I always find the pay gap to be a very, very controversial topic What I find is, if you disagree with a narrative, people are quick to shut you up before you can even explain It sort of forces you to seem to have different views
6:52 - That blew me away when she claimed the NBA gets more views than the WNBA because of sexism... wtf?? It's literally just because it's better basketball. Some ppl do anything to claim moral high ground.
They literally explain why women gain less in certain industries and then blame it on sexism, they say that wnba gets less views but they don't watch it at all
It’s not even about who’s ‘better’. It just needs to entertain people because sports is an entertainment. The ‘best’ players aren’t often the highest paid either. Men watch the nba because it’s more entertaining than the wnba. Women should start watching the wnba instead of complaining that men aren’t watching the wnba.
If woman wanted to fix the WNBA they just have to go to games, buy the jerseys, and watch the game streams. They won't though, because the games are mediocre at best.
It isn't even that it's nessecarily better, it's just that dudes support their favorite male teams, but women literally don't care about women's sports
My wife and I both graduated college with a degree in Mechanical Engineering the same year. My GPA was .5 points better than her, and I passed the FE Exam while she didn't take it. Right out of college we applied for the same job, and they hired my wife. 3 years later, we both have engineering jobs, make about the same, and she is in line to be Engineering Manager at her company in the next couple months. I don't think you can say that there is a real wage gap when you compare apples to apples, which is incredibly hard to do. It is nearly impossible to get a statistically significant number of apples to apples comparisons for each distinct industry, region, and job title.
Was it hard to find a job with your ME degree? I’m looking into going back to school to finish my degree. I’m 24 and I just feel like it too late for me to get my ME degree
@@3self not too terrible, it was harder for us being we don’t like big cities, so it took a little while to find 2 ME jobs within a 30min radius of a small town (
Absolutely love your videos. As a women in STEM I can say that I get paid the exact same as my male counterparts. That being said, whether is biological or just a personal preference, they tend to take home more because they choose to work LOtS of overtime where I’d much prefer to work my 8 hours and go home. At the end of the day I don’t complain about a “pay gap” because it’s my choice and there is no way in hell I’m working 60 hr weeks 😂
thats why they live less time in average , society demands them to earn more money in order to be seen as valid, nobody else would do it they cant resort to other options
What is also a factor is that men have to earn more than women to be attractive to women, if a man can't provide then he has no chance of attracting a desirable partner. Men don't have the biological privilege of being desirable solely on their sexuality, men have to bring far more to the table and a large part of that is income and status.
Most guys don't want to work lots of overtime, but society has essentially dictated that men are the primary provider and therefore they feel an obligation to do what they can to make life better for their family. And even if they don't have a family, they feel an obligation to prepare for one. Most women I know in stem have a husband that makes more than her and she feels no obligation to do more as their life doesn't really demand more.
This. Hours and position determine things. But 2 people of the same position get paid the same. But the one that takes longer hours or shifts will get more money
As a male who waited tables in college, female waitresses made 2-3 times more than me in a single night. Id leave with 100-150 for the night and some girls would leave with 300-400 a night. I worked twice as hard for half the pay..
Women servers, bartenders, registered massage therapists, most hospitality industry positions women are preferred over men. Also in the same industry, attractive women are more preferred over unattractive women, regardless of skill and professionalism. I'm saying this as a chef for 20 years
he digs them without doing it is how he keeps a straight face. "do you have a job?" "no" "ok got it" he just called her an idiot for saying what she said without saying it lol
@@bl00dlikewayne Most women simply aren't willing to elbow their way forward into those positions and the ones who are simply happen to be a minority, which means the likelihood of them succeeding is also lower, just based off odds alone. There's really nothing strange about it. Not to mention, women really haven't had as long to try for the position either. Similar reason as to why there aren't as many women in top positions. Although I won't deny the existence of sexism either, obviously makes a difference, but if just as many women tried, we'd see more women in top positions regardless of sexism.
I've worked in corporate America for about 20 years and work in senior management. This kind of discrimination does not exist. Let me repeat that. It does not exist. for the same job, the same performance, we want to incentivize the best candidate to perform--we don't care about gender at all. And it's ILLEGAL. I cannot emphasize that enough. Women take circumstances and impose their own biases to reach bad conclusions. The pay gap does not exist for the same level of performance in the same role. In fact, today, it's easier for women to get roles than for me because of all the backlash--I've seen more qualified men get turned down in favor of less qualified women. Women will complain that men are in more executive roles and that it isn't 50/50. But there's a lot more to that... and it has nothing to do with a pay gap for the same performance for the same role. The women's soccer thing is hilarious, because women's sport is boring and earns very little revenue.
I mean, Ive worked for companies that were terrified of not giving breaks to the letter of the law because of how costly fines could be let alone risking pay discrimination and that was iust on a restaurant level (dont worry, Ive moved on to much better since then). The business exists to make money, not for some "brotherhood" to give men a leg up and keep women down. There is no money to be made doing that.
You are right, I haven't worked in all type of corporate jobs but started my career in big 4 audit then moving to Ibanking I can say that even at the lower level it does not exist. Big 4 paid people equally shitty for the amount of hours we put in, and investment banking every is paid based on how many hours you put in and the number of projects you've been on. The salary banks offered were the same with VERY MINIMUM variations, what made it up was the bonus which was entirely based on our effects and time spent on job.
Studies repeatedly show that there's still about a 2% - 6% pay gap between men and women. If there was no pay gap, there likely wouldn't be very many studies coming out. Your industry might fairer for men and women, sure. Its naive to pretend like it doesn't exist just because you haven't seen it.
I chose to do biology in college. 63% of students graduating with a bachelors in biology or biotechnology in 2022 are women; that’s a 1.7 female to male ratio. I still see/hear about women in bio scholarships ALL THE TIME due to them being “underrepresented” in the field. It’s so blatant that it makes me sad and angry bc I’m losing opportunities. Also been told that I didn’t offer the diversity an internship was looking for (they hired 4 girls btw).
Not just biotech. Higher education in America and globally is trending toward 1.5 women for every man. Yet all the gendered scholarships are women only. And instead of asking whether it's still needed, we hyperfocus on every discipline where it isn't true yet and corrupt the sciences with imported blue haired hacktivism by doing so. I'm a BCompSci major. Feminists have been shouting about a lack of women in CompSci longer than I've been alive. CompSci at my uni was 15% female when I was born, and it was about 12% female when I graduated. (I chalk that up to videogames as a gateway drug and half the applicants being self taught before even studying, personally.) Great progress the feminists have made there. Maybe by constantly shouting about it, women got the message: STEM is for Men. 😆
I am a high school teacher, and I always want to ask "why don't girls like physics," but a question like that would just get me in trouble. I teach AP Physics. Each year, I have a class of 20 - 25 students, and 2 - 3 of them are girls. I have many capable, intelligent girls in my regular physics classes (and in gernal, many of them have better academic habits than the guys), but something stops them from signing up for AP Physics. As far as race goes, my AP Physics class is very diverse and is a good representation student body, but I can't say the same for gender.
The pay gap is real. And to deny that the pay gap isn’t real, would deny the fact that men work more dangerous jobs. One of the greatest forms of male oppression is the amount of men that die in the workplace, as they take up over 90% of workplace deaths.
@@sexy_u I think that's OP's point, men take riskier jobs and hence get paid more. So the pay gap comes from the difference in jobs that men and women choose.
@@BananaBandit13 yeah and hours worked, men work more hours on average than woman a week, but the gender pay gap is calculated on yearly salary not hourly.
I sincerely appreciate the fact that a content creator puts out content that actually explores both sides of relatively hot topics. It’s very refreshing to see.
not only that, this guy is a genuine journalist exploring issues without making a clown out of either opinion. people call you an influencer which i highly disagree with. you are a journalist and it’s awesome to see.
I find it interesting she says, "If I were to ask for a raise, that would affect whether I can stay there, as compared to a [male] coworker." So, you haven't asked. A lot of times women anticipate discrimination and don't even try out of fear, then blame discrimination for where they have ended up. Often, it isn't them, it's you. Note: I'm a woman in STEM. I get treated exactly the same as my male counterparts.
I'm a woman too. Philosophy graduate. Full of men and old men you meet in symposiums and paper presentations. There's no discrimination. You get treated the same way as your male peers. Some women just like to cover up the fact that they can't stand up to something to discrimination, when it's them just being passive about their business.
That's women for ya 😂 My girlfriend had a dream that I had a threesome and she caught me. So now I'm this peoce of shit Cheater . Even though I never happened 😂😂 women tend to act quicker on emotions that's why
The problem with the whole "gender pay gap" concept is that on the surface it looks completely legitimate. However, once you dig deeper, you begin to see the cracks in the overall idea. None of this means that women can't face discrimination in the workplace, but in many cases it's less about them being women and more about individual choices within that career. For instance, a fact brought up a lot is that "male nurses make more than female nurses." Off-hand, that sounds like textbook discrimination, but you need to stop and ask: WHY? The answer is that, on average, male nurses work longer hours, take more shifts, and are more willing to move to other locations where pay might be better (or at least there's a greater chance of upwards mobility). Does this mean there are absolutely no instances of female nurses being discriminated against? No, I'm sure it happens, but that's not the predominant factor when it comes to the wage discrepancy in this field. Something else some women point to is that if a previously male-dominated field becomes female-dominated, the overall pay drops. They say this is because of sexism, and again, while that could be true on a case-by-case basis, the reason for this is that on average, women work fewer hours and believe more strongly in work/life balance. This means that even if the per-hour pay is equal, the women in that field will earn less because they are working fewer hours. Overtime, this becomes seem as "an acceptable pay range" and thus we see lower pay in a now female-dominated field that was once male-dominated. I can't stress enough the "hours worked" part of the equation because it's almost always left out of the conversation, yet it's vitally important. In those situations where it's mentioned that women work fewer hours, it's side-stepped by saying "it's because women have children and want to spend time with their kids." Okay, but how is it unfair if women get paid less during that time? Having kids isn't a demand of your employer, therefore you don't get compensated for making a personal choice. Quite often the (angry) response to this is something like: "Having and raising children is tough and important for the future!" I don't doubt it's a very difficult task and yes, kids are needed for future generations. However, none of that has anything to do with your job. If you're working 20 hours a week (because you need more time at home with your kids), why should you get paid the same amount as someone else who's working 40 hours a week in the same position? That's not even taking into account the overtime (which is often unpaid, but in some cases is paid) expected from employees who don't have kids to cover for those employees with kids. And finally, jobs that seem similar or equal are often compared without looking at the details. For instance, there was a study a while back that said "female doctors earn less than male doctors, and fewer patients die to female doctors than male doctors." Here's the problem: the study didn't differentiate between what specialization that doctor had. In other words, they examined female family doctors/general practitioners to male heart surgeons, among other lopsided comparisons. This is how they came to the conclusion that male doctors out-earn their peers and how more patients die under the care of a male doctor, because of course a heart surgeon is going to earn more than a family doc/GP and of course more patients will die during surgical procedures than patients who're simply visiting their doctor to renew a prescription or get a form to take a blood test. So is there a wage gap? Maybe on a personal, case-by-case basis, but on a macro level, there's no wage gap unless you ignore pertinent data specifying why these differences occur. And many who fervently argue that a wage gap exists and that it's all due to sexism either willfully ignore this data or are ignorantly parroting key points without understanding the full scope of what's happening. In either case, the facts are being twisted to fit a specific narrative.
