Why Is Spain Fighting Itself? Inside Catalonian Independence
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- UPDATE: The Spanish Constitutional Court just annulled Catalonia's declaration of independence.
Catalonia - one of the major regions in Spain - is battling to declare independence and become its own country. We traveled to the area to hear different perspectives on the independence movement and witness the massive demonstrations firsthand.
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"I am Spanish" chanting set to the tune of the Russian song "Kalinka". That was unexpected.
That chant is sooo normal here. Specially because of soccer.
Oh, cool :)
well, keep in mind, they do have an identity crisis after all xD
jajaja totalmente
Andrew Power we have been singing that for years
Guys, I'm Spanish and I must thank the work you've done here reporting the situation. I'm sort of tired of this, because people who don't understand that democracy is supposed to be about being able to CHOOSE, are never gonna understand it. I must say I'm not Catalonian, but I believe those who are have the right to say whether they want to keep on being part of Spain or not, even if I myself don't want Catalonia to become independent. What I've just said is a matter of opinion (at least I want to believe that), but the violence you've shown on the video is pure brutality, and it can't be justified at all. A lot of values and ways of thinking have arised with independence, values which had been hidden for a long time that let you see how people really are. I want to thank you again for covering the news, great job!
It's not like if nyc or berlin became independent of their country, Catalonia is not a city, is an autonomous community （spain is divided in lots of autonomous communities...like the US is divided in states）.
If it was ILLEGAL the voters knew that authorities were going to come and they had clear instructions which were not allowing them to vote because it is ILLEGAL, and i f people get in the way of the police doing theyre job they have no other choice than to result in violence.
Jacobo Zunzunegui que sea ILEGAL no quiere decir que haya que zurrar a los que votaron. Imaginate que en un control de alcoholemia das positivo. Es ILEGAL pero es completamente desproporcionado emplear la violencia. Lo mismo con el referendum. Era ILEGAL asi que se les deja votar y cuando acaba todo no se le da validez y punto. Te ahorras los 800 heridos.
Pero que no tiene nada que ver si algo es illegal no lo puedes dejar a que pase, tienes que pararlo en el momento. A ver no defiendo toda la violencia y claro que se pasaron un poco pero tampoco se les podia dejar votar.
This is true and strangely some in California desire to be independent of the rest of the states, what is different?
@esmurrembam you are right! A very disappointed comparison from Beme News. They should compare regions, not cities, with autonomous culture and economy to each other. Like Texas from the U.S. and Bavaria from Germany.
As a Dominican living in Spain (married to a Catalan woman and father of a Mallorquin baby) I’m sort of at the center of all this. I do believe you’ve done a good job of telling half the story (Catalan perspective). What I believe is missing is the non-Catalan perspective (both the objective minority and the narrow-minded and brain-washed by the right wing, where many people are). Happy to help you find people on all sides of this.
Thank you Beme News, this actually helps a lot. The world has to know and understand what is going on here.
Foreign people don’t really get what’s going on. I apreciate you guys trying to show it in the best way possible but you don’t explain it very well...
Yo iba a decir lo mismo, se han dejado muchas cosas en el tintero..
Carlos Villegas what did they miss?
Carlos Villegas I think they did ok, missed that Catalonia already has autonomy and power...
Wout so it's like Tibet and Hong Kong
Ekana Stone nope. Not even close.
I'm from Barcelona and I have been carefully following this political confrontation for years, which only recently appears to be reaching levels never seen before. Democracy is a beautiful word, and separatists constantly use that word to justify their actions. However, what this video fails to address is that all the political milestones that the Catalan regional government have been achieving are ANYTHING but democratic. To put it into perspective, in the Catalan parlament, separatists represent 47% (official numbers) of the population while non separatists represent 53%. However, they have a narrow majority of seats which has allowed them to carry through their so called "proces" (process for independence). They approved both the law for the referendum and the law for disconnection without allowing the opposition congressmen make amendments (BASIC right never violated before in that parliaments history) and both laws went against both the Spanish constitution and the estatut (essentially the Catalan constitution). The laws were passed with SIMPLE MAJORITY (any referendum around the world demands QUALIFIED majority, but they knew they didn't have the seats for that), and the laws did not state any minimum participation for the voting, because they knew non separatists would NOT vote as a form of protest. Overall, its a political movement based on imposing one sides believes and ideology through a regional government that has no interest or affection for the other half of the population that does not share their views. As a regional government they can legally and legitimately strive for independence by collecting the necessary support in madrid to ammend the national constitution, this legalizing a regional referendum. People that don't live in Catalonia have no idea what its like to not be represented or defended by your regional government, SEPARATISTS are NOT the victims here people. Thats all I wanted to say, hope it gives you guys more insights on the situation, have a good one!
