Man, could you imagine if an entire AI rebellion regarded as an existential threat took place and was defeated between games? That'd be pretty annoying!
@westrim It wasn’t, we’re shown in infinite how it ended. Yeah I’m still pissed we didn’t get to see more of the created conflict, but that’s what happens when Reddit throws a tantrum after a character turns evil.
This feels like a recurring issue for Space War settings with travel between systems measured in less than years; when whoever holds the orbitals can just pound the ground, there's not much room for ground actions beyond storming key points, for which marines are better suited than dedicated ground forces. Holding a planet doesn't matter unless the time cycles are long enough for it to produce resources instead of being a logistical sink, and you don't need it to anchor warcraft, warehouse goods, or mount fixed defenses.
In the setting, it can have counter point to those issues if they want. Planetary shield, anti-spaceship missile/gun/energy system , or whatever are on the planet just to importance to bomb.
If you have very strong, and fortyfid ground to orbit weapons you can defend a planed really god against vessels in space. Like today ground to sky weapons. in beginning of the 2000er years they always told us in dokumntarys the same as you now. If you have the air suprreiorty you have already won But now look at Urkaine.
I do hate that the games completely ignored how serious humanity was losing the war. The games always showed that a single super soldier was turning the tides of major battles then we get Reach and ODST which showed how truly desperate the entire situation was
But that’s the thing. It was showed. Halo 2’s opening missions demonstrates that they’re on the brink. The biggest win the UNSC might have had was the destruction of installation 04 and even then the covenant found Earth and breached atmosphere pretty quickly. That’s with Earth having full 360 degree coverage with mac cannons and the aftermath is what you see in ODST and then Halo 3. The only reason why Earth wasn’t glassed and humanity hadn’t sustained heavier losses was because of the forerunner relic and the great schism occurring near simultaneously. TLDR: They 100% show how serious humanity was losing.
@@RagingRavioli22Honesty the UNSC won most ground battles as they were able to adapt and figure out the doctrines and the technology advantage meant much less. The dire situation was the naval one, the technology superiority was way to vast. Humanity would’ve lost not to ground battles but simply glassing
The funny thing is most ground battles the UNSC would win (albeit long and costly) the problem they faced was the naval situation which was dire, their are so many ground battles in which the UNSC won and I can barely remember any naval victories (apart from Gigachad Cole)
Well, lad, the bungo games were even dumber than mcu dumb standards, then. Halo still is complex, the problem is that it has always been like that mostly in extended material
The Marine Corps in Halo isn't even a "corps" at all honestly. It's the UNSC's expeditionary army while the UNSC Army is a home army. With such a rigid military organization, it's no wonder the UNSC was losing lol
They do have ground-based mass drivers, like the Onager-class as seen on Reach. But these are relatively rarer and less capable, compared to their bigger cousins, the orbital MAC guns.
Way under teched. While I have no idea what tech we may have in the year 2525, I am certain we will not be using Vietnam era assault rifles and tank rounds. Even by todays standards, the UNSC equipment is either normal or obsolete in some cases and I will put an Abrams against a Scorpion any day and the Abrams will emerge victorious 9/10 times. The UNSC should have more advanced and powerful weapons than they have, but the UNSC army, marines and even the navy to some extent are basically Vietnam in space, but even worse. Only the Spartans and some of the tech they deploy trully feel like they are futuristic, but you'd expect a simpler version of the Mjolnir to be standard for every Human soldier by 2525, yet not only is that not the case, the Mjolnir feels like something that we could probably create within the next 100 years (minus energy shielding, which is sci-fi technobabble)
The cost of a suit of Mjlonir armour, is comparable to a single UNSC Destroyer. It wouldn't be practical to roll out even a simplified version of such a suit. Let alone it's designed to work with augmented Spartans and would injury or kill a normal human trying to use it.
And now they’re in shambles from the banished and Cortana’s short lived uprising.
Man, could you imagine if an entire AI rebellion regarded as an existential threat took place and was defeated between games? That'd be pretty annoying!
@westrim It wasn’t, we’re shown in infinite how it ended.
Yeah I’m still pissed we didn’t get to see more of the created conflict, but that’s what happens when Reddit throws a tantrum after a character turns evil.
