A few things to note; as props, the main role is to ensure no harm comes to the hooker, so it is very unlikely that they would dump the hooker down with such force. Also when the scrum collapses, hookers know to go down knees first. Additionally with the scrum buckling at the middle, it is quite likely that the hookers' faces are what go down first.
They would not throw u down but if the scrum collapses all of the force that was generated when pushing will propel the front row into the ground. If this happens it is likely for the hookers head to be the first point of contact on the ground
It's hilarious how the only dummy test in the video is obviously flawed, and they show these random ''scientists'' pretending to do shit acting like they're relevant.
ThickBeet He's a neurosurgeon. I think he does have a valid opinion and is relevant to this study. Hubert Cumberdale Some of us have a life and don't spend time trolling RUclips
This is bloomin old. There have been no serious injuries since crouch-bind-set was introduced. There were none I was aware of with crouch-touch-pause-engage although I hated the delay and the cheating that the touch and pause permitted.
You got Argentina right but the rest wrong. The All Blacks, scrum is the weakest part of our game but still managed smack England in my opinion it should be 1 Argentina 2 South Africa 3 All Blacks 4 France 5 Ireland 6 Wales 7 England, sorry I just had to correct you there.
+jaime cook Really, Bismarck Du Plessis is currently called by many experts and players alike the best Hooker in the world, and a constant debate is going on between who is a better Loosehead between Tendai Mtawarira and Ayerza, though I believe the 2 are equally devastating. Ayerza himself said he was relieved when he found out Jannie wasn't going to play in their match, he said Jannie is a rock in Tighthead.
He was a skills dev coach with Wales early on, then moved to attack coach a the wallabies. If you think the US is shit at rugby, he is the sort of coach you need, player development and systems oriented (in this case attack). He was interim Head Coach of Wales for a few games. He may have been "only" an assistant coach as you say, but winning a grand slam with Wales in 05, Attack coach of a consistently top 3 team in the world, still a pretty big accomplishment.
I've never seen a scrum collapse with such force! The other front row holds it up and it bends and folds a lot slower than that (been part of MANY of those as a player).
so his work coaching rugby in Australia and wales got him to team USA did they, no offense to americans, but that's kind of a demotion in the rugby world. Also, I'm not sure they needed to do analysis to find out if you can get paralyzed when a scrum collapses - it happens quite regularly, even at school level.
I have watched the sports science video on AF vs Rugby hits...Something does not add up to me. In this video they show that Casey Hampton is hitting at a force of around 1100lbs...Yet in the video i mentioned the AF player is half Casey's size, yet is hitting at a force of over 4000lbs... Am I missing something here or has the laws of physics changed in the last 20 minutes of my life??
Our High School team is the three-time back to back state champions. They have broken two opposing players arms, 1 leg, 1 serious neck injury and several facial injuries. I would tend to agree, Rugby is the most dangerous team sport in the world.
Some people should never be allowed to play with cameras. Or be allowed to use the word Science. Appreciate the concern Yankee but you have the most dangerous (read reckless) version of football. And you like it like that. Rugby has banned most protective wear, the shoulder charge (except for the ball carrier), tackling a player in the air, tackling aimed anywhere near the head and deal with miscreants ruthlessly (cards) because we want everyone to turn up to work on Monday. It remains what it always was, a game.
+Carmen Lau Not a rugby player myself, but have the rules changed in the past 7 years? Many people are saying it's not how it works, but what's different about it than what they're showing?
In response to body armour, most professional rugby strips are compression jerseys/shorts and can include light foam padding (up to 10mm). Padding typically protects the shoulders, arms and chest, but is not mandatory. Rugby headgear, also not mandatory, is made of foam tiles and resembles a tortoise shell. Headgear is typically worn by players in the forward pack to protect against 'cauliflower ears' and head clashes. The only mandatory protective equipment used in rugby is a mouthguard.
