Outstanding historical critique. I am a Protestant, huge fan of Brant Petrie and Dr Barber, just bought his book. My late grandma is RC, I have her rosary. I am named after her brother, I have his small scapular, from 1920.
Agreed. Pray for your children in a state of grace. Go to confession, pray the rosary daily, do the 5 first Saturdays, pray the binding prayer in case your children are under diabolic influence and dont be afraid to speak up and let them know you love them and want them to come to an understanding of the truth for their sake and their children.
Paul doesn't stop there. The next verse says we should walk in the good works of Jesus. Epehesisans 2:10 : For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. In other words, if you have faith in the Lord, you are saved into doing good works by him and his Grace.
@@Justin-kn6dp . The point of ephesians 2:8-9 is that salvation is a free gift from God. We can't earn it nor deserve it nor work for it. If we worked for it it would be a wage. A gift is just handed to you free of charge. Someone else paid for it. As in Jesus dieing on the cross shedding His blood as payment for our sins. Once we are saved we get to do good works. But works are not required for salvation nor are works part of salvation.
@@ewaldradavich7307 Right, but my point is many people seem to ignore verse 10 and thinking that they shouldn't do good works for God after receiving his free gift, when it's clear we should do good works as a result of our faith in what he has done for us and has offered us. That's all I'm getting at, not trying to tie it to salvation as part of his gift. I'm talking more about the faith itself as a result of his Grace.
For all of the discussion ... they never gave a simple, succinct answer to the fundamental question. They didn't help the average, everyday Catholic by giving them a simply answer for their protestant relative that has come over for dinner.
Ask them if Love is required for salvation....if they yes....then say ...well so much for Faith Alone....if they say that you don't need Love to be saved....give them a to go plate....and kick them out of your house....you must love your neighbor.....Faith by itself is Dead
@@kdmdlo Jon was only trying to help. Do not be so Angry when the intention is meant to help. Although, Jon returning anger by kicking a lost & misinformed brother or sister is NOT the answer too. If we want to be good example to them of LOVING our neighbor. Sometimes patience & charity are not easy to provide to those who are misinformed but we still have to keep trying to give them that patience & LOVE. Best thing is always to PRAY for those of our brothers & sisters who are still lost & trying to find answers. GOD will allow them to know him fully IN HIS TIME. PRAY instead of acting out of anger or impatience. WISHING YOU BOTH A VERY BLESSED DAY.
Correct. We need to know the definitions of what is faith in faith alone. What are included and what are not included in faith alone. Proper definition of faith alone will simplify the discussion on faith and works for salvation. No one says works alone can procure salvation. No one says one can be saved by doing works of the law. So these two aspects are non issue. Apart from the definition of what is faith alone, we may also deliberate on what is works and why works matters to salvation. Here works refers to works of charity in action and having the right disposition like having love for God and fellow men, forgiving others, repent of one's sins, asking for forgiveness etc. As per Jesus' teaching, we are to do good works as a duty. Doing them pleases God and because God is pleased, God will show his mercy, kindness and give grace. In other words, good works are to be done as a duty with the objective of pleasing God. God is not obligated to reward us for doing our duty. But disobeying God will attract God's wrath. In the end, we are saved by love. Without faith, we cannot love. But without love, faith is dead.
James taught works. Jesus also taught - No Works - No Salvation. “Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons. For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink. I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’ “Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’ “And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’ “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.” The Book Of Matthew
The good works universalism at the end seems very heretical. People who know about Jesus -- that is everybody alive today! -- and then reject Him for Buddha or Muhammed, etc. are breaking the first commandment. Jesus said if, "you deny me before men, I will deny you before the Father." He also said, "Apart from me you can do nothing." Buddha is not going to save you. Neither is Muhammed. A Buddhist or a Muslim (an atheist for that matter) might seem on the outside a nice person who follows his conscience, but one really be good without the grace of Jesus Christ? I don't think so.
I'm not saying a Muslim or a Buddhist will or won't be saved. But my suggestion for you is, "judge not, lest ye be judged". In other words, stay in your lane and let God deal with judgement. Just pray that all people may be brought into the fullness of the light, through Christ's body the Church.
