Oddly, this movie seems to ironically showcase how Disney has changed over 100 years from a cutting-edge studio into a corporate sweat-shop, milking its legacy and image for $$.
Disney has always been a bit of a corporate sweat shop, Disney himself was infamous for his poor treatment of workers and underming the talent and hard work of the animators working under him. Disney got lucky that strict censorship laws killed every animation studio that could possibly compete with him and Disney was the only potential employer for many talented artists during that time. I feel like the higher ups at Disney think they still live in a world where Disney is the only studio with enough money and employees to create a feature length animated movie. Early animated Disney movies like Snowhite and Sleeping Beauty were impressive on the animation side but not so much on the story telling side. The scripts were basically standard stage adaptations of old and well-known fairy tales. It worked back than because animation was a novelty.
True. A superior way to revere past Disney works (or whatever) would have been to use old tropes and story templates, or prior knowledge of fairy tale/young male explorer stories to make a new interesting spin on the story similar to Enchanted. Not to say I am a fantastic writer, it's just an idea. If they like the Tangled animation and adorkable Anna characters, that's fine. Kids aren't getting tired of it yet. We need more films like Hercules or Treasure Planet, on god.
The fact that the little star guy was originally gonna be a whole dude who came from the stars themselves, AND he was gonna be the love interest? This story could've had so much. I love the idea of Asha being the daughter of the villain COUPLE, who goes against them to try and help her star magic soul mate. Wwaayyy more drama from that
Now that sounds like a fun movie. This and Elemental just gave off "generic product" vibes so hard in their trailers that I wasn't even interested in going to the theater and I'm the type of person who will go by myself to see an animated film if i have to. I'm excited to see animation from alternative sources popping up but it does hurt to have grown up in the Disney renaissance only to watch them lose their way.
@Dumbledoresarmy13 I'm more so disappointed that they've gotten lazy. Wish was supposed to be in 2D but Disney chose otherwise cause 2D animation is "too hard" That's so insulting to me. Disney was the pioneer in 2D animation. 2D animation was the reason Disney even made billions of dollars. It's what started them. So for them to complain about how it's "too hard" is just such a slap in the face. Especially for the fans who loved the Renaissance era
@@DoodleFoxxyit's not 'too hard' 2D animation is unionized. 3D is (or was? I know over the summer there was some voting going on) not. So 2D animators actually have to get paid more than the bare minimum, so companies use 3d animation to avoid paying their workers as much as possible. Notice how often a small project is still 2D - if it was Too Hard they'd all be doing it in 3d
@@TigirlakaLaserwolf6 that's why I don't believe Disney when they complain about 2D. It requires a lot more skill and patience, so much skill that they know they'd have to pay a lot more. Disney has proven that they don't care about the craft, they just want their next big hit. It's all about quantity to them, not quality
Look, unapologetically evil villains are my absolute favorite. But this story? About a person that can literally grant wishes to make people happy? This villain would have KILLED as the jaded hero that becomes a villain. A backstory of his inability to keep everyone happy and his discovery that magic will never be enough, no matter how good his magic is? That would have offered something new and compelling.
Honestly that would have been so good, I rarely see Heroes turned Villains as a use for plot especially in Disney (I think, I am not really sure if there are actually some out there) and I think this concept would have been actually amazing, alongside with other things Saber mentioned it could have absolutely worked! And shows that the characters have something to show and tell to the audience
Real hurts that apparently a bumch of random internet users in a YT comment section can come up with better movie ideas than the biggest media company on earth.
That would be great commentary on current human entitlement issues, and the burnout felt by those still dedicated to doing the right things but, losing faith in humanity through constant showcases of greed. Learning when to Sacrifice, and renewing one’s faith in humanity would have been an important message in today’s society. But, Disney never takes risks anymore. So, that’s too touchy of a message for their worse than fanfic writers can handle.
And perhaps even that spellbook he got corrupted by be some sort of "devil on his shoulder", promising to grant him his wish if he does what he's told. Maybe something related to the "I give and give and give" line in his "villain" song that it eventually breaks him, as there is but only so much a person can give before it eventually makes them cave in
The Princess and the frog tackled the ‘Wishing Star’ concept far better. Believe in the magic of the world and You wish with all your heart on that star, but you’ve got to put in the work to help make that wish come true. Actually, now that I think about it, The Princess and the frog would have been a much better fit to celebrate 100years of Disney.
I've been saying this since the movie came out. Not only did PatF had an engaging protagonist, cohesive story, a menacing villain, but it did all that while staying true to the studio's legacy making references when needed but being its own unique story, and also having the courage to be a 2D movie
Not to mention having a great message - especially needed these days - that while it is good to have ambitions and the willingness to work, life isn't just about financial success or accomplishments. Princess and the Frog really is an underrated movie.
I think Disney clearly didn’t understand what people meant by wanting a cruel villain that won’t be redeemed. You can still make a compelling villain even if they’re cruel and unredeemable. You don’t have to rip every shot of a motive and backstory from them to do that. What sucks is they’ve literally done it before!! Scar and Jafar for example. Both cruel and unjust villains. But villains with MOTIVES!
Technically Jack Horner from Puss in Boots 2 hadn't a motive and a mostly successful backstory for a villain. Difference is, Jack was still compelling even if he was just cartoonishly evil.
Honestly, I think one of the real problems with Wish is that it doesn’t really do anything outside Disney’s comfort zone. You’ve got the the generic story, boring and formulaic villain, and the uninteresting main protagonist. Combined with the fact that it’s supposed to be the movie to celebrate Disney’s 100th birthday is so.. Sad.
