@@michelhaineault6654 - Agree. Sir. And there is a HUGE AND FATAL difference between Oneness and Trinitarian theology. In Deuteronomy 6:4, it declares Gd is One, and in Deuteronomy 4:15-16 states God has NO form or image: *"Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of form on the day that the LRD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the form of any figure, the likeness of MALE or female."* In this passage, we see clearly there is only One God that is the source of all things, and, that this Spirit-entity has NO HUMAN FORM! ☝🏾👀 Let me repeat - God has NO HUMAN FORM !! The Catholic Trinity doctrine declares that Gd has a human form, which is Jesus in the flesh! This is the grave sin of PURE IDOLATRY ! 🤷🏽♂️ Trinity MISREPRESENTS the ALL-PRESENT nature of God by reducing God to human flesh! It also limits believer's faith in God, as God in all His glory has a human body, a face, a skin color, and is at a location! Help us! 🤦🏽♂️ So that is the danger with Trinitarian doctrine. Although they would declare God is All-Present, they insist God is the body and blood of Jesus! This teaching contradicts God's prohibitions against making ANY form or image to idolize! *Oneness may have their flaws, but at least, they along with Biblical Unitarians, are closer to the truth than the Trinitarians.* My Kind Regards🙏🏽 :)
@@mtalk828 Of course God is Spirit but GOD WAS MANIFEST IN FLESH as Jesus say John 14:8-27 KJV Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? IF YOU SE ME YOU SEE THE FATHER . And yes we are absolutely not trinitarians.
We’ve made the conversion to Orthodoxy after spending years as oneness Pentecostals..It was a 4 year process of deep study and having to confront some hard questions…In the end by reading the early Church Fathers the truth becomes undeniable.
I feel like a better grasp of truth comes not from "early Church Fathers" but from the Scriptures, no? I mean, are we Protestants or not?? Sola Scriptura...
Reading the early church fathers convinced you? If by conversion to “Orthodoxy” you mean that you converted to a form of trinitarian doctrine, then you didn't study deeply enough. All iterations of the doctrine of the Trinity (DT) entail logical contradictions which render them false by definition. The Achilles' heel of the DT is its inability to avoid composition in the Godhead or other contradictions in the attempt to avoid composition. You jumped out of what you thought was the frying pan into the fire.
Certainly wasn't Ignatius, or Clement, you must have read some later johnny come lately Post Apostolic Fathers. So you know if Justin or Origen was in that mix, you missed they believed in 2 gods and a subordinationist view. Maybe Tertullian was your fellow, ah but he stated "of whom the greater portion of believers is always comprised- inasmuch as the rule of Faith withdraws them from the many gods of the world in to the one true God,shrink from the economy( the Trinity idea) ...They are constantly throwing out the accusation that we preach two goss and three gods...We hold they say , the monarchy. Glad I'm numbered with the one true God followers and the majority ca 210a.d. and Trinies hold 2 and 2 gods as they stated back 1800 yrs. From Against Praxes. Oneness Pentecostals is the church not like your religion found in Rev. 17:5.
@@undignified2843Which ones? Surely someone somewhere said something about a Trinity, as it isn't in scriptures, taught by Jesus, or Apostles or Disciples!! Not even implied, but deduced by men who rejected the true Orthodoxy Monarchian Monotheism.
@@thereisnopandemic,Galatians 3:20-22 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition 20 Now a go-between (intermediary) has to do with and implies more than one party [there can be no mediator with just one person]. Yet God is [only] one Person [and He was the sole party in giving that promise to Abraham. Wrong aren't you, now show me that God is three persons! Kenneth Weiss Weiss word studies from the Greek New Testament volume 1 page 106 quote "The word "one" is masculine engender and therefore is personal referring to a person." Each time the Greek New Testament uses the word one in reference to God it implies the numeral "Heis" . See the following verses Mark 2 and 7 Mark 10:18 Mark 12 and 29 Luke 1819 Romans 3:30 1st Corinthians 8 and 4 1st Corinthians 8 and 6 Galatians 3:20 Ephesians 4 and 6 for Timothy 2 and 5 James two and 19.
@@BibleAnswerMan, you folks are following an ancient pagan Triad with biblical names such as Father Son and Holy Ghost. It is Catholicism and you are the Harlot daughters Revelation 17 and 5. Baptism was always done in the name of Jesus never was it ever done in the title's father Son and Holy Ghost that is the Catholic false baptism you people sucked at their table and accepted it. The true original Orthodoxy was modalistic monarchism. The true Christians were Oneness and belief Jesus name in baptism, baptized in the spirit with speaking in other tongues as the spirit gives the utterance. Historically in the first century Bible they never spoke of the trinity. In the second century they were monarchy ends they never spoke of the Trinity, finally in the third century tertullian spoke of Trinitas or Trinity in the Latin, he also stated that the majority of believers didn't accept what he was shoveling ( my word for it). Many of your early fathers this is Justin Martyr was a two God believer Origen believe in subordination an Jesus as another god. Or logos. Tell me who was God in John 1:1?
Whoever the speaker is here seems to be a bit on the backward side, we have plenty of evidence of Monarchian doctrine taught in scriptures and then I to the 1st century seen in Ignatius writings. Virginia Corwin historian stated in St.Ignatius a Christianity in Antioch pg 126 "If one term must be chosen to indicate the tendency of his thought, Ignatius must be said to be monarchian". I challenge the author of said stream who made statements of a Trinity in 1st or 2nd century? Who used the language of the trinitarians anywhere in scripture? We cannot find it and THEY CANNOT? NO Trinity, the Trinity, triune godhead, 3 persons, persons, 3 beings, three individuals, god the son, god the HS, eternal son, and others! The. We go to Clement Bishop of Rome and he says absolutely nothing of the true heresy the Trinity godhead or triad! A doctrine of 3 god ( idea taken from Trinitarian Jimmy Swaggart God is like the word sheep, one can say 1 sheep, 2 sheep, 3 sheep or 1 god 2 god or 3 god and no support for rhia teaching, not in scriptures and not till the 3rd century was the word coined for this false teaching from Catholicism. a( the godless MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. REV.17:5 Even most Protestants during the reformation era understood that to be Rome, but blindness struck these poor fellows down, they couldn't see they were her whorish offspring. We see no developed doctrine till the 4th century and reformalized in the 5th. So whoever the fellow in the Cap followers were, they were no Christians. H we re then we see God cannot live unless other God beings are with him, but see God is not like man, God is perfect in all his ways and Love is what he is. He had no body, no mind, no heart, he only had that in his "Logos" or "Word" and that wasn't something besides him, because Omnipresent deity has no literal right side, hand, finger, arm!! He was pure and Love was shown outward and not just inward in "Time". I would be careful calling God defective was hen scriptures ask who was there when he created and the answer was no one, yet Trinitarians say NO! God you had two other fellows. Utter nonsense, He was alone, by himself, was a Holy One, not a unholy 3! See that number three was the ancient pagan philosophers and godless mankind idea . We see all the cultures around God's people holding to three in a deity, just like Catholics and her harlot offspring. In Egypt there was Isis, Horus and Seb, in other nations they had 3 named a Father figure, a Son figure and a Mother or Spirit figure. Next to liken us to Muslim idea is ludicrous, when antedate Trinitarian thinkers like Justin, Theophilus, Origen, Tertullian, and Hippolytus. J.N.D. Kelly stated that "Zephyrinus and Callistus were thus conservatives holding fast to a MONARCHIAN tradition which antedated the whole movement of thought inaugurated the Apologists". pg 125 Thus the Bishops of Rome were Monarchians , not only Kelly stated it but Adolph Harnack as well in History of Dogma, he counted a succession of such Bishops from Eleutherus, Victor, Zephyrinus and Callistus as Monarchians. I state none of the Bishops were trinitarians, as it was birthed from hell yet in the world under such church or doctrine. Tertullian and Origen both made statements that the majority in their day were not following their idea of the economy (The Trinity of three in one), they rejected Tertullian as a preacher of 2 and 3 God's as we Oneness do today of your ilk. Surprising how so many of the Trinies chase after godless believers in 2 gods like Justin and Origen. Then there is Hippolytus, the anti-Bishop of Rome, excommunicated by a Monarchian. CRI guy was defeated by Robert Sabin when Rob Bowman thought he was going against someone who was a heretic and who handed him his head. Trinies try and smear us, but it is they in total error, no baptism in Bible done in their formula, but we unlike their church didn't kill people like the Catholics over baptism. We didn't kill their people we were the Christians. This fellow misleads the woman with lies about us requiring Jesus name baptism seen in Acts 2,8,10,19, clearly all done in the name is the point, not done in titles that were never repeated ... Once! Show me the passage, they can't, they wish it away with crazy idea of "authority" only. Kulwant Singh Boora a Minister and Attorney has compiled around 625 historical and reference quotes from scholars showing the original and true baptism was in the name of Jesus Christ . Book 17 Baptism in the name of Jesus. Then you attack the word of God and the original Orthodoxy. Monarchians and Holiness or legalism as you state ( seems rather absurd, since your own churches once held the same standards till you abandoned them. Dr.Clinton Willis and Delroy Gayle have shown that the Trinies used force against us because of our formula for theirs. That's how you people do things. I'll finish with this Michael Servetus was burned at the stake along with 80 other Monarchians in Geneva, this was done by John Calvin and Ferrell the church leaders, that is the Protestants for you, just like Mother.
