Baerchenization get it? lol. i wish. im a 23 year old recent graduate about to make some money. for now ill continue driving my 85 SEC. the predecessor of the new S Coupe.
carlos ortiz S 65 means more power and more expensive ! a regular s class ( S400) has about 300 horsepower while the s65 600 plus but i might be wrong on that haha
Excellent test of high performance drivers cars. No music, no juvenile wam bam editing. No droning on about the switches or cup holders or whatever. Just straight into it. How well do they drive. I have an E231 SL500. I love driving it it.
You cant really compare the two because the m6 has 4 seat and the sl63 has two and is also lighter. I think its kinda sad that the sl63 only beat it by 1 second. They should have compared the sl63 to a zr1.
You think the seat count is what made the difference in this race? Go read a book kid. You can rip those backseats right out of the M6 and it will still lose the race. The M6 being heavier then the SL63 isn't Mercedes fault.
ok fine i understand where your coming from...but what car does mercedes have to compare with the m6. The only car they have is the E550. Why arent they comparing apples with apples. Now i want you to be honest can you compare the m6 with the sl63? horsepower wise you can.. but they are different cars. Thats like me saying you can compare the gl63 vs the sl63 just because the hp numbers are the same.
michael goldsman What are talking about? The E550 is a direct competitor of the 550i, just as the E63 is to the M5. The E-Class does not compete with the 6 series, and never has. The SL63 is the direct competitor of the M6, and it always has been, hence the years and years of comparisons between the two. Especially in this test, they are using the convertible/coupe models of each, and both cars are heavy luxury tourers. They are also identical in power output, aspiration and drivetrain. They are also very similar in chassis dimensions and wheelbase. There is literally nothing that distinguishes one car from the other besides the 2 back seats in the M6, and as I already stated, make no difference in the outcome and result of this test. I think you need to learn a little more about what makes cars competition for one another. Thinking the E-Class competes with the 6-Series is outrageous.
i looked it up and the m6 is only 200 pounds heavier. i dont know, i just think the m6 was meant for more of a everyday car where as the sl63 would be a sports car where you wouldnt drive it everyday.
michael goldsman I see where you're coming from, but looks can be deceiving. The SL and 6 series are both comfortable everyday cars. In fact, most automotive journalists give Mercedes the lead over any BMW when it comes to everyday driving and comfort.
This guy is a great reviewer. I watch countless of videos related to cars but only a hand full, such as this one, creates a feeling that I am actually driving the car.
ant a because it's a FREAKING NISSAN ! no way a nissan would be more expensive than a merc, , bmw, audi, porsche, ferrari, lamborghini , aston martin , etc
lolNEED55 that's why they took a lot of market share from those companies I've seen the GTR handle very good at the track avoiding accidents EZ after that stuff happens the GTR pays for itself
ant a yes i have to admit the GTR is definitely a beast and offers you a performance and maybe a handling of a supercar like its German , Italian Compatriots but half the price ! But if i were a millionaire, i would easily go for an r8 , mercedes sls , ferrari , lambo , aston martin , maserati , bentley, rolls royce over the gtr ! but if i wasn't a millionaire but have a decent amount of money in my bank, then i would go for the GTR :)
lolNEED55 same but, being a millionaire opens up new doors.. it's no longer just cars but boats and planes and other things driving very fast is dangerous but, in the air there's really no limit other than what you can take given the right acrobatic aircraft otherwise the wings would rip off
I can swear there was some thing missing from the way this guy was doing the whole thing. It was like he's doing the saturday morning kitchen or some thing.
I love both these cars, and have owned AMGs and currently own an M6 convertible...these two really arent competitors as the SL is a two seater and the M6 seats 4. MB doesnt make a 4 seater AMG drop top after killing the CLK63...the idrive system s still a pain...but when all things are aligned, the M6 is a wonderful piece of engineering.
Bimmers are nothing like they used to be...Coming from a true BMW fan, it's really sad to see an M6 get beaten by a Mercedes. What used to be the agile, fast and sporty car has turned into a fat, heavy and steroid pumped-looking old dude's cruiser.
when i watch reviews like this i know the answer right before they start,and honestly things like this shouldn't be allowed. how on earth can you compare a 2 seater to a 4 seater with obviously more weight ? a mercedes outperforms a bimmer on track? common! am not saying benz is a shitty car,still great but atleast a bimmer doesn't need 6.5ltr engine to compete. bmw does what benz and americans does with 6.5ltr with just s 4.4ltr engine.now thats efficiency and engineering. if we really check overall engineering achievements and performance,plus pleasure in the ride,we'll all find out no car beat a BMW.
