The History of Catalonia
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2017
- Interested in why many Catalans consider themselves apart from wider Spanish society and want an independent state? Perhaps finding out about their history is key.
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Video: “Catalonian”
Me: **deep inhale** Catalan
Hshssh sempre
Esq "catalonians" és horrible 😅
@@arnaurosellcanet3946 in Portuguese we call you guys "catalãos" I'd argue that's worse
English: Catalan
Spanish: Catalán
Catalan: Catalá
Basque: KATALANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Catalonian sounds great, what is the problem? You guys have to complain about everything?
I learned much of this when I visited Barcelona. The people were so proud of their language and independent government. While I felt I had wasted boning up on my Spanish, it was fascinating to learn about Catalan and its origins. Truly a beautiful city and rich in culture and history.
As per my name, one can see that I am Catalana, I was born there, my mother tongue
was Catalan, then Spanish was my second language when I started school, age 4, home
was always Catalan, school, we had French and Italian lessons, (which are cousin languages) then age 14, we moved to Australia, English came into the picture, later
marrying a Aussie born Greek background, that came into my life, all this happened before
I was 20. I spoke Catalan to my mum and dad, till their passing, about 62 years, now at
75 I am able to speak all of them, but I only write Catalan, Spanish and English.
War of Spanish Succession is wrong. Austrians and Hapsburg are the same. It was Hapsburg (Austrian) vs. Bourbon (French) successors.
Habsburgs are just the dynasty that ruled those lands. Austrians are people that speak Austrian. It just so happens that the Austrians were ruled by Habsburgs.
@@thebenevolentsun6575 There’s no such language called Austrian, you can’t speak Austrian
In Austria speak German 😂
And Portugal is just watching like..
Wtf is Spain up to this time.
+MinSeop Leem I live in Belgium, mate.
lampo the raptor Oh okay. How is the separatist movement in Flanders going then?
+MinSeop Leem Weak. They are just a bunch of idiots.
+lampo the raptor Interesting...some Spanish think that about Catalan' nationalists, not me. And some Catalan' nationalists think the same about Spanish people.
As a Portuguese I'd say it's more of a "Oh Caralho, not this again..."
a video without netherlands and it's anthem playing is not a true vid of Hillbert
Dolan Duk what a funny meme.
PalmyrabalI Fuk off
PalmyrabalI Hi bby ly
Dutch Games Sorry, i don't speak German :/
Dolan Duk Its dutch
Fun fact, the regions of Spain that were under Aragonese rule still bear its red and yellow stripes upon their modern flags (Aragon proper, Catalonia, Valencia, the Balearic islands), making for a group of very sinilar-looking flags in a country whose regions otherwise have very different designs for theirs.
Also, Catalan is supposedly the language closest to the vulgar Latin spoken in Iberia in the days of the Romans.
this was the most interesting comment on this video. thank you.
Aragón it's the original and actual kingdom. :)
@@leytovera8551 What do you mean?
@@almendroverde i think he is referring to the kingdom of aragon, as they controlled catalonia and valencia in around the 1300's aswell as sardinia and sicily
@@TroyDaboi2005 It was not the Kingdom of Aragon, but the Crown of Aragon.
This Crown was named after its first kingdom, but it was led most of the time by the Principality of Catalonia as the most populated and prosperous entity, and Catalan was the language that expanded with the conquest of new kingdoms (Valencia, Mallorca), while the Aragonese language, due to demographic reasons, did not go beyond the Kingdom of Aragon.
You would almost think Hilbert is dutch or something😂
Where is he from and why would you think he is dutch?
@@PalkkiTT 2:54
He sounds like he’s from Sunderland, but suppressing his accent for the purpose of speaking more clearly
During the he Spanish civil war, Madrid standed for several years
Have a bit of a problem with the notion of Catalonia being singularily opposed to the Spanish crown in the Spanish Succession War. The resistance was more a thing among the nobility who were afraid of losing their privileges. Not about a notion of being Catalonian.
Spain wasn't exist at that time.
@@enkidugarcia5821 To what government did basque country and catalonia pay taxes to and whose military they joined?
*Catalan
That's a typical problem in Spanish historiography: when someone revolts it is the fault of the evil elites and when we find a testimony of unity it reflects a general feeling... Actually the opposition to the Bourbons was common among all classes and was the population of Barcelona the one that urged the Junta dels Braços to declare the defense at all costs. The same with the War of the Reapers in 1640, among Spanish it is said that it was the Catalan elites who deceived the people, but it was the authorities of the Hispanic Monarchy and the presence of their mercenaries in Catalonia that encouraged both the elites and the Catalan people to the rebellion.
@@enkidugarcia5821 ... Lies... Of course Spain DID EXIST...
I'd love to hear more about how the history relates to the current situation. Great content, thanks!
To sumarise, the Spanish-Nazi regim won, freedom is now dead.
Thanks for making this video. Now the things happening over there are somewhat clearer to me. I should like it very much if you make a video on the current situation.
You went through the Spanish civil war without discussing the CNT-FAI? You briefly mentioned it for at about 6:15 but it was almost entirely glossed over.
This video is amazing! Lots of information and beautiful graphics. Please keep on making these videos, Hilbert! Love it, definitely gonna recommend this channel to my friends and family!
Great video but there are two thinks that i want to coment.
-The people from catalonia are catalans, not catalonians.
-Ur flag isnt the `estelada´ (the one you show in the video) its the `senyera´ . The `estelada´ its a flag that represents the separatist movement and was created in 1918.