This holy faith would be lacking w/out the knowledge of the Godhead, the Creator as one, the fullness of God is revealed in holy scripture Old & New Test, otherwise there is an imposing &, or twisting of the word. There is a power, beauty, majesty & mystery in the Trinity
There is a big fat lie to it. See my response to this posting by CRI. I reject the false Trinity, came out of it at age 20 when I received real salvation and the Biblical plan regarding The one True God Jesus and the water baptism in his name and Spirit baptism, being born of the water and the Spirit.
Greetings. In my view it is not necessarily so, that God being love demands an object of his love. If one argues from the point of view that the Father is love, and that the objects of his love, are the Son and the Holy Spirit, then who has been the eternal object of the love of the one God? Why was not the trinity mentioned or inferred in Acts 2:38; 8:14-16; 10:47:48; 19:5? Speaking of the incomprehensibility of God, can the same not be said of the God of the oneness movement?
The resolution of the Jerusalem Council did maintain the prohibition of eating blood and strangled animals. Of course, this was a reference to a universal principle from times a Noah well before the ratification of the Mosaic dietary laws (Gen. 9:4). Jesus Christ, of course, declared all foods clean (See Mark 7:19). Christians are never to make food an issue of division whether on the side of abstinence or indulgence (Rm. 14:20-23)..
What is very serious is that Oneness Pentecostals sometimes hide in the leadership of non-denominational Pentecostal organizations without censure. I once ignorantly got involved with a church that was Oneness Pentecostal. They had split off from a non-denominational church, but that was not the issue. Church leadership was constantly splitting, sometimes over personality differences. When I discovered that the pastor was Oneness, I described it as him holding the doctrine in his back pocket and not telling people what he believed until he had a following. To my dismay very few in the congregation even understood the issue. When a group is more about emotional experience and not about the foundational doctrines of Christ, you are in deep trouble. I left his group and many did also, but the pastor went on for years and is still out there somewhere. I discovered that one of his problems was that he was so against the Catholic Church of his heritage, that he accepted the lie that the Trinity and other doctrines came into the Church with Constantine. But this man taught for years in the church I was attending before the split, with his heresy completely unaddressed by leadership.
Wow, thanks for sharing that, been seeing similar cases here in San Diego Ca. The wolves in sheep's clothing sneak into the flock and start working from within. And Oneness sounds so similar to the Trinity when it is explained, that those who aren't well equipped in sound doctrine can easily get deceived. That's why now a days when I share the Gospel, I make clear emphasis on the Trinity and how necessary it is for Salvation and preaching the true Gospel. 1 John 2:22-24 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
That has been my experience with them. They are quick to condemn the trinity as sin or a doctrine of devils but will then hide that they are oneness to join trinitarian circles or churches. They are deceiving and being deceived.
I'm trying to understand what you mean the Catholic church of his heritage. Oneness do not believe that the Catholic church is even true. My pastor started last year for 3 months to preach at a Baptist Church and that Baptist Church this year is turning over at the end of this month of April their Church to our church because we were preaching and witnessing and going to the nursing home to have Bible studies with people. The Baptist Church had fallen to 11 members of which about half will stay after we take over. He taught the Oneness Apostolic doctrine from the word go. If they didn't want to have heard it anymore they could have had him stop at any time but they let him do it for 3 months none converted yet, but they know he is preaching out of the Bible and what it says. The church seats about 200 people all furnishings all monies in the bank are being turned over to our church. This church was around since the late 19th century. We do not hide anything under a bushel.
Constantine was never saved he he was baptized on his deathbed in the MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT MOTHER OF HARLOTS RELIGION, a false triad religion. You are from Catholic heresy Rev17:5 that is your false pagan triad worshipping religion
Love is what God is by nature, which doesn't necessitate an existing object of His love. In any event believers have alway been the object of his love, as God calls he things that are not as though they were. God being love, doesn't only mean the love of the Father, but the love of the one God. Who is the eternal object of the love of the one God?
A strict monotheistic deity, such as held among Oneness Pentecostals, is morally deficient particularly with respect to love. See www.equip.org/articles/allah-the-trinity-and-divine-love/#christian-books-3
I am familiar with that line of reasoning, which suggests that God by nature cannot be love unless there is another person beside him, to love. When the scriptures say God is love, is it referring to the Father or the one God? All of mankind, has eternally been the object of God's love, based on his eternal foreknowledge. (1)Your position has to state who was the eternal love of the one God, if the object must exist. (2)Your position must prove why an object of his love, must always exist, in order to be the object of his love. (3)Your are indirectly stating that believers in Christ, as well as the rest of mankind, were never objects of his live, simply because none existed in eternity. Is this the view you hold to?
Because the bible never says the distinction is personhood. Not all oneness are pentecostal even. Made made religions you say. Who came up with trinity?
@bible1st To be precise, not all Pentecostals are Oneness Pentecostals. The Trinity is an essential Christian doctrine rooted in the Scriptures. The word "Trinity" was coined to encapsulate the teachings from the Bible. See www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-the-trinity-biblical-/ www.equip.org/articles/understanding-nicene-trinitarianism/ and www.equip.org/articles/how-was-orthodoxy-established-in-the-ecumenical-councils/
@@BibleAnswerMan I am very well versed in the scriptures. So the " trinity" is not rooted in the scriptures. That is a major point you have wrong. The fact that God is ONE is well rooted in the scriptures. But all these terms like ( trinity, triune, 3 persons, coequal, coeternal) none of these words are actually in the bible. Trinity people say that Jesus is not the Father. That is ridiculous. Trinity people have to ignore a lot of scriptures to uphold there false view of "3 persons" it's simply not the truth. I have read the entire Bible kjv 4 times and studied for over 20 years and put thousands of hours into studying the bible. So I think I know what I am talking about.
I am a non religious FOLLOWER OF THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE -JESUS CHRIST. Scripture tells over and over that there IS ONE GOD. YHWH CAME in the FLESH and when He ASCENDED to Heaven the HOLY SPIRIT WAS SENT TO US. IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD WAS GOD. I'M NOT A PENTECOSTAL NOR BELONG TO ANY OTHER RELIGION. I HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH YHWH WHO IS JESUS IN THE FLESH-MY CREATOR AND MY MESSIAH ❤ HE IS THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, NOT THREE PERSONS IN ONE, BUT ONE TRUE LIVING ELOHIM. AMEN AND AMEN ❤ Zechariah 12:10 Is very clear. There are many verses in SCRIPTURE ABOUT MONOTHEISM. Blessings 💙
You are created in the image of God, as a soul/conscience (1)spirit/breath of life, (2) with a body (3) as one person. In Jesus christ the fullness of the Diety (the creator/Everlasting father)lives in bodily form, in the body/lamb of God as one person and one God. Because conscienceness can not exist without life, and life can not exist without consciousness, and work and do in a body. Question, are you three persons, with three different minds, but you still in God's image?
read that carefully. then read acts 2:38 Peter tells you what that name is. of the Father, The Son And The Holy Spirit. people keep missing in the name of....
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
You can do it either way because we are saved by grace and we baptized as symbol of new creature. We do not baptize for remission of sins. That was a preach to Jews. The problem with oneness is that they dont rightly divide the scriptures. Also that God revelead the gospel of salvation to Paul Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Every single explanation in defense of the trinity uses the exact same tactic of placing human limitations on God and of judging God from a human's perspective. It is like clockwork. This explanation first ASSUMES facts that are not at all facts when it claims that God is MORALLY DEFECTIVE? because He doesn't "exercise the attributes of love"? First of all, God CREATED morality. HE and ONLY He defines love and we are not even close to any position of judging Him, or how He does or doesn't do anything. WE do not define these things and then decide God can't be this, or can't do that, because OUR "contrived" definitions don't allow for it. That is not only nonsense but ARROGANCE to the highest degree. We are to take what the Bible teaches and we make THAT our Truth. We accept THAT as the definition of morality and of love. God exercised the greatest love possible with ALL that He has done for mankind. The entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, makes God out to be ONE single, solitary, individual. There is NOTHING, and no one, above Him in any way, shape or form and He declares that He shares His glory with no other person. (Isaiah 42:8) If anybody wants to hold fast to any popular concepts concerning God or the Bible today, I highly suggest they find the plain teachings of them in God's Word. The teaching of a trinity concept, that God is three people, exists NOWHERE in ALL of Scripture. That's all there is to it.
@@starlodear2987 The trinity denies God's glory. Isaiah 42:8 God says He shares His glory with no 'other.' Three persons would qualify as 'others.' Dividing God into three not only divides His glory, and diminishes it, but it also causes those who accept, and embrace, such heresy to be worshiping an idol, a false representation of God, as the Bible does not represent God as three persons. Find the "TEACHING" of the trinity concept, that God is three persons, in the Bible and then you can preach the concept to others. Until then, you are not supported by the Bible in preaching such a concept. To take verses and claim they are referring to a concept that doesn't exist in Scripture is very dishonest. Find the "TEACHING" for yourself in the Bible, don't just take some random Pastor's word for it. Good luck and God bless.