I always forget the numbers so when you compare I have no idea which car is quicker on paper. It would be nice to see some table in at end or at the beginning.
All you Mercedes fans, don't you hurry to be happy about this. I just want to remind you of something. In order to catch up Mercedes has increased the capacity of the engine to 5.5 liters. The BMW is 4.4. That is not а slight difference. A BMW with 5.5 capacity would be around 100 hp above. So in order to win against BMW Mercedes needs a bigger engine ;)
what a smart ass you are!!!! u don't know that BMW can increase the HP as much as they want? wtf little boys talking about cars! see the comparison 5.5 L & 4.4 L !!!!!! srsly stop talking about cars and go enjoy ur school holiday and if u want to write something read books first and have hands on the engines u smart ass!
If you think the displacement of the AMG is what helps it win this track race, you don't deserve to talk about cars. If anything a bigger engine up front means this AMG has a less balanced front / rear weight distribution, which would give the advantage to the BMW. Also, MB makes one of the highest ever HP per Liter cars on the planet in the A / CLA45 AMG, so what were you saying about bigger engines? The fact is these 2 cars have very similar HP, yet the AMG is lighter despite the bigger engine, and turns in and corners better, again, DESPITE the bigger engine, not because of it. Also, if you did some research to discover how the BMW M6 makes it's horsepower in comparison to the SL63, you would realize it is due to a big difference in turbo boost pressure (M6 - 21.5 PSI - SL63 17 PSI). Anyone can make a smaller engine with higher boost pressure to make more power, as Mercedes proved with the A45. Displacement doesn't decide lap times idiot. Go read a book.
I'm sorry, but you can't really see "behind the walls". 1. The engine in the Merc is not literally physically bigger, in fact it's even lighter overall than that 4,4L block in the BMW. 2. The fuel consumption is nearly identical, so efficiency-wise, there are also no real differences. 3. However, the bigger cylinder volume has some advantages, such as smoother torque and power curves, and EXACTLY THIS IS the reason AMG uses "oversized" engines compared to the BMW and Audi competitors. And anyways, I think Mercedes already has proven in terms of power/liter performance since they have a 2,0L turbo with 360bhp/450Nm, which is currently the best by far on the market in that regard. You can also look at where they are in Formula1, altho admittedly they use a very complicated hybrid system there, so it's not just about the turbo combustion engine...
It's 2 tonne plus (bmw) and if you're not using launch control, you're not doing it in 4.3 seconds, especially a turbo rwd car. I've owned 2 x similar cars e63 6.2 rwd and e63s 5.5l rwd and without launch control the 6.2l always did it in 4.3 to 4.5seconds but the high torque means I get poor times quite often of 5 seconds plus even though it should be sub 4 seconds on the 5.5l biturbo. Heck I reckon I can consistently get better 0 to 60 on my v8 330hp 645ci bmw than my e63s (which I both own at present ) even though the AMG hits 630hp on the dyno which is practically double the power
Majority of the European tests are showing M5/M6 run 4.4 - 4.8 seconds 0 - 60 mph without the 1 foot roll out. Plus this is a convertible, which is heavier so 5.3 seconds is right.
For those saying shit about this comparison it makes some sense since the BMW M6 is based in the 5-Series platform and the SL63 AMG is based in the E-Class platform. The thing is the SL is a Roadster and the 6-Series is a Cabriolet. Do you kids know the difference? Bet not. The true and fair comparison would be an M6 against an E63 AMG Cabriolet which... doesn't exist... So the SL is the closest to a 6-Series...
Your comparing a 4 seater that is larger n has more weight then something thats 2 seater and is smaller n lighter, so what do you think would win ? I think they should at least picked a car that matches up to both of them in size and power
Fully agree with you. BMW should make a come back of the Z8 if they really want to directly compare to the SL even though the last Z8 was a failure in both sales and performance.
Modern canvas tops are so well insulated, there's not enough reason to justify the higher cost + weight. I think it looks better too but that's personal.
I thought so too.. but If you think of it. CL is basically a S class coupe.. While the 6 is made of the 5 series platform. I do still think that the SL is not a proper to the 6, but it is the closest.
Almost every reviewer says, that M6 is too heavy, feels quite numb and sounds monotonic. What happened to M division. Their cars used to be the best of every segment. Nowadays it isn't necessarily true, so M fans, donť live in the past. Praise the new SL and hope for better tommorow.
