Blindly Trusting Steam Reviews is FOOLISH | Tactics Ogre Reborn
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I got tactics oger reborn because of you and I never had an issue with the cards. I thought it was a nice way to make it unique out of the huge amounts of tactics games recently
Man this game is amazing and I'm glad creators like you are championing it. 🎉
Hey man, appreciate the video. I like what you said, and since you invited it, I'll go ahead and speak as a person who reads Steam reviews. Since I also write a lot of them, I feel like it only makes sense for me to defend them a bit.
For a start, while bad Steam reviews can really hurt a game, good Steam reviews can launch it into new levels of success. So it has pros and cons in that respect. Steam reviews can also serve as a bit of a taste test, giving you a sense of how people are feeling about the game before you commit to it yourself. I recommend actually reading negative reviews, of course, since a lot of times people make hyper specific complaints, usually about performance, which will be resolved later and are not reflective of the game's actual quality. This might be what you were referring to with Crimson Tactics.
As for Tactics Ogre, I completely understand the negative reviews you highlighted, and as a person who never played the original and only started with this remake, I have to confess that I wasn't impressed. I've played similar tactical RPGs, and Tactics Ogre Reborn was near the bottom of my list of them. So for me, the current Steam reviews are totally reflective of my experience, not because I'm an "old head", but because I played the game myself and didn't like it.
Like you, I advocate for greater nuance and thoughtfulness in examining reviews. Actually read the points and see if they resonate with you. But in that respect, I do genuinely think that Steam reviews can be a useful tool for informing one's own opinion. Not the end-all be-all, but useful.
However, my true preference is for games to have demos! More demos, people! Then everyone can just try the game out for themselves to see if they like it!
Anyway, thanks for the video, and have a great one.
Thanks for bringing attention to this. It makes me sad how bad reviews this one got.
Matsuno games are usually appreciated 10 years after it's released and everyone starts to understands whats why. Give it time for this one aswell. I'm sure "Union level system is actually amazing!!!" videos will pop up one day.
You won’t have to wait 10 years for this one, I’ll give a year, tops. 😉
Yeah I really like union level personally.
I think most of the haters just hate how you can't power level any more. I think it's brilliant, over leveling is what kills most Trpgs. I like that in Reborn, I have to build teams that synergize well with each other like a NFL football team, rather than the usual Trpg Fire Emblem tactic of over leveling 1 or 3 characters who steam roll the entire game.
Always glad to hear more voices that actually play these games backing this point!
I'm glad you agree! It's endlessly frustrating seeing games treated unfairly due to a snap decision based on a quick glance at review scores, especially when they're incredibly strong titles like TOR.
I'm almost with the guy about the cards, i just wish they didn't contrast with the beautiful pixel environments so much and the green ones feel pointless. But hey game is still #1 TRPG and I'm glad to see you're making more videos on it 🗣
I'm not a fan of RNG mechanics so the cards were hit and miss. Hit being they were out of the way and miss being, they spawned in front of the enemy. Then I realised warriors with breach and archers are overpowered so cards never mattered.
I do have some complaints about the game, like I do wish there was a bit more customisation options withing the same class as they do end up feeling very same, and I'm still mad about the exclusion of the rogue class... but overall I'd say TO is still one of the best SRPGs ever made.
I read them to know if there's any game breaking bugs. With the cost of some games being over 70 dollars, you have to be cautious.
I left a one star review for Pathfinder Kingmaker on XBox. Not because I hated the game, loved it on PC. But because the port was broken and Owlcat lost the rights to the port, meaning the port will never be patched. That's why I keep checking reviews.
Let's plays are also a new and useful why to decide on a game. The two combined help people be informed on a possible large investment of time and money.
I would have let the negative reviews dissuade me. But you single handedly convinced me to give this game a try. I will probably pick it up now that it's part of steam summer sale. You're doing great work man
Fingers crossed that you enjoy it as much as me!
I just started playing Tactics Ogre last weekend. I loved the idea of putting level caps that adjust as you see more of the story. It's the game telling you that you are ready for what's to come. You just need to use appropriate tactics. One thing I hated with FF Tactics is that I never knew when I was ready for the story battles. I tried grinding and gaining as much EXP and JP. But every time I get slapped down by the next big encounter.
to be fair crimson tactics is actually fairly unpolished and also it didnt end properly and were going to have to buy another 40$ game.
The first title by indie devs is almost never perfectly polished, and the idea of sequels literally exists, so I don't buy either of these arguments.
@@TitaniumLegman "It's their first title" isn't a good excuse. Game development isn't a charity. $30 is $30, and if someone spends $30 on a product they no longer feel is worth $30, they should absolutely speak up about it. Besides, looking up the situation myself, the idea of requiring sequels wasn't even the plan to begin with. It released for $30 in early access with the plan of being fully finished later, but the creators changed their mind and decided that, actually, it WAS complete and the rest of the story should be told in sequels. A lot of people spent $30 under the impression that they were getting the entire thing, which they now aren't. It's another Early Access game that took people's money and then never delivered on the things it promised, and games like that tend to rightfully end up with a lot of negative reviews.
@@Bogeynator Literally none of this is correct beyond the fact that their dev pipeline changed. I'm not sorry to say I defined indie devs, especially ones tackling their first projects, and that won't change. The fact remains that CT has a ton going for it, but people refuse to see past the devs plans having to change. If they had never stated any goals, and put the product out as is after those plans changed, it wouldn't be an issue for any of you. Things get cut and changed during dev cycles all the time, just the way it is.
@@TitaniumLegman Most of my library is indie games as well, but indie games are still games, and games cost money. There are expectations they have to meet, and if they don't meet them, that can be reason enough for a negative review. I'm not saying it's a bad game. I haven't played it. It's probably fine. But the bottom line is that people paid for one thing and got a different, inferior thing instead.
If they never stated any goals and put the product out as it is after those plans changed, then yes, it wouldn't be an issue for a lot of people. In that case, people would have known exactly what they were buying before they bought it. For a lot of people, though, that wasn't the case, and they're understandably upset about it.
@TitaniumLegman You are free not to buy those arguments the same way the people who left negative Steam reviews are free not to buy the lack of polish.
If they release an unpolished product they should charge accordingly, which is definitely not 40 bucks for a 20 year old game, although in this particular case I have no complaints because I didn't buy it full price.
Thanks for saying something that’s been on my mind for a few years now. People need to stop blindly trusting Steam reviews-and your mention of review bombing is part of that.
It is ridiculous.
Absolutely. Just because someone says something a stream review (even if it's their opinion on why they do or don't like the game, which is a fair and valid thing to say) doesn't mean it's a good REVIEW or is indicative of the game's quality. Yet so many people treat Steam reviews like like the God Emperor of Holy Terra himself descended from his Golden Throne to pass them on to the unwashed masses for our elucidation. It's obnoxious.
Hey Titanium! Thanks for posting this video.
To be honest - I loved TacticsOgre Reborn - was playing along with your playthrough when you picked the game up, really enjoying it. Then the final boss completely killed my experience so much so that I swore it off as bad. The frustration was so intense, I must have tried at least 100 times to beat that darn fight. I've only recently picked it back up by starting a new game entirely.
