thanks for the informative review. I've been out of spearfishing for 20 years, so the roller gun is new to me.The inverted roller makes a lot of sense in providing more bang per inch of barrel, but as you said, it's a bit messy.This concept of an open muzzle top is also new to me, but once again, I like the clear view it provides. Have you measured the power the gun puts out? I built my first "Man's Gun" in 1969. I fitted a Bazooka Handle & muzzle to a 4' long X 1& 1/4" diameter ally barrel, & powered it with two 28" X 9/16" rubbers. These were each stretched 4' & delivered 90lbs, so I calculated my gun put out 720 ft/lbs. I would be interested to know what the Bully Gun's stats are. I used 1 & 1/4" barrel because these rubbers on my old 1" barrel visibly bent it under load.Two unplanned benefits of the bigger barrel were more bouyancy making the gun lighter in the water, & the increased diameter meant the spear lay directly on the barrel, which made my gun very accurate.
Don't know if you ever got a reply to this... HELL OF A GUN YOU BUILT THERE! Chris coats has a pretty detailed power chart for rollers on his website. Check it out if you're still interested. Have fun hunting those whales and submarines with that monster you built. Cheers from Trinidad and Tobago.
I like a 2.5 meter spear but for caves its a bit bulky go with a 1.8 -2m a flopper tip hits harder and hold fish better as long as there isnt a rock right behind the fish which probably wont happen in a cave
Love the slightly angry (yet loveable) Aussie! Great advice and guidance, I shall be swinging by your store during holidays to learn about the short roller guns for Victorian waters!
Fusion: its like a simple roller gun, it just 'replaces' the section of rubber traveling thru the rollers on the muzzle, by a rope. Invert: rubbers stay at the bottom of the gun. Added pulleys multiply the propulsion force to the shaft.
Hello there, I love your video, very interesting for me. How long take time for get experience hunting myself. I have scuba diving certificate, but I've done not a lot dives. I prefer snorkeling.
please check before that you can hunt with scuba equipment in your location most of the world have banned spearfishing with scuba most recreational spearfishers learn to breathhold or do freediving training also some advice to start with a polespear before buying a short speargun as the next step and do shore spearfishing
The direction in which the rubber is stretched has absolutely no effect on the force of the recoil. Newton's second principle! The recoil depends of: 1. The force on the arrow. 2. The mass of the speargun. The rollergun is more massive and the extra mass absorbs the recoil. 3. The rollergun has no free-swinging rubber at the end of the shot.
Wouldn’t just shortening the bands on the old style guns make up the difference? Or no way to get the same stored energy as a longer rubber kinda thing?
When changing setups (bands/shafts) always double check with your manufacturer (or check the specs of the trigger). If trigger mechs are overpowered they will misfire. Very very dangerous...
would you recommend a roller as a step up from my current gun. I got an entry level gun just to see if ill stick with spearfishing and ive grown to really like it. would either go for a bigger gun with double rubbers or a roller.. whats your take?
If you intend to stick with spearfishing probably go straight to a roller. It is more pricey than a standard gun but it's a very accurate, light, easy to use gun. I used a lot the standard circular band guns (and love them) - but once I speared with a roller I got in love with them. I use 99% of my time roller guns.
I got a 1100 RA roller railgun but my arms are too short! Even with the stock load-assist bungee-band. The longer load assist (nn-stock) makes a world of difference & I modified the spear shafts with stainless steel wire shark fins. But I shoulda got the 800 or 900 version. Ah well.....
You said your 1.10 roller gun give same shot as your convencional 1.30 gun. Your 1.30 is double rubber? What size of rubber you use on it, 16mm on the double?
Hi Jefferson, I made the same experience. I had an 110cm roller that shot very similarly to my 1.4standard gun (2x16mm, 7.5 shaft). As the shaft is pushed longer on the barrel, this extra time means longer propulsion of shafts, therefore reaching better shooting range. I also used a beautiful heavy 3x16mm woody bluewater gun, but after a 120 roller (16mm) I just kept using this 1.2 roller. Shorter, lighter, far better maneuverability and I could do quite accurate shots even from awkward angles (soooo little recoil that bent wrists and elbows would work).
Never thought about that. I guess is not needed. The question is why ET are used. Usually to guide the shaft when using LOTS of power so it is 'guided' when fired to make the shot more accurate. On a roller I don not see the benefit honestly. There is very little recoil on rollers as the shaft flies in one directions, and the rubbers on the bottom retract into the opposite direction.