Thank you. Your comment is sorely needed. Having spent many years in Spain, I have seen well how the independence movement treads roughshod over everyone else. The propaganda on TV 3 and in the Catalan streets and schools is offensive.
Well you haven't been following very well then. Separatists are 47% and the remaining 53% are comprised of unionists and people who don't support any choice.
Albert Balbastre-Morte Seriously? ciudadans, Psc, PP and comuns are not for independence. Try to read a bit more, in the 2015 elections Mas turned the parliament elections into a referendum, and lost the "referendum" with a support of only 47%. Sorry but you can't have it both ways.
You did the job but not very well. The facts of why people is pro independent are not true and if people don't know that is gonna be imposible for them to understand both sites...
Gregori Martínez i may say something called Estatut d.Autonomia and 1714
This is the closest thing I've seen from foreign people trying to explain the situation in Spain, but I have to say as well (since I'm from Spain) that the situation is no exactly like that. But I really like how you explained it all tho
Comparing NY with Catalonia is stupid and absurd. At this point I stopped the video, since the title of the video is also missleading. Catalonia is a nation, with its own language, culture, political parties...
seriously, if you decide to start covering international news you might as well do a FACT CHECK, BEFORE CLICKING UPLOAD
Its amazing how people that are not spanish look to us ( Im from Spain btw). I personally dont support any of both sides spanish parlament neither catalunya independentists. However I think the problem is caused by both sides. I mean if the spanish parlament would have approved some years back a legal referendum probably the mayority of "catalonians" would say NO, but after the videos and news (that btw are pretty much manipulated by both sides depending of where you extract the information) right now I think catalunya's citizens would vote YES. Also the catalunya's parlament did approach this referendum pretty badly costing them a huge downfall in economic strength. I dont know the exact number but hundreds and even one thousand of companies relocated their headquarters outside of Catalunya. So if catalonians want to be independent they probably have no euro and also no companies to support the economic weakness. Dont forget that all these is just because of money.
Diego Artazcoz im Spanish too and I'm strongly agreed with you mate
Really agree!! From an other Spaniard💪
Diego Artazcoz
I'm not Spanish but your point of view makes a lot of sense. I'm Canadian and also Québécois, and even if our situation is different, I can certainly draw some parallel with your's.
As an outsider looking in, I agree that both sides hold responsibility here. Though I really think the Spanish government has been terrible at handling this and is responsible for much of the escalation of the situation. Spain really should've addressed the issues ages ago. If they did, the secession movement probably would've settled down on its own.
I. Spanish but I'm from andaluthia so everyone hates us!😂
wow this is pretty crazy. thanks for making this. wouldn't have known this was a thing if you didn't make this. thanks for keeping me educated :P
(I'm from Spain) this video is so well done guys. Thank you and congratulations. Keep growing this project because this is going to be BIG
Keep up the great work!
Great struture of the program and great hosts. Thumbs up from here
I am also from Spain but I live in the US. I am seeing a lot of comments saying that they didn’t do a good job and that it is very late.
I disagree with that.
I do agree that a little earlier or a bit more explanation including the economic impact would have been a lot better, but I understand how it is being viewed from the US. That is why I think it is well done.
Other than that, I want to say thank-you to everyone on Beme for giving us this first person news.
I'm from Spain, I really like this RUclips channel, but in this case you didn't explained well the situation both sides have reasons on what they are doing and both have done things they shouldn't but you didn't explain the beginning of the independence movement in Catalonia and why it is illegal to do a referendum like that in Spain. In my opinion, you should have investigated more on the subject and be more impartial instead of being sensationalist
The Spanish government hasn’t handled this situation properly, but it seems pretty clear that separation is worse for both sides. The Catalonians would have to create their own government after separation (which could cause instability) and wouldn’t be a part of the EU. They would be cut off from the rest of Europe. These people need to calm down. They aren’t being discriminated against, they are breaking the law and facing the consequences.
