Triple-T #61 - ABS Journeyman - Part 1 - Forging the performance knife

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  • Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
  • In today's Triple-T (tools, tips and talk) #61, I'll be forging my ABS Journeyman performance test knife! Come along on this journey! (Links Below!)
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Комментарии • 143

  • @TheArtofCraftsmanship
    @TheArtofCraftsmanship 2 года назад +3

    Cool! Good luck Denis. Its fun watching you go through this testing process.

  • @thewaylonandjoeshow9540
    @thewaylonandjoeshow9540 2 года назад

    Glad to see I’m not the only one who forges in slides, lol. Good luck on your test Dennis!

  • @BurntFaceMan
    @BurntFaceMan 2 года назад +4

    Time to go on "Forged in fire" ^_^. Excellent show, great challenge to really make smiths learn and push their abilities. It got me into making knives as a hobby. My first even blade shattered due to bad heat treatment. But ive never done that since. :) I really want to get into swords, but dont live in a locatiom with enough space to reslly do it.

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад +4

      I've already applied, several times.. just waiting for my call! 😜

    • @michaeldc951
      @michaeldc951 2 года назад

      @@TyrellKnifeworks guess we need to send in emails to them supporting you!!! Someone start a petition!! Lll

    • @A-Non_kma
      @A-Non_kma 2 года назад +1

      I think we've all been begging and pleading! I bet they are afraid he'll replace Ben ;)

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад +1

      @@A-Non_kma dream job, check!

  • @theriversexperience9383
    @theriversexperience9383 2 года назад +1

    I think it's awesome that you are doing this. I've been thinking about it but I won't do it until I get a heat treating oven. Things like this need to be as controlled as possible to be able to perfect the heat treat and temper.

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад +1

      Yeah, I couldn’t imagine doing it without an oven. Thanks for checking out the series. 👍

  • @danwerkman
    @danwerkman 2 года назад

    Look forward to the next one.....

  • @johnalecritchie8646
    @johnalecritchie8646 2 года назад

    Congrats mate. A son-in-law who wants to spend time with you connecting and getting dusty is good. I have two daughters. That aside this video was awesome as always very educational and entertaining. Cheers.

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад +1

      Thanks for checking out the video, John! I do love getting folks into the shop and show them they can build things. 👍

  • @Willian_Boa_Tarde
    @Willian_Boa_Tarde 2 года назад

    I wish you success! Your blades are awesome!
    Anxious to watch the next steps on the journey.

  • @4yoHI
    @4yoHI 2 года назад

    “Pleasure at work” that's what I see Denis, I eagerly awaiting the new episode 👍

  • @YYCEyeGuyGord
    @YYCEyeGuyGord 2 года назад

    Good luck, you'll be a journeyman in no time! You've definitely got the talent to do it, my friend

  • @KyleDeanFarris
    @KyleDeanFarris 2 года назад

    It’s good to have all the modern day equipment, but it is not necessary. When I took the ABS basic knife making class, I forged a blade from 5160, heated it up in a forge for the edge quench, tempered it in a toaster oven, and blue backed it with a torch. It cut the rope 3x, chopped a 2x4 3x, shaved hair off my arm, and survived the bend test!

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      Yup, it's certainly not necessary. When it comes to selling knives, it's all about repeatability and consistency though. I like to know exactly what my heat treatment is and what hrc I'm coming out with so that I'm confident its a good knife for a customer. If its just for yourself, go at it however you like. That's my opinion anyway. Thanks for watching!

  • @42icee
    @42icee 2 года назад

    Looking at 2022 for my Journeyman. Need to spend some more time with a few folks, but I'm getting closer.

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      Right, I’ll be testing in 2022 as well. Perf test in Jan and the judging at Blade in June.

  • @KimP0612
    @KimP0612 2 года назад

    Can’t wait! The thought of bending a blade 90° makes my stomach hurt lol

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      You and me both! 😬. Thanks for following along!

  • @bobgore1962
    @bobgore1962 2 года назад

    I'm extremely excited about this one, my brother! As an Apprentice in the A.B.S. as well, and going to be doing this myself someday, I can't wait to see you succeed! 💯💪🏻😎👍🏻🔨🔥🗡️

  • @tarts9767
    @tarts9767 2 года назад

    Now I`ve watched the whole story and I like it ! Keep it up the same way !👍👍👍😊

  • @stephenjohnson6841
    @stephenjohnson6841 2 года назад

    Sounds/looks fun/challenging. Thanks for sharing your journey!

