Catalonia independence from Spain explained in 4 minutes (Catalonia referendum 2017)
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READ THIS!! Misstated "Catalan Kingdom of Aragon"
New updated version of the video, updated drawings & narration ( I am not sick anymore! )
Fixed a couple misstatements and unclear statements pointed out to me in the comments :)
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Did you said in the 0:42 Catalogne KIngdom of Aragon?
Many lies in this video mixed with truth. It's not the actual history. Please consult official documentation. Pro-independence in Cataluña are spreading a false history to obtain support from Europe. Don't believe this shit!
you should delete this false video and just leave the new one
I DIDNT REALISE PORTUGAL HAD A OLD MANS FACE AS A COUNTRY
I thought that was Australia!
I can see a old man face with an weed Africa hairstyle. lol
Mr Portugal is a old man with a Afro hairstyle coloured in weed spray. lol
Mr Portugal have a Afro hairstyle coloured in weed spray lol
+Rafael TV Italy is what? Nigeria is feminine..
I just noticed that Portugal is shaped like human face looking to left while Spain like his hair :D
haha, it does. Good description
Thanks fuck you\
And if you look to the right is the face of Elvis The King, with Valencia as his nose ans Catalunya as his toupee xDDD
Haha yeah. Us Iberians think about it all the time.
Yo bro it actually does
I am from Spain, I know my country´s histoyry, and few important things that are told in this video are not true. I will list some.
1- Castilla y Leon didnt exist as a kingdom. Castilla and Leon were 2 different kingdoms that once united took the name of the first one, even if people from Leon dont like the fact. Castilla y Leon is the new name of a big region (comunidad) in the northern half part of Spain.
2- Aragon was not a Catalan kingdom. Catalonia was a very important piece of Aragon at that time. The duke of Catalonia got married with an Aragon princess, thus, becoming the king of Aragon. The king was catalan, right, but the nature of the kingdom, with 500 years of hisory at that time didn´t change at all. Their son and succesor was Fernando of Aragon, and this guy was born, like most kings of Aragon, in Zaragoza , Aragon´s capital, which is completely out of Catalonia.Think that even different language (fabla) was been talked in Zaragoza; different than catalan or castellano, and remained like this for many many years.
4-This is not false, but it would be nice if you explain that, in Spain, the money produced by every single region is redistributed to try to equalize the economy of all these regions. The region with the higuest deficit (paid taxes - incomes) is Madrid, followed by Catalonia and Vaskland. In Catalonia taxes are the same, but less money is sent back, in benefit of poorer regions. So the rest of Spain do not benifit from this, only few regions.
4: Same crap as in whole Europa as well as in my country Germany. I never understood why countries, states or cities that are managed well and therefore have a good economy should be punished by receiving less money.
Instead of forcing the less productive parts to advance their management, they are encouraged to keep their bad management because they are going to get subventions.
But I suppose I am quite alone in Europe with finding these socialist concepts wrong.
But I am not surprised about this conflict.
kieran carpenter Mexico, Netherlands....and Hispaniola, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Philippines, Colombia, Venezuela, Perú, chile, Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Honduras, Florida, etc etc etc
Good history 👌
Hee............... en el punto 4 te has jartado un poquito, el corralito vasco eso no lo mencionas no? lo de que cotizan más por el hecho de nacer ahi, eso no verdad? Y si hablas de financiación y de regiones que ponen mucho más de lo que reciben podrias hablar de Valencia que tenemos los presupuesto más ridiculos de España.
Marcos Torroba, Good explanation, thanks for that. The video always talk about “Catalans“ and not “independents catalans” , people must know that lees than the half of catalans are supporting the Independence movement and its because of that is a big conflict. The minority (the independents) are forcing the situation
Hello, as a Catalan I must say the information given here it is not accurate at all. Firstly, there was no Catalan kingdom but only Aragon; Catalonia was a region of the Crown of Aragon and had its own local aristocracy and law. Secondly, Aragon was not conquered but "aqcuired" by Castilla as a result of aristocracy business. I'm sad to admit that Catalonia has no historical reasons to split for Spain. Please review your sources.
Their might not be historical reasons. There are cultural ones today though. The Carolinians are a different culture than the Spanish. They can only survive as a unified whole. If the people gets replaced as per the EU plan by welfare migrants you will lose all these advantages and you province will turn into one of the "shithole" countries. I wish you good luck, however. Even though we may disagree.
@Jim Morrison
Sorry, Barcelona fight was for an spanish king, and the enemy was another spanish king. Sucession war or civil war (european war??)... not spain vs catalonia...
It was not labelled as Catalan .. Look at the screen its Aragon...
@@imgonewiththewindfab the only autonomous community that has rights for independence is the Basque country tbh
@@DerAua Laughably poor excuse. Every country has a variety of culture and dialect/language variety. Spain has as many distinct regions, cultures, language differences as much larger countries in a smaller space. To think of Spain as uniform outside of Catalunya is a mistake. From Galicia to Andalusia is very different. (This video misses that some regions are still sore that Franco repressed variety in favor of uniformity. The generations that experienced this are dead or dying so you could almost say it's second hand feelings.) Perpetuating stereotypes and propaganda is not helpful. Catalunya is not anymore "hardworking" than the rest of Spain. It benefits from geographic and economical advantages. Much like states where city centres produce more economic opportunities and therefore more taxes, which are then disturbed where needed most like in more rural areas to boast education, public works, jobs, ect. This is how you create a strong country where everyone has equal opportunities, less draining of parts of the country to flood urban centres, and how not to create basically a peasant class.
Most people don't believe me when i say Portugal is a must older country than Spain. People just assume that became his own state, like Catalonia is trying to do. In truth Portugal was already a country when the rest of the Iberia Peninsula was divided in several kingdoms. Portugal as a country dates back to 1143. Spain only became a country in 1516.
I believe you.
Like it said, the Iberian peninsula was divided in several different kingdoms each one with their own king, flag, army and language, Portugal being one of them, like Leon. Spain didn't existed until 1516. This doesn't has to upset you. It's just history.
The "Visigoth Kingdom", also included the southwestern of France and that has nothing to do with current Spain. And if we are going that far, Lusitania, the territory of what Portugal is today, was also a kingdom that existed, and that pre-dates the Romans. So, even that makes it older.
But i'm not going all that back. Portugal as a country dates back to 1143. Spain only became a country in 1516. Period.
Just because the word "España" - invented in 1516 - was inspired by what the romans called the iberian peninsula (Hispania) it doesn't erase the fact that the Iberia Peninsula was divided in several kingdoms, with different monarchs, during the first period of the middle ages, and that Spain didn't existed then.
If the European Union were to suddenly became a single country called Europe, that wouldn't change the fact that, before, Europe was divided in several different countries.
LjFJDhs - And Lusitania didn't include 90% of that is current Spain territory!!!!, but apparently, according to you, it doesn't matter that the Visigoth Kingdom had parts that are now France, but it matter that Lusitania had part that are now Spain... Where is the consistency in that?!
The "concept" term you are trying to input is ridiculous. The Visigoth kingdom disappeared during the moorish settlement in the peninsula and that lasted seven centuries (Well, for Portugal is was only four centuries less since we kicked them out way faster). It seams you are trying to erase parts of history just to created this idea that Spain, as a country, has existed since 500's and that's not true at all! Spain only became a country on 1516. Before that, the Iberia Peninsula was divided in several kingdoms - including the moorish. Period.
And it's obvious that you care about this, but it doesn't has to upset you. Like i said before: It's just history!
LjFJDhs - Dude, "Hispania" was the roman name for ALL of the Iberian Peninsula, not the name for what it is Spain currently. And just because the current word "España" was borrowed from that term, that doesn't erase thousand of history of several kingdoms, including the moorish. If Portugal was named Lusitania, borrowing the word that was used for this part of the peninsula - even before and during the romans - it wouldn't still be able to say that the country dates back to 100 BC. No, because our first king only funded what is currently our country in 1143. That's it. And Spain was only funded on 1516. You will find this information on any history book.
