Why Stupid People Think They're Smart [The Dunning-Kruger Effect]
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- How knowledge works and why stupid people think they're smarter than the smart people who think they're stupid.
(The Dunning-Kruger Effect)
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“Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
Being at both places. Already argued with stupid people and also was the stupid guy arguing with a smart one. It's just an ego thing.
The smart person will always use logic, which becomes the bane of his existence because the stupid person would just start saying the most ass-backwards dumb shit, he puts it out like diarrhea and the smart person just has to keep on trying to clean up after this idiots feces
@@prezadent1 no
False. If someone is wrong, convince them by arguing. Lol
@@prezadent1 Elon may have used the quote, but it is not his (but indeed Mark Twain's), and I'll leave it at that before you drag me down to your level and beat me with experience.
"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand" - Bertrand Russell
You talking about bible? 🤣
@@nu-nisamiracle2401 You might be one of those people...
@@thedarkmatterplanet what those peoples? 🙄
@@nu-nisamiracle2401 The ones referenced in the video who think they know everything due to knowing so little. You're on a religious crusade against religion while not realizing your actually a useful idiot for a religious cult.. This is evident by your bringing up the Bible for the express purpose of mocking it when it was so far off topic it couldn't have been seen by the James Webb telescope.
@@thedarkmatterplanet what are you talking about man? That Quote from Russel suit the bible perfectly.. full of mistakes due to traNslation erRors.. 🙄
I'll give you one example.. how many peoples following moses in his Exodus according to the bible? 600,000? 🙄
ArceoLogy literally reFuted that you know.. 🙄
And the Jew reFuted that too.. coz the word in their Torah doesn't only read as "six hundred thousand" but also can be read as "six hundred cLan heaD".. 🙄
Only your bible says it's 600,000 due to traNslation erRor.. 🙄
The bible has many mistakes like that.. 🙄
Do you want me to coNtinue giving you those example? 🙄
I got many.. really really many.. like john 1:1.. 🙄
I'm only saying the truth.. 🙄
My father told me at a young age, "Knowing you're Stupid, is the first step to being Smart." Didn't get it at the time, but it made me proud of not knowing things and inquisitive about everything.
I've never once met someone who is "smart" that thinks they are stupid. Our entire society is ruled by PhD elitists, who fancy themselves better than all the "uneducated" rubes.
After reading this post several times over, I still don't understand what you're trying to say here. How can inverse opposites actually create a philosophical truth? Does an admission of ignorance open a door of opportunity, allowing experience and unbiased absorbtion of knowledge to wash over you? I like cake, yet I would never say I can only really enjoy cake when I admit how I'll never understand it's taste. Sounds like stuff from a LA Fortune Cookie, written by Confusion-ists. TEE HEE I'm just messing about.
*being
Upon first glance that sounds iffy, but after a moment of thought, it's dead on.
Hell yeah.
"Humility is one of the most underrated values in the world " no truer words were ever said...
Unfortunately humility is commonly punished and arrogance rewarded. Try being humble in your next interview if you don't believe me.
"I too, am extremely humble"
"A man who is possessed by his shadow is always standing in his own light and falling into his own traps...living below his own level." - Carl Jung
I LOVE THIS THEORY. This gentleman presents the theory with much humility!!!
- when people say you can have your own opinions, but you can’t have your own facts: HOW CAN WE PEACEFULLY and RESPECTFULLY communicate these 4 Quadrants!!!
Here is one of MY Methods that I have been doing before I knew this theory existed:
When I coach little kids, I ALWAYS tell them that it is OK not to know EVERYTHING!!!!
- EVERY BODY IS LEARNING!!! :)
- There is ALWAYS something new to learn 💪💪💪
Side Note: I heard a wise coach once say: take the information given to you!!!!
- I add to this wise coach (even though, this is what he was communicating WITHOUT saying it): TAKE the information and see if it applies to you/your situation. Keep Your Aim and Make adjustments with this new information!!!! Cheers to Everyone :)
Last Thing I will communicate on this Topic (for now): I ALWAYS joke with my son about learning.
- one way I do this is: I SAY Derek Jeter is a Retired-Hall of Fame, Baseball Expert/Professional/ Former MLBer….AND EVEN Derek Jeter is STILL LEARNING!!!!
In Closing:
If you like Pina Coladas, Getting Caught in the Rain…..
@@kain52002I tried that today in an interview actually lol and I was only there 20 minutes, had I been there any longer the conversation could’ve went anywhere 😂
One of the more disturbing examples of people feeling attacked when they're presented with data that's proving them wrong (and therefore doubling down on their assumption) is with detectives who will blindly continue to pursue and even wrongly convict someone they believe to be the perpetrator of a crime, even when evidence starts to prove them innocent. This exact scenario has happened before, and it's terrifying.
which is why the detectives present a case, they don't do the conviction.
@@luizmonad777
What's really disturbing is when that intersects with the number of people who assume that if someone was arrested, they must be guilty of SOMETHING or the police wouldn't have arrested them. Ontop of that there's way too much deference in the general population towards the testimony of cops, even in the face of conflicting video evidence.
That's when they start the name calling and projection.
That’s narcissism
Amen
I remember my piano teacher’s husband humbling my father with this principle. He said, “Smart people aren’t the loudest in a room. They also know they don’t know everything.” That stuck with me.
Incredible, and so true.
Exacly
I have friend who I don't even wanna begin correcting him because he'll just double down and try to talk his way into a win with bullshit logic
Insecurity is loud, confidence is quiet
@@petrifiedviewer we all have that one guy near us
It’s wild af how real this is, recently I’ve started to notice that when I learn more about something I usually become less confident in my knowledge and abilities because I’ve learned how much I still need to learn and even then there will always be things I’ll never learn or even dream of. If that makes sense.
That is by definition the Dunning Krueger effect, it makes perfect sense.
Last night, I lost a $1000 camera drone, because I, with 125 hours experience flying it, handed the remote to my assistant with 3 hours of experience, thinking she'd easily fly it back for the 30th time. She did not, in fact, fly it back.
It’s so true cuz If you become “smart” then it means you’re accepting you know very little and you’re open to learning alot more…but a stupid person is confident that they have all the info they need
As a 1400 rated chess player I thought I was pretty clever, but at 2000 I've never felt more dumb 😅
No, this isn't real at all. DKE is overestimation of one's knowledge or ability. If you're underestimating your knowledge or ability, that is the "imposter syndrome", the opposite of DKE.
Also, knowledge has nothing to do with generalized doubt. You can be 100% sure about a particular subject and be 100% correct. At the same time, you can be 100% correct yet still be 100% doubtful in general.
I've been a teacher for 20+ years, so I'm literally getting schooled everyday, and I'm pretty certain that I'll die much more ignorant than I was born. Seriously though, you've earned yourself a subscription; this is great content.
The more you learn, the more you learn about how little you know.
How does this video explain the Dunning-Kruger effect and its implications?
Through engaging animation and clear concise narration, this piece illuminates the Dunning-Kruger cognitive bias whereby incompetence breeds illusory superiority.
Initial vignettes demonstrate how lacking ability to assess skills incorrectly signals proficiency as benchmarks remain unknown.
Charts visually convey the divergence between actual and perceived talent as tasks are attempted, revealing incompetents most inaccurate in self-assessment.
Real world examples illustrate this "low ability, high self-confidence" dynamic statistically across domains from driving to comedy.
Further discussion poses the effect partially explains polemic certainty on complex issues without expertise.
Overall, unpacking this counterintuitive phenomenon cultivates both intellectual humility and awareness of subjective limitations. It offers perspective on overconfidence and highlights the importance of accurate self-reflection in procuring knowledge and wisdom.
By concisely communicating social science, the video inspires application of empirical findings to everyday life and discourse.
I disagree. Sadly yes you will die, but know that you will do so an already great teacher, and the vital prerequisite should not be described as ignorance if that is even possible., I believe that even "humility" doesn't cover anyone's true potential on this important topic.. But your awareness and language informs that you know you are also first and foremost and forever also a "student" is at the very least the best I can come up with, today, and also the highest compliment i can muster today on this excellent channel and comment. Not my best effort by a long shot, but practicing at every opportunity, with care, to try to a better thinker, and integrated human being.
@@zeppelin16 this comment was soo useless, it sounds like Ai wrote it and then you edited with a thesaurus
You may be right. My friend and I were discussing that we thought the older we get, the better decisions we'd make. But, it seems to be the opposite a lot of the time.
I have a great example of this in my personal experience. In High School my best friend and I started playing racquetball because it was cheap and fun. We read the rules and figured the rest out on our own, developing strategies that worked against one another. When we could get other friends to come play with us, we did very well because they knew even less than us, so we thought we were pretty good.
Then I got to college and took a racquetball class for PE and discovered that people who know what they are doing play a completely different strategy and everything I had practiced was completely useless. I was like a toddler trying to play basketball with an NBA All-Star. In my little world I had no idea about everything that I didn't know.