Then - I saw Crimson Tactics on Steam because it's on sale and nearly picked it up until I saw the Mixed reviews. For me, I've used Steam reviews as a way to learn about bugs or things that don't work as you'd expect them to (game or experience breaking things). The ratio isn't as important to me as the comments themselves, if that makes sense. I think that I will check out your Crimson Tactics series on your channel and see if I want to pick it up after what you said about it here in this video!
Cheers
No problem, thanks for watching Trokthar! If you ever want/need help with the final boss, feel free to ask me, or you can hit up the Tactics Ogre channel in my Disord and get help there. Best of luck tackling your new playthrough! Also, if you check out CT, I hope that you enjoy that as well. I really do enjoy it; it's an indie title for sure and you can feel it, but it has so much going on that I love.
Wow thanks for the reply! I did pick up CT after watching a couple of your VODs, I knew I'd enjoy it and I do.
Hope you're having a great Thanksgiving!
I needed this review. I've had it in my wishlist for forever, and I've been vacillating on whether or not to pull the trigger. I want to explore tactical RPGs more deeply, and it wasn't clear if this was this was worth the money. I'll give it a chance.
Im 40 hours in and the game is awesome. But be prepared there are some hard fights.
That's really shocking to see TOR's recent reviews at Mixed, but then looking at the number next to it, it seems like it's just an extremely small amount of people with different personal opinions. If they feel like the gameplay has changed too much on a fundamental level that it's soured their experience compared to the original, that's valid. Some people still hate the smoothed out look of the sprites and I think that's fine to feel that way too. Of course that's going to affect how Steam's algorithm presents the overall "score" but in a few months the recent reviews will probably have those phased out and go back to normal.
I think the biggest advantage of Steam reviews is that it's public. It's unfiltered reviews from the customers with a number right next to it of how many hours they have played the game for. It's not professional dishonest reviews from a publication that might have some big conglomerate backing it. People are allowed to say exactly how they feel where professional reviews wouldn't. But that's also kind of the downside, is that people can say ANYTHING no matter how fair or unfair it might seem to the creators.
Really you just have to trust your own judgement and maybe do some research and what those reviews are actually saying, like in this video here. A lot of people see "Mostly Negative" on the Steam page or a social media post and assume there's some kind of problem with the game, but the only way to find out is to actually see for yourself. There will always be the question of reviewing the game as a piece of art vs reviewing it as a product, where the game itself might be fine but there are still some poor business practices behind it. You could have the best shooter in the world but with the most greedy microtransactions known to man. It's the same as Metacritic scores, an average number doesn't say nearly enough.
My biggest issue with TOR is that even the overall reviews are only 74% positive. To me, not liking a changed mechanic is not a valid reason to pan the entire product. Especially when TOR does everything it set out to, and more.
@@TitaniumLegman I think where their line of thinking comes from is that the original still exists. So in their eyes they'd recommend that title instead purely based on preferring that style of gameplay. Not that I necessarily agree, just playing devil's advocate. I know I've felt about that with games before though. Off the top of my head the remake of Demon's Souls, while having several gameplay improvements, is a far inferior product overall in my view. Not that I think the game is bad, but I'd also recommend not to play it and to just pick up the original. TOR still offers plenty with its fully voice acted story and other gameplay tweaks, it really is like the definitive version of the game, so I see where you're coming from.
I never blindly trust if im interest in a game and reviews say mixed or worst I would read it why and then decide what to do. But I think yes devs decision should affect steam reviews like removing content,broken promises,tecnical problems that were never fixed,new monetization methods(even more when they just changed their mind after the release of a paid product) and etc.
Remasters/Remakes I dont mind people talking the changes they dont like either they brought the product because they like the original so they should give their opinions as well but in the end I like the steam reviews/costumer reviews there is a reason why I dont use Epic Game Store and I have mix feelings with game journalists reviews.
Excuse me, i was curious what tactics like games you would recommend with strong spell casters that can do cool area of affect nukes? I recently played triangle strategy and found i really like games like that and my favorite characters in that were the mages so I'm itching for more magical destruction. I've been debating tactics ogre reborn, but i heard casters are mostly just utility and debuffs in that game.
Oh no no no my friend, casters are some of the strongest units in the game in terms of pure damage in TOR. That's an excellent choice. Final fantasy tactics also has excellent casters, as does Baldurs Gate 3 if you haven't toyed with, that yet.
@@TitaniumLegman Thanks for clearing that up for me. I absolutely loved bg3 and played it as a storm sorcerer. im pretty tempted by tactics ogre reborn with the sale, but am not sure where to get final fantasy tactics.
@@Twilight5007 nowadays if you don't have a PSP, there's actually a very very good mobile port that I recommend for FFT
@@TitaniumLegman Thanks, which would you recommend first between tactics ogre and that?
I like Tactics Reborn but I did not finish it. Yet. I agree with some of the complaints. Let me level my squad as I see fit. Instead I grind multiple units in case the next battle calls for someone that fell behind. The cards I could do without. It’s just more turns before action starts and characters with high mobility benefit. I don’t think these things ruin the game but I don’t think they add value either.
Another gripe about the levels. If I beat a boss I want that XP. Instead I need to go grind mock battles to be the suggested level for the next fight. It’s bad pacing. The items aren’t a good alternative in my opinion. Again, I like the game.
That's not a comparison I ever expected to see but god DAMN if it ain't accurate.
@@TitaniumLegman can’t stress how much I like that game haha the only reason I haven’t picked my save up in a while is I want a character and don’t want to miss it. I’ve forgotten who it is and how to get them 😂
NUANCE is something Steam reviews, for a VERY LARGE part, are lacking and have always been lacking, so no surprises there. That said, I see someone supporting TO, I hit Like and support the algorithm. I'm a simple guy.
I'm going with the Steam reviews. People will leave positive or negative reviews for many reasons and that is their right. Some people will also change their review if a update to the game left a positive or negative effect towards the player. The reviews that leave a detailed paragraph of info are the real gold nuggets to determine if you are on the edge of purchasing a game.
I played both older versions and just got the switch copy, I thought the buff cards were very weird at first... but after a while it grows on you, a lot. Makes it way more fun when a curve ball gets thrown at you. 🤷
This may sound weird but I believe that when most gamers including myself are satisfied with the product they bought they don't leave a review. So when they see a game get bombed by bad reviews they might think, wow people care that much about the game to even leave a review let alone a bad one. A couple things happen there with this mindset. Most games on steam are reviewed by like 80+% of the haters and like maybe only like 10-20% of the people who liked the game and or are satisfied. This skew makes some games, especially remakes not accurate with the steam reviews. The second thing that happens here, and I'll admit I've had this experience is the laymans gamer leaves the reviewing to the people who really care about the games, like I said the average person doesn't leave a review and they see that if the opinionated hardcore fans are hating on it, it must be for a good reason. I agree with you in the fact that the best way to learn if you'll like the game is to watch some gameplay and commentary on it. I would have never bought a strategy rpg if it wasn't for your channel. Keep up the good work.