I don't know if you have ever been to spain but the idea that the spanish government will let any part of the realm secede without a fight is frankly laughable
SPAIN IS IN THE EU,SUCH PARTING WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED BY THE EUROPEAN UNION ,ITS STUPID ,WHOEVER STARTED THIS IDEA
@@dragonfly1929 Or he just state his opinion, based on current facts that is happening in Spanish politics
It's because Spain isn't a fully united country and there's lots of regions which aren't Spanish so if they set a president then Spain would risk disintegration.
But arguably catalonia should be let go same as the basque region.
ART DECO Eu Is shit
They still haven't even accepted Gibraltar.
Hi - you are using the wrong flag for Catalonia. The flag with the blue triangle and the star is not an officially recognized flag. The official flag of Catalonia is simply the red and yellow bars, no blue triangle.
He is talking about independence so...
As an independentist myself... You have a good point there.
No, flag with red and yellow bars is the flag of Aragon.
Roger RoRo it's a similar flag
Manuel Renedo G It is so similar because Catalonia take it from Aragon, but it always has been the flag of Aragon
I know this is an old video, but "León" the Spanish region and "león" the word for "lion" actually have different origins. the region of León takes its name from Llion, which itself takes its name from the Latin "Legion," as it was a the base for the Roman Legion VII. later on they took the lion on as a symbol out of coincidence.
lol :D funny
Cool “Llion” is a common welsh name
Lies again? Changing Airport USD SGD
Technically Spain and Portugal were still separate countries during those 60 years... they happened to share the same king (Filipe 1 and Filipe II) but not the same Courts or borders. It was due to Filipe II not respecting what his father Filipe I had promised the Portuguese when he succeeded the throne (Portuguese running the Portuguese Court and being different nations with different languages) that Filipe II's reign in Portugal ended in a coup. He tried to conquer Portugal with the help of the French but Portugal defeated him with the help of English. The map should show different borders during those 60 years.
Madeiran Marvel Actually France helped us in the Restauration War...
And the Dutch supported the Portuguese as wel, they tought me at school. For their own strategic and trade interests, of course.
Maybe in Europe, because in overseas dutch and portuguese were bitter ennemies, specially in Brasil and the african territories of modern Angola. France and Spain were at war until 1659.
Yes, those drunken Brits .... I owe them my nationality, I feel the shame. :)
Madeiran Marvel also Filipe III :)
I mean, our Filipe I was their Filipe II and so on. There were three consecutive kings named Filipe in our (Portuguese) history and four in their (Spanish) history... :)
"Castilla" does not mean "castle".... that would be "Castillo". It just translates as Castille.
"Castilla" (Castile) means land of castles.
@@theangel3232 castilla is castilla
@@theangel3232 No
Castilla is the feminine form of Castle.
@@HBKnowItAll Castilla no significa nada físico en castellano contemporáneo, habría que preguntarle a un linguista de Castellano Antigüo
Catalan Kingdom of Aragon??? No, it was aragonenses kingdom of Aragon, Catalonia it was just a part of Aragón
I think you might have some kind of confusion. The king of the crown was Catalan. The Royal Court was in Barcelona. The people of the original kingdom of Aragon were the servants of the lineage of catalan "comtes". The conquered lands of Valence and Balearic Islands spoke Catalan because of that.
Daniel Amoros the daughter of the princess of Aragon married with a count of Catalonia, ever exist a royal Catalan family
javierperez Perez it was a royal catalan family as it was catalan, it spoke catalan and it lived in barcelona, they had catalan names, what they conquered spoke catalan, so yeah, pretty catalan to me. Following the same reasoning the spanish king is french.
Nothing to learn here. Nothing of what you said means anything. Spanish royal family is originally French. The king at one time he was French. Not anymore. Now he is Spanish. With the Catalan the thing is even better. Aragon had no king, and they married their princess with the catalan ruler. Peronela d'Aragon married Ramon Berenguer who became king and the cohort stayed at Barcelona. With all 100% catalan lineage. Learn history.
man there's no need to be offended. I don't make up things, this stuff is in books FROM BACK THEN and they have always been known. It's easy to find the references for that. I mean, I don't know where the problem is. I know spanish people has been told that catalans make up history to say that there once was a "catalan country". It didn't exist, and i don't think anyone believes it or thinks it is important. But credit where credit is due. The kings, after the union, were catalan. And catalans were the rulers. Period.
"Leon" in this case, isn't from the Latin for lion. It's from the vulgate for Legion. Specifically, the Seventh Legion based at Leon.
In Portugal we say Kingdom of LEÃO (Lion) e Castela. We don't say Legião (legion) e Castela
@@Jessica-tr4ir It's all part of the evolution of language. Close to me here in Wales, is an old legionary base that's called Caerleon. The first part is the Welsh contraction of 'Castra'. The second part is what so many ex-legionary bases ended up being called.
The Romans have a long hold over us.
This reminds me so much of Yugoslavia, it is Scarry, because we all know how that ended. Madrid is worried with good reason, because after Catalonia it could be the Basque country etc. I am not saying they should not have independents, it's Just, once the domino falls, it's hard to stop. All the best to every one in Spain.
Well not really like Jugoslavia. We all joined Jugoslavia by our own choice and left it by our own choice and serbs tried to stop us from doing it. The only comparison this has to EX YU is Separatists on Kosovo rebelling vs Serbia.
this is not even close to the yugoslavia war-reasons back in the days.
Marcy D'Arcy Unfortunately yes.. There is several local nationalistic groups within EU. Corsica, Scotland, Flemish & what have we.. A united & stable Europe is better than several spoiled ideological hotheads running there exclusive agenda.
Look at this nonsense going on in Catalunya, there is nothing serious to complain about exept romantic feelings. Which serious discrimination are they suffering from?
Negotiations & acceptance could solve the situation. Instead ideology blew the fire
Michael Aleksovski Don't worry, this is not like Yugoslavia at all, the rest of Spaniards don't want any war, this is just a fight between Spanish government and Catalonian government.
Kat Wilson yeah Slovenia is nice
Yes, the entire peninsula was unified. Yes, the king of Spain was also the king of Portugal at that time. Yes, the usage of that flag on the entire peninsula is offensive. The peninsula was never called Spain in its entirety and Portugal always remained entirely independent, at least de jure. The union was called Iberian Union, not Spain. Portuguese people were never Spanish at any time. Our small country was always invictus facing its greater neighbor and the union was only possible through marriage. Get your facts right and accept my sincere greetings from Portugal.
João Duarte
I hope you accept my sincere apologies, I very much lazily covered the period of Iberian union in this video.
I meant no offense, was merely trying to finished the video quickly and did not want to delve into Battle of Alcântara and Portuguese politics too much- the red and yellow was just a lazy artistic choice while drawing.
On a separate note you look like you could be my father's identical twin when he was younger (he is 1/4 Portuguese, rest Basque, Spanish), you look like my younger brother too.
I think my people came from near Ansião Portugal. Thank you for the kind correction.
I made a newer version of the video today were I removed that part
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Thank you for your comment
+João Duarte +Epimetheus
Sorry, but that's not true. In fact, in that period of time, the idea of Spain was the Iberian Peninsula as a whole (although you're right about the flag, because at that time that flag didn't exist). That idea came from the Romans, from Hispania, and that idea perdured during the Middle Ages. The fact is, when Isabel and Fernando married, they didn't claim to be the Kings of Spain, because not all Spain was under their rule. It wasn't until Felipe II inherited Portugal when those kings really became Kings of Spain. Of course, it was only nominally, Portugal preserved all of its laws, as well as Aragon and Navarre did (sistema polisinodial in Spanish). The only thing in common between a Castillian, a Portuguese and an Aragonese was the King, nothing else.