I’m catalan and I just two things to say:
1 thank you for bringing this conflic here and show both sides, and thanks for not picking a side
2 i only have one thing that i have to correct of all, please don’t say that catalans want the independence, as you have said in the video only 40% are
Thanks for all and keep awesome
The only thing I will say is: Thank you for showing both sides, I'm happy to see that you do better journalism than most spanish newspapers.
P.S. Last news! They declared the independence today (again) and the Spanish Government triggered the 155.
Just to say that this video was amazing! And it deserves much more views than it has!
Loving these short videos on relevant topics. Thanks!
I am glad you try to explain the current state of the issue here in Spain, but you failed to do it accurately. If you wanted to be impartial, yoy should have conducted a deeper research and showed more facts defending both positions.If I didn’t know the facts, with this video I would have thought that the Spanish Government is “brutally” oppressing Catalonia
Nicolás Santamaría *The whole truth about this matter* 1- Catalonia is a nationality and has never been politically independent of Spain, nor was it or is it a nation. 2- There are 7 million Catalans, but only 2 million are independentists. 3 - It is false that the Catalans want independence for 300 years, but it appears with the end of the Spanish empire in 1809, being always a very minority and marginal movement. 4- It is false that Spain is economically a burden for Catalonia, on the contrary, Catalonia was enriched thanks to the treatment of favor historically received from Spain. 5- The Spanish Constitution allows a referendum of self-determination to be held but it establishes that all Spaniards have the right to vote, this the Catalans do not accept. 6- The Catalan independence movement is inspired by an anti-Spanish sentiment based on historical lies, in the black legend against Spain, and in a victimist discourse. 7- The political autonomy of Catalonia is not suspended but the administration is intervened or supervised, and within three weeks there will be regional elections and those who win the elections will govern. 8- In Spain there is no anti-Catalan feeling, on the contrary, they receive privileged treatment. 9- In Europe, and throughout the world, absolutely nobody recognizes the legitimacy of the Catalan Republic illegaly and antidemocraticaly proclamed by Carles Puigdemont.
I like how some people, claiming to be from Spain, just write in the comments "hey I'm from there and you did poor job" but for some reason don't care enough to educate us on what's really happening there...
Wealthy should pay for poor or inequality will always be bad. They should be a bit better off but rich people also have a bigger responsibility towards their country as they are the country's biggest earners and should ensure the welfare of that country. So if catalonia wants to leave, then send in military.
Hi! I'm from Spain and I have to say that Catalonia's independence it is something that cames from hundreds years ago, and if you don't live here un Spain it is really difficult to understand what happends, and also to explain it on a RUclips coment...😅
First of all, Catalonia's politicians had lied so much to their citizien, telling the rest of the country hates them, the Spanish central goverment steal their money, that they have been punished through the history by the Spanish goverment... But what they don't say is that the lastest presidents of Catalonia are investigated because of stealing public money from Catalonia, that they are the Comunidad Autónoma with most debt with the central goverment...
1st October was also a difficult situation, with the police and the votes (the goverment of Catalonia told un the results of the referendum that there was more votes than people that voted, there is a video where you can see people voting in the middle of the street without any control, or an other one where some people are carrying boxes to the schools and the boxes fall and there were already votes, before it arrive to the school, and for example many peolpe took a selfie voting in many different schools...).
So to sum up, either the central goverment (they through that if they left the idea of independence out of the talks in the goverment it would go away) and the Catalonia's goverment (they are lying to their citiziens and breaking the "law of laws": the Constitution) made everything wrong.
I could talk about this a whole day, but as I said, it is really difficult to understand, even for Spanish people, but if you want to know anything else you could ask me, I'm really interested on this problem because it is dividing my country...
THANK YOU FOR READING!!!
I just read a coment down there that said two politicians were in jail because they do pacific manifestations, but it is wrong, it is a very long story...
Also I forgot to comment about the manipulation by the Autonomic television and the schools.
You can see the difficult situation right now and the difficult solution...
I read a lot of more coments from Spaniards down here, and they explain more points of the problem and the situation. Go and check it!!
