Another possible reference is with the name Dulcinea: Dulcinea del Toboso is a fictional character in the Spanish Novel "Don Quijote". She is described as this perfect woman who is beautiful, sweet and kind. However, although she is constantly mentioned by Don Quijote thorough the story, Dulcinea is never really seen at all and it gives the reader the impression that maybe she does not exist. During Act I of GtN, Dulcinea presents herself as this beautiful and sweet lady. However, it's not until Act III that the reader finds out that the real Dulcinea doesn't exist.
To add to your findings, in latin "dulcis" means "sweet" and the suffix "nea" is usually found at the end of a woman's name. So her name would translate as "the sweet woman"
Owwww I actually was surprised when I commented this to a non spanish speaker that never heard of El Quijote, it was kind of a dead give away for me (as someone that is studying hispanic literature) that she was probably not real or the real Dulcinea
Oh man...that also reframes a part of the unwanted guest bonus story...but since this is a top comment on a video about the first book in the series I won't say anything else lol
huh! i barely passed my spanish classes six years ago but i knew the word dulce meant sweet and i thought it was a fitting name for dulcinea, but having not read don quijote, i didnt know the true depth of meaning behind her name >:0
Wait, seriously? That's fantastic. At this point I would have believed they were a Dangeresque reference, she goes so damn deep in the paint with her internet media references
The first example you gave actually has an additional reference. While the back half does call back to the blade meme, the 2 swords in one hand, 1 in the mouth aludes to the manga One Piece, where one of the main characters fights like that.
Somehow I missed most of these so the first one I noticed was in harrow the ninth. None planets left grief. Facepalmed my hand straight through my skull.
A reference I caught was for Zelda. Gideon is calling Harrow all kinds of silly titles and one name is extremely close to Twilight Princess, a moodier Legend of Zelda game.
See, that’s where I go to Star Wars, first. Han Solo sarcastically calling Leia those reverential titles. First bit of tension breaking banter and smashing of social niceties. I love the similarity to Zelda, too.
Specifically, Gideon uses the phrases "gloom mistress", "penumbral lady", "night boss", almost says "bone empress", and afterward uses "my tenebrous overlord", but it's Harrow herself who says "twilit princess" I'm not sure if there's any significance to that distinction, but there might be some
@extantcadence2707 yes thank you. Made my comment after only my first read through and had to paraphrase lol but I think it counts, its too close not to be on purpose I think. Plus I just like to imagine twilight princess is a game Muir would enjoy and want to slip in there subtly
i didnt realize the “while you were doing x i studied the blade” had a source other than tumblr. i thought the original meme was “while you were busy being heterosexual” which i thought was fitting given the lesbian nature of the book
Dulcinea has a line to Abigail: "I would love you to explain your work, just so long as you pretend that I am five, and go from there," which I think is a reference to the subreddit r/ExplainLikeImFive.
@@GinaLuciaReads "My body is ready" was said by a Nintendo executive, Reggie Fils-Aime, when advertising Wii Fit, but the internet turned it into a sex joke.
@@josephbruyers6458 I never knew the source of that meme until I listened to the locked tomb podcast. I thought it was some auto fill screenshot thing. And I still thought it was hilarious. But knowing someone actually said that is even better.
I'm quite sure there's a the secret history reference too. I believe Harrow says something like: A typical seventh house flaw, a deadly longing for the picturesque. Probably shortly after finding out about beguiling corpses or other stuff about Dulcinea. In the Secret History a very known quote is reminiscing about the protagonists "fatal flaw", which he concludes to be " a morbid longing for the picturesque at all costs"
You're totally right. I just read Gideon this weekend and became obsessed, so I immediately read Harrow and am currently reading Nona. That just blurred together in my mind, sorry
I think you're right about Alice in Wonderland. Not only does Gideon find the keyhole "curious," but shortly after that she goes down a deep, dark hole into a bizarre place like Alice down the rabbit hole into Wonderland.
