Phaser Drums - How to turn a Phaser into a Drum Synthesizer
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- Moog discontinued the whole Moogerfooger series so I thought this would be good time to share a technique I have been using and have had a lot of fun with: creating drums and synth tones with the MF-103
This will work not only with the Moog MF 103, but with any phaser with the possibility to set up a high enough resonance. I also show how its done with the Phaser that comes with Ableton Live.
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Teach more $hit! You sir... Are a great presenter and educator held my attention - teach more stuff like this. Nice job
Thank you! There is for sure more to come.
@@Hainbach these ones are amazing!
I've had 3 MF-103's for years and it never even occurred to me to try anything like this.
You know I'm going to try it now! Thanks for the idea.
great stuff. I love sending all sorts of odd clicks into resonators and feedback structures.
My idea of fun, too.
Wow, that’s such a great idea! And it sounds really cool, especially with more resonance and nice sweep added.
Fascinating, thrilling, and so groovy. Thanks for the amazing inspiration, as usual.
Thx for sharing this, the moog phaser sounds incredible!
I love this channel. Esoteric gear and unorthodox techniques.
Absolutely brilliant man
Thanks.... When I saw the post I was just thinking how I could apply it to other phases.......in the first minute you explained that this technique could be applied to other phasers....Brill!
This is excellent! Thoroughly cool!
You have so many groovy toys! Thanks for all great ideas!
Great inspiration, thanks for posting
hi hainbach - thanks so much for that video. tried that moog sq1 combination the first time this evening and i´m even more impressed than just by your video. didn´t know i own such a powerful percussion synth/synth all these years :-)
Great video! I’m going to try this right now!!!
You're getting some good mbira sounds out of that.
For years, my percussion came from the single voice of a Korg MS-10 through a phaser and I LOVED it!
So good. Thank you for showing the Ableton version as well! RIP Moogerfooger.
Yeah, I think it's important to show that many of the techniques I am showing work on different tools. I don't want to be a "buy this thing" guy, even though I love my instruments.
Brilliant! I love those liquified sounds a lot!
Me too!
Thank you Hainbach.
This video has been instrumental in helping me construct the most unique synth drum kit I've ever worked with.
I now have a 16 channel mixer here with 2 MF-103s fed by 2 synchronized step sequencers, and a FreqBox, ClusterFlux, MidiMUrF, Lexicon Prime Time 93, and Dynacord VRS-23 all doing live mixes (often involving feedback) on the 2 phaser drums.
A Moog CV computer adds noise and control allowing me to morph things into brushes and snares.
Thank you very much. After years of searching, you've provided me with a drummer fitting the music I make.
Chris, that sounds like a dream setup! Glad you found inspiration in my videos.
YES! More of this stuff 😁👍🏽 Thank you very much 👏😃
Fantastic technique! : )
Super nice man!
Thanks for the tip. I've done it yesterday with the EHX freq. analizer and Zvex mastotron behind it. And had some great oldschool industrial beats from this.
mind blown - thanks!!
Amazing! I rarely use phasers but will definitely mess around with this technique. Thank you for great inspirational content!
You are welcome!
@@Hainbach great video ! Do you think it's possible to replicate it, with the new Moogerfooger Effects Plug-ins inside ableton ?
Terrific tip. I have the MF101, 102, and 103 thanks again!!
You are an absolute genius
I’ve always wanted to get into the Mooger’s, but by the time I could actually afford them, they discontinued them. I wish Moog would reissue them. These techniques sound amazing!
love my 104's!!! yes multiples.
My brother in law had a moogerfooger and I believe he sold it for pennies on the dollar! Bummed me out! I happily would’ve bought it from him. Love your videos Hainbach! You are always entertaining and concise!
You are opening My mind man, thanks! This is great 😅
Will have to try this with my chase bliss audio phaser. Sounds great!
Oh yes that will sound good! Please post an example somewhere if possible, would love to hear!
Nice Cracklebox/Kraakdoos!! Great video!
Great! Will try this with my JHaible Tau Phaser. It is highly resonant, can also be used as a oscillator, and has a V/Oct input for the frequency. This should be fun 😉
Amazing!