So, your vision it's too chauvinistic and not entirely accurate. Portugal remained semi-independent because it was a dinastic union, nothing else. The same applied to Aragon and Navarre as well. Of course, after the Bourbons came that really meant the new idea of Spain being without Portugal, now two different countries. But, in origin, Portugal, Leon, Castille, Navarre, Aragon and the muslim kingdoms, all the Iberian Peninsula, was Spain. The name "Iberian Union" was invented in the 19th century, when the Spanish politicians thought about giving the crown to Fernando de Coburgo, a Portuguese, and forming an Iberian Union, becase at that time, Portugal was no longer part of the idea of Spain.
Meatieso García that idea (that Spain was a name that referred to the whole peninsula) was in the minds of whom? Did they have a say on what was correct? No portuguese ever accepted that and as such, even if the entire world saw it as right it wouldn't make it right... Just like there is no country today called Holland. So although you might be right (in that the idea existed), it does not make me wrong (in that Portugal was never Spain). I'm not being chauvinistic or proud or etnocentric, I'm just being right: the name never represented us, de jure and (at least for us) de facto...
Epimetheus Although someone might take offense, surprisingly I didn't, even though I spoke loudly about it. I believe that nationality and patriotism have a place in my heart that is much smaller than the place I have for compassion, friendship and empathy! No nation or patriot value is higher than the value of anybody's life. Having said that, I'm actually very happy you are so excited about history and you are the kind of person who makes an effort to correct what's wrong. People like you make the world better a bit at a time. People like me just help or try to help people like you... :)
+João Duarte
You're not being right, my friend, because you're viewing it from an anachronistic perspective. There were no national identities in the past. You see it as the history of the Porutguese people, a modern national identity. The people who lived in Portugal hundreds of years ago didn't consider themselves as a different nation because that mentality didn't exist at that time. There no nations, but kingdoms, and this is an important distinction. In the same way, there was no Spanish national identity in the Ancient Regime. Both states started their independent paths from the 16th century, and that's when people started to consider Spain and Portugal as different countries, as we see now. But the nationalism, those identities, were born in the 19th century as a result of Romanticism and as a rejection from the Napoleonic Empire. In the Middle Age Portugal was consider a part of Spain, like the whole Iberian Peninsula, and that idea was shared by everyone. After the 16th century, that idea started to change, but those changes aren't sudden, it needs time. That idea of Spain being the whole peninsula was defied during the 17th century, and we can be sure when the Bourbons arrived in the 18th century Spain and Portugal were two different kingdoms. That's the key, Spain wasn't a political entity, but rather a mythological past from the Romans and the Visigoths, a region, and not a political entity, a kingdom. The kingdoms were those I mentioned before. The idea of Spain being the whole territory was fractured after the Muslim invasion, and the whole mythos of the Reconquista was to unified Spain again. Don't forget Portugal was once a dukedom part of the Kingdom of Leon, as well as Castille.
I'm not saying that now Portugal is part of Spain. What I'm trying to say is we cannot apply the same values and mentalities from the present to the past. All nationalistic tales start the same way, an independent people who want their freedom and independence back. Always the same tale. And are always just that: tales, not the truth. We have here the same crap about Spain existing 3.000 years ago as an independent country, culturally unified and with the seeds of modern Spain even before the arrival of the Romans. That's totally bullshit, it is the construction of the past from the present.
I do not want to bore you, or trying to impose my from of nationalism onto yours, or try to ofend you. No. I'm trying to show how your view of the roots of your country actually are shaped 200 years ago, and how we cannot compare how we see things today to how those things were seen in the past just because we live in the same place, and how the past is constructed from the present, and the present from the past, like Marc Bloch said. Braveheart has done A TON of damage. You can read, for example, the Laudes Hispaniae to see what I mean for Spain being the whole peninsula, or Apologie pour l'histoire, to see what I mean about the past and the present. Or try to see other examples of modern construction of national identities, like the Scotish case and the invention of the kilt.
The independence of Catalonia explained in 5 seconds: "we are richer than the rest of the country"
Básicamente
+hoselui richer because wiser. Wiser because.... look at how behave majorities in Europe and why.
@@lluisbofarullros3223 els jueus van ser uns pàries fins que van crear el seu propi estat a base d'ous cosa que us falta als catalans básicament
And my friend, you are wrong at one thing: "The entire Iberian Peninsula was unified" 1:47, that's kinda wrong due to the fact that Portugal, wasn't really, really, really unified with the kingdom of Spain because the kind Fernando I (II in Spain) told the Portuguese Cortes that we were indeed the King of Portugal, but he let the portuguese people still talk Portuguese, assemble the Cortes wenever the nobleman wanted, Spain would only have an "ambassador" in Portugal representing Spain.
Sooo.. it was like the Kingdom of Portugal, and Spain, but at the time was Spain territory (still seperated).
You are right.
I way oversimplified that, to the point were it is not technically correct.
I made an updated version of the video were I take that part out
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Thank you for the kind correction :)
In portuguese that union is called "União Ibérica"
its not Fernando, Fernando is a completely different king. Felipe was the one who got the Portuguese throne.
Sir you just skipped over the whole Spanish Civil war like it wasn't important.
we the portuguese , were lucky it was due to spain fighting the catalans, theyr army was dispersed and we regained our independance back in 1640, our thanks and our hearts , to them...GRACIES
Agora imagina que tínhamos ficado sob a regência dos castelhanos!!! Andávamos na mesma luta que os catalães!!!!
precisamente...
the spaniards roasted our best ships , on the stupid Invencible armada
"the vasque region"
>Points Navarra
Nicely done. It is unfortunate that RUclips now clutters the last portions of a video with links, often obscuring meaningful content.
Yeah I hate it too
I love Spain. I love it's culture, it's people, it's food and it's history (oh and it's climate) but is this the right time to be doing this? I'm not Spanish and have no right to comment on the sentiments involved but look at the battle we are having with the EU over Brexit and we haven't even left yet. Imagine the problems a breakaway state might have, not just within the EU but with the UN having to recognize a new sovereign state within a recognized member. It could be a nightmare. For the sake of your beautiful country, I hope you work it all out.
With the EU acting like bullies we should all team up on the EU, break it down and form a new union involving nothing but trade. We should not be afraid of them. You don't back down from bullies.
Agree, it should be a TRADE union and nothing else!
arno nabuurs Trade and mutual defense union incase any country, may it be North Korea, Saudi Arabia, China or even the USA attempts an invasion/throws in a nuke. But apart from a trade and defense agreement it shouldn't have any regulations that would threaten an european countrys sovereignity.
That's what it started out as, The common market was a trading alliance until the federalists and globalists took over. I agree with you, let's get rid of these corrupt, sinister Eurocrats, get our sovereignty and borders back and get back to the successful trading bloc we were intended to be.
curlyjim2550 The european union shouldn't be an union but an alliance, with no power whatsoever over any member nation apart from the guarantee of a military defense alliance incase member nation is attacked by foreign country, as well as a trade agreement to facilitate trade. I don't know if an unique european currency should be kept because it basically forces us to have a centralized european bank, but I'm not sure that it would be a good idea to step back to seperate currencies (might hurts the economy of europeans countries in the short term). Apart from that, an european alliance shouldn't have any law dictating to others countries what to do or not to do, and shouldn't force us to have no borders. Something like the European Alliance would be an excellent thing to replace the rotten and corrupt union
Good video but Two HUGE mistakes. IT NEVER existed the catalan kingdom of Aragón. It was Kingdom of Aragon including actual territories of Aragón, Valencia and Cataluña.
Second mistake, the Secesión war NOT IMPLIED catalas vs the rest of Spain, but the previous territories of Kingdom of Aragon against the rest.