PowersXD estalada-ilegal,igual que vosotros,que poco os queda jajajajaja😂😂
Freedom for Catalonia
Efectivamente nos queda poco en España
Nuria Anay con el 37% de SI os quereis ir no?
Que democratico...
Nacho Torre la estelada no es ilegal.
People from Catalonia are Spanish, because they are apart of Spain. Obey your masters
Thank you for getting us started. Please do carry on!
Hilbert coming in clutch with those well-timed videos that double his subscriber count
I de cop, un comentari català XD
Jajajaja
Visca catalunya
You deserve way more subs, keep up the good work.
Can you do a video on the anarchist territories in Catalonia and Aragon in the late 1930s? They only got half a sentence in this one and it is incredibly hard to find information on them.
Matze Lvithn
Yes, it was a very successful anarchist revolution and actually the only one the succeeded, the ones in Ukraine had trouble collecting food, but I still like govt/businesses.
Matze Lvithn spain is one of britains most important economic partners, so you would alienate 80% of your clients in favor of the other 20%. I hope you never get to be your country's finance minister, the UK will be ruined in a couple of weeks
Homage to catalonia!
@@themechanictangerine4337 The hell? How is that connected to what they were asking for?
@@andydavis3075 imagine a modern version of this but with the technology we have today, they could create indoor aeroponic farms and increase food production by way more than even necessary. Once robots become the main force of labor, these societies will be even more viable. I hope we can realize this in the future
As catalan I have to say that your pronunciation is awesome, but one thing that I have to say is that our oficial flag is ne one with just 4 red stripes and 5 yellow. In any case that video is really good!
Very nice mate. Topical. Love it.
I'm not a historian and I'm probably biased, but there are some things I would like to say:
· Hispania was the name Romans gave to the Iberian Peninsula. They divided this territory in several provinces (from two at the beginning to five at the end). It’s probably better to just say it’s a geographical term, not a pollitical one.
· You’re skipping the Fall of the Roman Empire, the Germanic domination and the Muslim invasion. I think they are worth mentioning, since it answers why Christian Kingdoms ended organizing this way.
· When the Muslims invaded the Iberian Peninsula, the Christians began fighting them by establishing small kingdoms in the north that started expanding southward. Portugal, Leon, Castile, Navarre, Aragon and Catalonia are some of these kingdoms. By marriage, some of these kingdoms began to unite, Castile and Leon for one side and Aragon and Catalonia for another. Although Castile and Leon were completely fused, that’s not the same for Aragon and Catalonia, since they worked more or less as a confederation, different kingdoms with the same king. When they conquered the Balearic Islands and Valencia, they added these two kingdoms to this confederation they called the Crown of Aragon (although neither Aragon nor Catalonia had a dominant position).
· And you missed the Balearic Islands in your map, just saying.
· The flag for Aragon and Catalonia are mostly the same, since it’s the flag of the King and they had the same king (it's four horizontal stripes on a field of gold).
· The marriage of Ferdinand and Isabella functioned mostly the same way than with Catalonia and Aragon: two kingdoms (well, one for Castille and Leon and four for Aragon, but two kingdoms is easier) with the same king. It’s not one country, instead different countries with the same ruler (if you look it this way it makes all the wars of this period easier to understand ). In the following years, parts of Italy, the Netherlands, Germany or America were added to the Spanish Empire.
· The flag of Spain doesn’t appear until the 18th century, and the Coat of Arms until the 1970s.
· The War of the Spanish Succession is less a conflict between Castile and Aragon or two kings than two opposite visions of how Spain should be ruled: the France way (absolutist, centralised) or the Austrian way (more de-centralised and respectful with the local laws and customs). There were Borbonists (supporters of France) and Austriacists (supporters of Austria) on all parts of the country, more Borbonists than Austriacists in Castille and the other way around in Aragon. It’s recorded and notorious that one of the battle cries in the Siege of Barcelona was ‘For Spain’. Their vision of Spain, of course. In the end, the France way won.
· September 11th is not ‘La Diada Nacional’ is just ‘La Diada’, more or less ‘THE Day’.
· Again, careful with the flags. The white one with a red 'X' represented the Habsburg, in this period the rulers were Bourbon. The ‘Catalan’ one is not the official one, it represents the will for independence and it doesn’t appear until the 20th century (inspired by Cuba's independence in 1898).
· The Catalan Nationalist movement appears at mid-late 19th century.
· At the beginning of the 20th century there’s a brief period of semi-autonomy in Catalonia, until the dictatorship of Primo de Rivera in 1923.
· The dictatorship (and the Monarchy) ended when republican parties won the 1931 local elections and the Republic was declared in Barcelona and Madrid. This Catalan Republic lasted for three days (literally), until it joined the Second Spanish Republic. The man in the photo is Francesc Macià, the president of the ephemeral Catalan Republic and later the president of the autonomous region of Catalonia.
· Again, careful with the flags. You mixed the Coat of Arms of the King in the Spanish Republican flag. Not cool.
· It would be cooler if you showed the evolution of the Civil War through the years, not only a static map. And there was bombardment of Barcelona (by Mussolini’s italian planes), but no siege. In 1939 Franco occupied the remnants of Catalonia in three weeks.
· Good work here with the Spanish flag, the one with the bird is the right one.
·It’s a bit strange that you cut your video at the end of Franco’s Dictatorship, since it was forty years ago and a lot of things have happened:
- Spain transitioned into a democracy and in 1979 got a new Constitution.
- Most of the judges, policemen and civil servants from the Dictatorship strangely kept their jobs.