The Moogerfoogers never cease to amaze, I've got the 104m delay and Ring Mod, now you've got me tempted to pick up a Phaser before they disappear into the wild. I promised myself I was gonna be a responsible adult from now on though so tried it with the Soundtoys phaser and it sounds great. Thanks for the video.
Soundtoys are the nicest plugs. If I where not allergic to iLok i might have less analog gear.
4:29 Instant Crash Bandicoot!
whoo thank you for this one
awesome I really love your technique, after watch your video I created more complex sounds in combination with other moogerfoogers. !!!!!thank you¡¡¡¡
def gonna do this tomorrow
Great phaser ping idea! Love doing this with filters but haven’t tried it with a phaser. Sounds terrific.
Ping all the things is as true as Audiorate everything ☺️
HAINBACH 💯 gonna see what I can make with my E560 later this evening!
Great stuff
Brilliant!
Cool! I'll be sure to experiment some with my Moogerfooger phaser. I have used it as a multi-tracked drone oscillator for a track a few years ago, but never considered it as a percussive element. I agree that the sound is very different compared to most analog or wavetable oscillators, "liquid" is a fitting term.
It's unique for sure. First time I tried this was with Cwejman Phaser - incredible texture.
Exxelent video and inspiration !
I have this MF , but was under the impression that it worked with combfilters and not allpass filters. Well who knew:
Many thanks 💚
Thank you! All pass and comb filters are close cousins. Usually comb filters are used in flangers, but you can make an allpass out of two combfilters, too.
Love that
Thanx for your tip! this is amazing :)
Thank you! Happy pinging!
Super!
Tried with Aalto and Soundtoys PhaseMistress, sounds Great!
I'll apply this idea to my tune!
Way cool!!
Thank you Todd!
I've used my MF-102 ring mod as an oscillator, with an MF-104Z delay, and a CP-251 control processor, and created a crude modular synth.
the higher pitches and longer notes sound like a kalimba! awesome
supercool!
I wanna try to build a drum machine that uses this concept. Very interesting and inspiring as always❤
Thank You...!
You just made a DFAM 👍 Very cool video.
Klingt geil! Danke :-)
underrated video
Nice. I'm excited to try this with my Pittsburgh 16 stage phaser!
Uuuuuuuuuuuuh please post sounds somewhere
@@Hainbach I'll try to post something this weekend or next week.... I played around with it last night and found some great tones.... bells, toms, and all the way into wub wub territory.... so many possibilities with 8 or 16 stages outs as well as phase only outs on stages 7,8,15,16. Bipolar and unipolar CV...
I had never thought to try this... you have inspired me, sir!
Sweet, glad it worked out!
@@Hainbach Here is an example of the 16 stage phaser... I wasn't very inspired when I made it though as I had a funeral and my mother being in the hospital a few days apart.... hope it gives a glimpse into the possibilities with this module. It's capable of so much more. At the end I let the LFO and other CV push the filters in an out of oscillation. Pittsburgh is selling off the last of their modules through their website
ruclips.net/video/r9QZvp86PLE/видео.html
These kinds of Pinging / Ringing sounds can also be achieved using Oscillator Waveforms in the Sub-Sonic frequency range through Low Pass Filters with high amounts of Resonance. You can do Congas, Tom-Toms and 808 Kick Drums this way. If you sweep the Filter frequency you'll get Water Droplets, Crickets and Bubbles. You can also use a Flanger the same way with extreme amounts of the Feedback knob for all kinds of special effects.
Hainbach, i love this. I thought i was pretty clever for patching the 103’s lfo out to its input, (sweep 5, res 10, amt stun, rate 48, drive 0 & output about 33%) and playing with the LFO side while running that into the midi murf for a big fat bouncy bass track. But your patch is actually smart and dies what its supposed to because you know what you're doing. :)
Very well done and clear, as usual. I've always loved tones generated by filter resonance. They have this very unstable and fragile bahaviour... Feedback from delays is another favourite source of tones: maybe we'll see you explore that as well? :)
Thank you! You mean feedback techniques like karplus-strong?