Never NEVER existed a Kingdom of Cataluña nor King of Cataluña
Daniel Yustos
To your first "mistake" read the pinned comment at the top, I wrote when I posted the video
To the second point
I clearly say "two rival claimants for the Spanish throne"=succession war-"unfortunately for the Catalans they picked the losing side"....Those statements are correct-picking the losing side clearly implies there are two sides to pick from...i.e the Catalans were not vs the rest of Spain
....Listen closer :)
The Kingdom of Aragon including actual territories of Aragon and... only Aragon. The kingdom was only a part of the the crown.
even in your correction youre wrong. Catalunya NEVER had a King or was a "little" kingdom part of a bigger kingdom of Aragon. Catalunya as much as Aragon and Valencia were the PARTS THAT CONFORM the kingdom of Aragon, they never had selfgobernment apart from the kingdome of Aragon AND THEY NEVER WERE CONQUERED they were always part of the kingdom of Aragon. In other words Catalunya IS Aragon
The Kingdom of Aragon, as our friend henhaooahneh pointed out was only the territory of the actual autonomous community of Aragón, which formed part of the Crown of Aragon, as did the territory of actual Catalonia, which was never a Kingdom of its own, even though it worked like it, because all the kingdoms (+ Catalonia) that formed the Crown of Aragon were pretty autonomous and not a single, united entity.
Daniel Yustos Aragons capital and wealthiest region was Catalonia
This video is great and I thank you for this.
But it's to short because I love the videos that take their time to explain the whole history and culture of Spain, Italy, Portugal, France, Switzerland, North Africa and Mauritania.
Thank you very much youcovered everything in 3 minutes . love it.
Thank you for the explaination. Clean and simple for all
Kingdom of "The Castle & The Lion" lol you could make a Game of Thrones-like show with the history of Spain..
With all regions of Europe, in fact.
well, george martin took inspiration from all this stuff. in the GOT world, spain would be dorne
Thanks for the education. Very much appreciated.
Thank you for making it a little more understandable.
the Portuguese are the only group of people in the entire Iberian peninsula to have never been conquered by Castille & Leon..impressive
I think it's impressive Castille survived being our neighbor for so long.
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hey were lucky to not have any spices.
Otherwise
Nope: Aragon and Navarre weren't conquered by Castille and Leon either. They were married into it.
they actually have
None of Spain was actually conquered by Castile and Leon unless it was Muslim. They expand through strategic marriages and state mergers through personal unions, which eventually happened to Portugal for a short period of time, so Portugal was ruled by Spain, but not conquered
At around 3:30, you have an arrow supposedly pointing to Basque Country. However, it points to Navarre. Basque Country is the coastal area immediately West of Navarre.
Thanks, is pretty embarrassing especially because I have spent time there and I am part Basque (my family would be ashamed)
Just made another version, (with my normal voice) was sick when made this one...was a bit raspy...hopefully is better :)
tried to fix couple little errors to :)
ruclips.net/video/xlSQpC72zCI/видео.html
Half of the BASQUE are in FRANCE ,Pertignean ,will they also ask for otonomy ?Well no they do not have much of an industry there !EU ,is not supposed to brake appart ,if SPAINE will not talk ,BRUSSELS WOULD HAVE COME IN AND CRUSH THE UPRISING !
nice talk, Basque is interesting too. thanks much.
Where is Andorra? #upset
Between Spain and France.
Don't worry, Spain hasn't stolen it.
Stolen it? That region of Catalonia has been part of Spain since pre Roman times and many citizens from all over Spain live there and have been marrying with each others for centuries. Then have plenty of common things with Spain. Why would Spain let it go?
És als Pirineus :P
Catalonia is Madrid's cash cow, as many people see it. There are a lot of reasons why Catalonia wants to break away and there are still areas in the center that still have their facades chipped away from when Franco's bombs landed in the city, and Rajoy (and by extent PP) still hold many of Franco's ideals. Spain has the plan of just never talking about the civil war and still have a monument in Madrid dedicated to Franco and his generals.
Epimetheus, what a wonderful concize and effective explanation! thank you.
Thank you so much for this! I wish somebody would do a series of both sides saying good things about one another, even with this current situation going on.
Thanks for explaining this!
Well, one could say that at the cultural centre of the Crown of Aragon was Catalonia. All of the resettlement to the south, and west out into the sea was done by people who spoke some form of catalan (Standardisation being non-existant and any language in that time). As they went south they brought their language, that's why to this day it's still spoken in Elx (Elche in English) although not as it once was. The case is the same for out toward the sea, The Balearic Islands, Alguer in Sardinia, and historically in Sicily Catalan was widely spoken. When we talk about the Crown of Aragon, we ought not be seperating, it's silly and it's not constructive. We ought to be talking about the great achievements made by the Crown and it's people. The Crown itself was a very unique country of nations that's difficult to classify what kind of government it actually was (more like a federation). It was also a medieval super power, and if you did business in southern Europe, you for sure needed to know how to speak Catalan. We ought to be celebrating an incredible shared history between Aragon, Catalonia, Valencia and the Balearic Islands.
That's it. They put the name and a Kingdom, catalans did the rest (simplifying a lot). And what you say about some sort of catalan language, it's just what happened with the rest of modern languages before standardisation, it's and obvious fact. There are bigger differences betwen modern castillian dialects than between the catalan language dialects.
"Linguistic Differences" does not even begin to cover it. Catalan is a completely different language from Spanish, or Castillian, as it should be known. In fact, it is much closer to French and Sardinian. Also, Catalan is Spoken in the neighbouring provinces of Valencia and the Balearic Islands as well, so who is to say these provinces wouldn't want to join an independent and much richer Catalunya as well?
ERRORS AND CORRECTIONS:
1.- Catalonia is not Aragon despite this lie is being taught in catalan schools
2.- Catalonia is the richest region in Spain but is not the one who pay the most taxes, who paid the most is Madrid
3.- Catalonia is the region which receive the most from the central goverment and the one with the biggest
Good corrections
Just finished a new 3 min version of the same video about 45 mins ago
I fixed the "catalan kingdom of Aragon" misstatement in the video
ruclips.net/video/xlSQpC72zCI/видео.html
Thanks for the comment! :)
nr. 3 is incorrect. Catalunya pays more tax to Madrid than it gets back. This is very easy to verify. Regions that collect 120% [of average tax revenue per capita] end up with 90% [of average government resources per capita] while others go from 70% to 110% because of the redistribution. It's an unbalanced system that Catalans feel is unfair. So in effect they also do pay the most (%) in tax which also makes nr.2 on your list incorrect. I live in Barcelona and maintain a neutral political position...facts are facts and that is all I am interested in.
But the Catalan areas were made rich by the large influx of poor Spaniards who went to work there from the late 1950s ? Perhaps you owe them for that. Its seem selfish to want independence based on money created from the nation your are currently part of.
1.- Catalonia is not Aragon despite this lie is being taught in catalan schools -> TRUE
2.- Catalonia is the richest region in Spain but is not the one who pay the most taxes, who paid the most is Madrid -> TRUE, WITH NO WORK.
3.- Catalonia is the region which receive the most from the central goverment and the one with the biggest (MADRID HAS A LOT OF "INFRAESTRUCTURAS DE INTERÉS GENERAL" PAYED BY THE WHOLE COUNTRY AND ONLY MADRID TAKES PROFIT).
Catalonia is not the richest region, is the one with the highest GDP (although is likely to change shortly after the exodus of some blue chips)
Assuming that GDP defines wealth would lead to say that China is the second richest country in the world and on its way to become the richest one soon.