I'd love to see Disney making something more similar to The Black Cauldron, Atlantis or Treasure Planet in CG. Don't of if they're capable of making something similar to Spider-Verse or Mutant Mayhem. Even Pixar tried something different with Lightyear, despite its flaws
Asha’s personality doesn’t match her design. She looks young but her long dress and hair makes her look kinda regal and seem like a more mature character. Like, I could definitely visualise her being friendly but on the calmer side, the kind of girl that does her homework on time and doesn’t want to ruffle any feathers. Was pretty disappointed when Disney forced the shallow adorkable personality on her.
I know!! She looks like she’d be perfect for a shy protagonist that needs to come out of her shell (a dynamic that Disney hasn’t done for female protagonists in years and would really be good for girls that *aren’t* “adorkable”)... It’s like the one who designed her had a vision for her, but she got lobotomized by the Disney girl formula. From her design, she seems like she would get easily overwhelmed by crowds and instead prefers to be on her own since it’s within her comfort zone. She doesn’t want to draw too much attention to herself and would probably want to give the spotlight to someone who she feels would deserve it, even when it’s her that does and thinks more than does. Someone who, as the story progresses, gets a stronger spine and learns to be more comfortable about “doing”. That kind of princess would represent a good amount of girls out there that deal with feeling overwhelmed by crowds and are too scared to break out of their shells! Always having a princess that represents one type of girl leaves out the ones that are the opposite...
I knew next to nothing about this movie other than a poster I saw on a wall, and I had assumed the same. Thought it was a nice change of pace, since as much as I love Mirabel from Encanto, the "adorkable quirky girl" puts me off (I was sick of it even when Moana came out). When I saw what her personality actually was, I was super disappointed and its genuinely the thing that put me off the film. It feels like it was Frankensteined onto her for no other reason but to be quirky. At least Mirabel made sense, she adapted to be more quirky to compensate for her lack of a talent. Like the other commenter said, I think Disney should make a protagonist that quiet, regal, serious type girls can relate to. The annoying dorks really just push away a large portion of the audience (or worse, makes kids think that they should change their personality to be more quirky in order to be liked, when really they should embrace who they are).
@@MetaGiga I can definitely see that! Her having this type of personality would also make her standing up against the King (who’s she also the apprentice of) a lot more compelling as it shows her growth, courage and gives her a proper character arc. It could have been really interesting for both the movie and as an addition to the Disney Princess lineup.
@@clydesdale1775 I agree. It’s also a real missed opportunity to make a modern princess who also could have been a call back to the older more poised Disney heroines, especially considering it was their 100th anniversary film. Speaking of annoying dorks, honestly I’m also just waiting for Disney to make a genuinely awkward Princess rather than the forced quirky haha so awks adorkable type. Give me a Princess who’s GENUINELY awkward or shy rather than a conventionally “relatable” manic pixie girl!There’s so many types of personalities they’ve yet to explore and hopefully the reception to this film will serve as a wake up call to allow for more creativity.
It’s so disappointing that they didn’t go with the original ideas they scrapped, I mean.. who wouldn’t want a villain power couple and a love story between a magical star prince and Asha???
@@jiderdanso2727 In the concept art book of Wish. Originally the star was going to be Asha's love interest and had a more human-like design. And the Queen was also going to be in on the villainous plot with the King.
I think the reason Magnifico and the Queen aren’t Asha’s parents is because Disney has a thing with making biological parents straight up villains. This is why when a villain is close to the hero in a familial way, it’s usually a stepparent, adoptive parent, or an evil aunt or uncle. Notably, when an antagonist IS related to the hero, they are notably less straight up evil and more humanized, or end up redeemed in the end (Encanto is a big example). Part of this is a marketing tactic: parents may complain about a movie where a child rebels a parent, or where a parent must be put in jail for committing certain crimes. Basically, anything that pits parent and child against each other in a way that can’t be solved with reconciliation is stigmatized. This is primarily because I think a lot of Disney parents would find issue with a child “rebelling” against a parent in a permanent sense.
I can’t blame them for that, Because people literally complained that turning red was trying to “influence children to rebel against their parents will” And yes, I know turning red is technically a pixar movie, but Disney owns Pixar so I feel like it balances out
@@-AirKat- that's not the point I was making. It's just- it would have been banned and couldn't have been marketed in China, as it wouldn't have passed their censors. Like, Zootopia was put on blast as 'Immoral American Propaganda' by the PLA because of their choice of making the Sheep, a Prey Animal, A villain. China is a huge Market for Films, basically, they would have lost out on a potential billion.
The thing is, the motivation for the king isn't even unreasonable. It's literally impossible to have everyone's wish granted. Imagine a child wishes they could go off and do their own thing but the parents wish that the kid would stay home and take up the family trade. What would happen?
That's basically proof of how horrible written this movie is. All Magnifico had to do when confronted by Ms Entitled was tell her "Okay, this dude wishes for their neighbor to die. This one for all the people he doesn't like to suffer. You want everyone to get their wish? Cool, here's a taste of how that would be" Done. Her literal WHOLE ARGUMENT completely destroyed in 5 seconds. But no, the movie bends Magnifico and everything in the movie, to make her look like she's right. Like, fk off.
What's utterly devastating is that the initial idea for Wish sounds perfect for a 100th anniversary film. Imagine how great it would be to have Star as a shapeshifter with a personality like a fusion between Peter Pan and the Genie, as Asha's love interest, and the king and queen as an evil couple. And all that in 2D! That could have been amazing, it was right there... and Disney didn't do it. Heck, I'm so disappointed they didn't I'm going to write my own musical movie using that premise because it needs to exist in some form.
I was hoping for something similar to that very idea! I don’t have much hope for Disney these days but I wanted something special for the 100th anniversary, it’s too important to let down!