@@ntxn9336 - There is a HUGE AND FATAL difference between Oneness and Trinitarian theology: In Deuteronomy 6:4, it declares Gd is One, and in Deuteronomy 4:15-16 states Gd has NO form or image: *"Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of form on the day that the LRD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the form of any figure, the likeness of MALE or female."* In this passage, we see clearly there is only One Gd that is the source of all things, and, that this Spirit-entity has NO HUMAN FORM! 🫣 Let me repeat - Gd has NO HUMAN FORM !! Your Catholic Trinity doctrine declares that Gd has a human form, which is Jesus in the flesh! This is the grave sin of PURE IDOLATRY !
To say there are three persons , you are saying there is three God's. Scripture says the lord thy God is one , his name is Jesus. Jesus said to Philip, when you see me , you see the father. There are many other Scriptures aswell.
@@kimmykimko no you are mistaken. It never says there are three person ever. It also never says God the son but rather the son of God. Isaiah 9:6 says the child (Jesus) is the almighty God and everlasting father. Go read it.
@@BibleAnswerMan To be clear, I wasn't saying all misrepresentation is intentional, nor accusing you of that. Many people don't take the time to look at what we actually teach, and base their judgement on what others have told them, which was the point I was making. Since you asked, as a Oneness Pentecostal, I have issues with a majority of the video, particularly some of your evidence for the trinity, but here are two points that stood out as misinterpretations... For starters, you claimed at 1:47 that muslim ideas crept into Oneness Pentecostalism. Muslims are Unitarians, not Oneness, so there is a difference. If you're aware of our history, we came out of trinitarianism through biblical study. You claimed at 2:30 while going after our "legalistic issues", you claim that we ascribe to rebaptism with speaking in tongues. I have no idea what you mean by "rebaptism", but it's vague enough to make it sound like we require people to speak in tongues when they are water baptized. We do teach that speaking in tongues is the initial evidence that you recieve the Holy Spirit, but not proof youve been water baptized.
It’s interesting that the apostles spent personal time with Jesus when he was on the earth. Jesus taught them. They were to be the launchers of this New Testament salvation. Do you think those apostles got it wrong when they baptized believers in Jesus name. After all Jesus commanded them to go and teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the son, and of the holy Spirit. I think He taught them well. They knew His name. Jesus was God (the Father) who manifested Himself in the flesh (son of God). He would indwell His believers by His holy Spirit. Matthew 28:19, Acts 2:38: 19:1-5, 1 Timothy 3:16. The godhead was errantly redefined as a trinity of 3 beings. The apostles were strict monotheists. They believed one God was their Father. And Jesus taught the disciples that it was He who walked among them in the son of God. Colossians 2:8-12. John 14:8-10. He was God with us (Emanuel) Isaiah 9:6, Matt 1:23 Jehovah/Yahweh said every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. It was said of Jesus, that at His name every knee shall bow…..and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” To the glory of God the Father because He is God the father in human form as a son. Just ONE God. Not three. Philippians 2:11 KJV
@mebonweb578 Jesus taught them to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is in no contradiction to baptism in Jesus name. The latter abbreviates the former. See www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-oneness-pentecostalism-biblical-/
@@BibleAnswerMan That’s exactly my point. If you were raised apostolic you should know the apostles obeyed the command of that great commission by baptizing in the name Jesus in every case in the Acts of the Apostles. No contradiction to Matthew 28:19 but rather the fulfillment of it.
Ok Hank I will give you some thing to think about. We believe God is the Father, he created us. Jesus the Son is God man in flesh and we believe in the Holy Spirit, the presence and power of God. Are they 3 persons and will you see 3 bodies in heaven? No they have 3 roles that are necessary for our salvation. Allow me to explain, only a true human could die for our sins and could take our place and shed his blood. So Jesus had to be the Son of God in order to die for our sins. But in order for the Son to be born, no human could do that, God had to be the Father of that baby born in the womb of a virgin and then salvation is not just because of what happened 2ooo years ago. It has to be applied to our lives today. How does that happen God comes to us in his Spirit, so God's not eternally 3 persons named Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But God has operated in our lives as Father, Son, and Spirit for the specific purpose of redeeming us, or saving us from sin. So with that as a background 3 persons but 1 God would be a distortion because it interjects this idea that in the nature of God there is some separation, or distinction, or division which is not practical for these reasons : who are we praying to 1, or 3, when you get to heaven who are we going to see, are we going to see 1, are we going to see 3. That makes a difference who is our faith in and the significance of the name of Jesus. We need to understand because when we pray in Jesus name we expect demons to be cast out ( Mark 16: 17 ); ( Luke 8:26- 29 ); ( Acts 19:13- 17; 16:16- 29; 8:9- 22 ), people to be delivered, and healed ( Matthew 9:2, 22 ); ( Acts 3:6; 19:11, 12 ); ( Mark 16:18 ), and receive the Holy Spirit ( John 20:22 ); ( Acts 2: 4, 38; 19:2- 6 );( Romans 8:5- 8;16:25 ); (1 Corinthians 2:14 ); ( Galatians 1: 12, * 1:8, 9 ). But if the emphasis is on Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the name of Jesus isn't magnified and we don't receive what God wants to give us. So there are a lot of practical reasons we need to know the answer to this question and if there is any message in scripture that's emphasized it's in ( Deuteronomy 6:4 ) Hear o Israel the Lord your God is 1 Lord , and said by Lord Jesus in ( Mark 12:29 ). This 1 you have to get right.
@Lostandfoundrecipes-lz2mm Well there is a misapprehension of the Trinity. Though the persons of the Godhead can manifest in threes, so at Jesus' baptism, The Son' is praying, the Spirit descends as a dove, and a voice from Heaven speaks. Seewww.equip.org/articles/understanding-nicene-trinitarianism/ www.equip.org/articles/how-was-orthodoxy-established-in-the-ecumenical-councils/ www.equip.org/articles/allah-the-trinity-and-divine-love/#christian-books-3
then why did the Apostles preach not teach the trinity nor did none of the Prophets of old. trinity came around the 3 or4 century and scripture itself tells us that God is one. because most do not understand how God functions as one is what brought trinity into play in the first place. i do not believe the trinity nor do i believe oneness . this is what i believe Deuteronomy 6:4-15 King James Version 4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: 5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: Isaiah 44:6-8 King James Version 6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. 7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. 8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. this by itself say it all.
You were on a falls Church I bet you believe that Jesus is not the One True God.. see Isaiah 9 and 6 Revelations 4 and 8, Revelations 11 and 17 16 and 5 and 19 and 16. Now tell me who is being spoke of in Zech 12:10? See if you can figure that out!
Pentecostal are not the truth but their oneness (modalism) doctrine IS TOTALLY BIBLICAL. God name is I AM and not WE ARE and this name is eternal and Jesus is I AM being God manifest in the flesh....
How can modalism be true if Jesus was on earth, the Spirit was descending on Him like a dove and a voice from Heaven was saying "this is my beloved son in who I am well pleased?"
@@kimmykimko the dove was A VISION for John the Baptist as prophecy in : Jonh1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. The Holy Spirit is not a bird ! Did Jesus came for to be baptize by he Holy Spirit of for to baptize in the Holy Spirit ?
Just had someone talking over me very loudly basically telling as She said she just called to invite me to her church. I told her how I cared for her and I can send her scriptures that talk of God The Father , God The Son & God The Holy Spirit she wouldn’t even hear me. I told her ? .. your not even listening to anything I say how are you being friendly to me ? Continued yelling over me I said I’m done here and I did hang up. I sent her 2 scriptures in 1st Corinthians, but 23 more 😂I didn’t send and asked her to look into it. She texted she wanted to meet in person , doesn’t do scriptures through text ( really ) .. yah like that makes sense. Sadly my heart is saddened she has a seemingly wonderful family but felt something was off but couldn’t put my finger on it. They sure get angry don’t they ❤John 8:32
I'm gonna ask you to provide the scriptures for what you say is in the book, god the son and god the HS, you are not gonna find that, this you mislead that person with a lie.She had every right to yell at a false teacher like yourself. Show me where The Trinity was stated it TAUGHT! Do you understand what it means to be taught by someone, where did Jesus sit down the Apostles and teach them!? Where did Apostles say, he is how the three person doctrine is really one God!? You make stuff up like your Catholic Mother.
Also, you have no biblical standards of Holiness I bet? Cut hair right? Jewelry right? Makeup right? Wear clothing pertaining to that as a man? So the men in your church wear clothing pertaining to women too?!like dresses, skirts? Do you go to the lake, pond, ocean in a bathing suit? Yes legalism I'm sure you'll say, while you don't follow what most Protestants used to. Look up John R Rice a Baptist several years back, he would I'm sure be ashamed of the unholy women and men in your church.