760Li was a v12. S63 is a V8. the S65 is a V12. The only reason they compared the S63 to the 760Li was because of their similarity in price. Put an S65 agaisnt the 760Li, well you know the rest... :)
so in standard trim the M6 would be faster (i don't think the carbon ceramic brakes are standard for the SL). Also, the tested 1 sec diff suggests that the M6 when with the carbon brakes (supposedly soon) would likely be faster than the Merc with carbon brake
Well, the M6 does have both convertible and coupe version, and if you had to compare weight, power and class, the CL would definitely be right beside the M6 coupe, not to mention seats in the back.
No one forgot anything kid, but dropping an engine in a finished platform does not mean "BMW makes everything on Rolls Royce" - as you stated. Rolls Royce are still being built by the same engineers in England, BMW just provides the engine. Mercedes also provides Pagani with their engines, but that doesn't make Pagani a Mercedes-Benz. Get your facts straight before flapping.
when i wrote that, i didn't put nurburgring as a point of comparation, but something like straight line. In your case we can afirm that Renault Megane RS R26.R(08:16:90) can beats cars like camaro ss(8:20), C55AMG W203, M3 E46 and many other cars which in reallity aren't competitors for megane, and will eat it without big effort. So i think that nurburgring is not the best point of comparation. And other side - everybody knows that BMW is good in corner and Benz in straight line.
Mercedes Benz are prioritized to be some of the best every day cars to drive on the market. They do that perfectly. AMG take them, puts a big engine in it, makes them sound amazing, and tightens up the suspension a bit. M gets an advantage because BMWs start off being tuned for more performance handling. However we can see in this video that Mercedes is rapidly improving, and has a much wider variety of cars to chose from. To me, Mercedes has no competitors. They are their own, perfect brand.
"Lackluster" sales for Mercedes was 500 Maybach sales a year, and RR sells 800 on average. In the grand spectrum of things for Mercedes and BMW, those 500-800 ultra-luxury cars they sell matter very little in terms of profit margin for each company. Mercedes is to replace the Maybach brand with another ultra-luxury model which will be a variation of the new S-Class, so if they were worried about sales they wouldn't jump right back into the market.
First off, I am not an AMG fanboy nor am I a BMW fanboy, I pretty much like both brands the same. While in the early 2000's M was clearly a better performance division than AMG, I think this has changed, by a lot. I just think AMG is doing so much more than M, with their SLS, 65 V12 motor, and pretty much an AMG version of every Benz model. Not to mention, but the models that compare to BMW's small M range beat out the BMW! Go AMG! They've really progressed in the last 5 years. Next up is AWD..
Not just a tight track. Throw in any reasonable amount of corners in the track and the M3 will come out with a faster lap time. Benz are just not prioritized for high performance relative to their competitors.
The CL63 is on a completely different level than the M6. You can clearly see that by just looking at the price. The M6 is a 4 seat convertible that is sporty and luxurious. The CL63 is a huge luxury coupe that has a huge engine. The CL63 isn't made to ever set foot on a track.
Whats your point? They have been comparing the 4 door C63 sedan to the M3 coupe for ages. Those 2 seats don't mean anything. You can literally rip those seats right out of the M6 and it will still be slower. It lost by a full second, not a tenth of a second.
You're totally wrong. The Mercedes is using a 5.5 liter V8 here (Not the old 6.2). It makes vastly more torque as well. BMW was simply out classed here.
The M Benz is an awesome car. Everyone says it is ugly, but go see it in person. The sound on the video does not do it justice. The car has an amazing sound. The comfort of the M Benz is awesome. The Horsepower is amazing for a M. Benz. It is really an amazing car. If you have not seen one or driven one, it is hard to comment. I have looked at both, driven both. The Comparison is wrong in the video, because I believe them to be in different classes.
Yep. We're at the era where a Mercedes AMG can outhandle and is lighter than a BMW M. The traditional M trademark has been lost, and along with that the reason to buy BMW M models.
This comparison is a bit unrealistic; the BM is a much bigger and heavier car than the Merc. Perhaps if the comparison had been over the convertible M3, but that car has a naturally aspirated V8. Point is, both cars aren't exactly on the same level. Regardless, it was a an awesome video!