They weren't explaining the whole game or talking about the overall sport of football they talked about how dangerous scrums are to the head and spine so these "Americans" who don't know they're shit including a foreign coach who's coach arguably some of the best teams in the world for rugby are actually neurologists and other spinal/brain doctors actually know their crap. So yeah stfu
i play number 8 in rugby,once i played as a prop in high school and it was the worst experience of my life, now i have a neck and back ache which is not pleasant!! i give my hats off to props all over the world,the front three is the most dangerous position a rugby player could play in a scrum...
actually both front rows get the worst of it. because when the scrum collapses the locks and number 8's from both teams are still pushing and putting all there weight into the front rows along with there weight. the most a lock will get is a stray boot to the nads
so playing both prop and hook i can say i would less than impressed if the props let the hook go like that if the scrum collapses it is the props new job to help the hook
That’s all very well... and true. However... The crash-test dummy has no natural protective mechanism such as the central nervous system, which will kick in with the reflex arc to create protective muscle spasm... thereby, to a degree creating a degree of rigidity to lessen the risk of the proposed damage. Also, the CTD does not have layers of protective, shock-absorbing soft tissue (eg musculature, connective tissue etc). None of the aforementioned seems to have been taken into consideration in this piece of ‘research’ . In other words, has the scientific method been fully respected?
Many players have died not just wearing the 2 jersey but in the whole front row. Modern rugby has introduced the crouch, touch, pause system in an attempt to; A. Shorten the distance between packs to reduce the impact of engaging B. Stabilize the packs so they don't fall into the scrum or engage early This has made the scrum considerably safer, along with strict policing of scrum infringements by the referees.
+Chabal4TheWin you obviously don't play the sport so you wouldn't know. this isn't how the scrum is done anymore...and many rules have been changed to improve safety.
my friend broke his back when he got tackled and that was on the wing. he's now confined to a wheelchair with no movement below his neck. so i could say the same thing about the wing. just because of one injury that you know about, doesn't make it the "most dangerous" bit.
Well here in Argentina World Rugby authorized for changes in the scrum due to serious neck injuries that happened lately, i don't really know if this changes will be only here in Argentina or if they plan to change the scrum worldwide
In some ways american players are a good source to use as they already have good contact instincts through their experience in gridiron. The real difference is the ability to know when to 'plant out' if the scrum is collapsing.
It's considered dangerous because there's no protection involved other then a gum shield so many injuries occur, in both those sports you have layers upon layers of protection.
Also, any sport which has impacts can result in brain damage, doesn't matter if you have a helmet or not, you're brain will bounce around inside your skull during a tackle. It's why brain damage is still a major risk in gridiron, even with hard helmets.
I started at 5 but I've been playing on the backs for the last 10 years. And yeah I understand what you mean. What I meant was that rugby training is harsh and technical to make sure that come gameday the probability of having a serious injury is as low as possible.
@MrFluffytoilet I qoute: "From 1931 to 2006, the National Center for Catastrophic Sport Injury Research has reported 1,006 direct and 683 indirect fatalities resulting from participation in all organized football (professional, college, high school, and sandlot) in the US.[4]; the yearly number of indirect fatalities has remained near 9.0 per year"
What happened to engage? Thats what they used in my last tournament. Crouch, Touch, Engage And then we go through 2-3 faults cause one of the front lineman always fell to his knees.
4:40 I was in that position in a ruck. The other side, total assholes, kept pushing. I literally imagined my life as a paraplegic and my parents being forever pissed at me for playing this game. Then my teammates pushed me to the said and I can still walk just fine.
my neck is constantly stiff and i can only turn my head 3/4 as far as normal people.. im 16 and this season just started will be my 5th season as a tight head prop, admittedly i wore headgear in our last game, but i will never stop playing in the scrum and i have never heard any talk of radically changing them. long live the scrum
no proffesional Rugby Players in the US closest they got was when Martin Johnson was at the superbowl and when Martin johnson went to see the 49ers in training a few years back .he made most of the 49s look tiny ha.
@WillDaboi Say that to the guy that died in my school playing rugby.. Rugby is ten times more physical than football, in rugby you are constantly hit, whether it is rucking, mauling, scrimmaging or tackling. In football you are hit 2-6 times a game with breaks in between plays to recover. So no, rugby is NOT just football without pads.
