You know Bleed scales off of arcane scaling And I know cause I've tested this for myself with a bleed weapon with the bleed of finity on it multiple times The more arcane scaling you have the more Hambridges will happen This is the exact reason why you can see people using weapons that have innate bleed build-up on them in using the occult affinity on them
You saying "if you don't trust my word, I recomend you do it yourself" is so funny. Because, man... I'm lazy, I will trust your world because I'm too lazy to do it myself.
@@Maklin191 lol, I liked the new rebirth system. Larval tears aren't that rare or limited. I'm trying a new madness build for pvp, but I can change to an arcane bleed if I want, or a strength, or faith, or intell... you get it. We now have more freedom to test out new things.
When you said the shield did 200 damage on the second bleed with the blood affinity after doing 300 the first time, I think what’s happening is just that the bleed only does as much health as the enemy has left if the full damage would kill it
@@ph0kused if it is so, the blood loss damage taken should always be the same, no matter the arcane stats, no matter the weapon scaling. But he dealt 300 to the pumpkin head after the shield started to scale with arcane. That’s odd. I didn’t get wtf happened
I was going full dex and bleed but I didn’t know about arcane, so I ignored it and upgraded faith. Kinda glad now as I can apply blood flame and black flame along with bestial healing. I feel like a Witcher. Thanks for the video mate.
Ok first, arcane doesn't boost the bleed damage, only the build up. And secondly, you need a weapon with arcane scaling to be able to affect the bleed build up. And arcane scaling on bleed is stupid insane damage, you can reduce the nombers of hits required to literally 1-2-3
I think you missed the most important discovery of your experiment. In all of your test it took more hits after each blood loss event to proc the next, 16 - 24 - 36 ect ect. Well in your very last test, you proc the 1st blood loss event with 3 hits, so one would assume the next blood loss would take around 5 hits or so, well, you proc the 2nd event in only 3 hits again! Meaning the more arcane on blood affinity weapons means less hits to proc blood loss AND it takes the same amount of hits to proc afterwards. That is a HUGE discovery. Thanks!
Oh so you think it means you'd be able to proc the bleed effect more often in a boss fight? If that's true then it could be worth it. Not to mention all that juicy item discovery you get with arcane.
@@sciuz23 its gunna depend on how many points of bleed your weapons have. im dual wielding occulg grave scythes at mid 70s bleed with 40 acrane and c scaling so getting around 2 damage per point of arcane still and it definitely seems like certain enemies are more resistent to bleed than others so it's hard to say, unfortunately there's so many variables it's hard to figure out what's the most effective😅
Ok so a few things, the damage number seems to be actually hp lost number and not actual damage. As such if an enemy has 100 hp and you deal 5k damage it will only show 100.
thats because onehits show the enemy health. if you overkill it by lets say you do 1 dmg before you swing you would still do 600 dmg on that swing. has always been like that in every souls game i played
Damn, I already liked the video and subbed because of the precious infos till 03:57. And then you even said you're gonna do tests with arcane which was what I actually expected to see when clicking the video at the first place. I wish there was a second Like Button. It's rare when you get everything you need and even more from a video.
Perfect video. Clearly demonstrates how bleed build up works and damage done, as well as the correlation between affinities and arcane. Well done brother!
The hits actually depend on the amount of blood loss the weapon has in it. The nagakibe with seppuku the blood loss is at 75 or 80. When the blades are coated, every two hits will proc the bleed until you hit the 3rd proc. Then it’s like 4 hits. So you’re definitely right about your info but it just depends on the amount of blood loss the weapon has. However!! There is something funny that happens when mobs get to like 20-15% health. It acts like a decapitate. This happened to me on my winning marget attempt
There is a overkill point in blood loss and that's what happens. So when you have absurd bleed build up it doesn't over lap into the second bleed it always hits 100 percent and fully resets instead of proccing bleed and rolling over bleed build up into the next build up
@@semisolaire5866 ok! That makes sense, like my winning marget attempt. I was on the other side of the arena when all of a sudden the last 20% of his health just tik’d off and he just died. That happened on my melania attempt too. So much easy mode lol
The reason the number value of the bleed proc keeps changing is because the damage counter is tallying consecutive damage. Occasionally you proc in sequence with other strikes, but sometimes you wait and proc with a single strike. Makes a difference between 50 and 100 points.
WOW thank you so much! I had a rough time finding a video that went in to depth like you did here. This was very thorough and a nice little experiment. Again, thank you this will help me figure out where to put points for my build.
One other important factor of bleed builds is the incantation bloodflame blade. That incantation actually prevents the invisible bleed meter from depleting. Allowing the player to play a tiny bit more defensively but you still need yo keep attacking for that de-buff on the enemy to remain there.
Hey I've been doing some research on my own after watching your video. Arcane increases the bleed build up if the weapon has a built-in bleed build up or if you turn it into a bleed weapon. As far as blood loss it does get stronger is 5 times the damage of a regular attack. When blood loss activates. Going off your damage numbers The Shield was doing 50 and when blood loss kicked in it did 300. 50+250.
Blood scaling (the number next to ur blood loss buildup text) is affected by Arcane and will ONLY go up if the weapon has arcane scaling. Blood Loss (or hemorrage in Elden Ring) is damage based on the targets max HP
@@HESADOGWHAT how does this translate in terms of build up on a weapon, like Uchi starts at 45 blood, hook claws at 60, does that mean the hook claws could build faster and cause the 10% damage proc sooner, or what does that number affect, as it changes with Blood Ash and or Incantaions etc.
@@phynamite9 Yes. The number is a quantity of bleed build applied per hit minus the 'damage reduction' from resistance. So a 99 bleed weapon against 9 bleed resist would give 90% bleed on the first attack. Enemies who survive then appear to get +50% base resistance so that 9 would become a 13.5 bleed resist. Though im not sure if the code is as simple as (BLEED-RESIST=BUILDUP) because then 40 resist would make enemies immune to most bleed weapons. That said, the video missed something. Blood based ashes of war give arcane scaling to the weapon and then the SKILL seems to scale off arcane. Needs tested.
@@Benjamin-kl7ge so then in theory Arcane could over power Dex and Strength in terms of damage output with a Blood Based weapon? But then you’re also subject to the chance of blood resistance negating that, or even facing enemies that don’t bleed.
@@phynamite9 exactly! I used to run 2 Reduvia's who each had 97ish bleed woth my 60 Arcane stat, they did respectable damage too. Procced bleed REALLY quickly, but sadly.when faced with an enemy that doesnt bleed (especially if its a boss) sadly you are left with very little options, because daggers obviously have bad range. Sadly most arcane weapons are bugged and dont have proper stat scaling at the moment. However bleed builds are still super fun!