You don't even need to look into it, it's in the name. "gender pay gap" in no way implies it is the result of discrimination, rather quite simply it is the disproportion of pay amongst the genders that is a result of many other factors unrelated to discrimination. The gender pay gap is one of the finest examples of the equity fallacy.
They also did a study at Uber where it showed male drivers made more $ than female drivers.. But it was because male drivers worked the later shifts where rates were higher and we're willing to work areas where there were more fares. Also it showed men drove faster which also allowed them to get more pickups/calls vs women. AKA the wage discrepancy had nothing to do with sexism, it was 100% due to the personal choices that women made vs men.
"Let me womansplain you how male employers think" - unemployed telepath ALSO: immediate BS of feminism is seen right away from witnessing that nearly all discrimination discussions always start by being presented as "women have it worst", rather than a gender-equal approach.
Why would it be a gender equal approach is a group of people is struggling more? huh. Women are dying of heart attacks more due to gender data gap not being up to par and women's symptoms which are majority of the time a lot different from men's (the default symptoms) not being considered, why wouldn't you address the people being harmed first?
The pay gap exists for cornstars, but it's for the exact same reason with athletes and drama stars like Kardashians. Men love sports. Women love drama.
How does liking drama involve crime at all???? Crime is because of the intrinsic difference between men and women which relate to aggression. If anything that data point proves how the gender pay gap is actually less about sexism.
Lol men don't like drama. The whole season with the memphis grizzlies was drama and men were loving every second of it. Someone can love sports regardless. Also ironic how you mention corn stars but don't want to mention majority of people watching it.
@GEN I have to say you are a true investigative journalist who asks the tough question that many are afraid to ask. You don't see this kind of journalism anymore. Most people just write an article off of TikTok short and just try and wing it from there. Thank you for keeping journalism alive. 💯👍🏾👍🏾 Keep up the great work!
I felt happier once I started working less and spending more time with my daughter. And shoutout to my hard working husband who made this all possible!!
My wife is the same, even with 5 children to take care of AND homeschool. She has a Master's degree in psychology... and uses it daily :). I couldn't hold down the job I do without her holding down the house. We're a team, and we work well together.
I think its important to define what "gender pay gap" is. I feel like the definition should be a pay disparity when one gender gets paid more despite having the same qualifications for the same positions. Not different postions.
Right, because if you compare same job-same education-same experience there is zero pay gap. It's illegal to pay different pay for the same job. The only way there is a pay gap is if women take different jobs, work different hours, have different levels of work experience. Do "dirty jobs" and dangerous jobs pay more? Yes, and men do them. Do many women drop out of the workforce for a few years and have kids? Yes, and that affects their total work experience. There is nothing wrong with this, it's not a problem that needs to be fixed.
@@smashrosa8111 Why not? Most people don't even know that it's a law that's been on the books since 1963. Companies get sued if they violate it. You ask people off the street "should there be a law that says..." and most will say yes and have no clue that it has been on the books for 60 years.
The problem with the 82c to 1$ is that it includes all jobs because certain industries pay more than others and they should probably do studies for specific industries and job positions.
It also does not take into account hours worked and years in the role… I read a study summary that showed young women often outearn their male counterparts. When women start getting married and having families, they may decide to work less hours or leave the workforce- it’s a complete manipulation.
They will never do that because as soon as you tart drilling down into specific fields the data starts vanishing and sometimes even flips to show it is actually the reverse, here in the UK up to the age of 30 data shows women actually out earn men in mot cases - this is due to 20+ years of more women getting degrees (around 60% of university intake and graduates are female now). But shhhh we cannot talk about things that contradict the narrative.
Thank you for remaining unbiased. I literally never know your personal opinion because you are so good at playing devil's advocate. More reliable than the media for sure!
Love your videos bro. Maybe add statistics paired with the questions you ask to the different groups, or pose those statistics to the people you're questioning to see if it sways their opinions
To be fair, I think people overlook another key factor; just because you ask for a raise, doesn't mean you deserve to get it. In my job I got awarded a "promotion" after lots of pushing and pushing, even being the #1 performer on my team by a large margin (i know this because we were sent weekly spreadsheets that outlined everyone's performance for each day of the previous work week). Not only have I been the #1 performer uncontested for over a year, I also have taken on multiple extra curricular responsibilities including training new hires and mentoring lower performers on the team. And I still had to fight to get my raise and promotion. And when my title in Teams changed to reflect it, one of the lowest performers on the team caused this big stink because she had been lobbying for the same promotion and called it out as sexism in the middle of a meeting saying she feels like her efforts are being overlooked due to her gender. Just because you THINK you deserve something, doesn't mean you are owed it.
You make great videos! Thank you! The gender "pay gap" exists for a reason. And once you understand the nuance, you realize its actually a good thing. Like you said, equality of opportunity is what we really want, not equality of outcome.
There is a pay gap, its just not a GENDER pay gap. Its a choice pay gap, take more time off work vs working overtime make a huge impact on the total income/hr when these things are NOT taken into account
@@ssu7653exactly, the number is actually accurate but it's a difference in average National yearly income between men and women. That's a totally different thing than two people getting paid differently for the same job
When negotiating salaries with the hiring manager women are more likely to play it safe and ask for the lower bracket salary to secure the job with regards to STEM. It really comes down to your attitude in the work place, I’ve been lucky enough to have great feedback at work and given advice on how to carry myself better. I was told I’m too soft spoken and insecure about my work despite it being completed to a high standard, I appreciate that kind of honesty. I’ve noticed that men are more likely to advocate for themselves and apply for jobs they’re less qualified for whereas women severely downplay their abilities and apply for jobs they’re sure they’re qualified for. If you don’t seem to believe in your own competence then obviously the employer is going to promote someone who clearly does. It’s not just about capability, it’s about how you conduct yourself. You can be proactive in the work place without possessing a victim mentality. I’ve seen a woman get fired because every time she was reprimanded for doing something wrong she complained about it being an imagined gender discrimination instead of just taking accountability and learning from it like a true professional would. It was sad to witness because she actually had so much potential but got in her own way.
What I love the most about your content is that you are definitely one of the MOST neutral persons right now, you always try to get all the points of view that is possible. I really appreciate that because we are living on such a divided world right now, that we need more people like you. Thank you for that! Keep it up!
I work as psychologist, and my field is female dominated. I got discriminated because women managers wanted to hire other women, to have "women's teams" for whatever reason. But I didn't go around complaining about it, instead I started contracting so I could get more money than those managers that rejected me.
I worked in marketing for several years. In the last two years a woman was given the top spot in my department and the new hires were suddenly all women. They started having work meetings where they simply didn't invite the male employees.
I’m so sorry that sounds like hell to work in. And those women shouldn’t be in the field of psychology, they are blandly showing bias which is specifically what they shouldn’t be doing.
@7:00 "We live in a capitalist society, and therefore we value people's worth on demand." Almost like people who contribute more to society should be valued and paid more than others. 🤷♂ Crazy how that works. 🤯
Contribution to society does not equal worth in a monetary sense. Teachers and such are not paid more than certain jobs. Now I don't care enough to want to increase their pay beyond inflation as I am a capitalist; I am just saying contribution to society itself can't be valued based on monetary outcome for the individual. Demand does mark their worth to the economy of that moment but not to society.
@@aaronmontgomery2055 You can't always quantify the amount that some jobs such as teachers contribute. And it's much easier to become a great teacher than a mediocre neurosurgeon or nuclear physicist, so society will have a higher demand for those jobs which require more specialization and expertise therefore pay more, otherwise no one would ever want to work those occupations.
@@datboijdope No I absolutely agree on paying those people more (the ones the economy decides to) but I am saying contribution to society isn't marked by how mush someone is paid. Like a stripper who gets paid more than 150k does not contribute more than a garbage worker however I at the same time agree with the stripper getting paid more if that is what the market says.
It really depends on the industry, but the one thing I learned in my 20's working as a self-taught dev in the tech world, that gave men an advantage, was confidence and negotiation skills. Women, myself included, who learned confidence and negotiation skills can easily eliminate that pay gap. It's really frustrating that this isn't pointed out--and actually completely ignored. There are also always going to be industries where men earn more (most sports) and women earn more (modeling). That's just the way it is.
Women give up more when challenges face them. There has been studies that portray that.. not to mention that dealing with a computer and development, women in general, are not into that
I remember when I was in college and any one asked me how far I wanted my education to go, it was always the highest degree for the highest position. 99% of women in the same field just wanted the basic level of education for the profession with minimal responsibility. I don't think most women have the desire to push for higher positions.
When you see the videos interviewing average looking women on the street saying they wouldn't marry someone who makes less than 400K (which would be in top of the 1%) it just re-enforces that society see's main men's value in how much they make
Really good video dude! I think the problem is that there are so many double standards and situations where the common arguments are/ are not valid that it can seem like it boils down to what you have hear or seen rather than what is actually the case which varies from industry to industry and individual to individual.