- Catalonia got again his autonomy status, but another sixteen regions of Spain did the same, diluting its self-government. Its status is recorded in the Statute of Autonomy (more or less like a mini-Constitution, the highest law of the region just below the Constitution).
Spain joined the EU in 1986.
- In the 2000s, after a long time slowly gaining more powers, Catalan parties sought a new Statute to further expand and protect these powers. They finished their work in 2005 and in 2006 was substantially reduced by the Spanish Parliament and reluctantly approved in referendum by the Catalan people.
- In 2006 this Statute was challenged at the Constitutional Court, which ruled in 2010 against the Statute and further reduced its powers.
A huge demonstration was held in Barcelona on July 10th 2010 protesting against the ruling and claiming for independence. Now it was not only a matter of money or language, but a matter of pride and respect.
- In 2011 a new pro-independence organization was born. They have pushed for independence and organized a huge demonstration on September 11th for five years.
- The Spanish government has systematically declined to acknowledge any petition from the Catalan government, even the smaller ones.
Sorry for the long post. Here’s a Politico article www.politico.eu/article/catalonia-referendum-independence-timeline-how-did-we-get-here/ that covers the last ten years in Catalonia and how the claim for independence has grown. Very good.
u expect me to read all that? Bruh i literally stopped a "i would like to say"
Good heavens, no! It's just a long rant nitpicking on a quite well researched video on a topic I happen to have more information. It's not worth the effort, don't bother.
Lou Roo
Wtf dude
I would want independence if all spaniards were like this
Nah, realmente es lo que ha pasado. Está claro que se podría hablar también de como los partidos nacionalistas han sido también de gran peso durante la mayor parte de la democracia en Madrid y han sido parte importante de los momentos clave de la mayor parte de las reformas de un signo u otro. Igual de los problemas que hubo con los recortes en la crisis que hizo CiU y su relación curiosa con el movimiento de indignados. También se ha saltado a Companys, las Guerras Carlistas, las protestas en Barcelona, huelgas y sus bombardeo en el S.XIX, entra otras muchas cosas.
Es decir, que lo que ha dicho no está mal, pero se siguen ignorando muchas cosas. El independentismo desde un punto histórico claramente no se puede explicar en un comentario de YT ni en un vídeo de 8 minutos y medio.
Felipe Hdez look just to simplyfy things and clarify something that the video doesn't explain. Spain has been cracking down on corruption in its government for the last years (not very quickly nor efficiently) and guess what the most corrupt munucipality is catalonia, as the central government is investigating them in the generalitat (the catalonian regional gov) has started to panic and is trying to save its ass from jail plus losing control of the generalitar by gaining independece. And the reason that they have given catalonians that they want to leave spain is because we are the corrupt people and government that steals money of theirs. If you wish to learn more about the falacies of this independence just read some spanish press
6:20
That´s not actually true, though Catalan was banned from official and public matters of the nation, it could be spoken and you could still read from it. It was repressed in the sence that it was not allowed to be thought or to be used by the local goverment but there was never a law that arrested a catalan speaker if he/she was speaking to a friend and a policeman heard them. The opresion of the language was more on a institutional level than a local one.
Yes and no. The repression diminished over the years, but Catalan was indeed banned in public during the early years of Franco's dictatorship, and all books and plays had to be in pre-Fabrian ortography at first too. However, Catalan always remained banned in schools and in most business.
That's why in busses you've had signs that said "forbidden to speak catalan"...
“Whilhelmus van Nassau ben ik van Duitsen bloed”
Love it, interesting as well.
Den Vaderland Getrouwe
Blijf Ik Ton In Den Dood
Dutch still sounds and looks too me like a 2 year old is trying to speak/write in German
Even more interesting is the last line with respect to this video:
de koning van Hispanje heb ik atijd geëerd (I've always honoured the king of Spain).
NaomiClareNL: Especially considering that it is the Dutch effectively saying that it is Spain's fault (specifically Phillip II) for the eighty years war.
It is a good video, but the History is much more complex than that. For example, in the Middle Ages the Corona de Aragon (Crown of Aragon) was actually born thanks to a marriage between the main ruler of the Barcelona County and the doughter of the king of Aragon. It was a pact, a marriage. Besides, the Catalans were not united as a kingdom (they lived in several counties: Barcelona, Girona, Urgell...) and they were not under the power of Aragon "being permitted to preserve their language and customs".
And of course as you well know, they are not the only ones who lived this History and the repression (generally speaking).
There is a lot of things to consider here. But good job trying to do the summary haha it is no easy job ;)
Yes I would like to know more about this. The video had good information in it please do more.
Great video Sir, as always.
I always thought that the demonym for people that come from Catalonia was “Catalan”, “Catalonian” just sounds weird.
You're correct.
Most people get it wrong
I'm spanish, and here they're called "catalan", so it's correct I suppose xd
Cool video and thanks for sharing this History With Hilbert
Thanks for watching!
Nice video and great videos in general. What Editor do use btw? History is cool.
the extra dutch clip just earned you a new sub XD
it would be nice if people of other countries don't exclude the islands from our territory... canary and balearic islands also existe xD
You used a wrong flag to show the union of the kingdoms. The first flag was Cross of Burgundy (more or less Florida's flag nowadays). You also explain wrongly the fight between the borbon and austria's supporters, it was not between aragon and the rest, it was between people inside all the territories, saying that it was between territories is like saying that civil war was between territories, completely wrong. You also mixed Cross of Burgundy with estelada... wrong, both flags are from different times.
Great video! Would've loved if you went into the CNT-FAI though.
Dank Memer Screamers They tried to anarchy, but Franco said no, and killed them all. The End.
