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I want a Primarch based around a Literal Caveman. Like straight up, he's sent to an uninhabited planet, and starts civilization by himself, from scratch
@@joshuagraham2843 >Iphone: Breaks easy, all flair no depth, samey and boring easily falls to chaos. >Nokia: Sturdy, Stylish, always there for you, iconic, has never fallen to chaos. Man Space Marines suck now that you lay it out like this.
imagine if a primarch landed on an ork world and fought and beat them became their leader and ran into the imperium he'd only know war and love his ork boiis leading to the emperor killing him off
@@gannonfrank maybe this is why Ghaz sucks in comparison to The Beast. Maybe The Beast was actually a Primarch? A big green boi, and the Orks were like "Dis guy iz big, lets do wot e says" As in every Ork codex, it states if you're the toughest and green, Orks will follow you. It would explain why there hasn't been an Ork close to The Beast since, and why the Emperor himself, as well as a load of primarchs had to go and fight him.
So, consider the following: 1) Geneseed are known to carry some of the most prominent features and traits from the original Primarch to the marine, which end up sharing those traits with the Primarch. 2) When a new chapter is born, they are often made by selecting marines for a common specialization, trait or personality. Some Chapters are made for a specific type of combat while some are made with marines that have similar traits (like Black Templars were the most zealous of the Imperial Fists) or any other reason really, but the marines chosen to make a new chapter often share something. 3) Ultramarines have some of the unknown legionaries in them, which still have their geneseed 4) It's entirely possible that, if their geneseed was still used and allowed to be use for creating new marines, by the centuries some of the marines that have a strong connection with the lost primarch's traits with their geneseed could have been put together to form chapters that are different from all the others Said so, if we are able to find a few chapters from the Ultramarines that are radically different from the proper Ultramarines descendant, but similar to each others, those could be the lost Primarchs descendant. Let me give you an example. Both Mortifactors and Doom Eagles (and possibly Scythes of the Emperor but I don't know them well) are Ultramarines descendant, but have a fascination and acceptance of death on various degrees with is far more morbid than normal Ultramarines would be. What if the reason they have this trait is because they are not real Ultramarines but actually the descendent of a very monastic, morbid and bleak Primarch? But hey, that's just a theory. A game theory.
Wasn't Sigismund told by Dorn that he isn't his father. Given that its the big yellow autist he might have meant that literally. But I like to think that Sigismund was a descendent of one of the lost legions and the black templars are as well. The lost primarch could have been too over zealous and purge happy to exist even within the early imperium.
This could be canon explenation they would come up with. A primarch so obsessed with death, void and entropy that would make Corvus look like jolly children storyteller uncle. So this lost "death" primarch somehow got to the Ghoul Stars and found there is a 3th dimension apart from material realm and chaos. A pure void, death, entropy of everything, and that its not vacant. he would get enthralled by the denizens, maybe even willingly, told them about the imperium and this universe and how to cancel it and this would lead to the Ragnam wars. He would be the purged primarch, the edgy successors of smurfs his descendants. The other would be so zealous he would never stop trying to eradicate everything non-human, to the degree it endangered the imperium by simply woking something old and forgotten, waking necrons, luring tyranids, bringing back youvath, finding origin of the gates on necromunda and the living lighting etc and in the end got lost in the unexplored region of the gallaxy, or even got the perfect idea to enter stasis and travel to ANOTHER gallaxy mass effect andromeda style. This would be the lost primarch and black templars would be his descendants.
Theory: Since every primarch has a part of the emperor’s abilities The 2 missing primarchs could have either: A.Emperor’s IQ B.Manipulation abilities (Idek, give some suggestions to me)
As each primarch is a part of Big E's personality/emotions, I like the idea of a pacifist primarch that simply asked the emperor "could you erase my records and let me live?" and the emperor actually said YES... so this primarch is still alive, in a feudal world, just relaxing, but his records were wiped cuz if not he would be bothered too much.
As much as I love this idea, I find it unlikely that the emperor would have created a pacifist primarch in the first place. Maybe it was more art than science.
@@Fordo007 Oh, no I meant that the primarch creation process was more art than science, meaning the emperor wasn't perfect at making what he was intending.
Maybe he’s one of the rich high lords that only the emperor and the primarchs know about. Thus he’s just still alive to this day and aids big G and E when they need
@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370 in all seriousness that would make sense. The Emperor was a man of science and he might have experimented to see if female space marines were possible. There's 2 great of merits that I can think of if it were possible as well, one you can recruit more since your choices won't just be males, 2nd if reproduction between space marines were possible that would probably be a more reliable way of making the next generation of space marines than forcing geneseeds into regular humans.
There are also 2 more hints that you have missed: 1) When Horus, Jaghatai and Alpharius confronted Malcador for removing the statues of the Lost Primarchs, Malcador tried to force choke him when Horus tried to say their name. There are were letters that we managed to see....Mal-... Which implies that one of their name was Malal probably. 2) I dont remember who (i think it was Rogal Dorn) but at some point it was stated if the Lost Legions had joined Horus, they would have aldeady won.
@@Keksde Its just a speculation. Besides, Malal is no longer the official name for that god. Its Malice now. Another theory could be perhaps is perhaps the lost primarch dabbled in such dark powers that he achieved some sort of divinity. The full passage about Malal thing is: ‘Do not speak it,’ Malcador thundered, loading the words with psychic force that struck the primarch’s mind like a hammer to the forehead. Horus reeled, blinking away the pain. His brothers, too, seemed to feel the blow, along with every mortal still in the chamber. Even the Sigillite’s own ears rang, but he kept his voice firm and unwavering. ‘This was your father’s command, boy, and you all agreed to it. To disobey now is to break faith with the Emperor Himself.’ The primarch gave a wry, defiant grin. ‘My brother’s name was-’ Faster than human thought, Malcador’s empty hand snapped up into an arcane gesture long forgotten by any other living soul on Terra. +Silence.+ Horus froze, his limbs locked fast within his armour. He shuddered uncontrollably, pressure building in his muscles as he fought against it. Slowly, Malcador stood, holding the primarch in place with the power of his mind, and nothing more. The Khan sprang towards the centre of the room. ‘Lord Regent,’ he urged, holding out his open hands. ‘You must release him. Please. He speaks from grief, and the shame we all share.’ The air between them thrummed with invisible energy. Malcador could still see that hateful, defiant pride shining through, in Horus’ palsied gaze. ‘You are not ready for the future you crave,’ he hissed. ‘None of you are.’ He forced Horus down onto his knees. ‘Mal…’ the stricken primarch choked. ‘M-Mal… al…’ The Sigillite’s face twisted into a vengeful rictus. He felt the old, familiar rage beginning to stir, deep in his undying soul. ‘Enough. You will be silent, or I will unmake you, here and now.’
Actually, the lost legions were named in the first edition. They were the Rainbow Warriors, and the Valedictors. Since then, these two have been demoted to chapters. Fun fact: Valedictors means those who say "goodbye"
@@angrycrusader3926 no they were named after the green peace boat that was in the news a lot at the time of their creation by early GW, meaning on of the primarks is a massive hippy.
Homebrew Primarchs were plausible in the second edition where 40k was more fun and designed to take an entire day to play out a game and there were campaign rules that encouraged you to invest time into your army with each model earning their own name because they had a history. The third edition streamlined the game for tournament play and although it was good for the game overall the game lost something that never has never recovered.
As one who started in 2nd ed I feel the game has fallen quite a bit as well. 3rd ed was a hard cash grab as the points value on units plummeted. I don't like certain rules put in place to deal with heavy weapon abuse, so I'll be submitting a rule suggestion for overkill to deal with it. The current rules decimate the value of cover.
It's just better to leave gaps in the lore. If you want to ruin a mystery, explain it. GW will be idiots if they ever just comepletely fill in the mystery.
@@nikpapado9785 not really just wanted to poke some fun with facts and recommend an awesome band. Also at least I went ahead and made my Primarch OC his own thing that isn't necessarily dependant on GW not dropping lore on the 2nd and 11th. In Zach's background lore The Big E made him and 19 other back-up Primarchs in case something went wrong during the making of any of the OG 20(21) that would have rendered them unusable due to mutations or they died in the tube. Cue yeeting via Warp Fuckery and since he wasn't needed Big E left him and the others to basically fend for themselves with most of the second batch's whereabouts being unknown but I did allude to Zach putting one down because of rampant mutations in him...
I like to imagine that one of the lost primarchs was raised on a world called Rangda, which had an advanced and prosperous human culture that happily coexisted with the native xenos population (which was only barely tolerated by the Emperor, of course). The other lost primarch had a mutation that was deemed unacceptable by the Emperor, but his brother from Rangda sided with him when the Space Wolves and Dark Angels showed up to cull the mutant primarch and his legion. The "xenocide" ensued. This would explain why Horus had sympathy for his lost brothers and why both Sanguinius and Lorgar feared that the same fate would befall them. The only question I have is whether or not the lost primarchs are actually dead.
Or maybe he just thinks that because one should never underestimate the Psyker abilities of Malcador. He does have the ability to mess with memories, he admitted as much when speaking to Dorn and Gulliman.
@@MWH12085 I think even if he does, it would be making everyone think Russ killed them when Magus really did it. Or biggest plot twist Magus and Russ we're bestfriends then Malcador changed it so they hate each other
@@fountainchristain I think it might be because the two Primarchs aren't dead. My guess is one of them was "lost" in the Warp and is actually the one responsible for The Legion of The Damned and is essentially like a Deamon Primarch to spearhead the attack on the Chaos God's believing if any of his Primarchs was up to the task, its that one.
Try this on for size: Since we know the primarchs generally embody some part of the emperor: one of the lost primarchs was the embodiment of the Emperor's scientific prowess, and the lack of any moral qualms that went with it. To make that primarch, the Emperor used a piece of, or knowledge from, the Void Dragon to enhance its technical and scientific aptitude. That lucky boi ended up flung onto the homeworld of the Rangdan, and proceeded to fill their society with amazing, but utterly unconcionable, technology. He bent their society and there very genes to his will to create an empire of hectic technological advancement at any cost. An expansion fleet shows up at his empire's doorstep and he's like, "Your shit is all clunky and basic. I ain't bowing to that. Imma rule instead!"...and that primarchs name was SETRA, THE MUTHAFUCKIN' IMPERISHABLE!...j/k, I suck at making up names.
I could see it. We have magnus, roboute and rogal as more intellectual primarchs but none seem to be very technological. It would make sense that one of the lost primarchs was meant to be a scientific leader.
@@Dactaraad Right? I know we all joke that Magnus is a nerd, but he is more a books/D&D nerd. Ferrus Manus? Dude made fuckin' power tools! Where is my hacker/techie primarch? Where is the primarch that gives the Mechanicus robo-boners, and shits STC's? Where is the Primarch that didn't wait for the Emperor to show up and made his own gene-babies!?
Hearing that in canon, one is called “the -lost- purged” and the other “the forgotten”, tells me that neither turned traitor or betrayed, but that one probably was killed by the rangdan (or possessed by them, and Russ put them down, like imagine marine vs marine with the -lost- purged ones screaming “forgive me brothers, PLEASE KILL ME!” While not in control of their bodies). -Where they could either be “lost” as in legion destroyed or “lost” because they lost who they are, and had to be put down.- And the forgotten ones, seems more like they faded away, maybe a gene seed weakness that caused them to have permanent amnesia or became like the exiled eldar who live in isolation with a hunter/gatherer or agrarian lifestyle. They were “forgettable” in comparison to the other legions. If anything the “forgotten” legion may be able to return, if the forgotten is more metaphorical, in a sense of “you’re dead to me”, as “forgotten” is a really weird word to use to describe a *dead* legion/primarch. Edit: over printed “lost” over “purged”
It is confirmed that the Ultramarines and Imperial Fists absorbed the Lost Legions It is also confirmed that the Two Primarchs were intentionally purged from history by Malcador, Emperor and Dorn. Dorn stated that if the truth about the Two Primarchs came out it would destroy the Imperium much worse than the Heresy!
My favorite theory is that they were sent to another galaxy to find a way to defeat chaos and it will take them so long to get back that they were "lost to us"
The Minge Destroyers were once the Emperor's favourite legion, but fell out of favour due to repeated 'transgressions' against other Astartes legions, and evetually succumbed tragically to Chaos. Dan Abnett is on it
Those two and The Angel, (Proto Primarch) are possibly the two biggest secrets the Emperor has. Third one is most likely the fact he preferes pointy ears spiners over muscular big tittied nuns.
Interesting fan theory is that the angel is the primarch for the grey knights. as I've seen many things stated saying the grey knights geneseed is closer to the emperors or it's more pure, it could just be baiting people to think its the emperors geneseed rather than the Angel's, who would have a more pure gene seed. Some people also believe the terminus decree would be to release the angel
@@abrammilner9560 most likely. After all. The Angel was said to be equally or almost as powerful as Emps and is guarded by sh*t tone of sisters of Silence because he is even more crazy than Konrad Curze and believes the only way to stop chaos, is to kill everything. Oh crap. I think that’s why the sisters of Silence are silent. They were first made to guard the Angel and forbidden to speak of it like with 2th and 11th and later forgot about it. Ehh. Imperial inteligence at its finest.