There is a common mentality among women in the workforce of being a victim. Nobody wants to promote a victim because they complain all the time, then belittle when they are in a role when they feel superior. I've worked for large corporations which choose underqualified women over qualified men to check a box, I've seen it blow up in their face time and time again.
There is definietly a gap in some areas, but not for the reasons most people think, great video! I like how the element that affects the videos most are the people you interview, keep up the good work!
I’ve unfortunately met a lot of entitled women who comes into the job in 3 month and demand for a higher title and then leave to the next best thing after messing the entire department up.
I love you content. After I watching a part of one video, I thought you were bias and pushing an agenda. Now that I’ve watched a few videos, not only is your production and editing amazing but you’re unbiased, intelligent present all sides of the topic. Elite content.
Is there a gap? Yes, there is. But it’s not because of “patriarchy or sexism”, it’s because there are differences in jobs. If you take a man and a woman and look what jobs they could take, they’d have different preferences and those are the reason women get “paid less”. It’s hard to find the same job where men and women earn different pays. I work in IT, I get paid the same as my male coworkers. Haven’t yet heard a woman gets paid less than a man in same position. Also, there are differences for same positions between male pays in different firms so… too many factors to cover in one comment.
They're talking about similar jobs, not a truck driver and a mcdonalds working expecting the same pay. Having different preferences for a job has nothing to do with being paid less simply for being a woman.
I worked in resourcing for a call centre and for 7 years the top 50 overtime staff every single week was 90+% males, there was one notable exception where a woman working overtime until her visa ran out was number one on the list for 6 months. No patriarchy, no sexism just unlimited overtime available but mostly males who took the offer up and therefore earned more.
My mom ran a company under her position as manager and she never once asked for a pay raise out of the 25 years working there. My father randomly applied at a Fish market two years ago and demanded a higher pay and argued with the owner for a more competitive salary within the first few months of working there. Within one year my father went through several promotions and makes more money than my mom now. It’s an example that men typically argue and fight for more competitive pay and better positions within a company. It’s not discrimination or misogyny, it’s just basic that men are more competitive and aggressive than women.
Also what type of equality are we striving for? Equality of outcome or equality of opportunity? I think this is an important aspect we have to consider when it comes to societal issues.
equality of outcome is what these freaks want clearly. equality of opportunity is already a fact so obviously they want equality of outcome. Men will pretty much always outperform women in the work force and they can't have that.
Geez man, every single video this guy puts out is a banger. The research is so good and the unbiased conversations are interesting and refreshing to see.
The only job I had where I worked with women, we both had the same start salary and you got the same amount of increase depending on time in the company. BUT there were limits on what women were allowed to lift for their health, so each day they did about 20% less than men. (Yes we had perfomance sheets)
The gender pay gap is arguably the best example of the equity fallacy, where a statistical disproportion is not necessarily the result of discrimination, but it is shown and told to be. I wonder how much longer and how many more times this needs to be disproved before people stop referring to it as discrimination within in the workplace and quite simply, is finally acknowledged as all the factors that result in the disproportion.
This has been going on for decades and the "progress" we've seen is that more of the false nonsense is being taught to more children as fact rather than being presented as an idea or an opinion.
Great video as always! The pay gap isn’t gender based, it’s childcare based. If you take away stats for mothers who take time out from their careers for a newborn the pay gap is 0.99 for every $1 earned by males, almost negligible.
@@ktwizzleI found a forbes article that had an adjusted gender pay gap that accounted for everything form industry to hours worked it’s called the adjusted gender pay gap
@@LightningThief-ck9ml I found a forbes article that had an adjusted gender pay gap that accounted for everything form industry to hours worked it’s called the adjusted gender pay gap in it it was 0.99 to the dollar
The difference in interests between men and women is very real and does impact career choice. HOWEVER, there is also research that shows that males and females learn differently and one reason that we choose different field is because of how we connect to what is being taught. If more men are in stem, then more men will be teaching stem and therefore more boys will be interested in stem. There might be more women interested in stem if it was taught to them differently.
That’s actually a really good point. Haha seeing comments like these always make me wish I could continue to add more to the video even after it’s posted lmao
Great video! I think the problem with the entire pay gap discussion is the unwillingness to meet eye to eye and accept facts. There is far too much denial and feelings involved that it's impossible to have a healthy discussion about what the actual issues are and how to solve them. Because the "pay gap deniers" are unlikely to say women should get paid less, most of them will want women to earn as much as men, assuming they do the same things. There is no difference in the desire of outcome, the procedure is what's different.
The problem is they're misrepresenting hourly pay of two people doing the same job with the average yearly income of any man and any woman in the country in any profession. Aka= An average Yearly income gap The Gap exists, but it's not what people claim it is.
This is the fundamental difference. Men have to succeed women choose to. A woman knows most of them at any point if they wanted to, could fall out of the work system or significantly reduced their work presence because they have a guy that they know they can depend on a man can only depend on himself and fundamentally we know that.
When it comes to maturnity leave, you have to factor in the fact that a family/mother should be financially prepared for childbirth and child care. If you're going to have a child you should be ready for one.
It is lifestyle choices primarily. A perfect example are Ontario Healthcare workers. A study came out in the last couple of years showing a wage gap in Ontario Healthcare workers. This immediately raised some alarms for me because I know that Ontario Healthcare workers are paid according to the OHIP schedule. It is a social healthcare program and the Ontario government doesn't have a pay schedule for men and a separate pay schedule for women. If we did it would be a clear case of discrimination. Instead the data reveals that there are more male cardiac and neurosurgeons, and more female obstetrician gynecologists and family care physicians. Knowing this, the researchers "adjusted" for this discrepancy using a made-up heuristic which provided them with the results they wanted. But the fact remains that male and female healthcare workers receive exactly the same compensation for the same medical procedure. The wage-gap amounts to statistical chicanery, whereby researchers make-up some heuristic to address the discrepancies in career selection that gives them the desired statistical results.
I dated a girl who worked part time at a restaurant down town. She literally only worked weekends and in those 10 - 20 hours she would walk away with almost $100 an hour in tips alone. I won't lie I was a bit jealous. Working 40 - 50 hours a week on construction sites with my osha 30 and all my certifications and training I would be doing well bringing in half of what she had. You know what though? That's the free market economy in action.
When woman’ists speak about her job, they will 100% completely ignore that she earns tips and instead claim that she earns minimum wage or just slightly above minimum wage just because she’s a woman.
There are plenty of politicians that get their votes by pushing this myth and one must ask why these same politicians never seem to do anything about this supposed problem.
Ok two things. Firstly, according to Netflix explained, childless women on average earn the same as men. It is women who take time out to raise children that pay the price of sacrificing their career for parenthood. If parental leave was more equal across the sexes then the pay would be more equal. Secondly, as someone stated in this video, men are interested in things and women are interesting in people (and I would argue just living beings in general like animals). And whilst both require a high level of skill for some roles which men and women are both capable of, things tend to be more profitable than people. A lot of people based roles here in the UK are publicly funded which has an impact on the pay.
Another thing to keep in mind is the physical toll it takes on a woman's body compared to a man's. From what I see most woman are smaller and less physically sturdy than most males. I don't know if it's bone mass, muscle, or just a more boxy figure but I do know that a lot of times when it comes to physical weight that needs moved men usually are the ones that move it.
Despite what feminist think there are big physical differences between men and woman. Men have high muscle density, high bone mass, we have different bone structure.. And yes that all leads to men being much strong than a woman. Hell the average man is stronger than the strongest body builder woman. (And yes it has been proven)
In relationships there is a leadership and spend gap as well. For example, men are expected to initiate, plan and pay for dates and gifts. They are expected to take responsibility for the success of the relationship and are expected to spend a disproportionately higher amount in the relationship (pay for dinner, pick her up, her ring is thousands his is hundreds).
This doesn't even make sense. They're taking about pay gaps between similar jobs. If those jobs are so hard, those men didn't have to pick those jobs. Maybe women are just smarter in not choosing those types of jobs.
@@claff4573 Absolute braindead take. It does make sense, the studies that are commonly sited including the 82c to the dollar one just broadly took the income of a bunch of men and women, no matter the job, no matter the type of job and no matter the amount of hours worked. "If those jobs are so hard, those men didn't have to pick those jobs"; of course they didn't, but some people (mostly men) have a push to make as much money as they can, whether that's because they want to buy expensive things or, more likely, because of the common societal expectation that men are the providers for their families.
@@claff4573: 😂😂😂 Riskier jobs tend to pay more. Men choose riskier jobs because it pays more. Women don't. And then they cry about not getting paid as much as men. 😂 Dmb@ss...
I performed staffing at a psychiatric hospital. There was a need for on-call physicians in the evening, nights and weekends. Physicians were assigned hours to work that was rotated. The female physicians were always giving up or trying to give up their on-call hours. 90% of the time male physicians volunteered to work their hours with Asian Doctors doing a good portion of the work.
My brother and cousin are both the same age my cousin is a girl. She did law while my brother went and did engineering. My cousin was more focused on living the uni life while my brother was networking and building connections. My brother went on to move into a different industry and became a cloud engineer which for those who don’t know is a booming industry where you can increase your earnings quickly. My cousin on the other hand she couldn’t get a job with her degree spent a year trying and even thought about going into cloud computing but chose against it because she didn’t want to sacrifice what she needed to sacrifice now shes been forced to get a masters degree and based on the fact that we’re entering a recession I doubt she’s going to find a job. Gender has no effect directly on why there’s a gap between my brother and cousin my cousin was given a better opportunity as she went to tuition and had older siblings to support whereas my brother did go tuition but less often and didn’t have near as much support. One thing I notice is the need to make money vs the desire to make money. My cousin only desires to make money whereas my brother has a need along with a desire. The need will push greater than the desire. If you need something your less likely to waste you opportunities
Pay gap exists but that doesn’t mean a randomly chosen man will earn more than a randomly chosen women, even for the same job. The gap exists because the highest paying job are occupied most of the time by men. Anyway I just recently discovered this channel and it so refreshing to see someone just discussing politely about these kinds of topics with critical thinking and without polarization. It is so rare.
your comment dosnt really portray well why men are in higher paid positions though. Men are paid more generally becuase they take more life threatening jobs such as sewage works, machine operating, factory works, mining etc. But also men in general have a higher propensity to focus on their career and focus more on climbing ladders while its common for woman to be happy in a lower paying job doing what they enjoy. Men in general dont care as much about their job and focus on earning money to support their families which allows men to get out the rut of this is a good job but it pays crap. Not to forget biological problems women have that will unfortunately effect their careers, pregnancy will effect a womans career which makes it harder for a woman to climb the career ladder. Over all in a like for like scenario a woman will be paid the same, however there is kind of natural discrimination against woman, but thats nothing that can be helped and unfortunately woman have to suck it up becuase its a hand dealt at birth. It baffles me how much is common sense yet people seem to have lost that common sense in favor of wanting to feel oppressed.
