen.
The styling is a subjective call, the split tank improves the handling, love it handles like a dream. My needs are a great riding experience not a pretty dress. The turn button, it has an automatic turn off feature, works well us it. I agree the menus are involved, but I leave my suspension in auto, works great. My custom switches I use fuel map and heated gloves. Almost all other features you set where you want and never touch them again, same with seat height, set and forget. I love my 1290 S model. Best bike I have ever owned, definitely has the WOW factor over my R1200GS
I own 2020 790R and 2016 1290 T and I am waiting for the 2021 to come to U.S. for an upgrade. They are coming out in U.S as 2022 models not 2021 like in Europe and will be available in this fall. Why I own two bikes ? Well, to me 1290 R is still too heavy as a "true" off road bike. In my opinion, KTM's 1290 is a great bike for hard pavement application. It is much harder to handle that bike off-road. You need to develop amazing riding skills to be able to do what a true off-road was design to do.
Having come from 11 BMW GSA GS etc im on my first KTM 1290s 2021 3,500 miles in so far I think for me your issues re button sizes and menus are not there because i didn't have the old model. For me you forgot the most annoying thing on this bike! "HEADLIGHTS" You are not allowed to turn on your headlight as and when you want first bike ever i have had like this when using DRL i would like to also have my headlight on and indeed my new spotlights. But KTM does not allow this yes you can turn off DRL in settings but whats the point of that! As you ride you will see the TFT screen change and the DRL go's off the headlight comes on e.g. darker roads, tunnels, trees etc But it happens so easy car drivers think you are flashing them here in the UK its common to flash and let people in and out at junctions etc this KTM style could be mislead to think you are flashing. But other than the seat (still awaiting ergo seat) Im loving it. It will never be as comfy as a GS and a GS tips into corners better, but the KTM comes out faster...Fun and I love the orange and I think its way better looking giving its agility then the older model. Ride safe enjoy
I guess that is a legal thing. Cannot have DRL and the headlight at the same time as far as I know. For me there cannot be enough forward light on a motorcycle 😎
Sold my 2018 1290R. Waiting the 21 to get in the USA, but the changes on the dash showing 1 to 4 only as you mencioned tells me they r going backwards. I used to have all 8 on my old.
Not sure you can really consider this a drawback: the MY21 bikes are Euro 5! Yes, I know we should consider this an advantage, but I do not. The sound suffers and I assume there are more issues with diagnostics, sensors etc. to be expected in the long term than on the older Euro 4 bikes.
There is definitely a lot more tech and weight on the bikes now than ever before to them cleaner and quieter - it’s getting much harder too for the manufactures to comply - we have seen a lot of bikes disappear due to recent Euro-Norm changes
Totally agree concerning the indicator button. I have a 2020 1290 SDR and its exactly the same. Very poor feedback when using the button. Although it does have a self cancelling feature I'd rather not rely on it.
I am not impressed by the automatic turn signal cancellation- BMW has it too and it’s crap. None of the manufacturers seem to get his straight- it would be so easy and useful to have auto cancel on motorcycles just like in cars. Only Harley Davidson gets it right and they have been for decades - my brothers HD is from 1998 - turn signal canceling works like a charm 😉
I'd like to know what settings you had in place on the Adaptive Cruise Control when you had your moment with the Audi. Was your cruise control speed set much higher speed than the Audi was traveling? Was your follow distance set to minimum? Or was this actually a glitch, where the radar no longer "saw" the vehicle in front of it? What did the dealer say, when you returned the bike? It's a good thing that the rider can easily override the cruise control. And turn off ACC altogether and just use standard cruise control.
The speed was set to 100 km/h as far as I remember - I was following at the speed of the car in front of me for quite a while when the cruise control suddenly accelerated. there was still enough time to react so there was no real danger. I did not bring this up with the dealer ;-)
The seat is really something they should fix! Had no problems like you with the radar (done 1800 highway) Only changing lanes makes it accelerate sometimes because of the gap between cars.
I have the 2018 R and also find the pre-21 design more appealing than the 21 design. Gonna keep my 18 for many years. It's been a totally reliable travel companion so far. Only flaw so far is the righthand Race-On switchgear has failed and will be repaced. The failures are water ingress when washing it ( refuses to start up and requires up to ten pushes at Race-On switch before lighting up ) and electronic failure at startup due to electronic interference in parking houses with many cars. New Race-On switchgear ordered with improved electronic shielding and waterproofing.