I thought it was Harrowhark, in Harrowhark the ninth, when Orthus keeps saying " its only for my mothers pride and my houses scarcety that I call myself a cavalier" and Harrow replies she has heard it al before so she expects him say something new and challenges him to just spit it out by saying " my body is ready" .
She truly is! I'm absolutely going to have to re-read the whole series again after as well. Although I've kind of been re-reading Harrow for the Harrow memes video I'm putting together. There are so many things I simply forgot happened.
Yes! Somebody else said that too and I totally don't know enough One Piece to notice the reference! I picked Bleach as my Manga of choice back in the day 😋
coming in to be that guy sorry 😂 there's actually a pronunciation guide in the back of the paperback edition of the book! (The copy you're holding in the video) The actual pronunciations given are very different from the audiobook most of the time - definitely check it out if you're interested!
The level of depth and the layers in these books are unbelievable. Thank you for mentioning the Protesileus reference, I had no idea but that’s such a genius bit of foreshadowing.
I don't know if this was intentional on Tamsyn's part, at 1:36 there's a reference to roronoa zero from one piece. He tri-wielding swords, two in his hands and one in his mouth
if you speak portuguese, spanish or italian as your native language, most names are pretty easy to guess the sounds for (Muir clearly enjoys latin sounds)
The pronunciation given in the back of the paperback has it as: Prot-eh-sil-OW-us. "Prot" rather than "prote" I'm just running around letting everyone know there's a guide provided by the author because it is golden and made the book so much easier to read lmao
Nona the Ninth (3rd book) Spoilers! Speed holes come up again. She gets them not too long after that scene when she's impailed. They're explicitly called speed holes in Nona. Tamsyn Muir disguising foreshadowing in meme references. Fantastic.
@@GinaLuciaReads Yes 😅 I saw that video just after making this comment haha. They're all good videos! Thanks for the tlt content, I can't get enough of this series ^_^
@@GinaLuciaReads ngl Gideon the Ninth has single-handedly made me restructure my criteria for counts for a 5-star rating on StoryGraph because it's in a league of it's own
Lol, I loved the ending of this video...good to know I'm not the only one that has trouble with pronunciation...finally came back after a week off the socials ❤📖📚
I only found these videos just now and I have to thank you. Although I recognized the memes, I didn’t know the references. Those are super interesting too! Though maybe not as funny. The locked tomb podcast found several Bible ones that you missed, however.
What a bunch of fun easter eggs that I completely missed. I did enjoy the book though... after I got through the first three chapters. I have more thoughts here: ruclips.net/video/6aCp8Ms1NRE/видео.html
raise your hand if you got all the modern references but few/none of the classical references (also raise your hand if you're ready for NONA THE NINTH)
The very first meme GL talks about, she misses one! "One sword in each hand, and one in her mouth" is a clear reference to the Manga and Anime 'One Piece,' in which one of the characters carries and uses 3 katanas, one in each hand, and yes, one in his mouth. Ha! (One Piece is also in live-action on Netflix.)
you say cytheria so differently to how i say it! there's an achewood reference in gideon too but i can't remember what it is. i'll let you know next time i reread ;D
Haha I looked it up and according to Google it's sith, but I was saying syth originally. Who freakin' knows. Yeahhh I tried to find that but just couldn't!
@@GinaLuciaReads I can’t remember the ones in Gideon, but there are two in Nona: Pal mentioning erotica involving sitting on birthday cakes, and Nona’s “you’re mad at me, shame on you!” Tamsyn cho confirmed?
The pronunciation guide in the back of the paperback has Cytherea as: KITH-er-AY-a. Not "kith-AIR-ee-ah" NOTE: Reference to Aphrodite So it's a hard "C" sound :) Just letting people know there's a guide cause it's so good!