I am eagerly anticipating seeing people's own versions of Wish on RUclips soon 😭 cuz the audience Disney is trying to pander to is making better stories than they do in COMMENT SECTIONS
@@aquatiger8 I was honestly just thinking about that earlier after watching a different review! I wrote my own in the comments then read so many other cool ideas that it makes me want to write my own rewrite of the plot. And I bet there would be lots of other fanfics fleshing out this world because it sorely needs it.
Disney already had a movie where the message is to make you’re own dreams come true that starts with a black woman wishing on a star, and it actually stuck to that make it come true yourself theme without forgoing magic and love and all that stuff Disneys brand relys on.
And yet, it was never seen as a financial success since the grown-ups saw "Avatar" and the kids saw "Alvin & The Chipmunks: The Squeakquel" instead. Just wait a few decades, and you will see people praise "Wish" for how it's so much better than whatever movie is the butt-monkey by then.
Definitely do that “what’s ruining Disney” video. What made Disney so magical are all the artists and talented storytellers that worked behind it, not the stupid executives and higher ups that thinks they know better
@@otakumarcus No, they are not. Disney has many more sources of income. I think that Disney are just using their movies and TV shows as a laboratory, and you as the test subject.
Saying they have many sources of income is...kind of avoiding the issue. It needs to be understood that Disney has grown to be a behemoth yes, but its need for income has also grown, the danger it faces with diminishing returns is it WILL reach a point where it can't support itself anymore...and either the quality will go down even further, or pieces will have to be carved off the whole. Neither is a good look for what used to be a nearly bullet proof company.
Just like EA, Disney also has that skill to disappoint you again and again, just in time you thought, it couldn't ever get any worse, but you can always expect them to find a new low xD.
@@jamessparkman6604 I'd absolutely love to see it done by disney... Old Disney that is. When they were still making these wonderful animations, as 9-10 year old, I was waiting for the Swan Princess or The Pea Princess for instance, as the Grimm Brothers' tales was what I grew up with, and seeing those tales on a big screen was a wonderful feeling. Old Disney, that created all of these animated movies - I'd love to see some more, but this Disney doesn't exist anymore. Disney is now a shitty, political and greedy company. They'd rather continue milking existing franchises, changing them into live actions or making sequel after sequel for their newest animation movies. I'm not here for this. While I miss the old times, I had already moved on from Disney. I will still watch the animations, and I hope they won't take these classics away :(.
I don't remember where I heard it from, but someone described Wish as the first Disney "children's movie" rather than a family movie, and I think that speaks volumes.
@darianstarfrog there's a difference between a childrens movie and a family movie. A lot of Illumination movies and popcorn movies like Sharkboy and Lavagirl do not have a mature theme only jokes and shenanigans. While family movies can be enjoyed by adults its why Encanto, Zootopia, Lilo and Stitch, and other classics are Family movies because they actually have messages
Fun fact: Contrary to popular belief, the movie Wish is not directly named after the concept of longing for something, but after the e-commerce company, as a form of tribute to the quality of their products.
Unfortuanetly the human is a creature driven by money. After all they had to feed their family and the wine cant be reinvented otherwise there would'nt be sequels of an already ended succesful franchises.
Honestly if Disney just left it up to writers, concept artists, and animators rather than higher-ups or corporate, they could have a movie that was as successful in financial gain as the FNAF movie. Or at least have done Nimona. They’ve shown a gay relationship in a sitcom, so I feel like that was just their fear of being put into controversy and corporate interference that made this a failing year.
Everything _Wish_ tried to do, _Puss in Boots: The Last Wish_ did better: an old-fashioned evil villain, a funny animal sidekick, wishes coming true without need for magic, even a little romance (imagine _that_ in a Disney movie these days!). In fact, _Wish_ bears such striking similarity to _Puss in Boots 2_ (a magic star falls to earth and can grant wishes, told with a heavy Spanish flavor) that I can’t help but wonder if this is another instance of Disney and Dreamworks “taking inspiration” from each other. If so, it’s all too clear which studio executed the idea better. Anyone who wants to see _Wish_ should seriously just watch _Puss in Boots 2_ instead; and if you’ve already seen it, just watch it again. It’s the movie _Wish_ wishes (haha) it was.
Not to mention a look that blends 3D- with 2D-aesthetics. I mean - that's a trend going on for a while now. It's just unfortunate that Disney tried it for this of all films.
@@fermintenava5911The trend started from Spiderverse. Because of that movie, now everyone wants to do this 2D-3D mix. Idk if y’all notice but every time a fight scene happens in Puss in Boots, the animation changes and looks more strikingly similar to Spiderverse style. Which is a good thing. I think that animation style brings out more of what people are trying to show nowadays instead of just straight Pixar CGI.
Puss In Boots 2 also had a funny villain(Jack Horner), a villain you sympathized with(Goldy), AND a villain to be terrified of(Death)... In "Wish", you felt NOTHING from the villain. And that to me is pretty bad.
I absolutely *HATE* the idea of more studios adopting that choppy on-twos style. Maybe I’ve got some sort of undiagnosed photosensitivity or something, but I had to walk out of _Puss in Boots: the Last Wish_ because the fight sequences made me nauseous. Spiderverse is also unbearable to watch for that same reason.
I love how disney became bland and disconnected from what the audience wants, cause it makes room for indie studios and real people (not giant souless corporations) to make movies and animations that people actually want.
Indeed an indie movie, bringing the nostalgia feelings, 2D and 3D blend perfectly to bring out how Disney changed over 100 years. Bring back the animals talking, wishing on the star, villians 😂. Those memories are never forgotten ❤. I scrolled all the comments and most of them just expressed the disappointments. I can tell they just want to bring back those memories for us, those characters 🎉🎉 . This movie is not having a very big climax, but it is a very special movie to me.