@@abrammilner9560 I was thinking he was the primarch of the thunder warriors, but I guess they had their own primarchs. Still, the thunder warrior primarchs weren't really their primagenitors. I was thinking the angel was the primarch of the thunder warriors, since they're a cut above regular space marines as primarch 0 is to primarchs.
@@rutgerhauser2377 I wouldn't see it due to the reason you stated but could it be retconned into existence? Of course lol, it just really seems possible for the angel to be the primarch of the grey knights the way the lore says their geneseed is more direct from the emperor, yet of the many statements I've seen it seems to not say it is directly/solely from the emperor
The main factors you missed, that I feel are the most relevant: 1. The deletion of the two Primarch occurred in a time when the OTHER Primarchs had no idea of the Ruinous Powers. This does not mean that the two deleted Primarchs were unaware, and it would be a good reason for them to be deleted before all the other Primarchs were found. 2. The Emperor KNEW he would be betrayed. He didn’t know how. Maybe he also knew that he would be betrayed by 9 Legions, but not knowing which 9 meant he had to find all of them before allowing the Rebellion to run its course since it was something that was going to happen no matter what the Emperor did. Finding all the Primarchs BEFORE that part of Fate unraveled gave him a better chance of affecting things AFTER the point where his prescience ended: his death. He KNEW he would die, but he did NOT know how Humans would fare after that. 3. There is Power in a name. Malchador almost deleted Horus for daring to utter the name of one of his brothers. Not knowing about how summoning demons work, the Primarchs would assume the banning of their names was more about hiding shame rather than the actual threat of summoning them to Terra. Or worse, uttering their name away from Terra would be far more dangerous without the Emperor’s ability to shield them from the Ruinous Powers. If Horus COULD utter his Brother’s name on Terra without any dire consequences, then he would be emboldened to speak their name out in the Galaxy. So why didn’t the Emperor just tell them the actual reason for the name on speaking their names? Because the Emperor did not feel that his sons were ready for the full story. What would go through YOUR head if you were told there’s a chance you would betray your Father? You would deny it; then you would doubt yourself; then you would feel persecuted for any little correction; then you would feel betrayed thinking the Emperor would entertain such thoughts; then factions would form; then Primarchs would fall into accusing each other of failure or deceit…then the Heresy would happen ANYWAYS, but Mankind’s standing in the Galaxy would be for worse for it. The difficulty of collapsing a probability wave for an event is exponentially proportional to the temporal distance of that event. The farther into the future you look, the foggier it becomes. The Emperor had to do EVERYTHING he could to PREPARE Mankind for an eventuality that He could not prevent. The best he could do was buy as much time as he could to make as many preparations as possible. Sanguinius was so tightly bound to the Emperor that he had the ‘gift’ of knowing when and how he would die. Sanguinius knows better than ANYBODY else the weight that comes with knowing when you will die. Not only that…their deaths were even tied by fate like two quantum entangled particles traveling toward the same point. 4. An Astartes loyalty is determined by where they were born and who they spent the most time with; not their geneseed. What happened with the Lost Legions is a direct foreshadow of what happened at Istvan III during the drop site massacre. Horus did EXACTLY what his Father did: he departed the legions based on their likely loyalties once the Heresy became official. The Emperor reclaimed his Terran-Born grandchildren BEFORE ending the two original traitor Legions, just like Horus sent the Terran-born Astartes to Istvan III BEFORE beginning the rebellion. EVERY single Primarch is a perfect reflection of their Father in SOME aspect. The squabbling between the Primarchs are the conflicts the Emperor has in his own mind made real and terrible. Lorgar embodied the Emperor’s desire to be viewed as a God revered for who he was; not for what was right. Guilliman represented The Emperor’s desire to do what needs to be done so that Mankind will be ready to fight in a Galaxy without Him. The throw down between Lorgar and Guilliman is the most critical conflict within himself as the Emperor of mankind: strive to be the most powerful God that he can be so he can ALWAYS protect Mankind, OR teach Mankind to fish so that they won’t be lost when The Emperor is no longer around. Lorgar had good intentions, but we all know where good intentions lead. It is the dance between the theoretical and the practical that Mankind needs to learn so they have a fighting chance of survival with him. And this leads to the final point… 5. The Codex Astartes: an manual on DECENTRALIZATION. The Emperor knows that centralizing power is a precarious endeavor because all it takes is for ONE tyrant to inherit ALL of that power to see destruction fall everywhere. This includes Himself. Even if he remains loyal to Mankind, his unpreventable death means there WILL be a power vacuum that he HOPES will be filled by somebody who understands the danger of a centralized government. He wants a system where the largest corruption is unable to bring the entire system down. Guilliman understood that, so he crafted the Codex Astartes. EVERY functional complex system evolves towards decentralization. The systems that fall apart the fastest are the ones that become or remain centralized.
I feel like they sided with xenos or something. Also the master of the Second was already active when Fulgrim was new in the biz. He had no humour and spoke little.
The two lost Primarchs are detailed in the second Realm of Chaos book. They are Belakor and Sigmar. Seriously, it's in there. The two are lost because those Roman Legions were lost historically.
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Could have sworn that the Primarch of the 2nd was like " Advocate of Man" and rebelled against the Big E because of the way the Empire treated normal people. His principals were so pure that he felt he had to fight the Big E. Thats why Russ and Robby G hated to off him and why so much of his legion survived. As for the other one I thought he was sent so far out no one had ever found him.
Legion 2 - primarch’s quality was “love” from the emperor. In having such a quality in him and his legion, they believed in “mingling” with the zenos, thus being sacrilege and tainting their humanity. Legion 11 - His quality was an obsession for tech and constant advancement/improvements. He came to the realization the human/primarch body was not good enough and became obsessed with the idea of giving up his humanity for machine body. Like his brother in giving up humanity, it was looked at as sacrilege and needed to be culled.
@@synergy8879 my friends and I are currently having some homebrew rpg and I'm the one who has to come up some new stuff to help out the GM and our XIth boy is doing something similar to that lmao
The two lost legions were actually named in early canon books. I remember one of them was definitely the Rainbow Warriors, and if I remember correctly the other was the Scythes of the Emperor (but I might be wrong about that second one). Unfortunately, I haven't found any mention of their Primarchs' names.
I remember seeing artwork of a Primarch titled, Tlatia, true daughter of the emperor. She was heavily Aztec themed and the design was impeccable. The legion seemed to still be entirely male except for her. The author that commissioned that artwork deleted his story and worldbuilding after receiving some criticism about it but I still liked the design the artist came up with.
I just looked at it, and yeah, that is a great color scheme and aesthetic. I wouldn't mind a reveal the two missing Primarchs were women either, would be an interesting new development. But that Meso-American theme is really just cool.
I'm calling it now!! The ethereals of the Tau came from nowhere and guided the tau. Perhaps the Ethereals are related to the "Rangdan" as they can use their charisma to even turn humans to their cause. The Rangdan can be a higher form of ethereal and was even capable of turning a primarch against the Emperor. Whatever the fate of the missing primarchs, the Ethereals must be related to these mysterious xenos!
I know of a lore snippet that told of how Eldar abducted a xenos species that also have mind-influencing crystal organs like the Tau Etherals. So it could be that Eldar have developed Tau as a measure against chaos since they are less susceptible to chaos than most others.
@@willmosse3684 Dorn, Perturabo where both talented in fortifications Fulgrim, Ferrus Manus, Vulkan and Perturabo where all great at constructing weapons and technology
I always thought that was deliberate. Sanguinius and Angron are both psychotic berserkers, but their attitudes and the choices they made led them down very different paths. The same goes for Sanguinius and Konrad both being able to see the future, Perturabo and Dorn both being skilled in siege warfare and architecture, and Ferrus and Fulgrim both being brilliant craftsmen.
Well, primarchs didn't knew Chaos up until Lorgar's discovery imo, I could be wrong tho, I know one of the primarchs was warned about it (Could be Lion or Magnus imo), but nothing more
@@hermesthence Well Since Magnus sold his legion and his own soul to Tzeentch I doubt he had any idea about the Gods of chaos. But you Lion theory is sound ... since his homeworld was the closest to the eye or terror and was basically a prison for a greater daemon. Plus I really think that if the ghosts watchers bothered to contact Zahariel they must have also reached out to the Lion during his stay in the wilderness ... hell maybe they even saved and raised him as newborn primarchs were quite vulnerable.
@@MrFallenone i was thinking of zahariel and nemiel and also the xenos who contacted Alpharius Omegon might have contacted one of the lost before teh Emprah found them.
I like the idea that the 11th Primarch, is currently sitting in the cells underneath the imperial Palace. It would be interesting to see a Primarch not only be introduced to the setting, but to be operating without a legion.
If part of the legions went to the Ultramarines, did the Ultramarines use their gene-seed, or did they just house them and let them die when their time came?
@@superiorsoldier57 I’m sure it was more about psychic effects. When the Primarchs were gestating, some Word Bearers went back in time and broke the Gellar field which resulted in the Primarch Shuffle… Because the Warp is created by emotions and Warp entities are attracted by emotions, a fetus is safe from detection because it is unable to feel emotions until AFTER birth. As emotions disturb the Warp, human inhabited worlds would be natural locations for travelers in the Warp to end up. As the Emperor has a large presence in the Warp, he would have a natural affinity for human populated worlds, and that would create natural currents from Terra to these other worlds which the gestation pods would rebel along… Because breaking from the Warp into the Materium is easier where the barrier is thinner, these planets would be susceptible to corruption from the Warp.
In “False Gods”, Horus has a time-travel experience / is shown a false vision where he damages the chamber containing the 11th Primarch just prior to the scattering of the Primarchs, hinting that he did not survive.
@@tomtheconqerur But for PR reasons, the Emperor had to distance himself from Majorkill due to concerns over him being too into "big titty Eldar girlfriends."
I think one of the chapters could be the Legion of the Damned. Also what could the two Primarchs have done to deserve being erased from existence, while the traitor primarchs are still common knowledge?
Ho many things ! All the stuff that the Emperor could consider worst than treason such as : - Suicide - Coexistence with xenos races - Ascension to God-hood - Refusal to take part in his master plan to unify the galaxy
That’s my theory for that as well, I like to think one Primarchs fell to chaos early, and was chased by tye otyer Primarchs into the warp, and then the loyal Primarchs legion are the legion of the damn, while he still pursued the other legion
I know I’m three years late but one theory I’ve seen is that the Horus heresy is FAR worse than whatever happened with the lost primarchs, and that they were removed from history as a mercy, whereas the records of the heresy are kept in the history books so they (and their crimes) are remembered and hated
I know this is 3 years ago, but I still wanna comment. I think the three most likely answers are: 1. Refusal to fight for the Emperor, for any reason. Wether it's pacifism, or refusal to commit genocide or wanton destruction, they did not take up arms, and Big E was mad about it. 2. They fell to chaos, possibly because they had no idea what the warning signs looked like, but any death and destruction they caused was small enough to be contained, censured. The only reason the Heresy wasn't was because it was just too big, with too many consequences. Multiple primmarchs died, the emperor is now a husk on a throne, and the Imperium has stagnated for years and years and years. 3. They were raised by xenos, and thus considered them their true family, and were killed for their 'betrayal.'
Maybe Majorkill is truly himself a Primarch who got yeeted through a chaos portal into an alternate (our) timeline and was disgraced because the Big E found his gigantic pile of Hentai, full Bodypillows and other stuff while he searched for him.