@@kdmdlo You don't understand God or the Bible. Jesus -- God -- said, "narrow is the way to salvation and few there are who find it." That takes the guess work out of it. He also said very clearly, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me." That also leaves no room for guess work -- and no room for Muslims or Buddhists or anyone who explicitly deny Jesus. He said, "If you deny me before men, I will deny you before my Father in Heaven." Pretty clear. It is not I who am doing the judging, my friend. It is our Lord. I'm only listening to what He said, whereas you refuse to do so and are actually denying what He said. It is my lane to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. It is your lane too. I suggest you follow that lane, for it is the narrow way to Heaven, as Jesus Christ Himself said. Listen and obey.
@@scottanderson9382 Well, to begin, you are correct. I don't understand God. But, then again, anyone who says they do ... is simply showing their ignorance (and their sinful pride). As for the rest, you simply don't know the mind of God any more than I do. And, while His justice is important ... so too is His infinite divine mercy. My suggestion would be to do your best, encourage others to love and serve God (and their neighbors) and stop with the judgement. Pax Christi.
@@kdmdlo you are acting as if Jesus Christ never walked among us and established the Kingdom of Heaven on earth as He said and spoke for there years as recorded by those who knew Him and established a church that is still with us today. You seem to want to ignore all that and pretend that nobody knows the mind of our Lord, when Jesus Himself does not leave us that option. He said that anyone who hears His words and does them is like a else man ago built his house on the rock and anyone ago ignores the words is like a foolish man who built this house on the sand. Jesus Christ came in the flesh and He is God and you can and must trust what He said. We do know what He said because it is written down for us and passed down for us by His apostles and His church. He said few will be saved and only those who hear The words and follow them. If you hear His words, do not harden your heart, for today is the day of salvation.
This seems like an inaccurate portrayal of how protestants view sola fide, grace, salvation, etc. Atleast from a reformed protestant view. When he references ezekiel in how it is *God* that causes us to act in accordance with His statutes, how is this not the same as what Protestants state? Thats how I was taught it in my reformed understanding. Its definitely not the “presumptuous, lukewarm” characterization this guy gives at the beginning as an extreme. That “lukewarm, God will do everything I do nothing” sort of attitude is what other protestants accuse reformed of being, but this is not what they state or live out when they claim irresistible grace or eternal security, I would point to Romans 6 as response, as why else would Paul need to address this accusation from devout Jews that desired works of the law for justification? Paul needed to specify that this free grace was not a license to sin, yet why need the specification? Because a salvation by grace is truly an act fully of God, not of the person. Protestants stress works of righteousness just the same yet the purpose of them is never in regard to Justification. I mean this was Luther’s whole point, the initial Justification is the full justification, and the subsequent walk of faith is not to earn that previous justification but to live in obedience to the Spirit’s sanctification. Its intrinsically different in view, but outwardly it looks the same when comparing a faithful catholic to a faithful protestant.
Just to ask plainly: How can you state Salvation is by Grace(unearned favor) and a “full work of God” as you claim when good deeds that sustain this “Justification after initial justification” are by nature transactional/earned, how is this not contradictory? A genuine faith is accompanied by works of faith but every informed protestant will tell you this is by nature of the Holy Spirit’s salvific/transformative nature in us, not of ourselves striving to upkeep right-standing with God. This reality is how we view verses like James 2 for example.
"BY Grace, are ye saved through Faith, not of your works" (where the works refers to the Grace & not the Faith) The Grace comes from God in the form.of thw holy Communion, taken directly into the mouth & not receiving in the hands, cause hands denote the wages of our works. Now Faith, is the revelation of "Give unto God what is to God" , even as it is written , it is impossible to please God without Faith, & if God be not pleased there be no saving . Faith has its works within , for as is writers Faith without works is dead" And that which specifically constitute the Faith is denoted by the Bronze Image of St.Peter in Peters Basilica so it is :: "The Communion which is the Grace is received through Faith"
JESUS DIED TO ATONE FOR OUR SINS & OPEN THE GATES OF HEAVEN AGAIN FOR US SINCE GOD CLOSED IT DUE TO ADAM & EVE'S SIN/DISOBEDIENCE. JESUS DYING FOR OUR US DOES NOT GUARANTEE WE WILL GET TO HEAVEN IF WE KEEP SINNING & DOING NOTHING TO SHOW GOD WE LOVE HIM FIRST & FOREMOST. PART OF LOVING GOD IS HELPING OUR FAMILY & OTHERS TO ALSO LOVE HIM. THIS TAKES WORK. THE MOST BASIC WORK THAT ALL CHRISTIANS DO IS PRAY & ATTEND MASS/CHURCH. THEN OTHERS DO EVEN MORE BY EVANGELIZING, HELPING THE POOR & DOING VOLUNTEER WORK IN OUR CHURCH COMMUNITY TO HELP OTHERS TO GROW IN LOVING GOD. THOSE ARE ALL WORKS. FAITH & WORKS, WORK HAND IN HAND. BOTH ARE NEEDED FOR SALVATION BUT ALWAYS BY THE GRACE OF GOD. NARROW IS THE WAY TO SALVATION/HEAVEN. JESUS DID SAY THAT. IF ALL ARE SAVE WHY WOULD JESUS SAY IT IS NARROW PATH TO HEAVEN & WIDE IS THE PATH TO HELL.