I enjoyed the video, thanks for the explanations! I appreciate that there are people out there willing to do those tests for us to see the results :D I noticed the volume was a bit too low on the video. You might want to look into it, see if you can boost it higher. Another thing I would love to see are maybe tables to illustrate the examples you gave in the first third of the video (character was immobile). Being a visual learner, I feel like I can understand numbers better when I can see them while they are being discussed. Keep up the good work, subscribing to see more!
You should note that the weapon only needs to have arcane scaling, so for example if you have a innate bleed weapon like the uchigatana and then infuse it with arcane it will increase its bleed buildup in addition to increasing its damage by a fair bit, so using bleed affinity isn't needed. I for example am running a arcane build with base reqs and 22 faith and 45 arcane and im using 2 scavengers curved swords with occult affinity and the seppuku weapon art and those deal some good base damage aswell as some crazy buildup Edit: i do not know if the bleed damage itself increases from the occult infusion my guess would be no since there was something similar in Dark Souls 3 from memory
@@jeremyreplenish i had a friend trade me one of his otherwise you probably need ng+ or maybe you could use a blood infused curved sword in the other hand but 2 scavengers curved swords are optimal
You say 'infuse it with arcane', 'so using bleed affinity isn't needed' - how can you get a weapon to scale with arcane (which I imagine is what you mean by infuse it with arcane), without using bleed affinity?
The blood will take the remaining health from the target though, it doesn’t just go from 317 down to 266 etc for no reason and it’s based on the % Hp of the target. A higher health target taking an extra let’s say 10% blood dmg could yield 100+ dmg in a single hit which is significant, esp over time on top of faster bleed proc. Combine that in pvp and you see people bleed in 2-3 hits with combo proc for over 1k. The big lesson here is to understand diminishing returns on arcane than anything imo
This is a guess based o how I have seen weapons that have Arc scaling and an innate blood effect in them, example, Reduvia and Eleonora’s. Arc may not effectively affect the damage associated to it, but the speed in which it builds up, and the amount is a percentage, of course if the enemy is killed with the blood loose then the damage done will be whatever is the remaining health within his pool. Again… this is a guess based on what I have experienced
thanks for the work on figuring all this out. I wonder if this was changed in the latest patch that fixes some arcane stuff. it's a good idea to mention patch in explainers like this
Blood loss would be different for different bosses. For example bosses made of crystal or stone you’re not gonna bleed fast but fleshy enemies bleed easy.
You can get raw damage from arcane (through dragon sign or a few specific weapons), so you can use bleed as primary and that as backup. Worst case you just spec something into occult and be a bit worse than a traditional build vs stuff that can't bleed, but still perfectly serviceable in PvE.
I think it was clear that your second bleed procs were lower on the pumpkin head enemy because you were taking his health to zero. The damage output won't exceed the amount of health the enemy has, it looked like.
@@DeadZpikes no way you're not dumb, I've seen videos of other straight damage types exceeding zero on enemies. Maybe it's just bleed that doesn't work that way?
3:53 Some weapons have diffeent build up values, are you saying the short dagger will take 16 hits same as the reduvia to initiate the first bleed on a boss? Short dagger has a build up of 38 i think and reduvia has a buildup of 52
I've seen it recommended that if you are running a weapon with inherent bleed then to use the whetblade to also add cold damage on top. That should cover any weaknesses from enemies that aren't susceptible to bleed. So for an example use the Hookclaws with the Bloodhound's Step AoW and add cold to. I've not gotten the whetblade for that yet though so I can't say how effective it really is.
If you are talking about the stomp that produces frost on the ground, that thing obliterates enemy in pve. It is so effective against mobs, knights with shields, and giant sized bosses. I had to unequip it as it was making the game too easy.
I havent done much testing but i did use some cold claws for a few hours while memeing around so i'll share what i found (or at least, observed) You get a much higher cold buildup but lowers bleed by about half Both deal % dmg but cold does less, or at least it looks like it Cold slows down the enemy by a bit and (supposedly) lowers their resistances, i suspect the slow doesnt work on some bosses, most likely main bosses Overall, frost is something you will proc 1 time while bleed multiple times, due to the bleed lowering over time and you not causing as much bleed, if you arent keeping pressure on the enemy then frost will most likely be a downgrade in terms of dps
@@aggammer3485 The frost is an aoe damage. Bleed you have to actually hit the target multiple times. If you have a mob of enemy coming, you can kill them with bleed one by one, while the frost kills them all with one tap. Knights with huge poise and shield? No problem with the frost Aoe while using bleed you will take damage trading hits. Also with some bosses, the fact that you can maintain a distance while dealing 1000+ damage per hit is a huge game changer.
@@michaelting1496 riminder that the original comment is talking about infusing cold with bloodhound's step ash of war which can be done after getting the glintstone whetblade with any normal ash of war, *not* using hoarfrost stomp, its strictly about triggering frost (and bleed since it's talking about claws) from the main attacks
200 dmg because that’s all of the hp he had left. They don’t show you your over damage and I noticed that bleed procs happen faster when your attacks are from behind.
@@renhardhalim Hitting an enemy in the head with an arrow did make increased damage but localisation of said damage with other weapons was way less prevalent (mostly due to enemy design)
So arcane only increases blood loss buildup on weapons statted into bleed affinity, but what if you used blood grease to coat your keen weapon? Can arcane potentially effect that?
@@wutais I use keen for that exact reason - to apply incantations and greases to my weapon. Do you know if you can do so if the weapon has an occult affinity?
No. Arcane increases Blood loss, Scarlet Rot, and Poison (maybe Frost too, I have not tried) build up. It doesn't matter if the weapon scales with Arcane or not. Arcane increases your build up rate. Just like Vigor increases your HP and Mind your FP. If your Weapon scales with Arcane, that only means Arcane will contribute to your damage when hitting enemies with that weapon. Your weapon DOES NOT require Arcane scaling, for arcane to affect your build up. That's like saying you need to wear armour for Vigor to give you more HP.
I was dual wielding a pair of hammers with bleed affinity and had 101 bleed buildup on each and with the mimic ashes I was bleeding in just a pair of hits almost all bosses and it was way to easy.
yeah in some bosses I literally did not saw their attacks I've been watching videos about those bosses just to see all of their movements , that's why I already started another game
From what I've herd from other RUclipsrs that there was a bug that stopped arcane wasn't interacting properly with things that scale with it. It also only effects the number of hits not hp loss.
@Dead Zpikes There is one thing you missed. When you use a blood ash of war, the skill damage seems to scale with arcane. I use bloody slash, for example, and normal bleed kills regular enemies while the bloody slash skill has scaled high enough to handle most early and mid bosses with around 930 damage with 30 arcane and 30 dex.