@@rudebega1494 thank u for this comment, i think i sent gina all the refs i found in book one but i def need to reread. i think it was something about screaming so long and so loud they'd have to send someone to be killed
wait I'm seeing so many of you saying you don't know how to pronounce the names, my book edition has multiple pages at the end of just name pronunciation and now i can see why hahaha
I didn't see this one mentioned, but it ruined the book for me. Several times she said "that's what she said." An obvious reference to Michael Scott and The Office. I didn't catch any of the others since I'm not a mythology buff or familiar with pop culture enough, having never watched the Simpsons, for example. Like @wiltonhall I don't understand the purpose. But I do enjoy this kind of video.
Why are these memes considered genius? They add little to the plot and are mainly extraneous, anyone can start with some reference and find a way to drop it in randomly to a narrative. The greek mythology reference to the first to die is more of a fit with the story, but even with this, what is "genius" about including it? As a writer you could literally just write down 10 random quotes and references from things you are reading and watching, then, edit them in whereve they might fit. And dropping them into dialogue quirks is probably the laziest way to do it. So genius? No.
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"... two swords in each hand and one in her mouth." This is definitely a One Piece reference, Roronoa Zoro.
@chinchila84 i also noticed that one recently on a re-read! I was like, wait omg that's Zoro for sure
Another possible reference is with the name Dulcinea: Dulcinea del Toboso is a fictional character in the Spanish Novel "Don Quijote". She is described as this perfect woman who is beautiful, sweet and kind. However, although she is constantly mentioned by Don Quijote thorough the story, Dulcinea is never really seen at all and it gives the reader the impression that maybe she does not exist. During Act I of GtN, Dulcinea presents herself as this beautiful and sweet lady. However, it's not until Act III that the reader finds out that the real Dulcinea doesn't exist.
Oh wow that's amazing! Thank you so much for sharing that!
To add to your findings, in latin "dulcis" means "sweet" and the suffix "nea" is usually found at the end of a woman's name. So her name would translate as "the sweet woman"
Owwww I actually was surprised when I commented this to a non spanish speaker that never heard of El Quijote, it was kind of a dead give away for me (as someone that is studying hispanic literature) that she was probably not real or the real Dulcinea
Oh man...that also reframes a part of the unwanted guest bonus story...but since this is a top comment on a video about the first book in the series I won't say anything else lol
huh! i barely passed my spanish classes six years ago but i knew the word dulce meant sweet and i thought it was a fitting name for dulcinea, but having not read don quijote, i didnt know the true depth of meaning behind her name >:0
I love that a good chunk of the memes in the series overall are literally from 10000 year old memelords
Haha me too
You Missed the fact that Griddle's glasses are - word of god - a reference to Dave Strider's iconic shades, from Homestuck.
Ohhhh nice. I had a feeling they were a reference but I had no idea what from
I did not know that and now I am happy.
Wait, seriously? That's fantastic. At this point I would have believed they were a Dangeresque reference, she goes so damn deep in the paint with her internet media references
I would've thought Top Gun.
oh my god... is Griddlehark just lesbian Davekat???? im going insane goddamn it tamsyn
The first example you gave actually has an additional reference. While the back half does call back to the blade meme, the 2 swords in one hand, 1 in the mouth aludes to the manga One Piece, where one of the main characters fights like that.
Oh amazing! Thank you so much for pointing that out! I've never watched/read One Piece so I absolutely wouldn't have spot that
@@GinaLuciaReads I did a double-take on my first read thru and then cackled to myself, so it's pretty burned in my mind
Somehow I missed most of these so the first one I noticed was in harrow the ninth. None planets left grief. Facepalmed my hand straight through my skull.
Ahhh yes! I mention that one in my Harrow memes video. So good!
That one nearly made me throw my phone at the wall (I have them electronically), but I think Jon's very first Dad joke takes the cake in HtN.
A reference I caught was for Zelda. Gideon is calling Harrow all kinds of silly titles and one name is extremely close to Twilight Princess, a moodier Legend of Zelda game.