I spear gun in the Caribbean sea by Cozumel , which roller do you recommend me? I fish in clear water I need a powerful gun and sometimes shoot at long distance, could I buy you one?
Does anyone know how you would mound a reel on this? (On the side opposite of the double wrap?) maybe you can’t use a reel and need a breakaway style set up? 🤔 🤷🏻♂️
Inverted rollers have to be heavily over powered to overcome the resistance of the pulleys. I use a Pathos laser carbon roller and it is incredibly fast. does an inverted roller offer that speed? I have seen a lot of guys using inverted rollers to push 7.5mm plus spears on heavy timber and carbon guns.
Hey mate, it really depends on how you rig it. Some of the guys in here are throwing 9.5mm shafts, double wrap rigged at some pretty big fish. If you'd like to know more head to our website and get on Live Chat or give us a ring. Cheers
Don't, they are junk. Not worth the bother and don't work as claimed. I got one years ago and threw it away. His reinvents it with line through the rollers as the rubber would bind and not pull or stretch evenly. Theory good. Real life in the water a cruel rip off
Sorry but roller invert or simple roller nothing to do with normal classic circular . I have been testing a lot but most efficient always classic double rober
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Depends on the use. Short rollers are nice in murky water. Longer rollers for reef hunting or even blue water (or good vis a vary fish). The size of the shaft depends on your roller gun length (actually the power it can develop). A 7mm shaft needs less 'power' to be pushed at a certain target distance, than a 7.5mm shaft (more weight as well). I use a 90cm roller with 16mm rubbers and 7.5 shaft, and the same setup but 1.2m barrel for longer shots / larger fish. Most used length from what I have seen is between 90 and 110 cm barrels. The 110 IMO is a very all-round and versatile one.
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Really great and informative video on roller guns man! Thank you!
thanks for the informative review. I've been out of spearfishing for 20 years, so the roller gun is new to me.The inverted roller makes a lot of sense in providing more bang per inch of barrel, but as you said, it's a bit messy.This concept of an open muzzle top is also new to me, but once again, I like the clear view it provides.
Have you measured the power the gun puts out?
I built my first "Man's Gun" in 1969. I fitted a Bazooka Handle & muzzle to a 4' long X 1& 1/4" diameter ally barrel, & powered it with two 28" X 9/16" rubbers. These were each stretched 4' & delivered 90lbs, so I calculated my gun put out 720 ft/lbs. I would be interested to know what the Bully Gun's stats are.
I used 1 & 1/4" barrel because these rubbers on my old 1" barrel visibly bent it under load.Two unplanned benefits of the bigger barrel were more bouyancy making the gun lighter in the water, & the increased diameter meant the spear lay directly on the barrel, which made my gun very accurate.
Don't know if you ever got a reply to this... HELL OF A GUN YOU BUILT THERE! Chris coats has a pretty detailed power chart for rollers on his website. Check it out if you're still interested.
Have fun hunting those whales and submarines with that monster you built.
Cheers from Trinidad and Tobago.
Very interesting, the inverted gun ! Thank you and greetings from South Africa
Hey! Greetings from Cape Town!
Can you do a special on PoleSpears for hunting snapper and grouper in holes. What tips are best? What length should I use?
a great tip for polespears is to buy a normal speargun
@@FineArtbySamuel Really good advice
I like a 2.5 meter spear but for caves its a bit bulky go with a 1.8 -2m a flopper tip hits harder and hold fish better as long as there isnt a rock right behind the fish which probably wont happen in a cave
Love the slightly angry (yet loveable) Aussie! Great advice and guidance, I shall be swinging by your store during holidays to learn about the short roller guns for Victorian waters!
it's like a pirate trying to sell you harpoons xD
Oh man, he is one of the loviest lad in person. Knew Wayne from Sydney freediver and he is very friendly and willing to guide people. :)
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What about the "Fusion" Invert Roller gun? How is that different from the "invert" roller gun?
Fusion: its like a simple roller gun, it just 'replaces' the section of rubber traveling thru the rollers on the muzzle, by a rope.
Invert: rubbers stay at the bottom of the gun. Added pulleys multiply the propulsion force to the shaft.