Beme team: thank you for directing attention to an issue that can change a lot of things. I am half Spanish, and it is really stressful to see this situation in a country that has offered me a lot and where my family came from. I believe that approaching both perspectives is excellent. This problem has two sides of the story, which are impossible to define which one is correct. In 10 minutes, you definitely gave a broad idea of an issue that can affect an entire nation, an entire community. I hope people watching this video research more about it because just 10 minutes are not enough to explain this entire issue.
You shouldn't say that Catalonia's request for Indepedence would be similar to NYC asking to get out of the US , they have a different cultures , different languages. ...it was not a good intro . Might have compared it to Scotland or the province of Quebec to Canada ,it would be more accurate .
Awesome job on this video! It wraps up hours of article reading - perfecto.
Great job guys, before hitting play I had my doubts that you would manage to remain unbiased, but you did it.
I feel many sub sections of countries would like to be independent. Would london like to be independent? Probably yes. However, countries are whole. Thought I’m not politician so don’t ask me.
Should people be able to vote if they want to be a independent country? I think they should, Catalonia isn't that small, and Barcelona isn't the capital city of Spain, and people all around Spain hate catalan people, even dough they are the ones that mean greater part of the spanish economy which they benefit from. But catalans are different and want to express their rights, so let's hate them! The only real reason to keep catalans away from voting is that the spanish constitution (which was written 2 years after francoism) forbids it. But then, I ask: Are laws made for people or people made for laws? I thinks laws are made for people, so I think the consitution should be changed and let ALL catalans express themselves, without violence and without catalanofoby. :)
I liked this episode a lot. I think the ending felt a bit like an add on that wasn’t planned at all.
Maybe with the new events it should have had another 1-3 minutes added explaining more.
I also don’t feel like it represented the two sides well, which was a main point. If I hadn’t read outside of this I wouldn’t really understand the context of what is happening.
Episodes are getting better! Hope the feedback helps!
The referendum was illegal because the Constitutional Court declared that, not because the Spanish government happens to say it was.
Wooooow that "locatincg Madrid move" was a total lose. I really enjoyed it anyway. You did a great job showing the entire picture. Greeting from Spain.
It's interesting to see the difference between Spain's heavy-handed and threatening approach and the way the British behaved when Scotland recently had a referendum for independence.
Today is an important day here in Catalonia, the president call elections because they don't want the Spanish government to apply the 155 article but we don't know if the Spanish government will do it any way. This is a serious thing because now the Spanish government may apply this article and some things they are "threatening" us with are not very legal...
Really, reaaally like the format. Keep the going work going!
It's nice that Beme gives testimonies and comments from actual people, but I prefer the video by Vox. It's more to the point and you know exactly what's going on with no unnecessary extra information. And the video is shorter, which is nice
That guy at 6:15 pretty much summed up the political intentions behind the referendum
1) 4:35 There were about 1 million people supporting the union, not a few thousands.
2) 10:15 With the article 155 the Spanish government doesn't take away Catalonia's autonomy, but new elections are forced to take place because of their government not obeying the law. It's reasonable.
Update: The majority of the catalan government is in prison, without being judged, or on exile in Brussels. The election on 21 December, called by the Spanish goverment, was won by the pro independence alliance.
In the documentary you talk about polls saying that 6 of 10 catalans being against independence. The best poll is a referendum where everybody goes to vote, and that's what Spain doesn't allow using violence.
This is exceptional reporting, keep up the great work guys.
You left out that over 1000 business have left Catalonia since October 1st.
You also left out a lot of stuff, and it would have been nice if you found some anti-independence catalans to interview! Other than that, great job, this is a complex issue and it's hard to explain in less than 11 minutes.
About 2500 bussiness have left by today November 19th
they kind of doxxed that guy by pointing to who he was in the video, someone could definitely still find him through the original uncensored video.....
The actions of the spanish government on October 1st were horrible, many people were hurt and the central government didn't accept they were wrong inforcing police brutality. But the referendum wasn't legal, there is no way of accurately counting the votes because the people counting them wanted independence. The spanish government should consider a legal referendum, but they won't and Catalonia is divided between independentists, non-independentists and loads of people that don't agree how things are being done on either side. It's a very complex and lengthy problem and though I admire that you weren't bias towards any side, it's very hard to explain everything that's going on here. Btw I'm from Catalonia. No hate intendes towards any side.
Thank you for this perspective. Liked the more newsy format.