Ok your weapon that scales blood damage with A,B,C,D,E BECAUSE of both stats and grade, will cause how the bleed works and how the stats take your shield for instance because of the already unigue bleed damage is but when you find diffrent weapons that can inchant bleed on a weapon but also increases with upgrades depending the weapon the bleed will work better and the blood loss damage will increase you just have to find the right weapon
I've played through the game with an dex/arcane bleed build dual wielding blood aspected Nagakiba and Uchigatana. Perfectly viable and even advantageous for certain fights. Obviously, other fights not so much as some enemies/bosses are immune to bleed, but the Bloody Slash weapon art can more than make up for it in these fights. Long range, high damage, and only a bit of a wind-up. There's even some bosses that have weak points that are difficult to get at that I can ignore for less vulnerable places that aren't as difficult or dangerous to hit, because bleed stacks regardless of where you hit. It can even stack through shield hits. All of this is on top of the normal weapon damage you'd get from having high Dex and Arcane. Also, Rivers of Blood has a lower base bleed than even a normal Uchigatana or Nagakiba. I have 30 Arcane and both have ~85 bleed and they aren't even max upgrade yet.
What do you think of the quality build instead of pure dex ? I heard that there is a soft cap for attribute at 60. Also wouldn't it have more dps for weapon with let's say with str/dex both with B scaling and attribute of both 50 compare to str 20 and dex 80 for weapon with str (E) and dex (A) ?
8:50 is interesting 2nd bleed also only took 3 hits, it didn't go up, maybe there is a minimum number of hits? Since the buildup is so high. Also it seems like bleed is hardcapped at 50% damage on normal enemies and probably like 15% on boss. The damage was the same from 57>74 50% on both. While 50>57% was 33% and 50% respectively.
@@DeadZpikes You mean those 33% 2nd procs? I think that's because blood loss can't deal overkill damage like a hit. From my experience, the bleed will deal whatever they have left (if it's less than the bleed %) plus your hit.
@@DeadZpikes I think that's because the enemy has a solid 600 and your hits happen to be adding up to pretty round numbers, and by the 2nd proc he's at like exactly 30-35%. 7:45 for example you're hitting 15, the bleed procs 237, so you bled the last 222 + 15 hit totaling a displayed 237.
*just put Blood affinity on dual wield and you can proc it much faster. Preferred duel wield Nagakiba with Blood affinity each sword have a (115) blood build up with a combined 230 point when two sword hit or combined with Cold affinity and you can have both Cold and Blood on the same sword for twice the pain when they both proc but Blood is better than Chill affinity since it just does more damage then cold when it proc. Tested out on the rune bear so many times and ended up going with Blood on both sword.*
change to occult affinity and respec into arcane over dex, blood loss build up will scale harder with the arcane, and that same damage scaling will be added to the weapons damage
It affects weapons with arcane scaling, of course if a weapon has bleed build up but doesn't have an arcane scaling stat, it will not level with arcane.
arcane is just like strenght or dex a modifier for your weapons scaling. if you can find a weapon with rly good A arcane scaling. you'd level arcane instead of str or dex. For example. Dragon communion seal levels with arcane. Other Seals level with faith. This the dmg you deal off of your incarnations would be directly bound to your arcane. I think bleed dex weapons with high arcane scaling and maybe a few scarlet rot incarnations and dragon incarnations can be very strong . just as strong as we know that magic is. I mean. has anyone rly tried going 60 arcane and a fully leveled dragon seal and cast fire breath on a boss just to see how much it will melt them ? ^^
Thank you for testing this, but you may have specced the wrong affinity on the weapon. I believe Occult affinity scales to Arcane, not Build affinity. A bit confusing I know, but maybe you can re-test.
Bleed does a % of boss's health. All arcane does is, helps proc it faster. Pumping dex just does more dmg every hit and that's it. Its up to u which way u wanna go.
Nice test, but i think you got the wrong assumption with arcane. Let me explain. Test No1 was 224 dmg, with 8 arcane on character, and the shield had no attribute scaling on arcane. Test No2 was 251 dmg, with 99 arcane on character, and the shield had no attribute scaling with arcane. Test No3 was 314 dmg, with 8 arcane on character, and the shield had attribute scaling "D" on arcane. Test No4 was 327 dmg, with 99 arcane on character, and the shield had attribute scaling "D" on arcane. I'm counting only 1st proc, cause every time you had the 2nd proc the enemy didnt have enough HP left to show a greater number. It was dying with second bleed proc. The actual blood loss from each 1st proc was not the same. Between test 1-3 and 2-4, It was almost 100 more dmg with a D attribute scaling shield, on a 600hp max health enemy its a big difference. So, not only higher number to proc bleed on passives, but if it was a weapon/shield upgraded enough to scale arcane with something higher, like A or maybe S, on arcane it would do way more dmg per bleed proc. So, if someone wants higher bleed numbers, they should try for a high scaling, arcane attribute bleed weapon. Dex and Str scaling weapons, are only raising the pure dmg per hit. Great video, thanks for your time spending to make it, really helped to understand a bit more on the game mechanics ! P.S. I'm not suggesting to invest heavy on arcane on a character just for bleed, cause Its true that if you fight something that does not bleed, you need another weapon to kill it, and those points in arcane would be worthless when fighting that other enemy....
Just did ! Very detailed !! Seppukku is indeed op for bleeding with katanas! Too bad the pure arcane scaling is just "D" even in +25. Did you by any chance try any other higher arcane scaling weapons like Whip/dagger/fist/claw, to see the difference in pure bleed damage ?
It only took you three hits the second time you did blood loss when you had a 99 arcane and a blood shield. The higher blood loss makes up for the second and third blood buildup thresholds increasing.
I'm currently duel wielding and power stancing two bleed affinity blades which do 90 bleed build up a piece. When I power stance, does the buildup go up by 180 or by 90? I've been testing on mohgwyn as the fextralife wiki says he's weak to bleed which is probably wrong. It is nice to know that the required hits for bleed goes up so I know what to expect when I try and go serious on him.
It literally explains this on the wiki. On ALL ENEMIES NOT BOSSES, it does 15% max hp PLUS 100 to 200 dmg. So the depreciation is just the percentage kicking in.
very intresting discovery indeed. i was trying to make a mixed bleed/faith build which grant me to use different weapon. i use dragon communion seal for the incantation scaling base on arc/faith. now i see the higher arcane is only effect on how fast cause the bleed build up yet lost some flat damage scaling on dex/str. i think i would still go on build rather high arcane to scale incantation with my dragon seal and 30-40 faith to grants me some access for spells i remember put blood and occult affinity could force normale weapon scale with arc too.