This feels like a recurring issue for Space War settings with travel between systems measured in less than years; when whoever holds the orbitals can just pound the ground, there's not much room for ground actions beyond storming key points, for which marines are better suited than dedicated ground forces. Holding a planet doesn't matter unless the time cycles are long enough for it to produce resources instead of being a logistical sink, and you don't need it to anchor warcraft, warehouse goods, or mount fixed defenses.
In the setting, it can have counter point to those issues if they want. Planetary shield, anti-spaceship missile/gun/energy system , or whatever are on the planet just to importance to bomb.
If you have very strong, and fortyfid ground to orbit weapons you can defend a planed really god against vessels in space.
Like today ground to sky weapons.
in beginning of the 2000er years they always told us in dokumntarys the same as you now. If you have the air suprreiorty you have already won
But now look at Urkaine.
I do hate that the games completely ignored how serious humanity was losing the war. The games always showed that a single super soldier was turning the tides of major battles then we get Reach and ODST which showed how truly desperate the entire situation was
But that’s the thing. It was showed. Halo 2’s opening missions demonstrates that they’re on the brink. The biggest win the UNSC might have had was the destruction of installation 04 and even then the covenant found Earth and breached atmosphere pretty quickly. That’s with Earth having full 360 degree coverage with mac cannons and the aftermath is what you see in ODST and then Halo 3. The only reason why Earth wasn’t glassed and humanity hadn’t sustained heavier losses was because of the forerunner relic and the great schism occurring near simultaneously.
TLDR: They 100% show how serious humanity was losing.
@@RagingRavioli22Honesty the UNSC won most ground battles as they were able to adapt and figure out the doctrines and the technology advantage meant much less. The dire situation was the naval one, the technology superiority was way to vast. Humanity would’ve lost not to ground battles but simply glassing
I feel the bigger trouble is the UNSC Fleet, the Army seemed to be able to hold out remarkably well.
The funny thing is most ground battles the UNSC would win (albeit long and costly) the problem they faced was the naval situation which was dire, their are so many ground battles in which the UNSC won and I can barely remember any naval victories (apart from Gigachad Cole)
I wish 343 didn't dumb down _Halo_ to _MCU_ levels. Would've been great to look into the political-econonic situation of the UNSC post-war.
Well, lad, the bungo games were even dumber than mcu dumb standards, then. Halo still is complex, the problem is that it has always been like that mostly in extended material
I always found it kinda hilarious that the Marine corps actually got newer and better gear than the Army.
The Marine Corps in Halo isn't even a "corps" at all honestly. It's the UNSC's expeditionary army while the UNSC Army is a home army. With such a rigid military organization, it's no wonder the UNSC was losing lol
Why they dont have ground to orbit weapons ??
They do have ground-based mass drivers, like the Onager-class as seen on Reach. But these are relatively rarer and less capable, compared to their bigger cousins, the orbital MAC guns.
VERY dire for not just the army but UNSC as a whole😅
Imagine Iwo Jima but the US just nuked the island from high altitude. That's how dire it was.
Brotherhood of steel building your own battle group please
They always seemed under tech even though they’re 200 years in the future.
600 years
@@KAISERaw17 close enough
More like 550 years.
Way under teched.
While I have no idea what tech we may have in the year 2525, I am certain we will not be using Vietnam era assault rifles and tank rounds.
Even by todays standards, the UNSC equipment is either normal or obsolete in some cases and I will put an Abrams against a Scorpion any day and the Abrams will emerge victorious 9/10 times.
The UNSC should have more advanced and powerful weapons than they have, but the UNSC army, marines and even the navy to some extent are basically Vietnam in space, but even worse.
Only the Spartans and some of the tech they deploy trully feel like they are futuristic, but you'd expect a simpler version of the Mjolnir to be standard for every Human soldier by 2525, yet not only is that not the case, the Mjolnir feels like something that we could probably create within the next 100 years (minus energy shielding, which is sci-fi technobabble)
The cost of a suit of Mjlonir armour, is comparable to a single UNSC Destroyer. It wouldn't be practical to roll out even a simplified version of such a suit. Let alone it's designed to work with augmented Spartans and would injury or kill a normal human trying to use it.
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Cringe 😬