If catholics do not understand what they even believe concerning being saved speaks to the fallacy's the catholic religion teaches . Guess what M.Luther had it right we are saved by Grace through Faith not of works les one boast . Yet all you catholics hate M.Luther and constantly lament about the protestants and yet it is you catholics that believe in false doctrines and most of you are not even saved ! Mr. Tim Gray the Holy Spirit does not lead us back into living by the law that no one can keep !
Your righteous anger shows you are in NEED of proper guidance. First of all CATHOLICS DO NOT HATE PROTESTANTS. Hating is a SIN even you should know that. Your Pride & Anger will not give you salvation just because you believe in Jesus Christ. You need to WORK on those Venial SINS because if you are purposely doing it knowing it is wrong you are committing MORTAL SIN. You believe that Jesus died for you & therefore you are entitled to SALVATION is not 100% correct. What happens when a MURDERER or a RAPIST says it doesn't matter that I do ALL these evil acts SINCE I BELIEVE IN JESUS THEREFORE I WILL GO TO HEAVEN REGARDLESS OF MY EVIL ACTIONS??? God bless & don't be quick to judge others less others judge you.
Never Judge lets you be judged Sister. It's important to only show love to Catholic and protestants alike. Dont live by judging.. live by giving and by being as Jesus wanted. This is a sad post that I only angry and full of judgement that will lead you astray. Be careful. God Bless
@@richarddeerflame Telling the truth and stating facts is not judging , it seems you do not know the difference . You do not even know what the living Savior and Lord wants , have you ever read all his words in the New Testament ? So your catholic religious lament is null and void . Don't worry about me , it is your soul that is in peril . If the living Savior and Lord does not become personal to you and you be Born Again as Jesus Christ said you must to enter the Kingdom of God.......
Superfluous. Catholicism is about the doctrines commanded from the Council of Trent and Vatican II, not the bible. That is Catholicism defined or be damned. The bible is only as good as their cult leaders have told them what to believe. "Squawk, polly wants a cracker, James 2, James 2, squawk not Romans 4:5, squawk." They'd believe God was a giant chicken if their pope told them so.
@Reality Check Jesus established the Catholic Church. Jesus protects His Church through the Holy Spirit. Jesus' Church cannot teach error in matters of faith and morals. It isn't possible. Jesus' Church will last until the end of time. It is 1,989 years old and will last forever. He did NOT create ANY Protestant denominations. Not a single one. Those are all man-made. Invented by humans who disagree with Jesus' Church and deny the authority Jesus gave to His one, holy, catholic, and Apostolic Church. There are tens of thousands of Protestant denominations that all believe and teach different things. None of them have ANY authority to definitively interpret anything in Scripture. There is no higher/ultimate power to which ANY Protestant denomination can appeal when they have a disagreement. Consequently, when there is a disagreement about theology or any other matter, someone just invents their own denomination. No permission needed. In fact, all one needs to do to invent their own Protestant denomination is follow these three simple steps: 1. Find an empty room. 2. Set up some folding chairs. 3. Find some people who will believe what you tell them. That's it! It happens all the time. Jesus told the Apostles (who were the first Catholics); if you have a disagreement with your brother that can't be resolved in front of two or three witnesses, to take the matter to the Church. His Church. The Catholic Church. That was the only Church that existed at that time. Why did He say this? Because He gave His Church the authority to settle questions about Christianity. It makes perfect sense. If He is giving us His Church, then it MUST have His authority. And there must be a guarantee that we can all accept that His Church will not mislead, or misguided, or lie in all matters of faith and morals.