A pretty cool primarch concept would be if the 2nd had the ability to see in the past, a bit like Conrad’s future and for the reason he was killed or lost was because he accidentally looked into the emperor’s past and saw that he was involved in mass genocide with the thunder warriors and his plans to go into the web way. Forcing the emperor to kill the 2nd so is plans are not fucked with
I actually have a theory on one of the lost primarchs that could fit in well with the lore....ish. More specifically the 11. Figured this was a good place to put it as any. Any constructive critic is welcome I believe the 11th Primarch, faked being a blank. Crazy right, how and why would he do this. Well the why is simple. He knew about about both the chaos gods and the emperors hope for humanity. Starving the chaos gods, and turning humanity into warp entities. Through taking to him through the warp like magnus. Being a powerful psycher himself. However, instead of doing this the way the emperor wanted to, he decided to do it chaos way. Absorbing the warp to feed his transformation and prove it could be done. And it worked. This allowed him to gain a lot of power without many noticing it, chaos or the emperor and could have helped starve chaos out. He even taught this to his legions psychers to do the same thing, and even starting to get some of his regular marines to do it in secret. He sneaked it passed the emperor by saying it might have been a geneflaw, causing his children to become blanks over time. The emperor having too many important things to do and not caring decided to go along with it. But then he got too arrogant. At first he was absorbing it moderately, but for some reason he began to drain even more of the warp.... no matter the source. And then it happened. The mind controlling Xenos got him and many of his legion. Through the subtle coxing through the warp which he didn't notice tdo to all the other absorptions he was doing, they got him. A Primarch, who has spent years absorbing the warp causing him to become an even more powerful psycher than magnus himself, and empower his sons with it. Was turned against the Emperor by his own foolishness. Him and his sons. A perfect army to destroy the imperium. Not only does this damage the imperium in a massive way, but it also damages two important players in the future of the imperium The emperor- for the first time ever seeing a blank cornuted by psychic energy, an impossibility. Damages his belief in weather or not he could control the psychers of the imperium. If this random group of Xenos could find a way to turn a blank into a powerful pyscher, who couldn't. And Russ. Who had to fight a brother, a brother who used the warp....well, helps explain his distrust of Magnus and his use of the warp even more. However this brings up a question. How did the Rangdan xenos become so powerful. Well...who said the Alpha legion were the only ones tricked by the Cabal. I believe the Rangdan xeno wars were an attempt to destroy the imperium. By the Cabal. Who gave them the strength to do it. They gave them the ability to trick a primarch. By tricking the 11 into thinking he was fighting the chaos gods. That way he way he would continue to absorb the warp in order to weaken them, and fight so viscously against the imperium and humanity he loved. Until he was killed. However his story doesn't end there. For you see, because they tricked him into thinking he was fighting chaos. He began to absorb one specic thing. And did the exact opposite They turned him from sapping all of the warp. To the hatred of the chaos gods. This along with his already powerful abilities and his skill at absorbing warp energy allowed him to stay Until all that hatred of chaos formed a new being. And Malice was born. Malice, the god who wants to see the chaos gods die. Malice, the god who does not control your fate, like the Cabal did to him. Malice, the only warp creature who does not activly fight the imperium. Malice the lover of the number 11. Malice, THE RENEGADE GOD. HAIL TO MALICE, THE RENEGADE GOD.
Wait, didn't Magnus more or less confirm that Umprimarching and unLegioning HAD been on the Table when they were discussing Lorgar, and it was decided against? It seems like it was a serious worry Lorgar had.
They truly f**ked up with that decision then, didn't they?! The Word Bearers and World Eaters are the best examples of the need for very, very late term abortion.
Fun fact the 2nd and 11 legion where the smallest legions and it was Robute who refused to kneel to his father and going the great crusade and hence the 13th was culled and the 2nd and 11th became the 13th legion and took on the mantle of the Ultramarines.
Personally I like the headcanon that both Lost Primarchs landed on planets controlled by Xenos, were raised by them and when the Emperor showed up and tried to exterminate said Xenos and "rescue" his sons from them the Primarchs sided with the Xenos and the Emperor had to kill them.
Icarion and the lightning bearers were created by someone called Athwares on the Bolter and chainsword forums, the thread is 40-50 pages long but worth the read. Its a few years old now, but at the time he took great care to integrate them into the lore in a way that made sense.
So what you're saying is that one of the Lost Primarchs was a weeb so Daddy E disowned him and sent wolf-boy to beat him up. This is now my head-canon, except that he also lived and created the Tau as revenge
@@akumaking1 Like how the Emperor said he is 50k years old and not just a random psycher warlord from the Age of Strife? Like how he told everyone he is not a God, before projecting himself through half the galaxy, making an entire legion fall to knee, suffocate them and their primarch in a blinding light and wave of psychic presence that would make an astarte catch a bloody nose... while declaring himself NOT A GOD? Or I donno. Like how he said chaos gods don't exist, to his son closest to him, knowing that the son literally projects himself into the warp, like a fucking sun in all consuming darkness? Beside his word, what exactly did he offer the Imperium as a proof? You know, beside sitting on the golden throne amassing a psycher presence in the warp that of a literal chaos god, at such a level that he could grind down slaneesh like a sausage put into a wood chipper, making his would be second birth reality shattering.
Semi-joking theory: the Second Legion, and their Primarch, had a gene flaw where everyone forgot about them the second they looked away from them. They're impossible to corrupt, since the Ruinous Powers can't perceive them, but have gone incredibly renegade in a vain attempt to get noticed at all ; they've gone so far as to not break up the Legion into chapters at all. They were never lost at all.
Could go well with them being blanks. And the primarch would end up either as ultimate nobody-loves-me edgelord as Konrad or ultimate depression incarnate
I always liked the idea that the two Lost Prinarchs, or at least one of them, had been somehow infiltrated and infected by the Rangda, as one of the reasons why the Ranga were so difficult to eradicate is that they "hid inside the of the Imperial citizenry". While this could be a metaphor for simply hiding among them, I think its more literal. The Rangda *literally* hid inside them, somehow infesting the human populations and them emerging once more when the might of the Legions had been expended in the LAST round of fighting. Hence why the Emperor likely had to unchain the Void Dragon: he needed to utterly annihilate every last Rangda all at once with 0 survivors. So, the Primarchs, being infested by the Rangda and turning on the other Legions, had to be destroyed. The shame of this was so great that the Emperor had it expunged for all time.
I’m idea for the explanation of the lost Primarchs is based around the idea that it would be funny if this unbelievably horrific, unthinkable, tragic atrocity that as been built up and built up is actually just a big anticlimax, and actually their crime was something fairly low key. Something like simply not agreeing with / believing in the idea of the great crusade and not wanting any part of it. But wait! Not agreeing with / believing in the idea of the great crusade would be totally unthinkable, unforgivable, and abhorrent crime to the emperor! Twist! I think it makes perfect sense. Maybe primarch II found it distasteful and wanted to quit, and primarch XI just refused to join in the first place and resisted. Think how big E reacted when Angron refused. Also maybe they’re not dead. Maybe big E didn’t destroy their statues and kept their quarters on Terra as shrines because they’re in stasis somewhere as big E thought he could “fix them” somehow at a later date and only he knew and tinkered with the primarchs memories. All very big E things to do. This is my head canon anyway!
The 11th lost primarch is malice, minor chaos god of anarchy. His sacred number is 11, which they make a big deal out of at every point, and is refered to as the lost god. Even got his own chapter called the sons of malice.
Headcanon The Rangdan were like a psychic bacteria that infected other races, not strong individually but incredibly potent in the warp due to shear numbers, strong enough to eventually take over a Primarch (a single demon was enough to take over Fulgrim for a while so it can happen). The Genocides wiped out the hosts but some Rangdan essence remained in the warp due to warp fuckery and the Primarchs being Primarchs and infused with their own death defying warp fuckery Emp's did what he tried to do to the Chaos gods and pretend he didn't exist and wiped all records since if enough people remembered the Primarch he may have ended up coming back like a demon, bringing the Rangdan with him. The other Primarch was lost in a webway experiment along with a lot of his legion and the Emp wiped him from records to try and keep his webway project a secret. The other notion is that one of them just straight up died one day. His legion was mostly fine but there was a flaw in his creation that just led to him dropping dead much to everyones suprise.
Bobby g mentioned to Corax that he had members of his legion fall to a similar issue to Raven guards gene seed flaw and wanted to utilize them in specialized squads. I would make a lot of sense if the lost legion joining the ultra Marines.
personally i think for the sake of it being able to happen a few interesting ideas 1 primarch was not interested in war and asked the emperor to write him out so he did, and that primarch is just chilling somewhere in peace or is aa scientist where he cant rly fking fight, but is super good and emps attempt to get rid of mars and the void dragon as a need to get rid of religion entirely and now this primarch is outside of the galaxy in unknown regions trying to get technology to surpass what was in the dark age OR it could also be one primarch was a blank ( or what its called) and the entire legion was affected to some degree, this could lead to them being HARD hated as the primarch could have literally crippled other primarchs or even disrupt the emperor, like a reverse magnus in this case that geneflaw could have had some extreme variation with the other astartis created, perhaps some of the not hard affected ones who oined the ultra marines where harder to corrupt and didnt have that much negative effect i mean look imagine the emperor trying to have an ANTI warp primarch and realized rly late how bad of an idea it was, as this weardass mutant of a primarch with his weard ass soul was literally fking entire planet systems imagine how hard travel would be at that point that primarch becomes 1 a gigantic issues to have as an allie since he rly would just be around, making it tragic how they rly did want to help, but by nature where incapable to do so due to their ability 2 it was said if the lost primarchs had been with horus horus had already won, imagine a super anti psyker primarch vs the emperor, that would be a massiv issue, it would also be easy to flip them since everybody hates them they could not rly join chaos, but i imagine thy would be a LITTLE like the alpha legion where they would just fuck around the galaxy for a while afterwards or hoped for better treatment
a blank primarch sounds awesome...but aren't the primarchs partly warp entities? Thats why they are so great at daemon killing and why they are so charismatic/psychic powers/ ability to fly and stuff... I would love some pariah based space marines but it seems to me that at least in part the gene seed tech is warp based. So i don't think a blank primarch and/or space marine is possible.
@@dawittegeumins imagine though The emperor could have tried to make 1 and the result was rly problematic Perhaps he was even able to combine blanc and primarc power together
Can you imagine if one of the lost primarchs was only lost because he was intercepted by a comet before he reached his planet and has been comet surfing for the last 10k years xDDDD
It seems like everyone forgets or overlooks this but in Fabius Bile second book, its stated that a Primarch was Lost in a raid of the Black Stone Fortress. In that same book, The Silent King states he nearly added something similar (to Fulgrim) to his collection.
Finally, I can learn more Infos and lore about those ghosts at last! I waited for a novel about this specific topic since I discovered this incredible universe in 2004! GW do something! Thanks, MajorKill!
11th primarch was Malibron, was imprisoned after going mad during the great crusade and killing loads of marines. Was apprehended by Russ and taken to Terra. Apparently his legion was yellow, red and blue. 2nd legion was also seemingly yellow (and black), there's art that shows a banner of the legion where it's a black dragon on a yellow field, shaped like a number 2 - it almost looks like the black swan of western Australia because of its shape
I don't want to know what happened to them. I don't think those types of details make the story better. Finding out that some perpetual chick was responsible for scattering the Primarchs in a recent bit of canon, for example, did NOT improve the story. JRR Tolkien used to say that he didn't write a sequel to LotR for just that reason - giving everyone an explanation for what happens to everything and everyone actually shrinks the mythos of fantasy. Leaving some questions unanswered, and some places unexplored, makes the universe seem larger. We unfortunately live in an age where nerds are all self-diagnosed OCD (while really just being incels stuck to their struggling computer chair with too many porn tabs open) and they think they need every prequel, every sequel, and every spinoff or else the writers of said fiction are "ruining" the universe. When in fact, it just dilutes the best parts to fill in every detail, and there's no reason to re-visit, suspend disbelief, and use one's own imagination.
Finding what happened in the Randang would ruin that mystery. It sounds so severe that finding out what happened just wouldn't live up to it. Dropping more hints is always fun though
Something horrible must've happened that other Primarchs felt so bad for them. Horus called them honorable and said they fought for the Imperium, yet the wolfs were sent to take them down. Maybe they just went renegade, turned against the Emperor.
i got a couple theories for the lost legions. A major one being that one of them was a primarch version of a blank. would make sense why the emperor would try to take him out immediately.
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One of them got mixed up in C’Tan or Necron shenanigans. A Lost Primarch got connected to the Ymga Monolith, which was Star Forge levels of broken, capable of DUPLICATING Necron vessels. If the Rangdan Xenocides were going that poorly, a Lost Primarch could’ve decided that the ends justified the means and gone to explosively increase the fleet numbers of the Crusade.
What about subject 11 in the imperial dungeon. I’ve heard people say that could be the 11th primarch. I like to think one of the lost, didn’t agree on genocide of any species and refused the emperor and just got unlucky that Russ was the first one he met after making that decision. That would be my story, the 11 landed on a world shared by zenos and chaos. When the 11th was away, chaos attacks his people and the xenos being honorable defended his people in return the primarch welcomes them as brothers and unites the world and defeats chaos. When the emperor finds him, the emperor plays it cool at first but then tries to get rid of the Xenos because they look evil to most imperials. The 11th won’t accept this and pledges to defend them, his sons agree and fight with him. When the emperor’s wraith comes , he had the zenos flee to a distant hidden world with his sons while he held back the imperial forces with his honor guard, until he was captured, but with the last demon attack on terra he was released.
From what I’ve read about the missing primarchs it was said that Malcador made the decision to purge them after interviewing both. It certainly seems reasonable that like Ikaron one of the missing primarchs was or became a pacifist, which obviously was useless to Big E. The other, in my head canon was unimpressed with the human imperium, possibly because they were raised by aliens. So, good theory crafting.
Going off what little info we have to work on I like the idea of Ikarion and the lightning bearers. Space marines that wield lightning is awesome, plus it would be nice to have another psycher heavy legion. The second legion could come from a Japanese style world that was very isolationist with a big emphasis on honor, so the Primarch grew up to have a very strict code of honor and moral compass. When the Emperor came for him, the second wasn't too keen on it until he realized he and his planet were outmatched, so he reluctant joined. Sadly after one too many massacres, and the events of the Rangoon Xenocides, the second legion said "screw this" and quit. This enraged the Emperor who sent Russ to get rid of him. For the eleventh legion, the plague wars trilogy mentioned that there was a flaw in the eleventh primarch that made the emperor realize he would be.a failure before he was even born. What I eventually came up with was that the eleventh primarch was physically the biggest and strongest of all his brothers. Unfortunately, he lacked the intelligence his brothers possessed, think Lennie Small, from Of Mice and Men. Despite his mental short comings, he was able to lead the eleventh legion effectively, explaining.why the emperor didn't just kill him outright. Unfortunately, this flaw caused him and many of his sons to be highly susceptible to the Rangdan's mind control. In the end, the Rangdan were wiped out and Russ had to tell the eleventh brother about the rabbits before putting him down.