In terms of GDP per capita Catalonia is 4th (2012 data), after Basque Country, Madrid & Navarre
Extremely inaccurate history of Spain shown in this video. Plus, tax distribution in Spain is not uneven only with regard to Catalonia, as other rich regions like Madrid do contribute with higher amounts to the country´s budget (it happens in most nations - not all regions are equally rich). It is true that historicaly, some regions have retained some autonomy with regard to budget distribution, but this is not the case in Catalonia (nor in Madrid), so there is no possible historical claim here.
The shocking part is that Catalonia is depicted as the most liberal area in Spain. One needs to know very well a country to say something like that (not just check election results, which can be influenced by characters more than by policies). This is a mere judgement of the author, and will not feel right to most Spanish inhabitants (it would feel right to say Catalonians are just as liberal as the next man, though).
I personally think there is a responsability when uploading videos like this one, and inaccuracies and opinions can be regarded as fact, which is a matter of concern, and may be interpreted as adding fuel to a fire which is causing unlimited suffering to us Spanish. If this is the case, I would suggest the author to be more objetive. Should the case be that this is mere propaganda, I can only say that I am utterly disgusted with the way truth can be bent in the 21st century.
Well u can't say that u we have no right to ask for independence.
Agreed and well said.
@@ilikedolphins3059 But there has to be a LEGAL referendum in the whole country for that
@@Nora-vm8hz wich is also impossible because Spain is not democratic
@@Nora-vm8hz Demonstrably false. When Scotland is given the choice for independence; the English have no right to vote in it. Same for Catalonia. That being said, good luck to the Spanish in holding their country together. Wish them the best because they have a lot of problems to overcome -least which is Catalonia and the virus.
thanks man for the video -
I believe this video is useful for non-spanish people and I congratulate the author for providing such a short but effective storyline. The author, however, misses a great point: catalan culture has been persecuted for more than 300 years now. People in the rest of the country do not understand why we use our own language and they firmly believe we should stop doing it and talk 'the real' spanish language. Instead of protecting the catalan language by taking it as part of the spanish culture, the government in Madrid has always tried to discredit it. That is, for me, the main reason why I will vote 'yes' tomorrow.
Eso es mentira, yo incluso me atrevería a decir no siendo catalán, que el catalán debería ser la única lengua oficial de Cataluña ya que el castellano es algo que se ha introducido allí de manera un tanto "forzada". El fallo de España como país es que no funciona como el estado plurinacional que realmente es.
Good comment, but listen about my experience: I am a native castillian-speaker, so I believe I am not biased towards catalanism. However, I can recognize a legitimate cause. I have seen many times how the catalan language is seen as a nuisance by the government in Madrid. I insist on the fact that the catalan language is not considered as a richness that is part of Spain, but as something that should be eradicated. In switzerland, the three main languages are official in the whole country. This is how other countries have saved the situation and I would like to see that in Spain. I would like to see the public buildings in Madrid having signs in catalan. I would like to see a prime minister that can speak two (or three / or four!) of the languages that are spoken in the peninsula. Unfortunately, that is very unlikely.
Exacto, el problema de España es que no hay unidad en diversidad, a nadie le gusta que le digan cómo tiene que hablar o sentirse, eso toca los cojones a cualquiera, si España dejara vivir, trabajar en unidad en vez de separar, los catalanes podrían sentirse porfin españoles y catalanes y andaluces y canarios y bascos, etc..una España unida por la diversidad sería maravilloso, el problema es que tú eres uno entre 40 millones que no piensan como tú y así está el panorama.
Excellent video! I had very little knowledge about the subject and after watching this the news makes so much more sense. Thanks a ton!
Awesome! glad you found the video :)
I think I found a new hobby: news-binging...
Good hobby
The kingdom wasn't calle Castille y Leon because it means 'castle and lion' it's because it consisted of the two former kingdoms Castille and Leon.
1:10 You didn't tell the whole story, because what happend there was that the legitimate heir to the trone, Joana (Daughter of the previous King), was overthrown by her aunt, Isabella, and because of this, there was a Civil war, where the Joana's side was backed by Portugal (while she was supposed to marry the King of Portugal, Afonso V) and France, while Isabella's side was backed by Aragon. The war ended up with a victory by the side of Fernando and Isabella on Land and a Portuguese victory at sea.
Thanks for expanding on that!
I should have made a longer video, I had no idea so many would watch.
Thanks for the comment
Juana la Beltraneja was
supposedly ilegitimate
Rafael Melo
*whole
Too Simplistic. You jump from med evil times to after Franco's death. you missed the Spanish civil war. Catalonia and Barca provided men and materials that helped stall Franco for 3 years and were persecuted after. Barcas overthrow of army was in fact instrumental in stopping the coups from being immeadiately successful as was Durrittis Column where 8000 militia drove Barca to Madrid to stop the Capital from falling in 36. That legacy like the Basques experience in the Civil War no doubt has got a serious relevance on current situation.
This is awesome!
Very well explained sir
The Catalan Kigndom of Aragon? Oh my God! The Crown of Aragon! There has not ever been a Catalan kingdom. Not very well informed.
Thats cuz catalans do not have king. !!*!!
@@rabote007 Aragon was a very old kingdom, it had more than 1 king
I disagree on the point that it's all about money.
I'm Italian, I've been married to a Spanish Catalan woman and had my kid going through school in BCN, learning both Spanish and Catalan.
I've had quite an extensive SpanCat experience.
What I've observed with utter surprise in so many occasions (my wife's family is from Andalusia) is how much the simple existence of a Catalan language and identity is loathed by the mainstream Spaniards.
Then, yes, there's all the rant about the money the Catalans want but that's a first layer.
The core of the conflict is another.
Long story made short: Spanish national identity was created as an extended Castillian identity, with some Andalusian and other regions folkloric add-ups. Being Spanish became intended as speaking Castillian, period. Other options heavily frowned upon or outwardly repressed.
To be more clear, it's like if the English had offered the Scots not the merging into a superior British identity but had imposed them being just English.
Anyone who has a Scottish friend knows how this could make him turn into a furious beast.
Well, Catalans simply didn't feel fitting in that frame either and never have since. They have a distinct language and a strong identity that Spain accepts only if tamed, decaffeinated, subjected and marginalized to few fiestas with no more importance.
Catalans have always answered no to that. They sense it as a form of cultural colonization.
Spaniards have answered on their side with resentment, hatred and a huge tide of urban legends about Catalans committing all kind of sly iniquities and selfish injustices.
The Catalans obtained an autonomous status as a nationality in 1978, with the right to defend their language and heritage but my experience is that the mainstream average Spaniard has never really digested that and trying to clip the nails of Catalans has been a profitable political stance especially for right party PP, harvesting millions of votes among all those that feel that Catalans are supposedly "breaking the country".
Well, after generations of having to crawl hard to maintain their language and identity and after a very long series of no answers from Madrid, the Catalans are now heading for the door.
I don't think that viable but I understand them.
Most of my Catalan friends never thought about independence and now they don't look fanatic about a promised land or a holy mother country.
What they most say is: "Que más podíamos hacer?" What else could we do?
A far cry of frustration more than a nationalistic revenge.
Solving the conflict would require not a new political pact but a general upgrade of the national image of Spain as a whole. Spaniards thinking of themselves in another way, more ample, more plural, more modern.
Will that happen?
For what I've learned, hardly...
Really, dude? You should talk with more people here, not only with catalans. And a Italian talking about a more modern image for a country, when you can see the conflicts and racism between north and south italians?
Hugo, I totally agree with you: the Italian national image is far from complete and maybe will never be. We have our problems and if you have suggestions, you're welcome.
That doesn't prevent me to hope for Spain an upgrade that might solve the conflict.
Let me just put it in the simplest way possible:
The image of Spain as a modern nation gets formed in the 19th century (as is the case for everybody: Brits, French, Russians, Greeks, Turks, Arabs, whoever). That's the romantic starting point of all modern nationalisms (and we are all nationalists to some extent, since we all have and love a Holy Mother Country of reference).