EVery car reviewer whom has been asked the question: "BMW or Mercedes?" has always said something along the lines of this: "Well Mercedes makes some great cars now and again but every BMW that has came out has been pretty much amazing in one way or another!." Jeremy Clarkson actually said: "Both manufactures make good cars but every BMW that has been launched has been fantastic!"
i loved the old m6 but not the new one and i did not love the old sl63 but i am in love with the new one,reason being last m6 was a true bmw, the new m6 is heavier than the old one, with the sl new,it is lighter than the old one, that sums up everthing, please bring us the classic m cars,which are full of character,
yeh, your probably right... I didn't think about the engines, however, the CL63 would most likely beat the M6 in acceleration, but, loose in top speed.
Well, the part about timing is true. I won't drive it on a race track, but on a road. So it's mostly down to how much space you need, and which car u like more. And, as they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
SL smashed it! Beast sounds, better body control and faster to 60.....My only problem is I cannot afford the darn fuel bill, let alone the price....100K? Feck, thats alot.
and let me tell you i owned a 2012 cls63. and it sucked so bad i sold it after 1 month. why do you think i sold it if it was better? the handling is shitty compared to a BMW. and the interior uses crappy fake leather on the dash. i paid big bucks for real leather not this mb tex crap that mb uses. they even use it in the S class !!! fuck are you kidding me? if i were to get any other mercedes, it would be the 6.3.not the new 5.5
Read 2013 BMW M6 Convertible vs. 2013 Jaguar XKR-S Convertible, 2013 Mercedes-Benz SL63 AMG, and 2013 Porsche 911 Carrera S Cabriolet in car and driver If you like your engine via enhanced stereo noise go for the M6. Love my SL 63
actually the bmw is 4.4 and the benz is 5.4. they are both twin turbo, and i am sure that anyone who is a rev head will understand that 1 second between 5 seconds 0-100 (m6) and 4 seconds 0-100 (sl) is a huge difference.
Wow that baritone engine sound from the Mercedes is just so good
your right because the m5 does 0-60 in 3.8 so the m6 should do about the same
as a mercedes fan i cannot fucking stand those SL tail lights. as for the front end, it also looks less appealing than before.
Get the S coupe with glass roof - it is fucking beautiful :)
Baerchenization get it? lol. i wish. im a 23 year old recent graduate about to make some money. for now ill continue driving my 85 SEC. the predecessor of the new S Coupe.
I agree the new s-class cars are just beautiful
What is the difference between the new s 65 class and the regular s class
carlos ortiz S 65 means more power and more expensive ! a regular s class ( S400) has about 300 horsepower while the s65 600 plus but i might be wrong on that haha
Excellent test of high performance drivers cars. No music, no juvenile wam bam editing. No droning on about the switches or cup holders or whatever. Just straight into it. How well do they drive. I have an E231 SL500. I love driving it it.
You cant really compare the two because the m6 has 4 seat and the sl63 has two and is also lighter. I think its kinda sad that the sl63 only beat it by 1 second. They should have compared the sl63 to a zr1.
You think the seat count is what made the difference in this race? Go read a book kid. You can rip those backseats right out of the M6 and it will still lose the race. The M6 being heavier then the SL63 isn't Mercedes fault.
ok fine i understand where your coming from...but what car does mercedes have to compare with the m6. The only car they have is the E550. Why arent they comparing apples with apples. Now i want you to be honest can you compare the m6 with the sl63? horsepower wise you can.. but they are different cars. Thats like me saying you can compare the gl63 vs the sl63 just because the hp numbers are the same.
michael goldsman
What are talking about? The E550 is a direct competitor of the 550i, just as the E63 is to the M5. The E-Class does not compete with the 6 series, and never has. The SL63 is the direct competitor of the M6, and it always has been, hence the years and years of comparisons between the two. Especially in this test, they are using the convertible/coupe models of each, and both cars are heavy luxury tourers.
They are also identical in power output, aspiration and drivetrain. They are also very similar in chassis dimensions and wheelbase. There is literally nothing that distinguishes one car from the other besides the 2 back seats in the M6, and as I already stated, make no difference in the outcome and result of this test. I think you need to learn a little more about what makes cars competition for one another. Thinking the E-Class competes with the 6-Series is outrageous.
i looked it up and the m6 is only 200 pounds heavier. i dont know, i just think the m6 was meant for more of a everyday car where as the sl63 would be a sports car where you wouldnt drive it everyday.
michael goldsman I see where you're coming from, but looks can be deceiving. The SL and 6 series are both comfortable everyday cars. In fact, most automotive journalists give Mercedes the lead over any BMW when it comes to everyday driving and comfort.