This series is always over-the-top and sensationalist, usually to the detriment of whatever sport they are trying to analyze. As long as athletes don't go beating their chests based on the sort of worst case scenario stuff then it is all in good fun. Gotta love the Rugger Mentality of this cooky old coach though...
I played rugby in the states almost 20 years. The amount of force generated in the scrums has to be experienced to be believed. Try doing 30-40 of those in 90 minutes. Fortunately I never saw a severe neck injury in my time playing, but it was always a possibility
Scrums aren't really that dangerous. But if you scrum after a long time, your neck and back may start to ache. I've been playing rugby (prop) since I was 13. Since I'm from Malaysia, we play a 10-side match and use a three man scrum but I've also played 15-side before.
i have played rugby for 2 years and love it, about to try football soon and will probaly love it too... just not as much as rugby it will always be my favourite
I remember playing hook in my first game, no contest scrum and i bloody kneed the other hook to the head by accident knocked him out for a few seconds... scariest shit in my life and i was only 13
Fucking 'ell lol Nobodys soft in aus lol. Yeah I know aye, I watched an origin game when Gordan tallis still had hair, he use to fuck shit up lol. watched a few old league fights and man they get in it like barking dogs. What's your view on NFL compared to rugby league? Some people get confused about which sport hits harder because they watch mostly rugby union but not rugby league. Cause I don't know about NFL but tell me which sport lets you play against a higher grade like the under 20's while your in the under 16's full contact cause man it's full of big cunts lol
Lol wow before you guys combined with the tigers days. My uncle loves the tigers, he's got the tigers logo tattooed to his arm and hates Benji lol yeah my uncle always tells me about Roy masters and how he got the magpies ready before playing their games. A bit mental lol
the long term effects of rugby are dangerous too. my coach has had multiple surgies on his shoulders from years of scrumming. also my college coach has a leg that if you looked at, you knew something was wrong, it looks like a zig zag.
@WillDaboi Yeah, suppose a scrum is like a fumble pile up but a fumble only occurs maybe once or twice a game, scrums occur on average 20 times a match! But yes football and rugby are the 2 most dangerous sports in my opinion and i have the utmost respect for those who play the sport.
I play scrumhalf: our pack weighed about 1850 lbs for 2 freshman (14 years old), and 6 sophmores (15). Anyone have a junior varsity pack as massive as that? We won a state title with the pack alone. We chose scrum on every penalty, except if it was right on the touchline, because our hooker was mad good.
Sports Science: We brought in Rampage Jackson to hit a punching bag, but when we look for Rugby players, we get a few guys who said they played ten years back when they were in college.
In my youth I very badly damaged my spine playing as Hooker. I can't exactly remember how I damaged it but it was an all day competition. I saw a rugby specific physiotherapist (or whatever they are called) the next day and he told me that A LOT of force travelled down my spine and he said he hadn't seen it so bad in his whole career (tending to the senior XVs not the under 12s) and I lay in bed for 2 days and didn't play rugby for a year.
Sport science should do a segment on the side step or goose step shimmy thingy that alot of rugby players use... Gotta be some interesting facts when analysing how someone can shift there entire mass while airborne.
i play rugby for my australian high schools first fifteen team as a second rower, i think i know a little about scrumming and rugby. and heres a ittle quote from you to contradict what you just said about how u didnt say it wasnt dangerous: "Saying that rugby is dangerous is reductive and stupid"
I really wish Sports science would get in the international rugby teams like South Africa, New Zealand or Australia to do the scrum test and tackles tests. Previously they used club team from the states to test tackle stats vs professional NFL players hardly a fair comparison!!
I have been in thousands of scrums and never had a hooker injured like this. The serious neck injuries I have seen were from poor tackling techniques mainly due to coaching (or lack there of) or a football history
I played both as well. I messed up my finger in rugby (I thought it was just a jam, but 2 months later it still looks swollen) and hyperextended my knee in both. Luckily, nothing got torn both times. *knock on wood*
a true rugby fan would want the game to spread into other nations like america. and this is one video. Rugby is the best thing that has ever happened to me. Usa.