Saber, did you notice the end credits had a character from each Disney animated film? Except it DIDN’T because not only did they skip over most of the films if the 1940s, but they also skipped Black Cauldron and both Rescuers movies (and all sequels besides Fantasia 2000. So they actively excluded history in their retrospective.
Then again, they've always pretended Black Cauldron didn't exist. Disney would rather induct Blue Sky's movies into the Disney canon before they acknowledge Black Cauldron.
I recently learned that Disney did the two old Fantasia films to prove that animation was an artistic medium and not just for kids, by experimenting with different styles and stories. It's literally better than what they've come up recently and I believe they should try that sort of stuff again.
I think it would have been better if Magnifico had the power to grant wishes but as a tradeoff, could never grant wishes for himself. Over time he grew envious of all the people whose wishes he granted, giving them good health and love and prosperity and stuff like that, meanwhile he's just the guy who grants wishes, and without that he feels he has nothing. So he cooks up some scheme to manipulate people's wishes for his own gain or something like that.
In one youtube comment you've literally come up with a more compelling plot while it probably took them months to hammer theirs out. You know marketing is in the corner just shooting interesting shit down left and right.
That is a super compelling idea, I like it. Instead of Asha basically feeling like she’s the villain half the time and Magnifico just flipping on a dime for no reason.
@@riotkittyYou can even have one of the main plot points being Asha helping people realize their dreams on their own which makes people realize they don't need King Magnifico to fulfill their wishes which sets off his downward spiral as less people come to him.
It's a shame a celebration of 100 years turned out to be so generic and forgetable, even with all it had going for it. Cool hybrid animation, bringing back true villains, Ariana DeBose, and they still screwed up. Those songs actually felt AI generated. They need to start taking risks and changing up their formula, or they'll be left in the dust. I know some of us want that, but while I dislike the corporation, I still want the studio to do great things again.
It's sad because the only characters I liked from this movie are the main protagonist and that star. I don't know what to say but... this movie is the first animation disaster I've ever seen since... well... Velma Not cringe as that abomination, but it's still... another animation disappointment to end a year. I'm glad It's Time For The and Amazing Digital Circus came out to help save animation (even indie) a bit. Edit: It's weird that I didn't see this movie yet, but I'm already not feeling like watching it now.
Either: 1: Magnifico has a point and the plot is about how you need to work to make your wishes come true and the wishing star is dangeorus or 2: Evil couple who use wishes for something (to fuel magic maybe), Asha as the daughter and Star as a guy who is her love interest. Plot twist: it turns out Asha exists because the couple wished for a child. Or maybe even they need wish magic to sustain her existence!
I honestly feel like Dreamworks made a more Disney ish movie with Puss in Boots: the last wish, than actual Disney did with Wish. 1. The characters are from fairytales 2. While the story is not a direct adaptation of the Puss in Boots story, the plot still has the feel of a fairytale 3. Pure evil, irredeemable, over the top, villain that is still so much fun to watch 4. Art style that could fit into a story book 5. All the feels while watching 6. Heck they even have wishing upon a star!!!🌟
Bingo. Not to mention they also have a redeemed villain (in the form of Goldilocks and the Three Bears) and an unstoppable force (in the form of Death). Puss In Boots The Last Wish literally would have won best animated picture if the Del Toro Pinocchio movie wasn't released or didn't count as animation. (I mean, it technically does even though it's stop-motion, although it's very good as well.)
@@ezelfrancisco1349 At least they still have some interesting films. 2022 was really good for them, even if 2023 wasn't as good, although it's very different than in 2022; nearly every theater in my county has closed...
I think Dreamworks is way better because they're not scared to tackle certain topics like death and abandonment in a way where Disney seems to skirt around those topics. I mean How to train your dragon did things I could never see Disney doing.
The concept of the movie had an evil royal couple and a romance between Asha and the Star who had a male form. An awesome concept I can think of is the King and Queen were both evil and Asha is their daughter so she grew up thinking that stealing wishes is the right thing. Then the Star boy comes and has to help teach her the right way
Whaaaaaaat??? We should have gotten that story!!! That’s actually a really good concept! Disney’s just afraid of taking risks nowadays and just tend to stick to repetitive tropes for the sake of corporate greed. 😕
Could also have had the opportunity to make the Star non-binary since it was a magical being.... Just sayin'.... But no absolutely NOT any sort of romance is strictly FORBIDDEN BY DISNEY romance??? NAH. It's so disheartening to see, really, when *Disney* was the studio who produced Princess and the Frog, Lady and the Tramp, Aristocats, Hell, *HERCULES* and those films have, in my personal opinion, some of the sweetest love stories. Also also, Asha being the daughter to villains and overcoming perhaps what she might have been taught in an effort to become a better person could have been supremely interesting as well. So, SO many missed opportunities.
@@DraidensDenI'm non-binary, so I would've loved to contribute to that character's experience/attitude/thought process. I'd love it if Asha asked if they were a boy or a girl or which pronouns to use to refer to them, and they're like "...what's that?" because how would they know what gender is or what it means to be a boy or a girl? And after Asha tries to explain, in the end they just shrug and say "...I'm a star." (And it has the added bonus that if parents were to get upset, people could just say "oh so you're saying that *stars* are boys or girls????")
16:50 I've been having this "We were robbed! There was so much potential!" feeling since I saw the Frozen 1 concept art. Seems like Disney is just so afraid of taking a minimal risk that they do their movies boring and predictable.
Ever since the succes of Tangled, Disney seems to be oppsessed with forcing every animated movie they make into the "princess" mold, even though they had much more diverse line up of movies during the nineties to 2000s. Movies like Lion King, Lilo and Stitch, Tarzan or the Goofy movie varied much more in tone, story and setting than the movies we got in the last 10 years. If an idea or a movie doesn't fit the princess mold it gets dropped by Disney.