M6 is a timeless design. Never get bored looking at it
M6 is a 4 seater right
This guy is a great reviewer. I watch countless of videos related to cars but only a hand full, such as this one, creates a feeling that I am actually driving the car.
German Cars are the best cars :)
I'm not sure about that because (Japan) GTR meets or exceeds top european cars triple+ the price in performance
ant a because it's a FREAKING NISSAN ! no way a nissan would be more expensive than a merc, , bmw, audi, porsche, ferrari, lamborghini , aston martin , etc
lolNEED55 that's why they took a lot of market share from those companies
I've seen the GTR handle very good at the track avoiding accidents EZ
after that stuff happens the GTR pays for itself
ant a yes i have to admit the GTR is definitely a beast and offers you a performance and maybe a handling of a supercar like its German , Italian Compatriots but half the price ! But if i were a millionaire, i would easily go for an r8 , mercedes sls , ferrari , lambo , aston martin , maserati , bentley, rolls royce over the gtr ! but if i wasn't a millionaire but have a decent amount of money in my bank, then i would go for the GTR :)
lolNEED55 same but, being a millionaire opens up new doors.. it's no longer just cars but boats and planes and other things
driving very fast is dangerous but, in the air there's really no limit other than what you can take given the right acrobatic aircraft otherwise the wings would rip off
My BMW M6 competition convertible is my weekend car and the 630 horse power is just amazing and super fun to drive!
a whole second is everything. Mercedes Benz The BEST!
Dardan Agushi and whole 200kg more in M6..............fair compare would be SL63 convertible vs M6 F13 coupe(1850kg) not convertible
Mercedes benz isnt the best, my last c class was built qorse than my qashqai
Not the best looking though
Forgot to type mercedes killer weapon is SLS .
The M6 doesn't take 5.3 seconds from 0 to 60. It takes 4.1 seconds. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT
Zohaib Shan the convertible does not take 4.1 anyways, is no wat close to the 5.3...
Zohaib Shan even better 3.7 seconds in the right hands.
I can swear there was some thing missing from the way this guy was doing the whole thing. It was like he's doing the saturday morning kitchen or some thing.
M6 0-60 in 5.3 seconds?! Bollocks! How can a large car tester such as auto express get something so simple so wrong?
An X6 M50d can do 0-60 in 5.3 seconds btw
I love both these cars, and have owned AMGs and currently own an M6 convertible...these two really arent competitors as the SL is a two seater and the M6 seats 4. MB doesnt make a 4 seater AMG drop top after killing the CLK63...the idrive system s still a pain...but when all things are aligned, the M6 is a wonderful piece of engineering.
I rarely carry one passenger let alone two or three. Heaven knows why they added two dwarf seats in the new SL
Bimmers are nothing like they used to be...Coming from a true BMW fan, it's really sad to see an M6 get beaten by a Mercedes. What used to be the agile, fast and sporty car has turned into a fat, heavy and steroid pumped-looking old dude's cruiser.
Just a quick question. Is the Bentely Supersports with rear seat delete a supercar, and the Bentley Supersports with a rear seat a GT?...
when i watch reviews like this i know the answer right before they start,and honestly things like this shouldn't be allowed.
how on earth can you compare a 2 seater to a 4 seater with obviously more weight ? a mercedes outperforms a bimmer on track? common!
am not saying benz is a shitty car,still great but atleast a bimmer doesn't need 6.5ltr engine to compete.
bmw does what benz and americans does with 6.5ltr with just s 4.4ltr engine.now thats efficiency and engineering.
if we really check overall engineering achievements and performance,plus pleasure in the ride,we'll all find out no car beat a BMW.
I always forget the numbers so when you compare I have no idea which car is quicker on paper. It would be nice to see some table in at end or at the beginning.
i closed the video when he said 0-60 5.4 secs ... M6 for the win!
the audio and video dont match. at 1:08 he downshifts 3 times but you only hear one
BMW M6 all the way!
0-60 in the M6 is not 5.2 seconds, its 4.0-4.5
All you Mercedes fans, don't you hurry to be happy about this. I just want to remind you of something. In order to catch up Mercedes has increased the capacity of the engine to 5.5 liters. The BMW is 4.4. That is not а slight difference. A BMW with 5.5 capacity would be around 100 hp above. So in order to win against BMW Mercedes needs a bigger engine ;)
what a smart ass you are!!!! u don't know that BMW can increase the HP as much as they want? wtf little boys talking about cars! see the comparison 5.5 L & 4.4 L !!!!!! srsly stop talking about cars and go enjoy ur school holiday and if u want to write something read books first and have hands on the engines u smart ass!