John Paul II, General Audience, Dec. 27, 1978 - “Jesus is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity become a man; and therefore in Jesus, human nature and therefore the whole of humanity, is redeemed, saved, ennobled to the extent of participating in ‘divine life’ by means of Grace.” John Paul II, Redemptoris Missio (# 4), Dec. 7, 1990 - “The Redemption event brings salvation to all, ‘for each one is included in the mystery of the redemption and with each one Christ has united himself forever through this mystery.’
WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT BEING A HINDU? By Francois Gautier. Diversity in Divinity and Unity in Spirituality. 1) Believe in God ! - Aastik - Accepted 2) Don't believe in God ! - You're accepted as Nastik 3) You want to worship idols - please go ahead. You are a murti pujak. 4) You dont want to worship idols - no problem. You can focus on Nirguna Brahman. 5) You want to criticise something in our religion. Come forward. We are logical. Nyaya, Tarka etc. are core Hindu schools. 6) You want to accept beliefs as it is. Most welcome. Please go ahead with it. 7) You want to start your journey by reading Bhagvad Gita - Sure ! 8) You want to start your journey by reading Upanishads - Go ahead. 9) You want to start your journey by reading Purana - Be my guest. 10) You just don't like reading Puranas or other books. No problem my dear. Go by Bhakti tradition . ( bhakti- devotion) 11) You don't like idea of Bhakti ! No problem. Do your Karma. Be a karmayogi. 12) You want to enjoy life. Very good. No problem at all. This is Charvaka Philosophy. 13) You want to abstain from all the enjoyment of life & find God - jai ho ! Be a Sadhu, an ascetic ! 14) You don't like the concept of God. You believe in Nature only - Welcome. (Trees are our friends and Prakriti or nature is worthy of worship). 15) You believe in one God or Supreme Energy. Superb! Follow Advaita philosophy 16) You want a Guru. Go ahead. Receive gyaan. 17) You don't want a Guru.. Help yourself ! Meditate, Study ! 18) You believe in Female energy ! Shakti is worshipped. 19) You believe that every human being is equal. Yeah! You're awesome, come on let's celebrate Hinduism! "Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" (the world is a family) 20) You don't have time to celebrate the festival. Don't worry. One more festival is coming! There are multiple festivals every single day of the year. 21) You are a working person. Don't have time for religion. Its okay. You will still be a Hindu. 22) You like to go to temples. Devotion is loved. 23) You don't like to go to temples - no problem. You are still a Hindu! 24) You know that Hinduism ☺ is a way of life, with considerable freedom. 25) You believe that everything has God in it. So you worship your mother, father, guru, tree, River, Prani-matra, Earth, Universe! 26) And If you don't believe that everything has GOD in it - No problems. Respect your viewpoint. 27) "Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu " (May you all live happily) You represent this! You're free to choose, my dear Hindu! This is exactly the essence of Hinduism, all inclusive .. That is why it has withstood the test of time inspite of repeated onslaught both from within and outside, and assimilated every good aspects from everything . That is why it is eternal !!! There is a saying in Rigveda , the first book ever known to mankind which depicts the Hinduism philosophy in a Nutshell -" Ano bhadrah Krathavo Yanthu Vishwathah"- Let the knowledge come to us from every direction
Yes, make the cut to heaven, do good works with your Heart and Love for JESUS CHRIST! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! JOHN 14:12-17. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he lives in you!
Outstanding historical critique. I am a Protestant, huge fan of Brant Petrie and Dr Barber, just bought his book. My late grandma is RC, I have her rosary. I am named after her brother, I have his small scapular, from 1920.
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@@BISONTHEMOON Hey Brett.
Hopefully more Catholics read this book and their Bible and understand their standing before God.
Awesome video.
Un Hoc Signo Vinces.
microphone gain is too low as background noise is loud ;) DR GRAY when are the large print editions coming out?
When and what time is the live show
Agreed. Pray for your children in a state of grace. Go to confession, pray the rosary daily, do the 5 first Saturdays, pray the binding prayer in case your children are under diabolic influence and dont be afraid to speak up and let them know you love them and want them to come to an understanding of the truth for their sake and their children.