Recently had a washing machine fixed, they gave us a loan machine and took away ours. It was fixed by a very competent female the next day as they found they had the parts and don’t need to order them. I asked when it was getting returned and she said she couldn’t return it as her male counter part couldn’t put it on the truck as he was on holiday for a week. She also said she can’t install them as they are to heavy… I got my next door neighbour to dorp by on his way home from work and put it on the truck for her, then when she got to install it I helped her get it in place. Could she do the job she was paid to do…? Should she revive the same pay as some one that doesn’t need the help?
1:24 The classic, "There would be no wars is women where in power" argument. Has she never heard of how violently evil many women in power have been historically? Her argument is for people who have not learned history and just wanna feel warm and fuzzy. I would like to see her reaction if the next woman running for office was screaming the same things Hitler did. I live in Canada, I can tell you for a fact that even though the place I live has two women as the main party leaders, Its just as bad as is there were two men. Her argument is very blatantly a closeminded view of someone who has never lived in a place with a female leader.
I'm a software engineer, and I've seen women simply accept the pay they're given, and work hard to demonstrate their value every day. They feel undervalued, and unappreciated, and blame sexism for it. It's not sexism, it's just that corporations don't care about you or your hard work. I feel bad for them, because i've found it's a better strategy to see yourself as a mercenary with no loyalty, and jump from one job to another never accepting your current pay as your actual value. In 6 years i've increased my pay by 400% by doing this.
I would say men and women have equal opportunities, but minority of men have no problem working 70 hours a week to get to the top positions, meanwhile most people and especially women care more about actually living and enjoying their life and making a family. Men who are on top positions spend majority of their time at work, they barely see their children or their wife so even though they have a family, they sacrifice their life to be on the top. Let's face it, most people would rather have some sort of balance between work and spending time with our loved ones. The only unfair advantage men have when it comes to jobs and salary is that they don't have to think about pregnancy. Statistic clearly shows that men and women are paid the same until the wife gets pregnant and has a child. Because while her husband still goes to work, the wife takes time of work and has less options to get a raise or be promoted. But this is not men's fault, we are not to blame that only women can bare babies! If we look from the other perspective, men because they have stronger bodies usually take majority hard dangerous jobs. Men made 85% of all injuries, over 90% of all workplace fatalities and have a shorter life expectancy than women. So while men have no problem sacrificing their lives and health for the greater good, women should also have no problem sacrificing to have a little lower salary compared to men because they take more time of work to take care of the children. The biggest problem is feminist stating that men and women are the same, we are not! Because of biology we don't have the same bodies and our brains work differently. Men have some advantages in some places and disadvantages in other places and so do women. The bottom line is women have the ability to get to the top positions if they want to, but the competition is strong and you will have to put a lot of time and effort to get there. You can't expect that just because you are a women, men are going to make room for you so you can squeeze in. But the downside is you will have a harder time finding a husband and having a family. If you are willing to sacrifice your personal life to get there then go on ahead. Every successful person will tell that you have to work hard. But it seems like majority of women don't want to work hard, they want to work less, get the top positions and be paid same or more then men. Life doesn't work like that, you are fighting for equality but you want special treatments! In my country we already had a female president, a female at the head of the armed forces and female police chief. In free countries everything is possible if you have the will, determination, ambition, dedication...but if you are going to be complaining all the time, not work hard and have other priorities, then it's your own damn fault.
Yes, equal opportunity is what intelligent conversation on this topic boils down to every time. I'm sure there are situations where a woman will not be given a fair chance at an interview/screening because she's a woman, but that seems to be pretty rare in 2023. Also considering that women on average seem to want men that earn more than women, what we see in society seems to be natural.
Men statistically have been found not wanting to in the majority of cases. Albeit I believe this has more to do with society putting pressure on men to be the breadwinners and marrying up makes them feel less significant and undeserving. Also, to men looks matter more than money whereas the opposite is true for women statistically speaking.
@@okapi6727 do you think that societal pressure stems from something biological? Men and women are very different, I highly doubt it’s random that society pressures men to make more money
@@claff4573 He’s saying the reason for the wealth gap is due to men being pressured to make more and women not having that pressure. That’s why men making more is a non-issue as there is no difference when qualifying for the job, this is definitely related lol
I'm a guy who works in health care in the UK. It's probably not common in most jobs, but we talk a lot about our pay. The only factor that seems to affect it is experience and training.
The whole idea of negotiating for your salary probably has a lot to do with it as well. There's also plenty of men who get paid less than other men that have the same job.
Thank you for presenting issues in as neutral and fundamental of an approach as you have. I hope you can inspire more creators like yourself that choose not as much to push certain viewpoints but more to encourage a different and fair look at issues
One of the earlier responses was that men are, generally, more aggressive in terms of working overtime, asking for raises, etc. Are they more aggressive because so many women won't even consider a man as a partner if they earn less than the woman? It's a pretty significant motivator, in my opinion.
What I never hear discussed in videos about the topic is something I’ve heard in real life. Although anecdotal it does ring true to other societal assumptions. I had met up with an old friend from school and it turned out he had completely turned from business into childcare, he has a larger build and is a classic Aussie bloke. He told me that he experienced nervousness and general uneasiness about a male working in the childcare sector. Constantly parents would drop their kids off and when he would be at the front desk they would be a lot more defensive and physically near their child whereas when women counterparts were the ones to welcome them they were allowing them to be embraced. No matter if a kid liked him over his coworker the parent would be overly defensive about letting him touch their child. I understand the optics of potential pedo or something like that but the way I see it that is the same as a old white woman being scared of a person on the street because they are black. Double standards in HEAL sectors is unreal and never discussed
All I’m trying to say is that is doesn’t really incentivise men to explore these fields, just as I’m sure there are reason women wouldn’t want to explore field like construction or such
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I always find the pay gap to be a very, very controversial topic
What I find is, if you disagree with a narrative, people are quick to shut you up before you can even explain
It sort of forces you to seem to have different views
Same with how people are denying misandry
If you ask me, misandry is a very real thing, and is just unnoticed or suppressed
"thanks for watching"? Nah, thank you for uploading such high quality content
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With models its women status
With sports its sexism
Got it
Should have asked her if she watched the WNBA
Way different topics
Women don’t even watch the WNBA either. The truth is, it’s boring to watch.
@@Randomperson-if4hy true
@@claff4573
How?
6:52 - That blew me away when she claimed the NBA gets more views than the WNBA because of sexism... wtf?? It's literally just because it's better basketball. Some ppl do anything to claim moral high ground.
They literally explain why women gain less in certain industries and then blame it on sexism, they say that wnba gets less views but they don't watch it at all
It’s not even about who’s ‘better’. It just needs to entertain people because sports is an entertainment. The ‘best’ players aren’t often the highest paid either. Men watch the nba because it’s more entertaining than the wnba.
Women should start watching the wnba instead of complaining that men aren’t watching the wnba.
Should have asked her to name 3 WNBA players or teams.
If woman wanted to fix the WNBA they just have to go to games, buy the jerseys, and watch the game streams. They won't though, because the games are mediocre at best.
It isn't even that it's nessecarily better, it's just that dudes support their favorite male teams, but women literally don't care about women's sports
My wife and I both graduated college with a degree in Mechanical Engineering the same year. My GPA was .5 points better than her, and I passed the FE Exam while she didn't take it. Right out of college we applied for the same job, and they hired my wife. 3 years later, we both have engineering jobs, make about the same, and she is in line to be Engineering Manager at her company in the next couple months. I don't think you can say that there is a real wage gap when you compare apples to apples, which is incredibly hard to do. It is nearly impossible to get a statistically significant number of apples to apples comparisons for each distinct industry, region, and job title.
When u say u make about the same does that mean she makes around a dollar more? Or u?
Clearly she makes more.
I make < 1K more than her, but she will make a lot more than me when she becomes Engineering Manager
Was it hard to find a job with your ME degree? I’m looking into going back to school to finish my degree. I’m 24 and I just feel like it too late for me to get my ME degree
@@3self not too terrible, it was harder for us being we don’t like big cities, so it took a little while to find 2 ME jobs within a 30min radius of a small town (
Absolutely love your videos. As a women in STEM I can say that I get paid the exact same as my male counterparts. That being said, whether is biological or just a personal preference, they tend to take home more because they choose to work LOtS of overtime where I’d much prefer to work my 8 hours and go home. At the end of the day I don’t complain about a “pay gap” because it’s my choice and there is no way in hell I’m working 60 hr weeks 😂
thats why they live less time in average , society demands them to earn more money in order to be seen as valid, nobody else would do it they cant resort to other options
What is also a factor is that men have to earn more than women to be attractive to women, if a man can't provide then he has no chance of attracting a desirable partner. Men don't have the biological privilege of being desirable solely on their sexuality, men have to bring far more to the table and a large part of that is income and status.
True. Lol
In all honesty, I also wouldn’t want to work 60 hrs a week for the same wage 😅
Most guys don't want to work lots of overtime, but society has essentially dictated that men are the primary provider and therefore they feel an obligation to do what they can to make life better for their family. And even if they don't have a family, they feel an obligation to prepare for one. Most women I know in stem have a husband that makes more than her and she feels no obligation to do more as their life doesn't really demand more.
This. Hours and position determine things. But 2 people of the same position get paid the same. But the one that takes longer hours or shifts will get more money
As a male who waited tables in college, female waitresses made 2-3 times more than me in a single night. Id leave with 100-150 for the night and some girls would leave with 300-400 a night. I worked twice as hard for half the pay..
That's just your male privilege and you just don't see it
@@LukeSly91 what?