Was about to make a comment about NZ and Aussie being the best, and then realised that Australia has no scrum! :P But in all seriousness, the best Rugby players are in the South Pacific, or in Europe, it's hard to get them to go to the US for a little clip that probably won't warrant the cost of getting there. Same thing happened with cricket, got a US player against an MLB player, hardly fair, but can you really get Tendulkar to fly from India for it?
shows scrums, then proceeds to show rugby league highlights...
+Jacobain Ntini Of course in league the scrum is not really a scrum
+stoney71 I don't think the producer even understands rugby
***** probably not
Jacobain Ntini
Jacobain Ntini 😂
Scrums are the most historically dangerous? What about hospital passes
yeah
+Axisadvanced are you in the scrum
hospital passes are mistakes
they mean planned things like lineouts and scrums
they mean from history, like back then, it was very dangerous
+randomstuff508 it's still dangerous now
A few things to note; as props, the main role is to ensure no harm comes to the hooker, so it is very unlikely that they would dump the hooker down with such force. Also when the scrum collapses, hookers know to go down knees first. Additionally with the scrum buckling at the middle, it is quite likely that the hookers' faces are what go down first.
LOL i play hook, and my props would NEVER throw me down like that. this is not science.
Yeah my props would never do that
They would not throw u down but if the scrum collapses all of the force that was generated when pushing will propel the front row into the ground. If this happens it is likely for the hookers head to be the first point of contact on the ground
It's hilarious how the only dummy test in the video is obviously flawed, and they show these random ''scientists'' pretending to do shit acting like they're relevant.
you're not correct
Connor Brereton How so?
Aaaand 2 months later, the shithead has no answer
ThickBeet He's a neurosurgeon. I think he does have a valid opinion and is relevant to this study. Hubert Cumberdale Some of us have a life and don't spend time trolling RUclips
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They changed the call into "crouch, bind then set"
I come to this video once a week for my weekly does of stupidity!
Warren552011 thanks I didn't notice that lol
Warren552011 Its my Iphone lol. I can't spell for crap on it :P
This is bloomin old. There have been no serious injuries since crouch-bind-set was introduced. There were none I was aware of with crouch-touch-pause-engage although I hated the delay and the cheating that the touch and pause permitted.
BEST SCRUMS IN WORLD RUGBY
1. Argentina 2. England 3. France 4. All Blacks ........................ 176. Bangladesh 177. Kazakstahn 178. Australia
You got Argentina right but the rest wrong. The All Blacks, scrum is the weakest part of our game but still managed smack England in my opinion it should be 1 Argentina 2 South Africa 3 All Blacks 4 France 5 Ireland 6 Wales 7 England, sorry I just had to correct you there.
Daniel Crosson It's a joke. He's making fun of Australia.
+jaime cook Really, Bismarck Du Plessis is currently called by many experts and players alike the best Hooker in the world, and a constant debate is going on between who is a better Loosehead between Tendai Mtawarira and Ayerza, though I believe the 2 are equally devastating. Ayerza himself said he was relieved when he found out Jannie wasn't going to play in their match, he said Jannie is a rock in Tighthead.
+Fr33azabird the wallabies scrum isnt that good
right now 1.argentina 2.georgia 3.arguably italy
Scrums are my favorite part of rugby.
the reason I played union and not league which is sinful in my town
yeah wouldnt be surprised if you are gay. shoving your head up others mens ass, fk must be good
Fuck of rugby is food sport
Phil Kearns would agree
That may work in some cases but the ref says 'crouch' bind'set' so they don't have to hit each other like that.... In northern hemisphere rugby.
That was the old call in the video
They brought in the crouch bind set. Latly
Oh how old is the video?
Mr doggie check urself
Even in SH rugby it's a Crouch-Bind-Set
He was a skills dev coach with Wales early on, then moved to attack coach a the wallabies. If you think the US is shit at rugby, he is the sort of coach you need, player development and systems oriented (in this case attack).