@Carlos&fams4 Cristo Amen! Check out Hank's article > www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-the-trinity-biblical-/ See also www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-oneness-pentecostalism-biblical-/
@@bobjames3748 I'm the one who posted that original comment. And Oneness Heretics are the actual false teachers. You all need to repent and submit to the True Trinitarian Gospel. Oneness also preach a works based Salvation adding water baptism, Tongues, and the possibility of loosing Salvation. Read Galatians 1:9 Read the whole book! Read Romans Read Hebrews Read your Bible for God's sake. And don't listen to man's wisdom. Gal ch.3
God never been three but he always been one and is name is I AM and not WE ARE. Roman catholic a 1 billion and they are idolaters and trinitarian ...ONLY ONE GOD THE FATHER EWHN BEEN MANIFEST IN THE FLESH ....as the son of man AND GREAT IS THIS MYSTERY 1Tim.3:16
Curious to get your response on our Trinity resources: www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-the-trinity-biblical-/ www.equip.org/articles/understanding-nicene-trinitarianism/ www.equip.org/articles/how-was-orthodoxy-established-in-the-ecumenical-councils/ and www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-oneness-pentecostalism-biblical-/
@@HolyTrinitysaveus I'm no longer subscribed to this channel. I came on this channel listening to Hank, but I couldn't continue listening to the Trinity nonsense. It's not in the Bible. God is strictly 1 person, the Father.
0:51 - "Love always requires a lover and one who is beloved and a witness to that love."
But the greatest act of love is to *lay down one's **_own_** life* to save others (John 15:13). And that's what the one true God - God _the Father_ - did. He came down from heaven, without leaving heaven, and manifested himself on earth as _his own_ flesh-and-blood Son, so that he _himself_ could go to the cross for us, shed _his own_ blood for us, lay down _his own_ life for us, and raise _himself_ from the dead...to give eternal life to all who believe on _him._
And _his_ name is the name which is above _every_ name: Jesus.
For *God [the root of David]* so loved the world, that he gave *his only begotten Son [the offspring of David],* that whosoever believeth in *HIM [JESUS, the root **_and_** the offspring of David]* should not perish, but have everlasting life.
*"I JESUS...I am THE ROOT **_and_** THE OFFSPRING of David..."* (Rev.22:16)
Before me there was no God formed neither shall there be after, beside me there is no saviour. John 3:13 no man hath ascended up to heaven accept he that hath come down from heaven even the Son of man who is in heaven. That's what he told Nicodemus the ruler of the Jews. Nicodemus I'm here before you and I'm presently in heaven. How could he say that because Jesus is the Almighty manifested in the flesh. The word made flesh and dwelt among us. For unto us a child is born and unto us a son is given and his name shall be called wonderfully counselor THE MOGHTY GOD the EVERLASTING FATHER THE PRINCE OF PEACE. THERE IS ONLY ONE EVERLASTING FATHER, ONLY ONE MIGHTY GOD. REVELATION 1 in red letters Jesus said I am the alpha and Omega the Almighty! You can't separate God into person's. Only manifestations but all the same person. Hath not one God created us all why do you deal treacherously one with another. Colossians 1:15 tells us plainly Jesus Created everything
@@BibleAnswerMan Trinity not biblical, wasn't the true Orthodoxy and is a murdering church, both Catholic and Protestant. I have posted enough responses against it. Scripturally you rape from Jesus his complete Deity, historically the proof is that Monarchians were holding Bishoprics in Rome, Antioch, Smyrna, Africa and most assuredly Jerusalem where Jewish thought was against the idea in 1st and 2nd. century. You people struggle to find anyone teaching such idea a conjuring up the word Trinity till ca 210 a.d. by Tertullian. How then was Monarchians the majority of believers and holding the Bishopric of Rome till 222a.d.? You people at CRI have done poorly from Walter Martin, Robert Bowman and yourself, most the time telling untruths. I can't even get one Trinitarian to tell us who God is in John 1:1 . Walter Martin years ago came up with false idea that pros ton theon meant face to face, it didn't! It meant in things pertaining to God in all the other places it was mentioned in N.T. Bowman did poorly versus Robert Sabin TWICE! How is it you people can mess up Jesus name baptism, Biblical Salvation, Oneness of God vs your Trinity, have absolutely no Holiness left in your churches save we count Amish or German Baptists, and then Catholic Mother of Rev.17:5 killed millions and Protestants killed ,just not in the same numbers.
Modalism always been the doctrine of the early Christians theology like Tertulian of Antioche who is born in 40 ad ! Even Jesus as the begotten son call God : My God and your God my Father and your Father.... no trinity and Jesus is THE WORD OF GOD being the eternal Spirit who in the beginning created all things by is word gen.1:1-3 and who BECAME FLESH John1:14 The trinitarians follow a false gods being in reality three different gods but of the same nature .... mmmmm what a shameful heresy, their gods also have two spirits....... But the biblical God is the Spirit as Jesus also is the Spirit being this one God IN THE FLESH 1Tim.3:16 being the word of God coming out of is mouth , not the word of a man, Jesus had the mind of the Father in bodily form
If Jesus isnt God then how are your sins paid for? Only God is perfect enough to satisfy His perfection. Your faith is in vain. Jesus is God. Father is God, Spirit is God. Just because you cant understand it, doesn't make it less true. Can you explain how Jesus healed the blind man? Fed 5k with 2 fish and 5 loaves? You cant. But you think you can understand an infinite, Holy and eternal God. Lol.
@@kimmykimko Modalism believe Jesus is God the Father in flesh butthe trinitarian believe Jesus is ''another god'' of a trinity of three different beings but God always been one and never three and '' the Word became flesh'' = God in flesh !
@@kimmykimko because Jesus is both a real man and God incarnate in him. I am in the father and the father in me. He doeth the works. As a man he got thirsty and slept. As God he healed the sick, Commanded the waves and performed all manner of miracles.
@@kimmykimkofrom a Oneness Pentecostal view Jesus was both God and man at times he acted in the full capacity 100% man role or mode as God he was able to heal, to know men sins, to forgive them of sins. There is not three persons in a godhead doing this it is Jesus alone and by himself he begat a body that was the sun the sun is the body of the eternal spirit.
@@kurtbansag935 and that name is Jesus Christ. none of the Apostles that did Baptized sad i baptize you in the name of the father in the name name of the son and in the name of the holy spirit . they said Jesus Christ or Lord Jesus. this is why the trinity is so effective in the world today, and because most people dont study to show thyself approved nor do they search the scriptures as Jesus commanded
@@kurtbansag935 that's a great question. Given that no one was baptized into the holy ghost first except Cornelius family Who received the holy ghost, and then we're baptized in Jesus name. The point here is not to be baptized under the name of each God head person. It is to first be baptized into the following of God, then under the name of Jesus by whose blood we are saved, then in the Holy Spirit for Power unto the good works of God. This is why webare to baptized in the name of the father, the son, and the holy ghost. Just remember what Jesus said about being God. He told Mary in the garden "Do not cling to me for I have not yet ascended into my Father and your Father, my God and your God. Does God have a God or does the heavenly Father have a heavenly Father? This isn't Mormonism we are talking about here bud.
@@besidethestillwaters948 That is not true at all. The only reason people is not saved is because they do not have faith in the gospel. Oneness creates confusion because I do agree there is only one GOD and there are three manifestations (why if there are three oneness does not accept tri) what I dont agree is that they teach Acts 2:38, there are dispensations in the bible, Peter preached to Jews, Jesus talked to Jews, Salvation was only for Jews. However, Gentiles were saved too, we see Cornelius but why he received the Holy Ghost before baptism? This was revelead to Paul, we are saved by the blood Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Definitely heresy! I grew up in that movement and I’m so glad my parents left when I was still a child.
you prove you don't understand scripture, God never been three but always been one and created all things by is word alone.
@@michelhaineault6654 - Agree. Sir. And there is a HUGE AND FATAL difference between Oneness and Trinitarian theology. In Deuteronomy 6:4, it declares Gd is One, and in Deuteronomy 4:15-16 states God has NO form or image: *"Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of form on the day that the LRD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the form of any figure, the likeness of MALE or female."* In this passage, we see clearly there is only One God that is the source of all things, and, that this Spirit-entity has NO HUMAN FORM! ☝🏾👀 Let me repeat - God has NO HUMAN FORM !! The Catholic Trinity doctrine declares that Gd has a human form, which is Jesus in the flesh! This is the grave sin of PURE IDOLATRY ! 🤷🏽♂️ Trinity MISREPRESENTS the ALL-PRESENT nature of God by reducing God to human flesh! It also limits believer's faith in God, as God in all His glory has a human body, a face, a skin color, and is at a location! Help us! 🤦🏽♂️ So that is the danger with Trinitarian doctrine. Although they would declare God is All-Present, they insist God is the body and blood of Jesus! This teaching contradicts God's prohibitions against making ANY form or image to idolize!
*Oneness may have their flaws, but at least, they along with Biblical Unitarians, are closer to the truth than the Trinitarians.*
My Kind Regards🙏🏽 :)
@@mtalk828 Of course God is Spirit but GOD WAS MANIFEST IN FLESH as Jesus say John 14:8-27 KJV
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
IF YOU SE ME YOU SEE THE FATHER .
And yes we are absolutely not trinitarians.
I was in this movement over 35 years ago for 2 years.
It's definitely a cult.