@@KingOfGaymesthat would’ve been so much better than the whole “the most powerful kind of love is sisterly love/familial love….” bull its almost as if people don’t naturally have familial love built into them… disney srsly disappoints me sometimes 😭😭
@@b1njjj95respectfully disagree for the sole reason that I think encanto hit really hard. other than that you're right. I'm fairly young and grew up with some of the newer releases, and I remember walking away from or even cringing at some movies, e.g. Raya or Ralph Breaks -my brain- the Internet. if your target audience can see how bad your product is, then stop making crap like this. it really sucks that a studio that used to be so amazing makes me want to vomit now
@@ZippyMcBeans Just because Encanto is an amazing movie, doesn't mean Disney's magic didn't die. It seems like Disney is still somewhat capable of making really good 3D movies, but they are still too focused on cheap live action remakes of their old classics and they simply forgot that they are known for their stunning animation. When Disney stops playing games and starts focusing on making original 3D animated movies that have heart and soul like Trolls Band Together, then I will change my opinion entirely.
@@b1njjj95 valid, Disney's definitely lost its magic. I despise (almost) everything the studio's doing now. and- I'm trying to sound nice and non-sarcastic when I say this- is trolls band together that good? I've mostly written off the franchise and didn't have super high hopes for TBT, but if it's actually got heart and soul, I'll give it a try :)
@@ZippyMcBeans I really enjoyed it! I saw it on opening night and I was blown away. It takes a lot for a movie to blow me away, but I immediately had to tell my friend after the movie ended how much I enjoyed it. I think it outshines its predecessor Trolls World Tour, because Trolls Band Together focuses on the importance of family and friendship, and it added new layers to Branch's character. The humour has definitely caught up with the audience as well, considering a lot of kids grew up with the Trolls franchise and they are now teens and adults. There were a lot of innuendos and funny adult jokes that had me laughing so hard in the theatre. The writers definitely cracked the code with this one and I personally think it's worth watching. And don't even get me started on the strong voice cast and the catchy songs. 😁
I just feel that Disney is always like: "No no no we don't make damsels in distress and lovestruck girls anymore. We make adorkable and inspiring CEO like female protagonist." Like switching one stereotype for another solves the problem. I don't mind a good love story or a damsel in distress as long as it's well written and it doesn't feel forced, the same way that an adorkable character can work if she isn't tripping all the time yet stumbling into the solutions of their problems.
i feel like we’ve had too many of the “clumsy, adorkable” characters lately. with the old disney princesses I could easily tell them all apart because their personalities were so different and unique from eachother
@@rozmyosotis Not only that, but the art styles, too. Since the rise of 3D in Disney movies all characters look more or less the same. Plus acting more or less the same. Plus having more or less the same story. Plus even having more or less the same songs ...
I agree. I think that Jane from Tarzan is fine example how to write ”adorkable” damsel in distress character right. Jane is not a warrior and can’t even look after herself in a wild. I don’t see her even overly intelligent character. But she is still funny, interesting, charming , emotional and relatable. She is passionate and optimistic artist and I love her for it. That’s what I miss the most. Honest and real characters that don’t have to ”prove” anything. 💔
I think the Mario Movie handled the damsel in distress trope pretty well. I liked how they made Peach into a self sufficient ruler and put Luigi into the "damsel in distress" role.
@@variant7816 you don't think Peach's badassary was a little pandering? I mean, she's a character that was essentially defined by getting rescued by Mario in like 99% of Mario games for over 30 years. she was based on Olive Oil from Popeye.
The Frozen 2 documentary, Into The Unknown on D+, was probably far more revealing of the cracks that were present in WDAS than they likely believed back when it was filmed. It genuinely feels like Chris Buck and the others were so directionless and aimless with this project, coming up with so many ideas that were swiftly rejected by executives, being unable to come up with a strong story and narrative, got far too ambitious with an art style that was well-intentioned *and* being hampered by an unmovable deadline just in time for Disney's 100th anniversary. I wouldn't be surprised if Wish was them throwing together something workable from the mess of loose concepts and scenes that they had come up with but were unable to combine properly just to get *something* out before Disney's release date. It's likely that so much work was thrown out multiple times in trying to find something that gelled. I wonder if test audiences were just as icy?
I was thinking about this exactly. It seems like a frozen 2 disaster all over again, almost eerie in its similarities. The release date being unable to be moved makes this similar too. Jennifer Lee just isn't cut out to lead Disney animation. They also need to stop forcing release dates upon their creatives.
I don't know. Frozen 2 had a lot of interesting and outright dark ideas. It was a disorganized mess, but not empty. Wish feels completely hollow. Executives stuck their finger in and scooped out whatever substance the creatives put in there.
You know, Disney could have done the "too nice" trope, where the king is so kind that it is harming the city of Rosas. He fulfills EVERY wish and feels underappreciated. Asha could have been the voice of pragmatism while all the city is in chaos due to their wishes being fulfilled one after the other. This song matchs the vibe. Also, the line 'be careful what you wish for', on the movie's poster would be matching the theme, this way.
This film felt like what Disney believed the fans wanted by crossing off a bunch of boxes on a checklist without putting much effort into any of the tasks on the list.
[×] POC Main Character [×] Strong Willed Independent Female Protagonist Main Character [×] Male/white main generic villain [×] Kingdom filled with different races that come across as flat and out of place for their medieval style fantasy setting. [×]7 Dwarves filling every race box including the 'lazy white guy trope' being the one to betray them all [ ] Coherant storyline that properly entertains the target demographic
I think making Asha king's daughter would make their dynamic so much more interesting. A daughter, princess that is supposed to follow her father legacy and powers, idolizing him all of her life, only to find he's not as selfless as she saw him, them having a conflict about what is right and wrong...
