Catalan referendum: what is happening in Barcelona?
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- Jonathan Rugman is in Barcelona to see what the reaction is to the referendum on Catalan independence. Violence has broken out between those wanting to vote face and the police trying to stop them. The Spanish government have said the vote is illegal, pro-referendum protesters have been camping out across the weekend at polling stations to ensure they stay open.
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The spirit of INDEPENDENCE will NEVER DIE
I am Vietnamese and I totally support all oppressed peoples of the world: Catalonians, Basque, Galacians, Cantonese, etc...
Freedom to Catalonia now!
@@luongo7886 Will you support Tabarnese people?
@@SantiagoSánchezBarragán Sure, why not?
Thank you very much to help people to know and understand what is really happening in Catalunya. Thank you for your support and help, we really appreciate
Chuck Norris You will eventually get your independence.
The spirit to create your own destiny never dies no matter what dictators think of you.
I respect the Catalan protesters.
They didn't use violence or did any explosions. But the police forces did.
For that they won my support.
1st Player yeah of course they didnt throw rocks, didnt let them take what legally they had to take and bring their kids to dont get hurt, truly admirable behaviour
the Catalan referendum would have been like a party in which Barcelona played and the referee would have been the president of that club. already voted with guarantees the Catalan years before and the percentage of votes in favor of the independentistas groups was smaller. these groups want to vote until the result favors them when it will not vote for more. that will have then planned these groups that now skip the laws? germany 30's
your support wont help them at all, you have no influence over the spanish government...
this is why peaceful protest is always crushed and silenced, these guys need a civil war
Yes, the protesters didn't use violence. We had 1 dead policeman and 400 injured. Probably because of how peaceful they were.
I suppose Spain has only itself to blame now. You didn't give them autonomy nor the capability to even vote legally, so now they're giving you civil unrest. Next step is painfully obvious to everyone else.. You've antagonized them with police action which will at the worst case lead to rebellion. Good luck, fascists.
5:48 OMG this looks like the GESTAPO from Nazi Germany
No, It looks like police following judge orders
As a Kurd my hearth is with Catalonia. If they success I'll be happy for them like Kurdistan established. My prayers for Catalonia.
James F. Harrington. Hello James, I don't agree with you about Islam, I am Sunni Muslim, Syrian and kurdi. And I am not with independence of Kurdi from Syria or Iraq.
the Catalan referendum would have been like a party in which Barcelona played and the referee would have been the president of that club. already voted with guarantees the Catalan years before and the percentage of votes in favor of the independentistas groups was smaller. these groups want to vote until the result favors them when it will not vote for more. that will have then planned these groups that now skip the laws? germany 30's
Ali Saydam Like your isolated Kurds in their "homeland" you might have recognised heated feelings isn't the best advices or realistic guarantee relying on..
Stirring conflicts with surrounding stronger powers instead of negotiating has consequences..
There's always a tomorrow to you and your children
Ali Saydam
As Catalan my heart is with kurdistan!! We all will fight for the freedom of our cultures and the free will of it's people. I really hope you can find the peace and the respect that you deserve.
We love you!
thanks for your sopport we really apreciate. I'm from Barcelona
freedom for Catalonia and for Kurdistan
He he he, democracy and freedom in Europe! the majority in Catalan voted for independence, yet Spain said No, and so did EU.
If the EU doesn't seriously seriously discipline Spain for this, I'm going to be fucking disgusted.
Article 7 of EU treaty calls for disbarment from the EU for using military force on your own citizens. Granted, it's not the army but the it's a close as.
The guardia civil is a military force charged with police duties
Oblivion
The EU is cheering Madrid on. They don't want the boat rocked.
Oblivion Highly doubtful. British soldiers shot Irish people dead in Ireland for years & the EU done nothing about it.
Oblivion yeah but our Constitution makes it clear, any territory that wasnt a colony or conquered by military force, cant decide about their future as a nation without the opinion of all citizens, in thks case us, the rest of Spain. Dont talks about things you lack knowledge about. It makes you look as an ignorant
Oblivion yeah police is brutal as they have to deal with criminals. I really dont care about what you think of us, you are irrelevant, people will still come and leave money
The EU will do worse to peoples who try to leave their vile and disgusting union. NO TO THE SUPERSTATE.