I imagine one of the lost primarchs was the ultimate navigator. His job was to connect all of humanity telepathically and grant perfect navigation in the Warp. He would give humans peerless coordination and act as a failsafe to the Webway Project. Before he could fully grow and master his gift, he made contact with the Tyranid Hive mind, defecting to it as the only way to unify the galaxy and defeat Chaos.
I always thought that one of missing Primarchs joined one of alternative human civilization that was not willing to join little bit evil looking Empire. He made his choice to fight and die with them. Second one definitely got corrupted by Chaos before Horus.
The Second Primarch was Contemplative, I doubt he got deleted by Rus. The 11th however has a high chance of getting yeeted, just as Sanguinus told that he does not want to be like one of the Lost Legion. My Theory is that the 2nd got Yeeted so hard in the Rangdang Xenocide it broke apart and the fresh troops destined for the 2nd Legion got absorbed into Guilliman's Legion or some other Primarch's Legion. While the 11th got Purged by Russ. The fate of the Second Primarch might be somewhere on a Hidden Hermit World.
Given that no Primarch is Australian, I am guessing one of the Lost Boys in an Aussie. He and his legion than lost a war to Space Emu's and the Emperor had all records stricken.
All I really know about them comes down to the titles given: The Lost and The Forgotten. Lost implies their removal wasn't something that was wanted to happen while Forgotten implies they did something worthy of being removed and purged. So one of the primarchs being destroyed was for some reason viewed as tragic while the other's was earned. So for The Lost there are a few ways I can see it going, they could have been destroyed in an event that no one saw coming, they could have been destroyed after being mind controlled, either destroying themself or approaching the emperor to do it as a way to repent for the action, or it was the gene-seed flaw and while still loyal perhaps the emperor himself destroyed him. I see The Lost as being removed from history not because of something they did but perhaps out of something like shame.
maybe in the beginning the big E had a more "cull the weak" approach to primarchs and after offing 2 of them and finding like konrad he thought "i cant kill them no more, id run out at this point lets just keep em" lol
My 11th Legion are called the Blood Tigers who were banished from the Great Crusade because of mass cannibalism. Basically they would routinely eat the flesh of their enemies to gain intel like where bases were and what their leadership tiers were. However they had a genetic flaw in this where they also were reliving the final moments and death of every corpse which over time and with the sheer amount, they started to go absolutely insane with the memories. Soon however they actually came to enjoy the feeling of terror that was new to them. They started to kill and eat anyone that was near them including any ally forces. The emperor got suspicious of why so MANY reinforcements kept disappearing around the legion and when he found out they were being eaten, he felt he had to end the cannibal legion. Russ was sent and in a bitter duel with the Primarch Album Tigris (White Tiger in Latin) he killed Tigris and the Blood Tigers fled eventually making it to the warp. Since then 80% of the legion has become nothing more than cannibalistic madmen and the rest that aren't have them locked in cells anytime that they are not in combat and only release them on the battle field. The color scheme is white with red tiger stripes outlined with black to pop out from the white. An example can be found here. spikeybits.com/2012/05/blood-tigers-of-khorne-adepticon-2012.html?envira_id=164158_3
I once created the two lost primarchs for an rp setting. Number 2 was a woman and her fall was the reason why female space marines were never attempted again (at least in my universe). The 11th Primarch, borrowing from a TTS joke was the gene father of the Astral Knights, who were expanded into an actual legion in my story. Also both survived through some 4th degree warp shenanigans that are...somewhat more believable than the feats of Him, Cato Sicarius?
I always felt the "lost legions" disappeared like they're stuck in warp storm or something like that. That would explain why they were expunged from the record books unlike the fallen primarchs and their legions. This would also explains why the remnants were integrated into other legions without incident. GW might be holding onto this as a potential expansion if there was enough demand. Russ could have simply lied to keep his legion safe from any punishment for failure being told to lie by the Emperor to save face. I would buy that expansion in a heartbeat.
Yeah, but there is an obsessions in fandom that the 11th Primarch fell to the renegade god Malice, since 11 is the holy number of Malice. While others say that it was the second Primarch who did and his name was even Malal.
What i wonder is the roles of the two lost primarchs? its very clear with some overlap each primarch was meant for a certain type of combat. What if one was meant to be a space bound chapter and the other maybe artillery?
My Theory: Big E is actually one of the lost primarchs. He was sent back in time thru warp-fuckery. Sent back to the dawn of humanity, to live as a man, and to become the Emperor. Which explains how he's an odd one among humans, almost perfect and single-minded in his pursuit to save humanity, and most importantly, no one seem to know his real name which would be a dead give-away. Also explains why it's tabooed to talk about the lost primarchs- cause they want nobody to find out what happened. Also explains why all the other primarchs went with it, and Horus got angry when Malcadore tried to remove their statues at the Imperial Palace. So, Big E got the knowledge of how to make himself and the primarchs at Molech, then makes them, then sends his younger self back in time. May be he didn't tell his younger self everything he already knows. If you stop thinking of Big E as superior to other primarchs, but as another , much older primarch, then suddenly all his mistakes don't feel so unexpected. I mean, the whole thing about primarchs is that beside being demigods, they are fallible. Or... He has done it multiple times, trying out different strategies to establish Imperium, conquer the galaxy and save humanity from Chaos before our psychic awakening, and this is just another iteration.
Well the missing primarchs are known as the Lost and the Purged. I think the Primarch of the 11th was the purged as in Horus rising when Horus saw the Emps basically let them go into the warp horus sabotaged the 11th primarhs capsule which probably allowed the warp to seep into during transit. The 2nd is implied to have gone missing during the rangdan. their was a teaser in some GW artwork talking about the rangdan deleting the 2nd legion.
Considering each Primarch is supposed to represent and aspect of Golden Daddy's personality, I suspect one of them inherited is sense of discovery or diplomacy, wound his way Into a sticky situation and got killed. The other might've been a pacifist, and likewise suffered after his chaos yeet.
I see that I'm not the only one who thinks they're missing a Chinese/Japanese themed primarch. (I am fully aware of the difference between China and Japan. They still have a great many similarities, especially when it comes to aesthetics.)
My headcannon has always been that they were just the only two primarchs who were disgusted enough (or at all) by the Emporer comitting genocide of human populations that didnt accept the Imperial Truth and comitting indescriminate and total xenocide that they turned against the Imperium. I also think that maybe when the two primarchs were yeeted away from the Emporers lab by Chaos they might have ended up landing on a world with a civilization where humans and xenos lived in harmony, like the Interex, and were raised by both humans and xenos (and, I mean, seeing what happened to the Interex, one can understand why they would be justifiably angry at their Big Daddy). Honestly im surprised Chaos didnt send more primarchs to worlds that had such civilizations. Although maybe it was because they simply didnt know how intensly xenophobic the Emporer was yet, or because Primarchs being destroyed for being buddies with aliens would mean there would be fewer of them to fall to Chaos later.
The only thing more lost than these Primarchs is my sleep schedule, just hit 5am babyyyy
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Because we don't talk about it
Lost legion primars astartes
I want a Primarch based around a Literal Caveman. Like straight up, he's sent to an uninhabited planet, and starts civilization by himself, from scratch
Omegon was by himself pretty much.
Pretty sure he won't get offended when Eldars call them mon'keigh
@@VladislavDrac he’D enjoy it probably
Basically conan the primarch instead of the barbarian
@@umadbroimatroll7918 I like it
"..or his tragic thunder-bois"
*crosses fingers and hopes for a thunder warrior episode*
That would actually be cool.
I would like this but your on 69 likes so that would be heresy
MajorKill going over the Badass Proto Primarch that was Arik Taranis would be fucking baller.
i like thunder warriors
i understand why emperor wanted to destroy them because thunder bois are obsellet just like nokia to iphone
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>Iphone: Breaks easy, all flair no depth, samey and boring easily falls to chaos.
>Nokia: Sturdy, Stylish, always there for you, iconic, has never fallen to chaos.
Man Space Marines suck now that you lay it out like this.
Lost primarchs got sent to an ork planet and are known as gork and mork
Big brain time.
I like it
imagine if a primarch landed on an ork world and fought and beat them became their leader and ran into the imperium he'd only know war and love his ork boiis leading to the emperor killing him off
@@gannonfrank maybe this is why Ghaz sucks in comparison to The Beast. Maybe The Beast was actually a Primarch? A big green boi, and the Orks were like "Dis guy iz big, lets do wot e says" As in every Ork codex, it states if you're the toughest and green, Orks will follow you. It would explain why there hasn't been an Ork close to The Beast since, and why the Emperor himself, as well as a load of primarchs had to go and fight him.
@Ahmet Sakızcı I am not sure Vulkan realizes anything anymore since he lost his mind for the n-th time.
So, consider the following:
1) Geneseed are known to carry some of the most prominent features and traits from the original Primarch to the marine, which end up sharing those traits with the Primarch.
2) When a new chapter is born, they are often made by selecting marines for a common specialization, trait or personality. Some Chapters are made for a specific type of combat while some are made with marines that have similar traits (like Black Templars were the most zealous of the Imperial Fists) or any other reason really, but the marines chosen to make a new chapter often share something.
3) Ultramarines have some of the unknown legionaries in them, which still have their geneseed
4) It's entirely possible that, if their geneseed was still used and allowed to be use for creating new marines, by the centuries some of the marines that have a strong connection with the lost primarch's traits with their geneseed could have been put together to form chapters that are different from all the others
Said so, if we are able to find a few chapters from the Ultramarines that are radically different from the proper Ultramarines descendant, but similar to each others, those could be the lost Primarchs descendant.
Let me give you an example. Both Mortifactors and Doom Eagles (and possibly Scythes of the Emperor but I don't know them well) are Ultramarines descendant, but have a fascination and acceptance of death on various degrees with is far more morbid than normal Ultramarines would be. What if the reason they have this trait is because they are not real Ultramarines but actually the descendent of a very monastic, morbid and bleak Primarch?
But hey, that's just a theory. A game theory.
Yeah I agree with this. The Mortifactors are too weird to be Ultramarine successors.
Wasn't Sigismund told by Dorn that he isn't his father. Given that its the big yellow autist he might have meant that literally. But I like to think that Sigismund was a descendent of one of the lost legions and the black templars are as well. The lost primarch could have been too over zealous and purge happy to exist even within the early imperium.
A strong well thought out theory supported by lore
This could be canon explenation they would come up with. A primarch so obsessed with death, void and entropy that would make Corvus look like jolly children storyteller uncle. So this lost "death" primarch somehow got to the Ghoul Stars and found there is a 3th dimension apart from material realm and chaos. A pure void, death, entropy of everything, and that its not vacant. he would get enthralled by the denizens, maybe even willingly, told them about the imperium and this universe and how to cancel it and this would lead to the Ragnam wars. He would be the purged primarch, the edgy successors of smurfs his descendants.
The other would be so zealous he would never stop trying to eradicate everything non-human, to the degree it endangered the imperium by simply woking something old and forgotten, waking necrons, luring tyranids, bringing back youvath, finding origin of the gates on necromunda and the living lighting etc and in the end got lost in the unexplored region of the gallaxy, or even got the perfect idea to enter stasis and travel to ANOTHER gallaxy mass effect andromeda style. This would be the lost primarch and black templars would be his descendants.
Theory:
Since every primarch has a part of the emperor’s abilities
The 2 missing primarchs could have either:
A.Emperor’s IQ
B.Manipulation abilities
(Idek, give some suggestions to me)
As each primarch is a part of Big E's personality/emotions, I like the idea of a pacifist primarch that simply asked the emperor "could you erase my records and let me live?" and the emperor actually said YES... so this primarch is still alive, in a feudal world, just relaxing, but his records were wiped cuz if not he would be bothered too much.
As much as I love this idea, I find it unlikely that the emperor would have created a pacifist primarch in the first place. Maybe it was more art than science.
@@ScampiTheSighted Wasn't Fulgrim the art Primarch?
@@Fordo007 Oh, no I meant that the primarch creation process was more art than science, meaning the emperor wasn't perfect at making what he was intending.
Maybe he’s one of the rich high lords that only the emperor and the primarchs know about. Thus he’s just still alive to this day and aids big G and E when they need
@@ScampiTheSighted what about Vulkan?
We probably got our answer in TTS:
"No girls allowed. They're yucky".
- Big E.
Of course we all know that Kitten is one of the missing primarchs.
Hentai artist creativity intensifies.
And they'd most likely completely fuck up writing a female Primarch
@@grimcapricorn2150 OH, HELL NO!