Thanks for trying to clarify this issue! And thanks for showing both sides of the story.
Thank you for the journalism job you did in this video, you really kept it to the facts and you were objective. Here in Spain media is totally manipulated (from one side or the other) and sometimes is difficult to see which is the reality.
I hope you can make an updated video a few months from now! :)
It’s called abiding by the Spanish constitution. You can’t just call a referendum and walk. Other areas of Spain also have a say.
Thanks for this channel
Jake is my favorite speaker on BemeNEWS other than Casey at HQ. Great work Jake "and Neha covering in the field, solid reporting. 👍
Nicely done - really enjoyed this. If you ever do a Scottish Independence video, I'll be the first to help out 😊
Hey Beme team, please take care about numbers because you say 800 injured people but the real numbers it’s around 2, yes 2. Try reading another international news and see what really happens.
And the most important thing is that democratic elections have been called in which all the political parties will be present. So on December 21 we will know with certainty that it will happen. But summoned from the formulas of democracy. Not by imposition of a minority. Regardless of what happens judicially with these politicians who have not addressed the real problems of the Catalan people. Problems of waiting for surgical operations, economic aid for the poor, development of infrastructures. They dedicated their effort to impose to decree like the dictators their independence.
Me, as a German, i really would love to see your prospective of the "moving right" situation in europe espacially in recent german election. @Beme News is such a cool "news flash" on really moving stories
thank you, I do not watch news, because there's not enough detail explaining how and why, your report was much more enlightening on the subject than any on television here in europe
I did not know this was taking place? It's very sad.
Thanks to "Beme News" for opening my closed eyes.
Great reporting by Neha and Beme. I hadn't seen much coverage on the Catalonians that prefer to remain with Spain so it was good to see that side of the story.
Love the video. I suggest using a font that isn't purely white. It's difficult to read when it blends into the background. Maybe just place it on a thin black bezel on the bottom of the screen?
It is very important to understand that all 'minorities' were oppressed during the Francoist regime. Valencia, Pais Vasco, Galicia etc all those were banned from speaking their regional language and having their own celebrations. It was not hatred towards Catalunya alone, it's was to autonomies and subcultures within the country
If you feel that Beme reporting is inaccurate you should address your concerns to the owners, CNN.
I think there is a lack of rigor in the video. In my opinion, and with the knowledge that I have, on the subject that you are presenting today. Many aspects of the Catalan problem have been skipped.
In the Catalan parliament elected democratically in 2015, there is a minority that considers the independence movement as an option. They approve in an illicit way a referendum to vote. I explain. 38% of the parliamentary chamber approves a law to convene the referendum, which in order to be valid according to the statutes must be with 51% of the votes of the Catalan parliamentary chamber and it was not. The constitutional court corroborates that this law approved without a majority of 51% is illegal, so it has been denied the possibility of making that referendum.
But, the components of that 38% of the Catalan parliamentary chamber, ignore the constitutional court and on October 1, they hold elections. Without having an absolute majority. That is why they are accused of sedition, embezzlement and corruption. Its not Franco, which is dead. Or any other claim that is not logical on a Country that hold a Old Democracy,
I writes as Spaniard that belongs to one of the oldest regions that makes up the Spanish kingdom. "Galicia", the kingdom that begets the births of Castile, Leon and Portugal. We have our own languages a the same problems that was showed by Jordi. And I have to said, that it is a old history that is not real on this time.
Julio Pérez Suárez *The whole truth about this matter* 1- Catalonia is a nationality and has never been politically independent of Spain, nor was it or is it a nation. 2- There are 7 million Catalans, but only 2 million are independentists. 3 - It is false that the Catalans want independence for 300 years, but it appears with the end of the Spanish empire in 1898, being always a very minority and marginal movement. 4- It is false that Spain is economically a burden for Catalonia, on the contrary, Catalonia was enriched thanks to the treatment of favor historically received from Spain. 5- The Spanish Constitution allows a referendum of self-determination to be held but it establishes that all Spaniards have the right to vote, this the Catalans do not accept. 6- The Catalan independence movement is inspired by an anti-Spanish sentiment based on historical lies, in the black legend against Spain, and in a victimist discourse. 7- The political autonomy of Catalonia is not suspended but the administration is intervened or supervised, and within three weeks there will be regional elections and those who win the elections will govern. 8- In Spain there is no anti-Catalan feeling, on the contrary, they receive privileged treatment. 9- In Europe, and throughout the world, absolutely nobody recognizes the legitimacy of the Catalan Republic illegaly and antidemocraticaly proclamed by Carles Puigdemont.