This has nothing to do with the EU. Scotland, Catalonia and even distant Kurdistan are fairly pro-EU.
all the best for catalonia on it's way to Independence!!!!! with love from Germany! shamefull how europe Looks aside!
stop payng taxes to madrid..and u will be indipendent in no time
You've removed a piece of the video in which officers are taking people out by their hair, in that missing piece you'll be able to see a police officer jumping down from the stairs to hit a woman with his foot
We are proud of our people who defended our right to vote for the independence of Catalonia under very repressive attacks from the Spanish policemen ordered by the Spanish government. We have a majority in the Catalan parliament and we will be a now country: the Catalan Republic. For our ancestors and for us, for our future.
Let me remember what most fathers teach their children: your rights finishes where the rights of the rest start. This referendum was not defending your right but attacking the right of the whole Spanish people, as the constitution stands on its 1st article, 2nd point:
"National sovereignty is vested in the Spanish people, from
whom emanate the powers of the State."
Madrid sees your John Deer and raises you Abrams M1A2
Stupid move by Madrid; this recalls the days of Franco. If anything, this will make Catalonia declare independence straight away, referendum or not. And they would be right to do so. Disgraceful behaviour.
i would prefer the referendum, but you are right if there is obstruction of democratic rights by a agressor with a monopoly on violence... well i say stab does tires of those "military-police cars".
philzambo Marko Brekic sfumato1002 I will explain the whole situation, i don't know why I'm wasting time here... JUST because everyone it's against Spain, my fucking COUNTRY and they don't know the truth.
Lets start, back in the time, puyol used to be a corrupt Catalan politician, this people implanted changes in the Catalan educational system, they fomented the hate to the Spanish state inventing fake things. And the central government did nothing.
Now that young people have grown with that fake ideology, plus the independentists won the elections, they set up a ILEGAL referendum a few years ago but this failed, now they did another ilegal referendum against the law and constitution. The government said that would send police, because the Spanish constitution says it, art 1 and art 2.
The problem is that rajoy, the president of the government never wanted to talk about it, a big error, and he just executed what the law said. Puigdemont (catalan president) didn't Paid attention for what the central government said and did the ILEGAL REFERENDUM this's the real situation.
What the Spanish government probably do is execute the art.115 of the constitution, that would change the actual government of cataluña for another. If they do that everyone will go crazy. Not a good idea what is what constitution say.
Or what they can do now it's just talk and reach an agreement that would be the smartest.
philzambo yeah disgraceful, as it is was illegal and they didnt respond to police comands plus some people started to through rocks, the police had all the right to use force.
Not disgraceful at all. The police was protecting Spain against radical separatists. Millions of Catalonians stayed home. The referendum was illegal, going against the constitution and democracy. Only the radical separatist where out in the streets voting yes to destroy Spain. The problem is people like you and others who have gone mad and think liberty and democracy include ruining a country. the police where actually very patient, receiving insults and dealing with radical extremist regime created by Puigdemont and the corrupted Catalan government using children as shields in schools and brain washing the young with radical terrorist behaviour. Rajoy is doing a good job, now all we need is to put Puigdemont behind bars and all his corrupted government, this shall never happen again.
I agree.
if Madrid ignored the process it would be a detail of history.
instead the overreaction will lead to independence.
it only takes one death, one martyr, and it will be sealed.
the greatest weapon Catalonia has its refusal.
refusal to submit to Madrid.
and it is about to refuse.
Rajoy was not smart at all. Why do this?
I am Vietnamese and I totally support the oppressed peoples of Catalonia, Galacia and Basque. Independence for Catalonia now!
Please support a Free Vietnam from communist oppression. Thank you.
I have to congratulate Rugman on actually acknowledging two important points - that the Referendum was ruled inadmissible by the court and that before this drama only 41% of Catalans polled were interested in independence from Spain. Whatever other mistakes have been made - chiefly the excessive use of force by the police - this at least is a pleasant surprise - especially coming from C4 news. Kudos to Rugman.
If only 41 % wanted independence, spain would simply let them vote. The polls are bullshit, and that's why they're using force.
"Especially from C4 news"
C4 news is probably one of the last non-biased, journalistic news programs left.
If you believe that, then you are unlikely to believe me when I tell you this, but in fact it is *not* - and this is not even just the opinion if some internet dude, but Jon Snow.
Snow is on record as saying that C4 news not only does but should have a bias - and that anyone who doesn't like it can watch Sky.
I'm not kidding.