It's like compound bow vs regular bow
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Hello there, I love your video, very interesting for me. How long take time for get experience hunting myself. I have scuba diving certificate, but I've done not a lot dives. I prefer snorkeling.
please check before that you can hunt with scuba equipment in your location
most of the world have banned spearfishing with scuba
most recreational spearfishers learn to breathhold or do freediving training
also some advice to start with a polespear before buying a short speargun as the next step and do shore spearfishing
@@zazugee yeah, and learn to drive a horse and buggy before you get a car.
Very nice...I just wish you had links to the various items for us new people.
Thank you for the proper explanation on the roller gun.
Very educational. Bravo
Wow that is may dream speargun have good quality and long use..watching here from philippines i love speargune sir ..thanks 😊🤗
Love these video's!! Think i'm gonna order my Next set of Gun's from you guy's :)
Top quality Vid Wayne!! Great to see another Ozzie business producing videos like these. Luv ya work!
The direction in which the rubber is stretched has absolutely no effect on the force of the recoil.
Newton's second principle!
The recoil depends of:
1. The force on the arrow.
2. The mass of the speargun. The rollergun is more massive and the extra mass absorbs the recoil.
3. The rollergun has no free-swinging rubber at the end of the shot.
Correct. Plenty of other disadvantages as well.
What is the standard lenght of roller type speargun and the size of the shaft used.
"The Bloody Gun".. just perfect
Wouldn’t just shortening the bands on the old style guns make up the difference? Or no way to get the same stored energy as a longer rubber kinda thing?
Especially with inverted rollers, there is no way to get the same stored energy with an old style gun of the same length.
Good and simple explanation. Thank you!
How Much you cost 1 speargun , if you don’t mind can you let me know thank you sir
Great bit footage guys
I know all about pour trigger mechanisms had a beuchat put double 16mm bands on it itd shoot by itself even with safety on.
When changing setups (bands/shafts) always double check with your manufacturer (or check the specs of the trigger). If trigger mechs are overpowered they will misfire. Very very dangerous...
bellissimi fucili subacquei .dove si possono acquistare ?
Awesome. Thanks!
would you recommend a roller as a step up from my current gun. I got an entry level gun just to see if ill stick with spearfishing and ive grown to really like it. would either go for a bigger gun with double rubbers or a roller.. whats your take?
@@urb6857 sub 120 definitely (if its a roller). Depending on the brand 105-115cm
If you intend to stick with spearfishing probably go straight to a roller. It is more pricey than a standard gun but it's a very accurate, light, easy to use gun. I used a lot the standard circular band guns (and love them) - but once I speared with a roller I got in love with them. I use 99% of my time roller guns.
I got a 1100 RA roller railgun but my arms are too short! Even with the stock load-assist bungee-band. The longer load assist (nn-stock) makes a world of difference & I modified the spear shafts with stainless steel wire shark fins. But I shoulda got the 800 or 900 version. Ah well.....
Maybe try and grab the rubbers first, then push the gun to your hip... now you gut the rubbers :) and only need to pull them on the spear.
Or: 2nd option, get a longer load assist
How cost it is, Sr? how can I the rollergun
Just ordered getting keen
Hey whats the go with full length rubber on the Rob Allen Tuna? Why do some 1m rollers have different length rubber?
hi what brand is that Inverter bloody gun I'm interested about it I would like to know more about that gun
Manny sub roller performer made in sydney in australia great gun i have one
mannysub
Sir what the name of your shaft.. Is that a steenlees or pure metal
generally sandvik stainless steel
You said your 1.10 roller gun give same shot as your convencional 1.30 gun. Your 1.30 is double rubber? What size of rubber you use on it, 16mm on the double?
Hi Jefferson, I made the same experience. I had an 110cm roller that shot very similarly to my 1.4standard gun (2x16mm, 7.5 shaft).
As the shaft is pushed longer on the barrel, this extra time means longer propulsion of shafts, therefore reaching better shooting range.
I also used a beautiful heavy 3x16mm woody bluewater gun, but after a 120 roller (16mm) I just kept using this 1.2 roller. Shorter, lighter, far better maneuverability and I could do quite accurate shots even from awkward angles (soooo little recoil that bent wrists and elbows would work).
is it enclosed track any good for roller?
Never thought about that. I guess is not needed.
The question is why ET are used. Usually to guide the shaft when using LOTS of power so it is 'guided' when fired to make the shot more accurate. On a roller I don not see the benefit honestly.
There is very little recoil on rollers as the shaft flies in one directions, and the rubbers on the bottom retract into the opposite direction.