Oh wow, I'm actually kinda upset I didn't get that one!
See, that’s where I go to Star Wars, first. Han Solo sarcastically calling Leia those reverential titles. First bit of tension breaking banter and smashing of social niceties.
I love the similarity to Zelda, too.
Nooo that's hilarious I deeply regret reading a translated version in my native tongue 😭
Specifically, Gideon uses the phrases "gloom mistress", "penumbral lady", "night boss", almost says "bone empress", and afterward uses "my tenebrous overlord", but it's Harrow herself who says "twilit princess"
I'm not sure if there's any significance to that distinction, but there might be some
@extantcadence2707 yes thank you. Made my comment after only my first read through and had to paraphrase lol but I think it counts, its too close not to be on purpose I think. Plus I just like to imagine twilight princess is a game Muir would enjoy and want to slip in there subtly
i didnt realize the “while you were doing x i studied the blade” had a source other than tumblr. i thought the original meme was “while you were busy being heterosexual” which i thought was fitting given the lesbian nature of the book
Dulcinea has a line to Abigail: "I would love you to explain your work, just so long as you pretend that I am five, and go from there," which I think is a reference to the subreddit r/ExplainLikeImFive.
OH. MY. GOD.
Omg how has no one mentioned "my body is ready"? such a famous meme lol
Oh gosh tell me more. I actually don't know that one
where in the book is that one?
@@GinaLuciaReads "My body is ready" was said by a Nintendo executive, Reggie Fils-Aime, when advertising Wii Fit, but the internet turned it into a sex joke.
@@josephbruyers6458 Thank you so much! That's amazing
@@josephbruyers6458 I never knew the source of that meme until I listened to the locked tomb podcast. I thought it was some auto fill screenshot thing. And I still thought it was hilarious. But knowing someone actually said that is even better.
I think I was dying of laughter for the Charlie the unicorn reference. My cousin might read this book and I hope they spot it when they do.
I think it's weirdly quite a hidden one! I'm excited to see how many references there are in Nona!
And in the audiobook Moira Quirk sounds just like the unicorns! I thought of them immediately.
I'm quite sure there's a the secret history reference too. I believe Harrow says something like: A typical seventh house flaw, a deadly longing for the picturesque.
Probably shortly after finding out about beguiling corpses or other stuff about Dulcinea.
In the Secret History a very known quote is reminiscing about the protagonists "fatal flaw", which he concludes to be " a morbid longing for the picturesque at all costs"
That one's in Harrow the Ninth. If I remember right, I added it in my Harrow Memes video: ruclips.net/video/XrhO0vpFh5o/видео.html
You're totally right. I just read Gideon this weekend and became obsessed, so I immediately read Harrow and am currently reading Nona. That just blurred together in my mind, sorry
I think you're right about Alice in Wonderland. Not only does Gideon find the keyhole "curious," but shortly after that she goes down a deep, dark hole into a bizarre place like Alice down the rabbit hole into Wonderland.
Love this video! I would also love to see one for HtN. I think the part where the Emperor says Wake's full name is hilarious
I'm planning on filming one next week so it will be out the week after! Then I'll have to do a Nona one 😋
Hmmm I thought that at least someone would mention how Gideon makes “that’s what she said” jokes at least a couple of times in the book!
The line "My body is ready" is said by, I believe, Gideon
I thought it was Harrowhark, in Harrowhark the ninth, when Orthus keeps saying " its only for my mothers pride and my houses scarcety that I call myself a cavalier" and Harrow replies she has heard it al before so she expects him say something new and challenges him to just spit it out by saying " my body is ready" .
I totally missed the Charlie the Unicorn reference and definitely can't wait to reread GtN after NtN! Tamsyn is a genius.