The polls might well be bullshit, but it was the courts and not the government in Madrid that ruled the Referendum illegal.
The brutality shown by some of the police is absolutely egregious and should rightly be condemned - but it shouldn't be forgotten that what the Catalans are doing is bordering on sedition.
RedT why let them vote if in our Constitution a territory cannot decide about itself without the participation of all citizens? Unless you were a past colony of conquered by military force
It is hard for me to understand the reasons for Catalan independence from Spain. For me Spain and Catalan are one state, but seeing this I cannot support Spanish government. If the referendum is illegal, the result has no effect, and so it is a fooly doing something like this.
Rostislav Adam It doesn't have any effect accotding to Spanish law, but there are other laws to take into account, such as intetnational law
Neither catalunia nor eu are artificial constructs.Austria is not an artificial state and so on.As long as ppl believe in those "constructs" its their own right.International law is above a state"s constitutional law.As for seperatist movements,catalans are affiliated to the center-left with a republican and antimonarchist history.
6:17 look at the rubber bullet rolling on the floor... as big as a tennis ball. This is just sick!
Chris Keller You're right, the police should have used grenades on those Marxist antifa scum.
Okay but the pressure is the force/superficie so if the ball is bigger, It is better
those matches between real and barca are gonna be extra heated
Nooooo why are they dividing the country .... please
How come Channel 4 is not beating the liberal interventionist war drums, and calling for no fly zones, to protect Catalans from the Spanish Police brutality?
Andres de Villanueva , I want Spain to remain united too, but I was alluding to Channel 4's past support for regime change military intervention, in Libya and Syria in the pretext of state brutally against peoples democratic will. The majority of Libyan or Syrian people do not want to live under the Islamic fundamentalism that was dressed up as pro democracy uprising by networks like Channel 4 too.
Catalonia executed very petitions to government Madrid and only received negations. But this violence to person's in the street when executed the liberty of expression it's not morality it's not acceptably. And the European Comission close the eye's. Incredible!! I'm so hungry for this society. And the day after referendum the president Spain said for the good work the policy. Oh!
Catalonia is Spain! VIVA ESPAÑA 🇪🇸
Respect and admiration for Catalunyians. You will get Freedom dont compromise it. As an Indian Im always fascinated by your rich culture and heritage and your will to fight. Would definitely like to settle at Barcelona
Divide them and you shall conquer them. I wonder who are behind the of Separation. We are all puppets I’m just a puppet that can see the strings.
Welcome to the 1930s
can someone tell me what they are chanting in catalan.. something "nosatras"?
Nhia 96 About how much they like black cock....probably.
Our family recognizes Catalan’s Independence. Don’t listen to Trump. Our family supports CATALUNYA!!!!!
skydreamer76 lol hillary lost.
I'm surprised at this video, as it seems the journalists have only been able to capture part of the information. I'm half Spanish with both Catalonian and Basque descendents. I have had many Catalonian friends over the years. What should have happened was a proper legal referendum with proper legal guarantees. As this did not happen then millions of Catalonians who are proud to be both Catalan and Spanish (unionists), including my friends, did not even try to go to the voting. So that result was already "skewed", nobody from the other side was voting. The anti-system radical party CUP also has an anarchist contingent and there have been many scenes of them threatening peace abinding citizens. Also, in the days running up to the illegal vote, the Independents would not even let any of the opposition speak, including the political party "Ciuadadanos" who is fighing for the Catalan people that want to remain as Spaniards too. And trying to indoctrinate children in schools and colleges is nothing new at all in Catalonia. It has been going on for decades, not just distorting history, but teaching the kids directly or indirectly to hate the Spanish. The pictures of some of the police brutality are obviously shocking, however everybody should start to also look at other videos and pictures which did not get such immediate media attention., the Catalonias marching in streets with Spanish flags, parts of cities where Catalans were supporting Spain, hugs between local Catalan police and the Spain national police, etc. Not to mention many many fake photos. The small boy with a head gash was from 2012 from a local police "Mossos" engagement, or the old lady that looked like she was beaten by the police, but in fact had fallen down the stairs. Thank god these other pictures and videos are starting to circulate.
¡España es tu Nación!
Long live the independent Catalonia !
A French brother.
Peter griffin became a journalist?