I spear gun in the Caribbean sea by Cozumel , which roller do you recommend me? I fish in clear water I need a powerful gun and sometimes shoot at long distance, could I buy you one?
Probablemente un roller de 100 de largo the vendria bien. O uno de 120cm. Eso seria lo que yo usaria en tu lugar. Gomas de 16mm y varilla de 7.5mm.
Sir.do you have branch here in.philippines.
sir good day is 7mm pathos shaft fit to my pathos snipergun 115cm.? the original shaft is 6.75mm...
Yeah probs, most standard speargun mechanisms can take up to 8mm and a difference of 0.25mm is negligible.
What brand is the gun on the left? Love the shape.
Hey mate! The one on the left is a Pathos Sniper-R -
www.spearfishing.com.au/pathos-sniper-r-roller-gun
Sgtcaco if u love that shape check out the aimrite rage rollergun. Bit expensive at around 1.5k but made out of pure carbon fibre. Very nice gun👌
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hate a broken rubber man XD
My 130cm inverted rollergun the golden gun is coming🙏🏻
Does anyone know how you would mound a reel on this? (On the side opposite of the double wrap?) maybe you can’t use a reel and need a breakaway style set up? 🤔 🤷🏻♂️
You can use a reel on inverted rollers, at least I've seen videos of it
Inverted rollers have to be heavily over powered to overcome the resistance of the pulleys.
I use a Pathos laser carbon roller and it is incredibly fast. does an inverted roller offer that speed? I have seen a lot of guys using inverted rollers to push 7.5mm plus spears on heavy timber and carbon guns.
Hey mate, it really depends on how you rig it. Some of the guys in here are throwing 9.5mm shafts, double wrap rigged at some pretty big fish.
If you'd like to know more head to our website and get on Live Chat or give us a ring. Cheers
Awesome mate👌
Thats helpful thanks
How can we from Philippines order that inverted roller gun?
Don't, they are junk. Not worth the bother and don't work as claimed. I got one years ago and threw it away. His reinvents it with line through the rollers as the rubber would bind and not pull or stretch evenly. Theory good. Real life in the water a cruel rip off
So what is your recommendation and how much it cost
Mannysub inverted rollergun130cm my dream speargun
Nice fins love it nice spear wow
Conventional old fashioned spear guns i love they work simple trouble free like ak 47
Same thing I am saying
Can you kill white shark with it?
How mach my friends
Nice guns..
were the poseidon fins in the background carbon fibre?
how much
What in indonesia have shop in bali
Excellent!
wow super amazing.
How much in 130cm?
nice
If youve done your old speargun will please send it to me, i have only DIY speargun...
Sorry but roller invert or simple roller nothing to do with normal classic circular .
I have been testing a lot but most efficient always classic double rober
Wayne, you're invited to Hawaii. Please teach me how to spearfish well.
Great! So i'm going to cut my Factory made 130 Rollergun to a 110 so it shoots like a 130 standar railgun...
Lol
Check with the manufacturer if your trigger mech can support the change (additional power).
anyone lives in Sydney? Want to spearfishing together?
Simple spear guns i like the old conventional is better those are trouble free like AK-47 rifles
The Bloody Gun is a weapon!
$300 buy noww Full set
Sir can you give me a gift like that speargun
A broken rubber can have life-long consequences!!!
Hhhhh - very true brother :)
naaaaahhhh it doesn't really have more "stretch power" .... just more bands ....
Give mi gan
كاكز زة. ذيتر
Me subscribers
Bla bla bla $1000 bucks later
Hello in friend im Philippines i watching to all video my name Lloyd Aaron D.Nomio my dreaming speargun i hope gift me this account my wife i hope touch your heart thank u for read this god blessed you
I don’t think so
What is the standard lenght of roller type speargun and the size of the shaft used.
Depends on the use.
Short rollers are nice in murky water. Longer rollers for reef hunting or even blue water (or good vis a vary fish).
The size of the shaft depends on your roller gun length (actually the power it can develop). A 7mm shaft needs less 'power' to be pushed at a certain target distance, than a 7.5mm shaft (more weight as well).
I use a 90cm roller with 16mm rubbers and 7.5 shaft, and the same setup but 1.2m barrel for longer shots / larger fish.
Most used length from what I have seen is between 90 and 110 cm barrels. The 110 IMO is a very all-round and versatile one.