HA you know why though right? Not your fault but customers typically tip women more than men. Maybe try a gay nightclub or different venue.
@@Joseph_Robinette_Biden_Jr.1 sarcasm
Women servers, bartenders, registered massage therapists, most hospitality industry positions women are preferred over men. Also in the same industry, attractive women are more preferred over unattractive women, regardless of skill and professionalism. I'm saying this as a chef for 20 years
I applaud you for being able to keep a straight face without at least smiling at how dumb that answers are to your questions
'people watch men sports because sexism' how bout 'because top talent vs top *female* talent'
"Where is the woman president" wtf does it have to do with the question lol
he digs them without doing it is how he keeps a straight face. "do you have a job?" "no" "ok got it" he just called her an idiot for saying what she said without saying it lol
@@J03130 deserved💀
@@bl00dlikewayne Most women simply aren't willing to elbow their way forward into those positions and the ones who are simply happen to be a minority, which means the likelihood of them succeeding is also lower, just based off odds alone. There's really nothing strange about it. Not to mention, women really haven't had as long to try for the position either. Similar reason as to why there aren't as many women in top positions. Although I won't deny the existence of sexism either, obviously makes a difference, but if just as many women tried, we'd see more women in top positions regardless of sexism.
I've worked in corporate America for about 20 years and work in senior management. This kind of discrimination does not exist. Let me repeat that. It does not exist. for the same job, the same performance, we want to incentivize the best candidate to perform--we don't care about gender at all. And it's ILLEGAL. I cannot emphasize that enough. Women take circumstances and impose their own biases to reach bad conclusions. The pay gap does not exist for the same level of performance in the same role. In fact, today, it's easier for women to get roles than for me because of all the backlash--I've seen more qualified men get turned down in favor of less qualified women. Women will complain that men are in more executive roles and that it isn't 50/50. But there's a lot more to that... and it has nothing to do with a pay gap for the same performance for the same role. The women's soccer thing is hilarious, because women's sport is boring and earns very little revenue.
Exactly. And if you could just pay women less for the same work, why would anyone want to hire men at all?
I mean, Ive worked for companies that were terrified of not giving breaks to the letter of the law because of how costly fines could be let alone risking pay discrimination and that was iust on a restaurant level (dont worry, Ive moved on to much better since then). The business exists to make money, not for some "brotherhood" to give men a leg up and keep women down. There is no money to be made doing that.
You are right, I haven't worked in all type of corporate jobs but started my career in big 4 audit then moving to Ibanking I can say that even at the lower level it does not exist. Big 4 paid people equally shitty for the amount of hours we put in, and investment banking every is paid based on how many hours you put in and the number of projects you've been on. The salary banks offered were the same with VERY MINIMUM variations, what made it up was the bonus which was entirely based on our effects and time spent on job.
exactly
Studies repeatedly show that there's still about a 2% - 6% pay gap between men and women. If there was no pay gap, there likely wouldn't be very many studies coming out. Your industry might fairer for men and women, sure. Its naive to pretend like it doesn't exist just because you haven't seen it.
*The gap it does exist, but not for the reasons women say.*
Whats the reason?
@@rinokumera5907 The careers they choose to study and then the jobs they do.
i dont think there's a gender pay gap, it's just that some people don't want to work:v
@@quangsonpham9229 I think you could make that argument too. Some people are just lazy.
@@frang2023 and the ammount of hours worked
I chose to do biology in college. 63% of students graduating with a bachelors in biology or biotechnology in 2022 are women; that’s a 1.7 female to male ratio. I still see/hear about women in bio scholarships ALL THE TIME due to them being “underrepresented” in the field. It’s so blatant that it makes me sad and angry bc I’m losing opportunities. Also been told that I didn’t offer the diversity an internship was looking for (they hired 4 girls btw).
Not just biotech.
Higher education in America and globally is trending toward 1.5 women for every man.
Yet all the gendered scholarships are women only.
And instead of asking whether it's still needed, we hyperfocus on every discipline where it isn't true yet and corrupt the sciences with imported blue haired hacktivism by doing so.
I'm a BCompSci major. Feminists have been shouting about a lack of women in CompSci longer than I've been alive. CompSci at my uni was 15% female when I was born, and it was about 12% female when I graduated. (I chalk that up to videogames as a gateway drug and half the applicants being self taught before even studying, personally.)
Great progress the feminists have made there. Maybe by constantly shouting about it, women got the message: STEM is for Men. 😆
well....... women
I feel bad for you
Don't look at wage gap stats for millennials, lol. Women earn more than men already.
yet no one will feel sorry for you
I am a high school teacher, and I always want to ask "why don't girls like physics," but a question like that would just get me in trouble.
I teach AP Physics. Each year, I have a class of 20 - 25 students, and 2 - 3 of them are girls. I have many capable, intelligent girls in my regular physics classes (and in gernal, many of them have better academic habits than the guys), but something stops them from signing up for AP Physics. As far as race goes, my AP Physics class is very diverse and is a good representation student body, but I can't say the same for gender.
The pay gap is real. And to deny that the pay gap isn’t real, would deny the fact that men work more dangerous jobs. One of the greatest forms of male oppression is the amount of men that die in the workplace, as they take up over 90% of workplace deaths.
gap isn't real if you look at the same positiona
@@sexy_u I think that's OP's point, men take riskier jobs and hence get paid more. So the pay gap comes from the difference in jobs that men and women choose.
@@sexy_u yeah there is a gap of course but feminists dont look into why there is a gap, they dont care, they only say there is one.
@@BananaBandit13 yeah and hours worked, men work more hours on average than woman a week, but the gender pay gap is calculated on yearly salary not hourly.
I know what point you're trying to make but that's not pay gap. Pay gap would be a difference in pay for the same job. Comparing all jobs is asinine.
I sincerely appreciate the fact that a content creator puts out content that actually explores both sides of relatively hot topics. It’s very refreshing to see.
not only that, this guy is a genuine journalist exploring issues without making a clown out of either opinion. people call you an influencer which i highly disagree with. you are a journalist and it’s awesome to see.
I find it interesting she says, "If I were to ask for a raise, that would affect whether I can stay there, as compared to a [male] coworker." So, you haven't asked.
A lot of times women anticipate discrimination and don't even try out of fear, then blame discrimination for where they have ended up. Often, it isn't them, it's you.
Note: I'm a woman in STEM. I get treated exactly the same as my male counterparts.
Yeah I found her anecdote off as well.
I'm a woman too. Philosophy graduate. Full of men and old men you meet in symposiums and paper presentations. There's no discrimination. You get treated the same way as your male peers. Some women just like to cover up the fact that they can't stand up to something to discrimination, when it's them just being passive about their business.
That's women for ya 😂 My girlfriend had a dream that I had a threesome and she caught me. So now I'm this peoce of shit Cheater . Even though I never happened 😂😂 women tend to act quicker on emotions that's why
@@tkraid2575 honestly interested in what a philosophy graduate does? like what does your job entail?
It's the "if you think you're a victim, you'll see discrimination everywhere you go" at work.
"Men statistically get payed more than women"
"Do you currently have a job?"
"No I don't"
oml 💀
The problem with the whole "gender pay gap" concept is that on the surface it looks completely legitimate. However, once you dig deeper, you begin to see the cracks in the overall idea. None of this means that women can't face discrimination in the workplace, but in many cases it's less about them being women and more about individual choices within that career.
For instance, a fact brought up a lot is that "male nurses make more than female nurses." Off-hand, that sounds like textbook discrimination, but you need to stop and ask: WHY? The answer is that, on average, male nurses work longer hours, take more shifts, and are more willing to move to other locations where pay might be better (or at least there's a greater chance of upwards mobility). Does this mean there are absolutely no instances of female nurses being discriminated against? No, I'm sure it happens, but that's not the predominant factor when it comes to the wage discrepancy in this field.
Something else some women point to is that if a previously male-dominated field becomes female-dominated, the overall pay drops. They say this is because of sexism, and again, while that could be true on a case-by-case basis, the reason for this is that on average, women work fewer hours and believe more strongly in work/life balance. This means that even if the per-hour pay is equal, the women in that field will earn less because they are working fewer hours. Overtime, this becomes seem as "an acceptable pay range" and thus we see lower pay in a now female-dominated field that was once male-dominated.
I can't stress enough the "hours worked" part of the equation because it's almost always left out of the conversation, yet it's vitally important. In those situations where it's mentioned that women work fewer hours, it's side-stepped by saying "it's because women have children and want to spend time with their kids." Okay, but how is it unfair if women get paid less during that time? Having kids isn't a demand of your employer, therefore you don't get compensated for making a personal choice.
Quite often the (angry) response to this is something like: "Having and raising children is tough and important for the future!" I don't doubt it's a very difficult task and yes, kids are needed for future generations. However, none of that has anything to do with your job. If you're working 20 hours a week (because you need more time at home with your kids), why should you get paid the same amount as someone else who's working 40 hours a week in the same position? That's not even taking into account the overtime (which is often unpaid, but in some cases is paid) expected from employees who don't have kids to cover for those employees with kids.
And finally, jobs that seem similar or equal are often compared without looking at the details. For instance, there was a study a while back that said "female doctors earn less than male doctors, and fewer patients die to female doctors than male doctors." Here's the problem: the study didn't differentiate between what specialization that doctor had. In other words, they examined female family doctors/general practitioners to male heart surgeons, among other lopsided comparisons. This is how they came to the conclusion that male doctors out-earn their peers and how more patients die under the care of a male doctor, because of course a heart surgeon is going to earn more than a family doc/GP and of course more patients will die during surgical procedures than patients who're simply visiting their doctor to renew a prescription or get a form to take a blood test.
So is there a wage gap? Maybe on a personal, case-by-case basis, but on a macro level, there's no wage gap unless you ignore pertinent data specifying why these differences occur. And many who fervently argue that a wage gap exists and that it's all due to sexism either willfully ignore this data or are ignorantly parroting key points without understanding the full scope of what's happening. In either case, the facts are being twisted to fit a specific narrative.
You don't even need to look into it, it's in the name. "gender pay gap" in no way implies it is the result of discrimination, rather quite simply it is the disproportion of pay amongst the genders that is a result of many other factors unrelated to discrimination.
The gender pay gap is one of the finest examples of the equity fallacy.