Especially in such an easy scenario while following traffic at constant speed in a straight line. Good thing is that you can adjust the distance in which the bike will follow traffic and the speed pickup of the cruise Control - in my case there was enough time to react and abort the cruise control
Did you check your front tyre pressure when picking up your 2020? Picked my SAR up last week, the front tyre was set to 39 PSI! Way over inflated on a brand new tyre - 21 inch tyres don't have the largest contact patches to begin with, then over inflate it - this could have easily caused a crash the first time I hit a turn! They clearly didn't do a thorough PDI check. No excuse as the bike has a TPMS! Just wondering if this led to your crash. Cheers.
@@MotoVibes Yes, after seeing your video i was VERY careful - in fact I dropped the front pressure to 30PSI before I even left the dealership to heat the tyre faster and give me a fatter contact patch. (didn't do any sustained high speed on that pressure of course.)
The turn switch need to be pushed down/forward, took me some time to find out. From the manual: An automatic turn signal switch-off function (ATIR) is available as a software feature. The ATIR function uses a time and distance counter. If the turn signal has been on for at least 10 seconds and 150 meters of riding distance, the turn signal is switched off.
I am not impressed by the automatic turn signal cancellation- BMW has it too and it’s crap. None of the manufacturers seem to get his straight- it would be so easy and useful to have auto cancel on motorcycles just like in cars. Only Harley Davidson gets it right and they have been for decades - my brothers HD is from 1998 - turn signal canceling works like a charm 😉
5 years is great. Major stuff tends to break earlier rather than later - so usually the 2 years we have in Germany should cover the worst and then you can extend the warranty for another 2 years - which I did for my BMW and my KTM 1290 SAS. Yeah it costs a few hundred bucks but it was worth the piece of mind for me. With that said - I never needed the warranty on the KTM
The V-Strom is much slower than the 23 year old bike its engine first appeared in - yeah it's probably reliable - but you'll crash it after falling asleep from the boredom of the gutless engine.
Thank you very much - I did not want to spoil anyone's potential purchase of the motorcycle ;-) Still lots of great things about the new bike but as an owner of the predecessor we are already enjoying much of it already.
The looks are growing on me, but I still prefer my "old" one. I just recently noticed that the rear brake lights actually now match up with the rest of the model line.
Sehr wichtige Punkte, die den diesjährigen Kauf der Vorgängerin erneut bestätigt. Mit dem adaptiven Tempomat hatte ich fast erwartet und das ist definitiv bei der Leistung von 160PS kein Spaß mehr. Merci und gute Fahrt!
naja - die R gefällt mir schon ganz gut - verstehe nur nicht warum man gerade bei der Bedienungsfreundlichkeit wieder einen Schritt zurück gegangen ist.
Ich bin so froh, dass ich mir im Dezember eine neue 1290 Super Adventurne S gegönnt habe. Ich bin top zufrieden mit der Maschine und vermisse nichts. Danke für Deine Videos...👍
Mit einem vernünftigen Graphics Kit kann man bestimmt einiges rausholen optisch aber besonders in Orange kommt der große tief hängende Tank nicht besonders gut.
@@stefanfleischer3478 die R Version hat ja Sturzbügel ab Werk. Irgendwie find ich die R Version auch optisch stimmiger - die Farbwahl und die größeren Räder der R lassen den tiefgezogenen Tank nicht so in der Vordergrund treten.
This guy bought previous gen and he told that nonsense dislike s.... That does not mean this bike is worst than previous... This model absolutely far better than previous model in all aspects.. He is supporting his model thats all.... This model is now king of adv segment. Pls watch good channels review like knoxarmour you will understand
It seems you have not been paying a lot attention to this video and the others linked in the description - maybe get a full picture before making unfounded accusations. Also, it would be more interesting to hear about your own experiences and have you add to the conversation. These are in the end just MY experiences that I am sharing. I will always tell you to ride the bike for yourself and make up your own mind. Ride safe -cheers
It's clearly not better in ALL respects - I hate the 2021 indicator switch - it's terrible and the max 4 custom items on the dash is a huge backward step. The old bike did look better - but I'll happily swap looks for the better balance from the split tanks.