I loved FF Tactics and was worried about TOR because of these reviews you've mentioned, but I'm having so much fun!
*Spoiler alert*
I just saved Catiua from Lancelot in Chapter 4, but I find it odd that some people complain about the level cap and the bosses with 4 buff cards.
I feel like people forget how the player has such an unfair advantage over the enemy in this game.
The ability to scout, enemy units not reviving, most enemies don't have finishing moves, +1 crafted equipment, having 4 slots for all of the BROKEN items like mending essense and buff/debuff items, and overall weak enemy AI.
I feel like the game would be way too easy if you were able to level up past the enemy...
FF Tactics actually had this exact problem, because the enemy levels were fixed during the story battles which made them too easy if you did too many random battles.
True that. There are some people who throw out 'Not Recommended' for stupid reasons. These people usually fall into two camps, ironically. 1) Hardly any time spent in the game. 2) Many, many hours sunk into the game.
Tactics Ogre is a fantastic game, but the artificial level cap hurts the gameplay experience. There are specific missions that end up harder then they should be simply because the cap leaves you 2 levels behind which makes a big difference on the rng.
Can you provide examples of missions that are "harder than they should be" due to an inability to grind?
Just as you're entitled to this opinion, I couldn't disagree more; the union cap means you have to use strategy in a tactics game to win--you can't just overlevel content and brute force it down. If that's the way you enjoy games, that's totally fine, but as someone who enjoys a degree of difficulty and the need to utilize a game's mechanics, I never thought the level balance was poor.
Oo, if you think being 2 levels behind then wait until CODA 4 lol. You end up like 20 levels behind but still able to win with some strategy
Sad to hear. Dude I am so glad a stumbled across coffee pots vids on Reborn. That game has changed my whole view on tatcal games in general. Reborn is a crazy good game it actually have to use tactics and have a plan to be successful instead of just throughing raw numbers at the problem. Those negative comments are dumb.
Personally for me what turned me away from Crimson Tactics was the art style and animation, something about it just feels off and wrong to me, I could be slightly biased because i'm used to HD sprite quality from stuff like Disgaea 4 and 5, and games like Blazblue, and things like vanillaware games doing 2d character model animations really well.
I always watch gameplay for main estimate if I like the game. I might read reviews because sometimes it is just " game wont start" or " characters sexuality was green woolshirt, my life is ruined".
My criteria for considering a steam game is if the game page has gameplay videos and images.
I won’t ever consider buying a game if the game page only has gorgeous cinematic trailers.
Thank you for the public service.
The suspect reviews is why I'm here... but now I'm looking at crimson tactics too. lol
Completely agree. Have never trusted Steam reviews - realised the inherent flaw in the system very early on. Surprised to learn actually that people seem to put so much faith in them. I use a combination of meta aggregate scores (esp focusing on reviews that match the overall aggregate score), gameplay videos and a "patient gamer" approach to give time for new releases to work out their kinks etc. Still happy to support indie developers earlier on / in early access but I take responsibility for the presence of flaws that exist that I don't like. Fully appreciate the love and dedication that goes into making these fabulous creations, ESPECIALLY for the independent developers. They are human beings, with lives, family to support and mortgages to pay. Think carefully before you potentially trash their careers.
Can any one list their trusted reviewers please
After doing a lot of video reviews myself and comparing my reviews to 'big outlets', I've stopped trusting most reviews. Many folks will give high marks for games that have some bad bugs and not even mention those bugs (likely to stay on good terms with the publisher who's providing review codes), or provide poor reviews because they aren't good that that kind of game. As you mentioned, many folks like to complain and provide low scores on many games because they just aren't as good at a game as they thought they were without taking advantage of certain mechanics.
I've been debating on picking this up for Switch. I've played through Ogre Battle, Ogre Battle 64, and Tactics Ogre for GBA. All were great games. It took me a while to get used to Ogre Tactics compared to Ogre Battle, but I still enjoyed it. I even picked up Final Fantasy Tactics for GBA and put over 200 hours into it back in the day.
Tactics Ogre Reborn is fantastic for old me who has limited time but the PSP Lets Cling Together edition is superior if you are a hardcore tinkerer/min max nut. I think the review bombing of Crimson Tactics was from a large sub section of KS/EA backers who feel they were ripped off or lied to by the developers. I may check it out though from your recommendation since I'm inclined to forgive a certain amount of jank in indie titles if the core gameplay is solid.
It's good to notice that "mixed" tag and do a little research if you're interested in buying a game, I don't think I've ever seen it and disregarded the game without doing a little digging. The reason steam reviews are poor can range from real problems to snort-inducing political pettiness between players and devs dragged in from twitter. The reviews are a tool for discussion and can sometimes save you from buying the wrong game. I think that stopping at seeing the word "Mixed" at the top of a page of a game you have interest in would be a mistake, though.
50$ for an inferior version of the game ? no thanks lmao. i hope they didnt shit the bed with FFT
Inferior lule, nice try.
While I did enjoy TO:R, I did find the bosses to be a big challenge initially. For someone without extensive SRPG experience, it was definitely a major roadblock in my enjoyment of the game
That's why play time is important to look at
My favorite games/movies are all 6-7 out of 10 in their reviews so I've never put too much stock in "review numbers" and I instead read the text of the reviews to see what people actually like/take issue with in a game. It's a normal and natural approach to put less weight on the numbers and more weight on the product. In general I look at steam reviews as saying "is this product worth the current asking price"
This point is pretty much why I'm so damn annoyed that demos have become such a rarity these days. If people don't have a way to get an actual impression of a game other than videos and reviews, they're going to get misled.
As an old head of this game that has 2k hours in Reborn I can tell you that most people who play tactical rpgs....don't actually use tactics lol. This is DAH BEST tactical rpg. (Maybe Unicorn Overlord might change that /shrug). People were mostly just salty about the level cap and not being able to grind out various skill levels (like the psp version) that would make their army into something op. The irony is that Reborn actually cut the fat on a ton of completely redundant content, while giving you even better options for building op units. It's really telling about what kind of community this kind of game tends to really have.
I don't like the level cap either but i have a brain and can make new strategies. I just like to be god fast. That being said this game is a masterpiece and the best way to play TO today.
As a new player (only a week with the game) i was hesitant on getting tactics orge because of those comments/reviews on RUclips (i got the game on the switch) and saw a lot of people complaining about the cards and level caps. It was easy to tell these were mostly nostalgia grievances, with some substance, but it did feel like they were wildly exaggerated.
I read the steam reviews then I find a walkthrough on RUclips and watch the first hour. If it can't keep my attention for the hour it fails.
The problem is more naunce situation where folks don't want to think. And well I'm afraid to say this. That kinda how the cookie crumbles, we live in society where folks feel less inclined to use critical thinking.
Review were never ment to be the end all be all references. Personally when I see steam. Review, positive or negative i still take the time to look are what people say and take them with some grain of salt. Even more I still step outside of steam review and look up publication and what video review are out on RUclips.