He was interim Head Coach of Wales for a few games.
He may have been "only" an assistant coach as you say, but winning a grand slam with Wales in 05, Attack coach of a consistently top 3 team in the world, still a pretty big accomplishment.
This is why im a flanker
same for locks and props
literally the comment that sums up my rugby carer
TheLegend27 8 man here
hooker here I guess I might die
TheLegend27 i'm in the shit because i'm a prop
I've never seen a scrum collapse with such force! The other front row holds it up and it bends and folds a lot slower than that (been part of MANY of those as a player).
so his work coaching rugby in Australia and wales got him to team USA did they, no offense to americans, but that's kind of a demotion in the rugby world.
Also, I'm not sure they needed to do analysis to find out if you can get paralyzed when a scrum collapses - it happens quite regularly, even at school level.
I can't believe they actually make TV like this
I have watched the sports science video on AF vs Rugby hits...Something does not add up to me. In this video they show that Casey Hampton is hitting at a force of around 1100lbs...Yet in the video i mentioned the AF player is half Casey's size, yet is hitting at a force of over 4000lbs... Am I missing something here or has the laws of physics changed in the last 20 minutes of my life??
Our High School team is the three-time back to back state champions. They have broken two opposing players arms, 1 leg, 1 serious neck injury and several facial injuries. I would tend to agree, Rugby is the most dangerous team sport in the world.
Some people should never be allowed to play with cameras. Or be allowed to use the word Science.
Appreciate the concern Yankee but you have the most dangerous (read reckless) version of football. And you like it like that.
Rugby has banned most protective wear, the shoulder charge (except for the ball carrier), tackling a player in the air, tackling aimed anywhere near the head and deal with miscreants ruthlessly (cards) because we want everyone to turn up to work on Monday. It remains what it always was, a game.
Love how they use alot of Rugby League clips. It is the tougher code however
why is there rugby league footage at the start of this video, I clearly saw State of Origin
Yeah, agreed. but not state of origin. it a Kiwis vs Kangaroos at the World Cup.
Totally agree, the one with the tackles was Quientin Friggin Jammer hitting a pad and the rugby guys were some dudes from LA hitting their friend
make sure you strengthen the neck in rugby. that'll keep it injury free.
3:06 - "The first thing to hit the ground is the hookers head." XD
This is not how the scrum works
+Carmen Lau Not a rugby player myself, but have the rules changed in the past 7 years? Many people are saying it's not how it works, but what's different about it than what they're showing?
Geo Li lol no it's not
In response to body armour, most professional rugby strips are compression jerseys/shorts and can include light foam padding (up to 10mm). Padding typically protects the shoulders, arms and chest, but is not mandatory.
Rugby headgear, also not mandatory, is made of foam tiles and resembles a tortoise shell. Headgear is typically worn by players in the forward pack to protect against 'cauliflower ears' and head clashes.
The only mandatory protective equipment used in rugby is a mouthguard.
Trust Americans to explain this...atleast get some real rugby players..
They weren't explaining the whole game or talking about the overall sport of football they talked about how dangerous scrums are to the head and spine so these "Americans" who don't know they're shit including a foreign coach who's coach arguably some of the best teams in the world for rugby are actually neurologists and other spinal/brain doctors actually know their crap. So yeah stfu
i play number 8 in rugby,once i played as a prop in high school and it was the worst experience of my life, now i have a neck and back ache which is not pleasant!! i give my hats off to props all over the world,the front three is the most dangerous position a rugby player could play in a scrum...
How I broke my ribs playing Rugby #RugbyScrum can create up to 1.5 Tons of force!
Legendary coach: Scott Johnson!
*crickets*
played hooker for a season and a bit myself... always made sure to take my props out after the game for not letting me die ;p
actually both front rows get the worst of it. because when the scrum collapses the locks and number 8's from both teams are still pushing and putting all there weight into the front rows along with there weight. the most a lock will get is a stray boot to the nads
so playing both prop and hook i can say i would less than impressed if the props let the hook go like that if the scrum collapses it is the props new job to help the hook
That’s all very well... and true.