From a manc who has lived here for over 11 years. and I guess you heard his views his hopes ) could do if asked in any press conference or was asked by a fan etc. ( So in parts I have say what I believe from “ what I see “ (as is) Cataluña has been wanting indepdence of Spain for a very long time. However, Spain feels it’s a part of Spain Cataluña situation is not the same as Scotland, when it lost its right as a sovereign state back in the 1700´s it was a part of an empire, whereas it had parts of Spain today. In order to resolve the independence question it’s a question that needs to be asked for the whole of Spain , and at present with the current government this will not be given. ( As is) You would have seen some horrible images from Sunday pctpn, this was always going to happen, always. Its felt both the police and the victims of the police where set up. For this the police in Spain are seen as heroes and scum of the earth here. The local leadership of Cataluña ( carles Puigemont) needs to also held accountable for this. ( AS is ) The election they held was illegal this election was for them to declare independence, they still went ahead with it and up until now they state they will declare independence as a result of the next few days. Spain will not accept this under any “ circumstances”, a lot of people in this region of Spain consider themselves as Spanish , in this election there was no debate for “a no vote” only yes. In the independence argument you will only hear the voice of the people that want to leave most of the time. The Spanish king has told catalyuna its election was illegal his word is basically final on the mater. We face a potential war in Spain over this. In the next few days. ( AS is ) Catalyuna will scream they want to practice democracy , however one cannot talk about this in public without looking over their back this is not democratic. One is told these days to fuck off to Madrid if you even say take a moment .
Spain will stay united and resist Catalonia Rebel. Viva la Spain. Ps, great reporting and good journalism.
They were pleading for a baton charge, it was part of their strategy. Even though they knew the referendum had been declared illegal by the Constitutional Court they occupied polling stations and tried to avoid the police seizing ballot boxes. Whining and moaning in the aftermath of the referendum to get the support of international media is their only chance.
If a mass of people try to stop the police when complying with an order of the Courts then, riot police do their job to enforce the law. As much as four people needed to stay at the hospital, only two of them were seriously injured and remain there. Of the latter, one is a 74 year-old man who suffered a heart attack and was rushed to the hospital by police forces (he must be better now because if he had died the phony moaners would be crying 'He has been murdered in cold blood by the francoist police, help us before it's too late!, booo-hooo!' and things of the sort).
Remember Catalonia is a 7.5M people region and only 2M voted in favor of independence.
Juan Pablo Fedez. 7 millions VOTED IN FAVOR SO GO FUCK YERSELF YER LITTLE MADRID FUCKHOLE.
I'm hispanic so we know about the difficulties of leaving Spain, I honestly stand with Catalan, they have done nothing wrong, Spain just doesn't want to let it go because barçelona makes the money in Spain.
If illegal Kosovo independence wasn't declared back in 2008 nothing of this would have happened. Neither Catalonia, neither Crimea. Madrid should send thank you letter to Washington for another crisis that has been made in Europe
FreeCatalonia
Not really seen any good Spanish points against the independence.
Franco Government in Spain.
skydreamer76 Not since 1975. But that would be sweet.
Ignorance is very risky. I don't know if you know about Spanish history but Franco staged a coup against the republicans that were governing at the time. Those republicans imprisioned the Catalonian pro-independence people. This is not a matter of monarchy against republic or Franco against Catalonian. Franco died a long time ago (luckily), and if he hadn't, he would have probably shot this people by now. So do not compare please. This is an illegal act and as in any other ilegal act everywhere in the world, police is sent to stop it and everyone knows what that implies, unless you think police is sent to give you hugs while you participate in something illegal.
I do not want to take sides, because I like and understand both sides. But I would like to draw the attention of the Catalons to their independence. It would cause/mean the exclusion from the European Union. If you want that and would be really good for you and your country: Fine, go ahead, do it! If not, please think twice, yes? ---> And the Spanish might consider before the next election day comes along: Whether Rajoy at the latest really shows up as a wise leader, or unfortunately absolutely not. I am not talking about the police brutality at this point deliberately, so as to remain as factual as possible ;-)
Sophie Scholl Fan Die Weisse Rose we want to break away from monarchy and the EU. There are many countries outside the EU that are doing fine. EU is just a wannabe that says that protects their citizens but in fact they only want to maintain their statu quo and money. So fuck them. We can even join EFTA.