I would also like to see a video on the CNT-FAI. It was always my understanding that it was the Stalinists not Franco that crushed them.
the same reason bolshevicks crush makhno ... they don't like copetition
I have to say that actually there was a successful anarchyst revolt where they took control of the streets and many businesses in Catalonia, until uncle Franco came to kill everyone.
the stalinists killed them and they did the same thing with the communists of the P.O.U.M.
Thank you very much for this most educational video about the history of Catalonia !!!
Fantastic video! Please prepare a video also about the reasons underlying the resistance of Spaniards to Catalonian independence: is that solely for issues of power and money, or do they have some reasonable, moral arguments?
Spain clearly belongs to the Dutch. Long live the Hapsburg jaw.
and no one cares filthy spaniards, graças á deus que nossos ancestrais de portugal conseguiram ficar independentes
And they achieved that by kneeling in front of the Normans at waist level and moving their head back and forth repeatedly and thanks to Napoleon interferance in Hispania
Wood :s
You mean Nederland belongs to the spanish, right?
No, that is a widespread misconception my friend. It was never "Spanish Netherlands." It was actually Netherlands' Spain
Yeah follow up video please!
great video bro!!! please make a video on current issue in spain
Great video. Thank you.
Catalonia: I want to hold a referendum
Spain: isn't that illegal?
Catalonia: *I will make it legal*
It's more like:
Catalan: the people want to leave Spain, as is democratic, we should hold a referendum.
Spain: no
Years later....
Catalan: please, this problem isn't going away.
Spain: no
Years later.....
Catalan: this serious we need to hold a referendum, the people are angry.
Spain: no
Catalan: fine we're holding a referendum.
Spain: no you aren't and if you do we'll stop you and even if you somehow succeed, we won't regard it as a legal vote anyway. Fuck democracy.
Catalan *holds referendum*
Spain *beats the shit out of those involved.*
Darth Guilder And the best part of that is that we offered them negotiation and dialogue, but they refused and continued this illegal referendum.
There were some people that even voted up to 5 times, people from Madrid and tourists voted "no" to this refetenfum. There wasnt any control at all and they're still stuck on the idea that the referendum was legal
Spain never offered them negotiation and dialogue, it was the other way around. Spain never wanted to negotiate anything. It's not like the Spanish really know how to talk, their own anthem has no lyrics.
exactly!!!!!!
Eduard Lock We DID offer negotiation and dialogue. You gotta be up to date before commenting..
As a non independentist catalan I have to say that the video is quite objective, however it has some errors, like using the independentist flag (the one with blue and the star and created in the XX century) the whole video when talking about Catalonia and not the Senyera which is the official flag.
Very good explanation of the situation. I find your pronunciation great and the music that you choose, very fitting. I would suggest a little less volume at the end (I couldn't hear your voice), and try to maintain the objectivity that you have achieved in this video. Good luck!
Why is there a gold-purple-gold banner being some of the images...?
I know there was purple once in a Spanish flag...which is glorious, and I see you've coloured Catalonia/Aragorn purple too, but is there a real connection with Catalonia??
You have a problem with "succession war" in Spain, please read more about this
I pensar que podria haver buscat i trobat el video en castellà o català i ho he fet amb anglès. Molt bon treball et felicito !
Hi Hilbert. I'm fascinated by accents. Where are you from? SE England? Have you a parent from South Dublin?
nice video! just missing the last 10 years, when plenty of stuff happened too! 👍
You have to be careful with the flags you are using. The flag with the star is not official and called "estelada" which means "with star". It is literally a copy of the cuban flag, so it was not used until late 19 century. Therefore you made a mistake.
Navarra was incorporated AFTER, Granada, not before.
You said confusing. Philip V of the Bourbon House was accepted king of all Spain, but then Catalonia switch sides for the Habsbourg Charles. The 1640 events were important on that change.
AGG the flags! Change them, they are almost all wrong.
Catalonia was NEVER independent in the 20 century. They declare the independence in 1934 and lasted for 8h. The independence was not even a true independence because they said they were within the "Iberian Federation".
Another mistake. Calonia was taken in february 1939 quite fast after the Ebro Battle of late 1938. There was no bombardement. Even the nacionalist troops were saluted (It is common to take winners side AFTER the war, just to be safe). You should have spoken about the civil war within the republicans in Catalonia.
Calonia has now in 2017 more freedom, rights and self goberment than in 1931-39. For example, before the 1-O, Catalonia has more self goberment than Scotland.
It is just false that Catalan languaje is not accepted.
I used the more independence-inclined Estelada so as not to confuse people with the Senyera which I used for Aragon. Outside of Catalonia and Spain, the Blue Estelada is a much more commonly recognised symbol of Catalonia than the Senyera. If you're interested I explain this in another video where I talk about why I did it this way round in this video:
ruclips.net/video/Y3W0nAGaMeo/видео.html
Technically then they did go independent even if it was for very little time, they just decided to hedge their bets on being part of the autonomous regions in the new Spanish Republic.
I think there demonstrably was a bombardment of Barcelona
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Barcelona
About the language. There are Spanish laws that defend the use of the languages spoken in Spanish territory: Catalan, Valenciano, Euskera, Gallego...Those languages are co-official along with the Spanish language. I'm from Valencia and I can speak it and nobody will fine me or arrest me, the same goes with the Catalan in Catalonia.
@@historywithhilbert146 bravo, well said
Thank you for the information. I am a Creole American American, I meat a Man in Barcelona that I am interested in. He is Catalan. This interaction was the first time hearing about the Catalan people. I want to respect who he is...