I mean more tones generated feeding audio into filter delays, and controlling feedback and resonance frequency. This happens often with some delay pedals: they tend slightly to boost some frequencies, so that when feedback is high they naturally generate distinctive tones. This can be explored nicely via signal routing in, say, Ableton Live as well, that's why it came to mind.
This said, Karplus-Strong would be an excellent choice as well! :)
Oh yeah, now I get what you mean! I want to dive back into no-input mixer feedback and this could be a nice part.
Nice! Looking forward that!
I made something like this on the Caustic modular synth by using the lfo connected to resonant filters and then to formant
Such a lovely technique.... I look forward to trying this out👍and thanks
Still so much to explore with the Moogerfoogers with CV.... Hey, What about coming to Copenhagen?
If their is a gig that can pay for the way I am game! A beautiful city.
HAINBACH I'll keep an eye out and ask around. We've got a yearly electronic music festival called Strøm. Both the typical dance stuff, but also workshops and more art focussed electronic music. Cortini was here a few years ago.
This is really cool. Great example of using something in a way not quite intended. I'd like to see more manufacturers offer synth percussion devices that aren't just clones or variations of 808s and 909s. Not that they aren't great, just seems there's enough of them now.
Yeah it seems pretty cool, I'd like to check one out. The Volca Kick and the FM drum on the Drum Brute Impact seem like steps in the right direction, though could use more features, but I haven't used them so maybe they're more flexible than they seem.
Lyra 23 is coming this winter. Very much looking forward to that machine.
I just looked it up, I'm guessing you meant the Pulsar 23, that looks amazing!
That's pretty cool! I have one of each of the Moogerfoogers. I was also a bit disappointed when Moog announced the discontinuation of them. It sounded a lot like a Tabla when you plugged the CV into the resonance then started changing the sweep. Great job!
Tabla was the drum that did not come to my mind when I recorded. Thank you!
This is incredibly interesting. Shame I have no hardware that could do this but definitely worth exploring in software, hopefully with Renoise which is my live midi sequencer and sampler of choice.
It should work with many VST plugins, I only tested it with the vanilla Ableton one though. I can imagine plugs that allow higher resonance will perform beautifully.
Very interesting use of a phaser, a few of those sounds could be mistaken for acoustic percussion
Awesome! Too bad they stop the MFs..
CV modulation is king!
You manage to make beautiful sounds with this phaser, very good!
CV is one of those things you can't have enough once you start
Amazing. Cool sounds! Kind of sounds like a resonator or some kind of physical modelling at times.
It's indeed very similar to a pm resonator section, only a bit more organic to my ears.
It's indeed very similar to a pm resonator section, only a bit more organic to my ears.
Yeah it's certainly a beautiful sound. Really nice idea
Think I'll try this on my DFAM
brilliant! guess what was the first thing I did with the doepfer A-125 :-) It's so noisy that you get nice CR 78 style snaredrums with it.
I love the German accent, so badass ! Get to da choppa, bring da moga foga !
... and cool technique btw !!!
Love this video, it has inspired me so much.Could this be done with a Boss Phaser and the SQ-1?
You have to try! If you do, tell us about it.
This reminds me of the early 80s Sakamoto stuff like B-2 Unit.
Can you please explain the settings around the 6:00 mark when you’re getting the “pinging?” Is it the same settings as earlier in the video you just shifted from 6 to 12?
Very cool... Sounds like a resonator like the Mutable Instruments Rings. Nice work!
Thank you Philip!
I think exactly the same!!
I've been trying this out on my Moogerfooger and I have no idea how you're getting these sounds with just the CV out into the Moogerfooger's main audio input (I might have the wrong type cables or something?), but this is so inspiring. I plugged from the SQ-1's main out into the MF's input and was off to the races with some really unique sounds!
You get more resonance if you CV the resonance externally
Great work! Shame the mf is so expensive. Ever tried the Moog DFAM? I'd like to make the sounds of the DFAM dissonant / ambient as many of the layers in your music.
can you "ping" an optical phaser, like the mu-tron phasor 3?