To ALL my International friends:
As written by a senior international finance executive based in Barcelona:
“This weekend I realised that some of my international Friends are confused by what’s happening in Spain with Catalonia. I hope this helps:
- Spain is a western democracy and its Catalan citizens vote frequently. In fact, between European, national, regional and municipal elections web have voted 6 times in the last five years.
- In the last regional election, pro-secession parties decided to unite around a single issue -independence- ant not only failed to win a majority of the vote, but also lost votes relative to the prior election. Polls, even those paid by the separatists, show support for independence is a minority and in decline.
- Catalonia is not “oppressed”. It is one of the most prosperous regions in Spain and its citizens enjoy a high standard of living and one of the highest degrees of self-rule of any region in Europe.
- The party that traditionally ran the regional government of Catalonia has, for the last 30 years, used public money to promote a separatist agenda through education and local media and has illegally funded itself with a corrupt scheme where contractors had to pay bribes of at least 3% of any public work.
- The region of Catalonia has never existed as an independent political entity and was part or the Kingdom of Aragon, which merged dynastically with the Kingdom of Castille in 1492 to create the Spain we know today. There is no “union”, as in the UK. Catalonia is to Spain what Rousillon is to France or Cornwall to England.
- Spain is parliamentary democracy, with a constitution that can be amended. A vote on territorial secession would require such amendment and the support of a qualified majority of Spaniards.
- Not a single country or international organisation, with the exception of Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela, has supported this movement.
So why the fuss? As the economy improves and support for independence wanes, the separatists are afraid of “missing the train” and, breaking Spanish and regional laws, have embarked on a campaign to present the central government as “evil” for not allowing a regional referendum which does not comply with the constitution (overwhelmingly approved throughout Spain, including Catalonia). This noise also conveniently masks regional corruption scandals and sets up separatists as victims for the next regional election.”
VAS a hacer mucho ruido, te duele que hayais quedado en evidencia delante de todo el mundo, no? hahahahahahaha
EU/UE -- It's about UNITY--They're uniting Europe, North America, East Asia: EU/UE, North American Union, Asian Union.
What happens, and what may have happened here, historically, is countries like Britain enter the EU, wanting an option out; just like Scotland and England and Wales united into Great Britain. It happened here in the USA, in the South--we entered into the country, the country changed and denied the freedom to secede--which the Southerners were originally told they had--and war.
Aquarian Christianity. stupid fuck, we are one nation under Gott always was and always will be.
Lets explain it, I will try to be as short as possible,
This referendum is illegal because although Spain has a King, but its power is only representative and the sovereignty belongs to the whole Spanish population, as opposed to other countries like UK or Canada where belongs to their Queen. This means that while in other coutries a seccesion referendum voted only by the citicens of the region could be allowed easily by the government, in Spain the right to vote the seccesion belongs to totality of the population. To grant that right to any region it would have to be first approached by the totality somehow. Would the totality of the population allow Catalans to vote for themselves? IMHO it depends on the moment and circustances but there have been several moments they have been ready. Where relays the problem then? The largest political parties are more or less conservative and they think would be showing weakness to their voters asking this point to the population or including it in their programs, and this lead us to the next point.
Catalonia is one of the most politically liberal regions of Spain and without it conservatives would completly dominate politics. And perhaps that it explains why this spanish goverment ruled by conservatives did raise to the tribunals a demand against the law into the last catalonian statute who tried establise rules for a referendum (tribunals void that law from the statute) but never established a rule that could represent an alternative for the demands of many catalonian citicens. It also explains why they sent policemen to repress the referendum when anyone would anticipate the climate it would cause. It also explains why they are just allowed to act during the voting day and not one week before letting them prevent politely the polling stations from being occupied, and forcing them to try to empty them by the means of force.
On the catalonian side political parties that are claiming for intependence would get more space for themselves out of spain, as after ,in an independent catalonia, those parties who are backing to stay in spain wouldn´t seem to have place.
It is a shame to see how people who share so much are being radicaliced on both sides by their leaders who only seek their own benefit.
mctellop. bla bla bla, go fuck yourself yer little madrid fuckhole. VIVA CATALONIA!
Europe should abolish the veto against the membership of a new country.
That way we might welcome Catalonia, Scotland or any other province in the case it separates from the larger state.
Taxtro Then watch Europe fragment into a thousand tiny little pieces and Russia die laughing. Great plan. *facepalm*
And if the minority in Catalonia get their independence, what of those who disagree? How will the Catalan 'government' enforce its rule without a democratic mandate?