As a consumer it's kinda your job to verify information. In this age it's becoming more apparent that sources for info is...well not always credible or operated in good faith. Look how rotten tomatoes have disparity between critics and audience review. And that should be no different from games.
yea i still havent bought as not sure with reviews and also how big the game maybe... cheap now so i may do
when the bad reviews were flashed on the screen 1:08 they talked about marketing decisions in which the devs decided to release on part of a game and another that stated that they had crashes. these are good reasons for bad reviews and you didn't address these. when you did address bad reviews 2:50 you didn't bother to sort the recent reviews (the ones that were 'mixed') by bad reviews to show those. you read one from the recent reviews (right side of the screen) and one from the slightly older reviews that typically aren't included in the recent reviews. this means that you read one bad review and used that to judge all bad reviews. the algorithm for showing reviews is weighted towards positive reviews so unless you tell Steam to show you the bad reviews you won't get a good look at why people down voted the game.
i like the genre, don't own these games, and didn't review them so i am pretty neutral to the subject, and yes sometimes games get review bombed (either positively or negatively) but you argued your case poorly and didn't seem to know how to work Steam to dig into why they were rated poorly.
EDIT:
I went ahead and took a look at the Steam reviews for Tactics Ogre Reborn, here is the 'most helpful' of the negative reviews:
"That Steam description is no lie: Tactics Ogre is one of the crown jewels of the tactical role-playing genre. And Reborn does introduce changes that improve upon the PSP release and would push the game towards greatness. Unfortunately, so many other changes of the game mechanics in the name of streamlining and game balance make this a worse experience than the PSP version.
The Good Parts:
- Speedup feature is king, as always
- New crafting is free of all hassles, fast and efficient (game will straight up buy missing materials for you to avoid having to make a checklist, it’s great. This is one of two changes I wanted for a remaster/rerelease.)
- Voice acting is actually pretty good! The main trio of Denam, Vyce and Catiua are really solid imo. Leave it to Square Enix to upload the worst lines from the game (the infamous Lanselot Tartaros clip) in an attempt to sabotage the game pre-release.
- Replacing the class-wide level system with a unit-by-unit level system like your average SRPG. The other change I wanted Reborn to have. No more getting a new character only to have to grind him for 20 levels to catch up with the rest of the main party.
- Being able to see the trajectory of missile spells and arrows automatically sir yes sir oorah
- Scout feature letting you actually see the battlefield and prepare accordingly is a godsend
- Mouse and keyboard controls actually work really well what the heck
The Mixed:
- The removal of random encounters, which were replaced with training. On one hand, no more random encounters means you don’t have to save and reload when you just wanna head from one place to the next on the map. On the other hand, this means you only have dungeons like the Phorampa Wildwood or the Pirate’s Graveyard to get money (which becomes irrelevant once you get the Baldur’s Blowgun recipe), recruit special races like lizardmen, dragons, etc. or correct your Chaos Frame because of course, which is only unlockable around chapter 2.
- The Union Level cap, which is how the game caps your party’s max levels according to where you are in the story. Now, there have been complaints about the Union cap, but I don’t think it’s a bad idea in theory. It serves to control the levels and stat bloat of not only your party members, but that of the enemies as well, which prevents you from growing overpowered, and were this the PSP release, it would reinforce the idea that equipment and skills are the difference makers, not simply being 10 levels above the enemy ranks. In practice is where the Union level falls apart. For one, it’s too restrictive: the cap is tied to the plot, but it increases in increments of 2 or 3 for every 4 or 5 battles. This means you’ll quickly hit your cap, waste potential experience and all the while, the enemies KEEP leveling ahead of you. Two, what I said about the Union level being a prime opportunity for skill mixing and customization? Well…
The Bad:
- The skill system was ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ gutted. For one, skill points are gone; skills are merely obtained through leveling, which, again, is capped. Second, all characters are now limited to 4 skill slots (and since you’ll always want your weapon skill equipped to be able to use finishers, this realistically leaves you with 3 skills). Finally, skills do NOT carry over from class to class (with one exception that’s unique to one character). I can’t stress enough how awful this is. Skills like Counterattack, Parry, etc. are either straight up removed or tied to equipment. No mixing and matching skills, no customization, nothing! “Theorycraft your way through endless combinations of classes, equipment, skills and magic” my ass! Speaking of;
- Magic is ALSO limited to 4 spells per character, probably because Square Enix thought having more spells than you can count on one hand was too confusing for would-be players. Having mages use two elements (like having one guy with Dark spells for ailments and Water for some healing on the side, or giving every member of your team access to Fire spells to blast away at people with the same element) was cool, but there’s no way to do that now since, again, you only have 4 spell slots.
- The removal of tactical points (TP) is such a questionable decision. In Let Us Cling Together, TPs were a third resource that could be used for skills and for finishing moves; spellcasters traded it for MP in the form of Meditate, and fighters used it for skills like Berserk, Phalanx, Fearful Impact, etc. In Reborn, TP was removed, and instead finishers consume MP (which means classes like Rune Fencers who get Meditate can spam them with impunity). As for the aforementioned skills like Phalanx (which knights used to get a 90% damage reduction until their next turn), Berserk (an integral part of the Berserker’s moveset that hits enemies in an AoE) and others? Well, it would simply make too much sense for them to require MP to use, so instead, Square went ahead and pulled off a brilliant move: they trigger *randomly*. Berserker never proccing the skill they were named after? In Reborn, it’s possible. Enemy knights triggering Phalanx four turns in a row and being untouchable? Sure enough, it can happen. Your mages not getting Meditate off and enemy mages getting it every turn? Hell yeah brother, cheers. It’s not enough that skills should be removed or neutered; tactical decisions like when to use one are also now stripped from you. Very cool!
- The addition of buff cards. These things litter the battlefield and appear randomly to offer buffs like higher crit chance, better odds of triggering your random skills, higher damage, etc. These SUCK. Not only because they’re pure random, but because you have to go out of your way to grab them around the place and it kills the pace and the momentum of battles. No one wants to spend 3 turns going around gathering cards so your character can actually deal more damage. ♥♥♥♥’s bad! And not only that, but they went super lazy with this one by having every boss start with 4 buff cards right at the beginning of the battle, which strongly encourages you to use the same strategy for every fight: have two guys with lobbers throw debuff items at the enemy leader, then rush that ♥♥♥♥ down.
- HP bloat is a ♥♥♥♥♥. You can find screenshots that compare the HP totals of enemies at certain stages in the game: we’re talking four to eight times the health compared to the PSP version, without upping the damage to compensate. Clerics also didn’t get a buff to their healing capacity, which means they are even worse than before because healing salves that you can easily buy at the store heal per percentage (50, 75 and 100%).
- They removed the Rogue class because?
There’s probably a lot more I didn’t mention like archers getting nerfed hard and the devs not fixing the potential issues that can arise from the WORLD system, like going through the whole-ass postgame dungeon only to realize you were on the wrong timeline and you wasted your time because you didn’t take the time to read up on the matter. Reborn is NOT the definitive edition of Tactics Ogre, which is a shame because it comes SO CLOSE but falls just short. A bittersweet experience overall."
it is pretty long, but it is an older review, though newer reviews tend to match what this says in whole or in part.