Do a video about the current situation, I woukld be very interested as a Croatian lifelong Spanish resident (currently quite sad about the situation) just now living quite far away from the hotspot but still concerned about it. I just hope dialogue wins in any case, which apparently is not towards where the situation is developing
Thanks for this.
Jo visc a Barcelona, i vaig tenía molts problemes amb tot aixó, gracies per fer contingut en angles sobre catalunya
By "this man" you mean Lluís Companys. You found his picture, you might as well say who he was. Also I think the section on the Spanish Civil War needs to be expanded somewhat.
"This man" ( 4:58 ) was Francesc Macià, a Liutenant of the Spanish Army that was contrary to the attacks of the Spanish army to Catalan satirical newspaper (Cu-Cut!) and the neighboring newsroom of a normal newspaper close to the first (La veu de Catalunya / The voice of Catalonia), as a form of complaint he enrolled in a catalanist party to go as candidate to the elections for parliament of Spain. In order to punish him, the Spanish state sent him to Cantabria meanwhile he was there was elected as member of the Spanish Parliament.
First he was monarchist but because the politics applied by the monarchic governments during the Spanish Restorationn he transitioned from monarchism to federal republicanism and later on to independentism/confederalism, he founded several political organizations during his life, the most notorious the party "Estat Català" (Catalan State party). He tried in 1923 during the Dictatorship of Primo the Rivera a popular-military uprising but a Mussolini spy Ricciotti Garibaldi Jr (grandson of Giuseppe Garibaldi) leaked the details of the uprising to the Spanish government and was quickly disarticulated by the French Gendarmerie. Francesc Macià went into exile and returned 1 month after the fall of the dictature of Primo de Rivera and founded with the party "Estat Català" and other parties the party "Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya" (currently in catalan government in coalition with a party born from "Unió Democràtica de Catalunya" decades ago).
The 14th April of 1931 he proclaimed the Republic of Catalonia inside a confederation with the other republics of Spain. But the provisional government of the Spanish Republic went to talk with him and other catalan politicians and made him to withdraw the proclamation of the catalan republic to grant him the command of a catalan institution that was eliminated in 1714 after the war of succesion, the Generalitat.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesc_Macià
@@johanbdln Massive!!
Great video!!
Good info. Thanks
2:28 Not really. It was more of a dynastic union than other thing. The kingdoms had their own laws, taxation, official language, police...
Also that flag is official since 1843, and was designed in the 1740s.
Please go ahead and make the second video, I would love to hear the perspective of an outsider that is not influenced by the current political situation...not a sarcastic comment by the way, I really would like to know.
American here.
Before this almost nobody knew about it. I did have a friend who kept a Catalon flag in her room for a while.
Most people I know who heard about it yesterday or today are siding with Catalonia because of Spanish police suppressing the vote. We're seeing all the pictures of people hurt by rubber bullets
I'm Australian but I've been to the Catalonia bit of Spain. Most people you talk to seem to be keen to want Independence, there are Catalan flags everywhere and most signs are in Spanish and Catalan. They are net losing tax money as well and i could see how that might be a bit harder to swallow when its to not the most healthy state in the world.Also Spain might try and keep them out of the EU- then again all they'd have to do is up beer tax and make all the money back on drunk English tourists.
agree
As a Sicilian, I very much side with the people of Catalonia. We share a similar history of being stormed and conquered, then suppressed. When Italy claimed our country, they all but outlawed our language, and today, not many speak it. Even if asked if we're Italian is considered an insult, meanwhile most Italians look down on us like we're beneath them. Both regions, Catalonia and Sicily would do well to establish their own nations.
Josh Sanders Just get your lot out of the Occupied Stolen six counties of Ireland.
Do a video on current situation plsx
Yes, please, talk more about the current situation in Catalonia.
i'm a simple man, i see wilhelmus, i like
I was looking for a descent history of Catalonia, and then my favourite channel goes and makes a video about it. Could I ask for anything better?
Catalonia
Pretty good video and much better than others on the subject. Yes a video on the current events would be helpful.
A little nitpick: the music at the end was distracting.
Thank you! Think I'm going to scrap the outro music from now on.
Aragon ruled the Kingdom of Naples (with different names at different times - Sicily, Two Sicilies) and, as such, Catalan is close to Neapolitan. I would suppose Aragonese would be also. When I took "Italian" classes at a community college, the instructor was Neapolitan which was fortunate for me. I was heading to Southern Italy to reconnect with family after a hundred-year absence, my great-grandparents having left in 1892, so it worked out perfectly. Turned out my Barcelona trip greatly benefited too as I was able to understand what was being said. Unfortunately, the reverse was not true; my attempts to communicate using Neapolitan was universally met with a question "Are you sure you're speaking Neapolitan?" and the Castillian I learned decades ago did not help. LOL. However, the pitiful excuse for French that I conjured up (having studied that language decades earlier) actually worked. So I listened in Catalan and spoke some weird version of French/American English mix. When I return later this year, I am sufficiently incompetent in all those languages now to garner a lot of puzzled faces - "Really? You want to eat a shoe?" Which will be all the more fun as I will be teaching student doctors!!
I love Spain, I have basque and galician roots , long live to Spain
P. BEAR long live spain means you have little to no Basque roots
@@michaelcooper4010 why exactly is that? Blas de Lezo was Basque and Spanish, Unamuno was Basque and Spanish, the king of Navarra and navarrese (basques) troops fought in the battle of Navas de Tolosa, the famous requetes who fought for Franco were mainly Basques and Navarrese who spoke little to no Spanish...