@Dead Zpikes For testing why not go to the stagnant dragon in Caelid? That's where I go. After the debuff he inflicts you'll have stabilized hitting with no attacks dealt to you.
Did you notice you only had to hit him 3 times eash for bloodloss to happen thoe? guess thats pretty good if you go for a blood build. stack alot into arcane! more bleed happens!
when you do the last hit it doesn’t say the full damage because they died. i’ve tested it. to get a more accurate test hit first bleed then full kill and respawn and try again
Is there any evidence that crit percentage effects the bleed damage? Or thay crits apply more or less bleed or if you bleed on crit will it do more damage?
Proper Bleed build = Occult affinities + high Arcane(up to 80)/min weapon reqs, and it's disgusting. Add Seppuku and Lord of Blood's Exultation to take it over the edge
also if you have a lot of arcane, you can use occult which is much better scalling for arcane, but get's rid of bleed. like on my character I have 81 arcane and if bleed doesn't work occult does. Also, highly recommend bloody slash, it maintains an amount of damage given and since bleed doesn't affect the skill, i just change it to occult. also corpse piler is stupid good.
I tested this for hours as well I can confirm Arcane increases bleed proc speed and the breakpoint is 31 Arcane. It also increases the damage done by Rivers of Blood Bleed damage. This was in pvp on a test dummy. The bleed procs were higher with higher arcane
@@renhardhalim it depends on the enemies resistance to bleed. However the weapon art damage does not scale but attack damage does increase with arcane but does not always increase with each level up:There are breakpoints:31 Arcane is a breakpoint that allowed even my lowest level character to achieve a bleed against naked level 60 character in 2 slashes. The bleed proc damage is also increased with higher arcane.
I felt like this was the case. I been using a Uchi with with the blood affinity but, I put points into Dex for damage and points into arcane just to speed up the bleed-rate. I keep hearing ppl say, "weapon-damage isn't scaling with arcane on weapons, unless it had arcane scaling on it by default because it's bugged". Nice video. Cheers~
This is already old but arcane literally has no scaling on split damage weapons, like the weapon loses all scaling entirely from all stats if its split and arcane.
@@zekedelsken9963 just used a couple larval tears tonight to test this out with uchigatana. 60 dex with 12 arc did 85 bleed buildup. 60 dex with 40 arc bumped the bleed up to 110. Made a noticeable difference on mid tier enemies.
Stupid question: At 2:45 you say it takes 16 hits for the first bleed damage to occur (with an Uchigatana). But in your video you show it takes only like 4 hits - with a shield that basically has the same buildup (45 vs 50). Does it really take 16 hits with the Uchigatana for the bleed damage to proc or did I misunderstood? Because I'm thinking about getting the weapon or not.
Bro arcane doesn’t effect the amount of damage done to enemies that is set based on their health. The arcane stat effects how many hits it takes before the blood damage will proc. The higher the stat the less amount of hits it takes. That’s why most blood builds are Dex/Arcane builds.
I don’t understand this, I thought a blood meter build up would show up on the screen like when it enemies do it to me. So how do I actually know if I’m causing bleed, can someone explain it to me?
I will definitely trust you if, you’re the first video I see after I search, and especially if you throw out random figures, and for damn sure if you pull up a chart🤣🤣🤣 thanks for the great video, and I’ll keep R1/L2 spamming my Rivers of Blood🤣
In depth sepukku video: ruclips.net/video/-KwGSzYGeDc/видео.html
You know Bleed scales off of arcane scaling And I know cause I've tested this for myself with a bleed weapon with the bleed of finity on it multiple times The more arcane scaling you have the more Hambridges will happen This is the exact reason why you can see people using weapons that have innate bleed build-up on them in using the occult affinity on them
You saying "if you don't trust my word, I recomend you do it yourself" is so funny. Because, man... I'm lazy, I will trust your world because I'm too lazy to do it myself.
You aren't the only lazy person here
@@electric__dragon good to know, let's procrastinate together :)
About to change my whole build cuz I don’t wanna test it lmfaoo
@@Maklin191 lol, I liked the new rebirth system. Larval tears aren't that rare or limited. I'm trying a new madness build for pvp, but I can change to an arcane bleed if I want, or a strength, or faith, or intell... you get it. We now have more freedom to test out new things.
Dont wanna waste my lavar
Searched up to see if anyone could explain bleed properly and got your video 30 minutes after posted, very informative, thanks for the upload!
i just want to point out that the Marred blood leather shield dosent increase blood loos with arcana because it dosent have arcane scaling
When you said the shield did 200 damage on the second bleed with the blood affinity after doing 300 the first time, I think what’s happening is just that the bleed only does as much health as the enemy has left if the full damage would kill it
yep bleed works on percentage of enemy health, and arcane helps it proc quicker, with less hits.
Bleed status damage is based of targets max hp. But im here bc idk how the build up works though
100% what’s going on
@@ph0kused if it is so, the blood loss damage taken should always be the same, no matter the arcane stats, no matter the weapon scaling. But he dealt 300 to the pumpkin head after the shield started to scale with arcane. That’s odd. I didn’t get wtf happened
Bleed is based off max hp, but it does have a flat damage component as well from what I understand, that may be the component changing.
I was going full dex and bleed but I didn’t know about arcane, so I ignored it and upgraded faith. Kinda glad now as I can apply blood flame and black flame along with bestial healing. I feel like a Witcher. Thanks for the video mate.
Agreed. I'm also at a dex/faith build, and was about to respect to dex/arcane. Guess i'll hold off now lol
Ok first, arcane doesn't boost the bleed damage, only the build up. And secondly, you need a weapon with arcane scaling to be able to affect the bleed build up. And arcane scaling on bleed is stupid insane damage, you can reduce the nombers of hits required to literally 1-2-3
I think you missed the most important discovery of your experiment. In all of your test it took more hits after each blood loss event to proc the next, 16 - 24 - 36 ect ect. Well in your very last test, you proc the 1st blood loss event with 3 hits, so one would assume the next blood loss would take around 5 hits or so, well, you proc the 2nd event in only 3 hits again! Meaning the more arcane on blood affinity weapons means less hits to proc blood loss AND it takes the same amount of hits to proc afterwards. That is a HUGE discovery. Thanks!
Oh so you think it means you'd be able to proc the bleed effect more often in a boss fight? If that's true then it could be worth it. Not to mention all that juicy item discovery you get with arcane.
@@patricknorris9334 exactly. I've been doing a lot of side stuff but today I face the giant tree boss, so I'll put it to the test.
so are you saying i should upgrade my arcane. so far i’ve purely leveled dex for my uchigatana
good catch, now we need to find out how many points in arc for the 3 attack blood lose to hit.