I agree... but the end of the empire was on 1898
Julio Pérez Suárez absolutely correct, typo corrected!
From the river to the sea Catalina will be free 😂
Hold on... you showed public news footage of the guy who wanted to stay anonymous with some sort of blur around his head. How much effort do you think it would take to find out who that guy is by just reviewing the news clips? If you want to protect your sources, I think you'll need to do better.
This is so late
Tbh not exactly, the latest update in the video is from 4 days ago, and I don't think it's the intention of Beme to be current and to the minute. It's more along the lines of investigative journalism, and that stuff takes time.
I'm agreeing with @lashan, I saw a glimpse of the protest in the beginning of the month but then forgot about until beme team prepared something for us updates. Nothing wrong with that.. They're doing a great job
Freddie Pascoe I didn’t know anything about this so who cares if it was late
Drew Carr in Europe tho this is at least 2 weeks old and I knew all the info anyway
all of their videos are so late
Comparing Catatonia to New York or Berlin is insane. Catatonia has a unique history, language, and culture.
I have old eyes ,if you need to use subtitles make them bigger so we can see them on portable devices .
Use a world view not a US view when reporting .Keep up the good work .
I am from spain, and what shocked me the most is that you compare the franco’s dictatorship with what happended in catalonia, and that is insane. Everyone in spain suffered, vasconians, people from Galicia and the Rest of spain. And to add more, at the end of the dictatorship, catalonia was given a form os selfgovernment that any other autonomous community in spain has or even in europe. The journalist work and the research you have done here is very poor, you are misinforming, and only showed one side of the coin and picturing it like they are victims of an authoritarial government, wich is not true. You should do a better Job, or at least be objective, but if you are going to do it like this, better stay out of it, encause is a very complex and delicate situation, wich affects Many people, and is very low of you do it this way. I respect you and I like the platform, I am a huge fan of casey long ago, but I am really disappointed with the way you showed this.
The propaganda of the independence movement is nauseating. So many Americans give opinions with no background or discernment, i.e. historical, cultural or political. The independence movement promotes hatred, a manipulated version of history, its own self-will regardless of anyone else, and a propagandistic rendition of the country of Spain. Who and what does that serve?
Dude, come on. The Basque Contry is more autonomous than Catalonia. I swear to God I don't understand where people get these turn of phrases.
There was no comparison between Franco and current day Spain. He referred to the man who said that his treatment by the police during the protest reminded him of his childhood under the Franco dictatorship. Neha also talked to people both sides of the issue. Did you stop the video after 4 minutes?
No I didn't, I watch the whole video, so no need to play the smart ass card, I was only giving my opinion. By the way, minute 2:41 the guy who is doing the show, after showing images and playing an interview to a catalan talking about the dictatorship, says that what happened the referendum day brought memories back to the guy who is doing the second interview because it seems like the times of Franco and also feared the retaliation of the government (wich is ridiculous). So before attacking please pay more attention.
Guillermo Lopez La base del problema castellano-catalán es mucho más antigua y se debe al choque de distintas culturas y mentalidades. El problema no es de Cataluña, es de España y hay que hablar sobre lo que es la nación española, pues esta debe representarnos a todos y no solo a Castilla.
The Spanish demonstration with people from all over Spain, is smaller than the line to go to the bathroom in a demonstration of independence
Franco was 40 years ago.. i am Catalán. Catalonia Must look to the future and open to the World instead of creating problema for everyone.
I never heard anything about this. Thanks for reporting on this.
I apreciatte how you guys make the effort so people from outside Spain can undestand what´s going on here and I must say you did a pretty good job. Most news sources abroad just stick to police violence and don´t bother going further but you guys did. But I must also say that you make it sound way more simple than it actually is. During the video you make Spain look like some country that it isn´t. I mean you blur that man´s face so that he doesn´t arrested by the government as if we were some kind of north korea. What I´m trying to say is that even though you made a pretty good job your article is lacking some very important stuff.