Educate yourself before stating things like that, too many basques have died for Spain for you to say that because of ETA which is a very recent thing in history
Good video, but you really need to distinguish between calling the Spanish language “Spanish” and Castellano or Castilian in English because Spaniards especially Catalans are very sensitive to this. Man, you’ll get a tongue lashing or get corrected at least if you say speak Spanish to me instead of saying speak Castilian to me since a Catalan speaker, as well as the other minority languages, consider their own language “Spanish” as well. Just something to keep in mind. Also, historically Spanish wasn’t called Spanish until relatively recently in the modern era. It was referred specifically as Castellano. Hell, even in the Philippines, they still call it that.
Thank you, however because this video is in English I'll continue to use the term the vast majority are familiar with which is Spanish (I think in some of the maps I even put or mention that's it's the Spanish from Castile?) I swear English has its own rules about foreign linguistics, like in Dutch the Frisian spoken in the Netherlands is called "Het Fries", but that means "Frisian" which linguistically can be mixed up with any of the other Frisian languages, however the English "West Frisian" is easily confused with Dutch "West Fries" which refers only to a dialect spoken in de Kop van Holland. To keep it simple I just stick with the English as this is what most people are most familiar with.
History With Hilbert Thank you for your response. I get where you’re coming from. I just wanted to alert you with that historical tidbit. Just a brief mention in the video would’ve been fine. “Het fries”? Sounds like Hot fries to new. What a confusing situation as well.
I'm Spanish, from Barcelona... Castellano and Español mean the same to us. We usually say Castilian instead of Spanish, though :/
In the Philippines, we call Spanish Kastila,, more often, than Español or Espanyol.
aalmi002 - Both Castellano and Español are gramatically correct in Spain. Source: RAE. If you get upset because one may say Sapnish in your presence is your problem. The other languages are not considered Spanish but co-official in Spain
what the song at the end of video ?
Would very much appreciate your take on current events in Catalonia regarding the referendum.
Love Catalonia! ❤
Please make more content about Catalonia!
Your pronunciation is quite good actually. Where are you from?
Hi im from catalonia, im not positiones in this political issue though. I appreciate that people like you helps the rest of the world awareness and understanding of our current situation, congrats for the nice video and keep the good work.
By the way your pronunciaton was okey so no worries.
Aaaah...once again I go:
(Sorry if my English is so poor)
Aragon and Castile wasn't a united kingdom until the establishment of the Borbonic monarchy after the war of spanish sucession.
before this, both kingdoms were ruled by the same king but they maintained their own different institutions.
In the kingdom of Castile the monarch had a huge power but in the Crown of Aragon his power was limited, Aragon had a structure similar to a federation(not only Catalonia was special, as this video says, also Valencia and the Mediterranean territories).
Navarre became a viceroyalty inside the Kingdom of Castile.
The Habsburgs maintained that medieval system all the time of their monarchy.
When in the beginning of the 18th century Charles II(the last Habsburg in Spain)died with no descendancy, his sister had married with the king of France Louis XIV Bourbon and they claimed the throne of Spain for his grandson Philip Bourbon but Charles(other Habsburg relative of Austria)claimed the throne for himself because he was a true Habsburg, the war of spanish sucession began.
It was a international and internal conflict:
in the peninsula Castile and Navarre supported the French candidate, because of he wanted brought centralist system to Spain,
and Aragon supported the Austrian candidate because of he wanted maintained the same system of the previous Habsburgs.
France lost the international war but won in the peninsula.
Spain had to give it European territories to the winners but the Bourbons had settled in the Spanish throne
and punished Aragon with a new decree("Decretos de nueva planta")that forced it to accept the same laws as Castile.
However, Navarre maintained their own institutions until the liberal reforms of the 19th century that sought the legal unification of the country and the traditional life way of Navarre came into danger, produced a new cycle of wars: the carlist wars.
The name Catalonia has an Arabic origin and is hung from the word Qetal, which means fight. Because there is no letter Q (ق) in Latin languages, it was replaced by the letter C, so Qetal became cetal and pronounced Ketal. As for Cataloni, it means they killed me. And if we convert it to the name of a country in the Arabic language, we must add the suffix a or the suffix ah to become Cataloniah ,Katalonia , Qatalonia or Catalonia Greetings to you from the Arab Republic of Egypt
I thought it had the root as "land of castles"? possibly both?
La première mention du nom Catalunya est dans le Liber Mailichinus écrit entre 1115 et 1155 par Henri de Pise. Plusieurs hypothèses quant à l'origine de Catalunya :
- l'ancien peuple ibère des Laketani, devenu Kastellanoi au II ème siècle (la plus probable),
- le pays des Goths (Gothlandia) ou celui des Goths et des Allains (Gothallandia), (moins probable)
- les gens des châteaux (comme en Castille) : castrum en latin.
L'hypothèse d'un nom d'origine arabe rejoint la troisième option : "Qalat" ou "Qsar" pour château. La Castille comme la Catalogne étaient couvertes de châteaux, forteresses, tours et fortins, car en première ligne pour la Reconquista.
@@lafamilleerre7733 plz type in english
@@HMM.11 Héééé... Difficile... I don't speak english. I try :
The first book where the word "Catalunya" is present is Liber Mailichinus (writer Henri de Pise, 1115/1155). Hypothesis... (?) for the origin of Catalunya :
- iberic people which named "Laketani", becoming Kastellanoi (second century) : very probable... (?) very possible ?
- land of Goth or Goth's land (Gothland, Gothlandia) or land of Goth and Allain (other germanic people) Gothallandia : less possible... less probably ?