  • @armstrongforge5499
    @armstrongforge5499 2 года назад

    great work
    im going to join next year
    can't wait to see you at mastersmith

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад +2

      Do it early in the year because that starts the clock on your 3 years. If you wait until the latter half of the year, you'll have to wait an extra year to go to Blade and present your judging knives. 👍🏻

    • @armstrongforge5499
      @armstrongforge5499 2 года назад

      @@TyrellKnifeworks I'm going to join after the holidays
      Its a very busy time right now

  • @NjordArtisan
    @NjordArtisan 2 года назад

    Very interesting! Can't wait to see how it performs 👌

  • @adammalikmuhammad3747
    @adammalikmuhammad3747 2 года назад

    I'm waiting the next video.... thanks for education... And Good luck ...

  • @sudo_nym
    @sudo_nym 2 года назад

    Looking forward to see how this progresses, Denis
    Good job! 🙏🏻

  • @BrighamKindell
    @BrighamKindell 2 года назад

    I’m so excited to see how this turns out! Great work!

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      I hope it goes well! 🤞 but that’s why this is the test-before-the-test knife. 👍

  • @KageStelhman
    @KageStelhman 2 года назад

    You're going for your Journeyman Blade Smith Test... I've seen you so some things that would give a Master a Run for their money... No worries at your end, you got this :)
    Personally I would Spherodize the blade first, basically normalize twice at 1550 and 1475 degrees Quench, and then Anneal at 1200 degrees, then do your rough grinding
    and final hardening (personally I would go with Differential Hardening so your blade doesn't snap during the bend test plus you get a Hamon line out of the deal so
    Win/Win)
    Anyhow, Break a Leg Dennis :) .

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад +1

      That’s similar to the heat treat I’m doing except it’s a normalization followed by two grain refinement cycles, then an anneal. Instead of a differential hardening, it’s going to be blue-backed in the next episode. That’s the recommended process for the JS test knives. Thanks for your support.

  • @attananightshadow
    @attananightshadow 2 года назад

    Nice work.

  • @erikcourtney1834
    @erikcourtney1834 2 года назад

    I wish I would have joined the association years ago. I too have been wanting to make a test knife. I don’t think it would be to difficult really. Get your heat treatment right and blue back the spine. Of course with steel that hasn’t been compromised in any way.

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад +1

      Yup, I hope it goes well. That’s why I’m doing a test knife at home first. 👍

    • @erikcourtney1834
      @erikcourtney1834 2 года назад

      @@TyrellKnifeworks I think you’ll do just fine.

  • @HeavyForge
    @HeavyForge 2 года назад

    Right on!!! This is gonna be awesome to watch!🔥⚒💪🏻

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад +1

      Hopefully there's no epic snap on the bend test! 😜

    • @HeavyForge
      @HeavyForge 2 года назад

      @@TyrellKnifeworks I need a RH tester!!!

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      @@HeavyForge Yep, I have the Grizzly, works great!

  • @lyonmandan
    @lyonmandan 2 года назад

    Great work, I look forward to following along!

  • @Anderson-HandForged
    @Anderson-HandForged 2 года назад

    awesome video denis looking forward to next weeks episode sure keep us hanging for a week!!!! Lol you will nail your test thats my opinion anyway cant wait happy holidays Mark

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      Thanks for your support, Mark! I still have final grinding and then the blue-backing to make this baby flexible! 🤞🏻

  • @kevincattle2324
    @kevincattle2324 2 года назад

    I found drilling through hardened material using a sharpened concrete bit or a delablo drill bit works awesome, just a hint for knife makers out there

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад +1

      Yeah, but just annealing it works well, which was a step I had to do anyway. I’ve heard the concrete bits work. 👍

  • @tarts9767
    @tarts9767 2 года назад

    I have`nt watched the video to the end JET, but did you just described "Master Bladesmith" test in the beginning of a video !? 😊

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад +1

      It’s the Jouneyman test. The performance test for Master is the same except it has to be Damascus blade with 300+ layers.