Ive been watching this coverage most of today. I'm deeply saddened, I do not agree with what Catalans have done as its an illegal referendum therefore its become a protest rally but I'm disgusted in the way the authorities are treating their own citizens! Young and old male and female. I know the governing party PP are a dilution of Franco but that regime ended on his death. The New Spaniards are reverting back to the old ways of divide and rule and it's a dangerous situation developing before our eyes
jan barrett I understand your point, but you have to know that the catalans who want independence are the first interested on a legal referendum. Catalans (those who want the independents and those who dont want) are asking for a negotiation for years. People's party don't want to allow a legal referendum, there's no way of negotiation... We are paying our politics for nothing. You have to know that most part of catalans want to vote, a lot of them want to vote NO. This is not just a matter of nationalism, democracy in Spain is fake, corruption bring us new cases every day and last Sunday a lot of catalans voted in protest. The government allowe police and militar police (guardia civil) to hit their own citizens. It is so sad.
It's simple really. You are either with the people or with the governments abiding to some backward rules that go against the people's happiness. Deep down it all comes to this on a global scale.
Freedom for Catalonia.
we need international support against Spanish brutality
thank you
Catalonian women are cuter than Spanish ones
its always about money
Freedom for Jordi Sànchez and Jordi Cuixart!!
Freedom for political prisoners!!
You have no idea and telling it only from one of the different points of view.
Catalonia republic ❤️ Espana 🤮🤮🤮
the Catalan referendum would have been like a party in which Barcelona played and the referee would have been the president of that club. already voted with guarantees the Catalan years before and the percentage of votes in favor of the independentistas groups was smaller. these groups want to vote until the result favors them when it will not vote for more. that will have then planned these groups that now skip the laws? germany 30's
Doesn't Spain as a whole owe a shitload of money ? Do Catalonia people except that there is a massive amount of money to pay back to the EU for the amazing road infrastructure for instance ? Their region has benefited from the EU...... do they just get independence and say thank you very much and the other regions of Spain can pay it back ? ...... just asking , that's all.
A DOWN FOR SPAIN AND THE KING. THIS IS NOT DEMOCRACY. YOU CANNOT FORCE PEOPLE TO WANT WHAT THEY DON'T WANT BY FORCE NO OTHER COUNTRY WILL ACCEPT MORE VIOLENCE LIKE WE HAVE SEEN .
It reminds me the referdum of Crimea.
There was no International observers.
There was no monitoring
Vahe Araqelyan why would Crimean's want to be part of Ukraine?
Vahe Araqelyan there were international observers lolwhat are you talking about?
There is a wider agenda here, self-determination does not fit with EU federalism.
You ment the spanish federalism
Both.
EU? You are fucking insane man. Other EU countries are admonishing the Spanish government, you moron. No matter how much you hate Europe, there should at least be SOME things too stupid for you to say.
First up, it may have escaped your attention but this is a public space, as such I don't need your permission or approval to post whatever the fuck I like.
Two, if you can't tolerate a view that does not confirm to your world view, perhaps its you that should not be on here? I suggest you either run back to your safe space or you go live in North Korea, you'll be happy there.
Three, questioning someone's sanity on the basis of a view you do not agree with, does not sound very rational to me. So when it comes to individual sanity I suggest this issue is best resolved by you taking a look in the nearest mirror.
Oh yeah, just for the record, the EU have stated many times that any separatist movements, (and there are many throughout Europe), who vote for independence including those who claim loyalty to the EU, will as a result of that vote render themselves outside of EU membership. So how the fuck you come to the conclusion this has nothing to do with federalism is beyond me.
Google shutting down app to show where polling station are ...can see who they work for easy enough
Spain is so alpha
Good by barcelona.
Good work Jonny
the violation will split the catalan
WHERE IN THE HOLY FUCK!!!! ARE ALL THE GUNS?!?
Freee Catalunyaaaaaaa........a.c.a.b ! Croatia Catalunya
Visca la Terra Lliure, Visca Catalunya !!!
This referendum shouldn’t have been illegal in the first place, let the people vote as it is there future, if they say the majority don’t want independence then what’s the problem in letting them have one ?
Because it's fucking illegal and they are defying the authority of their government.
Aldo TheBear
From what I understand (this isn't gospel) the current constitution is designed to clamp down on secessionist minded regions, making it impossible for them to "legally" secede.