- people whom live in castle (like Castilla) : origin castrum in latin language,
This last hypothesis... came with the arab origine hypothesis because Catalunya has many castles to defend the territory against Maure expansion (muslim expansion).
Do you understand ? Sorry for my (very) poor english !
@@lafamilleerre7733 I don't know what your mother tongue is but I suggest you use Google translate if you are weak in English
As for Gotland, it is also derived from Arabic, and it is made up of two syllables, Juth, which means relief, and Land, which means land. By combining the two syllables, it becomes the land of relief.
Jawth means relief in Arabic
Let my friend know that the Arabic language has been influenced by all the languages of the earth, even the Indian, Persian, Maltese, Sicilian, Turkish, Spanish and English languages, due to the spread of Islam in the entire planet, and even recently, Arabic words have been adopted in many languages, such as the words of jihad, God, peace be upon you, and others.
And if the Western media portrayed Muslims and Arabs as terrorists and distorted their image in front of the whole world, which made the whole world hate Arabs and Muslims and deny their virtue, this does not mean that we blur the facts and deny the virtue of Arabs, Muslims and the ancient civilization of Egypt over the whole world, and every human being must study the truth and know the Arabs and Muslims for what they really are.
Do a video on the Basque Country, it's such an interesting place.
Have you considered collaborating with Althisthub or Mr.Z?
Hey, so I'm Catalan, and wanted to give some of my insight on this. From where I see it, the wish of independence and the feeling of alienation of the Catalans has been broiling throughout history, due to the repression of their culture. When the democracy arrived, this manifested itself in the form of the nationalist parties, whose political interest revolves around ideas of independence and cultural preservation (these parties exist for regions like Galicia, Catalonia and País Vasco, which wave their own language and folkloric background)... And fair enough, but I never liked the modern independence movement...
It looks like a very aimless, passion driven political force to me. I've grown up and studied in Catalonian regions, and I have experienced the indoctrination that some (a fair amount) of the teachers perpetrated in their classes (Catalan language was the greatest hornet nest). In these regions, people with traditional backgrounds have been carrying these feelings for a long time, and its not rare to see them manifest these political drives. In fact, this nationalist mindset is very attached to the culture itself.
Of course, these people have played their cards well, making sensationalistic videos in which they are shown as victims of a tyrannic state, sending out pictures of the police brutality they suffered, etc... But DON'T FALL FOR THIS, its a propaganda strategy. Police force was sent in because the local police of those regions (mossos d'esquadra) were wilfully opposing their duties in favor of the nationalist ideology, and so external forces were required. By the way, these "mossos" are no saints, in fact they are fairly well known for their brutality, and there WAS violence on their side too, but of course the ideologues won't show you that. They are not victims, they are manipulators.
If you want to see a BLATANT piece of propaganda on these people's part, watch this. They even took some time off to make it in English! I mean, look at how they talk, like there is some sort of civil war...Very sneaky:
ruclips.net/video/a8mpgoAdJN8/видео.html
I've never been attracted to this movement, in fact I despise it. I've been standing their indoctrination throughout my childhood, and know bullshit when I see it, BUT I personally don't oppose a democratic process to be held in their interest.
Aragón was a confederation with the main city being Barcelona. Catalans had the political leadership and lead also the Mediterranean expansion. That´s why Aragon has the coats of arms of the Counts of Barcelona.
Redrak
A callar panque,si es al revés
Jajajaja eso, no es, cierto, además, el predominio de Barcelona duro hasta principios del siglo XIV, gran parte del mismo y el, siglo XV la ciudad más importante de la corona de Aragón fue Valencia.
@@tonyapaya8807 Cataluña Principado trece reyes en tres siglos, Valencia un siglo y poco mas de capitalidad. Además si Valencia logró tal esplendor, en parte fué por la emigración hacia alli de catalanes por la guerra civil catalana (1462-72)
@@su_morenito_1948 aun más: Aragón cambió sus armas por las barras catalanas como se ve en su escudo actual
More of this Please in detail and Update d for what might happen nxt Year! Pretty PLEASE!! 😁🤗🤓
Excellent explanation and totally correct historically.
You've read much Spanish history, have you?
7:13 sorry but not true at all, as a spaniard and a valencian (we speak valencian which is practically catalan) in Spain we dont mind that catalans have their own language, basques have theirs, galicians too...I have never met anyone, and I know very right wing, independence-opposed people, who wants catalans to speak only spanish. The truth is, thanks to some catalan politicians, it's more the other way round. In Catalonia you can be fined if the name of your business is not in catalan. Children in public schools cannot choose spanish as their first language, even though it is the mother tongue of 50 per cent of the population. It's easy to judge from the outside, especially seeing what happened on Sunday, but things are not black and white.
Yes, but many feel differently about that which is what I said :)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is Valencian a dialect of Catalan or a Catalan-influenced dialect of Spanish? Or would you consider it its own language entirely? Just curious :)
History With Hilbert yes but my point is it's not many, just a minority of extremists as there are in every country. As for valencian, its origin is very uncertain, some believe it was created from a language called "romance" and influenced by arabs and later by catalans. Others think it's just catalan, but in Valencia it has been called that way for around 800 years. What is certain is that it doesn't come from Spanish as it originated in Castilla around the same time. I guess it's the same as portuguese and galician.
Hey, I'm from near Valencia! (what a coincidence I guess)
They have been allowed to speak Catalan, to teach it at school, to have the business signs in Catalan and to teach in Catalan at the universities. What more could they want. I believe this video proves that they are part of Spain and that the same people that conquered Spain in history are the ones that conquered Catalonia. Why do they think they are different? I agree with Pepa, we allow those languages we have, I think 5 different languages in Spain, each with its own grammar, therefore making them official languages and they are allowed to be spoken. It is actually our diversity which we embrace.