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Hi my German friend 👻
I watch another blogger that mentioned about the seat height adjustment problem
And suspects that Ktm may do a recall to resolve it
One point that I have heard complaints about
Is that the electronics are not covered by the warranty?
And that the 1290 R is priced higher than the 1290s
Even though it having a lot less electronics
I think I am going to stick with my low mileage 2018 1090r for know
Stay safe my friend 👍🏻
And remember 🤔
Your awesome 🏍🙏🏻
Thank you David 😉 I really wonder what the deal with the seat is - good to know I am not the only one that had an issue here- just hope they get it fixed for all the owners of the new bikes. Looks like warranty coverage is different from country to country - manufactures have to provide warranty in Germany for a year for their products - they cannot just exclude whatever they feel like should. It be included 😉
I have had mine for one week now, after 1000 km I see the calculation of the consumption is far to high compared to the actual consumption. The seat need to be secured with strips to avoid slipping to low position. A bad design when you see below the seat.
Thank you for your input - I hope KTM will have a more permanent solution soon for the seat 😉
It lost the Audi in the radar return pattern from the truck. Teslas are also scared of trucks 🤣👍
So this is something we see with other systems too?! Never had this issue with my car so far and it’s far from a sophisticated radar assisted cruise control 😉
One of the BEST real world ..honest.. motorcycle RUclips sites..,stay safe..... keep the videos coming !!
Thank you for the kind words 😉👍
The only button I have issues with is the high beam that i keep bumping. I may have to twist the button section downwards to get it out of my index finger area. I havent had any cruise control issues. Been working well. My car I think works well as it uses a radar and camera together.
I love the radar cruise control in my car too. On the KTM I am sure it will work well- also it takes time to get used to how it works and then it should be just as good
As an owner of the 2021SAS 1. Agree on the looks, but it's subjective. 2.Buttons, yea the indicator is a PoS. 3. 100% correct about the C1\2, you can't attach any of the Suspension options (why?). 4.Display options- I'm fine with it, but I see what you mean with reference to the previous model. 5.ACC I love, but you shouldn't rely on it in very busy traffic, I have been in situations where it almost got me. 6. I hate the standard seat and everything todo with it- stupid design.
I sure hope that KTM will adress some of the issues in the software (should be easy enough to do) but even if the do not - it is still an amazing bike that you can have lots of fun with! I hope you do 😎👍
I didn't like the new ktm 1290 super adventure s. There was a lot of vibrations, the foot pegs seemed off set. I prefer my 5 year old ktm 1090 adventure s. Smoother ride and the seat position is higher.
Takes a while to get used to the new one - but there are quite a few things I do like about the successor now. Lower center of gravity and lower seat height for example ;-)
Tank design - so a change that imparts two functional improvements - lower CG AND a weather fairing - and your comment is that it does not look as good. You seem to be struggling for material here ?
Not sure why you would think that - both comments can certainly stand - the functional improvement come at the price of a "droopier" design - especially on the S model - the R carries it better in my opinion. The 1290 design look better than the 790/890 tank design. Also, KTM / Husqvarna have shown with the Norden 901 that good funcitonality of the tank does not have to come at the expensive of a good look / design.
Das Handling, Fahrwerk und Verarbeitung ist besser als bei meiern 2017ér / Der Motor ist einfacher zu fahren (besonders bei niedrigen Drehzahlen) / Die Schalter sind qualitativ wertiger, aber nicht besser (Die Blinkerrückstellung störte mich auch. / Die Alte ist herausvordernder und schöner (leider auch schon fast zu laut). Ich habe nicht gewechselt!!!
Gute Zusammenfassung - die 2021 wird sicherlich mind die nächsten 4 Jahre verfügbar sein. Man muss ja nicht im ersten Jahr auf ein neues Modell springen 😎
Thank God, I will buy one for myself
It was an Audi mate, everybody knows Audi's are used to being bumper to bumper close. The 1290 just wanted to make it feel at home 😂
I see, so you mean „auto chase“ was active on the KTM? That would make sense 😂
@@MotoVibes exactly 👌👍😂
Very good, fair and honest review. I am conferring buying the predicessor, a 2019 SAS so really interested in people's impressions and experience.
KTM unfortunately do not keep their value as much as BMW or Harley which on the other hand is good news for buying a used bike. Let us know it goes 😉
Hi, great video pal!
How is the reliability of 1290???