My mom saw the TV spots for Wish while the channel was playing Raya. Her impression was that they took characters from their other movies and just changed their names and gave them different color palettes. Nothing felt unique. And she's a die-hard loyalist who enjoys the live-action remakes.
Look at concept art. They had more planed, something better planed... How the entire story seems to be written by different people by the second half of the movie. They had even planned to have the queen evil! Yet nope. Executives and higher ups waltzed in, made their demands, and got their yes people to agree as the movie budget rose with nothing good seen from it. Then again... Rewrites, reshoot, and redrawing (they wanted 2d, then changed their mind to copying Spiderverse artwork without understanding it.) And the large budget is made due to the constant changes.
Simple plot changes that could have saved this story: 1. Have Asha already be Magnifico's apprentice and learning magic 2. Give Magnifico limited power to grant wishes which would fuel his self serving choices 3. Magnifico also got his powers from a star long ago and went down the path of containing it as a resource Even if you left everything the same these simple changes could have at least made the plot and themes make some kind of cohesive sense.
Honestly, I don’t think any of that is the most important The most important thing that this movie fails to do is get us to CARE ABOUT ROSAS. We need to care about Asha’s family, her friends, because that is her whole motivation. I could ignore a lot of bullshit if I’m at least INVESTED in the story. If I at least CARE what happens next.
I think it would be nice to give Magnifico and Amaya a son who is training to become king and thus the kingdom's wish granter. He could be Asha's love interest.
@@otakumarcusthat’s probably unlikely, they still have theme parks, merchandise, old Disney movies and Disney+ as well as upcoming movies like don’t think they will be out anytime soon
The original concept had Star as a mischievous shapeshifter who took human form and might have had a relationship with Asha. Which is… honestly kind of interesting.
The king could have come from a very poor house, he grew up having to work super hard to stay honest and feed his family. One day he gains his power and upon seeing the village in similar circumstances as his, so he begins to grant everyones wishes. What was happy slowly decends chaos and causes the destruction of the village. King decides though life will be harder, he would limit the amount and the scope of the wishes granted.After meeting to hero of the story he realises he never granted his own wishes, something he can only do by using the evil green magic. He know hpw it could corrupt him but he beileves he can resist it. He succumbs and starts making more and more wishes for him self leading to the city and castle falling to ruin echoing his own early years. Did i just do a back story? DISNEY, HIRE ME!
Considering they got pop song writers to do it instead of musical theatre writers, not too surprising. Dunno why Disney seems to hate musical theatre these days
I knew this soundtrack was in trouble the second I found out that one of the songwriters wrote Justin Beiber's "Sorry" song. Calling that a red flag would be an understatement.
Varian and Cass pulling up to sing the best songs ever made by Disney(Nothing left to lose,ready as ill ever be,crossing the line,waiting in the wings, and let me make you proud)
It's about time we get a brand-new studio founded by ex-disney employees. Seriously, things like this worked wonders in the past and I think it's prime time for it to happen now. They need a hard reboot so bad
The others mentioned Don Bluth and Dreamworks and I agree. Isn't it funny how Disney pretty much created their own competition via disgruntled workers?
@@rachelfay9582 it can get expensive, artists aren't already paid well, throw in the fact many people rather go for AI than hire an artist for instant content (an impossibility back in the 80s and 90s), and many people are currently on strike so they lost their jobs. throw in RUclips is the biggest, most popular and therefore most viable video hosting website but the algorithm absolutely HATES animators and artists, throw in the video automatically being labelled for kids if it has any shred of vibrant color and the problems that arise when it's not actually for kids... these past few years has been rough for artists I think... though yes it'd be nice to see some of these people "go indie." would love to see a big indie scene like the way videgames get.
What’s funny is that every time a major former employee leaves to do their own thing, within a few years Disney suddenly gets massively better. Not long after Don Bluth left, we got Little Mermaid to kickstart their renaissance period. And Dreamworks coming in gave us gems like Emperor’s New Groove and Lilo and Stitch for at least a few years that are a return to form. But now they just seem like they’ve been resting on their laurels for over a decade since Frozen
Thing is, I thought they CHANGED that perception with Elementals. Because that was a beautiful love story IMO. The only other love story that touched me like that (non-princess related) was Wall-E.
@@angelbaby3342 Ha, Wall-E was thrown under the bus as a "stalker" movie; Eva rejected him repeatedly, and when she went inactive he forcibly dragged her around acting like he was being sweet.
Concept art ALWAYS looks better than the finished product. It's easy to make something that looks like a painting when you don't have to make 130,000 of them. (That said, I wouldn't mind if Bob Iger had looked at _Klaus_ and said "OK, I guess we need to make all our movies look like that now.")
Okay so, here's how I'd rewrite it Asha is the princess of the kingdom, and both the parents are evil. She's much calmer and shier, preferring to stay quiet, and she's always had everything she could possibly want, but she still doesn't feel complete. She finds out the nearby town is struggling, as they used to make wishes on the stars and have lavish feasts thrown by the previous king, and she realizes her parents haven't been granting wishes like they promised. They stole all the wishing stars from the night sky, but only one remains, which she saves from captivity. The plot is her learning to be more outspoken, learning what her true wish is (to make her people happy), and facing her parents alone. She would win, become the new ruler of the kingdom, and help show everyone how to be more self-reliant and how to make their wishes come true themselves. A time skip would happen at the end. The wishing star has returned to the sky, and though people make their wishes, they don't rely on it anymore, and instead rely on themselves to survive. I'm kinda just spitballing but still, ideas.