Everything from that review sounds like someone with either poor taste or terrible critical evaluation skills, it's a terrible review and should not be considered.
@@TitaniumLegman many positive reviews lack proper material as well, so positive or negative the same thing happens. the point of my post is about the argument you made in the video. the review system has two parts to it, the score and the written justification for the score. the score is put into aggregate and can get people to pass on a game or buy a game falsely due to abuse of the scoring system. the argument goes both ways as people not only review boost, but sometimes companies will pay people to give good reviews giving a false positive. people upset at some aspect of the game that was stated on the store page were well informed before they bought the game and are falsely putting a negative review.
the second part of the review, the written justification is what you looked at for the scores, but you didn't demonstrate how to get a look at the reviews in a way to actually filter for those that had a negative opinion and those that had a positive opinion in order to inform people how to use Steam's reviews in order to make a decision on the game. you seemed to just not like how Steam's system worked, but instead of blaming Steam or explaining specific problems of how the system is bad you looked at the conclusion and blamed the raters.
the issue you seem to have is that people feel others need to know certain things, and as they have to give a score if they dislike the stuff they are telling people about they put a negative score to their review. had the store page mentioned the things they are talking about then they would look like idiots and not have gotten as many people finding their review helpful. had there been neutral reviews they could have mentioned such things and not affected the aggregate score so that people could make informed decisions about design choices that they felt might impact whether or not they like the game. the negative reviews are consistent in their gripes, and that means they are not some crazy people just trying to bomb the game. in fact you said as much in your video that they do not like the direction the game went and has a negative experience as a result. this justifies their reviews, and your gripe was the negative aggregate score and thus you felt that they should have just kept their mouth shut so that others will have the same negative experience since not everyone will have that negative experience in spite that there are a significant number of people with the same expectations that fell short in the same way.
That was an excellent example of a good review. The person left a thorough explanation of their experience from interacting with the game and is one of many better information you can find from investigating the Steam user review section. When reviewing the user review section, I often employ caution to overly positive and overly negative reviews. Sometimes the positive reviews can misguide consumers by simply stating "good" or is disguising its context to be more appropriate to "be careful when buying; you might not enjoy the game as much as you'd expect and cannot refund after exceeding a certain clause in the Steam refund policy." Just as positive reviews can be disguised as a negative, so too can negative reviews disguise some positive elements in the game that may be worth investigating more into. Overall, as consumers in a market, we should strive to prod the integrity of ratings and user reviews to discern if what people feel about a product is honest and that the reviews are not trying to deceive us by "yes"-men or "no"-men (people who will try to influence you to take immediate action at the cost of making less-informed and unconfident decision). More respectable reviews present their genuine thoughts of the product experience and do not have to affirm for others to submit or withhold their funds (e.g. "You should buy!", "Do not buy!", or "Do not listen to what the others think/say!") or dismiss conflicting critiques by other users.
If you want to try more advance ways to analyze the mix of user reviews, try opening the filter to allow all languages and permit your language preferences in your user account settings. In this video, TitaniumLegman either did not understand or assumed that the data of user reviews invites all users of varying languages. What you will most likely see is your preferred language (English in this example) and that data only represents one fraction of the entire population (all who participated in the review). You'd be surprised by the number of insights from other users from all over the world. I used Google Translate to assist interpreting texts.
@@Tharnatos Yeah man, I don't think personal opinion is a good vector for critiquing a piece of art. You not liking something does not equal that thing being bad. I made that pretty clear. If you think that's delusion, the problem is with you, not me.
People with good critical thinking skills usually won't take steam reviews (or general public reviews) at face value. They'll read the good and the bad and can usually decipher a pattern, like you mentioned here, in this case, most old-time players being salty. Whereas, the positive comments really dive into the good core elements of a game. Then outside of the, we'll usually lookup gameplay and other reputable review sources to see if it's really worth a shot to play.
I left a bad review of this game then lol and I guess even though I think there are 3 better versions of this game and have played them thoroughly... My review is bad and uninformed lol
All depends on the content of your review and why you consider reborn bad.
@@TitaniumLegman to be fair it's not a bad game unless I compare it to every other iteration of this title. As a stand alone it is good.
@@TitaniumLegman Also as a side note it sounds like you're saying if it's an opinion I disagree with it's wrong. I don't believe any review should be disregarded unless and I can't stress this enough I hate the "thumbs down this game is too hard"
@@ThroatShredder1087 I absolutely refuse to believe that any iteration of TO is better than Reborn. As for reviews, if the best someone can offer for a negative review is "the buff cards are bad" or "they removed some status spells which is bad" I'm gonna toss those reviews, no question. It's not a matter of my opinion, but just bad reviews, period.
@@TitaniumLegman I would ask what makes a good review but if we can't critically analyze I don't know if there can be one. The Buff card system on top of making the battlefield look aesthetically crowded seems to be to address the character sponge issue which they created and that's a valid point. I don't care that they got rid of status spells though because the AI is too broken to use them and I used like 4 of them anyway.
Lol those comments seems good to me in fact. I haven played this game , but i do play a loot of game like this one and in the short gameplay you show on 7:35 we can see 3 radom buffs apear in the battle field in 1 turn, sorry but i do agree whit the comment that said that is not strategy that is pure luck and should be removed.
I'm sorry but if you haven't played the game I don't feel that you have room to say what should and should not be removed.
@@TitaniumLegman Well if that its all you have to say them i gess you have nothing againts the points i make about randomness. Preaty shure that the 48% that represent negative votes agree whit me and they did play the game..........be it fans of the game, new players, or people interested in it like me that will never waste move thx to the people that does know how to recognice radomness on a TBSG
The point I have against buff cards being too random, is that rng has been a part of these games since their inception. Random stats on level, loot drops, whether effects, crits, hot and dodge, the list goes on. Buff cards as a way fo simulate an evolving battlefield is just one more type of rng that is easily played around, and yet their existence is the most common bludgeon people use to bash the game. I disagree with that notion, heavily.
Although I do read Steam reviews to have a general sense of what the game is, if I want to decide whether to buy a game or not, I watch gameplay of it to make a somewhat educated decision. Cuz, you know who's the best critic about things that I enjoy? Yes, myself.
Mob mentality is a thing, specially on the internet. If you open a page and start seeing a bunch of bad or mixed review, chances are that you will echo that sentiment before analyzing the product.
For the same reason someone would go and watch a RUclipsr to get info.
Steam reviews if delve into it can get you a ton of information
It's a ok game (fanbois reeeee) card system does make high move faster classes more viable it's hit or miss as to whether you like it, not as good as FF tactics but it's not a clone either. Tons of Characters and stories some you will like (Azelstan) some you will wish met their end in a crush film (catiua) all in all worth the money and worth a replay not a hard game in anyway literally got almost to the end before I discovered the chariot system looking for something else in the menu so imo 7/10 worth the buy if you are a fan of the genre.