Well, my first 2 had zero problems - one with 48k km - the other 35k km before I sold them. My current 1290 SAR is getting a new engine after 16k km after a catastrophic engine damage on the autobahn
@@MotoVibes what happend to engine on highway? Warranty I hope?!
@@michsky46 no details yet but it’s warranty - I will get a replacement engine
@@MotoVibes wau!!! Coz considering buyingbone
@@michsky46 it sucks but it is probably rather rare that this happens. It should not keep from buying a bike you like.
Pause at 02:23 and then look here prnt.sc/1cdk89z ...I cannot un-see anymore!
😂
'form follows function'
Bin die Maschine 2500km in Südtirol gefahren. Mir persönlich gefällt das Tank Design. Aber ich mag auch die 890er. :-)
Ja das ACC macht manchmal seltsame Dinge, vor allem bei Spurwechseln oder bei sehr engen Kurven. Aber wenn man lange z.B: auf einer Bundesstraße hinterher fährt ist das trotzdem ein Gedicht auf einer 400km+ Tour und funktioniert gut genung meiner Meinung nach. Die normalen Tempomaten sind da komplett nutzlos wenn das Auto vorne ständig +/-10 km/h Geschwindigkeiten fährt. Hab das Feature vor allem auf der An/Abreise sehr genossen.
Und? Kaufst Du Dir evtl eine?
@@MotoVibes In der Tat hab ich mir eine gekauft vor zwei Wochen. 😊
@@Verknechter gratuliere zur neuen KTM 😎👍👍
Great and honest review with all being valid points, let me take this opportunity to tell you that you and your country men are in our thoughts in this difficult time.
Thank you very much - for both 👍
Interesting and informative video Oliver! I didn't have any issues with the adaptive CC when I tested the 2021 S late June. Could there be disparity, or something wrong with the bike you tested? I rode in traffic and had no issues. Else, the natural reaction when something goes south should be disconnect, not accelerate. I liked the function but what you've uncovered definitely isn't confidence inspiring!
Else I agree with most of your points. The predecessor comes across as a better design machine. To such an extent people comment on it (first time for me). Not managed to get tire pressure etc up on my screen on a 2019 SAS main screen? Just tried to enable after having seen your video (was oblivious to this prior) and nothing happened. Does it need to run to show up? Can't see anything on the main screen (standstill. Perhaps this feature only works on 2020 R model?
Trying the 2021 SAS I didn't feel compelled to change. Everything works flawlessly on my bike. Geometrical changes, such as offset risers. combined with Poweparts Ergo seat fixed two important niggles. Cheers :)
Knut - the TPMS is standard on all S & R models from 2017-2020 - you will find it in the sub menu but it will not show data until the bike moves.
This video explains how to get the info on the main screen using 'favorites' - watch from 3:30 min ruclips.net/video/FAoLuSbFZH0/видео.html
@@MotoVibes Thanks, found it! Had been in the wrong menu )navi info screen). This is fekking awesome. Why would they not allow the same flexibility on the new model? Makes absolutely nada sense!
@@KMeyn Glad you found it ;-) You 'can' show the same info on the new model with the restriction of 4 data sets total - the predecessor will show up to 8 data sets plus time & ambient temperature!
How reliable has the bike been? Thinking of the 23 or 24 S version.
Well so far my KTMs have been super reliable with zero issues until this happened on my current 2022 1290 SAR - but don’t be to concerned as this seems to be rather rare ruclips.net/video/_y-2GRTVphQ/видео.htmlsi=xrnKQoqs3vd8QMWI
@@MotoVibes that’s good to know thank you. I like their North American warranty update from 2021. The prior year only covered frame, crank case and swing arm and nothing else. Now it’s any part in the period provided no abuse, neglect, or submersion in liquids etc. That is what brought back in to my list of contenders for my second bike in a year or two.
@@stevek4449 I am on my third 1290 SA and have ridden more than 100k km combined on KTMs. The engine damage was annoying but KTM fixed it all and so far the bike runs great. I have had some amazing adventures with KTM and every time I go out to my bike I have a big smile on my face 😉
Whatever
What i do not like on 2023 s model is that the My KTM app does not work with phone .
Ok. I have not even tried to use the app with the bike. Not sure what for. Just got a brand new car also came with an app - it’s completely useless - not sure why I need to check the remaining fuel range from my L-shaped couch 😬
Did you change exhaust?