I ain’t reading ALLAT
@@yo-yo3065you should, there are several excellent points/facts.
Wish women unserstood that.
They also did a study at Uber where it showed male drivers made more $ than female drivers.. But it was because male drivers worked the later shifts where rates were higher and we're willing to work areas where there were more fares. Also it showed men drove faster which also allowed them to get more pickups/calls vs women. AKA the wage discrepancy had nothing to do with sexism, it was 100% due to the personal choices that women made vs men.
"Let me womansplain you how male employers think" - unemployed telepath
ALSO: immediate BS of feminism is seen right away from witnessing that nearly all discrimination discussions always start by being presented as "women have it worst", rather than a gender-equal approach.
Why would it be a gender equal approach is a group of people is struggling more? huh. Women are dying of heart attacks more due to gender data gap not being up to par and women's symptoms which are majority of the time a lot different from men's (the default symptoms) not being considered, why wouldn't you address the people being harmed first?
"unemployed telepath" lmao. Underrated comment.
“Unemployed telepath”😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 i can’t with you!
I mean, I don't think it can be called 'womansplaining'. She was literally directly asked to explain her opinions. It is a little off the mark? Sure.
it's not bs when women do have it the worst
There is definitely a pay gap, but not at all for what people are told there is. Good video man and I appreciate your non-bias approach.
The pay gap exists for cornstars, but it's for the exact same reason with athletes and drama stars like Kardashians. Men love sports. Women love drama.
Men also love drama look at crime statistics it’s all men.
How does liking drama involve crime at all???? Crime is because of the intrinsic difference between men and women which relate to aggression. If anything that data point proves how the gender pay gap is actually less about sexism.
@@CzaintWhen people state "men" or "women," it doesn't mean "all men" or "all women" because that's just common sense. It's already implied.
Lol men don't like drama. The whole season with the memphis grizzlies was drama and men were loving every second of it. Someone can love sports regardless. Also ironic how you mention corn stars but don't want to mention majority of people watching it.
@okapi6727 I never mentioned crime.
I love your style. It's seeking information, not trying to convince others or introduce your facts in a degrading way.
@GEN I have to say you are a true investigative journalist who asks the tough question that many are afraid to ask. You don't see this kind of journalism anymore. Most people just write an article off of TikTok short and just try and wing it from there. Thank you for keeping journalism alive. 💯👍🏾👍🏾 Keep up the great work!
I felt happier once I started working less and spending more time with my daughter. And shoutout to my hard working husband who made this all possible!!
Shout out to the guy
Yes 🙌🏻 because they deserve it!
Fuck yeah! 🙏
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My wife is the same, even with 5 children to take care of AND homeschool. She has a Master's degree in psychology... and uses it daily :).
I couldn't hold down the job I do without her holding down the house. We're a team, and we work well together.
I think its important to define what "gender pay gap" is. I feel like the definition should be a pay disparity when one gender gets paid more despite having the same qualifications for the same positions. Not different postions.
Yet they're comparing baristas and bar backs to barristers and line backers
@@shinobi-no-bueno bars.
Right, because if you compare same job-same education-same experience there is zero pay gap. It's illegal to pay different pay for the same job. The only way there is a pay gap is if women take different jobs, work different hours, have different levels of work experience. Do "dirty jobs" and dangerous jobs pay more? Yes, and men do them. Do many women drop out of the workforce for a few years and have kids? Yes, and that affects their total work experience. There is nothing wrong with this, it's not a problem that needs to be fixed.
@@DragNetJoe The illegal argument isn't good tbh.
@@smashrosa8111 Why not? Most people don't even know that it's a law that's been on the books since 1963. Companies get sued if they violate it. You ask people off the street "should there be a law that says..." and most will say yes and have no clue that it has been on the books for 60 years.
The problem with the 82c to 1$ is that it includes all jobs because certain industries pay more than others and they should probably do studies for specific industries and job positions.
It also does not take into account hours worked and years in the role… I read a study summary that showed young women often outearn their male counterparts. When women start getting married and having families, they may decide to work less hours or leave the workforce- it’s a complete manipulation.
They will never do that because as soon as you tart drilling down into specific fields the data starts vanishing and sometimes even flips to show it is actually the reverse, here in the UK up to the age of 30 data shows women actually out earn men in mot cases - this is due to 20+ years of more women getting degrees (around 60% of university intake and graduates are female now). But shhhh we cannot talk about things that contradict the narrative.
choice gap
Yeah and the industires women tend to work in are less diverse than the male ones
Thank you for remaining unbiased. I literally never know your personal opinion because you are so good at playing devil's advocate. More reliable than the media for sure!
Thank you for brilliantly bringing up the conversation of many topics that most people get canceled for. Much respect !!!
W video as always, this guy really gets down to the core and leaves people with something to think about.
"... in the face of blatant discrimination that has no evidence other than these girls anecdotes..." Excellent.
Love your videos bro. Maybe add statistics paired with the questions you ask to the different groups, or pose those statistics to the people you're questioning to see if it sways their opinions
To be fair, I think people overlook another key factor; just because you ask for a raise, doesn't mean you deserve to get it. In my job I got awarded a "promotion" after lots of pushing and pushing, even being the #1 performer on my team by a large margin (i know this because we were sent weekly spreadsheets that outlined everyone's performance for each day of the previous work week). Not only have I been the #1 performer uncontested for over a year, I also have taken on multiple extra curricular responsibilities including training new hires and mentoring lower performers on the team. And I still had to fight to get my raise and promotion. And when my title in Teams changed to reflect it, one of the lowest performers on the team caused this big stink because she had been lobbying for the same promotion and called it out as sexism in the middle of a meeting saying she feels like her efforts are being overlooked due to her gender. Just because you THINK you deserve something, doesn't mean you are owed it.
Your ability to provide a message, stay objective, and be entertaining is unparalleled
Dude, you are the most underrated RUclipsr of all time. You give so much insight and your videos are so well put together. Keep it going
You make great videos! Thank you! The gender "pay gap" exists for a reason. And once you understand the nuance, you realize its actually a good thing. Like you said, equality of opportunity is what we really want, not equality of outcome.
There is a pay gap, its just not a GENDER pay gap. Its a choice pay gap, take more time off work vs working overtime make a huge impact on the total income/hr when these things are NOT taken into account
@@ssu7653exactly, the number is actually accurate but it's a difference in average National yearly income between men and women.
That's a totally different thing than two people getting paid differently for the same job
When negotiating salaries with the hiring manager women are more likely to play it safe and ask for the lower bracket salary to secure the job with regards to STEM.
It really comes down to your attitude in the work place, I’ve been lucky enough to have great feedback at work and given advice on how to carry myself better. I was told I’m too soft spoken and insecure about my work despite it being completed to a high standard, I appreciate that kind of honesty.
I’ve noticed that men are more likely to advocate for themselves and apply for jobs they’re less qualified for whereas women severely downplay their abilities and apply for jobs they’re sure they’re qualified for. If you don’t seem to believe in your own competence then obviously the employer is going to promote someone who clearly does. It’s not just about capability, it’s about how you conduct yourself. You can be proactive in the work place without possessing a victim mentality.
I’ve seen a woman get fired because every time she was reprimanded for doing something wrong she complained about it being an imagined gender discrimination instead of just taking accountability and learning from it like a true professional would. It was sad to witness because she actually had so much potential but got in her own way.
What I love the most about your content is that you are definitely one of the MOST neutral persons right now, you always try to get all the points of view that is possible. I really appreciate that because we are living on such a divided world right now, that we need more people like you. Thank you for that! Keep it up!
I work as psychologist, and my field is female dominated. I got discriminated because women managers wanted to hire other women, to have "women's teams" for whatever reason.
But I didn't go around complaining about it, instead I started contracting so I could get more money than those managers that rejected me.
I worked in marketing for several years. In the last two years a woman was given the top spot in my department and the new hires were suddenly all women. They started having work meetings where they simply didn't invite the male employees.
Sounds like discrimination based on sex to me
I’m so sorry that sounds like hell to work in. And those women shouldn’t be in the field of psychology, they are blandly showing bias which is specifically what they shouldn’t be doing.
You dealt with it in a manly manner. No complaints, push forward.
That is not a field where women should be discriminating against men lol. All women teams sounds pretty sexist to me.
Legit one of the best RUclipsrs right now, saving society in an entertaining way.
Why doesn't he question any of the manopshere content? Or andrew tate?
@@claff4573???
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@@claff4573There’s not a lot to question to be fair . This leftist liberal mindset is faar more dangerous
@@claff4573 What kind of questions would you like about it?
@@claff4573 he has already
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"We live in a capitalist society, and therefore we value people's worth on demand."
Almost like people who contribute more to society should be valued and paid more than others. 🤷♂ Crazy how that works. 🤯
Contribution to society does not equal worth in a monetary sense. Teachers and such are not paid more than certain jobs. Now I don't care enough to want to increase their pay beyond inflation as I am a capitalist; I am just saying contribution to society itself can't be valued based on monetary outcome for the individual. Demand does mark their worth to the economy of that moment but not to society.
@@aaronmontgomery2055 You can't always quantify the amount that some jobs such as teachers contribute. And it's much easier to become a great teacher than a mediocre neurosurgeon or nuclear physicist, so society will have a higher demand for those jobs which require more specialization and expertise therefore pay more, otherwise no one would ever want to work those occupations.
@@datboijdope No I absolutely agree on paying those people more (the ones the economy decides to) but I am saying contribution to society isn't marked by how mush someone is paid. Like a stripper who gets paid more than 150k does not contribute more than a garbage worker however I at the same time agree with the stripper getting paid more if that is what the market says.
I worked in construction for 30 years . I probably saw 20 females in that time and mostly flag wavers. The heavy work rarely had any females.
It really depends on the industry, but the one thing I learned in my 20's working as a self-taught dev in the tech world, that gave men an advantage, was confidence and negotiation skills. Women, myself included, who learned confidence and negotiation skills can easily eliminate that pay gap. It's really frustrating that this isn't pointed out--and actually completely ignored. There are also always going to be industries where men earn more (most sports) and women earn more (modeling). That's just the way it is.