You might want to see my response to the author of attack on Oneness Pentecostals, you left the truth and I gutted the Trinity position
We’ve made the conversion to Orthodoxy after spending years as oneness Pentecostals..It was a 4 year process of deep study and having to confront some hard questions…In the end by reading the early Church Fathers the truth becomes undeniable.
It is undeniable not only from the early church fathers but Jesus Himself.
I feel like a better grasp of truth comes not from "early Church Fathers" but from the Scriptures, no? I mean, are we Protestants or not?? Sola Scriptura...
Reading the early church fathers convinced you? If by conversion to “Orthodoxy” you mean that you converted to a form of trinitarian doctrine, then you didn't study deeply enough. All iterations of the doctrine of the Trinity (DT) entail logical contradictions which render them false by definition. The Achilles' heel of the DT is its inability to avoid composition in the Godhead or other contradictions in the attempt to avoid composition. You jumped out of what you thought was the frying pan into the fire.
Certainly wasn't Ignatius, or Clement, you must have read some later johnny come lately Post Apostolic Fathers. So you know if Justin or Origen was in that mix, you missed they believed in 2 gods and a subordinationist view. Maybe Tertullian was your fellow, ah but he stated "of whom the greater portion of believers is always comprised- inasmuch as the rule of Faith withdraws them from the many gods of the world in to the one true God,shrink from the economy( the Trinity idea) ...They are constantly throwing out the accusation that we preach two goss and three gods...We hold they say , the monarchy.
Glad I'm numbered with the one true God followers and the majority ca 210a.d. and Trinies hold 2 and 2 gods as they stated back 1800 yrs. From Against Praxes.
Oneness Pentecostals is the church not like your religion found in Rev. 17:5.
@@undignified2843Which ones? Surely someone somewhere said something about a Trinity, as it isn't in scriptures, taught by Jesus, or Apostles or Disciples!! Not even implied, but deduced by men who rejected the true Orthodoxy Monarchian Monotheism.
Father, Jesus, Spirit, one God.
But not one person
@@thereisnopandemic God never say I AM THREE
@@michelhaineault6654 neither does one pray to oneself
That is Jesus is the F,S,HS.
@@thereisnopandemic,Galatians 3:20-22
Amplified Bible, Classic Edition
20 Now a go-between (intermediary) has to do with and implies more than one party [there can be no mediator with just one person]. Yet God is [only] one Person [and He was the sole party in giving that promise to Abraham.
Wrong aren't you, now show me that God is three persons! Kenneth Weiss Weiss word studies from the Greek New Testament volume 1 page 106 quote
"The word "one" is masculine engender and therefore is personal referring to a person."
Each time the Greek New Testament uses the word one in reference to God it implies the numeral "Heis" . See the following verses Mark 2 and 7 Mark 10:18 Mark 12 and 29 Luke 1819 Romans 3:30 1st Corinthians 8 and 4 1st Corinthians 8 and 6 Galatians 3:20 Ephesians 4 and 6 for Timothy 2 and 5 James two and 19.
the trinity is so mysterious that is not in the bible..where is the scripture..
@lisasykes624 Check out www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-the-trinity-biblical-/
@@BibleAnswerMan, you folks are following an ancient pagan Triad with biblical names such as Father Son and Holy Ghost. It is Catholicism and you are the Harlot daughters Revelation 17 and 5. Baptism was always done in the name of Jesus never was it ever done in the title's father Son and Holy Ghost that is the Catholic false baptism you people sucked at their table and accepted it. The true original Orthodoxy was modalistic monarchism. The true Christians were Oneness and belief Jesus name in baptism, baptized in the spirit with speaking in other tongues as the spirit gives the utterance. Historically in the first century Bible they never spoke of the trinity. In the second century they were monarchy ends they never spoke of the Trinity, finally in the third century tertullian spoke of Trinitas or Trinity in the Latin, he also stated that the majority of believers didn't accept what he was shoveling ( my word for it). Many of your early fathers this is Justin Martyr was a two God believer Origen believe in subordination an Jesus as another god. Or logos.
Tell me who was God in John 1:1?
Whoever the speaker is here seems to be a bit on the backward side, we have plenty of evidence of Monarchian doctrine taught in scriptures and then I to the 1st century seen in Ignatius writings. Virginia Corwin historian stated in St.Ignatius a Christianity in Antioch pg 126 "If one term must be chosen to indicate the tendency of his thought, Ignatius must be said to be monarchian". I challenge the author of said stream who made statements of a Trinity in 1st or 2nd century? Who used the language of the trinitarians anywhere in scripture? We cannot find it and THEY CANNOT?
NO Trinity, the Trinity, triune godhead, 3 persons, persons, 3 beings, three individuals, god the son, god the HS, eternal son, and others! The. We go to Clement Bishop of Rome and he says absolutely nothing of the true heresy the Trinity godhead or triad! A doctrine of 3 god ( idea taken from Trinitarian Jimmy Swaggart God is like the word sheep, one can say 1 sheep, 2 sheep, 3 sheep or 1 god 2 god or 3 god and no support for rhia teaching, not in scriptures and not till the 3rd century was the word coined for this false teaching from Catholicism. a( the godless MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. REV.17:5
Even most Protestants during the reformation era understood that to be Rome, but blindness struck these poor fellows down, they couldn't see they were her whorish offspring.
We see no developed doctrine till the 4th century and reformalized in the 5th. So whoever the fellow in the Cap followers were, they were no Christians.
H we re then we see God cannot live unless other God beings are with him, but see God is not like man, God is perfect in all his ways and Love is what he is. He had no body, no mind, no heart, he only had that in his "Logos" or "Word" and that wasn't something besides him, because Omnipresent deity has no literal right side, hand, finger, arm!! He was pure and Love was shown outward and not just inward in "Time". I would be careful calling God defective was hen scriptures ask who was there when he created and the answer was no one, yet Trinitarians say NO! God you had two other fellows. Utter nonsense, He was alone, by himself, was a Holy One, not a unholy 3! See that number three was the ancient pagan philosophers and godless mankind idea . We see all the cultures around God's people holding to three in a deity, just like Catholics and her harlot offspring. In Egypt there was Isis, Horus and Seb, in other nations they had 3 named a Father figure, a Son figure and a Mother or Spirit figure.
Next to liken us to Muslim idea is ludicrous, when antedate Trinitarian thinkers like Justin, Theophilus, Origen, Tertullian, and Hippolytus. J.N.D. Kelly stated that "Zephyrinus and Callistus were thus conservatives holding fast to a MONARCHIAN tradition which antedated the whole movement of thought inaugurated the Apologists". pg 125
Thus the Bishops of Rome were Monarchians , not only Kelly stated it but Adolph Harnack as well in History of Dogma, he counted a succession of such Bishops from Eleutherus, Victor, Zephyrinus and Callistus as Monarchians. I state none of the Bishops were trinitarians, as it was birthed from hell yet in the world under such church or doctrine. Tertullian and Origen both made statements that the majority in their day were not following their idea of the economy (The Trinity of three in one), they rejected Tertullian as a preacher of 2 and 3 God's as we Oneness do today of your ilk. Surprising how so many of the Trinies chase after godless believers in 2 gods like Justin and Origen.
Then there is Hippolytus, the anti-Bishop of Rome, excommunicated by a Monarchian.
CRI guy was defeated by Robert Sabin when Rob Bowman thought he was going against someone who was a heretic and who handed him his head.
Trinies try and smear us, but it is they in total error, no baptism in Bible done in their formula, but we unlike their church didn't kill people like the Catholics over baptism. We didn't kill their people we were the Christians. This fellow misleads the woman with lies about us requiring Jesus name baptism seen in Acts 2,8,10,19, clearly all done in the name is the point, not done in titles that were never repeated ... Once! Show me the passage, they can't, they wish it away with crazy idea of "authority" only. Kulwant Singh Boora a Minister and Attorney has compiled around 625 historical and reference quotes from scholars showing the original and true baptism was in the name of Jesus Christ . Book 17 Baptism in the name of Jesus.
Then you attack the word of God and the original Orthodoxy. Monarchians and Holiness or legalism as you state ( seems rather absurd, since your own churches once held the same standards till you abandoned them. Dr.Clinton Willis and Delroy Gayle have shown that the Trinies used force against us because of our formula for theirs. That's how you people do things. I'll finish with this Michael Servetus was burned at the stake along with 80 other Monarchians in Geneva, this was done by John Calvin and Ferrell the church leaders, that is the Protestants for you, just like Mother.
This holy faith would be lacking w/out the knowledge of the Godhead, the Creator as one, the fullness of God is revealed in holy scripture Old & New Test, otherwise there is an imposing &, or twisting of the word. There is a power, beauty, majesty & mystery in the Trinity
There is a big fat lie to it. See my response to this posting by CRI. I reject the false Trinity, came out of it at age 20 when I received real salvation and the Biblical plan regarding The one True God Jesus and the water baptism in his name and Spirit baptism, being born of the water and the Spirit.
Greetings. In my view it is not necessarily so, that God being love demands an object of his love. If one argues from the point of view that the Father is love, and that the objects of his love, are the Son and the Holy Spirit, then who has been the eternal object of the love of the one God?
Why was not the trinity mentioned or inferred in Acts 2:38; 8:14-16; 10:47:48; 19:5?