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ephesians 2:8-9
Paul doesn't stop there. The next verse says we should walk in the good works of Jesus. Epehesisans 2:10 : For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. In other words, if you have faith in the Lord, you are saved into doing good works by him and his Grace.
@@Justin-kn6dp . The point of ephesians 2:8-9
is that salvation is a free gift from God. We can't earn it nor deserve it nor work for it. If we worked for it it would be a wage. A gift is just handed to you free of charge. Someone else paid for it. As in Jesus dieing on the cross shedding His blood as payment for our sins. Once we are saved we get to do good works. But works are not required for salvation nor are works part of salvation.
@@ewaldradavich7307 Right, but my point is many people seem to ignore verse 10 and thinking that they shouldn't do good works for God after receiving his free gift, when it's clear we should do good works as a result of our faith in what he has done for us and has offered us. That's all I'm getting at, not trying to tie it to salvation as part of his gift. I'm talking more about the faith itself as a result of his Grace.
Ave Christus Rex. Ave Maria.
what the heck is faith? and work?
For all of the discussion ... they never gave a simple, succinct answer to the fundamental question. They didn't help the average, everyday Catholic by giving them a simply answer for their protestant relative that has come over for dinner.
Ask them if Love is required for salvation....if they yes....then say ...well so much for Faith Alone....if they say that you don't need Love to be saved....give them a to go plate....and kick them out of your house....you must love your neighbor.....Faith by itself is Dead
@@newhavenfishermen Well, God IS love (Deus caritas est). You obviously need Him for salvation.
@@kdmdlo Jon was only trying to help. Do not be so Angry when the intention is meant to help. Although, Jon returning anger by kicking a lost & misinformed brother or sister is NOT the answer too. If we want to be good example to them of LOVING our neighbor. Sometimes patience & charity are not easy to provide to those who are misinformed but we still have to keep trying to give them that patience & LOVE. Best thing is always to PRAY for those of our brothers & sisters who are still lost & trying to find answers. GOD will allow them to know him fully IN HIS TIME. PRAY instead of acting out of anger or impatience. WISHING YOU BOTH A VERY BLESSED DAY.
@@user-wg5dm6oc3t Yes, I don't disagree. I just don't think the video was particularly helpful. Just my opinion.
Correct.
We need to know the definitions of what is faith in faith alone. What are included and what are not included in faith alone.
Proper definition of faith alone will simplify the discussion on faith and works for salvation.
No one says works alone can procure salvation.
No one says one can be saved by doing works of the law. So these two aspects are non issue.
Apart from the definition of what is faith alone, we may also deliberate on what is works and why works matters to salvation.
Here works refers to works of charity in action and having the right disposition like having love for God and fellow men, forgiving others, repent of one's sins, asking for forgiveness etc.
As per Jesus' teaching, we are to do good works as a duty. Doing them pleases God and because God is pleased, God will show his mercy, kindness and give grace. In other words, good works are to be done as a duty with the objective of pleasing God. God is not obligated to reward us for doing our duty. But disobeying God will attract God's wrath.
In the end, we are saved by love.
Without faith, we cannot love. But without love, faith is dead.
architectural ambition is a very kind euphemism for the likes of Alexander VI Borgia or Julius II, these are the corrupt Dante puts in Hell.
James taught works.
Jesus also taught - No Works - No Salvation.
“Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons. For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink. I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’ “Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’
“And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’
“And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.” The Book Of Matthew
The good works universalism at the end seems very heretical. People who know about Jesus -- that is everybody alive today! -- and then reject Him for Buddha or Muhammed, etc. are breaking the first commandment. Jesus said if, "you deny me before men, I will deny you before the Father." He also said, "Apart from me you can do nothing." Buddha is not going to save you. Neither is Muhammed. A Buddhist or a Muslim (an atheist for that matter) might seem on the outside a nice person who follows his conscience, but one really be good without the grace of Jesus Christ? I don't think so.
I'm not saying a Muslim or a Buddhist will or won't be saved. But my suggestion for you is, "judge not, lest ye be judged". In other words, stay in your lane and let God deal with judgement. Just pray that all people may be brought into the fullness of the light, through Christ's body the Church.