Might be my new number 1 favorite tactics game. Tactics ogre reborn is so good. FF tactics and fire emblem path of radiance and fire emblem geneology of the holy war are also top tier. Really hope ff tactics gets similar treatment to TO Reborn.
A number is a number. Have to read a few of the below average reviews to see what the people's beef is.
Then there are pro reviews to check out, gameplay vids on RUclips.
146, yeah people can be unhinged
For me steam reviews is only the lazy "I'm very on the fence about this one" way of deciding lo look further into it. If I really care about knowing if I'm going to enjoy a game gameplay and reviews are definetly better if more time consuming.
Ugh, I could rant about this for a thousand words, but I'll save you having to read that comment. I see tactical RPG fans skip over the best because of the ratings and reviews... then they pick up something rated higher, like Triangle Strategy, and think it's the best in the series while complaining it lacks exactly the things a Tactics Ogre or Final Fantasy Tactics has.
It is true the bosses have an unfair advantage in reborn can't argue with that; they not only have 2 levels up your party level but also set up with buff cards from the start. But i guess this is to compensate the lack of strategy the AI now has; in the PSP version AI was way more playful in terms of how they will annoy you, now in reborn, it only goes for the weakest to hack off their HP, and nothing more, it go suicidal just to hit the one they have a advantage against, regarding completely their safety, so its easy to pick them out like shooting fish in a barrel. Reborn also attack way more aggressively all at once, so it will be more often than not you will see your troops getting incapacitated, in the psp they send troops one by one, taking time to build their AT and MP, now they send a wizard to poke your knight with a staff because they have no MP, having this in mind it's easy to turn the odds to your favor. Reborn, other than boss fights, is fairly easy in this matter, you will use items more often, in psp you barely ever use them now they are key and an important asset for your strategy, also there is no need to grind for stuff as you get them wile you level up, so you can most likely ditch your initial characters for other new ones with the spells or weapons skills you want to max out. in this terms is a bit sad as your initial characters are not special anymore, they are expendable, and again is logic as how often you will see them fall in battle.
My only Huge Critic is in Reborn they entirely remove the Rogue class for being recruited entirely. This makes the game feel incomplete in my opinion, i mean we have them before, now not, ...btw my rogue was Cistina in the PSP version, now guess i will leave her as a Valkyrie, which IMHO is the best non unique class in reborn.
Tactics Ogre is the BEST game of all time!
To be fair, I did dislike that you couldn't grind, all of the people I know that play tactics games do enjoy what the guy said about the small experienced elite force overcoming overwhelming odds, so you did strengthen the point that Steam reviews are extremelly useful. Game doesn't have the complexity of XCOM and you can still cheese most missions with all archers, so the "but you have to think now" argument isn't valid, the problems come from those of us that don't want to cheese it that way and prefer to experiment, even if the builds we make aren't necessarily optimal.
That said I did find a mod that lets you grind which is why I bought it in the end, so it's not really that much of an issue.
As for the overall thing with Steam reviews, they are all useful always, I have bought games on mixed like some of the M&B clones which I love for example, but you have to read them. If ypu are a fan of M&B and sandboxes and you see most Negative Reviews are guys complainig about no story, you can safely ifnore those because story is not why you play those games in the first place.
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walls aren't to high; should be able to just step on in; its keeping the ants out that I'm worried with; @@blind3dbylight
I think the one thing that goes when it comes to steam reviews for me personally is in situations where I'm on the fence, haven't been able to find any footage or gameplay of it somehow and off that word of mouth, it can be an interesting thing. I know that myself and my brothers got pretty excited when we once saw this starship troopers game come out that was similar to darktide/vermintide/aliens firestorm assault etc. But before buying it, we gave the reviews a quick look to see how many memes or jokes where gonna be present and we saw one thing that turned us off and I haven't seen be implemented(been a while and might've missed an update but still) "no Australian servers", which immediately put us off because we were basically gonna be in an unplayable state which is why we look through those reviews for those tiny little things that would prevent us from playing the game. I believe that steam reviews being public is both a positive and a negative because you do get an unskewed look at the people playing it and the only ones worth looking at for me personally are those who have sunk a bunch of hours on it in the first place. For TOR, I see it as more not so much of old heads, but people who have played the previous versions or experienced them through osmosis of others that have developed an opinion that is in conflict with the changes made in TOR. I know in one of the discords I'm in which is full of old heads that have played these older games that I just didn't have access to as a kid, just haven't even bother playing TOR, because they have the previous copies right there that they've already sunk a bunch of time into and these people looking for at these changes that aren't being jived with are ingrained with a certain mindset from their past experiences. And because these are only on recent reviews, maybe it's people who didn't know or get the chance to access it till then and left these comments. For every one "this change was made that I didn't like", I bet there will be 10 people saying the exact opposite so unless you don't read full in depth all the different reviews if you are considering a game on steam and only looking for the negative reviews, then I say that you didn't want to play the game in the first place. I know Crimson banner hasn't gotten my interest yet from what I've seen, but my backlog is also crazy big, I'd be insane for trying to get that while I still haven't even finished TOR(completely, I've done law route and that's it) but maybe at some point I'll give it a go. Ultimately what I'm trying to say is it comes down to people who use negative reviews to judge a game, are just looking for an excuse in the first place to not play it in the first place because people are dumb and stubborn and an overall train wreck.
I bought it for Switch and didn't get past the first 30 minutes... but I didn't like the gameboy advance Tactics Ogre either. However I love every American released Fire Emblem since the blazing blade, but Engage was just ok. And I'm 100% buying Unicorn Overlord immediately after work on March 8th. ❤⚔️🏹 Will give it another shot on my next trans-pacific flight.
They probably expecting it to be played like cod 😂😂
Steam reviews you absolutely have to take with a grain of salt, as how passionately someone feels about very specific thing and how we can easily be emotional, that how it compromises their experience can translate (to them) to an objectively bad game. You have to evaluate the rating with the comment and determine how it resonates with your inner criteria.
I guess my thing is, that on the other side of the coin, someone can have a great time with something that has aspects that others might not mesh with. I've played well rated games that I just put down because of a misalignment with mechanics or creative decision doesn't do it for me. Disgaea is supposed to be amazing, but I don't like anime and the dialog made me want to dive into a meat grinder. There were many other things about the gameplay itself I didn't mesh with. I came away from the game thinking it just wasn't good. Although I didn't rate it, I can see how mileage might vary.
I struggled to get into Tactics Ogre Reborn as well and the reasons you read out actually resonated super well with me. The decision to not allow over levelling to me would have been much more well received as a toggle-able option or a constraint to be placed in a higher difficulty level. It felt like such an artificial constraint to not be able to develop your characters but still have battles. "Sorry I can't learn any more or get stronger from battles until I pass an arbitrary story point.". I 100% get the balancing consideration, but to me it was a misfire that inappropriately controlled how someone can enjoy the game, amplified that it was something that wasn't present in earlier iterations. That being said, although it made it unappealing to me, I didn't leave a review saying that it was a bad game, and I guess that's your main point. So all of the above shenanigans to say I agree haha.