Let’s not be confused. Spain is an internationally recognized country. Rule of law should prevail. The reference to Kennedy is very appropriate: the USA and other democratic countries defend the legality just as the government of Spain is doing. All of the democratic institutions of the Spanish State and the European Union have agreed that it was not Spain but the regional government and the Catalan parliament who suspended the self-governance of Catalonia and derogated both the region’s autonomy Statute as well as the 1978 Constitution. Now, the Government of Spain -which includes Catalonia and ALL Catalans- is restoring legality and self-government and calling for Regional elections within 6 months.
thanks to beme for covering this story cause i didn’t even know this was going on. good to be aware!
Would usa let texas go with the oil
Do a story on the Las Vegas shooting and all the conspiracies
I am catalan and independentist, and I think there's a huge lack of information and images, like two of our leading politicians being prisioned for defending their freedom.
You should study more in depth the history you are talking about...
Their finished now
No one cares about it. This is spain fool
I think we should also talk about how kids are getting brainwashed in schools in Catalonia. No 6 year old should be forced to choose a political side...no school playground in Spain should have speaking in Spanish forbidden...no kid should be marginalized because their parents think "differently"...Let's not forget that Catalonia is one of the most autonomous states within a country in Europe. They have their own parliament, education system, health care system, police...
You forgot to say that thousands of business big and smalls left catalonia as fear of being out of the eurozone
Over a thousand have left too because catalonia isnt capable of mantaining itself. There was some information leaked from catalonia's government that said that if in january they were independent, in june they would not even have money to mantain any tipe of social structure. Catalan politicians have stolen millions in cash and hidden it in Andorra (the country), and Andorra is making public all bank accountance so justice can be brought, and so they stop being a fiscal paradise. If they get independence before that happens spanish jurisdiction wont affect them. And theyll keep the stolen money. All independence movement is because of that.
But they did not leave Catalunya, saying they did is totally wrong. They move their oficial address out of catalunya, the business remain the same. Do business in my country, pay taxes... Nothibg change.
By moving to spain they make sure to stay in Europe, that's it
No they did not move out.They moved their registered office from Barcelona to Madrid.All it means is moving a brass plate from one city to another.The Catalonian people should take action against these companies.they could start by removing their money from banks that moved their registered head office.That would cause disaster for the banks and teach them not to get involved in politics.
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Granted I'm not from Spain, but removing Catalonian government seems like it will only incite both pro independence and anti independence factions within Catalonia. I see where the Spanish government is coming from, but I'm not sure if that's the way to go in this situation. It seems like they will only further alienate Catalonia by doing this.
The population of Extremadura and Andalucía WERE treated as second-class population since Franco decided no to invest enough money there, but did it in other regions such as Catalonia, amongst others.
You guys didn’t get it right.... many other things needed to be told.
Best episode so far
So I still don't understand this at all. So will this end up being like the US Civil War? Or is it going to just fizzle out? Seriously confused. Great video, but I think that it is just a really complex problem.
Why on earth at 6:58 is someone showing a royal mail postal bag, the UK postal service???
Thanks so much for this!!
I whish you hadn't produced this video. It has happened to me several times in the past with other news sources. When a news source touches a theme you really know about and understand... you learn how reliable that source is. I know it must difficult job.... The question rises... are their other stories as "unreliable as this one"? Maybe it was too early for you to go "international"., specially with somebody that seems to report only with what little info she was able to get in a quick trip over there....
Perhaps you should read the comments a few times. Lots of complaints relating to how you're reporting; specifically about getting the facts right; and about how late you are with the story. I love your concept but I think you need to improve the way you're doing it. On the tech side, reporter should be able to give us better audio. Not professional enough for me.
There's only one problem Spain said not today and Catalonia is no longer independent and their leader is facing rebellion charges and fled to Belgium.
muh 8 seconds of independence
At 9.56 your video states they have been dialogue between the President of Catalonia and the President of Spain this is incorrect as Spain has a King and is a Constitutional monarchy. Mariano Rajoy is the Prime Minister of Spain.
One of the many foreigners trying to understand us... This situation goes way back further than you explained. But the thing is Cataluña can't be separated from us since they would be economically unstable now that many companies are leaving them. And many people who want to be and continue to be Spanish would be leaving too.
Thank anyway for trying, Beme.
You need to update. Catalonia became independant yesterday!