@@dorian2244 YES - this time I went for the Arrow exhaust instead of the Akrapovic for the slimmer look, titanium construction (I do ride this bike off-road and it will crash) and the good sound. Also, the Arrow was quite a bit cheaper this time. I could not justify to spent more than 1000 Euros for an exhaust that i will damage sooner than later 😂
I like the Trojan Horse look it's what we call a sleeper. It's faster than it looks.
it's plenty fast alright ;-)
@@MotoVibes I'm sure I will find a few dislikes in the months to come
@@dorian2244 I had the predecessor (which I was very happy with) - actually two of them for more than 85,000 km - to compare to the 2021+ model. Now I have the 2022 model of the R which got to ride right when it came out for the first time ruclips.net/video/6BGIR5pji6o/видео.html
Just got a 2022 and the indicator button is the same. I'm also put off by this. I'm coming off a Ducati and I can say the feel, finish and quality of the switch gear is not as good. Don't let this stop you it's really not that bad. I'm just nit picking. The adaptive cruise control has worked flawlessly for me and I use it all the time. I will not have a bike like this without it now.
absolutely right - it would not stop me buying this bike either. this came out of the expectation that things improve with each iteration of the 1290 and if you have not owned the previous bike you would not even notice.
Really good info. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful! 👍
Display: Everytime I hear someone say they could fix the issue on software upgrade, it never happens. I cannot recall any motorcycle company making any display changes with an upgrade. I hear it so often, but it never happens so KTM will probably stick with that limited info display. Too bad with the larger screen.
Good point - it would be easy technically but as the display is part of the homologation it may not be possible to make such changes now
The styling is a subjective call, the split tank improves the handling, love it handles like a dream. My needs are a great riding experience not a pretty dress. The turn button, it has an automatic turn off feature, works well us it. I agree the menus are involved, but I leave my suspension in auto, works great. My custom switches I use fuel map and heated gloves. Almost all other features you set where you want and never touch them again, same with seat height, set and forget. I love my 1290 S model. Best bike I have ever owned, definitely has the WOW factor over my R1200GS
Well. Congratulations to your new KTM - I am sure you saw the other video too with the positives 😉
I own 2020 790R and 2016 1290 T and I am waiting for the 2021 to come to U.S. for an upgrade. They are coming out in U.S as 2022 models not 2021 like in Europe and will be available in this fall. Why I own two bikes ? Well, to me 1290 R is still too heavy as a "true" off road bike. In my opinion, KTM's 1290 is a great bike for hard pavement application. It is much harder to handle that bike off-road. You need to develop amazing riding skills to be able to do what a true off-road was design to do.
That is the way to do it 👍 2 bikes 😎
that adaptiff cruise controle is not for a motorbike... i dont like it al all... still happy with the 2020 🤘🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻🤘🏻
I usually feel the urge to pass not to follow behind a car 😂
Having come from 11 BMW GSA GS etc im on my first KTM 1290s 2021 3,500 miles in so far I think for me your issues re button sizes and menus are not there because i didn't have the old model. For me you forgot the most annoying thing on this bike! "HEADLIGHTS" You are not allowed to turn on your headlight as and when you want first bike ever i have had like this when using DRL i would like to also have my headlight on and indeed my new spotlights. But KTM does not allow this yes you can turn off DRL in settings but whats the point of that! As you ride you will see the TFT screen change and the DRL go's off the headlight comes on e.g. darker roads, tunnels, trees etc But it happens so easy car drivers think you are flashing them here in the UK its common to flash and let people in and out at junctions etc this KTM style could be mislead to think you are flashing. But other than the seat (still awaiting ergo seat) Im loving it. It will never be as comfy as a GS and a GS tips into corners better, but the KTM comes out faster...Fun and I love the orange and I think its way better looking giving its agility then the older model. Ride safe enjoy
I guess that is a legal thing. Cannot have DRL and the headlight at the same time as far as I know. For me there cannot be enough forward light on a motorcycle 😎
Sold my 2018 1290R. Waiting the 21 to get in the USA, but the changes on the dash showing 1 to 4 only as you mencioned tells me they r going backwards. I used to have all 8 on my old.
I hope this will get fixed soon. They had it right before 😉
Not sure you can really consider this a drawback: the MY21 bikes are Euro 5! Yes, I know we should consider this an advantage, but I do not. The sound suffers and I assume there are more issues with diagnostics, sensors etc. to be expected in the long term than on the older Euro 4 bikes.