Women give up more when challenges face them. There has been studies that portray that.. not to mention that dealing with a computer and development, women in general, are not into that
I remember when I was in college and any one asked me how far I wanted my education to go, it was always the highest degree for the highest position. 99% of women in the same field just wanted the basic level of education for the profession with minimal responsibility. I don't think most women have the desire to push for higher positions.
Nor are women really persuade to
When you see the videos interviewing average looking women on the street saying they wouldn't marry someone who makes less than 400K (which would be in top of the 1%) it just re-enforces that society see's main men's value in how much they make
@@shannenmr 400K?????!??! holy crap, what even makes that much?!?
Really good video dude!
I think the problem is that there are so many double standards and situations where the common arguments are/ are not valid that it can seem like it boils down to what you have hear or seen rather than what is actually the case which varies from industry to industry and individual to individual.
1:35 it's incredible how she claims that women make less money on the same positions but she isn't even working yet
There is a common mentality among women in the workforce of being a victim. Nobody wants to promote a victim because they complain all the time, then belittle when they are in a role when they feel superior. I've worked for large corporations which choose underqualified women over qualified men to check a box, I've seen it blow up in their face time and time again.
This guy is so great and unbiased.
There is definietly a gap in some areas, but not for the reasons most people think, great video! I like how the element that affects the videos most are the people you interview, keep up the good work!
I’ve unfortunately met a lot of entitled women who comes into the job in 3 month and demand for a higher title and then leave to the next best thing after messing the entire department up.
I think it's an excellent point to bring up, about depending on the industry, the pay gap can change
the USWNT lawsuit is the perfect example of how some women are severely misinformed about the supposed pay gap.
As an HR, we never factor in gender when considering salary proposals. Our focus has always been on education, training, and years of experience alone
As much as I love watching videos with "gotcha" points with facts, this man comes in at a neutral stance and asks some serious questions.
I love you content. After I watching a part of one video, I thought you were bias and pushing an agenda. Now that I’ve watched a few videos, not only is your production and editing amazing but you’re unbiased, intelligent present all sides of the topic. Elite content.
"men g-g-g-get paid m-m-more for whatever they do" looks to woman for approval
What a fantastic channel!!! Hats off to you being able to stay so neutral and pleasant in your conversations.
Is there a gap? Yes, there is.
But it’s not because of “patriarchy or sexism”, it’s because there are differences in jobs. If you take a man and a woman and look what jobs they could take, they’d have different preferences and those are the reason women get “paid less”. It’s hard to find the same job where men and women earn different pays. I work in IT, I get paid the same as my male coworkers. Haven’t yet heard a woman gets paid less than a man in same position.
Also, there are differences for same positions between male pays in different firms so… too many factors to cover in one comment.
They're talking about similar jobs, not a truck driver and a mcdonalds working expecting the same pay. Having different preferences for a job has nothing to do with being paid less simply for being a woman.
I worked in resourcing for a call centre and for 7 years the top 50 overtime staff every single week was 90+% males, there was one notable exception where a woman working overtime until her visa ran out was number one on the list for 6 months. No patriarchy, no sexism just unlimited overtime available but mostly males who took the offer up and therefore earned more.
We have transitioned from the age of dignity, to the age of victimhood. it's very dangerous.
I work at the post office. We all get paid the same per level.
My mom ran a company under her position as manager and she never once asked for a pay raise out of the 25 years working there. My father randomly applied at a Fish market two years ago and demanded a higher pay and argued with the owner for a more competitive salary within the first few months of working there. Within one year my father went through several promotions and makes more money than my mom now. It’s an example that men typically argue and fight for more competitive pay and better positions within a company. It’s not discrimination or misogyny, it’s just basic that men are more competitive and aggressive than women.
this is a really good channel that hits some tough topics
Also what type of equality are we striving for? Equality of outcome or equality of opportunity? I think this is an important aspect we have to consider when it comes to societal issues.
equality of outcome is what these freaks want clearly. equality of opportunity is already a fact so obviously they want equality of outcome. Men will pretty much always outperform women in the work force and they can't have that.
Geez man, every single video this guy puts out is a banger. The research is so good and the unbiased conversations are interesting and refreshing to see.
The only job I had where I worked with women, we both had the same start salary and you got the same amount of increase depending on time in the company. BUT there were limits on what women were allowed to lift for their health, so each day they did about 20% less than men. (Yes we had perfomance sheets)
This channel is very unbiased. You dont get a lot of that on the internet lol. Keep up the good work
The gender pay gap is arguably the best example of the equity fallacy, where a statistical disproportion is not necessarily the result of discrimination, but it is shown and told to be. I wonder how much longer and how many more times this needs to be disproved before people stop referring to it as discrimination within in the workplace and quite simply, is finally acknowledged as all the factors that result in the disproportion.
This has been going on for decades and the "progress" we've seen is that more of the false nonsense is being taught to more children as fact rather than being presented as an idea or an opinion.
Great video as always!
The pay gap isn’t gender based, it’s childcare based. If you take away stats for mothers who take time out from their careers for a newborn the pay gap is 0.99 for every $1 earned by males, almost negligible.
Super curious, are you able to send me a link to where i can find those stats?
No it would be a dollar to a dollar
@@ktwizzleI found a forbes article that had an adjusted gender pay gap that accounted for everything form industry to hours worked it’s called the adjusted gender pay gap
@@LightningThief-ck9ml I found a forbes article that had an adjusted gender pay gap that accounted for everything form industry to hours worked it’s called the adjusted gender pay gap in it it was 0.99 to the dollar
The difference in interests between men and women is very real and does impact career choice. HOWEVER, there is also research that shows that males and females learn differently and one reason that we choose different field is because of how we connect to what is being taught. If more men are in stem, then more men will be teaching stem and therefore more boys will be interested in stem. There might be more women interested in stem if it was taught to them differently.
That’s actually a really good point. Haha seeing comments like these always make me wish I could continue to add more to the video even after it’s posted lmao
Great video! I think the problem with the entire pay gap discussion is the unwillingness to meet eye to eye and accept facts. There is far too much denial and feelings involved that it's impossible to have a healthy discussion about what the actual issues are and how to solve them. Because the "pay gap deniers" are unlikely to say women should get paid less, most of them will want women to earn as much as men, assuming they do the same things. There is no difference in the desire of outcome, the procedure is what's different.
The problem is they're misrepresenting hourly pay of two people doing the same job with the average yearly income of any man and any woman in the country in any profession.
Aka= An average Yearly income gap
The Gap exists, but it's not what people claim it is.
Thanks!
Thank you so much!
This is the fundamental difference. Men have to succeed women choose to. A woman knows most of them at any point if they wanted to, could fall out of the work system or significantly reduced their work presence because they have a guy that they know they can depend on a man can only depend on himself and fundamentally we know that.
The gap is real, but the reason is not "THE PATRIARCHY". It's a myriad of factors that are not necessarily good or bad. They're just realities...
When it comes to maturnity leave, you have to factor in the fact that a family/mother should be financially prepared for childbirth and child care. If you're going to have a child you should be ready for one.
yes but nobody forced her to have it, so she must have accountably of her actions , since she has the right the vote so she is accountable right?
@@neoglaciusa working lady normally will conceive a child at some point so maternity leave is not the same as vacation
@@emoaf8555 what do u mean, who forced her to have it?
Some women would rather be on only fans than be a software engineer
"Gender pay gap"
It is lifestyle choices primarily. A perfect example are Ontario Healthcare workers. A study came out in the last couple of years showing a wage gap in Ontario Healthcare workers. This immediately raised some alarms for me because I know that Ontario Healthcare workers are paid according to the OHIP schedule. It is a social healthcare program and the Ontario government doesn't have a pay schedule for men and a separate pay schedule for women. If we did it would be a clear case of discrimination. Instead the data reveals that there are more male cardiac and neurosurgeons, and more female obstetrician gynecologists and family care physicians. Knowing this, the researchers "adjusted" for this discrepancy using a made-up heuristic which provided them with the results they wanted. But the fact remains that male and female healthcare workers receive exactly the same compensation for the same medical procedure. The wage-gap amounts to statistical chicanery, whereby researchers make-up some heuristic to address the discrepancies in career selection that gives them the desired statistical results.
How don't u have a least a mill yet. Ur videos are pretty high quality. Keep it up
"what are some rights that men have but women don't"...pure silence...😬😐
We can be topless in public.
I dated a girl who worked part time at a restaurant down town. She literally only worked weekends and in those 10 - 20 hours she would walk away with almost $100 an hour in tips alone. I won't lie I was a bit jealous. Working 40 - 50 hours a week on construction sites with my osha 30 and all my certifications and training I would be doing well bringing in half of what she had. You know what though? That's the free market economy in action.
When woman’ists speak about her job, they will 100% completely ignore that she earns tips and instead claim that she earns minimum wage or just slightly above minimum wage just because she’s a woman.
Sounds like simping in action.
There are plenty of politicians that get their votes by pushing this myth and one must ask why these same politicians never seem to do anything about this supposed problem.
You have to keep voters coming back…..you can’t be solving problems….how will you get them to turn out next election?
I truly dont understant how you only have 204.000 subs, great vidios and intresting toppings, love
Ok two things. Firstly, according to Netflix explained, childless women on average earn the same as men. It is women who take time out to raise children that pay the price of sacrificing their career for parenthood. If parental leave was more equal across the sexes then the pay would be more equal. Secondly, as someone stated in this video, men are interested in things and women are interesting in people (and I would argue just living beings in general like animals). And whilst both require a high level of skill for some roles which men and women are both capable of, things tend to be more profitable than people. A lot of people based roles here in the UK are publicly funded which has an impact on the pay.
Another thing to keep in mind is the physical toll it takes on a woman's body compared to a man's. From what I see most woman are smaller and less physically sturdy than most males. I don't know if it's bone mass, muscle, or just a more boxy figure but I do know that a lot of times when it comes to physical weight that needs moved men usually are the ones that move it.
Despite what feminist think there are big physical differences between men and woman. Men have high muscle density, high bone mass, we have different bone structure.. And yes that all leads to men being much strong than a woman. Hell the average man is stronger than the strongest body builder woman. (And yes it has been proven)
In relationships there is a leadership and spend gap as well.