I don't think there is anything wrong here with the reviews.
75% (currently sitting at 74% overall) says 3/4 people liked the game which I think is fair.
Of course a lot of people glance over a 7/10 review nowadays because there are so many games and everyone wants to play the 9/10s, but for a niche genre like tactics rpgs, a remake of a console game on pc that's a really good score.
Also it's a ~55US$ game, so for that price you easily can buy 1.5-2 indie games in the same genre, which are offering more for the price (looking at fell seal or battle brothers)
The tactics genre is a niche genre and ogre also was conceived many years ago and not the smoothest experience then going by the reviews of the time.
I think it's fair to say that a game released in 1995 might not hit general audience taste 28 years later, despite pinpoint improvements a remake makes.
Ogre was made for consols and optimized for consols and the amount of consol-related jank in the game which could be optimized with mouse over and other pc-natives.
I don't think that the review which says the game is not open about what's happening is unfair, i mean yeah rewind function... contemporary game design foun dbetter ways to present this the last years and overall speed in games is way quicker nowadays.
The point is more that the world moved on, many new ideas in gamedesign have been iterated on, and Ogre also never rose to the popularity levels of a Final Fantasy Tactics, which just is a way smoother, way less convoluted experience and is not only more beloved because of the bigger IP only.
All I am saying is that Ogre in itself probably was an 8 to 8.5 / 10 game back in the time.
Now it's as a fullprice game a 7.5/10 in the current market situation
I think that's impressive.
I think for 30 bucks it would sit easily at 80%
Can't think of many 28 year old action, rpg, jrpg, stealth or shooter games which hold up that well after all this time, unless they got a ground-up overhaul.
And steam reviews have to be seen in a current context of the market, with the current concurrence available at the time.
I bought it because I love FFT and Ogre Battle March of the Black Queen. I found the battles a little too boring and the progression too slow. Not a bad game, just not very exciting. I imagine if I played it when I was younger than I would have a nostalgia for it.
I like Tactics Ogre, but the drops rates are disgustingly low. This is annoying because a lot of post game content requires your party to have gear that require securing late and post game drops. I enjoy grinding, but since the level cap is super low, you're almost exclusively grinding for drops that rarely appear. That, in my opinion, makes playing the game a lot less fun. That is my personal opinion.
For sure, and I get if that's not something you enjoy. For me it's not bad since the Chariot exists, but I can see why it wouldn't be your cup of tea either way.
Steam is paid, the reviewers are paid to keep good games, older games, classic games in the background so travesties like starfield and that dragshow FPS get boosted. It really corruption of the review system to ensure steam gets maximum profitability at the cost of the consumer's. I recently got back on steam FOR tactics ogre and it tried rather stolidly to shunt me AWAY from it. When i found it i purchased, i also pirchased a second for a younger player whos seen me on the psp variant and he had issues as well.
Good old Coffee P. did a video recentish about this; he points out how TO has mechanics that can be a struggle to get a handle on, and how a lot of people who reviewed early on dropped out of the game only to return much later and actually get a handle on it… Which might not be the case for everyone but is not invalid.
I think compared to pre-2010, we’d also get a greater proportion of reviews that were done by people who actually fully finished the games in question; nowadays anyone can drop almost anything in some capacity. And not everyone is required to finish a game if they can’t (one RUclipsr I admire dropped FFVII Remake late into it, and cited how the excessively flashy graphics actually gave them headaches while playing… which, yeah I don’t blame them).
But in the case of these games, it’s a bit perplexing how much certain people got turned off; especially “Reborn” haters who can’t stand the changed mechanics. It makes everyone who found TriStrat story-heavy tame in comparison… And this isn’t like criticisms of poor business practices which can only be heard with review-bombing
You cant "remake" a game hoping to get sells from the fan base , change basic core mechanics and spect people to be fine whit it. Not to mention that radom buffs on a battle field is not strategy
Are hit and dodge rates not strategy then? What about random crits? Percentage based status effects? Weather changes? Loot drops? Why are buff cards the line for RNG? Because I don't see it. And yes, you can change base game mechanics and expect people to like it, seeing as how the majority still do.
@@TitaniumLegman Easy , you can build a character for those stats making it a strat for said character lest say a glass canon or a heavy tank. So you cant build or count whit a random cards that apear on a battlefield , but you can build and keep in mind that you have a rogue whit 55% dodge chance and knowing that you can bet on an attk and know that 55% of the time thx to your build that character will not get hit , that is not ramdom that is knoing the chances you have to not get hit.
@@TitaniumLegman Weather changes? affect hole battle field , making it less random but i do agree that is kinda random.
Loot drops dont know turn based games that have those but yeah same as cards.
What about random crits? Percentage based status effects?
Same as dodge if you know that a fire elemental has 30% to set you on fire its not random.
But lest say you have a chance between 1% and 99% to crit and that those % change every turn randomly , now that is a diferent story that would be random.
@@TitaniumLegman Heck, I was just randomly thinking of it and I had this interesting idea: what if Fire Emblem Player/Enemy phase... but both sides could only move a certain amount of units before the turn ENDS? So, you can only choose 5 of your team to do anything and when you've moved them, the turn automatically ends; then the enemy can only do the same, and so on. Kind of combining stuff like Matsuno's speed system... I dunno, it just sounded fun to me.
Its good for confirmation sometimes. Half of the comments of reborn feel like they are complaining that Tactics Ogre is more popular than Ogre Battle in Steams forums. So i have to assume teviews channel that as well
I do feel like Steam should add a neutral rating. I think some of the issue is having to say thumbs up or thumbs down. Sometimes I want to leave my thoughts and conclude with a caution or qualified review. Sadly, because of the way the industry has treated us, I think people are much more likely to view the glass half empty, so pick thumbs down if forced to choose.
bought, played once, seems great then new games arrived and took over
The comments in this video made me think this person was going to hate on justified opinions but... I don't see it. The reviews are overly negative about Reborn. If I can no-ko the game with a team made of squishies like warlocks, fusiliers and such it means the game isn't that brutal or rng-like. And really, pushing the player to use debuffs is bad now? Man silly me, I thought a strategy game should encourage the player to use all their tools, but I suppose not! And about the elite army... You can still create an elite army without being overlevelled. The plethora of options you have in chapter 4 are insane. Dragons, Gryphons, Patriarch/Matriarch, Liches, Necromancers, Rangers and even a Dark Knight herself, you are constantly overpowering the enemy army in the final main story beats.
However I do also think that there should have been a normal and hard mode tho, since the game does not teach you how to deal with super stacked bosses AND the game lies to you about them. What do I mean?
The bosses have a hidden damage multiplier. For example, if your units has 300 in magic attack and the boss has 295, the latter will still hit harder with a spell even without a card. This combined with 2 int card does make for a powerhouse of a boss.
Considering these guys get a big power advantage, the game could have used a normal mode where bosses do not start with the cards, allowing players to ease into the lategame a little, and a hard mode which is what we currently have, with super powerful endgame bosses that force more advanced strats.