And you are missing the point, freedom of speech was the key of all this, while Spanish government didn't want Catalonia to vote but they (Spanish gov.) didn't want to dialogue either. This lack of freedom of speech makes it look like when in dictatorship time. And to make it even clearer, now they approved article 155 which makes them take control over the Catalan gov.
It seems we are in the early begining of the 20th century instead of the 21st...
Too bad they don’t realise how important the EU is for their prosperity and that they’ll never get into the EU because Spain has to agree with this.
Confusing situations in Catalonia and Kosovo
Pandora's box would be opened if someone recognized Kosovo as an independed State - said a politician from Serbia. And afterwards it continued happening throughout the world.
First came Crimea, then Kurdistan and now it's Catalonia.
Many people compare Kosovo and Catalonia, but they are totally different cases.
Kosovo was always a part of Serbia, where the Serbs were born as a nation. There are lots of Serbian monuments and historical artifacts from the so called "Golden Age" of Serbian history in Kosovo. In one word: a significant part of the historical past and tradition of one nation.
And Catalonia as far as I know existed in the past as an independed country and they are a distinct nation what Spanish government deny and not allowing them to declare themselves as Catalans.
With that situation in the past they preserved their language, history and culture and love to their region.
The other thing that may confuse some people is that Catalonia wants to organize a referendum o let people to vote whether do they want stay with Spain or not.
But Kosovo didn't have that. Kosovo declared independence with support from the USA and the story was over.
In addition, Kosovo has the only and the biggest millitary base on the Balkans called ''Bondsteel'' and thus, we have to think and understand why all of that happened and happening and for what reason.
STOP MOVING YOUR HANDS IF YOU WANT TO HOLD MY ATTENTION
Jack, the way you talk about the protest in favor of spanish unity is a bit ambigue, that protest brought people from all over spain (I live in Barcelona, and saw it from my own eyes) so basically it can't represent the 6out10 (your own words) in favor of unity...
When US got independent it was illegal according to England's law, also there where people that wanted the independence and people that didn't want to
I think the description of this video deserves an extra update, it shall say that half of the catalan government (democratically elected) have been jailed.
Pau Casajuana Mestre: “I think the description of this video deserves an extra update, it shall say that half of the catalan government (democratically elected) have been jailed.”
A Catalan government, democratically elected, that has been doing illegal things during the last months (even against its own Catalan legislation).
If you want to update ... :)
The referendum was legal, according to the catalan "Llei de Referèndum" (Referendum law) that was debatet, voted and aproved in the catalan parliment on the 7th of september.
That is NOT true.
According to the legislation in force in the democratically elected Catalan parliament (that of which you are so proud), the affirmative vote of two thirds of the chamber was necessary (101 votes) and the secessionist government approved it with 72 votes, which, even under the democratic Catalan legislation was illegal.
I'm not an expert in law, at all. But don't you think that in a democratic state such as Spain, the referendum should be legal? (I'm sure that if the referendum would have been held correctly, the unionists would have won).
PS: I didn't say I'm proud of the catalan government, I just say that it was elected democraticaly.
And I'm not proud of the central government either (I did not vote for them). Also, I am very sad about what I saw on Sunday, October 1st and I really think it was a big mistake, but it does not really matter what we think.
The issue is that we are civilized people and we have laws, and that is how the system works. If you do not agree, you have to change the system from within, not becoming an outlaw.
In the end, if the Catalan secessionists were 90% (as they swear) or at least 76% of the inhabitants of Catalonia, no one could have stopped the birth of a new nation. Their politicians took them to a pointless situation where nobody supports them, because they are a minority within Catalan society. That is the HUGE point.
"If the Catalans want freedom, they DESERVE it". That's right. The problem is that the secessionists are not THE Catalans. Sorry.
Hello I’m from Aragon the region right next to cataluña, and i think the beme team hasn’t talk about, why the local police did not close the schools and the disadvantages of breaking with Spain this would mean a Cataluña outside of the UE with millions in debts with Spain and with the European Central Bank and all of the companies that have been leaving cataluña (2000 by now) going to other parts of spain.
I would have wanted to see this info if i wasn’t Spanish and I watch this video I would have thought why does the government not let cataluña to go away?
I missed some important information even though I am not keen on every decision the Spanish government has taken