@@kdmdlo You don't understand God or the Bible. Jesus -- God -- said, "narrow is the way to salvation and few there are who find it." That takes the guess work out of it. He also said very clearly, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me." That also leaves no room for guess work -- and no room for Muslims or Buddhists or anyone who explicitly deny Jesus. He said, "If you deny me before men, I will deny you before my Father in Heaven." Pretty clear. It is not I who am doing the judging, my friend. It is our Lord. I'm only listening to what He said, whereas you refuse to do so and are actually denying what He said. It is my lane to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. It is your lane too. I suggest you follow that lane, for it is the narrow way to Heaven, as Jesus Christ Himself said. Listen and obey.
@@scottanderson9382 Well, to begin, you are correct. I don't understand God. But, then again, anyone who says they do ... is simply showing their ignorance (and their sinful pride). As for the rest, you simply don't know the mind of God any more than I do. And, while His justice is important ... so too is His infinite divine mercy. My suggestion would be to do your best, encourage others to love and serve God (and their neighbors) and stop with the judgement. Pax Christi.
@@kdmdlo you are acting as if Jesus Christ never walked among us and established the Kingdom of Heaven on earth as He said and spoke for there years as recorded by those who knew Him and established a church that is still with us today. You seem to want to ignore all that and pretend that nobody knows the mind of our Lord, when Jesus Himself does not leave us that option. He said that anyone who hears His words and does them is like a else man ago built his house on the rock and anyone ago ignores the words is like a foolish man who built this house on the sand. Jesus Christ came in the flesh and He is God and you can and must trust what He said. We do know what He said because it is written down for us and passed down for us by His apostles and His church. He said few will be saved and only those who hear The words and follow them. If you hear His words, do not harden your heart, for today is the day of salvation.
@@c.s.froggis9982 Yes, and He very clearly said, "Judge not, lest ye be judged." My suggestion is that you should stop selectively obeying God.
This seems like an inaccurate portrayal of how protestants view sola fide, grace, salvation, etc. Atleast from a reformed protestant view. When he references ezekiel in how it is *God* that causes us to act in accordance with His statutes, how is this not the same as what Protestants state? Thats how I was taught it in my reformed understanding. Its definitely not the “presumptuous, lukewarm” characterization this guy gives at the beginning as an extreme. That “lukewarm, God will do everything I do nothing” sort of attitude is what other protestants accuse reformed of being, but this is not what they state or live out when they claim irresistible grace or eternal security, I would point to Romans 6 as response, as why else would Paul need to address this accusation from devout Jews that desired works of the law for justification? Paul needed to specify that this free grace was not a license to sin, yet why need the specification? Because a salvation by grace is truly an act fully of God, not of the person. Protestants stress works of righteousness just the same yet the purpose of them is never in regard to Justification. I mean this was Luther’s whole point, the initial Justification is the full justification, and the subsequent walk of faith is not to earn that previous justification but to live in obedience to the Spirit’s sanctification. Its intrinsically different in view, but outwardly it looks the same when comparing a faithful catholic to a faithful protestant.
Just to ask plainly: How can you state Salvation is by Grace(unearned favor) and a “full work of God” as you claim when good deeds that sustain this “Justification after initial justification” are by nature transactional/earned, how is this not contradictory? A genuine faith is accompanied by works of faith but every informed protestant will tell you this is by nature of the Holy Spirit’s salvific/transformative nature in us, not of ourselves striving to upkeep right-standing with God. This reality is how we view verses like James 2 for example.
"BY Grace, are ye saved through Faith, not of your works" (where the works refers to the Grace & not the Faith)
The Grace comes from God in the form.of thw holy Communion, taken directly into the mouth & not receiving in the hands, cause hands denote the wages of our works.
Now Faith, is the revelation of "Give unto God what is to God" , even as it is written , it is impossible to please God without Faith, & if God be not pleased there be no saving .