  • @freesteamer3462
    @freesteamer3462 2 года назад

    I'm not being funny but I think you are at master already

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      Thanks, I appreciate that, but the fit and finish of a master smith is still beyond where I’m at. I’ll get there though!

  • @cae2487
    @cae2487 2 года назад

    I'd love to see a closer look at that scribing tool you used to mark the center of the blade.

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      Sure, I’ll show it in an upcoming video. I forget where I got it but if I find it I’ll add a link.

  • @IamAyK
    @IamAyK 2 года назад

    exactly awesome !!

  • @BamaDanKnives
    @BamaDanKnives 2 года назад

    Awesome thx for sharing! Always wanted to know what it took to pass!

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      Hopefully this knife passes. I’ll know next week! 🤞

  • @davidpugh4527
    @davidpugh4527 2 года назад

    I have no doubt that you will pass your journeyman Smith test

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      Thanks for your support, David!

    • @davidpugh4527
      @davidpugh4527 2 года назад

      @@TyrellKnifeworks you're welcome Denis after all those complicated build you do that simple knife had to be a pleasure to make

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      @@davidpugh4527 It has its own complications! 😜 Though an easy grind and no hand sanding will be nice.

  • @cae2487
    @cae2487 2 года назад

    Awesome possum!! Excited to see your journey to becoming a journeyman and after that to master. I fully believe you have what it takes to carry you to the top. Keep up the great work its always appreciated. 🔨 🔥 💧 🗡

  • @Bar_D_Forge
    @Bar_D_Forge 2 года назад

    Technically, for abs test, blade tip up to one third of blade length is clamped and bent... Nice job again Dennis! I gotta wait two more years... So on your quench you set oven for how much over austenite temp? Been thinking of doing this but my recipe calls for 1450-1475° range, so I set on the high end figuring it may lose ten to twenty degrees and still be good... looking forward to your testing...

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      That’s incorrect. The blade is placed tip first into the vise and the handle is what pressure is applied to. It says right in the test instructions: www.americanbladesmith.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/JS_Test_Final_revised_11-04-2019.pdf. On the quench I find it better to go over a bit. I go around 25F higher and then by the time it hits the oil it’s prefect. My heat treats have been spot on. Thanks for watching.

    • @KyleDeanFarris
      @KyleDeanFarris 2 года назад

      It says in part 4 that the master smith will mark off 3 inches from the tip with a line. The blade will be inserted into the vice at this mark.

  • @nicholaseedy3244
    @nicholaseedy3244 2 года назад

    I don't think anyone has every explained the bend before the bevels before. Thanks

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      I didn’t forge in much of the bevels, I just wanted the blade a wee bit wider. Bending the blade first is a good trick. 👍

  • @brysonalden5414
    @brysonalden5414 2 года назад

    I wish you well on your journey! Looking forward to future episodes, but I always cringe at the 90 degree test.

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      I’m sure I’ll be cringing when I do it! Thanks for following along. 👍

  • @aidenonfire
    @aidenonfire 2 года назад

    Kudos for filming the process warts and all mate. Question tho.. for what reason would you forge bevels, then surface grind, then grind bevels? May as well skip forging and just call it stock removal 😂 good luck!

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад +1

      I had 1.25” stock and I wanted the blade a little wider. That’s why the bevels were forged in a bit, to get the added width, then they were actually ground in. Thanks for watching.

  • @RileyPierce_
    @RileyPierce_ 9 месяцев назад

    Ive got a few questions about the ABS. How do you get into the ABS? Do you always need to wait three years to apply for journyman after applying or however you get in? And is there an age limit to getting in? Your knife looks very good, as always, thank you for the great videos.

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  9 месяцев назад

      If you take a 2-week course at an ABS affiliated school you can drop that requirement to 2 years. There’s no age limit. Thanks for watching, Riley.

    • @RileyPierce_
      @RileyPierce_ 9 месяцев назад

      @@TyrellKnifeworks So is there a process to getting into the ABS, like a test? Or is there a website that you can join the ABS through?

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  9 месяцев назад

      @@RileyPierce_ No test, just go to www.americanbladesmith.org/ and sign up and pay your fee. It's $60 a year.