@@sciuz23 its gunna depend on how many points of bleed your weapons have. im dual wielding occulg grave scythes at mid 70s bleed with 40 acrane and c scaling so getting around 2 damage per point of arcane still and it definitely seems like certain enemies are more resistent to bleed than others so it's hard to say, unfortunately there's so many variables it's hard to figure out what's the most effective😅
Ok so a few things, the damage number seems to be actually hp lost number and not actual damage. As such if an enemy has 100 hp and you deal 5k damage it will only show 100.
yeah if i attack low lvl guard i do 214dmg but if i do same attack on higher lvl mob i do around 600
thats because onehits show the enemy health. if you overkill it by lets say you do 1 dmg before you swing you would still do 600 dmg on that swing. has always been like that in every souls game i played
Yes. Which is why these tests are done better on the giant trolls.
Damn, I already liked the video and subbed because of the precious infos till 03:57. And then you even said you're gonna do tests with arcane which was what I actually expected to see when clicking the video at the first place. I wish there was a second Like Button. It's rare when you get everything you need and even more from a video.
That's what a nice comment is 😁
Can we take a moment to appreciate the effort making this video?
Perfect video. Clearly demonstrates how bleed build up works and damage done, as well as the correlation between affinities and arcane. Well done brother!
The hits actually depend on the amount of blood loss the weapon has in it. The nagakibe with seppuku the blood loss is at 75 or 80.
When the blades are coated, every two hits will proc the bleed until you hit the 3rd proc. Then it’s like 4 hits.
So you’re definitely right about your info but it just depends on the amount of blood loss the weapon has.
However!! There is something funny that happens when mobs get to like 20-15% health. It acts like a decapitate. This happened to me on my winning marget attempt
It does percentage damage then based on the health after damage is dealt
There is a overkill point in blood loss and that's what happens. So when you have absurd bleed build up it doesn't over lap into the second bleed it always hits 100 percent and fully resets instead of proccing bleed and rolling over bleed build up into the next build up
@@semisolaire5866 ok! That makes sense, like my winning marget attempt. I was on the other side of the arena when all of a sudden the last 20% of his health just tik’d off and he just died. That happened on my melania attempt too. So much easy mode lol
Sick gear and great video, easily explained with no extra noise. Subbed. 👌🏼
The reason the number value of the bleed proc keeps changing is because the damage counter is tallying consecutive damage. Occasionally you proc in sequence with other strikes, but sometimes you wait and proc with a single strike. Makes a difference between 50 and 100 points.
WOW thank you so much! I had a rough time finding a video that went in to depth like you did here. This was very thorough and a nice little experiment. Again, thank you this will help me figure out where to put points for my build.
One other important factor of bleed builds is the incantation bloodflame blade. That incantation actually prevents the invisible bleed meter from depleting. Allowing the player to play a tiny bit more defensively but you still need yo keep attacking for that de-buff on the enemy to remain there.
Hey I've been doing some research on my own after watching your video. Arcane increases the bleed build up if the weapon has a built-in bleed build up or if you turn it into a bleed weapon. As far as blood loss it does get stronger is 5 times the damage of a regular attack. When blood loss activates. Going off your damage numbers The Shield was doing 50 and when blood loss kicked in it did 300. 50+250.
Blood scaling (the number next to ur blood loss buildup text) is affected by Arcane and will ONLY go up if the weapon has arcane scaling.
Blood Loss (or hemorrage in Elden Ring) is damage based on the targets max HP
@@HESADOGWHAT how does this translate in terms of build up on a weapon, like Uchi starts at 45 blood, hook claws at 60, does that mean the hook claws could build faster and cause the 10% damage proc sooner, or what does that number affect, as it changes with Blood Ash and or Incantaions etc.
@@phynamite9 Yes. The number is a quantity of bleed build applied per hit minus the 'damage reduction' from resistance. So a 99 bleed weapon against 9 bleed resist would give 90% bleed on the first attack. Enemies who survive then appear to get +50% base resistance so that 9 would become a 13.5 bleed resist. Though im not sure if the code is as simple as (BLEED-RESIST=BUILDUP) because then 40 resist would make enemies immune to most bleed weapons.
That said, the video missed something. Blood based ashes of war give arcane scaling to the weapon and then the SKILL seems to scale off arcane. Needs tested.
@@Benjamin-kl7ge so then in theory Arcane could over power Dex and Strength in terms of damage output with a Blood Based weapon? But then you’re also subject to the chance of blood resistance negating that, or even facing enemies that don’t bleed.
@@phynamite9 exactly! I used to run 2 Reduvia's who each had 97ish bleed woth my 60 Arcane stat, they did respectable damage too. Procced bleed REALLY quickly, but sadly.when faced with an enemy that doesnt bleed (especially if its a boss) sadly you are left with very little options, because daggers obviously have bad range. Sadly most arcane weapons are bugged and dont have proper stat scaling at the moment. However bleed builds are still super fun!
Great experiment, enough data, self-evident conclusion. Thank you.
One thing to note about the giant sleeping mama dragon is that it's likely her status gauges don't drain, unlike most enemies and bosses.
I enjoyed the video, thanks for the explanations! I appreciate that there are people out there willing to do those tests for us to see the results :D
I noticed the volume was a bit too low on the video. You might want to look into it, see if you can boost it higher. Another thing I would love to see are maybe tables to illustrate the examples you gave in the first third of the video (character was immobile). Being a visual learner, I feel like I can understand numbers better when I can see them while they are being discussed.
Keep up the good work, subscribing to see more!
thanks for the insight and kind words!
Excellent video and combing through the comments fine tunes some things you might have missed. Job well done overall
Thank you. This clarifies up somethings for me and helped quite a bit with my choices!
You should note that the weapon only needs to have arcane scaling, so for example if you have a innate bleed weapon like the uchigatana and then infuse it with arcane it will increase its bleed buildup in addition to increasing its damage by a fair bit, so using bleed affinity isn't needed.
I for example am running a arcane build with base reqs and 22 faith and 45 arcane and im using 2 scavengers curved swords with occult affinity and the seppuku weapon art and those deal some good base damage aswell as some crazy buildup
Edit: i do not know if the bleed damage itself increases from the occult infusion my guess would be no since there was something similar in Dark Souls 3 from memory
Did you need ng+ to get both of those swords?
@@jeremyreplenish i had a friend trade me one of his otherwise you probably need ng+ or maybe you could use a blood infused curved sword in the other hand but 2 scavengers curved swords are optimal
You say 'infuse it with arcane', 'so using bleed affinity isn't needed' - how can you get a weapon to scale with arcane (which I imagine is what you mean by infuse it with arcane), without using bleed affinity?
@@alexharrison2743 Occult affinity
@@Felwal115 ooooohhh, have just checked it out and it gives you stronger arcane scaling than bleed does! Thank you so much!