Faith has its works within , for as is writers Faith without works is dead"
And that which specifically constitute the Faith is denoted by the Bronze Image of St.Peter in Peters Basilica so it is ::
"The Communion which is the Grace is received through Faith"
JESUS DIED TO ATONE FOR OUR SINS & OPEN THE GATES OF HEAVEN AGAIN FOR US SINCE GOD CLOSED IT DUE TO ADAM & EVE'S SIN/DISOBEDIENCE. JESUS DYING FOR OUR US DOES NOT GUARANTEE WE WILL GET TO HEAVEN IF WE KEEP SINNING & DOING NOTHING TO SHOW GOD WE LOVE HIM FIRST & FOREMOST. PART OF LOVING GOD IS HELPING OUR FAMILY & OTHERS TO ALSO LOVE HIM. THIS TAKES WORK. THE MOST BASIC WORK THAT ALL CHRISTIANS DO IS PRAY & ATTEND MASS/CHURCH. THEN OTHERS DO EVEN MORE BY EVANGELIZING, HELPING THE POOR & DOING VOLUNTEER WORK IN OUR CHURCH COMMUNITY TO HELP OTHERS TO GROW IN LOVING GOD. THOSE ARE ALL WORKS. FAITH & WORKS, WORK HAND IN HAND. BOTH ARE NEEDED FOR SALVATION BUT ALWAYS BY THE GRACE OF GOD. NARROW IS THE WAY TO SALVATION/HEAVEN. JESUS DID SAY THAT. IF ALL ARE SAVE WHY WOULD JESUS SAY IT IS NARROW PATH TO HEAVEN & WIDE IS THE PATH TO HELL.
Why all caps? It is very difficult to read when your message is in all caps!
@@hotconcrete unfortunately no reply.. Often people post and leave and never come back .
Spiritual Entitlement
If catholics do not understand what they even believe concerning being saved speaks to the fallacy's the catholic religion teaches . Guess what M.Luther had it right we are saved by Grace through Faith not of works les one boast . Yet all you catholics hate M.Luther and constantly lament about the protestants and yet it is you catholics that believe in false doctrines and most of you are not even saved ! Mr. Tim Gray the Holy Spirit does not lead us back into living by the law that no one can keep !
Your righteous anger shows you are in NEED of proper guidance. First of all CATHOLICS DO NOT HATE PROTESTANTS. Hating is a SIN even you should know that. Your Pride & Anger will not give you salvation just because you believe in Jesus Christ. You need to WORK on those Venial SINS because if you are purposely doing it knowing it is wrong you are committing MORTAL SIN. You believe that Jesus died for you & therefore you are entitled to SALVATION is not 100% correct. What happens when a MURDERER or a RAPIST says it doesn't matter that I do ALL these evil acts SINCE I BELIEVE IN JESUS THEREFORE I WILL GO TO HEAVEN REGARDLESS OF MY EVIL ACTIONS??? God bless & don't be quick to judge others less others judge you.
Never Judge lets you be judged Sister. It's important to only show love to Catholic and protestants alike. Dont live by judging.. live by giving and by being as Jesus wanted. This is a sad post that I only angry and full of judgement that will lead you astray. Be careful. God Bless
@@richarddeerflame Telling the truth and stating facts is not judging , it seems you do not know the difference . You do not even know what the living Savior and Lord wants , have you ever read all his words in the New Testament ? So your catholic religious lament is null and void . Don't worry about me , it is your soul that is in peril . If the living Savior and Lord does not become personal to you and you be Born Again as Jesus Christ said you must to enter the Kingdom of God.......
Superfluous. Catholicism is about the doctrines commanded from the Council of Trent and Vatican II, not the bible. That is Catholicism defined or be damned. The bible is only as good as their cult leaders have told them what to believe. "Squawk, polly wants a cracker, James 2, James 2, squawk not Romans 4:5, squawk." They'd believe God was a giant chicken if their pope told them so.
Those councils used scripture to back up their teaching. Explain Romans 2:6-8 for me.
Yes, there is indeed a problem with Catholicism and her doctrines but name calling doesn’t help.
@Reality Check Jesus established the Catholic Church. Jesus protects His Church through the Holy Spirit. Jesus' Church cannot teach error in matters of faith and morals. It isn't possible.
Jesus' Church will last until the end of time. It is 1,989 years old and will last forever.
He did NOT create ANY Protestant denominations. Not a single one. Those are all man-made. Invented by humans who disagree with Jesus' Church and deny the authority Jesus gave to His one, holy, catholic, and Apostolic Church.
There are tens of thousands of Protestant denominations that all believe and teach different things. None of them have ANY authority to definitively interpret anything in Scripture. There is no higher/ultimate power to which ANY Protestant denomination can appeal when they have a disagreement. Consequently, when there is a disagreement about theology or any other matter, someone just invents their own denomination. No permission needed. In fact, all one needs to do to invent their own Protestant denomination is follow these three simple steps:
1. Find an empty room.
2. Set up some folding chairs.
3. Find some people who will believe what you tell them.
That's it! It happens all the time.