@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370 in all seriousness that would make sense. The Emperor was a man of science and he might have experimented to see if female space marines were possible. There's 2 great of merits that I can think of if it were possible as well, one you can recruit more since your choices won't just be males, 2nd if reproduction between space marines were possible that would probably be a more reliable way of making the next generation of space marines than forcing geneseeds into regular humans.
There are also 2 more hints that you have missed:
1) When Horus, Jaghatai and Alpharius confronted Malcador for removing the statues of the Lost Primarchs, Malcador tried to force choke him when Horus tried to say their name. There are were letters that we managed to see....Mal-... Which implies that one of their name was Malal probably.
2) I dont remember who (i think it was Rogal Dorn) but at some point it was stated if the Lost Legions had joined Horus, they would have aldeady won.
What? Because the first three letter are "Mal" you think that one is the Primarchs was the god of Anarchy of Fantasy?
@@Keksde Its just a speculation. Besides, Malal is no longer the official name for that god. Its Malice now. Another theory could be perhaps is perhaps the lost primarch dabbled in such dark powers that he achieved some sort of divinity. The full passage about Malal thing is:
‘Do not speak it,’ Malcador thundered, loading the words with psychic force that struck the primarch’s mind like a hammer to the forehead.
Horus reeled, blinking away the pain. His brothers, too, seemed to feel the blow, along with every mortal still in the chamber. Even the Sigillite’s own ears rang, but he kept his voice firm and unwavering.
‘This was your father’s command, boy, and you all agreed to it. To disobey now is to break faith with the Emperor Himself.’
The primarch gave a wry, defiant grin. ‘My brother’s name was-’
Faster than human thought, Malcador’s empty hand snapped up into an arcane gesture long forgotten by any other living soul on Terra.
+Silence.+
Horus froze, his limbs locked fast within his armour. He shuddered uncontrollably, pressure building in his muscles as he fought against it. Slowly, Malcador stood, holding the primarch in place with the power of his mind, and nothing more.
The Khan sprang towards the centre of the room. ‘Lord Regent,’ he urged, holding out his open hands. ‘You must release him. Please. He speaks from grief, and the shame we all share.’
The air between them thrummed with invisible energy. Malcador could still see that hateful, defiant pride shining through, in Horus’ palsied gaze. ‘You are not ready for the future you crave,’ he hissed. ‘None of you are.’
He forced Horus down onto his knees.
‘Mal…’ the stricken primarch choked. ‘M-Mal… al…’
The Sigillite’s face twisted into a vengeful rictus. He felt the old, familiar rage beginning to stir, deep in his undying soul.
‘Enough. You will be silent, or I will unmake you, here and now.’
@@Eliphas_ isn't malice the 40k version?
True, way back in the 2nd addition, they sided with Horus. That's since been retconed.
@@Eliphas_ sounds really cool, where is the source?
Actually, the lost legions were named in the first edition. They were the Rainbow Warriors, and the Valedictors. Since then, these two have been demoted to chapters.
Fun fact: Valedictors means those who say "goodbye"
@merc4higher you have no idea how whacky first edition was
@merc4higher The Rainbow Warrior where meant to be Space Aztecs
@@angrycrusader3926 no they were named after the green peace boat that was in the news a lot at the time of their creation by early GW, meaning on of the primarks is a massive hippy.
Basically LGBTQ marines?
Fun fact; the rainbow existed long before 'The Alphabet People" did. In fact God uses it to say "I won't drown you all again!".
Homebrew Primarchs were plausible in the second edition where 40k was more fun and designed to take an entire day to play out a game and there were campaign rules that encouraged you to invest time into your army with each model earning their own name because they had a history. The third edition streamlined the game for tournament play and although it was good for the game overall the game lost something that never has never recovered.
As one who started in 2nd ed I feel the game has fallen quite a bit as well. 3rd ed was a hard cash grab as the points value on units plummeted. I don't like certain rules put in place to deal with heavy weapon abuse, so I'll be submitting a rule suggestion for overkill to deal with it. The current rules decimate the value of cover.
It's just better to leave gaps in the lore. If you want to ruin a mystery, explain it. GW will be idiots if they ever just comepletely fill in the mystery.
8:45 Major Kill: "Nobody in Mongolia can afford motor bikes."
The Hu and any damn show filmed in Mongolia begs to differ...
Are you offended by that, or the hate on the homebrew primarchs? Mr "26th Primarch"
@@nikpapado9785 not really just wanted to poke some fun with facts and recommend an awesome band.
Also at least I went ahead and made my Primarch OC his own thing that isn't necessarily dependant on GW not dropping lore on the 2nd and 11th.
In Zach's background lore The Big E made him and 19 other back-up Primarchs in case something went wrong during the making of any of the OG 20(21) that would have rendered them unusable due to mutations or they died in the tube.
Cue yeeting via Warp Fuckery and since he wasn't needed Big E left him and the others to basically fend for themselves with most of the second batch's whereabouts being unknown but I did allude to Zach putting one down because of rampant mutations in him...
Imagine having to travel 400km on a bike to play some table top game - no wonder Warhammer doesn't sell in Mongolia.
@@DzinkyDzink that and because the damn minis are too fucking expensive period
Aren't the best recasters right across the border?
I like to imagine that one of the lost primarchs was raised on a world called Rangda, which had an advanced and prosperous human culture that happily coexisted with the native xenos population (which was only barely tolerated by the Emperor, of course).
The other lost primarch had a mutation that was deemed unacceptable by the Emperor, but his brother from Rangda sided with him when the Space Wolves and Dark Angels showed up to cull the mutant primarch and his legion. The "xenocide" ensued.
This would explain why Horus had sympathy for his lost brothers and why both Sanguinius and Lorgar feared that the same fate would befall them. The only question I have is whether or not the lost primarchs are actually dead.
Minge Destroyers EXPLAINED By An Australian - please!
He’s already done a video on the Adeptus Custodes?
I 2nd this! Lol
Yes
Minge destroyers lord plz
They would have to be a salamanders successor chapter
I think this might be heresy... “Lost Legion”? THE IMPERIUM OF MAN NEVER LOSES
They just can't find it
@@maciejas2471 Lost by the administratum.
They can't find them at all
We are all servants of the dark gods
You're not lost.. if no one is looking for you...
I always speculated if one of the missing primarchs was placed in a xeno homeworld and sympathize with them more than the human empire.
Maybe Russ spares Magnus, Angron, and Magnus because he has PTSD from killing the other two.
That kinda makes sense tbh especially how Magnus gets more quiet and kinda weird after the 2 die
Or maybe he just thinks that because one should never underestimate the Psyker abilities of Malcador. He does have the ability to mess with memories, he admitted as much when speaking to Dorn and Gulliman.
@@MWH12085 I think even if he does, it would be making everyone think Russ killed them when Magus really did it. Or biggest plot twist Magus and Russ we're bestfriends then Malcador changed it so they hate each other
@@fountainchristain I think it might be because the two Primarchs aren't dead. My guess is one of them was "lost" in the Warp and is actually the one responsible for The Legion of The Damned and is essentially like a Deamon Primarch to spearhead the attack on the Chaos God's believing if any of his Primarchs was up to the task, its that one.
Falls in well with Dorns near-crippling regret from killing alpharius. He didn't even like alpharius.
Try this on for size: Since we know the primarchs generally embody some part of the emperor: one of the lost primarchs was the embodiment of the Emperor's scientific prowess, and the lack of any moral qualms that went with it. To make that primarch, the Emperor used a piece of, or knowledge from, the Void Dragon to enhance its technical and scientific aptitude. That lucky boi ended up flung onto the homeworld of the Rangdan, and proceeded to fill their society with amazing, but utterly unconcionable, technology. He bent their society and there very genes to his will to create an empire of hectic technological advancement at any cost. An expansion fleet shows up at his empire's doorstep and he's like, "Your shit is all clunky and basic. I ain't bowing to that. Imma rule instead!"...and that primarchs name was SETRA, THE MUTHAFUCKIN' IMPERISHABLE!...j/k, I suck at making up names.
I could see it. We have magnus, roboute and rogal as more intellectual primarchs but none seem to be very technological. It would make sense that one of the lost primarchs was meant to be a scientific leader.
Damn, I’m sold on that lol
@@Dactaraad Right? I know we all joke that Magnus is a nerd, but he is more a books/D&D nerd. Ferrus Manus? Dude made fuckin' power tools! Where is my hacker/techie primarch? Where is the primarch that gives the Mechanicus robo-boners, and shits STC's? Where is the Primarch that didn't wait for the Emperor to show up and made his own gene-babies!?
The Lost Primarch is a null
@@Dactaraad I thought that was Perturabo.
Hearing that in canon, one is called “the -lost- purged” and the other “the forgotten”, tells me that neither turned traitor or betrayed, but that one probably was killed by the rangdan (or possessed by them, and Russ put them down, like imagine marine vs marine with the -lost- purged ones screaming “forgive me brothers, PLEASE KILL ME!” While not in control of their bodies). -Where they could either be “lost” as in legion destroyed or “lost” because they lost who they are, and had to be put down.-
And the forgotten ones, seems more like they faded away, maybe a gene seed weakness that caused them to have permanent amnesia or became like the exiled eldar who live in isolation with a hunter/gatherer or agrarian lifestyle. They were “forgettable” in comparison to the other legions.
If anything the “forgotten” legion may be able to return, if the forgotten is more metaphorical, in a sense of “you’re dead to me”, as “forgotten” is a really weird word to use to describe a *dead* legion/primarch.
Edit: over printed “lost” over “purged”
I have never heard anybody refer to them as lost and forgotten but as lost and purged. Do you have any sources?
@@02241994 RIGHT, brain fart - both are called lost and for some reason I just overprinted lost onto purged
It is confirmed that the Ultramarines and Imperial Fists absorbed the Lost Legions
It is also confirmed that the Two Primarchs were intentionally purged from history by Malcador, Emperor and Dorn. Dorn stated that if the truth about the Two Primarchs came out it would destroy the Imperium much worse than the Heresy!
@@christiandauz3742 where can I read about that
@@kingremus7544
Short Story: Chamber at the End of Memory
Featuring Dorn and Malcador
This explains the Soul Drinkers
I Cato Sicarius
- Cato Sicarius
NOH!
- me, probably
Fuck of, even i hate you
Greater Daemon explodes
no...no no nooooo
NO!
Never heard of him.
My favorite theory is that they were sent to another galaxy to find a way to defeat chaos and it will take them so long to get back that they were "lost to us"
My favourite theory is that they turned ork, and were The Beast. Thus, why The Beasts were described as "Prime-Orks"
@@JohnnyOrc both those theories sound like they were made up by 10 year olds.
@@tooslow4065 or Matt Ward
@@tooslow4065 As opposed to rest of 40k?
@@o0Takka0o actually I find the codes books to be very well written. Especially the first 4 versions.
And now...I want to see someone create the lore behind 'The Minge Destroyers'. Sounds like a Space Wolf Successor....they do like beer and ladies.
The Minge Destroyers were once the Emperor's favourite legion, but fell out of favour due to repeated 'transgressions' against other Astartes legions, and evetually succumbed tragically to Chaos. Dan Abnett is on it
They could also be known as the shocker 🤟 marines bc they destroy assholes and pussies 😆
Those two and The Angel, (Proto Primarch) are possibly the two biggest secrets the Emperor has. Third one is most likely the fact he preferes pointy ears spiners over muscular big tittied nuns.
Can’t fault him for that
Interesting fan theory is that the angel is the primarch for the grey knights. as I've seen many things stated saying the grey knights geneseed is closer to the emperors or it's more pure, it could just be baiting people to think its the emperors geneseed rather than the Angel's, who would have a more pure gene seed. Some people also believe the terminus decree would be to release the angel
@@abrammilner9560 most likely. After all. The Angel was said to be equally or almost as powerful as Emps and is guarded by sh*t tone of sisters of Silence because he is even more crazy than Konrad Curze and believes the only way to stop chaos, is to kill everything.
Oh crap. I think that’s why the sisters of Silence are silent. They were first made to guard the Angel and forbidden to speak of it like with 2th and 11th and later forgot about it.
Ehh. Imperial inteligence at its finest.
@@abrammilner9560 I was thinking he was the primarch of the thunder warriors, but I guess they had their own primarchs. Still, the thunder warrior primarchs weren't really their primagenitors. I was thinking the angel was the primarch of the thunder warriors, since they're a cut above regular space marines as primarch 0 is to primarchs.
@@rutgerhauser2377 I wouldn't see it due to the reason you stated but could it be retconned into existence? Of course lol, it just really seems possible for the angel to be the primarch of the grey knights the way the lore says their geneseed is more direct from the emperor, yet of the many statements I've seen it seems to not say it is directly/solely from the emperor
The main factors you missed, that I feel are the most relevant:
1. The deletion of the two Primarch occurred in a time when the OTHER Primarchs had no idea of the Ruinous Powers. This does not mean that the two deleted Primarchs were unaware, and it would be a good reason for them to be deleted before all the other Primarchs were found.