Speaking of the incomprehensibility of God, can the same not be said of the God of the oneness movement?
The resolution of the Jerusalem Council did maintain the prohibition of eating blood and strangled animals. Of course, this was a reference to a universal principle from times a Noah well before the ratification of the Mosaic dietary laws (Gen. 9:4). Jesus Christ, of course, declared all foods clean (See Mark 7:19). Christians are never to make food an issue of division whether on the side of abstinence or indulgence (Rm. 14:20-23)..
I'm no longer subscribed to Hank's channel. At first I thought he had something to say. I was hearing philosophy, not truths.
What is very serious is that Oneness Pentecostals sometimes hide in the leadership of non-denominational Pentecostal organizations without censure. I once ignorantly got involved with a church that was Oneness Pentecostal. They had split off from a non-denominational church, but that was not the issue. Church leadership was constantly splitting, sometimes over personality differences. When I discovered that the pastor was Oneness, I described it as him holding the doctrine in his back pocket and not telling people what he believed until he had a following. To my dismay very few in the congregation even understood the issue. When a group is more about emotional experience and not about the foundational doctrines of Christ, you are in deep trouble. I left his group and many did also, but the pastor went on for years and is still out there somewhere. I discovered that one of his problems was that he was so against the Catholic Church of his heritage, that he accepted the lie that the Trinity and other doctrines came into the Church with Constantine. But this man taught for years in the church I was attending before the split, with his heresy completely unaddressed by leadership.
Wow, thanks for sharing that, been seeing similar cases here in San Diego Ca. The wolves in sheep's clothing sneak into the flock and start working from within.
And Oneness sounds so similar to the Trinity when it is explained, that those who aren't well equipped in sound doctrine can easily get deceived. That's why now a days when I share the Gospel, I make clear emphasis on the Trinity and how necessary it is for Salvation and preaching the true Gospel.
1 John 2:22-24
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
That has been my experience with them. They are quick to condemn the trinity as sin or a doctrine of devils but will then hide that they are oneness to join trinitarian circles or churches. They are deceiving and being deceived.
It's exactly what's happening now in my church.
I'm trying to understand what you mean the Catholic church of his heritage.
Oneness do not believe that the Catholic church is even true. My pastor started last year for 3 months to preach at a Baptist Church and that Baptist Church this year is turning over at the end of this month of April their Church to our church because we were preaching and witnessing and going to the nursing home to have Bible studies with people. The Baptist Church had fallen to 11 members of which about half will stay after we take over. He taught the Oneness Apostolic doctrine from the word go. If they didn't want to have heard it anymore they could have had him stop at any time but they let him do it for 3 months none converted yet, but they know he is preaching out of the Bible and what it says. The church seats about 200 people all furnishings all monies in the bank are being turned over to our church. This church was around since the late 19th century. We do not hide anything under a bushel.
Constantine was never saved he he was baptized on his deathbed in the MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT MOTHER OF HARLOTS RELIGION, a false triad religion. You are from Catholic heresy Rev17:5 that is your false pagan triad worshipping religion
Love is what God is by nature, which doesn't necessitate an existing object of His love. In any event believers have alway been the object of his love, as God calls he things that are not as though they were.
God being love, doesn't only mean the love of the Father, but the love of the one God. Who is the eternal object of the love of the one God?
A strict monotheistic deity, such as held among Oneness Pentecostals, is morally deficient particularly with respect to love. See www.equip.org/articles/allah-the-trinity-and-divine-love/#christian-books-3
I am familiar with that line of reasoning, which suggests that God by nature cannot be love unless there is another person beside him, to love. When the scriptures say God is love, is it referring to the Father or the one God?
All of mankind, has eternally been the object of God's love, based on his eternal foreknowledge.
(1)Your position has to state who was the eternal love of the one God, if the object must exist. (2)Your position must prove why an object of his love, must always exist, in order to be the object of his love. (3)Your are indirectly stating that believers in Christ, as well as the rest of mankind, were never objects of his live, simply because none existed in eternity. Is this the view you hold to?
Because the bible never says the distinction is personhood. Not all oneness are pentecostal even. Made made religions you say. Who came up with trinity?
@bible1st To be precise, not all Pentecostals are Oneness Pentecostals. The Trinity is an essential Christian doctrine rooted in the Scriptures. The word "Trinity" was coined to encapsulate the teachings from the Bible. See www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-the-trinity-biblical-/ www.equip.org/articles/understanding-nicene-trinitarianism/ and www.equip.org/articles/how-was-orthodoxy-established-in-the-ecumenical-councils/
@@BibleAnswerMan I am very well versed in the scriptures. So the " trinity" is not rooted in the scriptures. That is a major point you have wrong. The fact that God is ONE is well rooted in the scriptures. But all these terms like ( trinity, triune, 3 persons, coequal, coeternal) none of these words are actually in the bible. Trinity people say that Jesus is not the Father. That is ridiculous. Trinity people have to ignore a lot of scriptures to uphold there false view of "3 persons" it's simply not the truth. I have read the entire Bible kjv 4 times and studied for over 20 years and put thousands of hours into studying the bible. So I think I know what I am talking about.
I am a non religious FOLLOWER OF THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE -JESUS CHRIST.
Scripture tells over and over that there IS ONE GOD.
YHWH CAME in the FLESH and when He ASCENDED to Heaven the HOLY SPIRIT WAS SENT TO US.
IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD WAS GOD.
I'M NOT A PENTECOSTAL NOR BELONG TO ANY OTHER RELIGION.
I HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH YHWH WHO IS JESUS IN THE FLESH-MY CREATOR AND MY MESSIAH ❤
HE IS THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, NOT THREE PERSONS IN ONE, BUT ONE TRUE LIVING ELOHIM. AMEN AND AMEN ❤
Zechariah 12:10
Is very clear. There are many verses in SCRIPTURE ABOUT MONOTHEISM.
Blessings 💙
The entire Old Testament says Gos is one. Man made is the trinity.
It wasn’t being taught until long after the apostles were gone 300ad.
Trinies act like Jesus and Apostles and Disciples taught it, but that is not possible, Tertullian didn't count the word till ca 210 a.d.
You are created in the image of God, as a soul/conscience (1)spirit/breath of life, (2) with a body (3) as one person. In Jesus christ the fullness of the Diety (the creator/Everlasting father)lives in bodily form, in the body/lamb of God as one person and one God. Because conscienceness can not exist without life, and life can not exist without consciousness, and work and do in a body. Question, are you three persons, with three different minds, but you still in God's image?
Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost ...
read that carefully. then read acts 2:38 Peter tells you what that name is. of the Father, The Son And The Holy Spirit. people keep missing in the name of....
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
You can do it either way because we are saved by grace and we baptized as symbol of new creature. We do not baptize for remission of sins. That was a preach to Jews. The problem with oneness is that they dont rightly divide the scriptures. Also that God revelead the gospel of salvation to Paul Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
@@Fr4nkSanchez No. Acts 2:38 is for all New Testament people
The name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is Jesus Christ. Matthew 28:19 was fulfilled in Acts 2:38
Every single explanation in defense of the trinity uses the exact same tactic of placing human limitations on God and of judging God from a human's perspective. It is like clockwork. This explanation first ASSUMES facts that are not at all facts when it claims that God is MORALLY DEFECTIVE? because He doesn't "exercise the attributes of love"?
First of all, God CREATED morality. HE and ONLY He defines love and we are not even close to any position of judging Him, or how He does or doesn't do anything. WE do not define these things and then decide God can't be this, or can't do that, because OUR "contrived" definitions don't allow for it. That is not only nonsense but ARROGANCE to the highest degree.
We are to take what the Bible teaches and we make THAT our Truth. We accept THAT as the definition of morality and of love. God exercised the greatest love possible with ALL that He has done for mankind. The entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, makes God out to be ONE single, solitary, individual. There is NOTHING, and no one, above Him in any way, shape or form and He declares that He shares His glory with no other person. (Isaiah 42:8)
If anybody wants to hold fast to any popular concepts concerning God or the Bible today, I highly suggest they find the plain teachings of them in God's Word. The teaching of a trinity concept, that God is three people, exists NOWHERE in ALL of Scripture. That's all there is to it.
Actually the opposite is true. Most deny Trinity because their puny mortal, finite minds can't wrap itself around 3 distinct person in 1 essence.
@@kimmykimko I take it you're immortal and infinite?
Is that what it takes to see, and believe, things that are written nowhere in the Bible?
By denying Trinity, what exactly do you gain? You diminish God's glory. Whenever God is diminished, it's a sign for heresy.
@@starlodear2987 The trinity denies God's glory. Isaiah 42:8 God says He shares His glory with no 'other.' Three persons would qualify as 'others.'
Dividing God into three not only divides His glory, and diminishes it, but it also causes those who accept, and embrace, such heresy to be worshiping an idol, a false representation of God, as the Bible does not represent God as three persons.
Find the "TEACHING" of the trinity concept, that God is three persons, in the Bible and then you can preach the concept to others. Until then, you are not supported by the Bible in preaching such a concept. To take verses and claim they are referring to a concept that doesn't exist in Scripture is very dishonest. Find the "TEACHING" for yourself in the Bible, don't just take some random Pastor's word for it.