The concept art posted on Twitter was a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE missed opportunity😫 The human Star (looks similar to Asha's grandfather) and Asha could've been friends, working together to stop the evil King and Queen's threat or something. Asha's grandfather could've been reincarnated to a human Star, the story might be 10x better. There's noting wrong with references and/or in-jokes. Genie did comedic references throughout Aladdin, but it was well-written since he predicts the future.
It just hurts seeing the media you’ve loved in the past getting shafted as you get older. I know that there’s tons of passionate people with lots of skill and talent that can make great movies and video games, but the soulless mass of the corporation just wants to get the product out while ignoring what made them popular in the first place.
Hey well its what happens when you allow people who doesn't know your business to run it, As many have no investment in actually learning to appreciate it.
Technically, Pocahontas is a "princess" if you apply that term broadly to mean "daughter (or daughter-in-law) of a hereditary ruler" regardless of the titles used by the particular culture. This was joked about in Moana. Regardless, Moana and Pocahontas are either princesses or the functional equivalent of princesses depending on how culture-specific you make the term.
With seeing what the concept art for star looked like, I was so SO SORELY disappointed in what star turned out to be. Upon my first reaction to seeing the star, I was like, "Yep, that's going to be the marketable part of the movie."
Something that Disney could have done was make Asha have a VILLAIN ARC then have a REDEMPTION ARC, near the end of the movie of her realization that she thought all the GOOD DOING was hurting everyone. King Magnífico would try to help her OR make realize that she can’t wish all harm to go away as harm will come full circle, like Yin and Yang “In all there is good there is evil, in all there is evil there is good.” DISNEY COULD HAVE DONE THIS!!!!!
they're way too afraid to go out of their comfort zone to do anything like that, but at the same time they don't realize NOT going out of their comfort zone is what's shooting them in the foot
Yes! I've also heard that some people think that asha is magnifico's daughter, I feel like if they had made that true, it would have made a lot more sense considering the story, especially with this idea of making asha evil too! I heard they were originally gonna make the Queen evil and not just the king, but the king still would have been more evil. In my opinion, that would have made the movie a lot more interesting than it turned out to be!(and don't quote me on that because I don't know if it was true or not, just what I've heard)(edit: lol there was a random emoji on the middle of my comment idk where that came from but I got rid of it)
I saw the potential for a very interesting and nuanced look at what it means to wish and grant wishes. Magnifico starts the movie as a very sympathetic king who’s overprotective of his people’s wishes. Asha is an idealist who thinks no matter the wish they should be able to come true. I was hoping to see Asha have all the wishes be granted, and we see utter chaos break out with some people having conflicting wishes or outright malicious ones. The movie even poses interesting questions it could have asked (what if we change our wish?). Asha and Magnifico would need to team up to fix it and along the way both come to appreciate the other’s perspective. But no, Magnifico just turns cartoonishly, irredeemably evil at the drop of a fucking hat for literally no reason whatsoever.
Actually...with Asha becoming a fairy godmother at the end...doesn't she literally take the Kings place? She picks and chooses whos wish she grants based on her whims and if you take into account how things work in Cinderella, it leaves me to believe that she's probably granting far less wishes than the king was in this film.
To be fair that was never REALLY the conflict? The conflict was that the king was hoarding the wishes. Not returning them back to the people. Asha doesn’t have a problem with the idea that the king isn’t granting every wish, she fully acknowledges that it might be dangerous, but she believes that he shouldn’t keep their wishes hostage. That people should be allowed to pursue their dreams with or without magic.
@@cartoonishidealism582but say he gives a dangerous wish back, that means that person knows what they wanted to do, so that person fully well could carry on pursuing that dangerous wish, for example, if I wanted someone to die, but I had the wish taken and had no knowledge of ever wanting to do that because I gave away that wish to the king, should the king in good faith give that horrible wish back and carry on with the knowledge that there’s a possibility they’ll do the heinous wish on their own?
@@featgorgon3985 But the point was that the king’s view of what wishes were “bad” was incredibly skewed. The wishes he claimed were harmful weren’t really so, he was just selfish and paranoid.
Moral of the story: Fascism works as long as your the right kind of fascist. Hero does the same Thing the King does but it’s fine because she’s the hero.
@@nixxdrayeah, he shouldn’t be allowed to decide what’s good and bad because he’d obviously favor things that benefitted him and didn’t upset the status quo, which was him holding all the power. He’s biased.
Yeah, I sadly knew that Wish was not going to end up being good, simply by the idea of granting wishes without restrain with magic. It worked with Aladin, Ariel and Cindarella because every wish had limits and they were technically not lasting. (like the wealth you see Aladin getting to make his grand "prince" entrance disappears pretty quickly) Every single character has to WORK to get their wish granted somehow and some wishes can't be granted through magic, like love, death and life. Disney just dumped those important lessons all out the fcking window with Wish.
So, I recently learned the main reason Disney and many other animation houses switched to 3D wasn't strictly money related, but it was. The main issue is that 2D Animation was fully unionized, and to this day 3D animation is not. So it was easier, and cheaper to go with non-union 3D.... hopefully this changes soon and we get a full Renaissance in both.
It's kind of funny because I was convinced that the twist was going to be that when everyone starts getting their wishes it was going to be a disaster and the 'villain twist' was instead going to be that the sketchy king was actually right all along. That when you have so much power it becomes extremely important to use it responsibly. Making for a perfect act 2 low point before the main character turns around to fix what they ruined. It's just weird that in all the promotional material had the villain stating his goals and I could only think, "But... he's right. Like, the alternative would be awful." It just soured the whole idea of watching the film, and when I heard it was played 100% straight, making him the villain 'just because he is alright' by the end, I knew I'd never pay to see it.