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If you think the displacement of the AMG is what helps it win this track race, you don't deserve to talk about cars. If anything a bigger engine up front means this AMG has a less balanced front / rear weight distribution, which would give the advantage to the BMW. Also, MB makes one of the highest ever HP per Liter cars on the planet in the A / CLA45 AMG, so what were you saying about bigger engines?
The fact is these 2 cars have very similar HP, yet the AMG is lighter despite the bigger engine, and turns in and corners better, again, DESPITE the bigger engine, not because of it. Also, if you did some research to discover how the BMW M6 makes it's horsepower in comparison to the SL63, you would realize it is due to a big difference in turbo boost pressure (M6 - 21.5 PSI - SL63 17 PSI). Anyone can make a smaller engine with higher boost pressure to make more power, as Mercedes proved with the A45. Displacement doesn't decide lap times idiot. Go read a book.
I'm sorry, but you can't really see "behind the walls".
1. The engine in the Merc is not literally physically bigger, in fact it's even lighter overall than that 4,4L block in the BMW.
2. The fuel consumption is nearly identical, so efficiency-wise, there are also no real differences.
3. However, the bigger cylinder volume has some advantages, such as smoother torque and power curves, and EXACTLY THIS IS the reason AMG uses "oversized" engines compared to the BMW and Audi competitors.
And anyways, I think Mercedes already has proven in terms of power/liter performance since they have a 2,0L turbo with 360bhp/450Nm, which is currently the best by far on the market in that regard.
You can also look at where they are in Formula1, altho admittedly they use a very complicated hybrid system there, so it's not just about the turbo combustion engine...
Do you compare the price? It's an extra 80-100 grants from the M6 to get SL65.
mercedes all day long !!!
0-60 in the m6 does not take 5.3 seconds! What road surface did you test that on? Were you shifting manually?
i think he meant 4.3
It's 2 tonne plus (bmw) and if you're not using launch control, you're not doing it in 4.3 seconds, especially a turbo rwd car. I've owned 2 x similar cars e63 6.2 rwd and e63s 5.5l rwd and without launch control the 6.2l always did it in 4.3 to 4.5seconds but the high torque means I get poor times quite often of 5 seconds plus even though it should be sub 4 seconds on the 5.5l biturbo. Heck I reckon I can consistently get better 0 to 60 on my v8 330hp 645ci bmw than my e63s (which I both own at present ) even though the AMG hits 630hp on the dyno which is practically double the power
BMW for EVER
Exactly! The Z8 was the true rival to the SL. So was the 300SL and the BMW 507 in the 50s...
shallow review
Majority of the European tests are showing M5/M6 run 4.4 - 4.8 seconds 0 - 60 mph without the 1 foot roll out. Plus this is a convertible, which is heavier so 5.3 seconds is right.
Thats nice :), can you put the link for example ?.Thank you
dumb question but how do you know what is the correct gear to be in when entering a corner?
Sorry but can you tell me where do you see 5 doors on the BMW and 3 doors on the Mercedes?
What years are these vehicles?
I don't understand why every1 is hating the sl for its looks..it looks amazing and u must give mercedes props for taking a risk with the styling
For those saying shit about this comparison it makes some sense since the BMW M6 is based in the 5-Series platform and the SL63 AMG is based in the E-Class platform. The thing is the SL is a Roadster and the 6-Series is a Cabriolet. Do you kids know the difference? Bet not. The true and fair comparison would be an M6 against an E63 AMG Cabriolet which... doesn't exist... So the SL is the closest to a 6-Series...
How many seats can you count in the M6 and how many can you count in the SL? The SL is a roadster. The M6 is a GT.
Your comparing a 4 seater that is larger n has more weight then something thats 2 seater and is smaller n lighter, so what do you think would win ? I think they should at least picked a car that matches up to both of them in size and power
Fully agree with you. BMW should make a come back of the Z8 if they really want to directly compare to the SL even though the last Z8 was a failure in both sales and performance.
that M6 sounds awesome and looks a lot nicer than the merc. my choice personally
Totally agree, not comparable! Maybe when they make the W212 E63 Cabrio we'd have a fair fight
This presenter's AWESOME at describing the cars as he drives them, nice review!
Is their a SL65 AMG model?