Well my question is: how comes that a certain number of your fellow Spanish citizens didn't, or couldn't, see themselves reflected, identified in that image?
That's a fact. Some didn't find themselves in that national and nationalistic identity and referred to another identity as more fit to what they felt.
How did that happen?
All due to the invention of a Catalan language and identity that never existed before? Are you clinging on to such easy propaganda?
For sure that Catalans did everything possible to nurture their nationalistic ideals (as everybody else on this planet, Spaniards included) but is that all?
A husband and wife in crisis is never a one-way responsibility: it takes two to dance a tango.
My hypothesis is that Spain (as a nation, not as a state that existed since long before), has been created on a monolithic self perception that badly accepts different languages or diversities and that's the ground-zero of the conflict.
If you put up a Club Spain in your neighborhood and say that everybody's welcome but not ginger-head people, well, if you're lucky, maybe there won't be such kinda people around but what if there were?
Would you spend the next 150 years blaming, insulting, fighting with these "f***ing ginger-head schmucks" and pretending they color their hair or, as I suggest, it would be better to just upgrade your Club to accept ginger-heads? What's better?
The core of this conflict, as I have perceived (and for sure that I'm not 100% right but something right I am), is that Catalans never felt really accepted in Spain (unless tamed and "spanishized", like coloring the hair of a ginger-head) and as I say, it takes two to dance a tango.
Unfortunately, I see now with worry all people rallying in the streets in BCN in a very dangerous series of happening I don't support, at least not in this way, but I see also the avalanche of hatred that has been poured on Catalonia as an easy vote-racking strategy of PP and others during years, I've lived it, I've seen it with my eyes.
As long as both Cats or Spans don't stop blaming the others and start taking their own responsibilities to sincerely solve the problem, there's no solution but a traumatic outcome.
Very good info. As being Flemish in Belgium, I recognize the frustrations of the Catalan people.
And I can also understand the fear of the rest of Spain for losing the region. But resolving to violence will only make it worse. I bet there were a lot Catalan that were opposed the indepence, are now changing their mind when seeing how brutally they were treated.
Thanks for this excellent summary. I totally see it as you do.
Visca la terra!
BAHAHAHAHA you're trying to talk like the movie trailer narrator. You're so cool!!!
What a stunning voiceover!
Reminds me of Mexico when Chiapas wanted to get Independence from Mexico and the Mexican government sent the Military to crush them. I wonder what happen to Comandante Marcos. A lot of States here in the United States also don't like the Federal Government butting in their business.
Comandante Marcos said in an Interview that before the revolution he had been working for a well known Spanish Mall called "El Corte Ingles".
Arturo Rosales I wonder when that happened! There's always three stories: Your's, mine and the truth!
Only a handful of US states would actually benefit from secession but most would not last long due to US border policies and tariffs. This would severely cripple their economies when large industry, like car companies, would just move somewhere still in the US since the cost of moving a plant would be quickly regained in savings on tariffs. The US states that tend to dislike the federal government most also tend to be the ones most reliant on it for things like infrastructure funding, welfare costs, medicare costs, etc. This also doesn't account for things like having to fund their own military which would lead to effectively the same or higher taxes than they were paying to the federal government in order to fund them since they would have to start from scratch.
That's all to ignore the fact that secession is never allowed by the union. The last time someone tried to secede we had the most deadly war, in terms of US casualties, in all of history to stop that. Secession with the US would likely involve going to war with the US, which pretty much outweighs any other considerations. Especially since the alternative way to implement change is so easy in comparison. All you have to do is get good politicians into office. It's impossible either way, but so is secession.
It is possible to secede peacefully, it requires all of the states to sign off on it....but to do it the way the confederates did just gets you curbstomped by the US military.
When appears the Khalessy?
shes conquering the north right now..
very good summary, short and to the point
Thanks! Glad you found my channel
I made an updated version of this same video, you might like
ruclips.net/video/xlSQpC72zCI/видео.html
Have a great day András :)
Is this your first video or are there other videos that are now hidden/removed?
Secessionism in Europe is opened like Pandora box, when western countries for their reasons motivated and recognizes separatist movements of Croatia and Slovenia in Yugoslavia. Imagine, now Germany saying "We accept and support Catalans as independent!" Sounds crazy? Yet they did that to Yugoslavia, causing a terrible war there among Serbs who wanted to stay in Yugoslavia and Croats and Muslims who wanted to separate even forcefully.
Then even more crazy support for Kosovo independence - The Kosovo separation was sponsored by Kosovo drug cartel (one of the biggest in Europe).
Also, the way of Kosovo separation was performed was very similar to today's terroristic attacks on regular armies around the world and civil Serbian targets. That armed rebellion caused separation and later unilateral decision to be independent - so compared to Catalonia, there was no even a referendum, so it is even more illegal, but yet supported by EU countries????!! :D
Further, while Catalonia is for centuries settled by Catalonians, on the other hand, the Kosovo was mostly settled by Serbs and was a cradle of their nation, but later was, often illegally settled by Albanians.
So, really, what do you think is more powerful rule in diplomacy? the rule of law? or the rule of interest?
You make a very good point , it is what it is now , main reason for the fall of Yugoslavia was constitution of 1974 which allowed in theory for the republics to secede ( everybody thought it was just theory , that it would never happen till it happened ) . We Croatians elected the nationalists , you Serbians over reacted and elected even bigger nationalists and we all know what is the result
Its usless to tell this people that most EU.members they sighned ,in condition ,to keep from ,DISINTIGRATING !CATALANS WERE ENSIGHTED BY AN OUT SIDE 'INTEREST',JUST LIKE ALL "THE COLORE REVOLUTIONS" ,ARE TO PROFITING SOME OBSCURE AGENDAS ,AND NOT FREEDOM AT ALL !I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THESE PEOPLE ,SO FREEDOM LOVING ,WHY NOT LOOK AT REAL CRIMINAL ,APARTITE ISRAEL ,AND DO SOMETING ABOUT IT !PALESTINEANS ARE BEING MURDERD EVERY DAY ,BY THE CRUEL IDF.CHILDREN IMPRISONED,MURDERD ,YET NO ONE HERE IS INTERESTED ,TO GIVE A HONEST TAUGHT TO THIS INJUSTICE FOR THE LAST 60YEARS BY 'ISRAEL' ???WHY ...
+ CRO BOJOVNIK
slobodno napisi i na srspkom jeziku kontra-argumente, posto iz tvog nivoa komunikacije, sumnjam da umes na engleskom. Evo prevescu ti na engleski, sve sto istinito i vredno kazes.
Visca la República Catalana //*//
Sinisa Rudan That’s bullshit
Make Europe Feudal Again!
haha
I really don't know enough about Spanish history to make a useful contribution to the debate. I just wanted to add a bit of history that might interest some readers: a daughter of Isabella and Federdinand named Catherine of Aragon married England's Henry VIII and was the mother of Mary Tudor, remembered as "Bloody Mary" for her efforts to steer England back to Catholicism.
tbh Henry the VIIi was way worse with catholic remnants
One thing, in the War of Spanish Succession, not only Catalonia joined the Hapsburg side but also Aragon and Navarra, also some people from other places but not that much, and after the War not only Catalan was banned in administration but also other languages like Aragonese, Asturleonese, Basque and Galician. Also, nowdays Catalonia has the same as autonomy as the Basque Country and Navarra, which all three have their own police force for example.
The fiscal autonomy you are talking about corresponds to not paying federal taxes at all. Catalonia is one of the rich/industrial parts of Spain (along Madrid, Valencia, Pais Vasco...) . It is this way because Spain has favored the industry in this well located regions while other inland regions have been more rural (for farming). This happens in every single country. And then, the richer people pay more taxes in Spain like in every single democracy. Now Catalonia wants to keep the taxes of all of their citizens and not letting them to be used for hospitals/schools in rural areas (except that some times it is mismanage by the corrupt Spanish government). I dont see New York refusing to pay federal taxes that may be relocated to develop Arkansas for example.