There is definitely a lot more tech and weight on the bikes now than ever before to them cleaner and quieter - it’s getting much harder too for the manufactures to comply - we have seen a lot of bikes disappear due to recent Euro-Norm changes
Totally agree concerning the indicator button. I have a 2020 1290 SDR and its exactly the same. Very poor feedback when using the button. Although it does have a self cancelling feature I'd rather not rely on it.
I am not impressed by the automatic turn signal cancellation- BMW has it too and it’s crap. None of the manufacturers seem to get his straight- it would be so easy and useful to have auto cancel on motorcycles just like in cars. Only Harley Davidson gets it right and they have been for decades - my brothers HD is from 1998 - turn signal canceling works like a charm 😉
I'd like to know what settings you had in place on the Adaptive Cruise Control when you had your moment with the Audi. Was your cruise control speed set much higher speed than the Audi was traveling? Was your follow distance set to minimum? Or was this actually a glitch, where the radar no longer "saw" the vehicle in front of it? What did the dealer say, when you returned the bike? It's a good thing that the rider can easily override the cruise control. And turn off ACC altogether and just use standard cruise control.
The speed was set to 100 km/h as far as I remember - I was following at the speed of the car in front of me for quite a while when the cruise control suddenly accelerated. there was still enough time to react so there was no real danger. I did not bring this up with the dealer ;-)
The seat is really something they should fix! Had no problems like you with the radar (done 1800 highway) Only changing lanes makes it accelerate sometimes because of the gap between cars.
Absolutely - good to know the radar is working for you 😎👍
Nice honest rewiev😊. And you have talent as a youtuber👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you very much Jesper 😊
I have the 2018 R and also find the pre-21 design more appealing than the 21 design. Gonna keep my 18 for many years. It's been a totally reliable travel companion so far. Only flaw so far is the righthand Race-On switchgear has failed and will be repaced. The failures are water ingress when washing it ( refuses to start up and requires up to ten pushes at Race-On switch before lighting up ) and electronic failure at startup due to electronic interference in parking houses with many cars. New Race-On switchgear ordered with improved electronic shielding and waterproofing.
good to know! will watch out when washing the bike ;-)
The adaptive cruse thing was scarry, ifmt is very dangerous if is accelerate suddenly like it did in the video
Especially in such an easy scenario while following traffic at constant speed in a straight line. Good thing is that you can adjust the distance in which the bike will follow traffic and the speed pickup of the cruise Control - in my case there was enough time to react and abort the cruise control
This video wont start, just "loading" all the time.........who did you upset?
well I hope it’s not that 😂
Rechtsfahrregel kennst du nicht?
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Eating oil?
Not on mine. Intervals are long with 15k km so it’s good to check and add a bit when necessary
I'll keep my 2018 SAS! Thanks for putting together this video!
Thank you 😎
Did you check your front tyre pressure when picking up your 2020? Picked my SAR up last week, the front tyre was set to 39 PSI! Way over inflated on a brand new tyre - 21 inch tyres don't have the largest contact patches to begin with, then over inflate it - this could have easily caused a crash the first time I hit a turn! They clearly didn't do a thorough PDI check. No excuse as the bike has a TPMS! Just wondering if this led to your crash. Cheers.
Tire pressure was fine on mine. I did have TPMS on. The tires were cold and incredibly slippery
@@MotoVibes Yes, after seeing your video i was VERY careful - in fact I dropped the front pressure to 30PSI before I even left the dealership to heat the tyre faster and give me a fatter contact patch. (didn't do any sustained high speed on that pressure of course.)
The turn switch need to be pushed down/forward, took me some time to find out.
From the manual:
An automatic turn signal switch-off function (ATIR) is available as a software feature.
The ATIR function uses a time and distance counter.
If the turn signal has been on for at least 10 seconds and
150 meters of riding distance, the turn signal is switched
off.
I am not impressed by the automatic turn signal cancellation- BMW has it too and it’s crap. None of the manufacturers seem to get his straight- it would be so easy and useful to have auto cancel on motorcycles just like in cars. Only Harley Davidson gets it right and they have been for decades - my brothers HD is from 1998 - turn signal canceling works like a charm 😉
Seat Problem Temporary Fix: ruclips.net/video/cTdVLOPbEGE/видео.html
Thank you. I will have a look
Again, you have convinced me to hold on to my 2017 1290 SA-R. I don’t feel like I’m missing out on KTM’s latest iteration of the 1290 SAs.