Arcane also scales occult weapons and dragon communion incantations. The dragon breath attacks that is.
The blood will take the remaining health from the target though, it doesn’t just go from 317 down to 266 etc for no reason and it’s based on the % Hp of the target. A higher health target taking an extra let’s say 10% blood dmg could yield 100+ dmg in a single hit which is significant, esp over time on top of faster bleed proc. Combine that in pvp and you see people bleed in 2-3 hits with combo proc for over 1k. The big lesson here is to understand diminishing returns on arcane than anything imo
This is a guess based o how I have seen weapons that have Arc scaling and an innate blood effect in them, example, Reduvia and Eleonora’s.
Arc may not effectively affect the damage associated to it, but the speed in which it builds up, and the amount is a percentage, of course if the enemy is killed with the blood loose then the damage done will be whatever is the remaining health within his pool.
Again… this is a guess based on what I have experienced
My reduvia is doing 51 blood loss are you saying if I upgrade arcane it’s will boost the blood loss numbers?
enemies seem to take more damage on the first hit when they are not aware of you.
thanks for the work on figuring all this out. I wonder if this was changed in the latest patch that fixes some arcane stuff. it's a good idea to mention patch in explainers like this
Thanks brother! It really helped, I’ve gotten to where my bleed setup is not working well on bosses later on in the game cause they are more active🤘🏻😎
Blood loss would be different for different bosses. For example bosses made of crystal or stone you’re not gonna bleed fast but fleshy enemies bleed easy.
You can get raw damage from arcane (through dragon sign or a few specific weapons), so you can use bleed as primary and that as backup. Worst case you just spec something into occult and be a bit worse than a traditional build vs stuff that can't bleed, but still perfectly serviceable in PvE.
finally someone who actually explains how arcane works with bleed
This is probably the best explanation video I’ve seen yet
I think it was clear that your second bleed procs were lower on the pumpkin head enemy because you were taking his health to zero. The damage output won't exceed the amount of health the enemy has, it looked like.
Yeah I'm kinda dumb sorry 😅
@@DeadZpikes no way you're not dumb, I've seen videos of other straight damage types exceeding zero on enemies. Maybe it's just bleed that doesn't work that way?
@@johngleue I believe so 🤔
Can you try the same 4 tests on an enemy with more HP? Maybe try the Greyroll dragon?
3:53
Some weapons have diffeent build up values, are you saying the short dagger will take 16 hits same as the reduvia to initiate the first bleed on a boss? Short dagger has a build up of 38 i think and reduvia has a buildup of 52
I've seen it recommended that if you are running a weapon with inherent bleed then to use the whetblade to also add cold damage on top. That should cover any weaknesses from enemies that aren't susceptible to bleed. So for an example use the Hookclaws with the Bloodhound's Step AoW and add cold to. I've not gotten the whetblade for that yet though so I can't say how effective it really is.
If you are talking about the stomp that produces frost on the ground, that thing obliterates enemy in pve. It is so effective against mobs, knights with shields, and giant sized bosses. I had to unequip it as it was making the game too easy.
I havent done much testing but i did use some cold claws for a few hours while memeing around so i'll share what i found (or at least, observed)
You get a much higher cold buildup but lowers bleed by about half
Both deal % dmg but cold does less, or at least it looks like it
Cold slows down the enemy by a bit and (supposedly) lowers their resistances, i suspect the slow doesnt work on some bosses, most likely main bosses
Overall, frost is something you will proc 1 time while bleed multiple times, due to the bleed lowering over time and you not causing as much bleed, if you arent keeping pressure on the enemy then frost will most likely be a downgrade in terms of dps
@@aggammer3485 The frost is an aoe damage. Bleed you have to actually hit the target multiple times. If you have a mob of enemy coming, you can kill them with bleed one by one, while the frost kills them all with one tap.
Knights with huge poise and shield? No problem with the frost Aoe while using bleed you will take damage trading hits.
Also with some bosses, the fact that you can maintain a distance while dealing 1000+ damage per hit is a huge game changer.
@@michaelting1496 riminder that the original comment is talking about infusing cold with bloodhound's step ash of war which can be done after getting the glintstone whetblade with any normal ash of war, *not* using hoarfrost stomp, its strictly about triggering frost (and bleed since it's talking about claws) from the main attacks
frost is a good combo with bleed because it debuffs the enemy making them more susceptible to damage.
This guy talks to us like a fed up teacher, but I love it 😆
200 dmg because that’s all of the hp he had left. They don’t show you your over damage and I noticed that bleed procs happen faster when your attacks are from behind.
Thank you!
Yeah this game introduce critical hits, for example headshot is a thing in this game
@@renhardhalim It's been a thing since DS1. Can't remember about Demon's Souls.
@@Xenitag0 well, i don't remember about critical hit (headshot) in ds1. I only remember about visceral attack/back stab
@@renhardhalim Hitting an enemy in the head with an arrow did make increased damage but localisation of said damage with other weapons was way less prevalent (mostly due to enemy design)
So arcane only increases blood loss buildup on weapons statted into bleed affinity, but what if you used blood grease to coat your keen weapon? Can arcane potentially effect that?
hmm thats an interesting question
Great question
I prefer to use keen since the grease effect looks cooler.
@@wutais I use keen for that exact reason - to apply incantations and greases to my weapon. Do you know if you can do so if the weapon has an occult affinity?
No. Arcane increases Blood loss, Scarlet Rot, and Poison (maybe Frost too, I have not tried) build up. It doesn't matter if the weapon scales with Arcane or not. Arcane increases your build up rate. Just like Vigor increases your HP and Mind your FP.
If your Weapon scales with Arcane, that only means Arcane will contribute to your damage when hitting enemies with that weapon. Your weapon DOES NOT require Arcane scaling, for arcane to affect your build up. That's like saying you need to wear armour for Vigor to give you more HP.
3:28 seems it just adds 50% more hits required
16 + 8 = 24
24 + 12 = 36
I was dual wielding a pair of hammers with bleed affinity and had 101 bleed buildup on each and with the mimic ashes I was bleeding in just a pair of hits almost all bosses and it was way to easy.
🤣🤣 that's illegal SIEZE YOUR WEAPONS
yeah in some bosses I literally did not saw their attacks I've been watching videos about those bosses just to see all of their movements , that's why I already started another game
From what I've herd from other RUclipsrs that there was a bug that stopped arcane wasn't interacting properly with things that scale with it. It also only effects the number of hits not hp loss.
It's fixed on latest patch
@Dead Zpikes There is one thing you missed. When you use a blood ash of war, the skill damage seems to scale with arcane. I use bloody slash, for example, and normal bleed kills regular enemies while the bloody slash skill has scaled high enough to handle most early and mid bosses with around 930 damage with 30 arcane and 30 dex.