However...
The crash-test dummy has no natural protective mechanism such as the central nervous system, which will kick in with the reflex arc to create protective muscle spasm... thereby, to a degree creating a degree of rigidity to lessen the risk of the proposed damage.
Also, the CTD does not have layers of protective, shock-absorbing soft tissue (eg musculature, connective tissue etc).
None of the aforementioned seems to have been taken into consideration in this piece of ‘research’ . In other words, has the scientific method been fully respected?
Many players have died not just wearing the 2 jersey but in the whole front row. Modern rugby has introduced the crouch, touch, pause system in an attempt to;
A. Shorten the distance between packs to reduce the impact of engaging
B. Stabilize the packs so they don't fall into the scrum or engage early
This has made the scrum considerably safer, along with strict policing of scrum infringements by the referees.
A scrum collapsed happened at a rugby game in my school district. One of the props broke his neck and passed away, the kid was only 15 man..
Im a back so I don't have to worry about this :D
+justinshepa lucky you im in the scrum lol
+Michael Frisinger Prop ftw :)
+Oberyn Martell Aw yissss
I'm a blind side wing or out side centre
so your job is to stand in the corner
I think I had all the necessary skills back when I was 3: throwing, catching, running into things and falling over. It doesn't exactly take a genius
rugby is safer than football though why are they painting it out to be more unsafe when it isn't lol so biased...
+Alejandro Arellano what are you saying rugby is way less safe than football dumb ass
+Chabal4TheWin you obviously don't play the sport so you wouldn't know. this isn't how the scrum is done anymore...and many rules have been changed to improve safety.
u like/play NFL for god sake
+Chabal4TheWin you're saying I don't play rugby because my profile pic is of me during football? I play both
ur so lost ya sure thats me
my friend broke his back when he got tackled and that was on the wing. he's now confined to a wheelchair with no movement below his neck. so i could say the same thing about the wing. just because of one injury that you know about, doesn't make it the "most dangerous" bit.
lol rugby isnt even this dangerous lol
wtf u on about 😂😂😂
Callum Jolly lol you on something if you think the hooker is having his neck snapped by 1700lb of force or whatever bullshit they made up
ABS7RVCT clearly someone behind his computer,making statement he dosen't know about!
What kinda fucking prop would drop the hooker like that anyway? You'd have to be pretty incompetent to just let go lol.
Well here in Argentina World Rugby authorized for changes in the scrum due to serious neck injuries that happened lately, i don't really know if this changes will be only here in Argentina or if they plan to change the scrum worldwide
In some ways american players are a good source to use as they already have good contact instincts through their experience in gridiron. The real difference is the ability to know when to 'plant out' if the scrum is collapsing.
It's considered dangerous because there's no protection involved other then a gum shield so many injuries occur, in both those sports you have layers upon layers of protection.
Extremely rare case about the hookers. Unless its Golden Oldies (no pushing/contesting), no team would field any inexperienced front row.
i respect both rugby and nfl players. These are ppl who are willing to endure hard tackles to win a game. Cheers for rugby and nfl! :)
Also, any sport which has impacts can result in brain damage, doesn't matter if you have a helmet or not, you're brain will bounce around inside your skull during a tackle. It's why brain damage is still a major risk in gridiron, even with hard helmets.
I started at 5 but I've been playing on the backs for the last 10 years. And yeah I understand what you mean. What I meant was that rugby training is harsh and technical to make sure that come gameday the probability of having a serious injury is as low as possible.
it's safe if you know how to bind up, get tight together and engage in the right stance and place.
I love how they are talking about the dangers of the scrum yet they show clips of Rugby League being played.
@MrFluffytoilet I qoute: "From 1931 to 2006, the National Center for Catastrophic Sport Injury Research has reported 1,006 direct and 683 indirect fatalities resulting from participation in all organized football (professional, college, high school, and sandlot) in the US.[4]; the yearly number of indirect fatalities has remained near 9.0 per year"
That dummy test was awesome.. I mean not like anyone would hit a knee or catch themself when falling on your face..