Good luck and God bless.
@@ntxn9336 - There is a HUGE AND FATAL difference between Oneness and Trinitarian theology: In Deuteronomy 6:4, it declares Gd is One, and in Deuteronomy 4:15-16 states Gd has NO form or image: *"Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of form on the day that the LRD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the form of any figure, the likeness of MALE or female."* In this passage, we see clearly there is only One Gd that is the source of all things, and, that this Spirit-entity has NO HUMAN FORM! 🫣 Let me repeat - Gd has NO HUMAN FORM !! Your Catholic Trinity doctrine declares that Gd has a human form, which is Jesus in the flesh! This is the grave sin of PURE IDOLATRY !
To say there are three persons , you are saying there is three God's. Scripture says the lord thy God is one , his name is Jesus. Jesus said to Philip, when you see me , you see the father. There are many other Scriptures aswell.
No, you misunderstand what they mean. Go research it.
Thanks for the awareness, but I understood what was asked according to oneness doctrine. The scriptures I gave was on point.
@@kimmykimko no you are mistaken. It never says there are three person ever. It also never says God the son but rather the son of God. Isaiah 9:6 says the child (Jesus) is the almighty God and everlasting father. Go read it.
If you are actually curious about Oneness Pentecostalism, I recommend you actually read on our theology, as many trinitarians tend to misrepresent us.
@DscottPlays - what is your assessment of our video? Any misrepresentation of Oneness Pentecostalism conveyed?
@@BibleAnswerMan To be clear, I wasn't saying all misrepresentation is intentional, nor accusing you of that. Many people don't take the time to look at what we actually teach, and base their judgement on what others have told them, which was the point I was making. Since you asked, as a Oneness Pentecostal, I have issues with a majority of the video, particularly some of your evidence for the trinity, but here are two points that stood out as misinterpretations...
For starters, you claimed at 1:47 that muslim ideas crept into Oneness Pentecostalism. Muslims are Unitarians, not Oneness, so there is a difference. If you're aware of our history, we came out of trinitarianism through biblical study.
You claimed at 2:30 while going after our "legalistic issues", you claim that we ascribe to rebaptism with speaking in tongues. I have no idea what you mean by "rebaptism", but it's vague enough to make it sound like we require people to speak in tongues when they are water baptized. We do teach that speaking in tongues is the initial evidence that you recieve the Holy Spirit, but not proof youve been water baptized.
Why do oneness people go to trinity churches? And be pastors there?
@@anettecoetzee3363 what do you mean?
@@dscottplays4700 oneness people go to trinity churches why
It’s interesting that the apostles spent personal time with Jesus when he was on the earth. Jesus taught them. They were to be the launchers of this New Testament salvation. Do you think those apostles got it wrong when they baptized believers in Jesus name. After all Jesus commanded them to go and teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the son, and of the holy Spirit. I think He taught them well. They knew His name. Jesus was God (the Father) who manifested Himself in the flesh (son of God). He would indwell His believers by His holy Spirit. Matthew 28:19, Acts 2:38: 19:1-5, 1 Timothy 3:16. The godhead was errantly redefined as a trinity of 3 beings. The apostles were strict monotheists. They believed one God was their Father. And Jesus taught the disciples that it was He who walked among them in the son of God. Colossians 2:8-12.
John 14:8-10. He was God with us (Emanuel) Isaiah 9:6, Matt 1:23
Jehovah/Yahweh said every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. It was said of Jesus, that at His name every knee shall bow…..and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” To the glory of God the Father because He is God the father in human form as a son. Just ONE God. Not three.
Philippians 2:11 KJV
@mebonweb578 Jesus taught them to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is in no contradiction to baptism in Jesus name. The latter abbreviates the former. See www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-oneness-pentecostalism-biblical-/
@@BibleAnswerMan That’s exactly my point. If you were raised apostolic you should know the apostles obeyed the command of that great commission by baptizing in the name Jesus in every case in the Acts of the Apostles. No contradiction to Matthew 28:19 but rather the fulfillment of it.
Titles of the one God are not His name. It’s the only SAVING name, Jesus, that we are to be baptized in.
Yes
Ok Hank I will give you some thing to think about. We believe God is the Father, he created us. Jesus the Son is God man in flesh and we believe in the Holy Spirit, the presence and power of God. Are they 3 persons and will you see 3 bodies in heaven? No they have 3 roles that are necessary for our salvation. Allow me to explain, only a true human could die for our sins and could take our place and shed his blood. So Jesus had to be the Son of God in order to die for our sins. But in order for the Son to be born, no human could do that, God had to be the Father of that baby born in the womb of a virgin and then salvation is not just because of what happened 2ooo years ago. It has to be applied to our lives today. How does that happen God comes to us in his Spirit, so God's not eternally 3 persons named Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But God has operated in our lives as Father, Son, and Spirit for the specific purpose of redeeming us, or saving us from sin. So with that as a background 3 persons but 1 God would be a distortion because it interjects this idea that in the nature of God there is some separation, or distinction, or division which is not practical for these reasons : who are we praying to 1, or 3, when you get to heaven who are we going to see, are we going to see 1, are we going to see 3. That makes a difference who is our faith in and the significance of the name of Jesus. We need to understand because when we pray in Jesus name we expect demons to be cast out ( Mark 16: 17 ); ( Luke 8:26- 29 ); ( Acts 19:13- 17; 16:16- 29; 8:9- 22 ), people to be delivered, and healed ( Matthew 9:2, 22 ); ( Acts 3:6; 19:11, 12 ); ( Mark 16:18 ), and receive the Holy Spirit ( John 20:22 ); ( Acts 2: 4, 38; 19:2- 6 );( Romans 8:5- 8;16:25 ); (1 Corinthians 2:14 ); ( Galatians 1: 12, * 1:8, 9 ). But if the emphasis is on Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the name of Jesus isn't magnified and we don't receive what God wants to give us. So there are a lot of practical reasons we need to know the answer to this question and if there is any message in scripture that's emphasized it's in ( Deuteronomy 6:4 ) Hear o Israel the Lord your God is 1 Lord , and said by Lord Jesus in ( Mark 12:29 ). This 1 you have to get right.
@Lostandfoundrecipes-lz2mm Well there is a misapprehension of the Trinity. Though the persons of the Godhead can manifest in threes, so at Jesus' baptism, The Son' is praying, the Spirit descends as a dove, and a voice from Heaven speaks. Seewww.equip.org/articles/understanding-nicene-trinitarianism/ www.equip.org/articles/how-was-orthodoxy-established-in-the-ecumenical-councils/ www.equip.org/articles/allah-the-trinity-and-divine-love/#christian-books-3
then why did the Apostles preach not teach the trinity nor did none of the Prophets of old. trinity came around the 3 or4 century and scripture itself tells us that God is one. because most do not understand how God functions as one is what brought trinity into play in the first place. i do not believe the trinity nor do i believe oneness . this is what i believe
Deuteronomy 6:4-15
King James Version
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Isaiah 44:6-8
King James Version
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
this by itself say it all.
You were on a falls Church I bet you believe that Jesus is not the One True God.. see Isaiah 9 and 6 Revelations 4 and 8, Revelations 11 and 17 16 and 5 and 19 and 16. Now tell me who is being spoke of in Zech 12:10? See if you can figure that out!
Pentecostal are not the truth but their oneness (modalism) doctrine IS TOTALLY BIBLICAL. God name is I AM and not WE ARE and this name is eternal and Jesus is I AM being God manifest in the flesh....
How can modalism be true if Jesus was on earth, the Spirit was descending on Him like a dove and a voice from Heaven was saying "this is my beloved son in who I am well pleased?"
@@kimmykimko the dove was A VISION for John the Baptist as prophecy in : Jonh1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
The Holy Spirit is not a bird !
Did Jesus came for to be baptize by he Holy Spirit of for to baptize in the Holy Spirit ?
Just had someone talking over me very loudly basically telling as She said she just called to invite me to her church. I told her how I cared for her and I can send her scriptures that talk of God The Father , God The Son & God The Holy Spirit she wouldn’t even hear me. I told her ? .. your not even listening to anything I say how are you being friendly to me ? Continued yelling over me I said I’m done here and I did hang up. I sent her 2 scriptures in 1st Corinthians, but 23 more 😂I didn’t send and asked her to look into it. She texted she wanted to meet in person , doesn’t do scriptures through text ( really ) .. yah like that makes sense. Sadly my heart is saddened she has a seemingly wonderful family but felt something was off but couldn’t put my finger on it. They sure get angry don’t they ❤John 8:32
I'm gonna ask you to provide the scriptures for what you say is in the book, god the son and god the HS, you are not gonna find that, this you mislead that person with a lie.She had every right to yell at a false teacher like yourself. Show me where The Trinity was stated it TAUGHT! Do you understand what it means to be taught by someone, where did Jesus sit down the Apostles and teach them!? Where did Apostles say, he is how the three person doctrine is really one God!? You make stuff up like your Catholic Mother.