I'll have to check this out!
My blood slash deals about 1,2k with 60 arcane
Great clear info thank you for the video you deserve more info
Ok your weapon that scales blood damage with A,B,C,D,E BECAUSE of both stats and grade, will cause how the bleed works and how the stats take your shield for instance because of the already unigue bleed damage is but when you find diffrent weapons that can inchant bleed on a weapon but also increases with upgrades depending the weapon the bleed will work better and the blood loss damage will increase you just have to find the right weapon
thank you for the important info
I've played through the game with an dex/arcane bleed build dual wielding blood aspected Nagakiba and Uchigatana. Perfectly viable and even advantageous for certain fights. Obviously, other fights not so much as some enemies/bosses are immune to bleed, but the Bloody Slash weapon art can more than make up for it in these fights. Long range, high damage, and only a bit of a wind-up. There's even some bosses that have weak points that are difficult to get at that I can ignore for less vulnerable places that aren't as difficult or dangerous to hit, because bleed stacks regardless of where you hit. It can even stack through shield hits. All of this is on top of the normal weapon damage you'd get from having high Dex and Arcane.
Also, Rivers of Blood has a lower base bleed than even a normal Uchigatana or Nagakiba. I have 30 Arcane and both have ~85 bleed and they aren't even max upgrade yet.
U put alot of effort into this I subbed
What do you think of the quality build instead of pure dex ? I heard that there is a soft cap for attribute at 60.
Also wouldn't it have more dps for weapon with let's say with str/dex both with B scaling and attribute of both 50 compare to str 20 and dex 80 for weapon with str (E) and dex (A) ?
Depends actually there are ranges of each letter a high A would be better then a double B
Thank you for the demonstration! Any idea if Blood Grease stacks with Seppuku?
8:50 is interesting 2nd bleed also only took 3 hits, it didn't go up, maybe there is a minimum number of hits? Since the buildup is so high. Also it seems like bleed is hardcapped at 50% damage on normal enemies and probably like 15% on boss. The damage was the same from 57>74 50% on both. While 50>57% was 33% and 50% respectively.
I'm just curious on why it went from 50%-33% on the same weapon
@@DeadZpikes You mean those 33% 2nd procs? I think that's because blood loss can't deal overkill damage like a hit. From my experience, the bleed will deal whatever they have left (if it's less than the bleed %) plus your hit.
@@ian2714 but it looked like flat 200 I will have to play more...
@@DeadZpikes I think that's because the enemy has a solid 600 and your hits happen to be adding up to pretty round numbers, and by the 2nd proc he's at like exactly 30-35%. 7:45 for example you're hitting 15, the bleed procs 237, so you bled the last 222 + 15 hit totaling a displayed 237.
*just put Blood affinity on dual wield and you can proc it much faster. Preferred duel wield Nagakiba with Blood affinity each sword have a (115) blood build up with a combined 230 point when two sword hit or combined with Cold affinity and you can have both Cold and Blood on the same sword for twice the pain when they both proc but Blood is better than Chill affinity since it just does more damage then cold when it proc. Tested out on the rune bear so many times and ended up going with Blood on both sword.*
change to occult affinity and respec into arcane over dex, blood loss build up will scale harder with the arcane, and that same damage scaling will be added to the weapons damage
Of coarse if it has a parameter bonus in arcane it will scale more damage.
It affects weapons with arcane scaling, of course if a weapon has bleed build up but doesn't have an arcane scaling stat, it will not level with arcane.
i made a fire/bleed build is OP, and it works
arcane is just like strenght or dex a modifier for your weapons scaling. if you can find a weapon with rly good A arcane scaling. you'd level arcane instead of str or dex. For example. Dragon communion seal levels with arcane. Other Seals level with faith. This the dmg you deal off of your incarnations would be directly bound to your arcane. I think bleed dex weapons with high arcane scaling and maybe a few scarlet rot incarnations and dragon incarnations can be very strong . just as strong as we know that magic is. I mean. has anyone rly tried going 60 arcane and a fully leveled dragon seal and cast fire breath on a boss just to see how much it will melt them ? ^^
Thank you for testing this, but you may have specced the wrong affinity on the weapon. I believe Occult affinity scales to Arcane, not Build affinity. A bit confusing I know, but maybe you can re-test.
50 dexterity with full upgraded ugi katanas is OP
Bleed does a % of boss's health. All arcane does is, helps proc it faster. Pumping dex just does more dmg every hit and that's it.
Its up to u which way u wanna go.
Nice test, but i think you got the wrong assumption with arcane. Let me explain.
Test No1 was 224 dmg, with 8 arcane on character, and the shield had no attribute scaling on arcane.
Test No2 was 251 dmg, with 99 arcane on character, and the shield had no attribute scaling with arcane.
Test No3 was 314 dmg, with 8 arcane on character, and the shield had attribute scaling "D" on arcane.
Test No4 was 327 dmg, with 99 arcane on character, and the shield had attribute scaling "D" on arcane.
I'm counting only 1st proc, cause every time you had the 2nd proc the enemy didnt have enough HP left to show a greater number. It was dying with second bleed proc.
The actual blood loss from each 1st proc was not the same. Between test 1-3 and 2-4, It was almost 100 more dmg with a D attribute scaling shield, on a 600hp max health enemy its a big difference.
So, not only higher number to proc bleed on passives, but if it was a weapon/shield upgraded enough to scale arcane with something higher, like A or maybe S, on arcane it would do way more dmg per bleed proc. So, if someone wants higher bleed numbers, they should try for a high scaling, arcane attribute bleed weapon. Dex and Str scaling weapons, are only raising the pure dmg per hit.
Great video, thanks for your time spending to make it, really helped to understand a bit more on the game mechanics !
P.S. I'm not suggesting to invest heavy on arcane on a character just for bleed, cause Its true that if you fight something that does not bleed, you need another weapon to kill it, and those points in arcane would be worthless when fighting that other enemy....
Check out my seppukku video!
Just did ! Very detailed !! Seppukku is indeed op for bleeding with katanas! Too bad the pure arcane scaling is just "D" even in +25.
Did you by any chance try any other higher arcane scaling weapons like Whip/dagger/fist/claw, to see the difference in pure bleed damage ?
@@brutalspeedster8090 I did not
It only took you three hits the second time you did blood loss when you had a 99 arcane and a blood shield. The higher blood loss makes up for the second and third blood buildup thresholds increasing.
you can use bleed as your main source using 2 giant crushers and still do a lot of damage but I use to occult crushers to get even more damage
Well that was quick. I was waiting for people dissecting the game and the mechanics a month from release.