3:44 the dummy doesn't seem to be in that much pain, he's smiling!
I am a proud female rugby player!
Lets be fair he was not head coach of Wales or Australia but he is now Director of Coaching at Ospreys
It really not dangerous
You do it about 10 times in a single match and ive never seen a single injury in a scrum.
it's different now, opposing props lock arms before engaging which reduces force of impact.
What happened to engage? Thats what they used in my last tournament.
Crouch, Touch, Engage
And then we go through 2-3 faults cause one of the front lineman always fell to his knees.
Yeah I was thinking the same... It would have been nicer to have professionals like they would usually have for some of their other tests
i play rugby and i had the almost similar impact and fall during the scrum. But if u know when to flex urself, u can play rugby easily and safely
I wouldn't say he's legendary but he would be well known in the coaching world
4:40 I was in that position in a ruck. The other side, total assholes, kept pushing. I literally imagined my life as a paraplegic and my parents being forever pissed at me for playing this game. Then my teammates pushed me to the said and I can still walk just fine.
Its a legal bind for senior rugby. Its illegal in the U19 variations, need to bind to the hips rather than through the leg.
my neck is constantly stiff and i can only turn my head 3/4 as far as normal people.. im 16 and this season just started will be my 5th season as a tight head prop, admittedly i wore headgear in our last game, but i will never stop playing in the scrum and i have never heard any talk of radically changing them. long live the scrum
no proffesional Rugby Players in the US closest they got was when Martin Johnson was at the superbowl and when Martin johnson went to see the 49ers in training a few years back .he made most of the 49s look tiny ha.
'He went straight into the ground' as if he was just gonna chill in the air after being dropped...
@WillDaboi Say that to the guy that died in my school playing rugby.. Rugby is ten times more physical than football, in rugby you are constantly hit, whether it is rucking, mauling, scrimmaging or tackling. In football you are hit 2-6 times a game with breaks in between plays to recover. So no, rugby is NOT just football without pads.
This series is always over-the-top and sensationalist, usually to the detriment of whatever sport they are trying to analyze. As long as athletes don't go beating their chests based on the sort of worst case scenario stuff then it is all in good fun. Gotta love the Rugger Mentality of this cooky old coach though...
I played rugby in the states almost 20 years. The amount of force generated in the scrums has to be experienced to be believed. Try doing 30-40 of those in 90 minutes. Fortunately I never saw a severe neck injury in my time playing, but it was always a possibility
Scrums aren't really that dangerous. But if you scrum after a long time, your neck and back may start to ache. I've been playing rugby (prop) since I was 13. Since I'm from Malaysia, we play a 10-side match and use a three man scrum but I've also played 15-side before.
i have played rugby for 2 years and love it, about to try football soon and will probaly love it too... just not as much as rugby it will always be my favourite
I remember playing hook in my first game, no contest scrum and i bloody kneed the other hook to the head by accident knocked him out for a few seconds... scariest shit in my life and i was only 13
ahaha how the fuck did you manage that?
Played against the rovers got smashed 18-6. Then did the same when I joined the first XV in college, started a fight because of it but won the game.
Lol yeah I've seen a bit of bitting but was only because it was a new guy who joined. Never played rugby but football-soccer. Lol
Fucking 'ell lol Nobodys soft in aus lol. Yeah I know aye, I watched an origin game when Gordan tallis still had hair, he use to fuck shit up lol. watched a few old league fights and man they get in it like barking dogs.
What's your view on NFL compared to rugby league? Some people get confused about which sport hits harder because they watch mostly rugby union but not rugby league. Cause I don't know about NFL but tell me which sport lets you play against a higher grade like the under 20's while your in the under 16's full contact cause man it's full of big cunts lol
Lol wow before you guys combined with the tigers days. My uncle loves the tigers, he's got the tigers logo tattooed to his arm and hates Benji lol yeah my uncle always tells me about Roy masters and how he got the magpies ready before playing their games. A bit mental lol
the long term effects of rugby are dangerous too. my coach has had multiple surgies on his shoulders from years of scrumming. also my college coach has a leg that if you looked at, you knew something was wrong, it looks like a zig zag.