2. The Emperor KNEW he would be betrayed. He didn’t know how. Maybe he also knew that he would be betrayed by 9 Legions, but not knowing which 9 meant he had to find all of them before allowing the Rebellion to run its course since it was something that was going to happen no matter what the Emperor did. Finding all the Primarchs BEFORE that part of Fate unraveled gave him a better chance of affecting things AFTER the point where his prescience ended: his death. He KNEW he would die, but he did NOT know how Humans would fare after that.
3. There is Power in a name. Malchador almost deleted Horus for daring to utter the name of one of his brothers. Not knowing about how summoning demons work, the Primarchs would assume the banning of their names was more about hiding shame rather than the actual threat of summoning them to Terra. Or worse, uttering their name away from Terra would be far more dangerous without the Emperor’s ability to shield them from the Ruinous Powers. If Horus COULD utter his Brother’s name on Terra without any dire consequences, then he would be emboldened to speak their name out in the Galaxy.
So why didn’t the Emperor just tell them the actual reason for the name on speaking their names?
Because the Emperor did not feel that his sons were ready for the full story. What would go through YOUR head if you were told there’s a chance you would betray your Father? You would deny it; then you would doubt yourself; then you would feel persecuted for any little correction; then you would feel betrayed thinking the Emperor would entertain such thoughts; then factions would form; then Primarchs would fall into accusing each other of failure or deceit…then the Heresy would happen ANYWAYS, but Mankind’s standing in the Galaxy would be for worse for it.
The difficulty of collapsing a probability wave for an event is exponentially proportional to the temporal distance of that event. The farther into the future you look, the foggier it becomes. The Emperor had to do EVERYTHING he could to PREPARE Mankind for an eventuality that He could not prevent. The best he could do was buy as much time as he could to make as many preparations as possible.
Sanguinius was so tightly bound to the Emperor that he had the ‘gift’ of knowing when and how he would die. Sanguinius knows better than ANYBODY else the weight that comes with knowing when you will die. Not only that…their deaths were even tied by fate like two quantum entangled particles traveling toward the same point.
4. An Astartes loyalty is determined by where they were born and who they spent the most time with; not their geneseed. What happened with the Lost Legions is a direct foreshadow of what happened at Istvan III during the drop site massacre. Horus did EXACTLY what his Father did: he departed the legions based on their likely loyalties once the Heresy became official. The Emperor reclaimed his Terran-Born grandchildren BEFORE ending the two original traitor Legions, just like Horus sent the Terran-born Astartes to Istvan III BEFORE beginning the rebellion.
EVERY single Primarch is a perfect reflection of their Father in SOME aspect. The squabbling between the Primarchs are the conflicts the Emperor has in his own mind made real and terrible. Lorgar embodied the Emperor’s desire to be viewed as a God revered for who he was; not for what was right. Guilliman represented The Emperor’s desire to do what needs to be done so that Mankind will be ready to fight in a Galaxy without Him. The throw down between Lorgar and Guilliman is the most critical conflict within himself as the Emperor of mankind: strive to be the most powerful God that he can be so he can ALWAYS protect Mankind, OR teach Mankind to fish so that they won’t be lost when The Emperor is no longer around.
Lorgar had good intentions, but we all know where good intentions lead.
It is the dance between the theoretical and the practical that Mankind needs to learn so they have a fighting chance of survival with him. And this leads to the final point…
5. The Codex Astartes: an manual on DECENTRALIZATION.
The Emperor knows that centralizing power is a precarious endeavor because all it takes is for ONE tyrant to inherit ALL of that power to see destruction fall everywhere. This includes Himself. Even if he remains loyal to Mankind, his unpreventable death means there WILL be a power vacuum that he HOPES will be filled by somebody who understands the danger of a centralized government. He wants a system where the largest corruption is unable to bring the entire system down.
Guilliman understood that, so he crafted the Codex Astartes.
EVERY functional complex system evolves towards decentralization. The systems that fall apart the fastest are the ones that become or remain centralized.
Take my like, I'm not gonna read all of this
*WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THEM*
But why?
*BECAUSE WE DON’T TALK ABOUT THEM*
@@scooterman7592 okay!, I won't ask.
I feel like they sided with xenos or something. Also the master of the Second was already active when Fulgrim was new in the biz. He had no humour and spoke little.
so he’s like 7 of the other primarchs
Theory: the lost primarchs were xenophiles who clapped some Eldar cheeks. 👏🏽🍑
Love your videos, man. Keep up the great work!
You would not be entirely wrong.
@@yomanyo327 he get away with it because their dad is chairbound and the rest of his brother went missing
There is actually some amazing art of a homebrewed Lost Primarch and his legion called the Harbingers of Khaine.
The lore is pretty fun too
🤔Primarch gets trapped in the webway, gets found by Cegorach, him and his legion become a harlequin troupe
No, when the mom scattered them the lost primarchs had the misfortune of coming upon a young commurah. Let’s say that the dark eldar had some fun
The two lost Primarchs are detailed in the second Realm of Chaos book. They are Belakor and Sigmar. Seriously, it's in there. The two are lost because those Roman Legions were lost historically.
Isn't uncannon now?
Ain’t belakor a demon prince
@@KungFuWizardOfJesus well it looks like at one point the two primarchs we’re gonna have lore about them traveling to fantasy from sci-fi
uncannon
Non canon
I can't help but hearing "rendang" as in beef rendang curry from Malaysia.
Truly a tragic battle over curry :(
But it is very, very tasty curry. Especially if you are in Malaysia and not getting some weak sauce white assed version so common in Australia. I'm not saying I would go to war over it but I might. Who am I kidding, I would murder half my country for a home style, mama cooked curry. With joy in my heart.
@@amorphoussolid8512 Fuck now I'm hungry! Wait, is that heresy I smell?
Could have sworn that the Primarch of the 2nd was like " Advocate of Man" and rebelled against the Big E because of the way the Empire treated normal people. His principals were so pure that he felt he had to fight the Big E. Thats why Russ and Robby G hated to off him and why so much of his legion survived. As for the other one I thought he was sent so far out no one had ever found him.
The other one made en imperium 3 electric boogaloo in another galaxy
You should make a Genestealer Cult video
Hey while we are at this, how about we double down and ask, when will he do a lore about the hereteks and lore for skavens in 40k
And also adeptus arbites(aka space cops)
JEANS STEALERS!
@@Drunkle2552 *Judges Dredd
He should just make a genestealer Cult and give us some insider knowledge
Legion 2 - primarch’s quality was “love” from the emperor. In having such a quality in him and his legion, they believed in “mingling” with the zenos, thus being sacrilege and tainting their humanity.
Legion 11 - His quality was an obsession for tech and constant advancement/improvements. He came to the realization the human/primarch body was not good enough and became obsessed with the idea of giving up his humanity for machine body. Like his brother in giving up humanity, it was looked at as sacrilege and needed to be culled.
“I’VE THROWN MY HUMANITY AWAY FATHER.”
Didn't the Iron Hands pulled a XI move later tho?
@@battlesister1559 idk if that’s the case then they pulled really bad shit. like making the men of iron 2.0
@@synergy8879 my friends and I are currently having some homebrew rpg and I'm the one who has to come up some new stuff to help out the GM and our XIth boy is doing something similar to that lmao
@@synergy8879 Is that a JoJo reference?
The two lost legions were actually named in early canon books. I remember one of them was definitely the Rainbow Warriors, and if I remember correctly the other was the Scythes of the Emperor (but I might be wrong about that second one).
Unfortunately, I haven't found any mention of their Primarchs' names.
i can’t with the rainbow. do they shoot out skittles?
Well the 11th primarch was quite an angry fellow and millennia later his sons are still angry for the emperor and skittles
I remember seeing artwork of a Primarch titled, Tlatia, true daughter of the emperor. She was heavily Aztec themed and the design was impeccable. The legion seemed to still be entirely male except for her.
The author that commissioned that artwork deleted his story and worldbuilding after receiving some criticism about it but I still liked the design the artist came up with.
I just looked at it, and yeah, that is a great color scheme and aesthetic. I wouldn't mind a reveal the two missing Primarchs were women either, would be an interesting new development. But that Meso-American theme is really just cool.
My money is on the samurai And the Kraken/Poseidon looks real cool. It makes sense, no Japanese and no Maritime based Characters were made.
Chrocodons or whatever the fuck is their name. Arent they space sharks?
@@luizguilhermecortez3460 I forgot about them. I stand corrected. But you got to admit the Krakens Primarch art was badass
@@luizguilhermecortez3460 Carcharodons.
@@andybogdan4380 Chararadons. Gotcha
@@dcox5555 true true. I have an shitty fanart of an Tyranid Primarch. You think I should try and make a legion outta this?
I'm calling it now!! The ethereals of the Tau came from nowhere and guided the tau. Perhaps the Ethereals are related to the "Rangdan" as they can use their charisma to even turn humans to their cause. The Rangdan can be a higher form of ethereal and was even capable of turning a primarch against the Emperor. Whatever the fate of the missing primarchs, the Ethereals must be related to these mysterious xenos!
Ethereals being weaker surviving Rangdan would certainly be interesting
I know of a lore snippet that told of how Eldar abducted a xenos species that also have mind-influencing crystal organs like the Tau Etherals.
So it could be that Eldar have developed Tau as a measure against chaos since they are less susceptible to chaos than most others.
@@Ironforce7701 but the Tau would still get massively stomped by any chaos invasion of significant size, unfortunately
I always figured they ran out of tropes when they were drawing up Primarch concepts. They were already doubling up on some of them.
Interesting. I am fairly new to this. Which Primarchs were doubling up on tropes? Thanks
@@willmosse3684 Dorn, Perturabo where both talented in fortifications
Fulgrim, Ferrus Manus, Vulkan and Perturabo where all great at constructing weapons and technology
I always thought that was deliberate. Sanguinius and Angron are both psychotic berserkers, but their attitudes and the choices they made led them down very different paths. The same goes for Sanguinius and Konrad both being able to see the future, Perturabo and Dorn both being skilled in siege warfare and architecture, and Ferrus and Fulgrim both being brilliant craftsmen.
So the soul drinkers are confirmed to be lost primarchs gene sons. Nice👌🏾
Really? Where?
I thought they were just a chimera. Or Imperial paternity tests suck and and Space Maury can't figure out who the father is.
I’m betting one Primarch wanted to eliminate Choas at a cost, and one wanted to give all Humans upgrades, similar to the Space Marines and Custodes.
Well, primarchs didn't knew Chaos up until Lorgar's discovery imo, I could be wrong tho, I know one of the primarchs was warned about it (Could be Lion or Magnus imo), but nothing more
@@hermesthence Well Since Magnus sold his legion and his own soul to Tzeentch I doubt he had any idea about the Gods of chaos.
But you Lion theory is sound ... since his homeworld was the closest to the eye or terror and was basically a prison for a greater daemon. Plus I really think that if the ghosts watchers bothered to contact Zahariel they must have also reached out to the Lion during his stay in the wilderness ... hell maybe they even saved and raised him as newborn primarchs were quite vulnerable.
@@MrFallenone i was thinking of zahariel and nemiel and also the xenos who contacted Alpharius Omegon might have contacted one of the lost before teh Emprah found them.
I like the idea that the 11th Primarch, is currently sitting in the cells underneath the imperial Palace. It would be interesting to see a Primarch not only be introduced to the setting, but to be operating without a legion.
If part of the legions went to the Ultramarines, did the Ultramarines use their gene-seed, or did they just house them and let them die when their time came?
Good question.
I mean, guiliman knows.
It wasn't their gene-seed's fault I'm pretty sure. I read on Fandom that it was the choices their Primarch's made.
The gene seed glands of the Space marines that started the gray knights were replaced with one's from the emperor so they probably did that.
@@superiorsoldier57 I’m sure it was more about psychic effects.
When the Primarchs were gestating, some Word Bearers went back in time and broke the Gellar field which resulted in the Primarch Shuffle…
Because the Warp is created by emotions and Warp entities are attracted by emotions, a fetus is safe from detection because it is unable to feel emotions until AFTER birth. As emotions disturb the Warp, human inhabited worlds would be natural locations for travelers in the Warp to end up. As the Emperor has a large presence in the Warp, he would have a natural affinity for human populated worlds, and that would create natural currents from Terra to these other worlds which the gestation pods would rebel along…
Because breaking from the Warp into the Materium is easier where the barrier is thinner, these planets would be susceptible to corruption from the Warp.
In “False Gods”, Horus has a time-travel experience / is shown a false vision where he damages the chamber containing the 11th Primarch just prior to the scattering of the Primarchs, hinting that he did not survive.
Sigmar being a lost Primarch will always be my headcanon
Same
But he wasn’t killed
Except he was born to human parents originally i think which would mean he isn't a primarch
@@ninjagia1234 emperor soul sperm baby spirit
@@sethleoric2598 lol keep 40k out of fantasy
Missing primarchs are Majorkill and Timmy
Majorkill was loyal to the emperor while timmy betrayed the emperor.
@@tomtheconqerur But for PR reasons, the Emperor had to distance himself from Majorkill due to concerns over him being too into "big titty Eldar girlfriends."
This is now in contention for my personal head canon. Thanks.
I think one of the chapters could be the Legion of the Damned. Also what could the two Primarchs have done to deserve being erased from existence, while the traitor primarchs are still common knowledge?