Yeah the same happens when learning to play chess, unless you actively seek out better players to beat you, you won't learn anything.
At least you had fun playing it. There is value in fun too!
Similar story with me and my (British) buddies working overseas back in the 70’s. We taught ourselves backgammon from the instructions on the box, thought we were pretty good at it after a few months. Then our Lebanese co-workers came to hang out with us. Turns out it’s their national fuckin game or something,,, they pissed all over us, Every. Single. Bloody. Game….. at a high speed of action accompanied by a vocal volume that had never occurred to any of us!
This is my friend and I with Warhammer right now. I'm sure my nasty strategies will be nil in a tournament.
This can apply to a lot of things, even to videogames. You don't know how much you don't know until somebody that knows shows you
Two of my favorite lines from Tao Te Ching: "Those who know don't talk, and those who talk don't know." And, "Ignorance of knowledge is sickness. Knowledge of ignorance is wisdom. The one who is sick of being sick is no longer sick."
I am sick of being sick but that won't make my Crohns Disease go away.
Where were you ten years ago...
Was wondering when someone would bring up the Toa.
@@Skenjin Mood.
@@Skenjin -- hmmm, I'm thinking he was referring to a kind of intellectual sickness? But you prolly knew that already.
I'd say the world absolutely rewards the "dumb" confident people that say they know everything. It's seen as confidence to most. Confidence earns more work, promotions, partners, etc. Being smart enough to know that you don't know much is horrible because you have no confidence and you don't get rewarded in society unless you have confidence. I'm not smart at all, I'm just smart enough to be self conscious about everything I don't know.
I think this depends. I could see this being the case in some situations, but the people I see make it the furthest and get the most respect in life have both. Confidence to share their voice and also admit when they are wrong.
There's a thin line between arrogance and confidence and most folks cant tell the difference, but usually a bullshit artist will hit a glass ceiling eventually where as, at least in my experiences, talent and hard work will always trump it. I've stolen multiple "promotions" from just keeping my head down, mouth shut and doing instead of talking.
This is true. I lost in traffic court because I really wasn't 100% sure about something - had I just played confidence I would have won. I still find humility better, but it can really cause problems in some areas.
Straight through me bruh, could not have said how I feel better myself! That being said, get some self confidence! 😘
Politicians and blindly religious folk are some examples.
100 percent agree with this effect. I meet people daily with the worst diets. And they always say "I eat healthy." I almost never argue with them.
Yeahh, people know subconsciously that it's bad but ignore the facts. If you ignore yourself then that's what makes them dumb.
I remember talking to my dad back in the 90's. He asked me why there are so many stupid people and I told him that, in my experience, stupid people didn't know they were stupid. That took him completely by surprise. I didn't know why that was true (and thanks for the video explaining it!) but I had experienced a lot of it myself so I was pretty sure. I explained that it made me want to have people explain themselves more and listen. If they really were dumb, they couldn't explain it well and if they weren't then I'd learn something new.
A full year later he told me that he wished I had not shared that experience. He said "what if I'm stupid and just don't know it?" We both had a good laugh but then he thanked me. My father was one of the most thoughtful, humble, and awesome people I have ever known so now I wonder if he really hadn't realized it before or just proud I had figured it out? I wish I could ask him.
""what if I'm stupid and just don't know it?""
This is always in relation to something else. You need only be as smart as you need to be.
Thanks for sharing this.
The question he's asking itself is a sign of doubt. And doubt never arises in a person adverse to change (stupids). So your dad maybe onto something.
@@ereh2622even if not the brightest I like when people ask similar things because it shows they are at least teachable
As I like to say, the only difference between smart people and stupid people is smart people know they're stupid. That's my summation of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. As Socrates was reported to have said, wisdom begins with knowing you know nothing.
I usually tell my students, “Never argue with someone that isn’t open to being wrong, and never argue with someone if you aren’t willing to be wrong.”
As a future teacher I'm going to use that philosophy with my students. Thank you for that!
I like that better than how Mark Twain said it.
I have been steadily learning that after quite a few people online did not change their minds or even change their _responses_ after I explained multiple ways why I disagreed with them and/or they were wrong.
@Balanc-Joy918 I've learned from both the experience you just described and my social psychology class I've taken that there are actually a few ways to make someone be more open minded! I've even tried them with reliable success!
@@balanc-joy9187 So, are you trying to change their minds or yours?
I had a mysterious illness about 10 yrs ago and was seen by multiple doctors who all had theories about what it could be. I finally got in to see a world renowned specialist at Hopkins with a one year waiting list and he was the first doc to admit that often, illnesses go undiagnosed and you never find out what actually caused the symptoms. He was the perfect example of knowing what he didn’t know because he was so knowledgeable about the topic.
Did you cure it or did it go away on its own ?
@@-na-nomad6247 it just went away on its own. When the Hopkins dr ran my blood tests, my antibodies came back high for Dengue fever but it was never confirmed by the CDC so it remains a mystery but I almost died in the ICU.
Mastery is knowing what assumptions a field is built on, imo.
Same here. Keep up the fighting! God bless you
Good Dr
All I can say is "yes, and there is so much more for me to learn about this topic." I try very hard to stay in the self-aware, constant learner space. Love this!
Beautiful. Topic. Never. Argue with. The..
S. People. They. Won't. Understand. The. Cons. ND. Prosperity. Of. D. Topic😂 vv. Knowledgeable. Knowledgeable
Cons. N. Pros
Want. To. Learn .More. n .more😂
Yeah. It’s hard especially when you cling onto ideas. It’s just nice with the comfort you know something and the idea you need to learn more can be overwhelming. Like man there’s so much.
This perfectly aligns with the saying “the more you know, the more you realize how little you know.”
The more you know is exactly that. You know
More, you just cant know it all, even if you lived 500years.
Its not about what you know, its about how you use what you know and why.
There you
Go, saved 15 years of questions😅
@@andreichetan4694 u right
As a military officer the fact that you don’t know, what you don’t know is a frightening part of the job. Humility and empathy combined with a willingness to learn are the highest qualities a leader can posses.
I can't be certain since I'm not an officer, but I feel as though the phrase "that's on me, I'll take the hit on that" is beat into officers heads as often as I hear it lol
@@jldude84 sounds like you have some good brass boss. Not all will take the hit for their folks.
@user-ix4he4zt3t Oh I'm aware lol but I just feel like I hear that specific line much more from officers than from enlisted folks.
I wish I had more officers like you when I served.
Humility was not a big part of my commands repertoire.
I knew a few great officers that earned respect rather than demand it and you sound like them.
I had plenty of officers that would not admit to their failure and would rather take it out on the unit than to just own up to it.
This is why I say critical thinking skills are some of the most important and overlooked skills for someone to learn. You don’t need to have an answer for everything, it’s impossible. But you can easily question absolutely everything.
Very good point
Here we see the effect in motion, I’m glad I could witness your expertise
Because obviously I’m very learned on the subject too. We’re both exceptions to the general rule
@@moosenllama4292 ahhhh yes, someone who instead of taking a little bit of advice or information and building on it himself, attempts sarcasm and makes himself look like an ass. Thank you for showing your expertise on being an ass.
@@moosenllama4292 I’m usually very good at having decent conversations but if ya want I can be really good at being petty and making you cry if you’d like that? Some people like to be dominated and tied up, is that what you’re into? Maybe spanked and spit on? If you’d like, you can call me daddy.
@@woodersonandmelbatoast6043 you’re welcome
I think one of the most humble and easy things you can do is ask questions. Whenever I'm starting a new job or introduced to a new way of thinking I ask myself and others a ton of questions, the more the better. Gives you a good mix of ideas or ways to perform a task. I have found that the person who knows it all generally doesn't know jack. Great content!
“Most people’s beliefs are based on identity and group affiliation”…. So true! Thanks for summarizing that concept so succinctly.
So that is the reason why i am depressed? I have yet to find a group that agrees with me...
It's not really what you know, it's who you know...
Exactly! Most likely your beliefs are based on culture and the major religion of that culture. Yet, people think they came to it on their own!
@@wursthanz5518 : You must be very humble person indeed 😂
Yeah, and lord help anyone who steps outside the received wisdom of the group they're in!
One of my art teachers told us the exact same thing about things taking time to sink in. He was like "I'm telling you this stuff now, but chances are you'll only start understanding and using it 2 years from now". I didn't get it at the time, but since then, so many past lessons started making sense as I kept working as a freelancer, so I guess he was right.
Yeah, she's cool..
I've even noticed that your knowledge of particular things can also expand or strengthen over time whether you are actively exercising that knowledge or skill or have not even thought about it in years.
For example, my mother taught me to cook when I was ten or eleven. She showed me how to make entire meals, follow recipes, do measurements, cutting using different knives, using various appliances, baking, broiling, browning, boiling, steaming. The basics. When she went back to work I helped out by making dinner a few times a week until I got my own job in high school. Then I really didn't cook all that much for several years. But when I got my own place with a decent kitchen I realized that I no longer needed recipes to make a dish but could often eat something new at a restaurant and then go home and figure it out on my own, and I had unconsciously picked up a lot of new things over the years like substitutions and converting units, which had somehow become second nature to me.