Also, you have no biblical standards of Holiness I bet? Cut hair right? Jewelry right? Makeup right? Wear clothing pertaining to that as a man? So the men in your church wear clothing pertaining to women too?!like dresses, skirts? Do you go to the lake, pond, ocean in a bathing suit? Yes legalism I'm sure you'll say, while you don't follow what most Protestants used to. Look up John R Rice a Baptist several years back, he would I'm sure be ashamed of the unholy women and men in your church.
Thanks I agree but we need to see Bible verses to back up the truth and for everyone to see. Amen?
@Carlos&fams4 Cristo Amen! Check out Hank's article > www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-the-trinity-biblical-/
See also www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-oneness-pentecostalism-biblical-/
You won't find it from that false teacher.
@@bobjames3748 I'm the one who posted that original comment. And Oneness Heretics are the actual false teachers. You all need to repent and submit to the True Trinitarian Gospel.
Oneness also preach a works based Salvation adding water baptism, Tongues, and the possibility of loosing Salvation.
Read Galatians 1:9
Read the whole book!
Read Romans
Read Hebrews
Read your Bible for God's sake.
And don't listen to man's wisdom. Gal ch.3
God never been three but he always been one and is name is I AM and not WE ARE. Roman catholic a 1 billion and they are idolaters and trinitarian ...ONLY ONE GOD THE FATHER EWHN BEEN MANIFEST IN THE FLESH ....as the son of man AND GREAT IS THIS MYSTERY 1Tim.3:16
Curious to get your response on our Trinity resources: www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-the-trinity-biblical-/ www.equip.org/articles/understanding-nicene-trinitarianism/ www.equip.org/articles/how-was-orthodoxy-established-in-the-ecumenical-councils/ and www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-oneness-pentecostalism-biblical-/
Bible Answer Man: You are confused. God is strictly one person, the Father.
One God ,three persons.Holy Trinity is the God of the New testament,and of the ancient church.Orthodoxy is right in that subject too.
@@HolyTrinitysaveus I'm no longer subscribed to this channel. If you want to believe that God is triune that's your problem, not mine.
Baptizing them in the name (one essence)Of The Father and of The Son and of The Holy Spirit(three persons).
@@HolyTrinitysaveus I'm no longer subscribed to this channel. I came on this channel listening to Hank, but I couldn't continue listening to the Trinity nonsense. It's not in the Bible. God is strictly 1 person, the Father.
@@davejordan1458 I just cited scripture man ,one of many verses that declare the mystery of the Holy Triune God
0:51 - "Love always requires a lover and one who is beloved and a witness to that love."
But the greatest act of love is to *lay down one's **_own_** life* to save others (John 15:13). And that's what the one true God - God _the Father_ - did. He came down from heaven, without leaving heaven, and manifested himself on earth as _his own_ flesh-and-blood Son, so that he _himself_ could go to the cross for us, shed _his own_ blood for us, lay down _his own_ life for us, and raise _himself_ from the dead...to give eternal life to all who believe on _him._
And _his_ name is the name which is above _every_ name: Jesus.
For *God [the root of David]*
so loved the world, that he gave
*his only begotten Son [the offspring of David],*
that whosoever believeth
in *HIM [JESUS, the root **_and_** the offspring of David]*
should not perish, but have everlasting life.
*"I JESUS...I am THE ROOT **_and_** THE OFFSPRING of David..."* (Rev.22:16)
There is not 1 scripture that says the Father was manifest in flesh.
Before me there was no God formed neither shall there be after, beside me there is no saviour.
John 3:13 no man hath ascended up to heaven accept he that hath come down from heaven even the Son of man who is in heaven.
That's what he told Nicodemus the ruler of the Jews. Nicodemus I'm here before you and I'm presently in heaven. How could he say that because Jesus is the Almighty manifested in the flesh. The word made flesh and dwelt among us. For unto us a child is born and unto us a son is given and his name shall be called wonderfully counselor THE MOGHTY GOD the EVERLASTING FATHER THE PRINCE OF PEACE. THERE IS ONLY ONE EVERLASTING FATHER, ONLY ONE MIGHTY GOD.
REVELATION 1 in red letters Jesus said I am the alpha and Omega the Almighty! You can't separate God into person's. Only manifestations but all the same person. Hath not one God created us all why do you deal treacherously one with another. Colossians 1:15 tells us plainly Jesus Created everything
Great explanation Hank 👍
Glad it was helpful!
@@BibleAnswerMan Trinity not biblical, wasn't the true Orthodoxy and is a murdering church, both Catholic and Protestant. I have posted enough responses against it. Scripturally you rape from Jesus his complete Deity, historically the proof is that Monarchians were holding Bishoprics in Rome, Antioch, Smyrna, Africa and most assuredly Jerusalem where Jewish thought was against the idea in 1st and 2nd.
century.
You people struggle to find anyone teaching such idea a conjuring up the word Trinity till ca 210 a.d. by Tertullian. How then was Monarchians the majority of believers and holding the Bishopric of Rome till 222a.d.?
You people at CRI have done poorly from Walter Martin, Robert Bowman and yourself, most the time telling untruths.
I can't even get one Trinitarian to tell us who God is in John 1:1 .
Walter Martin years ago came up with false idea that pros ton theon meant face to face, it didn't! It meant in things pertaining to God in all the other places it was mentioned in N.T.
Bowman did poorly versus Robert Sabin TWICE!
How is it you people can mess up Jesus name baptism, Biblical Salvation, Oneness of God vs your Trinity, have absolutely no Holiness left in your churches save we count Amish or German Baptists, and then Catholic Mother of Rev.17:5 killed millions and Protestants killed ,just not in the same numbers.
100%+100%+ 100% =100%
His name is JESUS, the only one you'll see in heaven, God manifested in the flesh, the one true God and Savior.
Modalism always been the doctrine of the early Christians theology like Tertulian of Antioche who is born in 40 ad ! Even Jesus as the begotten son call God : My God and your God my Father and your Father.... no trinity and Jesus is THE WORD OF GOD being the eternal Spirit who in the beginning created all things by is word gen.1:1-3 and who BECAME FLESH John1:14 The trinitarians follow a false gods being in reality three different gods but of the same nature .... mmmmm what a shameful heresy, their gods also have two spirits....... But the biblical God is the Spirit as Jesus also is the Spirit being this one God IN THE FLESH 1Tim.3:16 being the word of God coming out of is mouth , not the word of a man, Jesus had the mind of the Father in bodily form
If Jesus isnt God then how are your sins paid for? Only God is perfect enough to satisfy His perfection. Your faith is in vain. Jesus is God. Father is God, Spirit is God. Just because you cant understand it, doesn't make it less true. Can you explain how Jesus healed the blind man? Fed 5k with 2 fish and 5 loaves? You cant. But you think you can understand an infinite, Holy and eternal God. Lol.
@@kimmykimko Modalism believe Jesus is God the Father in flesh butthe trinitarian believe Jesus is ''another god'' of a trinity of three different beings but God always been one and never three and '' the Word became flesh'' = God in flesh !
@@kimmykimko because Jesus is both a real man and God incarnate in him. I am in the father and the father in me. He doeth the works. As a man he got thirsty and slept. As God he healed the sick,
Commanded the waves and performed all manner of miracles.
Correction there tertullian wasn't born in 40 ad you might be speaking of Ignatius.
@@kimmykimkofrom a Oneness Pentecostal view Jesus was both God and man at times he acted in the full capacity 100% man role or mode as God he was able to heal, to know men sins, to forgive them of sins. There is not three persons in a godhead doing this it is Jesus alone and by himself he begat a body that was the sun the sun is the body of the eternal spirit.
Not true! It's not a heresy. The Trinity is a heresy.
How's is that? Jesus said baptize them in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy ghost.
@@kurtbansag935 and that name is Jesus Christ. none of the Apostles that did Baptized sad i baptize you in the name of the father in the name name of the son and in the name of the holy spirit . they said Jesus Christ or Lord Jesus. this is why the trinity is so effective in the world today, and because most people dont study to show thyself approved nor do they search the scriptures as Jesus commanded
@@kurtbansag935 That was added in afterwards.
@@kurtbansag935 that's a great question.
Given that no one was baptized into the holy ghost first except Cornelius family
Who received the holy ghost, and then we're baptized in Jesus name.
The point here is not to be baptized under the name of each God head person. It is to first be baptized into the following of God, then under the name of Jesus by whose blood we are saved, then in the Holy Spirit for Power unto the good works of God.
This is why webare to baptized in the name of the father, the son, and the holy ghost.
Just remember what Jesus said about being God.
He told Mary in the garden "Do not cling to me for I have not yet ascended into my Father and your Father, my God and your God. Does God have a God or does the heavenly Father have a heavenly Father? This isn't Mormonism we are talking about here bud.
@@besidethestillwaters948 That is not true at all. The only reason people is not saved is because they do not have faith in the gospel. Oneness creates confusion because I do agree there is only one GOD and there are three manifestations (why if there are three oneness does not accept tri) what I dont agree is that they teach Acts 2:38, there are dispensations in the bible, Peter preached to Jews, Jesus talked to Jews, Salvation was only for Jews. However, Gentiles were saved too, we see Cornelius but why he received the Holy Ghost before baptism? This was revelead to Paul, we are saved by the blood Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;