Arcane increases the damage dealt on certain weapons with bleed
I'm currently duel wielding and power stancing two bleed affinity blades which do 90 bleed build up a piece.
When I power stance, does the buildup go up by 180 or by 90? I've been testing on mohgwyn as the fextralife wiki says he's weak to bleed which is probably wrong.
It is nice to know that the required hits for bleed goes up so I know what to expect when I try and go serious on him.
Sounds like it's a 1.5x increase each time a blood loss occurs
So arcane only effects bleed if the bleed weapon scales with arcane.
Great video. I’m running keen hookclaws and pumping dex. Was not sure how to best optimize this. Have not tried bloodflame incantation with it.
The perfect video I need
It literally explains this on the wiki. On ALL ENEMIES NOT BOSSES, it does 15% max hp PLUS 100 to 200 dmg. So the depreciation is just the percentage kicking in.
very intresting discovery indeed. i was trying to make a mixed bleed/faith build which grant me to use different weapon. i use dragon communion seal for the incantation scaling base on arc/faith.
now i see the higher arcane is only effect on how fast cause the bleed build up yet lost some flat damage scaling on dex/str. i think i would still go on build rather high arcane to scale incantation with my dragon seal and 30-40 faith to grants me some access for spells i remember put blood and occult affinity could force normale weapon scale with arc too.
@Dead Zpikes For testing why not go to the stagnant dragon in Caelid? That's where I go. After the debuff he inflicts you'll have stabilized hitting with no attacks dealt to you.
Did you notice you only had to hit him 3 times eash for bloodloss to happen thoe? guess thats pretty good if you go for a blood build. stack alot into arcane! more bleed happens!
If a weapon does 50 points of bleed buildup, how many times do you need to hit the enemy before it takes the large damage hit?
Really depends on the enemy. Everyone has a different amount of resistance to it, so the more the better
@@dusathemaid but some weapons hit faster, so maybe the average hits per second multiplied by the bleed value is a better metric...
I love the tone, it's like justice ;)
when you do the last hit it doesn’t say the full damage because they died. i’ve tested it. to get a more accurate test hit first bleed then full kill and respawn and try again
Ye I'm kinda dumb sometimes sorry
@@DeadZpikes no problem. just for any future tests be sure they have enough health for a 2nd hit
Is there any evidence that crit percentage effects the bleed damage? Or thay crits apply more or less bleed or if you bleed on crit will it do more damage?
Proper Bleed build = Occult affinities + high Arcane(up to 80)/min weapon reqs, and it's disgusting. Add Seppuku and Lord of Blood's Exultation to take it over the edge
4:51 how did he know the bleed meter was about to be full at that point? Just from previous tests or is there a visual indicator?
Previous tests
also if you have a lot of arcane, you can use occult which is much better scalling for arcane, but get's rid of bleed. like on my character I have 81 arcane and if bleed doesn't work occult does. Also, highly recommend bloody slash, it maintains an amount of damage given and since bleed doesn't affect the skill, i just change it to occult.
also corpse piler is stupid good.
I tested this for hours as well I can confirm Arcane increases bleed proc speed and the breakpoint is 31 Arcane. It also increases the damage done by Rivers of Blood Bleed damage. This was in pvp on a test dummy. The bleed procs were higher with higher arcane
What is your rivers of blood bloodloss build up right now?
@@renhardhalim it depends on the enemies resistance to bleed. However the weapon art damage does not scale but attack damage does increase with arcane but does not always increase with each level up:There are breakpoints:31 Arcane is a breakpoint that allowed even my lowest level character to achieve a bleed against naked level 60 character in 2 slashes. The bleed proc damage is also increased with higher arcane.
Could you do more on things like madness, poison, death, and scarlet rot? If you already did I am about to check out your channel after this video
Sure!
@@DeadZpikes thanks so much! The videos are very interesting and informative, so I hope they also draw in a lot of viewers
I felt like this was the case. I been using a Uchi with with the blood affinity but, I put points into Dex for damage and points into arcane just to speed up the bleed-rate. I keep hearing ppl say, "weapon-damage isn't scaling with arcane on weapons, unless it had arcane scaling on it by default because it's bugged".
Nice video. Cheers~
This is already old but arcane literally has no scaling on split damage weapons, like the weapon loses all scaling entirely from all stats if its split and arcane.
@@zekedelsken9963 just used a couple larval tears tonight to test this out with uchigatana. 60 dex with 12 arc did 85 bleed buildup. 60 dex with 40 arc bumped the bleed up to 110. Made a noticeable difference on mid tier enemies.
@@Mr_Swinks yeah they also fixed scaling and made arcane the best stat in the game
How do you get rid of the Cause of blood loss build up so I can put Blood flame blade on my sword
Stupid question: At 2:45 you say it takes 16 hits for the first bleed damage to occur (with an Uchigatana). But in your video you show it takes only like 4 hits - with a shield that basically has the same buildup (45 vs 50).
Does it really take 16 hits with the Uchigatana for the bleed damage to proc or did I misunderstood? Because I'm thinking about getting the weapon or not.
Bro arcane doesn’t effect the amount of damage done to enemies that is set based on their health. The arcane stat effects how many hits it takes before the blood damage will proc. The higher the stat the less amount of hits it takes. That’s why most blood builds are Dex/Arcane builds.
my arcane is almost 30 and I use ghizas wheel
@@MercilessJoey mine is around 77 and I switch between using Rivers of Blood and my Uchigatana.
So... you didnt notice on the last one that your first bloodnand second blood only took 3 hits each?
I wish I was this dedicated to my studys
Thank you sir for your research!
So… having a bleed melee weapon and having a bleed shield won’t stack bleed attack, right?
Wonder if this will change when they actually patch Arcane to work properly…
Appreciate your effort 👌🏽
Guys I have a question can you increase frost damage and with which stat?
Do you know if the Marred Leather Shield causes blood loss build up when blocking an enemy with it?
I don’t understand this, I thought a blood meter build up would show up on the screen like when it enemies do it to me. So how do I actually know if I’m causing bleed, can someone explain it to me?
What does the number next to the hemorrhage in the weapon. What does that stat mean? 50 on the shield at the beginning.
All the debuffs take longer to apply each time.
My current build is a straight sword with bleed. Would dual wielding build up bleed faster?
I will definitely trust you if, you’re the first video I see after I search, and especially if you throw out random figures, and for damn sure if you pull up a chart🤣🤣🤣 thanks for the great video, and I’ll keep R1/L2 spamming my Rivers of Blood🤣
So my question is, if I'm using dual Reduvia's for the bleed should I spec dex, arcane, or both? And if both, what ratio? Thanks in advance.
Looking at some other comments it seems like you should go around 30 arcane and the rest dex?