She truly is! I'm absolutely going to have to re-read the whole series again after as well. Although I've kind of been re-reading Harrow for the Harrow memes video I'm putting together. There are so many things I simply forgot happened.
hey hey, aren‘t we talking about the One Piece reference right there with the „teaching her holding a sword in each hand and one in her mouth“?!
Yes! Somebody else said that too and I totally don't know enough One Piece to notice the reference! I picked Bleach as my Manga of choice back in the day 😋
Speedholes make a comeback in the third book, too
Oh I never noticed these when I was reading!! Good spotting, looking forward to the next book.
It took a lot of time and Reddit helped honestly!
So glad you included outakes. I struggled with pronunciations all through Gideon and Harrow, often changing how I mentally pronounced names.
Oh gosh it's so difficult. There are so many names I had to look up and because I'm concentrating so hard, I mess up simple stuff haha
I checked out the audiobook of Gideon the Ninth through Libby. The first few minutes is all the character names on the Dramatis Personae page.
coming in to be that guy sorry 😂 there's actually a pronunciation guide in the back of the paperback edition of the book! (The copy you're holding in the video)
The actual pronunciations given are very different from the audiobook most of the time - definitely check it out if you're interested!
The level of depth and the layers in these books are unbelievable. Thank you for mentioning the Protesileus reference, I had no idea but that’s such a genius bit of foreshadowing.
I don't know if this was intentional on Tamsyn's part, at 1:36 there's a reference to roronoa zero from one piece. He tri-wielding swords, two in his hands and one in his mouth
I spotted that one too immediately! It seems like it could be intentional.
"They died on the way back to their home planet"
Thank you for saying "Protesilaus" so I could hear it and completely rethink how it was in my mind. :D
You're so welcome! The names are not easy that's for sure!
if you speak portuguese, spanish or italian as your native language, most names are pretty easy to guess the sounds for (Muir clearly enjoys latin sounds)
The pronunciation given in the back of the paperback has it as:
Prot-eh-sil-OW-us. "Prot" rather than "prote"
I'm just running around letting everyone know there's a guide provided by the author because it is golden and made the book so much easier to read lmao
It's eye-GLAM-an-ay though, at least according to the guide at the back ❤
Nona the Ninth (3rd book) Spoilers!
Speed holes come up again. She gets them not too long after that scene when she's impailed. They're explicitly called speed holes in Nona. Tamsyn Muir disguising foreshadowing in meme references. Fantastic.
Yessss, I mentioned this in my Nona memes video - so fantastic!
@@GinaLuciaReads Yes 😅 I saw that video just after making this comment haha. They're all good videos! Thanks for the tlt content, I can't get enough of this series ^_^
@@winterfollowsspring8637 Aw you're so welcome and same! I need more right now!
Dang, I only caught about half of these, I need to brush up on my mythology! Thanks a ton for the video!
Oh gosh you're so welcome! I had some help gathering these that's for sure.
I just finished Gideon the Ninth and I agree-absolute perfection in book form!!
It really truly is! My favourite book by far.
@@GinaLuciaReads ngl Gideon the Ninth has single-handedly made me restructure my criteria for counts for a 5-star rating on StoryGraph because it's in a league of it's own
@@katelynasmus9404 haha same. 5 stars are hard to give out now. All my past ratings seem weird in comparison
That very first one was not only the study the blade meme, but a reference to Zolo from One Piece with the three swords.
Wait that was already commented, as well as the Strider Shades
This video is incredible, it's the best i've seen in a very long time, thank you so much i love it!
Oh my gosh that's so sweet, thank you for saying so!
Did you stay until the end? 😏
Lol, I loved the ending of this video...good to know I'm not the only one that has trouble with pronunciation...finally came back after a week off the socials ❤📖📚
Haha so true. I'm not sure anybody can get it in one go unless you study it.
There's a guide by the author in the back of the paperback version! It was soooo helpful for me on my first read
I only found these videos just now and I have to thank you. Although I recognized the memes, I didn’t know the references. Those are super interesting too! Though maybe not as funny. The locked tomb podcast found several Bible ones that you missed, however.