Observation may take 1 to 2 years to notice changes . I see this in gardening.
As a brilliant sage once said: the waiting is the hardest part
In graduate school where there were actual consequences for not doing the reading I felt so inferior because they would assign literally 4 books to read a week; not 4 chapters, not 4 sections, but 4 books. It was an impossible load to comprehend, but that is the point, you don't comprehend but it is filed away in there in the deep dark unknown. I'm years past the pain of that experience and know this intellectually but still feel anxiety when reading something and not comprehending it completely at first.
Relax, it all comes when it comes.
One hindrance in my professional career was my uncertainty about any opinion or idea I offered. If someone said, "That won't work," I would instantly backtrack and agree that it was a dumb idea. Only in middle age am I finally having the confidence to advance my beliefs with conviction. It doesn't mean my ideas are guaranteed to work, but people don't respect somebody who is wishy-washy. I'm trying to balance this stronger version of myself while still paying attention to my blind spots.
Right there with you.
Just wait 'til you see yourself in another 20 years! 😉
My husband and I talk about this all the time as multiple decades deep into our respective careers. It's the joy of learning and the continued development of lifelong skills and the ideas that keep it interesting
I laughed so hard at the "being aware of cognitive bias doesn't make us immune to it" because what you were saying just before that I was already thinking "No, I'm still a freakin idiot because I know myself and know that I still fall prey to my biases". Being no less susceptible to my biases even when I recognize them means that when I notice I feel like an idiot again.
That’s called humility
@@mikemcleroy8265
NO, DON'T FEED HIS EGO
@@josegonzales9169 nah mate, I can tell this guy doesnt have an ego. Just let him be selfish for a little, its healthy in smaller quantities...
lol same, “im working on it” “crap I did it again” “damnit.”
most people have that thought, it’s just that RUclipsrs are narcissist by nature so they instantly get a higher opinion of themselves. You have to be a special kind of vain to make your job recording yourself.
“It can be quite difficult to win an argument against one who is clever, but it is always downright impossible to win an argument against someone who is stupid”
- Douglas Adams
You can't win an argument with someone who tries harder to win than to be right. But that just means you already have.
You made that up
@@geoffreyrush9708 literally everything's made up 🤷♂️
Might explain Douglas's obsession of blowing up the earth.😆
Do you have blind faith that life began from random Chaos?
Can you show one example of Darwinian evolution (one species into another) today without fossil records?
Or the law of the universe that brings life from nothing?
Because my experience has shown me that the more information I have about a given subject, the more my thinking and my opinions about it evolve and change, I always refrain from taking strong positions on any issue that I do not know that much about. And even on matters I know well and have firm positions on, I always bear in mind that I might still be wrong.
One of the best lessons I ever learned was to be willing to say “I don’t know enough about this to speak intelligently on it.” I am eternally grateful to everyone who I’ve said that to and has had the patience to explain what they’re saying to me.
Yes me too. For some reason when you admit tou don't know people actually like you better when we assume they would think we're incompetent.
"I don't know" has gotta be my favorite answer.
I take the same approach to celebrities and the like.
"I don't know enough or care enough about them to hate them"
There's a few politicians I absolutely hate, but that's with objective reasoning and fact based decisions.
I don't vote, so no I don't have any political biases.
Just cold hard factually based deductions.
No, it's not the big bad orange man. It's his predecessor and successor.
@@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916 I mean, I like the predecessor and I think we have a meh successor. I hate the orange blob a lot tho.
Ah yes the corporate spokesperson approach "I am not equipped to come to a conclusion at this time."
My grandpa always responded with "Maybe" to things he was uncertain of. That subtlety in thought is something I feel everyone should know about. He never made a conclusion to an unknown without first learning more.
Perhaps has become my go to lol. Thanks for sharing.
Funny! I say "maybe" or "perhaps" and get called indecisive!
If only people these days took this approach
@@erich930 people want solid answers, so that no variables get in their way, just realise that you are being truthful. Dont let them change that.
I do try to get as much information as possible before forming an opinion - something which at times drives the people who already made up theirs crazy.
The part about it that bother me is WHY they expect me to have an opinion withoug investigation..
I used to work at a company that described it's (Engineering) culture as "strong opinions, loosely held". From a communication perspective, it was one of the healthier work environments I've had the pleasure to paddle around in.
This is so true. Be aware that you don't hold all the answers but also don't be a doormat that believes nothing you say has any value. Speak your mind but also be open to other ideas.
Good comment!
Mark, your "Why Stupid People Think They're Smart" is well done and the mind images and visual images you use are awe inspiring. LOVED THEM. Trying to float new concepts to a profession is no less easy than trying to argue politics online. I enjoyed that post immensely.Thank you.
Wow, what a breath of fresh air this video was for me. I make so many mistakes and as I’ve gotten older I’ve learned (or rather, trying like hell to get better at) to stay grounded, open and honest about those mistakes rather than put a wall of denial up or even worse, point the bony finger. It’s a sobering way to live because being critical of yourself is tough, but essential for mental and spiritual development. The ability to embrace your flaws instead of hide them away is a tricky thing, because although accepting fault is a good thing the goal is still to reduce them…..almost has paradox written all over it….
There’s a reason you never know, til you know.
@@Barqop You’re forgetting about known unknowns.
yes i am. ty
Yep. I'll add that accepting when you're wrong or did something wrong (especially over time), is a breath of fresh air because you learn that making mistakes is not a permanent mark against you. It's when you own up to them and let go, that you truly learn as a person.
@@richsackett3423 theres known unknowns and unknown unknowns and unknown knowns lol
(idk how boondocks thing is )
As an expert in stupidity you have been very informative. If there is one thing we can all agree on it is that this expert has forgotten more than we will ever know about being stupid.
Burn
This video is painful to watch. The irony is breathtaking. The guy making the video mistaking knowledge for validity is Dunning Kruger.
The quadrant is two things squared. Talking about the two different people, one who can't apply knowledge with the people who know knowledge.
Knowledge in a person can be strong or weak. And validity in a person can be strong and weak. Both independently strong and weak points.
Validity is NOT a sum of knowledge. Vs. Validity is applying knowledge. And one is born with validity. It can't be tough in school. You don't send your kid to school to learn to apply knowledge. Just learn knowledge.
Re-watch this video and you will see him seamlessly cross the two up. Seamlessly use both words (knowledge and properly applying knowledge) as the same word.
People with a awesome ability to memorize lots of knowledge doesn't mean they can properly apply knowledge. AKA validity
Some one with a great ability of learning knowledge can or can not have validity at the same time.
And some one with awesome validity can suck at knowledge. But give that person Google. And watch out.
For example; a news source should report knowledge, and save the validity for the viewers. And no opinion panels of experts spoon feeding the wrong validity.
My reporters are my fetch dogs of knowledge. Hold the validity. Be my eyes and ears, not my brain.
So the quadrant is two things squared.
@@BlackRose-rp7kvMe being dumb because you not understanding; is the perfect example of Dunning Kruger. A hypocrisy present in your statement.
validity (or logical) and knowledge is spelled different, because they have COMPLETELY different meanings.
Again. Mistaking knowledge of validity is a amateur mistake.
I know a person, his knowledge is unmatched. The smartest person I ever knew (in the field of knowledge). But he can't apply that knowledge to fix anything. He can't put 2 and 2 together, but can tell you all about 2 and 2. But can't talk about 4. 4 is missing in the conversation. He is the dumbest person in validity I have ever met, at the same time having the best knowledge I ever met.
The definition of logical (or validity); is not knowledge. Spelled different. And not to confuse the two. The guy in this video is clearly confusing the two
@@noel7777noel I never heard of validity before
I had to do many stupid things to find wisdom.
This has taught me that the border between confidence and arrogance is very thin indeed
Thinner than Moon atmosphere
(Yes, it exists)
@@VCE4 lol. 😁
Donkey!
The difference is about forgiveness.
A confident person would forgive themselves for stumbling. An arrogant person is subconsciously not forgiving themself for stumbling
Never seen anything from you before but this is SO GOOD! So true in every aspect of life. Don't think the medical world is different (my environment). I just realized that having worked in so many different cultures slightly inoculate you from having too firm beliefs since you are not heavily investing in one group. Thank you life!
It also explains why logic is useless when you come to a new place and want to share other clinics (not your own, God forbid!) experiences and knowledge.
I'm rambling but this clip got me viewing some situations from a different angle and it's really refreshing! Thank you!
As a manager, I've found that being able to self assess and admit when your wrong is actually not just a great tool for learning, but also great for relationship building. I try to express the importance of self assessment anytime I'm teaching about leadership, it's so hard to instill in others though. They really have to come to it on their own.