    • @RileyPierce_
      @RileyPierce_ 9 месяцев назад

      @@TyrellKnifeworks ok, thanks

  • @christopherconkright1317
    @christopherconkright1317 2 года назад

    I also see many smiths harden the blade then grind the bevels so they don't get warps is that a good policy or does it depend on the knife?

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      It depends on the knife and the steel. Some steels are shallow hardening (1095 for instance) so doing all your grinding post-heat treat isn't always a good idea. For a lot of stainless steels (AEBL, CMP154) I do all my grinding post-HT for the warp reason and also because its going to be plate quenched. Good questions, Christopher!

  • @checoleman8877
    @checoleman8877 2 года назад

    Do you plan to blue-back it for the bend test or will that temper hold up?

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад +1

      No, it definitely needs to be blue-backed. That will be next week!

  • @jeffreycarter1223
    @jeffreycarter1223 2 года назад

    where would one go to get those heat treat temperatures and the temper specs.

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      Checkout my triple-T video on heat treating. It’s in my Beginner Series playlist. It has all my recipes. So does the Intro to Knife Steels video. Thanks for watching.

  • @brycemain1088
    @brycemain1088 2 года назад

    Hey boss man do you have any triple t videos on delam burning metal or anything of that nature

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      I’m not quite sure what you mean, Bryce. “Delam burning metal”? I have a video on forge welding if that will help.

    • @brycemain1088
      @brycemain1088 2 года назад

      @@TyrellKnifeworks like what it looks like if you burn the melt, how to fix or not do it hahah. And what delamination is and how to avoid or fix it. And what cold shuts are.

    • @brycemain1088
      @brycemain1088 2 года назад

      @@TyrellKnifeworks I am getting my first forge for Christmas and hope to jump right into it and just want to avoid all the mistakes I can hahaha. I’ve been trying to watch all your videos. I appreciate you taking the time to help people like me. If you ever have a workshop I’d be down to go to it.

  • @michaelelbert5798
    @michaelelbert5798 2 года назад

    Does it have less of a chance for a crack if it is polished?

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      No, polishing doesn’t really affect it. So long as there aren’t any 36 grit grinds in it or any other stress risers.

  • @kariarabellalassauniere402
    @kariarabellalassauniere402 2 года назад

    To me, as not a Smith of any kind, the requirements for the journeyman knife sound very steep, am I correct or is this a pretty easy blade to make?

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад +1

      There are two parts to the Journeyman test, the performance test (this one) and the presentation test. Yes, the blade construction for the performance blade is simple. You are proving you are an expert in heat treating and composition. The presentation test is building 5 knives and having them inspected for fit and finish by a panel of master smiths. The latter is a much harder portion of the test. Thanks for watching, Kari!

    • @kariarabellalassauniere402
      @kariarabellalassauniere402 2 года назад

      @@TyrellKnifeworks I shall keenly watch to see how the test goes! I am sure you will ace it!!

  • @idleartisans778
    @idleartisans778 2 года назад

    Is this a test method for knifesmith certification in the United States? Bending 90 degrees continuously, it sounds very cool. Looking forward to the test video.

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      Yes, it’s the test for the American Bladesmith Society Journeyman level. The master level performance test is the same but it has to be with a 300+ layer Damascus knife.

    • @idleartisans778
      @idleartisans778 2 года назад

      @@TyrellKnifeworks What! Gosh! Does this proficiency test have to be done with 300 layers of Damascus steel? Isn't it a single material steel?

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      @@idleartisans778 the Jouneyman test is mono steel. The Mastersmith test is Damascus.

    • @idleartisans778
      @idleartisans778 2 года назад

      @@TyrellKnifeworks There is no professional knifesmith certification in China. I am a purely personal hobby. All my knowledge comes from youtube. This is the first time I know the certification exam standards for American knifesmiths, which are too strict. According to Chinese terms, you can count as a teacher I haven't met. I have learned a lot from you. Thank you very much for your answers.

  • @christopherconkright1317
    @christopherconkright1317 2 года назад

    Hey how much oil to quench? should i get two gallons or 5 gallons. The one you made how much quench oil would that knife need?

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      I would go at least 2 gallons. The best way is to construct your quench tank at least 4" wide and then just use cubic inches to gallons conversion (google) to figure out how much you need. I think my tank is just shy of 2 gallons. Thanks, Christopher.