For example, men are expected to initiate, plan and pay for dates and gifts. They are expected to take responsibility for the success of the relationship and are expected to spend a disproportionately higher amount in the relationship (pay for dinner, pick her up, her ring is thousands his is hundreds).
Until women work in the, undesirable jobs and stop crying about excurtive positions, there will always be a pay gap
This doesn't even make sense. They're taking about pay gaps between similar jobs. If those jobs are so hard, those men didn't have to pick those jobs. Maybe women are just smarter in not choosing those types of jobs.
@@claff4573 Absolute braindead take. It does make sense, the studies that are commonly sited including the 82c to the dollar one just broadly took the income of a bunch of men and women, no matter the job, no matter the type of job and no matter the amount of hours worked.
"If those jobs are so hard, those men didn't have to pick those jobs"; of course they didn't, but some people (mostly men) have a push to make as much money as they can, whether that's because they want to buy expensive things or, more likely, because of the common societal expectation that men are the providers for their families.
@@claff4573 “Smarter” and paid less because of that choice. Women only want to be equal to %10 earners with a simple office job
@@claff4573: 😂😂😂
Riskier jobs tend to pay more. Men choose riskier jobs because it pays more. Women don't. And then they cry about not getting paid as much as men. 😂 Dmb@ss...
I’m enjoying your videos and the open kindness with curiosity it comes with . Good shit
I performed staffing at a psychiatric hospital. There was a need for on-call physicians in the evening, nights and weekends. Physicians were assigned hours to work that was rotated. The female physicians were always giving up or trying to give up their on-call hours. 90% of the time male physicians volunteered to work their hours with Asian Doctors doing a good portion of the work.
My brother and cousin are both the same age my cousin is a girl. She did law while my brother went and did engineering. My cousin was more focused on living the uni life while my brother was networking and building connections. My brother went on to move into a different industry and became a cloud engineer which for those who don’t know is a booming industry where you can increase your earnings quickly. My cousin on the other hand she couldn’t get a job with her degree spent a year trying and even thought about going into cloud computing but chose against it because she didn’t want to sacrifice what she needed to sacrifice now shes been forced to get a masters degree and based on the fact that we’re entering a recession I doubt she’s going to find a job. Gender has no effect directly on why there’s a gap between my brother and cousin my cousin was given a better opportunity as she went to tuition and had older siblings to support whereas my brother did go tuition but less often and didn’t have near as much support. One thing I notice is the need to make money vs the desire to make money. My cousin only desires to make money whereas my brother has a need along with a desire. The need will push greater than the desire. If you need something your less likely to waste you opportunities
Gender has a big impact on it men on average work harder longer hours and makes the sacrifices needed where women don't as much
Pay gap exists but that doesn’t mean a randomly chosen man will earn more than a randomly chosen women, even for the same job. The gap exists because the highest paying job are occupied most of the time by men.
Anyway I just recently discovered this channel and it so refreshing to see someone just discussing politely about these kinds of topics with critical thinking and without polarization. It is so rare.
your comment dosnt really portray well why men are in higher paid positions though. Men are paid more generally becuase they take more life threatening jobs such as sewage works, machine operating, factory works, mining etc. But also men in general have a higher propensity to focus on their career and focus more on climbing ladders while its common for woman to be happy in a lower paying job doing what they enjoy.
Men in general dont care as much about their job and focus on earning money to support their families which allows men to get out the rut of this is a good job but it pays crap. Not to forget biological problems women have that will unfortunately effect their careers, pregnancy will effect a womans career which makes it harder for a woman to climb the career ladder. Over all in a like for like scenario a woman will be paid the same, however there is kind of natural discrimination against woman, but thats nothing that can be helped and unfortunately woman have to suck it up becuase its a hand dealt at birth.
It baffles me how much is common sense yet people seem to have lost that common sense in favor of wanting to feel oppressed.
When shall this myth die?
like a few other people have said it does exist but it is simply for entirely different reasons than what people think is the reasons
@@meep7701 In Germany the pay gap is 6% but doesn't account for actual hours worked. So I'd say it's a myth at least in some countries..
@@okaySam yeah true
It’s still applicable with boss bias but not for specific jobs.
Recently had a washing machine fixed, they gave us a loan machine and took away ours.
It was fixed by a very competent female the next day as they found they had the parts and don’t need to order them.
I asked when it was getting returned and she said she couldn’t return it as her male counter part couldn’t put it on the truck as he was on holiday for a week. She also said she can’t install them as they are to heavy…
I got my next door neighbour to dorp by on his way home from work and put it on the truck for her, then when she got to install it I helped her get it in place.
Could she do the job she was paid to do…? Should she revive the same pay as some one that doesn’t need the help?
1:24 The classic, "There would be no wars is women where in power" argument. Has she never heard of how violently evil many women in power have been historically? Her argument is for people who have not learned history and just wanna feel warm and fuzzy. I would like to see her reaction if the next woman running for office was screaming the same things Hitler did. I live in Canada, I can tell you for a fact that even though the place I live has two women as the main party leaders, Its just as bad as is there were two men. Her argument is very blatantly a closeminded view of someone who has never lived in a place with a female leader.
monarchies with queens had 27% more wars
I'm a software engineer, and I've seen women simply accept the pay they're given, and work hard to demonstrate their value every day. They feel undervalued, and unappreciated, and blame sexism for it. It's not sexism, it's just that corporations don't care about you or your hard work. I feel bad for them, because i've found it's a better strategy to see yourself as a mercenary with no loyalty, and jump from one job to another never accepting your current pay as your actual value. In 6 years i've increased my pay by 400% by doing this.
i keep hearing about that job hopping strategy in software engineering and it sounds fun
I agree with the misthios So many people don't get this.
I would say men and women have equal opportunities, but minority of men have no problem working 70 hours a week to get to the top positions, meanwhile most people and especially women care more about actually living and enjoying their life and making a family. Men who are on top positions spend majority of their time at work, they barely see their children or their wife so even though they have a family, they sacrifice their life to be on the top. Let's face it, most people would rather have some sort of balance between work and spending time with our loved ones.
The only unfair advantage men have when it comes to jobs and salary is that they don't have to think about pregnancy. Statistic clearly shows that men and women are paid the same until the wife gets pregnant and has a child. Because while her husband still goes to work, the wife takes time of work and has less options to get a raise or be promoted. But this is not men's fault, we are not to blame that only women can bare babies!
If we look from the other perspective, men because they have stronger bodies usually take majority hard dangerous jobs. Men made 85% of all injuries, over 90% of all workplace fatalities and have a shorter life expectancy than women. So while men have no problem sacrificing their lives and health for the greater good, women should also have no problem sacrificing to have a little lower salary compared to men because they take more time of work to take care of the children.
The biggest problem is feminist stating that men and women are the same, we are not! Because of biology we don't have the same bodies and our brains work differently. Men have some advantages in some places and disadvantages in other places and so do women.
The bottom line is women have the ability to get to the top positions if they want to, but the competition is strong and you will have to put a lot of time and effort to get there. You can't expect that just because you are a women, men are going to make room for you so you can squeeze in. But the downside is you will have a harder time finding a husband and having a family. If you are willing to sacrifice your personal life to get there then go on ahead. Every successful person will tell that you have to work hard. But it seems like majority of women don't want to work hard, they want to work less, get the top positions and be paid same or more then men. Life doesn't work like that, you are fighting for equality but you want special treatments!
In my country we already had a female president, a female at the head of the armed forces and female police chief. In free countries everything is possible if you have the will, determination, ambition, dedication...but if you are going to be complaining all the time, not work hard and have other priorities, then it's your own damn fault.
Yes, equal opportunity is what intelligent conversation on this topic boils down to every time. I'm sure there are situations where a woman will not be given a fair chance at an interview/screening because she's a woman, but that seems to be pretty rare in 2023.
Also considering that women on average seem to want men that earn more than women, what we see in society seems to be natural.
The desire to marry up is not only an echoe of past reliance but just logical. I mean who wouldn't want to marry up.
Men statistically have been found not wanting to in the majority of cases. Albeit I believe this has more to do with society putting pressure on men to be the breadwinners and marrying up makes them feel less significant and undeserving. Also, to men looks matter more than money whereas the opposite is true for women statistically speaking.
@@okapi6727 do you think that societal pressure stems from something biological? Men and women are very different, I highly doubt it’s random that society pressures men to make more money
What does relationship dynamics have to do with people making an equal livelyhood when qualifying for a job?
@@claff4573 He’s saying the reason for the wealth gap is due to men being pressured to make more and women not having that pressure. That’s why men making more is a non-issue as there is no difference when qualifying for the job, this is definitely related lol
I'm a guy who works in health care in the UK. It's probably not common in most jobs, but we talk a lot about our pay. The only factor that seems to affect it is experience and training.
The whole idea of negotiating for your salary probably has a lot to do with it as well. There's also plenty of men who get paid less than other men that have the same job.
Thank you for presenting issues in as neutral and fundamental of an approach as you have. I hope you can inspire more creators like yourself that choose not as much to push certain viewpoints but more to encourage a different and fair look at issues
Thomas Sowell debunked this myth half a lifetime ago, but people never learn.
One of the earlier responses was that men are, generally, more aggressive in terms of working overtime, asking for raises, etc. Are they more aggressive because so many women won't even consider a man as a partner if they earn less than the woman? It's a pretty significant motivator, in my opinion.
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My first office job (banking) the 4 people above me were all women. When I was training a new hire (woman), she was paid more than me.
What I never hear discussed in videos about the topic is something I’ve heard in real life. Although anecdotal it does ring true to other societal assumptions.
I had met up with an old friend from school and it turned out he had completely turned from business into childcare, he has a larger build and is a classic Aussie bloke. He told me that he experienced nervousness and general uneasiness about a male working in the childcare sector. Constantly parents would drop their kids off and when he would be at the front desk they would be a lot more defensive and physically near their child whereas when women counterparts were the ones to welcome them they were allowing them to be embraced. No matter if a kid liked him over his coworker the parent would be overly defensive about letting him touch their child. I understand the optics of potential pedo or something like that but the way I see it that is the same as a old white woman being scared of a person on the street because they are black. Double standards in HEAL sectors is unreal and never discussed
All I’m trying to say is that is doesn’t really incentivise men to explore these fields, just as I’m sure there are reason women wouldn’t want to explore field like construction or such