Do you have any jams recorded that use this trick synced with other gear?
this is awesome! love you videos! however, are you using ts or trs cables? do you change the voltage setting at all?? tried this tonight without luck other than the click of gate coming thru
I used mono mini to large jack cables. Maybe the click was not hot enough? Resonace up all the way?
it's fun to ping frequency shifters too. I don't think they ever made a frequency shifter moogerfooger did they? I sold my foogers a long time ago, loved the sound but hated the form factor
I wish I had the Cwejman FSH- 1 - so many awesome sounds in it. Yeah, the form makes it difficult to travel with - always have to move my foogers to checked luggage.
@max marco
A frequency shifter is basically two ring modulators where the original signal is cancelled out in the end. So you just get the new side bands, which then get separated. You can approximate the effect by using two ring modulators with phase inverted sine waves as modulators when you carefully dial everything in and sum the signals. Moog made a nice one called the MF-102 and is probably one of the more inexpensive Moogerfoogers you can get.
I need to tell you about a sound I am having much fun with. Recording the beeps of automobile doors open. Many cars have tonally rich sounds that with a little reverb sound like a key or string type pluck instrument.
Its also interesting that on some trains and busses when the doors open and close a phrase of a few notes plays and I think... thats recognisable... I found out designers use a few notes from certain pieces of classical music in the audible warnings.
hi there! great idea ;) are you using any DI boxes to connect the Pedal to the mixer? cheers
Thanks! There are two A- Design P1 in between the fostex mixer and my Baby-face Pro, but no DI for the pedal.
Oh, interesting. I have a ehx Flanger Hoax that I need to try this out on.
While I don't have an analog phaser with these kinds of inputs - it makes me wonder if a flanger I have could do something similar. Perhaps not as the the effect each is trying to do is different... Still might be worth experimenting with...
@hainbach is this not how the Rings pluck input works (pinging filter networks?)
I would have read up on Rings, but very likely.
Amazing Sounds.
Keep Rockin and Experimenting!!!
Can You tell me If You Mastered all Sounds for Video or its play straight from Machines?
Straight from machines, only volume adjusted.
This can be done on chase bliss wombtone?
What about a more simple phaser like a Boss PH-3?
cooooooooool
That sound at 6:24 👌🏽
Really interesting sound design going on here. Some of these sounds remind me of some of the more archaic sounding stuff Joel Vandroogenbroeck did on Birth of Earth.
That sounds like someone I should listen to! Do you have a link to a particular piece?
HAINBACH It's on Spotify. This link should work.
open.spotify.com/album/7ifo0opXWCf3C7FA6L8ZVB
Slightly unrelated, but his album Digital Project is one of his best albums imo. Much different than Birth of Earth, but I think you'll appreciate it.
Oh wow, "Volcanic Activity" is beautiful! Thank you for sharing this!
@hainback great video ! Do you think it's possible to replicate it, with the new Moogerfooger Effects Plug-ins inside ableton ?
I haven't tried, but I am a bit doubtful after watching this video: ruclips.net/video/5_oNyaV1sns/видео.html
@@Hainbach Thanks for the answer ! Is there any phaser on the market with CV insert you know of ? The moogerfooger phaser is pricey
The textures and the base quality of the resonating osc here reminds me the tone quality of Plumbutter somehow, no?
Just GREAT !!! Thanks for sharing this. Am I wrong to believe this can work with a MF-105M Midi Murf ??? Cheers.
Murf is a filter so yes, it can be pinged! I want to try it on mine ASAP
Bonjour. I've tried with my MURF and a KEYSTEP : it works perfectly although it sounds "richer" on your 12 STAGE PHASER. Great trick !!!
Nice! Good to hear.
Kanedaaaa tetsuooooo
Very cool trick. How can an all pass filter have a single resonant frequency?
You might be used to banks of allpass filters, which would have multiple resonant frequencies as the 6/12 mode on the Fooger. But if you have single allpass as you can dial in in the Ableton phaser it has but one resonant frequency.
Very sad they discontinued them. I can't believe I've had an MF 103 for years and never tried this before! Manual says it can run between +9 to +15 volts... wonder if there would be additional headroom running it at 12 - 15v?
Very likely! Would run like the Moog Modular level then.