For you, it's invaluable. Trust me that based on experience, most common subordinates do not really care nor do they learn anything from what you are doing and showing to them.
I say most because there is few exceptions.
Or they could only learn AFTER, when they move out and meet entirely different kind of managers.
I think it just gets frustrating when other people don’t do it and they think that because they don’t question themselves more that they are superior somehow.
You need to be sure you still exist if you are wrong at some point. The more insecure you really are, the harder it is to keep the reigns on your positions, opinions and knowledge/prejudice loose. A CEO may think no one will ever take him (or her) seriously again if they admit to have ordered other people to do a stupid thing.
I swear I'm not trying to be an ass, but I just thought the irony was funny that you spelled "you're" wrong lol
@@Shaka1660 lol, Shaka, equally not being an ass, but let's hope JPR manages his people better than his English courses🥸
Humility is key. Something everyone including myself need to practice daily.
However, the moment you get in a situation , when some complete idiot with enormous confidence , earns status and influence in your field of expertise , (becoming your manager for example. ) You will notice that hard learned humility goes out of the window really fast ! 😅
@@spiritualanarchist8162 maybe you need to be the boisterous one first haha
I'm the best ever at humility, nobody can beat me at it
Amen to that.
I'm proud of my humility. I should become a professor of philosophy or sth
Growing up I read a lot about everything and studied harder than my peers because I felt I was not smart and needed to put in extra effort to keep up with them. Then I went to university and realised that a lot of the students I thought were smarter than me were actually really ignorant of things I considered to be basic knowledge. It was both a confidence booster and a warning not to get complacent.
Everyone has areas of competence and incompetnce...I think.😮
Due to ADD and being on the spectrum, I was in "self contained" classes where I was taught the same low level material as the rest of the small class. I got made fun of for not knowing basic things not due to inability but lack of exposure.
2 year gap between HS and college. I learned to read scientific journals and learned research methods without being taught. When I finally was in college I was basically leaps ahead of everyone. I was leaps ahead of the average person overall while in a few concentrated topics I amazed professors on how much I cam to learn on my own before ever having any formal education on the subject. Naturally, I was full of myself on intelligence comparing then to before.
Today I feel like I'm a complete idiot. I have a grasp of how much I don't know.
@@jcdenton7914 try not to beat yourself up too much because you might end up developing imposter syndrome like me. That's the negative side of having the mentality of 'I'm not smart/talented and I need to keep learning to keep up with others' that I mentioned earlier.
I feel the same way about the audio text at my job
The dumbest person is usually the loudest.
I’m an addiction counselor with 34 years in recovery, myself. I’ve been humiliated by people with opposing views. I also see exactly what you are talking about, both in me and in my clients.
Humiliated how?
Typo. Not humiliation.
Can’t remember, for the life of me, what I meant.
A couple of years ago, my best friend, who is 10 years younger than me, asked me for some older-guy wisdom. All I could come up with is "always assume you are wrong." I feel if more people just assumed what they think is wrong, they would spend more time trying to find more information.
Alternatively, don't be afraid of what you know, always have an open mind, and be willing to completely change your position on if presented with information that contradicts what you thought you knew. You want to be able to have a conversation about something without caveating every sentence with, "but I may be completely wrong about this". Point being, you don't need to assume you're wrong to encourage finding more information.
Reflection is truly key. Humanity should dare to look deep within, but it should also accept that more than mere physical Reflection is required for true, celestial enlightenment.
"Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind's journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul's fate revealed. In Time, all points converge; hope's strength resteeled. But to earn final peace at the Universe's endless refrain, we must see all in nothingness... before we start again."
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--Diamond Dragons (series)
A few years ago I adopted the mantra, "Everything you know is wrong," and it opened me up to seeing the world in an entirely different way. I'm really glad I did, because life has been more interesting and vibrant since.
That is BRILLIANT!
Or when your haveing a conversation with another person. Assume that they really do know something you don't know and help you keep a open mind
An interesting effect of Dunning-Kruger is that often young adults often feel like they have the world by the tail and they have everything figured out. As you grow older, you learn more and, as Dunning-Kruger predicts, you also begin to see how much you don't know. The beginning of wisdom.
From my own personal experience (so take with pinch of salt), many young post-graduates, especially those in the working class, don't feel like we "have the world by the tail" whatsoever. In the face of stagnating wages, rising inflation and living costs, political corruption and the slow dismantling of welfare and public services by conservative powers, we realise how little our education system prepared us for what comes after.
But in the pursuit of educating ourselves on how to become functioning and independent people, we also learn just how skewed the system is against us, how difficult it is to actually be functioning and independent without becoming wildly unhappy - at least, for those of the working class. The best we can do is vote, and keep ourselves alive long enough for the ignorant and hateful to pass away so that we can slowly start to clean up their mess and improve things for the next batch of young folks.
wisdom is applied knowledge.
those that go to "Higher" education, are the ones that this affects the most, because they believe in their degrees and their ways of learning often not through experience of trials and tribulations then they try to apply their Knowledge that lacks experience to others in real world setting which create disastrous results.
That's cool and goes with the Bible that says the beginning of wisdom comes from reverencing or respecting (with fear, aka awe) God. It is because the more you learn the more you realize you don't know and don't have time nor capacity to know it and that makes you respect the one who can or has or universe or whatever you want to call it. I believe that's what the end of Job is about. I believe in God and Christ, but even if you do not the Bible has many truths, talks much of planting seeds, and has profound verses that convey information just like this. Wise men are humble and seek godly council. It also goes with parables and with the young King who won't listen to older advisers and surrounds himself with young yes men advisers and goes off to war and is shocked when he loses and is killed...that's a useful example even if you are an atheist and Proverbs was written and or collected by the King who was supposed to be wise, King Solomon, so it can be a good place to get some uncommon common sense for all people no matter philosophy or spiritual beliefs.
So true. At 20 I thought I had the answers to all the world's problems. The older I get the more I realise how much I don't know
“Humility isn’t thinking less of yourself; it’s thinking of yourself less.” - C.S. Lewis
This is the first video of yours I've ever seen - I'm only halfway through and I already want to watch more of your stuff! Great lesson, humor, and self-awareness (and plea for us to have the same!).
I am personally humble AF. Thank you for getting this information out there so others might get on our level.
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People who say they are humble are not humble enough since if they were humble they wouldn't know they were humble
(humble edit: only just realised you were being sarcastic)
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Right?!
My grandmother gave me some advice on this when I was a kid. She told me that it is ok to not be very smart but the important thing was to realize it. In other words, don't walk around thinking you are smarter than you actually are. Best advice I ever got. Thanks, Grand Ma.
Too bad Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene had no one in their young lives to impart this wisdom.
@@parkerpoindexter4667says the silly princess that voted Biden:/Harris and thinks AOC is doing a good job.
One of the greatest things I've learned with age, is that it's ok to say you don't know something. It enables you to close your mouth (not say something foolish), listen, and to actually learn.
I’ve never met a single Democrat that would acknowledge the fact that they were mentally retarded.
we are all born with the same brain as Einstein
You did a really good job in describing this effect. I have seen it described before but you have done a really good job. My whole life, from the age of a child, through a teen, a young adult up to now, at 55 yrs, I have wondered about this stuff. How others are so confident. All through my long phase of thinking about this and asking why, I always thought that it was me who didn't understand because everyone else was older, who had a career behind them in a field, etc etc etc. Maybe about four years ago, I realised that the issue was not "what" people thought, but "how" they thought. You hit the nail on the head, when you mention that their beliefs are determined by emotional thinking. How they feel about something rather than the data around it. You mention educating people about their cognitive biases and how that doesn't work. Again, it isn't about the data or what they know or don't know; it is about how they think. You ask the question of how you overcome your own ignorance and how do you educate yourself to see something you can't see (blind spot). The answer is how you learn. How you observe the learning process you yourself go through. You learn to see the steps that you always go through. You learn to recognise the steps. I know what I know now will change. I know that no matter what effort I put into something, I will always be wrong. I have told this to people and they misunderstand. They think that statement means that I am hard on myself. No. I am always wrong because I don't have all the information. The human race does not know everything about everything. So the best I can do is take a strategic position. And knowing this, I am open to listening and learning, to accept or reject information. I study to know enough to make sense of what others say. I also know that as I learn more and more about a topic, everything runs down a path that runs in a particular direct but what always happens, is that one of the next pieces of information, rotates everything to point into the opposite direction. That happens all of the time and makes perfects sense, and I am always looking for that. Your next comments that most people's belief aren't based on logic or reason but identity and group affiliation. Wow that is such a powerful comment and one that I couldn't see for a very long time because I am a loner at heart and when I saw it, I was repulsed, seeing people change their beliefs in favour of being accepted into a group. I want to insert another comment and that is that most people don't study and are not interested in learning, so this processes of watching yourself learn is never experienced. If I can comment on you thought about dropping seeds. I don't believe that will work. A seed won't sprout because when you tell people something and they don't accept it; what is going on, is that they don't understand because they don't think how you think, and there are many stages of growth and levels of thinking that have to occur prior to reaching your stage. If you say something, and it doesn't resonate with them at that moment, that pearl of wisdom is gone forever. It isn't retained and so it won't grow. Your comment on humility is very true but these personal qualities cannot be put on like a coat. They are the result of a process. You can't wake up one day and decide to be humble or to be anything else. Personally I have reached a stage where I have given up in trying to get people to see and understand the world in the same way as I do. It is upsetting that you can be so different to other people that you cannot communicate effectively but I have spent thirty plus years on this and I have never taken a step forward with a single person.