The problem is not focing you to use all your tools, the problem is when the game forces you onto a single strategy for each mission. That is not how most Tactics work for a reason.
@@TheBayzent But it doesn't, depending on your team your strategy is going to vary, expecially if you pursue the no death title. For example if you have a hyper magic offense team, it's better to buff your own units so you can spread as much AOE damage as possible and kill everyone before they even reach you
I dunno this video seems super hypocritical. The reviews are there to help people on an average see if a game is worth buying. A game can be good but not fit the criteria of what someone wants. I for one appreciate the negative reviews they highlighted some aspects that I would have totally disliked. After reading the reviews and watching further videos on the card system I 100% bounced off that idea and that was all thanks to the reviews. Those aren't even bad negative reviews they give some constructive criticism, some are mini essays which are far better then the "this game is butt" types. And at the end of the day the reviews are just opinions.
Also as an edit if people did bounce off of Reborn they should 100% check out the One Vision mod. It ended up being what I wanted in a updated Tactics Ogre in the end.
Kinda ironic to dismiss feedbacks with preferences different than yours as biased while such criticism is itself definition of biased. The way steam feedbacks is working just fine here is that they treat your bias equally valid as others'
Disclaimer, never played it, just checking out reviews
lol its called differing opinions and personally as someone whos suffered through reborn on switch (probably wouldve been a hell of alot better on pc with cheat engine) i can say its utter crap every other version of lets cling together is good but not anywhere near final fantasy tactics level of greatness pretty much gameplay change of reborn can kiss my ass but now that ive got a hacked switch again i may give it another try and see if its any better with cheats lol because my philosophy is cheats can fix and make even the worst of games great lol
I don't trust any reviews. If anything, I'll watch game play and make my own judgment.
You dig into steam reviews, but professional reviewers were out here calling Hogwarts trash because of politics. You can't trust any of them. Make your own decisions.
You can already dismiss all the negative reviews of Reborn that praise the PSP version of Tactics Ogre. That version while still a good game was a cluttered mess. Shitting on the remaster while saying at the same time that the PSP version was great is pure nonsense. I'm an old head and to me the two best versions are Reborn and the Saturn port (the most polished of the old 16/32 bits ones, and now playable in English thanks to a translation patch).
People are just sad angry hate life hate the world always negative
review "scores" have never been a reliable way to determine a purchase. don't be an idiot and read the reviews, and see if they make sense for you. I don't see anything wrong with that. If you're a sheep driven by review scores without context then maybe you deserve to miss good games.
Tactics Ogre reborn kinda sux though, I wouldn't have given it a positive review considering how expensive it is
You came so close only to miss in the end.
Level cap is quite annoying in reborn.
You're wrong about Crimson Tactics. People were upset with the devs because they backed a game that didn't exist - the devs lied about the amount of content the game would contain & are now trying to backpedal. Plus, its just not that good anyway to be honest. I like TOR well enough (7/10 maybe) but I agree with a lot of the mixed & negative reviews on steam. If I want to replay the game I will play one vision, not TOR.
Plans change brother.
I think the fact that you do not agree with other people taste in video games doesnt make something awful, in the end you cannot blindily trust nothing.
Difference in taste and wholesale dismissal of an entire game due to one mechanic or change.
the reviews on the steam page that are negative are citing numerous problems within the game, problems that may not have hampered your experience with the game, but clearly have for many others, not all, mind you, my opinion is irrelevant on the subject but i would rate the game as a positive review on steam, but can clearly see why this is a far from perfect game, let alone remake@@TitaniumLegman
Meh, I kind of agree with the reviews. There were some changes, but overall it feels like a port and not a remake. Charging $50 for a digital version of the game that's almost 15 years old is too much for me.
Here's a foreign concept, play the games you want without worrying and what other people think.
Reviews seem justified. Just as you evaluated these games, others did, too. They happen to didn’t like it. There’s a problem because you think they’re great games? I finished TOR and, while I enjoyed most of it, I thought the level capping system was extremely annoying at times. Not everyone enjoys a challenging game. Sometimes I wanna turn off my brain and grind. For the other game, it seems the devs made a promise that wasn’t delivered or misleading? I didn’t keep up with it, but reviews seem justified again.
Not liking a mechanic that does not hinder progress in any meaningful way is not a valid reason to negatively review a game, and for CT, not liking that there's going fo be sequels is also not a valid reason to negatively review a game.
@@TitaniumLegman Different people have different ideas of what counts as a "valid reason" to give a positive or negative review. For some people, yes, having one nagging mechanic constantly bothering them during what would otherwise be a good game is a valid reason to give it a negative review. For some people, a remake having changes that, in their eyes, makes it worse than the original game is a valid reason to give it a negative review. For some people, paying for a full story and then not getting a full story without having to pay even more for more games is a valid reason to give it a negative review.
There's no definitive criteria for positive or negative reviews, and people can like or dislike it for any reason. If someone wants to voice what they feel are legitimate complaints about the game, they should. That's why there's a review system in the first place.
@TitaniumLegman It definitely is if it makes the game less fun to some people, especially those who played previous versions.
Steam reviews are there to asses "fun", not "progress capacity", and these reviews are Mixed not even negative, being salty about a 26% of users not liking what you do is very childish.
There is a difference between “game is bad” and “game isn’t for you”.
such a simple concept that escapes large swathes of man-children in the gaming community
I mean, if you are trusting 26 MIXED reviews over 2523 Mostly Positive reviews the problem lies with you. Not with Steam reviews. This is a pointless video.
@@justin9744 Multiple devs have discussed openly the numerous issues with Steam Reviews. I think they know what they're talking about.
This has stopped me buying these games. This exactly. its hard to spend that much money and have doubts. i feel like steam used to be better on there reviews. but since there has been a huge increase in "early access" games the reviews have been kinda all over the show. as the game updates and stuff, also people just sucking at the game and leaving bad reviews. i dono i was amazed and happy to see this video. you did a good job dude. this makes me want to have a look again at these games again.
however i will say to answer your question. i have paid for games, with the same like 74% good reviews and the rest are seemingly nit picking. Then as i carry on playing those games the nit picks prove to be a real downer when playing. maybe i notice them because they have been made apparent to me? i dont know. but it makes me less risky with my purchases. i like the positivity though my dude! keep up the good work.
have you had any experiences like that?
This video is far more pathetic than any steam reviews. You're mad because people who bought the game didn't like it because you do. Ok someone said they didn't like the game because of a change that was made, how is that invalid? They don't like the change and they are voicing their opinion about it.
Not liking something doesn't mean it's bad. Rating a game on a system you just don't like, not the objective analysis of if that system is good or bad for the game, makes for a bad review. Next time make a comment without opening it with an attack, and maybe you too will understand the difference.
@@TitaniumLegman All this video was was "Wahh people don't like the thing I like"
@@Zer0Hour17 Keep trying dude, you'll get it eventually.
triangle strategy was also mixed. Just another case for rewievs dont mean crap