There is also the fact that Madrid Spanish seem to view everyone as Spanish, while the Catalonians highlight the cultural differences between them and mainstream Spanish Culture.
Plus there is probably some money envy tied up in it as well.
@AldoTheBear It's against the constitution, the courts rejected it and the government have told the people not to vote on it. By going ahead with it they are essentially committing treason.
AugustusPugin surely they can’t expect a constitution from 1978 to still be relevant though, the world has changed in so many ways since then from a financial view and a human rights view, the clearly feel oppressed and should be given the right to vote on there own future, I’m from Scotland and we managed to get one and will keep getting them until we manage to break away, obviously the financial, political and cultural differences between Scotland and Catalan are there but oppressed people are oppressed people and the EU can’t stand back and watch one of there members attack people in a peaceful protest/referendum
Revan Tobias thanks for that reply Revan and I would have to agree with you from the money point of view, the Catalan area has around 3 million more than Scotland so it’s not like they would only lose peanuts if it was to be a successful breakaway
I hate the standpoint of this documentary, made clearly by the Brexit’s voters. They weren’t exercising their right to vote, they were participating in an illegal referendum that wasn’t even approved by a sufficient number of politicians in the Catalonian Parliament. In any illegal activity, police come to stop it from happening, not only in Spain but in any place in the world. They weren’t just standing there peacefully when the policemen hit them. They were pushing the policemen trying to commit an illegal act. I don’t think Catalonian people are that naïve so as to think that the police were coming to simply watch them while they vote and wish them good luck, they knew what was going to happen and in spite of that, they brought children to the referendum so they could play the victims. If Catalonia gets independence, they will be followed by many regions of Europe. Do you really think Spain is such a horrible place to live that they can’t stand there for one more minute?!?! I doubt that.
o kap mein kap such a clever response. Dont know what to say to such an outstanding argument LOL
viva mexico cabrones andliv new spain
This is so not the reality. I live in Spain and I'm not happy with the world wide media. First of all, that police brutality .. Not real, from those 200 - 300 injuries reported we have now found out that they have only been 3 real injuries, one of them a heart attack. Also they have used images to send to other countries wich are not from this incident but from other protest about other themes. The next thing you should know is that some people voted 4 times in different places, that I have seen people who are not censed in catalonia voting and the most important thing to know, their "referendum" does not apply any law. You also should know that there are videos of them bringing the ballot boxes already full with fake votes. You haven't seen the images of police officers being scream to their faces for hours. And about money.. a teacher in Catalonia gets pay almost double than in other region in Spain so ofcourse they have to pay more taxes, and this happens with any other job. Catalonia is a part of Spain it has never before been their own country so the decision belong to all the spanish citizens because we have built this project togeter because my taxes have also gone to cataluña to pay for their things and our comerce that has to pass to france or germany by train or truck. That is the truth of what is happening so please think about Spain and the pain that we are going through too. A poor farmer who makes his money selling his products to europe this year might be in bankruptcy, same as some wineriesor any other job that depends on selling to other countries. So please think about these people. To end I just want to articulate what makes me the saddest, that was seing how they used the terrorist attack to make politics and taking bad choices just to make the world think they're a nation.
Catalonia no es un pais como para votar por si mismo. Viva Espana
Vr Das Mi papa es Catalan y la verdad hombre esto es un fiasco. España esta jugando sucio
Visca Catalunya!
go Spain, you cannnot allow people steal your land.
Hhhhhhh....Catalan's flag partly is somalia's flag hhhh
ibra Axmed catalan flag was born on 9th century so I doubt it....
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I'm willing to fight for the unity of my country, Catalonia is only the first, a lot of comunities will follow, kind of domino effect, Basque Country will be the second. Only a new Civil War will fix this because out democracy has been too soft.
newhuskytwenty that is silly, the eu wants this, they are at the apex and most likely to benefit, only solution is get rid of EU.
Good! I hope Galacia, Basque and other regions will copy Catalonia to be free from Spain.
This news is biased. Viva España, Viva el Rey, Viva la Guardia Civil, Viva la Policia Nacional y Viva Cataluña 🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸
I like the tractors 😂😂😂😂
If the Scots jump off a bridge, would Catalans do same'?
Long live Spain.
this reporter needs to learn referendums is very importend for democratie..... if he don't like it he needs to go live in North Korea or some country like that....!!!