May I suggest that you are one of those smart people who think they aren't? I'm almost certain that some of those seeds/"pearls of wisdom" that you assume fell on "stony ground" (my words) have sprouted and grown - you just weren't around when they did. To test what I am saying, go quickly through your own memory banks and find a few instances where someone else has said something to you which has resulted directly or indirectly in your making some significant change in your beliefs and/or behaviours. It's odds on that others have responded to you as you did in those instances. One example from me: a Roman Catholic priest once said to me when I was about 50, "Bruce, my boy [sic], the secret of power is powerlessness." I was and am atheistic, but a protestant reared one with a profound distrust of Catholicism. I still remember that comment from more than 30 years ago, and believe in the paradox which he voiced to me.
You wrote, "I have given up in trying to get people to see and understand the world in the same way as I do." Expressed thus, I offer the suggestion that you were never appointed to the job of getting people to change their world view, and resigning from the role was a good move. However, simply sharing your world view fwiw is a different kettle of fish, and you could still do this in a situation where you think the listener (or non-listener) might benefit. It's worth putting healthy ideas out there even if there is only 1% take up and only 1% of the take up ever comes to your awareness. And I acknowledge that giving up is an option (that probably won't result in your spending a long time in a hot place).
As an atheist approaching the end of a human life span, I'm happy. I share my perspective with religious people but not with the intention of making them wrong or getting them to give up their belief (which I believe is fanciful/magical). I see no problem in their dying deluded (as I see it) and like me not going to "heaven" because (as I see it) neither of us will know that we didn't go to heaven (or maybe hell in my case). On the other hand, occasionally, a Christian has tried to convert me because (s)he liked me and didn't want me to burn in hell for eternity. I got their love/empathy as well as the thought that their motivation was to soothe their own feelings more than a concern for my long term welfare.
This results in the "imposter syndrome". An expert in a field might still feel to they are under qualified. I've definitely felt this way from time to time even though I'm successful in what I do and have multiple patents. Thank you for posting!
ive been an engineer for 6 years now and still feel like i am too fucking stupid for my job even though i consistently get excellent performance reviews each year.
@@adrianc6534 after the reviews, are you wondering if they're even qualified to review your work?
That's the state I perpetually live in. Reading shit takes on the internet is actually reassuring. Like, I may think I'm a fraud, but at least I'm not THAT stupid.
@@adrianc6534 I've worked in environmental science publications for the better part of two decades, and everyone seems to appreciate my work and ostensibly defer to my "expertise," but I'm constantly in fear of being exposed as a know-nothing fraud.
I know what you mean.
I say I've always been underqualified.
Sure enough on paper, I graduated and have a degree, but I like studying. I don't like working.
Tbh, I do not want to work on something that will help people. I just can't be responsible if I messed up. Or more like, I will mess up because I'm not motivated enough to do well helping people.
I worked at the DMV and I learned to not argue with people about facts they didn't want to hear,then I applied that to my dealings with people's opinions on science and politics. This has given me so much peace.
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One of the things I was taught, as a child, was that…there’s always a possibility your wrong. And critical thinking is a skill that can help you be more confident in your beliefs while also continuing to have or practice humility.
*you're ;)
@@chrisaultman1 😂😂😂😂 yes
I got a job at a theme-park when I was in my teens. During the training part, one of the things that they emphasized was that as park employees, we're not allowed to JUST say "I don't know", but instead we should say, "I don't know, _but I'll find out."_
For whatever reason, that made it into some deeper part of me and stuck with me. It's weird how little influences at the right time in our life shape us so much later.
That’s called costumer service
Customer
@@colbornfarms4849 lol - they're both right, bro, because we wore costumes.
Oh yes. I had the lesson drilled into me as a teenager, in my first customer service job lol But it never left me, either. At work now, at 41, even when I’m stressed, stretched too thin, and SO done with everyone’s needy bs, if a co-worker asks me something I don’t know, I can’t just say “I don’t know” & go back to my own work. I might not get their answer that second, but like 3 days later I’ll find them & tell them, while they’re going “wait what???”😭 It is INGRAINED in me forever. In probably anyone who’s ever worked customer service for any real length of time.
You'll hear that a lot in the military. They're quite good at exposing weaknesses and then strengthening those intelligent enough and/or self aware enough to take advantage of their opportunities. Many leaders, the good ones, are quite adept in those areas. And, yes, the bad ones believe that they're the good ones. 😂! It's best to let them learn the hard way.
I have experienced the Dunning-Krueger-Effect recently myself. I am a university student working at a tech company and I always have doubts about my work and I feel like I'm "too slow" and that everyone else is so much more knowledgeable than me. I am close to finishing my master's degree and last week my boss came up to me and offered me a full-time contract starting after I finished my degree, because they were so impressed with my work over the years and willingness to learn new things that I have shown.
I have never felt better about my work. Often, the people surrounding us are more aware of our skills than we are.
Congratulations!🎉👍
Same, minus the school part
It's been incredible
That's not the Dunning-Kruger effect, that's imposter syndrome followed by a non sequitur.
I think it's because you start to judge self against perception of peers.
@Mark Manson You are intellectually honest. How refreshing.
First time I learned about Dunning-Kruger years ago, I just stared at a wall for an hour watching so many mysteries resolve about myself, friends, work colleagues, managers, politics, police, advertising, etc. As epiphanies go, this one is like being hit by a truck.
Same here! And it happened again when I encountered an article on the Semmelweiss Effect. I was like, "OMG. This explains so much!"
Yep....
@@ak5659I don’t know what that is now I’m going to research it. Will come back and add some thoughts after I gain at least a fraction of a percent of an idea of what that is lol
@dickturpin576 from someone who hasn't looked into him yet, you're statement seems obtuse
@Dick Turpin Can you tell me how people would receive highly sought after goods or services, if what they provided in return was undesirable?
I resonate with this on the deepest level. In fact, I am the most humble, open, intelligent and self aware person I know. I’m better than everyone else at avoiding these psychological traps
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Thanks for the laugh, guy
Squishily thanks for lending me your Lamborghini while you rescued those orphans from a burning building, you're the best 😎
@@ChaoticNeutralMatt it's possible. Why you may ask? There's always exceptions to the rule.
Is this satire?
This is my problem whenever I get into an argument with someone.
I constantly swing between "Oh shit, I might be wrong here" and "The other person is full of crap and is bullshiting me with over-confidence".
Which is tough, because you are both afraid of being an ass right now or allowing an ass to walk right over you.
Well that's Y we need to have keen eyes in order to compare things by the "Right" metrics, unfortunately, most people judge others by the wrong metrics.
So when you go looking for the 'right metric', you find yourself dealing in 'ethics' about what is "Right" and "Wrong" ?
And then we can deduce what is right and wrong by figuring out what is good or bad for everyone including Ourselves. 🤗
It's easier if you just accept that you're going to be wrong sometimes in those interactions. Accept that you are, then admit you are. Even if it means conceding a point to the other person. Even if it means it might derail the conversation a little. Learn to give ground when you're wrong. There is no shame in saying, "crap, man, you're right. Thanks for this conversation."
If people have overconfidence that they BS you with, you just let that play out. You ask them to walk you down the lines of logic they're using to arrive at those conclusions. Then you just start asking hypotheticals. People are more likely to listen to you when you approach them from the standpoint of "just trying to understand their point of view". As in, you put them in the position of authority in the conversation to teach you, and you just ask questions. Not leading questions. Not "passive aggressive" questions either. You say things like, "So, from what I know, X. How does X factor into what you think/believe?"
When a person has to teach you what they know, they've unconsciously opened themselves up to learn things and question what they know. Because, their goal is to share with you their great philosophy and they REALLY want you to agree with them. They REALLY want you to understand it so you can convert. So, they'll jump through any hoop they have to in order to teach you. Meanwhile, every innocent question in your quest to understand them forces them to rethink their position.
Just be an ignorant ass like them and you can't lose 👌
5:00 "This is the paradox of trying to overcome our own ignorance"
This is when you hear the phrase " I forgot more than you ever knew" comes in to make sense. I have learned many things at 42, yet I am getting more curious and open minded as I progress cause there are more sides to things than we are taught.
You learned many things? You mean you learned nothing and still have room to grow 😛
@@cricticalthinking4098 exactly ! thats a quote isnt it?