Modern canvas tops are so well insulated, there's not enough reason to justify the higher cost + weight. I think it looks better too but that's personal.
the moving cam shots were beautiful! more of those please!
I thought so too.. but If you think of it. CL is basically a S class coupe.. While the 6 is made of the 5 series platform. I do still think that the SL is not a proper to the 6, but it is the closest.
both cars was with traction control on?
This guy is a legend. Talks and drives better than Tiff.
Didn't like this guy on the new vs old drag races but he's actually a pretty good reviewer!
Believe it right away, the M6 is such a good looking car and monster! can't wait for g-power get their hands on one of these!
Mercedes' seats are just out of this world!! man are they amazing!
I would buy SL63 AMG with a nice white color-black rims and of course AMG Performance Pkg .This car looks awesome!10/10
Almost every reviewer says, that M6 is too heavy, feels quite numb and sounds monotonic. What happened to M division. Their cars used to be the best of every segment. Nowadays it isn't necessarily true, so M fans, donť live in the past. Praise the new SL and hope for better tommorow.
Amg motors and bmw m motors are both works of art. Choose the one that you like the most but dont discredit the other.
please compare FOCUS 1.0 ecoboost vs VW golf 1.4 tsi
760Li was a v12. S63 is a V8. the S65 is a V12. The only reason they compared the S63 to the 760Li was because of their similarity in price. Put an S65 agaisnt the 760Li, well you know the rest... :)
The big thing for me is the SL shed 125 kgs....the M6 gained 55kgs... MASSIVE swing..... Mercedes going in the right direction.
Yes i got confused too since it uses the same engine as the M5 F10 and the M5 does 0 to 60 in 3.7~4 seconds in the fastest test......
so in standard trim the M6 would be faster (i don't think the carbon ceramic brakes are standard for the SL). Also, the tested 1 sec diff suggests that the M6 when with the carbon brakes (supposedly soon) would likely be faster than the Merc with carbon brake
did the AMG have the performance pack?
WTF 0:46 what does he mean by 5.3 seconds, how did they let this vid out with that, it's 4.3 seconds
I'm a big Bimmer fan but the Merc's sound is just awesome
Well, the M6 does have both convertible and coupe version, and if you had to compare weight, power and class, the CL would definitely be right beside the M6 coupe, not to mention seats in the back.
Nice test.. Totally different cars though... Maybe BMW should have called it the 6M...
who would've thought the day will come when M BMW will be the heavier, less dynamic and slower on the circuit in the test against AMG. Well done Merc.
I love Mercedes as always... And where is the biggest fan of BMW headed? I thought he has something to share?
No one forgot anything kid, but dropping an engine in a finished platform does not mean "BMW makes everything on Rolls Royce" - as you stated. Rolls Royce are still being built by the same engineers in England, BMW just provides the engine. Mercedes also provides Pagani with their engines, but that doesn't make Pagani a Mercedes-Benz. Get your facts straight before flapping.
when i wrote that, i didn't put nurburgring as a point of comparation, but something like straight line. In your case we can afirm that Renault Megane RS R26.R(08:16:90) can beats cars like camaro ss(8:20), C55AMG W203, M3 E46 and many other cars which in reallity aren't competitors for megane, and will eat it without big effort. So i think that nurburgring is not the best point of comparation. And other side - everybody knows that BMW is good in corner and Benz in straight line.
Guys, motortrend does there 0-60 tests with 1 foot role outs that's why there times are so fast.....
Mercedes Benz are prioritized to be some of the best every day cars to drive on the market. They do that perfectly. AMG take them, puts a big engine in it, makes them sound amazing, and tightens up the suspension a bit. M gets an advantage because BMWs start off being tuned for more performance handling. However we can see in this video that Mercedes is rapidly improving, and has a much wider variety of cars to chose from. To me, Mercedes has no competitors. They are their own, perfect brand.
Fully agree with you. Although the CL 63 would probably be a closer comparison.
5.3 seconds.... this man doesn't deserve to even be in the presence of an automobile.
"Lackluster" sales for Mercedes was 500 Maybach sales a year, and RR sells 800 on average. In the grand spectrum of things for Mercedes and BMW, those 500-800 ultra-luxury cars they sell matter very little in terms of profit margin for each company. Mercedes is to replace the Maybach brand with another ultra-luxury model which will be a variation of the new S-Class, so if they were worried about sales they wouldn't jump right back into the market.