    • @christopherconkright1317
      @christopherconkright1317 2 года назад

      @@TyrellKnifeworks I wasn't sure how much movement was needed some quench and move it a lot(never side to side i know) some just go up and down a little. So a thin tank is okay? I plan to use an eclectic induction burner that i can plug in to evenly heat the oil so the convection keeps the layers all the same temp and not have cold oil at the bottom hot oil at the top. if 4 inches is plenty i maybe able to build a metal tank and not by the 4 gallon metal bucket with the lid

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      @@christopherconkright1317 if you’re just doing one blade at a time, the 4” square or round tank is fine. If you are doing repetitive quenches, you might want more volume.

  • @chrisweller81
    @chrisweller81 2 года назад

    good morning

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      Hey Buster! Thanks for checking out the video!

    • @chrisweller81
      @chrisweller81 2 года назад

      @@TyrellKnifeworks how's the shop work going to day I just started work in the shop

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      @@chrisweller81 Too many things on the go. Trying to get footage for the sword for sunday's build, working on a Christmas present and another review video plus finish this JS knife.... too much stuff! 🤯

    • @chrisweller81
      @chrisweller81 2 года назад

      @@TyrellKnifeworks u got this

  • @jeffcopeland3958
    @jeffcopeland3958 2 года назад

    May I ask why you hardened the handle

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад +2

      I always harden it, its just easier. Plus the science is stating that an "edge quench" is bad and the junction between the two areas is brittle, so its better to harden it and then draw it back. The entire spine of this blade will be blue-backed in the next episode.

    • @jeffcopeland3958
      @jeffcopeland3958 2 года назад

      @@TyrellKnifeworks ok I was wondering and now understand that! Thanks for all your experience!

  • @stevefriswell5422
    @stevefriswell5422 2 года назад

    If you are a journeyman then what does that make most people? Good luck on the way forward.

  • @stevegrillot
    @stevegrillot 2 года назад

    How do you like the incinerator belts

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      Best belts I’ve ever used. They last forever. Though they seem expensive when you buy them, they last at least 3x longer than other 36 grit belts.

    • @stevegrillot
      @stevegrillot 2 года назад

      @@TyrellKnifeworks I've run red lable ever since I started a few years ago, may have to add a few to my arsenal,

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      @@stevegrillot honestly, I tried red label when I started… not a fan. I was using Norton Blaze exclusively until I found these from Brodbeck. 1 incinerator is like 2 or more blaze belts.

  • @firework5493
    @firework5493 2 года назад

    where did you buy the hardness tester

    • @firework5493
      @firework5493 2 года назад

      Nice knife I also want to say

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      I got it from Grizzly. I think it was $1650 shipped to my door. Thanks for watching.

    • @firework5493
      @firework5493 2 года назад

      thanks

  • @Kratos_God_of_50_BMG
    @Kratos_God_of_50_BMG 2 года назад

    Wow, just ANOTHER testing for you to spank your opponents with! What happened to your irrigation system by the way?!

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      You mean the misting system? The problem is that if I’m filming it gets in the way. I use it for final grinding when I’m not filming. 👍

  • @christopherconkright1317
    @christopherconkright1317 2 года назад

    don't they make you take their class to be an apprentice? That is what i read on their site and at 1500$ is out of my price

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      If you take the class then you can do your JS after 2 years instead of 3. The class is not mandatory if you want to wait the extra year. There's nothing you need to do for apprentice though, just pay them money. 😜

  • @chrisash7948
    @chrisash7948 2 года назад

    Y'all crazy for wearing sandals in the forge.

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      Yeah, you get some hot scale in the toes once in a while.

  • @jblueforge3131
    @jblueforge3131 2 года назад

    You didnt forge the bevels ... You hammered on the bevel side but then you ground it back into a flat bar. Thats not how it works.

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      There is no requirement to forge the bevels. It’s actually recommended you don’t fully forge the bevels for the test. I forged them in slightly to get some width is all.

    • @jblueforge3131
      @jblueforge3131 2 года назад

      That's all well and good but you were acting like you forged the bevels LOL

    • @TyrellKnifeworks
      @TyrellKnifeworks  2 года назад

      @@jblueforge3131 look back, I said I’ll forge the bevels “a bit”.