@@tekktori "The more I learn, the more I see that I don't know."
I often feel underqualified in my chosen field, but I also know that I am also aware that I know more than 90% of the population. I know what you mean when you say that you have forgotten more than you ever know. I still want to learn more, because the more I learn the more things connect. The more I realize about how things operate.
I'm 70 and at some point you will intentionally forget the things that make you sought after just so you can be at peace.
I was once being interviewed by a psychologist as part of psychometric testing for a job I had applied for. At the end of the interview he said to me "You are in the top 6% of scholars and I don't think you realise just how smart you are". My response was "Doesn't that mean I'm stupid?"
He called you too stupid to know you're smart as fuck. It's a very insulting compliment
Huh?
@@katethegreat2222 The lower the percentage, the higher percentile you actually are in.
@@bakerboat4572 no, the joke is the "expert feels they are dumb/dont know a lot" is so strong that not realizing they are smart is also a dumb thing for them. At least thats what i think, or maybe dunning kruger effect is being applied to me as well
"But 95% of people are fucking idiots, so..."
Brings a whole new perspective to the term "they're not even smart enough to feel stupid"
Yeah
That's like the ultimate insult
"Not even smart enough to know how stupid they actually are"
GOD created us to be with Him. (Genesis 1-2) OUR sins separate us from God. (Genesis 3) SINS cannot be removed by good deeds. (Genesis 4-Malachi 4) PAYING the price for sin, Jesus died and rose again. (Matthew-Luke) EVERYONE who trusts in Him alone has eternal life. (John) LIFE with Jesus starts now and lasts forever! (Acts-Revelation) Now what's stopping you from reading the Bible and learning who God is?
@@repentofyoursinsandbelieve629 WHY ARE YOU HERE THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GODDDD
@@repentofyoursinsandbelieve629 myself, I don’t read books older than my grandparents. Info is way outdated
@@raylessneptune451 this has to be one of the dumbest fucking things I’ve read all year.
My life got better when I actually noticed how clueless I was about so many things that I think I knew. It's those blind spots that'll knock you down though when you least expect it, and you can catch glimpses of those through other people (who can see them!). If my ego doesn't get in the way, good things eventually happen, but it takes time, and it takes effort and work; humility is hard when you're up against a fire-breather of a conversational partner.
Superb video man. You're super authentic in your presentation, and I dig your ideas. Had to sub. Had to.
A friend recently took a musical instrument after retirement. He knew the road to mastery would be hard, but was still amazed at how incremental improvement is. No short cuts.
For many years growing up I would think I was the dumb one because I was the "clown", "jokerster" friend, so not taking me seriously would always be an inside joke I would even participate. I'm not a super intelligent person but when I know something, I know. I slowly realized how my friends could be wrong on so many things about certain things and they were so sure of themselves, even brushing it off when I proved they were wrong.
"It´s easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" - Mark Twain
Wizard's First Rule.
From Rebel to maga
Miami Vice
yes @@benlotus2703
I like this quote and it is very true. The most popular religions in this world are deceptions, and it is obvious when you study theology and spiritual philosophies.
But most of these people refuse to accept the truth, no matter how much evidence you provide them with. The quotes by Jesus Christ from the Holy Bible disprove Christianity, but most of them do not care. They have been programmed to believe they are helpless sinners who are unable to stop sinning. The reason the rulers of this world manipulated this is because the power structure we live under requires us to be sinners.
My experience in the workplace these days is that self confidence is valued more than actually having knowledge.
That is incredibly depressing.
This is unfortunately true confidence and job title that you hold.
Absolutely agree and it’s a real change for the worse. I went to college a bit later than normal so at the outset of my career lacking a degree and relying solely on performance, I read a ton of business books on technical skills, soft skills, etc. For the most part the historical advice was if you want to be successful then do a great job. Be more competent than is expected of you and if you want to be a leader then lead by example with integrity and moral courage. If you pick up 90% of business advice books from the last 10 years, it’s all about how to demand a raise and look the part and just self centered garbage. But that’s the environment these days. I think partly because corporations are so big and disconnected in so many ways but some of it is just the social virus of narcissism. 😂
Let's not beat around the bush here, let's call "self-confidence" what it really is - bullshitting.
Yep
Loved this. Wise. Helpful. On point. Thanks, Mark
Yep. As a teacher, I taught that education is the life long process of finding out how much you'll never know. I counted myself successful when my students would start to recognize depth in the topic I was teaching. Ego driven ideology is our default mode of living, and a horrible way to live. Learning to trust beyond our ability to see and understand is the essence of spiritual living, and wonderful. When you choose spiritual life, you stay young, curious, excited.
There are three characteristics we need to remain mindful of: crazy, stupid and assholeness. Sanity is knowing that you're crazy (yes, we all are). Humility is knowing that you're stupid (yes, we all are). Probity is knowing that you're an asshole (yes, we all are).
The perennial problems of society aren't that we're stupid, crazy and assholes. The perennial problems of society are that we do not know, nor accept, that we're stupid, crazy and assholes.
I would crush up this comment and snort it if I could
Well said. The tragedy of human self unawareness. Granted that self awareness is not very flattering. I once corrected a friend in intellectually overbearing way, and felt truly ashamed of myself. I’ll admit to still having some impatience with what I see on the internet.
I definitely accept that I'm a stupid crazy asshole. Does this count as humble bragging? Fuck i can't win. LOL Great post BTW.
Slight correction to the perspective. Some of us know that we aren't all knowing, that we are sometimes crazy, and that we can occasionally be assholes.
"We" includes all in your perspective; this is stereotyping and leads to miscommunication and raises concerns that you may be allowing your unfounded biases to determine your opinions.
Please refrain from an immediate emotional reaction. Instead, try to think on it and allow yourself to walk away from this more knowledgeable that before.
You read my mind
I worked for a security distributor that carried 600 plus vendors, no way you can learn about all of those vendors. That job taught me the more learn the more I don't know. Absolutely a humility check that I benefited from in my life.
Videos like these are a dilemma for me and so I always try to avoid them. I also underestimate myself quite often. However, seeing this video would suggest to my brain that i’m actually clever. But then if I start to believe that I’m clever, my brain then reminds me that stupid people think they’re smart and so I’ll go back to thinking I’m actually dumb. Then the cycle repeats. Which is why I just consider myself as an average joe, and be neutral when it comes to these videos. And actually, I think that may be the case…
Well it's apparently more common than you think...
I think its wise to not think of yourself as too smart, clever, or good at any one thing. It creates an inflated ego and leads to complacency and whole host of other issues. I try not to concern myself about how smart i am and just understand that with no matter what, there is always room to learn and improve.
I feel like people miss the point
It doesn't really matter too much if you're a dumb person or a smart person, just try your best to be more open and improve as a person.
@@emargaux The question is, do dumb people care about self-improvement?
@@Brisingr73 Probably not. But while you're aware, do what you can.
dude....DUDE!!!!! Mark, you a wise beyond words. in fact, every word you said in this video hits hard. Accurate and logical information falls on too many deaf ears in this world. It's sad, really. Haven't seen too many of your videos yet, I'm a recent subscriber and am currently reading your book. Keep up the great work! By the way, I love your elegancy and fluency of derogatory language. It's truly an art you have mastered lol
I have the problem where I always assume I'm wrong about everything all the time, I've had this issue for as long as I can remember. I like to think that it's the ultimate stance to take to keep you from being a close-minded biggot, but it's also incredibly frustrating and inconvenient to never trust myself and I can't turn it off. I never speak up about anything, I rarely correct anyone, I always drag other people in to help me with things I could realistically have done on my own, and I'm constantly stressed out.
Edit: I really didn't expect this comment to get so much attention, but thanks so much for all the thoughtful replies and advice. It's really nice to know I'm not alone in this experience.
Sounds like emotional trauma.
hey man it’s the same for me i think i’m like this cause of my narcissistic dad but don’t worry it gets easier there are other people who feel what you’ve gone through
kinda sounds like low self esteem to me. Maybe try learning some kind of skill and get really good at it. Also building a better physique helps quite a lot in my experience.
I used to be like that too. I resolved this by selecting those meta skills in me that have proven to be consistent over a long period of time. For example I'm a fair person and have no problem admitting I'm wrong if I genuinely was. This is something that has been consistently present since childhood. Hence I can trust that no matter the situation I can count on myself to be fair and impartial. Thus instead of trying to be right or wrong about a specific topic, I find it easier to pick an approach to thinking that feels more right.
This is known as Complete Lack of Self-Confidence, and usually leads to worthless people.
The seed of responsibility that you dropped in my 19 year old mind by distinguishing blame and responsibility in The Subtle Art has drastically changed my perception of the world. It was an unknown unknown that I am not subscribed to your channel yet. Thank you, Mark.
😂 nicely put!
Enjoy being easily amused. life gets much worse! :)
Two things first the NBA has fogr gotten
First: the NBA players have forgotten how to play defense. Second: might have more respect for the guy if could lose the vulgar language.