Ho many things ! All the stuff that the Emperor could consider worst than treason such as :
- Suicide
- Coexistence with xenos races
- Ascension to God-hood
- Refusal to take part in his master plan to unify the galaxy
That’s my theory for that as well, I like to think one Primarchs fell to chaos early, and was chased by tye otyer Primarchs into the warp, and then the loyal Primarchs legion are the legion of the damn, while he still pursued the other legion
I know I’m three years late but one theory I’ve seen is that the Horus heresy is FAR worse than whatever happened with the lost primarchs, and that they were removed from history as a mercy, whereas the records of the heresy are kept in the history books so they (and their crimes) are remembered and hated
I know this is 3 years ago, but I still wanna comment. I think the three most likely answers are:
1. Refusal to fight for the Emperor, for any reason. Wether it's pacifism, or refusal to commit genocide or wanton destruction, they did not take up arms, and Big E was mad about it.
2. They fell to chaos, possibly because they had no idea what the warning signs looked like, but any death and destruction they caused was small enough to be contained, censured. The only reason the Heresy wasn't was because it was just too big, with too many consequences. Multiple primmarchs died, the emperor is now a husk on a throne, and the Imperium has stagnated for years and years and years.
3. They were raised by xenos, and thus considered them their true family, and were killed for their 'betrayal.'
Everytime he says Rangdan, take a shot.
Maybe Majorkill is truly himself a Primarch who got yeeted through a chaos portal into an alternate (our) timeline and was disgraced because the Big E found his gigantic pile of Hentai, full Bodypillows and other stuff while he searched for him.
russ: i don't want to kill you
ekarion :ho mukatte kuru no ka
May be one of the lost primarch deserted the Emperor and became the first blackshield , just Like the Ashen Claws left the Raven Guard.
Ashen Claws only left after Corax tried to have them killed and forced them into the Ghoul Stars.
@@wrestlingguy8722 Maybe something like that happened , Leman Russ tried to visit them and the primarch left before receiving the Prospero treatment.
One of the lost Primarchs was Big E's lust and instead of purging the aliens, he was too busy having sexy times with them
so big e is from alabama
Writing up the "roboute-sutra" for 40k lol
A pretty cool primarch concept would be if the 2nd had the ability to see in the past, a bit like Conrad’s future and for the reason he was killed or lost was because he accidentally looked into the emperor’s past and saw that he was involved in mass genocide with the thunder warriors and his plans to go into the web way. Forcing the emperor to kill the 2nd so is plans are not fucked with
I actually have a theory on one of the lost primarchs that could fit in well with the lore....ish. More specifically the 11. Figured this was a good place to put it as any. Any constructive critic is welcome
I believe the 11th Primarch, faked being a blank.
Crazy right, how and why would he do this. Well the why is simple. He knew about about both the chaos gods and the emperors hope for humanity. Starving the chaos gods, and turning humanity into warp entities. Through taking to him through the warp like magnus. Being a powerful psycher himself.
However, instead of doing this the way the emperor wanted to, he decided to do it chaos way. Absorbing the warp to feed his transformation and prove it could be done. And it worked. This allowed him to gain a lot of power without many noticing it, chaos or the emperor and could have helped starve chaos out. He even taught this to his legions psychers to do the same thing, and even starting to get some of his regular marines to do it in secret. He sneaked it passed the emperor by saying it might have been a geneflaw, causing his children to become blanks over time. The emperor having too many important things to do and not caring decided to go along with it.
But then he got too arrogant. At first he was absorbing it moderately, but for some reason he began to drain even more of the warp.... no matter the source. And then it happened.
The mind controlling Xenos got him and many of his legion. Through the subtle coxing through the warp which he didn't notice tdo to all the other absorptions he was doing, they got him. A Primarch, who has spent years absorbing the warp causing him to become an even more powerful psycher than magnus himself, and empower his sons with it. Was turned against the Emperor by his own foolishness. Him and his sons. A perfect army to destroy the imperium.
Not only does this damage the imperium in a massive way, but it also damages two important players in the future of the imperium
The emperor- for the first time ever seeing a blank cornuted by psychic energy, an impossibility. Damages his belief in weather or not he could control the psychers of the imperium. If this random group of Xenos could find a way to turn a blank into a powerful pyscher, who couldn't.
And Russ. Who had to fight a brother, a brother who used the warp....well, helps explain his distrust of Magnus and his use of the warp even more.
However this brings up a question. How did the Rangdan xenos become so powerful. Well...who said the Alpha legion were the only ones tricked by the Cabal. I believe the Rangdan xeno wars were an attempt to destroy the imperium. By the Cabal. Who gave them the strength to do it. They gave them the ability to trick a primarch. By tricking the 11 into thinking he was fighting the chaos gods. That way he way he would continue to absorb the warp in order to weaken them, and fight so viscously against the imperium and humanity he loved. Until he was killed.
However his story doesn't end there. For you see, because they tricked him into thinking he was fighting chaos. He began to absorb one specic thing. And did the exact opposite
They turned him from sapping all of the warp. To the hatred of the chaos gods. This along with his already powerful abilities and his skill at absorbing warp energy allowed him to stay Until all that hatred of chaos formed a new being. And Malice was born.
Malice, the god who wants to see the chaos gods die. Malice, the god who does not control your fate, like the Cabal did to him. Malice, the only warp creature who does not activly fight the imperium. Malice the lover of the number 11. Malice, THE RENEGADE GOD.
HAIL TO MALICE, THE RENEGADE GOD.
Wait, didn't Magnus more or less confirm that Umprimarching and unLegioning HAD been on the Table when they were discussing Lorgar, and it was decided against? It seems like it was a serious worry Lorgar had.
They truly f**ked up with that decision then, didn't they?! The Word Bearers and World Eaters are the best examples of the need for very, very late term abortion.
Fun fact the 2nd and 11 legion where the smallest legions and it was Robute who refused to kneel to his father and going the great crusade and hence the 13th was culled and the 2nd and 11th became the 13th legion and took on the mantle of the Ultramarines.
Personally I like the headcanon that both Lost Primarchs landed on planets controlled by Xenos, were raised by them and when the Emperor showed up and tried to exterminate said Xenos and "rescue" his sons from them the Primarchs sided with the Xenos and the Emperor had to kill them.
Icarion and the lightning bearers were created by someone called Athwares on the Bolter and chainsword forums, the thread is 40-50 pages long but worth the read. Its a few years old now, but at the time he took great care to integrate them into the lore in a way that made sense.
So what you're saying is that one of the Lost Primarchs was a weeb so Daddy E disowned him and sent wolf-boy to beat him up.
This is now my head-canon, except that he also lived and created the Tau as revenge
So you're thinking a weeb vs furry battle?
Don't worry guys Sigmar followed in daddy's footsteps and ascended to God hood
Sigmar has actual parents in Warhammer Fantasy. He’s not a Primarch
@@akumaking1 thats just what Sigmar WANTS you to think...
@@akumaking1 Like how the Emperor said he is 50k years old and not just a random psycher warlord from the Age of Strife? Like how he told everyone he is not a God, before projecting himself through half the galaxy, making an entire legion fall to knee, suffocate them and their primarch in a blinding light and wave of psychic presence that would make an astarte catch a bloody nose... while declaring himself NOT A GOD? Or I donno. Like how he said chaos gods don't exist, to his son closest to him, knowing that the son literally projects himself into the warp, like a fucking sun in all consuming darkness?
Beside his word, what exactly did he offer the Imperium as a proof?
You know, beside sitting on the golden throne amassing a psycher presence in the warp that of a literal chaos god, at such a level that he could grind down slaneesh like a sausage put into a wood chipper, making his would be second birth reality shattering.
@@akumaking1 yeah just like Guilliman and Dorn...
@@Kareszkoma I agree on everything besides The Emperor being the greatest of the Techno Barbarians.
The Emperor is an Old One.
Semi-joking theory: the Second Legion, and their Primarch, had a gene flaw where everyone forgot about them the second they looked away from them. They're impossible to corrupt, since the Ruinous Powers can't perceive them, but have gone incredibly renegade in a vain attempt to get noticed at all ; they've gone so far as to not break up the Legion into chapters at all. They were never lost at all.
Could go well with them being blanks. And the primarch would end up either as ultimate nobody-loves-me edgelord as Konrad or ultimate depression incarnate
tzeentch: “ima corrupt the 2nd legion wait where the fuck did they go.”
I always liked the idea that the two Lost Prinarchs, or at least one of them, had been somehow infiltrated and infected by the Rangda, as one of the reasons why the Ranga were so difficult to eradicate is that they "hid inside the of the Imperial citizenry". While this could be a metaphor for simply hiding among them, I think its more literal.
The Rangda *literally* hid inside them, somehow infesting the human populations and them emerging once more when the might of the Legions had been expended in the LAST round of fighting. Hence why the Emperor likely had to unchain the Void Dragon: he needed to utterly annihilate every last Rangda all at once with 0 survivors.
So, the Primarchs, being infested by the Rangda and turning on the other Legions, had to be destroyed. The shame of this was so great that the Emperor had it expunged for all time.
It’s simple they fell down the imperial palaces stairs
Makes sense
One would think they'd finally reach the end of that stair by 42 millenium...
Still falling to this day
I’m idea for the explanation of the lost Primarchs is based around the idea that it would be funny if this unbelievably horrific, unthinkable, tragic atrocity that as been built up and built up is actually just a big anticlimax, and actually their crime was something fairly low key. Something like simply not agreeing with / believing in the idea of the great crusade and not wanting any part of it. But wait! Not agreeing with / believing in the idea of the great crusade would be totally unthinkable, unforgivable, and abhorrent crime to the emperor! Twist! I think it makes perfect sense. Maybe primarch II found it distasteful and wanted to quit, and primarch XI just refused to join in the first place and resisted. Think how big E reacted when Angron refused. Also maybe they’re not dead. Maybe big E didn’t destroy their statues and kept their quarters on Terra as shrines because they’re in stasis somewhere as big E thought he could “fix them” somehow at a later date and only he knew and tinkered with the primarchs memories. All very big E things to do. This is my head canon anyway!
The 11th lost primarch is malice, minor chaos god of anarchy. His sacred number is 11, which they make a big deal out of at every point, and is refered to as the lost god. Even got his own chapter called the sons of malice.
Headcanon
The Rangdan were like a psychic bacteria that infected other races, not strong individually but incredibly potent in the warp due to shear numbers, strong enough to eventually take over a Primarch (a single demon was enough to take over Fulgrim for a while so it can happen). The Genocides wiped out the hosts but some Rangdan essence remained in the warp due to warp fuckery and the Primarchs being Primarchs and infused with their own death defying warp fuckery Emp's did what he tried to do to the Chaos gods and pretend he didn't exist and wiped all records since if enough people remembered the Primarch he may have ended up coming back like a demon, bringing the Rangdan with him.
The other Primarch was lost in a webway experiment along with a lot of his legion and the Emp wiped him from records to try and keep his webway project a secret.
The other notion is that one of them just straight up died one day. His legion was mostly fine but there was a flaw in his creation that just led to him dropping dead much to everyones suprise.
Bobby g mentioned to Corax that he had members of his legion fall to a similar issue to Raven guards gene seed flaw and wanted to utilize them in specialized squads. I would make a lot of sense if the lost legion joining the ultra Marines.
personally i think for the sake of it being able to happen a few interesting ideas
1 primarch was not interested in war and asked the emperor to write him out so he did, and that primarch is just chilling somewhere in peace or is aa scientist where he cant rly fking fight, but is super good and emps attempt to get rid of mars and the void dragon as a need to get rid of religion entirely and now this primarch is outside of the galaxy in unknown regions
trying to get technology to surpass what was in the dark age
OR
it could also be one primarch was a blank ( or what its called) and the entire legion was affected to some degree, this could lead to them being HARD hated as the primarch could have literally crippled other primarchs or even disrupt the emperor, like a reverse magnus
in this case that geneflaw could have had some extreme variation with the other astartis created, perhaps some of the not hard affected ones who oined the ultra marines where harder to corrupt and didnt have that much negative effect
i mean look imagine the emperor trying to have an ANTI warp primarch and realized rly late how bad of an idea it was, as this weardass mutant of a primarch with his weard ass soul was literally fking entire planet systems
imagine how hard travel would be
at that point that primarch becomes
1 a gigantic issues to have as an allie since he rly would just be around, making it tragic how they rly did want to help, but by nature where incapable to do so due to their ability
2 it was said if the lost primarchs had been with horus horus had already won, imagine a super anti psyker primarch vs the emperor, that would be a massiv issue, it would also be easy to flip them since everybody hates them
they could not rly join chaos, but i imagine thy would be a LITTLE like the alpha legion where they would just fuck around the galaxy for a while afterwards or hoped for better treatment
One of them being a blank would make a shit ton of sense.
a blank primarch sounds awesome...but aren't the primarchs partly warp entities? Thats why they are so great at daemon killing and why they are so charismatic/psychic powers/ ability to fly and stuff... I would love some pariah based space marines but it seems to me that at least in part the gene seed tech is warp based. So i don't think a blank primarch and/or space marine is possible.