And hence why Catalan is frowned upon
I've been to the Spanish part and the french part of Catalonia and they are a lot of support for independence.
music volume got a tad distracting in the second half. gr8 vid tho, cheers!
Nice video! The yellow background wasn't very smart in some cases tho. Still thumbs up and subscribed :) en misschien kun je wat doen over Friesland :))
Ooh hast al dien! Machtig :D dankewol
Pure propaganda, inform yourself better
That map of Spain is not very good. The yellow ocean and yellow land is somewhat difficult to see.
Noted, I'll make sure to avoid that next time
You haven't noticed the sky and the sea in Spain is orange or yellow. Hollywood movies are the proof. And be careful with the bulls running through the streets. xd
Actually Ferdinand of Aragon was also castillian, in fact Ferdinand and Isabella were both from the same noble family, the Trastamara. The truth turning point in the history of Spain was 1411 when Saint Vincent of Valencia endorsed a Castillian King for the Aragon Crown.
what's up with the Netherlands in your videos? Could someone explain?
i think he is from the netherlands
why not state the years these events took place? You said Sept 11th but of what year?
Yes please tell us more about Catalonia.
It was a good an neutral review of the situation. The reason the kingdom of Aragon and hence Catalonia suported the Hapbsburg in the Sucesion wars was because they promised to keep the status quo, the rights, laws and privileges. However the Borbon (french house) won the war, they wanted to unite the country and abolish the ”old situation”. The regions that belonged to the Kingdom of Aragon (not only Catalonia) lost their rights, laws and privileges. It is true but is more of an excuse than a reason for independence. The real reason is as always money. Catalonia is one of the most industrialized parts of Spain (financed by the central government) and decided that they are better off of all the burdens of paying taxes and supporting other regions.
I would love to see a video about current events!
Welp, you just got a new subscriber. :)
As a Catalan, I can guarantee you that this problem isn't as easy as it seems. The problem is not with Spain itself, but with the corrupt politicians of the pp party, which now have been ruling Spain for more than 5 years, driving it further into disaster. Although this thought radicalised rapidly throughout the last years, turning it into a general hate against Spain. I've been living for 12 years now in Barcelona, I was born here, I was raised here and I left when I was 12 years old. I can assure you totally that it isn't as dramatic as it may seem. In Barcelona, in fact in Catalonia as whole, wealth never disappeared, not even during the years of the great crisis. It's still one of the wealthiest(if not the most) of Spain, and it's due to(among other things) the geographic location, the proportionally higher population, the industrial centres, and of course, Barcelona. It's very sad that in the moments like now, when we should be united against the real problems, some people just ignore the facts and want (as always) a extreme, fast, and efficient solution, like the declaration of independence from Spain, which as we all are often told, will make things considerably better. I don't want to disappoint you, but this is just a mere, big, fat lie. It's based on both left and right-wing rethoric, which has been used for decades, in order to transform the Catalan people into a 'Last bastion of civilization in the Iberian peninsula',which is just extremely ridiculous. In Catalonia one can live very very good, in one of the most wealthy regions, of one of the most wealthy countries on this planet.
Cataluña es un región no un pais
+Juanlu Lourido Por poco tiempo
Yes " United we stand, divided we fall" . The Iberians of Spain need to remember all their history and not just the romantic parts of it this includes the Catalans as well. Chinese like to speak of a century of Humiliation, but if we look at Spain it seems they have been experiencing several centuries of Humiliation. This is all because of selfishness and tribalism.
Noone believe this guy... he is just another brainwashed kid, PP is the politic party returning Spain to good times, political lefties hate enything that has do with the right wing, they live in the past.
And I add that the "partido popular" according to statistics it's the most corrupt party in Europe.
jugospaña
This a has too be the best comment under this video
Can someone please tell me the location of 7:07
That Pronunciation was so beautiful
Cody from AlternateHistoryHub is that you?
Do U know what a Democracy is? In a Democracy the people vote the laws (like New England town halls). With a Republic, elected representatives vote the laws. do you no err by saying Spain became a democracy after Franco?
Here's where you're wrong, Spain is not a democracy. They can call themselves a democracy but they're not. A real democracy would allow the people to make important decisions which Spain does not. However, the fact that Spain is not a democracy but a constitutional monarchy makes them more insistent on letting Catalonia balkanize from Spain. If anything, I think Spain is just too constitutional.
*Not letting
I LOVE all your videos except: Why does every video you play have a sudden break (here at 2:55) into that picture showing a flag while playing a national anthem (I think that is what it is?) What country is that? Is that country the an important part (or more important than other countries) or the main point of the video? Often you don't even explain why, like we are supposed to understand why you showed that bit. Why did you show that bit this time (for example), you did not even say why (I'm guessing they were on one side of the War of Spanish secession, but you did not even say so, nor did you say what side they were on, and somehow the presentation of that bit seemed to indicate it was a VERY important detail, but you left me wondering how the they were part, and how they are more important than Catalonia or Spain in this video, as that bit implies.) What country is it? I am guessing it is the Netherlands or something (based on the timing when it appears in other videos) but, in reality, I don't know for sure (since you don't tell us), nor do you rarely explain why it appears in all or most of your videos. It is some sort of running joke? Are you Dutch? I know that isn't the current Dutch flag, so it is from somewhere else?
Where can I listen to the rest of this Dutch National Anthem version?