Thank you for the comment, you make some very good points. They don't want to pay federal taxes at all? If that is so that is a bit too far, it would be reasonable to want to pay a proportionate amount of taxes for their population size. Plus lower tax % may lead to overall increase in business and more over all yields for the gov in Madrid....I would personally like to see both sides negotiate a peaceful solution-I think the heavy handed tactics Madrid has been using is not going to help their cause. What do you think will happen?
Thank you for the reply. You can look at the tax autonomy of the Basque country right now (which I dont think they should have had in the first place), I believe Catalonia would like something similar. The difference is that Catalonia is a much bigger region and if they stop paying taxes it will impact the rural areas more. I agree that the policies from the government in Madrid have not been the correct ones. I dont think they will declare independence after the referendum (even though the yes will win by far, because many people that want to stay wont go to vote given that its not a legal referendum). I believe that ultimately Spain will have to change the constitution, so it becomes something like a confederation, and regions like Catalonia will have a lot of autonomy.
I agree, both PP's and PSOE's policies and corruption have weaken Spain (Exact same things as CIU in Catalonia) But I think we should all come together and change our government, not run from it.
you make a video about this topic and you discover this information here? While I don't agree on the statement that the Catalan government doesn't want to pay any taxes as berdaz said, what really leaves me in disbelief is your courage to make such a video without spending 10 minutes researching about the topic in hand.
Maurici Hervàs Sotorres
He never said he doesn't want Catalans to pay no taxes "proportionate amount of taxes for their population size" does not equal no taxes...you should learn what words in English mean before you criticize others for what they did not say-You should spend 10 minutes researching what the word "proportionate" means
Looks like a chapter from game of thrones with the lannisters point of view...
This vlog enlighten me about why most of us pilipino called the spaniards by KASTILA which is derive from the old kingdom of CATILLA Y LEON OF ISABELLA. And according to my grandmother when the time was philippines is colony of spain the language that the spaniards spoke is castilian which some of it spoke of us today.
Well done on this clear and interesting explanation, and on your excellent Spanish pronunciation. Most native English speakers have difficulty pronouncing Spanish place names properly.
His voice sound like any moment he'll say "That is how a Catalonian do"
3:20 a bit more to the left 😅
"...the kindom of Navaarrrre..." :D this voice and locution :D :D
Very simple, clear, and helpful explanation. Thank you.
Uuuhhh, you arrived at 1975. Cool. But where's Andorra now, my dude?
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At 40 seconds in I say "the Catalan kingdom of Aragon" That does not mean that all of Aragon was Catalan, Barcelona and a significant part of this kingdom was Catalan. I am not inferring that the Catalans were all of that kingdom, or were the Royal family, only that they were a major part.
LISTEN CLOSELY ---War of Spanish Succession was not Catalonia vs Castilla, I am saying they picked the loosing side in that civil war.
The area of Catalonia belonged to the Kingdom of Aragon, they were never independent. Only the city of Barcelona that was a county. A kingdom is ruled by a king no "democracy" at all.
You are correct they were not a democracy. In the video I say they had elected courts(legislature) and a constitution- So they were a constitutional monarchy ruled by Aragon. Even though not a democracy is more rights than the vast majority of medieval peoples had.
Thank you for the comment :)
Well, not exactly, the first Spanish constitution was "voted" in Cadiz in 1812 (not all the people voted). Before that, the courts were advisors to the king (courtiers, mainly aristocrats). Anyhow good work, thank you for taking your time to dig into Spanish history
@FBH I was referring to the Catalan constitution of 1283, not the first united Spanish constitution
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Catalonia
Well, wikipedia is not bad, but you have to know that anyone can write on it. Catalonia was part of Carolingian empire before being part of Aragon Kingdom, they were never independent as a state (they were state cities). Anyhow every piece of land in the world belonged to different empires during the History. If we go on until the proper time anyone can tell you that this or that land belonged to them. Why the kingdom or Aragon is not asking for Naples, why Italy is not asking for Spain, why american natives are not asking for America, and so and so on. Anyhow the best thing would be to let the people decide their fate with freedom, but we weren't free, we are not and we won't (unless something changes).
Awesome video, just a remark Castilla is Castleland, not castle. And Leon(which means lion) refers to the old capital(the city of Leon) which name comes from legion not lion.
I commend you for making an informative youtube clip about a difficult subject. Alas i do think you would have done better to go over the four minutes so you could expand a little more/better about a rather complex subject.
Catalan independence movement: creating history since 1974.
+lacrudarealidad duele Hispanidad: castileanizing Spanish History since 1580s and still going on
You said catalan kindom of Aragon. But thats not right. Aragon was a kindom, and catalan was only on county inside that kindom. Catalan was important as it got economical importance, but no more than that.
Is just a detail, but Fernando never get goberment of the union of castille and lion, his daugther Juana I the crazy was the ruler but of castille, but she was controled by other people who fight each other, Fernando fought to control Juana, but he lose against the Cardinal Cisneros. His grandsond Carlos I of spain and V on germany hereditage the kindom of Navarre, aragon, castille and ganade on 1516 and then is when spain was formed as one kindom (still needed portugal to get the right to be called Spain, but portugal join whit his son Felipe as you say on the video).
one point to mark, is that when they lose their rights, it was not only catalan, but all spain. The new Borbonic king wantet to take out the confederate kindom that spain was, so he take the priviledges of all kindoms not only the ones on the county of Catalonia (he coudnt take all Navarre priviledges, but he did in the rest of all kindoms), One point important is that to that moment, the oficial language was latin. He put spanish as oficial language, and that get Catalonian angry, they say that he forbid Catalan launguage, but its not that way.
Catalonian havent being the most liberal region in spain. They got priviledges on taxes and commerce, for example, in the XVIII century all spain got to buy textile from catalonia and they where forbid to buy from other places, that take to ruin Galician region which where stronger than Catalonia. The spanish inversion on Catalonia was higher than in the rest of spain, making that other regions couldnt develop so well as Catalonia. So by, the spanish goberment, Catalonia had always got priviledges.
Actualy I think Catalonia independence would be good for the rest of spain, as it would help to other regions to develop after taking out the tiranic opression of Catalonia.
Memnon que deu t'escolti noi!
Another historical correction: Fernando was succeeded by their daughter, Juana la loca (the crazy), but she was replaced by the distant, non-Spanish speaking Austrian Carlos V (who became Carlos I), whom you mention as the successor.
When your geo teacher wants u to write 1/2 A4 about this vid of 4 minutes be like:
Ah yes, relatable
I want a trained cat with a human face like that Alfonso guy.
hahaha yes it has a funny face the dude.
If it makes Catalonia feel better, I always release them in EU4.
Yannik both
Yannik I release them as France, after attacking Aragon.
I actually have only one tagged with one nation. Yup Catalonia! :D.
:-D
Waste of monarch points. Better to annex them
Does anyone know what program he made this with?
Video software?
I used windows movie maker..is old software, but it is free and very reliable. I think is definitely better than many of the paid ones.
When a new Street Fighter game come out, it'll be interesting to see whether Vega's home country will be changed to Catalan instead of Spain to reflect the current political situation. Zangief was once a Soviet people in SF2, he's a simple Russian now
You jumped from 1714 to the death of Franco (1975) and then say that the independence is just for money... From 1714 to 1975 Catalonia has been represed, catalans have been tortured and killed, like jews for the nazis, lenguage forbidden, culture forbidden, traditions forbidden, etc... This is offensive and out of touch.