First off, I am not an AMG fanboy nor am I a BMW fanboy, I pretty much like both brands the same. While in the early 2000's M was clearly a better performance division than AMG, I think this has changed, by a lot. I just think AMG is doing so much more than M, with their SLS, 65 V12 motor, and pretty much an AMG version of every Benz model. Not to mention, but the models that compare to BMW's small M range beat out the BMW! Go AMG! They've really progressed in the last 5 years. Next up is AWD..
I don't understand, the SL supposed to have the engine of 6.3 liters, right???
So why is it 5.4 here???
Not just a tight track. Throw in any reasonable amount of corners in the track and the M3 will come out with a faster lap time. Benz are just not prioritized for high performance relative to their competitors.
The CL63 is on a completely different level than the M6. You can clearly see that by just looking at the price.
The M6 is a 4 seat convertible that is sporty and luxurious.
The CL63 is a huge luxury coupe that has a huge engine. The CL63 isn't made to ever set foot on a track.
Whats your point? They have been comparing the 4 door C63 sedan to the M3 coupe for ages. Those 2 seats don't mean anything. You can literally rip those seats right out of the M6 and it will still be slower. It lost by a full second, not a tenth of a second.
You're totally wrong. The Mercedes is using a 5.5 liter V8 here (Not the old 6.2). It makes vastly more torque as well. BMW was simply out classed here.
The M Benz is an awesome car. Everyone says it is ugly, but go see it in person.
The sound on the video does not do it justice. The car has an amazing sound.
The comfort of the M Benz is awesome. The Horsepower is amazing for a M. Benz. It is really an amazing car. If you have not seen one or driven one, it is hard to comment. I have looked at both, driven both. The Comparison is wrong in the video, because I believe them to be in different classes.
what a review! it really delivered driving impressions and input, not just silly numbers. loved that. it had kind of chris harris-feel to it.
R.I.P 10 Cylinder Sound. You will be well missed by lots of fans.
Yep. We're at the era where a Mercedes AMG can outhandle and is lighter than a BMW M. The traditional M trademark has been lost, and along with that the reason to buy BMW M models.
They are both electronically limited to 155 to decrease carbon emissions. Unlimited, both would top 190
This comparison is a bit unrealistic; the BM is a much bigger and heavier car than the Merc. Perhaps if the comparison had been over the convertible M3, but that car has a naturally aspirated V8. Point is, both cars aren't exactly on the same level. Regardless, it was a an awesome video!
BMW has prove time and time again that handling is more important than 0-60 times.
EVery car reviewer whom has been asked the question: "BMW or Mercedes?" has always said something along the lines of this: "Well Mercedes makes some great cars now and again but every BMW that has came out has been pretty much amazing in one way or another!."
Jeremy Clarkson actually said: "Both manufactures make good cars but every BMW that has been launched has been fantastic!"
i loved the old m6 but not the new one and i did not love the old sl63 but i am in love with the new one,reason being last m6 was a true bmw, the new m6 is heavier than the old one, with the sl new,it is lighter than the old one, that sums up everthing, please bring us the classic m cars,which are full of character,
yeh, your probably right... I didn't think about the engines, however, the CL63 would most likely beat the M6 in acceleration, but, loose in top speed.
@Str8representing You're right the 6 compares with the CL, but the SL does t compare with the z4. The slk is the z4 rival
5.3 to 60 for the m6 cant be right its probably around 4.3ish
did he really make a lap time with the wind reflector up?
that AMG engine is a masterpiece, you don't have arguments against this. The rest is just taste.
Well, the part about timing is true. I won't drive it on a race track, but on a road. So it's mostly down to how much space you need, and which car u like more. And, as they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
SL smashed it! Beast sounds, better body control and faster to 60.....My only problem is I cannot afford the darn fuel bill, let alone the price....100K? Feck, thats alot.
and let me tell you i owned a 2012 cls63. and it sucked so bad i sold it after 1 month. why do you think i sold it if it was better? the handling is shitty compared to a BMW. and the interior uses crappy fake leather on the dash. i paid big bucks for real leather not this mb tex crap that mb uses. they even use it in the S class !!! fuck are you kidding me? if i were to get any other mercedes, it would be the 6.3.not the new 5.5
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in car and driver If you like your engine via enhanced stereo noise go for the M6. Love my SL 63
actually the bmw is 4.4 and the benz is 5.4. they are both twin turbo, and i am sure that anyone who is a rev head will understand that 1 second between 5 seconds 0-100 (m6) and 4 seconds 0-100 (sl) is a huge difference.