This is so true: Most people beliefs are not based on logic or reason, most people's belief are based on identity and group affiliation.
This fact is probably one of humanity's greatest flaws, and it is exploited by those in power to no end.
True. Very true. "It's not in this book that was written over 2,000+ years go, so it must/must not be true."
People have biases regardless of education to remove those biases, because often times, they are unconscious (implicit) biases. In example, the police.
that's how "identity politics" were born.
and it's a chaos.
The ideal human is just a robot with compassion.
We can do, what we want to do, but it is true only in our own mind. We can not choose our state of mind without hypocrisy. Great video, Thanks
Damm, this perfectly explains how I feel at my job every day. People who do way worse than me say stuff about how great they are at it (camera work, editing, etc), and I'm always tearing my work down and saying it's terrible when people around me say it's good. I've been doing this for nearly 6 years now, and the longer I've been doing it, it feels like I find more and more that I didn't know that makes me feel SO DUMB
This means you are finding new ways to do what you do in the nuance of the craft.25 thousand hours of doing something makes mastery.
Yeah but it seems like the idiots are way happier and just as successful because our jobs are mostly ruled by popularity.
When I was 14 (1974), I said to a friend, "the more I learn, the more I realize how little I know". Dunning-Kruger Effect aside, to me the natural outcome of an inquisitive, open mind is that your world, all that you are capable of seeing in a given place in time, expands outward and gets bigger. Each piece of knowledge acquired, potentially opens a door to a bigger realm of knowledge that you didn't see before. For most who experience this, it is humbling. You become smaller as your world of knowledge is getting bigger. Humbleness, should not be confused with stupid, though.
Couldn't agree more. Lessons from a wise person. P.S. We're almost the same age. I was 15 in '74.
IQ is a factor, half of all ppl are dumber than avg
@@rideordietheyretring2tranx382 Thank you for giving us such a good example of your statement.
yess you realize how much of the world you don't know, and it's scary because you're never going to learn all of it, so you never know what you're doing right now is right or wrong or just...not impactful.
I have an old thought experiment of mine for close friends but I suppose it aligns with the mental awareness topic. "Is it sane to question your sanity?" Usually resulting with an of course not response. I then ask "Do you think the insane bother to question theirs?" It's good to see another's perspective even if it may be uncomfortable while remaining grounded to a degree. Can't just go believing everything you hear after all.
i like that a lot, i'm stealing that
I went 'insane' thought I was a lot more put together than I was. People knew I was getting better once I realised how ill I was.
I dunno about all of that. There isn't really such a thing as sanity and insanity; it's very subjective. If insanity is a disorder that effects one's ability to function in society, everyone has their lapses in sanity. If it only applies to specific disorders, then why those ones in particular? Is depression or anxiety insanity? If not, is bipolar disorder insanity? How about schizophrenia? All of these exist on a spectrum. Where along that spectrum does insanity lie? I'm too mentally ill to seek gainful employment. Does that make me insane? I just don't know how one can objectively determine sanity or its inverse, which is the only reason why one might question it.
@@collinbeal I mean, you're right. But with two subjective points you can make objective observations of the comparison of them. Now I don't know how helpful that is, but we're just talking about sanity right? It's just a description of a state of mind, mannerisms and ability to reason accurately. You know insanity pretty clearly when you hear it cause it's just a thought process that seems so very foreign, but it is still just relative. Unfortunately a lot of things seem to exist that way in language, it gives wiggle room in expression but also creates confusion.
@@collinbeal You seem to have missed the point. Oh well.
I'm a software developer working my first engineering job. I was talking with my boss and saying I kept catching dumb mistakes when coding, then he said that smart people are the ones able to do that
Also feels good when your therapist says you have really good introspection. Easy to let that kinda stuff go to your head, but it just feels good to see someone with a different perspective on you be able to notice and acknowledge those things
And to add another perspective, a person can be really smart with coding but can be the opposite in other areas. We tend to think of intelligence as, “you have it or you don’t” but everything points to intelligence being situational and specific to different ways of exhibiting intelligence. For example, someone with high emotional intelligence may not be able to change your brakes, but they are great to talk with about personal struggles.
Humble brag
Read pragmatic programmer
@@ianian9078so your perspective is that OP should create a toxic work environment and a guy seeking therapy... is not an expert on giving therapy?
Touch some grass, person. If there's someone here masturbating to their own Dunning-Kreuger effect it's you.
They're mirroring what you hoped they would say to give you confidence and build rapport.
You should take that as a sign to build yourself up and believe in yourself more, instead of relying on the whims of others. Quickly the notes will change when it's what is expected of you. Self-worth is something you can only give yourself, through hard work in whatever you hope to excel at and recognition of it, and taking care of yourself well everyday. Good luck.
Arrogance kept me looking really stupid for a long time thinking I knew better and more than others. Humility, kept me teachable knowing I didn't know it all. And it was great sitting back watching the know it alls being wrong. Holding back those opinions isn't easy. But you hit the nail on the head.
It overlaps with the often true sentiment that The more Absolutely certain someone sounds about a big idea, the more likely it is that they're either lying, or in that unknown unknown camp of incompetence. Nothing is truly black and white, so the best we can do as far as being "right" is collecting data from various sources that clearly supports our positions. It is, of course, equally true that humans tend to gravitate towards the 'certain' voices, especially on social media, and as we have seen here, being "certain" is very difficult to project as an expert in anything. Feels like lying even when it's the best information available. Certain political parties take full advantage of this discrepancy in nuanced morality vs. calculating emotional effectiveness in messaging.
I think a lot of it stems from attempting to place yourself above people in an imagined hierarchy, definitely a thing you just gotta let go of.
The cringy arrogance paved way to your humility and self realization. You'd have been just as lost and ignorant if you never had the Chutzpah to think you were right when you were wrong and proudly exclaim it.
My question is why hold back? Every time you are wrong is an opportunity to learn and be right
One of the things I told my Dad in a conversation we had before he died was "maybe you weren't always right but you were never wrong". Made him think about how he made me think enough to see different perspectives.
It also seems that when a person is accomplished at any skill, he also understands just how difficult it was to get there. In most cases, there is a humility that comes along with that.
Also, the better someone gets at a skill, the more competent their peers are who show them dope stuff that blows their mind and makes them eat that crow. Yum!
What a great video! I too wish more people knew humility. Saying that you don't know something is very hard for people these days.
You are spot on here. I have used variations of this model for both business and personal application for years. What struck me in your video as the "nailed it" moment was how frustrating it can be trying to provide help with this model. The psychology of behavior when working from opposite ends of this spectrum is insane. You are given a contract, specifically based on your knowledge of a given area or field, with the requirement that the end result is giving them detailed planning on how to improve the issues based on your expertise. Yet when providing them exactly what they need, which will have both an immediate and positive impact for them, will be dismissed based upon their sudden expertise on the issue.
Since this creates frustration and at times not so subtle anger that rises up when the same expertise they hired you for is being rudely torn apart.
It has happened enough for me to give it a name. I call it "The asshole paradox."
I believe having intelligence directly effects how humble we are, how we see ourselves is indicative of how smart we are. Being able to say that you messed up, thought incorrectly or any mistakes as long as you admit and try and better yourself shows so much intelligence and problem solving. People of lower intelligence tend to be so thick skulled that any mistakes or criticisms are coming from a place of hate and not a place of understanding.
In general you’re right about humility, but not intelligence. I believe one of the worst mistakes you can make is to associate intelligence level with stupidity. My grandmother worked i a “training center” for young adults from wartime onwards. Lumped together were people with “idiocy” (sic!) Downs syndrome, brain damage, and what we would now call ADHD and autism - all sorts. I helped out in the 80s with adult literacy, an even wider group of people. I’ve met many people who attended “special school”. In my life I only knew one person designated of low intelligence who I would say was stupid. Most “mentally handicapped” or “low IQ” people are if anything too humble, too conscious of messing up, and too much aware of being “dumb”. Overwhelmingly, it’s people who pass for normal and who would score as average or above on an IQ test who fall down the Dunning Kruger hole.
I don't think talking about humility and then putting people down for being of "lower intelligence" rhymes very well though. That’s litteraly the opposite of being humble😅
@@dreadsndogs4406 it seemed more of an observation than anything meant to insult.
This has-I believe-everything to do with why the Right's current fanaticism on censoring learning and public schools is ultimately so dangerous. An ignorant, un-educated populace unable to critically consider all the facts becomes but a herd of sheep ready to be hustled where ever and when ever. Very scary for our democracy and the world.
I think it's more about practice. People need to learn that being wrong is ok, it's good when we find out we are wrong, because then we can stop being wrong. Once we understand this, it's about trying to catch ourselves being stubborn or trying to validate our beliefs, because these are the times we should be trying to falsify ourselves by looking for evidence against our beliefs.