Thank you so much! I'm sure I missed a lot of references too honestly.
What a bunch of fun easter eggs that I completely missed. I did enjoy the book though... after I got through the first three chapters. I have more thoughts here: ruclips.net/video/6aCp8Ms1NRE/видео.html
I think the tower scene is a reference to the Always Sunny in Philadeplhia pinboard scene
raise your hand if you got all the modern references but few/none of the classical references
(also raise your hand if you're ready for NONA THE NINTH)
I am SO excited for Nona!
This was great! I totally didn't spot most of these!
I know! Plus, I bet there are loads more I didn't spot!
The very first meme GL talks about, she misses one! "One sword in each hand, and one in her mouth" is a clear reference to the Manga and Anime 'One Piece,' in which one of the characters carries and uses 3 katanas, one in each hand, and yes, one in his mouth. Ha! (One Piece is also in live-action on Netflix.)
you say cytheria so differently to how i say it! there's an achewood reference in gideon too but i can't remember what it is. i'll let you know next time i reread ;D
Haha I looked it up and according to Google it's sith, but I was saying syth originally. Who freakin' knows. Yeahhh I tried to find that but just couldn't!
@@GinaLuciaReads I can’t remember the ones in Gideon, but there are two in Nona: Pal mentioning erotica involving sitting on birthday cakes, and Nona’s “you’re mad at me, shame on you!” Tamsyn cho confirmed?
@@rudebega1494 oooo yes, we got the one in Nona but I'm not sure about the other one! Thank you!
The pronunciation guide in the back of the paperback has Cytherea as:
KITH-er-AY-a. Not "kith-AIR-ee-ah"
NOTE: Reference to Aphrodite
So it's a hard "C" sound :)
Just letting people know there's a guide cause it's so good!
@@rudebega1494 thank u for this comment, i think i sent gina all the refs i found in book one but i def need to reread. i think it was something about screaming so long and so loud they'd have to send someone to be killed
wait I'm seeing so many of you saying you don't know how to pronounce the names, my book edition has multiple pages at the end of just name pronunciation and now i can see why hahaha
haha mine absolutely didn't have that. I had to Google every single one 😅
@@GinaLuciaReads Also includes the symbolism behind the name Protesilaus (the first to die) and some of the others. 🙂
Fascinating! thanks for that !!
Thanks for watching!
nice video! p sure it's cav a leer, not cav a lee ear, but you made me google it to check
i love her memes
Me too! Always so satisfying when you find one too!
Let’s have another for HTN
That may just be on the cards!
💜OOh Gina, Now I want to read Gideon 💜TY💜
You totally should, it's an amazing book!
SPEED HOLES
OMG ELI ITS ME SOAPY FROM PURPLEST BROS HIIII HAHHAHAHAHA
@@birblover6782 OMG HIIIIII
demense = "domain", that line rhymes with "seen / been / serene"
Probably the worst example of pronunciation vs. spelling in English. Blame the French.
I didn't see this one mentioned, but it ruined the book for me. Several times she said "that's what she said." An obvious reference to Michael Scott and The Office. I didn't catch any of the others since I'm not a mythology buff or familiar with pop culture enough, having never watched the Simpsons, for example. Like @wiltonhall I don't understand the purpose. But I do enjoy this kind of video.
I didn't get any of them lol
For future vids: it's pronouced cav- a- leer
Pro Tess uh low ess
Why are these memes considered genius? They add little to the plot and are mainly extraneous, anyone can start with some reference and find a way to drop it in randomly to a narrative. The greek mythology reference to the first to die is more of a fit with the story, but even with this, what is "genius" about including it? As a writer you could literally just write down 10 random quotes and references from things you are reading and watching, then, edit them in whereve they might fit. And dropping them into dialogue quirks is probably the laziest way to do it. So genius? No.