Jesus told the Apostles (who were the first Catholics); if you have a disagreement with your brother that can't be resolved in front of two or three witnesses, to take the matter to the Church. His Church. The Catholic Church. That was the only Church that existed at that time. Why did He say this? Because He gave His Church the authority to settle questions about Christianity.
It makes perfect sense. If He is giving us His Church, then it MUST have His authority. And there must be a guarantee that we can all accept that His Church will not mislead, or misguided, or lie in all matters of faith and morals.
Please, he is "Saint Paul", not just "Paul". That relating isn't catholic of you.
The BIBLE DOES NOT call him saint Paul but Paul. He is a bondservant of Christ Jesus.
We know his stand.
John Paul II, General Audience, Dec. 27, 1978 -
“Jesus is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity become a man; and
therefore in Jesus, human nature and therefore the whole of humanity, is
redeemed, saved, ennobled to the extent of participating in ‘divine life’
by means of Grace.”
John Paul II, Redemptoris Missio (# 4), Dec. 7, 1990 -
“The Redemption event brings salvation to all, ‘for each one is included in the mystery of the redemption and with each one Christ has united himself forever through this mystery.’
Are you able to quote the same from the BIBLE?
WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT BEING A HINDU?
By Francois Gautier.
Diversity in Divinity and Unity in Spirituality.
1) Believe in God ! - Aastik - Accepted
2) Don't believe in God ! - You're accepted as Nastik
3) You want to worship idols - please go ahead. You are a murti pujak.
4) You dont want to worship idols - no problem. You can focus on Nirguna Brahman.
5) You want to criticise something in our religion. Come forward. We are logical. Nyaya, Tarka etc. are core Hindu schools.
6) You want to accept beliefs as it is. Most welcome. Please go ahead with it.
7) You want to start your journey by reading Bhagvad Gita - Sure !
8) You want to start your journey by reading Upanishads - Go ahead.
9) You want to start your journey by reading Purana - Be my guest.
10) You just don't like reading Puranas or other books. No problem my dear. Go by Bhakti tradition . ( bhakti- devotion)
11) You don't like idea of Bhakti ! No problem. Do your Karma. Be a karmayogi.
12) You want to enjoy life. Very good. No problem at all. This is Charvaka Philosophy.
13) You want to abstain from all the enjoyment of life & find God - jai ho ! Be a Sadhu, an ascetic !
14) You don't like the concept of God. You believe in Nature only - Welcome. (Trees are our friends and Prakriti or nature is worthy of worship).
15) You believe in one God or Supreme Energy. Superb! Follow Advaita philosophy
16) You want a Guru. Go ahead. Receive gyaan.
17) You don't want a Guru.. Help yourself ! Meditate, Study !
18) You believe in Female energy ! Shakti is worshipped.
19) You believe that every human being is equal. Yeah! You're awesome, come on let's celebrate Hinduism!
"Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" (the world is a family)
20) You don't have time to celebrate the festival.
Don't worry. One more festival is coming! There are multiple festivals every single day of the year.
21) You are a working person. Don't have time for religion. Its okay. You will still be a Hindu.
22) You like to go to temples. Devotion is loved.
23) You don't like to go to temples - no problem. You are still a Hindu!
24) You know that Hinduism ☺ is a way of life, with considerable freedom.
25) You believe that everything has God in it. So you worship your mother, father, guru, tree, River, Prani-matra, Earth, Universe!
26) And If you don't believe that everything has GOD in it - No problems. Respect your viewpoint.
27) "Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu " (May you all live happily)
You represent this! You're free to choose, my dear Hindu!
This is exactly the essence of Hinduism, all inclusive .. That is why it has withstood the test of time inspite of repeated onslaught both from within and outside, and assimilated every good aspects from everything . That is why it is eternal !!!
There is a saying in Rigveda , the first book ever known to mankind which depicts the Hinduism philosophy in a Nutshell -" Ano bhadrah Krathavo Yanthu Vishwathah"- Let the knowledge come to us from every direction
Yes, make the cut to heaven, do good works with your Heart and Love for JESUS CHRIST! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! JOHN 14:12-17. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he lives in you!