Thinking that people who are confidently wrong must be stupid is one of our most common biases. Sure, maybe that's correct, but doesn't this just feel very convenient? How could we falsify this belief?
Wow...the comments on this video are as valuable as the content of the video! Fantastic post...thanks
The older I get, the more I realize how much I don’t know. And I’m okay with that. It’s very freeing to just say, “I don’t know.” I smile a lot now and I relax into myself. Taking having to know off my plate, has been one of the best things I’ve done.
Great video. 😌
It just makes me feel like a waste of resources and consciousness
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Love this video. My take away, if I understood correctly…
1) we don’t really know anything, life is too complicated
2) don’t be over confident, you will make yourself look like an idiot
3) don’t be an asshole, in real life and on the internet
4) don’t try to change peoples opinions because they probably won’t listen anyways, best case scenario you will plant a seed
5) humility is super important
Did I forget anything?
You misunderstood most of it.
wasnt in the video but Gratitude is a great accomplice of Humility 💯
You misunderstood it.
@Introspection 🦉 Humility is a must.
@@vanyakapetanovic4018
☝️ Here's someone who gets it! 😆
I can cofirm that the more I have learned , the less I have felt I knew. And so I came to firmly believe that learning should never stop. 😅
Learning shouldn’t stop when you finish school. It should be a continuous, lifelong endeavor. I love learning and I’m 57.
Same here. It’s a tunnel you can only walk in once. And the light in the end of this tunnel never stops shining
Agreed 100% and I've found the more I learn, the more I realize, I know nothing. It's said that Einstein said this, but I think he got it from Socrates, since he was here first. I've also found that the more you learn, the more it creates a thirst for more knowledge.
I’m with you!
I call it Unconscious Incompetence. I suffered from it greatly when I was younger, but now i've learned to keep my mouth shut.
I remember with cringe when I completed my masters degree in IT how I felt I knew it all. Fifteen years later not only am I aware of the vast amount I don't know I've learnt to try and have strategies in place to make sure I do the learning about things I absolutely need to know and refer to experts about things I don't.
Lol hey at least you made it to this level of clarity before you shuffled off. And no wonder, IT is a great field, but you’re basically in constant CEU mode just to keep up, aren’t you?
I feel the same in programming.
I work with web design, there’s endless new things to learn all the time.
i am not even surprised to see fellow programmers here lol
@@efraim6960
Very easy to call ourselves stupid, when others have more experience than us.
Programming and martial arts alike, both take a long time to master.
My favourite thing about studying psychology at uni was definitely learning about cognitive biases and then looking at researchers that went 'ha ha, WE wont fall for that we're too smart!' while their work was obviously affected by it. Always hilarious. Dunning-Kruger effect in action.
It’s kind of ironic that seeing early gains in some new discipline is almost specifically as a result to our own dunning Kruger effect. It helps build early confidence so there’s something to build onto as we start understanding how much of a novice we genuine are. The problem is those who never move PAST the dunning Kruger effect…😂
"The problem is those who never move PAST the dunning Kruger effect"
Nobody moves past it. You can move yourself along its spectrum but you cannot get OFF the spectrum.
But you make a remarkable observation -- it allows for and encourages new ventures. I start a new language, learn a few words, it is exciting and I feel great! I can speak (insert language here). Then I start to learn it is not that simple.
@@thomasmaughan4798 I think the point at which one moves past the Dunning-Kruger effect is the revelation that you don't know enough, followed by the desire to learn more and grow. Maybe moving past the effect is having the humility to keep that mindset long-term.
@@thomasmaughan4798 You move past the effect when you know that you don't know and get humility. Which is entirely seperate from actual skill in the field. A world-renowned virologist making strong yet unbacked claims about a new disease he doesn't actually know much about is as much a case of dunning-kruger as a guy who thinks masks don't work because cells are smaller than the gaps in the mask. If you ask someone and he says "I don't know, I haven't looked into it", he's not on the dunning-kruger spectrum at all. If he says "I know, I've looked into this exact thing" and he's right, then he's also not on that spectrum. Because there is no inconsistency between their perceived and actual skill.
When I was in High School my chemistry teacher had a poster stating knowledge was like an island, and the shore was your awareness of what you didn't know. As the island gets bigger, so too does the shoreline. No mention of the growing inland lake though. However, it makes sense... through practice and repetition, you no longer need to be conscious of it... it becomes instinct and muscle memory. This is why the military drills so much. When the bullets start flying and stuff starts exploding, you do what needs to be done instead of freaking out.
For two years now i ve been practicing this: whenever I am having an argument. I ask the other person "what information do you want from me to change your opinion?" If they say nothing I drop it and we go our merry ways. I aak myself the same thing internally. And if there is nothing I try to drop it entirely and let them know i am not gonna change my mind. It s saved a lot of time so far.
This hits home… Ever since I was in college, I thought: the more I know, the more knowledge, I gather, the more I realize how ignorant I am, and how much I don’t yet know. ❤
I used to think I knew I knew, but now I must confess; the more I know I know I know; I know I know the less.
I'm in a comma coma after reading this.
One cannot know how much that they do not know.
What you know is the knowledge you have gathered. There is no need to be repetative, it just leads to confusing the reader.
Ingnorance is what you do not know; Again, no need to be repetative.
Revised
This hits home... Ever since I was in college, I thought: The more knowledge I gather, the more I realize how ignorant I am.
The more I know, th emore I understand with new information It might change what i know or give me larger scope.
IT doesn't mean I am ignorant in the ways of learning. It means I'm smart and advancing.
So the more you know the more you are able to see a fuller picture of what is and what could be. You were always ignorant, so knowledge and obtaining knowledge allowed you to increase your capacity of thought and expand.
So Repeating that kind of mantra is pointless.
Knowing that you know you are capable of learning and expanding is all the knowledge you need.
this hits home... because me fucking dumb
Well you saying that means you think you think that way because you're smart, therefore proves that you are not smart
Didn't expect to hear about value of humility. I almost constantly face that people don't get it. Thanks for reminding that planting the seeds is the way to go!
Great summation. It's amazing how our people in our society have lost the ability to say 'I don't know' or 'I don't have an opinion on that' Everyone has to be an expert.....about everything...which, of course, is impossible.
who do you think will appear superior/more performant/knowledgeable in a ruthlessly competitive society (I mean a society on the dog-eat-dog end of the spectrum) in the eyes of the superficial higher ups and among superficial peers? The one who says I don't know and who is humble or the one who appears confident and knowledgeable? And yes (IMHO), overall this trend is not sustainable and no, I have a pretty good idea that this is not the root cause for our societal ills.
As much as I respect that most people don't know, I don't think people should have analysis paralysis because they're so aware that they could be wrong (not that you're calling for that). A certain level of delusion/confidence helps life to keep moving. I know someone that says idk for literally everything and it makes them insufferable. Just make a decision! 😅 a lot of things have to be learned by trial and error
@@sourdoughsavant22 oh, yeah that's true too.
I felt so bad saying "I don't know" to so many things that I'd end up arguing for positions I don't believe in when someone accuses me of believing such things 😂
I understand this is a much worse phenomenon in the "old world". A friend in college saw an exchange student leave the classroom halfway thru the class. He caught up with that student later and the guy said he left because the professor admitted he didn't know everything about a particular subject. "I'm not going to take a class from someone who doesn't have all the knowledge!" Dude...NO ONE has all the knowledge. Americans are more likely to admit this fact than most cultures.
Unknown knowns. I worked for years in a grocery warehouse. The lowest seniority job was picking orders. The company would take guys who were good at their job after a year and have them train new hires, instead of guys who had been there for a long time, because after a while the job becomes automatic, and it's actually harder for them to convey the ttricks and techniques they haven't thought about in years.
I’m a testament to those seeds you talk about planting. I read The Subtle Art back in 2017 when I was 25, and while still thinking it was the most profound and insightful book I’ve ever read, it took me until almost 30 to realize that while I still absorbed the knowledge back then, there was a next level I was beginning to reach to actually utilizing and implementing it on an even deeper level.
Appreciate you, Mark!
5:43 You can't change people's minds
5:54 Hold opinions lightly
6:27 Course for challanging beliefs
8:07 How to communicate with someone with strong beliefs
9:43 Humility is important
How do they know "HUMILITY" is important?
why is it important?
@@santosdr2click on the time stamp
@@goldpyramidsfoodtravelvlog7984 don't understand I wanted your input not the timestamps.
@D. S. I don't remember that part, I'd have to watch again
My biggest takeaway from this is that we’re all susceptible to cognitive bias and dissonance. I once tried to be “completely objective” in all parts of my life and found it to be not only impossible, but totally impractical as well. Life is a journey. Try to have as much empathy and compassion for others on their journey. Keep your eyes and your ears open.
You are right, what is called cognitive dissonance serves a purpose in a great many cases. In essence, it allows us to function. The trick is realizing when you're wrong and it is hurting you.
Planting the seed instead of changing people's mind is really good thought!
Thanks for the video!