Still a great bike you have 👍😎
Poor old stodgy V-Strom’s give away five year comprehensive warranties; if KTM did that it would go bankrupt.
5 years is great. Major stuff tends to break earlier rather than later - so usually the 2 years we have in Germany should cover the worst and then you can extend the warranty for another 2 years - which I did for my BMW and my KTM 1290 SAS. Yeah it costs a few hundred bucks but it was worth the piece of mind for me. With that said - I never needed the warranty on the KTM
The V-Strom is much slower than the 23 year old bike its engine first appeared in - yeah it's probably reliable - but you'll crash it after falling asleep from the boredom of the gutless engine.
@@LondonSteveLee 😂 that would indeed be a real problem for me
Thanks a real Honest Review. I Have a 1290 S (2018) and I'd like a 2021.... but.... now.... (Grüße aus München!)
Thank you very much - I did not want to spoil anyone's potential purchase of the motorcycle ;-) Still lots of great things about the new bike but as an owner of the predecessor we are already enjoying much of it already.
@@MotoVibes I mean the Radar is Scary!!!!! Haha
@@cybermau ;-)
Fais des vidéos sur ta 2020 et ne nous raconte pas n'importe quoi sur la 2021...???
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oh - I will once I recovery from my recent crash injuries ;-)
das mit dem Sitz hat KTM nun auch schon mitbekommen nach einigen Beschwerden. Es wird daran gearbeitet, es soll wohl bald eine Loesung geben.
Bin gespannt - merkwürdiges Problem
The looks are growing on me, but I still prefer my "old" one. I just recently noticed that the rear brake lights actually now match up with the rest of the model line.
The R actually looks pretty good. The orange S not so much - but that shows that graphics make a big difference
Sehr wichtige Punkte, die den diesjährigen Kauf der Vorgängerin erneut bestätigt. Mit dem adaptiven Tempomat hatte ich fast erwartet und das ist definitiv bei der Leistung von 160PS kein Spaß mehr. Merci und gute Fahrt!
Besten Dank 😎
Schön daß es mal jemand ausspricht. Die neue geht gar nicht!
naja - die R gefällt mir schon ganz gut - verstehe nur nicht warum man gerade bei der Bedienungsfreundlichkeit wieder einen Schritt zurück gegangen ist.
Ich bin so froh, dass ich mir im Dezember eine neue 1290 Super Adventurne S gegönnt habe.
Ich bin top zufrieden mit der Maschine und vermisse nichts.
Danke für Deine Videos...👍
Vielen Dank- ist auch eine top Maschine 👍😎
Ktm king of road
indeed ;-)
As I grew older, understood that latest is not necessarily greatest.
True that 😎
mit dem tank komm ich auch nicht klar 😅da bleibt man bei der alten 🥰
Mit einem vernünftigen Graphics Kit kann man bestimmt einiges rausholen optisch aber besonders in Orange kommt der große tief hängende Tank nicht besonders gut.
@@MotoVibes evtl mit sturzbügel schon besser 🤔hab aber bis jetzt noch keine damit gesehen
@@stefanfleischer3478 die R Version hat ja Sturzbügel ab Werk. Irgendwie find ich die R Version auch optisch stimmiger - die Farbwahl und die größeren Räder der R lassen den tiefgezogenen Tank nicht so in der Vordergrund treten.
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This guy bought previous gen and he told that nonsense dislike s.... That does not mean this bike is worst than previous... This model absolutely far better than previous model in all aspects.. He is supporting his model thats all.... This model is now king of adv segment.
Pls watch good channels review like knoxarmour you will understand
It seems you have not been paying a lot attention to this video and the others linked in the description - maybe get a full picture before making unfounded accusations. Also, it would be more interesting to hear about your own experiences and have you add to the conversation. These are in the end just MY experiences that I am sharing. I will always tell you to ride the bike for yourself and make up your own mind. Ride safe -cheers
It's clearly not better in ALL respects - I hate the 2021 indicator switch - it's terrible and the max 4 custom items on the dash is a huge backward step. The old bike did look better - but I'll happily swap looks for the better balance from the split tanks.