@WillDaboi Yeah, suppose a scrum is like a fumble pile up but a fumble only occurs maybe once or twice a game, scrums occur on average 20 times a match! But yes football and rugby are the 2 most dangerous sports in my opinion and i have the utmost respect for those who play the sport.
As a American Football player, I gotta say, that shit looked epic lol
I sometimes play rugby, but I thoroughly enjoy football more.
I play scrumhalf: our pack weighed about 1850 lbs for 2 freshman (14 years old), and 6 sophmores (15). Anyone have a junior varsity pack as massive as that? We won a state title with the pack alone. We chose scrum on every penalty, except if it was right on the touchline, because our hooker was mad good.
Sports Science: We brought in Rampage Jackson to hit a punching bag, but when we look for Rugby players, we get a few guys who said they played ten years back when they were in college.
Actually it's normally the tighthead that ends up head first in the grass after a collapsed scrum
Ya they started to do it to try to reduce the amount of pressure produced in them and the risk
In my youth I very badly damaged my spine playing as Hooker. I can't exactly remember how I damaged it but it was an all day competition. I saw a rugby specific physiotherapist (or whatever they are called) the next day and he told me that A LOT of force travelled down my spine and he said he hadn't seen it so bad in his whole career (tending to the senior XVs not the under 12s) and I lay in bed for 2 days and didn't play rugby for a year.
Sport science should do a segment on the side step or goose step shimmy thingy that alot of rugby players use... Gotta be some interesting facts when analysing how someone can shift there entire mass while airborne.
i play rugby for my australian high schools first fifteen team as a second rower, i think i know a little about scrumming and rugby. and heres a ittle quote from you to contradict what you just said about how u didnt say it wasnt dangerous: "Saying that rugby is dangerous is reductive and stupid"
called a crutch bind, and no its not illegal - it makes the scrum more powerful though
I really wish Sports science would get in the international rugby teams like South Africa, New Zealand or Australia to do the scrum test and tackles tests. Previously they used club team from the states to test tackle stats vs professional NFL players hardly a fair comparison!!
I would love to see the stats and evidence that proves Rugby is the most dangerous team sport in the world!
they make it safer
as a prop, playing with the new rules, it takes a lot of pressure off my neck and spine
That awkward moment when there's mungo ball footage in there. GG Murrika.
in Canada atleast in Mississauga they use crouch touch pause engage
I play rugby and football and respect both sports. But scrums definatley hurt more than smashing heads on the line
I have been in thousands of scrums and never had a hooker injured like this. The serious neck injuries I have seen were from poor tackling techniques mainly due to coaching (or lack there of) or a football history
I play second row. The props basically go through around 50 car crashes a game. It's just a damn car crash every time.
after watching this i am never going into a scrum ever again
I played both as well.
I messed up my finger in rugby (I thought it was just a jam, but 2 months later it still looks swollen) and hyperextended my knee in both. Luckily, nothing got torn both times. *knock on wood*
a true rugby fan would want the game to spread into other nations like america. and this is one video. Rugby is the best thing that has ever happened to me. Usa.
Now they have crouch bind set so there is less impact at the beginning
What's funny is the US is back to back Rugby Gold medalist. IDK why they removed it from the Olympics.
Your right, The green loosehead's back isn't straight.
Was about to make a comment about NZ and Aussie being the best, and then realised that Australia has no scrum! :P But in all seriousness, the best Rugby players are in the South Pacific, or in Europe, it's hard to get them to go to the US for a little clip that probably won't warrant the cost of getting there. Same thing happened with cricket, got a US player against an MLB player, hardly fair, but can you really get Tendulkar to fly from India for it?
It has already been proven (by this very program, 'Sport Science') that pads add more power to someone who is tackling.
You're on top of us geographically. and that's about it.