@@dawittegeumins imagine though
The emperor could have tried to make 1 and the result was rly problematic
Perhaps he was even able to combine blanc and primarc power together
@@gadrielvanorion9872 Yeah. And over time it made him be driven insane. The attempt to have a soul and also be souless
@@dawittegeumins You make a good point. Yeah. But maybe that is why it went wrong. Why the Emperor had it purged from the record.
Can you imagine if one of the lost primarchs was only lost because he was intercepted by a comet before he reached his planet and has been comet surfing for the last 10k years xDDDD
only just watching this video a year later and watching the plug for cyberpunk as a game to be excited for just hurts
It seems like everyone forgets or overlooks this but in Fabius Bile second book, its stated that a Primarch was Lost in a raid of the Black Stone Fortress. In that same book, The Silent King states he nearly added something similar (to Fulgrim) to his collection.
Finally, I can learn more Infos and lore about those ghosts at last! I waited for a novel about this specific topic since I discovered this incredible universe in 2004! GW do something! Thanks, MajorKill!
I like the theory that they landed on ork planets and led them against humanity as Gork and Mork
11th primarch was Malibron, was imprisoned after going mad during the great crusade and killing loads of marines. Was apprehended by Russ and taken to Terra. Apparently his legion was yellow, red and blue. 2nd legion was also seemingly yellow (and black), there's art that shows a banner of the legion where it's a black dragon on a yellow field, shaped like a number 2 - it almost looks like the black swan of western Australia because of its shape
I don't want to know what happened to them. I don't think those types of details make the story better. Finding out that some perpetual chick was responsible for scattering the Primarchs in a recent bit of canon, for example, did NOT improve the story. JRR Tolkien used to say that he didn't write a sequel to LotR for just that reason - giving everyone an explanation for what happens to everything and everyone actually shrinks the mythos of fantasy. Leaving some questions unanswered, and some places unexplored, makes the universe seem larger.
We unfortunately live in an age where nerds are all self-diagnosed OCD (while really just being incels stuck to their struggling computer chair with too many porn tabs open) and they think they need every prequel, every sequel, and every spinoff or else the writers of said fiction are "ruining" the universe. When in fact, it just dilutes the best parts to fill in every detail, and there's no reason to re-visit, suspend disbelief, and use one's own imagination.
Finding what happened in the Randang would ruin that mystery. It sounds so severe that finding out what happened just wouldn't live up to it. Dropping more hints is always fun though
Some perpetual chick scattering the primarchs makes a lot more sense than the word bearer's traveling back in time to do it themselves
Something horrible must've happened that other Primarchs felt so bad for them. Horus called them honorable and said they fought for the Imperium, yet the wolfs were sent to take them down. Maybe they just went renegade, turned against the Emperor.
i got a couple theories for the lost legions.
A major one being that one of them was a primarch version of a blank. would make sense why the emperor would try to take him out immediately.
Baldermort's Guide to Warhammer is doing some great comedy stuff for Christmas so can we please have The Minge Destroyers as a comedy video for New Year's Eve ?
One of them got mixed up in C’Tan or Necron shenanigans. A Lost Primarch got connected to the Ymga Monolith, which was Star Forge levels of broken, capable of DUPLICATING Necron vessels.
If the Rangdan Xenocides were going that poorly, a Lost Primarch could’ve decided that the ends justified the means and gone to explosively increase the fleet numbers of the Crusade.
Or maybe himself too. Imagine him dying and pulling an Alpha legion movie to have his duplicate take over.
What about subject 11 in the imperial dungeon. I’ve heard people say that could be the 11th primarch. I like to think one of the lost, didn’t agree on genocide of any species and refused the emperor and just got unlucky that Russ was the first one he met after making that decision.
That would be my story, the 11 landed on a world shared by zenos and chaos. When the 11th was away, chaos attacks his people and the xenos being honorable defended his people in return the primarch welcomes them as brothers and unites the world and defeats chaos. When the emperor finds him, the emperor plays it cool at first but then tries to get rid of the Xenos because they look evil to most imperials. The 11th won’t accept this and pledges to defend them, his sons agree and fight with him. When the emperor’s wraith comes , he had the zenos flee to a distant hidden world with his sons while he held back the imperial forces with his honor guard, until he was captured, but with the last demon attack on terra he was released.
From what I’ve read about the missing primarchs it was said that Malcador made the decision to purge them after interviewing both. It certainly seems reasonable that like Ikaron one of the missing primarchs was or became a pacifist, which obviously was useless to Big E. The other, in my head canon was unimpressed with the human imperium, possibly because they were raised by aliens. So, good theory crafting.
Going off what little info we have to work on I like the idea of Ikarion and the lightning bearers. Space marines that wield lightning is awesome, plus it would be nice to have another psycher heavy legion. The second legion could come from a Japanese style world that was very isolationist with a big emphasis on honor, so the Primarch grew up to have a very strict code of honor and moral compass. When the Emperor came for him, the second wasn't too keen on it until he realized he and his planet were outmatched, so he reluctant joined. Sadly after one too many massacres, and the events of the Rangoon Xenocides, the second legion said "screw this" and quit. This enraged the Emperor who sent Russ to get rid of him.
For the eleventh legion, the plague wars trilogy mentioned that there was a flaw in the eleventh primarch that made the emperor realize he would be.a failure before he was even born. What I eventually came up with was that the eleventh primarch was physically the biggest and strongest of all his brothers. Unfortunately, he lacked the intelligence his brothers possessed, think Lennie Small, from Of Mice and Men. Despite his mental short comings, he was able to lead the eleventh legion effectively, explaining.why the emperor didn't just kill him outright. Unfortunately, this flaw caused him and many of his sons to be highly susceptible to the Rangdan's mind control. In the end, the Rangdan were wiped out and Russ had to tell the eleventh brother about the rabbits before putting him down.
I imagine one of the lost primarchs was the ultimate navigator. His job was to connect all of humanity telepathically and grant perfect navigation in the Warp. He would give humans peerless coordination and act as a failsafe to the Webway Project. Before he could fully grow and master his gift, he made contact with the Tyranid Hive mind, defecting to it as the only way to unify the galaxy and defeat Chaos.
I always thought that one of missing Primarchs joined one of alternative human civilization that was not willing to join little bit evil looking Empire. He made his choice to fight and die with them. Second one definitely got corrupted by Chaos before Horus.
The Second Primarch was Contemplative, I doubt he got deleted by Rus. The 11th however has a high chance of getting yeeted, just as Sanguinus told that he does not want to be like one of the Lost Legion.
My Theory is that the 2nd got Yeeted so hard in the Rangdang Xenocide it broke apart and the fresh troops destined for the 2nd Legion got absorbed into Guilliman's Legion or some other Primarch's Legion. While the 11th got Purged by Russ.
The fate of the Second Primarch might be somewhere on a Hidden Hermit World.
Given that no Primarch is Australian, I am guessing one of the Lost Boys in an Aussie. He and his legion than lost a war to Space Emu's and the Emperor had all records stricken.
All I really know about them comes down to the titles given:
The Lost and The Forgotten.
Lost implies their removal wasn't something that was wanted to happen while Forgotten implies they did something worthy of being removed and purged.
So one of the primarchs being destroyed was for some reason viewed as tragic while the other's was earned.
So for The Lost there are a few ways I can see it going, they could have been destroyed in an event that no one saw coming, they could have been destroyed after being mind controlled, either destroying themself or approaching the emperor to do it as a way to repent for the action, or it was the gene-seed flaw and while still loyal perhaps the emperor himself destroyed him.
I see The Lost as being removed from history not because of something they did but perhaps out of something like shame.
maybe in the beginning the big E had a more "cull the weak" approach to primarchs and after offing 2 of them and finding like konrad he thought "i cant kill them no more, id run out at this point lets just keep em" lol
If Caul still had the gene seed from the traitor legions, perhaps he also had some of the missing primarchs.
My 11th Legion are called the Blood Tigers who were banished from the Great Crusade because of mass cannibalism. Basically they would routinely eat the flesh of their enemies to gain intel like where bases were and what their leadership tiers were. However they had a genetic flaw in this where they also were reliving the final moments and death of every corpse which over time and with the sheer amount, they started to go absolutely insane with the memories. Soon however they actually came to enjoy the feeling of terror that was new to them. They started to kill and eat anyone that was near them including any ally forces. The emperor got suspicious of why so MANY reinforcements kept disappearing around the legion and when he found out they were being eaten, he felt he had to end the cannibal legion. Russ was sent and in a bitter duel with the Primarch Album Tigris (White Tiger in Latin) he killed Tigris and the Blood Tigers fled eventually making it to the warp. Since then 80% of the legion has become nothing more than cannibalistic madmen and the rest that aren't have them locked in cells anytime that they are not in combat and only release them on the battle field.
The color scheme is white with red tiger stripes outlined with black to pop out from the white. An example can be found here.
spikeybits.com/2012/05/blood-tigers-of-khorne-adepticon-2012.html?envira_id=164158_3
The soul drunker may be from a lost legion
I once created the two lost primarchs for an rp setting. Number 2 was a woman and her fall was the reason why female space marines were never attempted again (at least in my universe). The 11th Primarch, borrowing from a TTS joke was the gene father of the Astral Knights, who were expanded into an actual legion in my story. Also both survived through some 4th degree warp shenanigans that are...somewhat more believable than the feats of Him, Cato Sicarius?
I still like the idea of Sigmar being a lost Primarchs
To me the lost primarchs either made Kurze look like Vulkan or wanted to start their own heresy before Horus.
I always felt the "lost legions" disappeared like they're stuck in warp storm or something like that. That would explain why they were expunged from the record books unlike the fallen primarchs and their legions. This would also explains why the remnants were integrated into other legions without incident. GW might be holding onto this as a potential expansion if there was enough demand. Russ could have simply lied to keep his legion safe from any punishment for failure being told to lie by the Emperor to save face. I would buy that expansion in a heartbeat.
Joined UltraMarines with memory wipe.
Yeah, but there is an obsessions in fandom that the 11th Primarch fell to the renegade god Malice, since 11 is the holy number of Malice. While others say that it was the second Primarch who did and his name was even Malal.
What i wonder is the roles of the two lost primarchs? its very clear with some overlap each primarch was meant for a certain type of combat. What if one was meant to be a space bound chapter and the other maybe artillery?
0:45 I forgot that cyberpunk was initially announced in 2012.
My Theory: Big E is actually one of the lost primarchs.
He was sent back in time thru warp-fuckery. Sent back to the dawn of humanity, to live as a man, and to become the Emperor. Which explains how he's an odd one among humans, almost perfect and single-minded in his pursuit to save humanity, and most importantly, no one seem to know his real name which would be a dead give-away. Also explains why it's tabooed to talk about the lost primarchs- cause they want nobody to find out what happened. Also explains why all the other primarchs went with it, and Horus got angry when Malcadore tried to remove their statues at the Imperial Palace.
So, Big E got the knowledge of how to make himself and the primarchs at Molech, then makes them, then sends his younger self back in time. May be he didn't tell his younger self everything he already knows.
If you stop thinking of Big E as superior to other primarchs, but as another , much older primarch, then suddenly all his mistakes don't feel so unexpected. I mean, the whole thing about primarchs is that beside being demigods, they are fallible. Or... He has done it multiple times, trying out different strategies to establish Imperium, conquer the galaxy and save humanity from Chaos before our psychic awakening, and this is just another iteration.
...no
@Gucci Beretta All the plot holes are explained by Warp Fuckery. Move along, noob!
Well the missing primarchs are known as the Lost and the Purged. I think the Primarch of the 11th was the purged as in Horus rising when Horus saw the Emps basically let them go into the warp horus sabotaged the 11th primarhs capsule which probably allowed the warp to seep into during transit. The 2nd is implied to have gone missing during the rangdan. their was a teaser in some GW artwork talking about the rangdan deleting the 2nd legion.
Considering each Primarch is supposed to represent and aspect of Golden Daddy's personality, I suspect one of them inherited is sense of discovery or diplomacy, wound his way Into a sticky situation and got killed.
The other might've been a pacifist, and likewise suffered after his chaos yeet.
I see that I'm not the only one who thinks they're missing a Chinese/Japanese themed primarch. (I am fully aware of the difference between China and Japan. They still have a great many similarities, especially when it comes to aesthetics.)
My headcannon has always been that they were just the only two primarchs who were disgusted enough (or at all) by the Emporer comitting genocide of human populations that didnt accept the Imperial Truth and comitting indescriminate and total xenocide that they turned against the Imperium.
I also think that maybe when the two primarchs were yeeted away from the Emporers lab by Chaos they might have ended up landing on a world with a civilization where humans and xenos lived in harmony, like the Interex, and were raised by both humans and xenos (and, I mean, seeing what happened to the Interex, one can understand why they would be justifiably angry at their Big Daddy).
Honestly im surprised Chaos didnt send more primarchs to worlds that had such civilizations. Although maybe it was because they simply didnt know how intensly xenophobic the Emporer was yet, or because Primarchs being destroyed for being buddies with aliens would mean there would be fewer of them to fall to Chaos later.
Poor interex