Soy catalán y quiero protejer mi cultura y mi identidad separandome de mis hermanos españoles e introduciendo una gran cantidad de inmigrantes económicos de oriente medio con culturas claramente incompatibles con la libertad de occidente, y dandole subenciones para que tengan hijos mientras los ciudadanos catalanes no pueden ni permitirse una vivienda de alquiler, a que soy moderno? Jajaja salu2
Seguimos en lo mismo 3 años después
+Rodd si, ja veig com escrius en catalá😂
As a Catalan, I regretted Ferdinand to allied with Castillian. It is better for us to allied with the Moors back then. Now, we feel that our identity as Catalonian become distorted because of Spanish unification since it dominated over the identity of Catalan. You can see that some cities or regions that were controlled by Aragon use Catalan as their language and their identity, such as Alguero city in Sardinia, Italy. The only people that are really similar to us are the Occitans, no more.
Well, moors are the future in cataluña, so you can feel better now.
PD: look what catalans have done with valencia and our culture... That is TERRIBLE.
Why does this episode feel more ASMR-ey than usual
@3:18 That moment when you realise thats Navarra what the arrow is pointing to...
How has no one even Noticed?
"they pay most of the taxes and benefit the least from them, while the rest of Spain benefits the most from them"... sounds very familiar, like the Southern States, pre-civil war.
you talk shit. During the 50's 60's and 70's of the [ast century who benefited from the money send by immigrants to the Spain of Dictator Franco? Exactly, predominantly Basque country and catalunya because they were the most difficult regions for the dictator to control. So by investing in their local economies he tried to keep them at bay. But at that time you never heard a fucking catalan complain about the money entering in its region. And now its their turn to help regions who economically aren't that strong, and they get all bitchy? money and catalans boy....its almost the same as a whore and money. As long as you provide them with cash they will put their butthole in the air for you to fuck. But when they have to give money...well...the butthole suddenly disappears...
They didn’t pay the most taxes.
Madrid and other regions of Spain are richer than Catalonia so they pay more taxes. All nations have wealthier cities so what is so strange about it? That region of Catalonia has been part of Spain since pre Roman times and many citizens from all over Spain live there and have been marrying with each others for centuries. Then have plenty of common things with Spain. Why would Spain let it go?
Catalonia was before these years more rich and industrial region than the rest.
Perhaps during the XIX century 50's, 60's and 70's inmigrants sent money throught time tunnel to Catalonia to build the first railway (private!) in Spain?
Man it must feel rough that your oldest video is the most viewed
Thank you, but who is talking? Sounds solid and reasonable, but always good to know who talks.
A História dada em Espanha é muito interessante. Parece que inventaram tudo e existem desde sempre. Pena a realidade ser outra.
Cataluña jamás fue un reino.
Cataluña, actuálmente, es la comunidad que más libertades dependientes de un país disfruta de toda Europa, y todos ellos se los ha entregado el gobierno de España.
Es la única comunidad de España que no comparte el dinero que recoge de los impuestos de las empresas afincadas en Cataluña. Sin embargo ella si se beneficia de los impuestos que recogen las demás.
Cataluña en la actualidad esta régida por un regimen totalitario llamado El Govern (el Gobierno de Cataluña) donde adoctrina a los niños desde tempranas edades en las escuelas, y donde se hace la vida imposible a aquellos que pretenden, entre otras cosas, usar la lengua oficial del país, el español (castellano) llegando incluso a tomar medidas agresivas contra estos.
hay un poco de comentario en tu estupidez...
la duda está entre si eres realmente inculto o simplemente quieres desinformar y generar odio hacia esa gente que tanto asco te produce...
Señor Kraw parece que te falta algo .... SE BURLA EL CIEGO DEL SORDO !!
UNA GRAN VERDAD.SI SEÑOR.FRANCO LES PUSO LA SEAT.FRANCO LAS AUTOVIAS HOSPITALES FABRICAS.MAS DE 2 MILLONES DE EXTREMEÑOS Y ANDALUCES MONTARON LO QUE ES CATALUÑA.LES COMIERON EL COCO A SUS NIETOS DANDO ODIO A TODO ESPAÑOL.TIENEN LA COMUNIDAD MAS CORRUPTA DE ESPAÑA.LLENA DE ENCHUFISMO Y PUESTOS ABSURDOS COMO EMBAJADAS...EMBAJADA PARA QUE????UNA COMUNIDAD EMBAJADAS Y EMBAJADORES Y NO TIENEN PARA ESCUELAS Y HOSPITALES...
FX Sonrisas desinformado...
adoctrinado...o simplemente ingnorante.
Juanma Gallego si de cajon........ingnorante con adoctrinio.
mate in the last slide you highlighted the wrong region as the Basque Country. That one is Navarra, the region of Pamplona, the Basque Country is the one on its left, the little triangle.
I think Catalonians are a nation without statehood, so according to the UN Charter they must have the right to separate and build their own state. Am I right in saying so?
The main indicator of a nation is the language. If people have their own national language, they automatically have their national literature, theatre, etc. So, if one wishes to be nonpartisan having nothing at stake their, one should say: it’s none of our business, it’s up to the Catalonians to leave Spain or to live in the state of Spain.
The most civilized “divorce of nations” I know of was in Czechoslovakia. Slovaks wanted to leave, Czechs had nothing against - and Slovaks peacefully left.
I thinks it’s stupidity to try to prevent nations from building their own state - their own future. It sounds very much imperialistic - “stay with us - we know better how to make you happy”. But the world is full of different evil forces and evil politicians.
First of all, I would like to say that your historical vision is wrong. It does NOT exist a Catalonia kingdom of Aragon, but a kingdom of Aragon. Catalonia was nothing at that time.
Catalonia does NOT pay a "disproporcionately high amount of taxes" but catalans get enormous benefits from the rest of the nation like industry, commerce and tourism, as well as the most part of all infraestructures made in the whole Spain. So, please, inform properly next time.
l command you for your chosen name "' ' Επιμηθεύς".
You have named me :D
I cant belive it, YOU JUST KNOW A SHIT ABOUT THE THEME.
Really? The catalna kingdom of aragon?? That have never existed, It was just the kingdom of aragon, Catalonia was just an small part of it.
In the war of 18century to choose the Spanish king , it wasn't Spain vs catalunya, it was half of Spain vs nearly the other half, and like you said, the chooses the wrong "team"... Then, you say that catalony have been being rich since the mediavals ages... And the only reason of this is because SPAIN preffered to put all his company's and buissnes there,like Italy in lombardia and Germany in the Rhur zone, so they aren't really the Catalan wealth, is the Spanish one, and to concluid, the mith of saying Catalonia gives more that what they receives is mostly false, its true that they produce a lot, but not because they work better or harder , just because like I said before Spain putted all his industry there, and that's why...
!!!Catalonia is the part of Spain which recibes most of the Spanish wealth.!!!!
And their regional goberment is also the second most corrupt goberment in Europe, so that is the real main reason of why they want to leave, to live in a fiscal paradise where they can continue taking illegal money whitout consequences...
A good tube just that I can't quiet hear the voice that good.
This is worse than Game of Thrones !!
Get the bloody queen and her dragons now , it is time to burn and clean this mess, get Messi alive although !!
ok.. lets find jon snow first.. may be he can persuade the dragon queen to attack spain
We had dragons in the kingdom of Aragon:
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimera_del_Rey_de_Aragón
There are no dragons but the Portugal king that fought for independence was a bastard
There is space for everything. The right thing is to know where not to erect a temple to stupidity.
@Lucia, Blaming GoT for your idiotic Cataluna problem ??
Nice try idiot !!
Try this : If you Spain-tards would not have voted for corrupt politicians ______(put your problem here )
Catalonian independence from Spain explained in five words: "It's not going to happen".
Thanks!
Ok n what problem would u have if it happened
Im Mexican and I have a certain level of loyalty towards another Spanish speaking country, but then I remember how they killed the Aztecs and I hate them, it sucks to be half Spaniard and half Aztec