That's not what the wishes in the movie are though. In the movie the wishes represent our deepest and innermost desires within the citizens hearts. Their dreams, their goals, their future achievements and their legacies. That's why when the King starts to crush the wishes in the third act, they start to feel an overwhelming grief because they feel empty without them existing. Having the King be right would have totally muddled the message of the film.
Yeah the marketing was completely off kilter for this movie. I got that impression as well, that the king was mostly right for his motives and Asha was in the wrong. I think it would’ve been interesting if perhaps they would’ve come to an understanding at the end of the movie instead of the king going down rather pathetically. Because from what I’ve heard from the development, technically his motives should’ve been explained better, that his whole village was ransacked and destroyed by raiders, so he desires to create a place where everyone is safe and happy. And that is why he is hesitant to grant what appear to be vague or bad wishes, since he would have the life experience seeing that not all dreams or wishes are good.
@@TECfan1yeah but people can have deep wishes to have harm or misfortune to come to someone, should the king grant wishes even if those wishes someone made to him were wishes that would’ve caused pain and suffering on someone they don’t like? It’s perfectly understandable why the king doesn’t grant every wish, because if he did that there’d be chaos and suffering, while I think his motives for keeping the star for himself and trying to prevent Asha from having powers like his aren’t good, the fact he didn’t grant everyone’s wish to begin with is 100% valid
Heard that in a RUclips video, that the King was right and how weird it is, that Disney is preaching this weird message, how all wishes should become true, no matter what. We have movies where it is explained why not everyone should get what they want. Bruce The Almighty is a good example. It would have been better if they had gone by the plot you described, because then Asha would have had the possibility to learn and the younger viewers would be able to understand properly, why sometimes, not all wishes can become true. Be careful what you wish for.
I think the thing that could have saved the ENTIRE movie is, if they would have just shown a flashback scene of the king fulfilling a nice seeming wish, but it ending up killing many. Especially one sounding similarly to the one the Grandfather wished for. That way, we had a motivation for the villain, had actual stakes as we know what COULD happen, and maybe in the end him not even being bad but just protective. As now, the villain feels like he has no motivation, the plot has no substance, and stuff just happens because it needs to. The movie feels flat
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Good idea, have it that one of those dying was his Queen, grief and pain can make people really change and even go off the rails completely, some can come back from it, others fall into the depths of grief and never return. Make the King the 2nd type, he can never accept wishes being granted except in rear cases because of his pain and fear.
They don't even need to flashback to this. They could have shown and not told it SOOO well. Asha asks, "What is so unsafe about this wish?" And him latching onto the bubble, holding it close and him stumbling over his words. Showing fear in his eyes, while you hear a heartbeat speeding up in the background. Tears bud at the corner of his eyes, and Asha speaks again to break him out of it.
How about making the king a king through a wish that killed his best friend but gave him his power? You get * Man who makes a wish that ends badly * Backstory that clearly explains why the king would be cautious around wishes * A reason for the knowledge that "evil magic" can control you
Love this idea! I think we also needed bigger stakes for a wish being destroyed, like the wisher falling into a coma, becoming severely ill, or completely losing the will do to anything. Instead of, yknow, just feeling sad briefly.
Or king witnessed years ago as prince at least once how fulfilled wish hurt one who made wish and/or others, and together with his causious nature makes him over-careful? Especially if he has self-esteem issues and think nobody likes him if he isn’t perfect?
It’d be interesting to see Asha steal a book and learn how to become a sorcerer herself. She could have a training montage and song (like Mulan) and even accidentally stumble across dark magic and struggle with feeling possessed by its powers. Eventually she’d learn how to handle her magic with the help of her friends (we have seven friends, we don’t need the star and goat too) and beat the king with her magic and community helping her.
If Wish was a classical 2D animation, that would be a huge improvement in celebrating their past, especially if it slowly transitioned to the modern format through the duration. It would show growth and charm of the world, and let it breathe in creativity.
god the main girl would've looked so pretty in 2d!!!! it'd give them a chance to make her look so much more different from how 3d Disney movies have been doing female main characters
I would have thought for Disney’s 100th film, they would have done a 2D biopic of Walt Disney; would’ve made a great excuse to use Mickey Mouse as a protagonist.
Lmao imagine Mickey mouse stealing ideas , chainsmoking war profiteering and hating jews they ain't gonna do anything about old Walt he is not PC and profitable
@@i.hate.swedish.ISRAELUBERALLES Walt Disney did not hate Jews. You can kind of make an argument with the whole "stealing ideas" topic if you consider almost all of Disney's works up to a point to be adaptations of already existing works. And yes, he was an avid smoker. But he was not antisemitic, this was already debunked.
I could easily see Saber's idea for the movie work. Asha, as the princess of the king and queen is tasked at finding someone who will have their wish granted. She meets sabino (the grandfather) and chooses him to be the candidate. However the king and queen decide his wish is too dangerous as it could overthrow the power they have over the kingdom. Asha then goes on the quest to make his wish come true against her parents back. Boom, a much more interesting story than what we got.
You could even add that the king and queen genuinely love Asha, but their lust to keep their power over the people ultimately turns their only child against them. We could also have Asha realizing that while she loves her parents, they are terrible people and can't be allowed to take advantage of innocent people anymore.
@@josephmonasky9495 Well, I had an idea where Sabino is the Wishing Star who sent his only son Magnifico to Earth to grant humanity's wishes before Magnifico became completely disillusioned by humanity and wishes before just lusting after power.
@@josephmonasky9495 Cause she been tasked to grant one wish? And she choose this old man cuz idk maybe he dying and its his dying wish? Duh, not even hard to make sense
Her design actually falls flat, it’s just another rapunzel, Elsa body type, face type. When you see her concept designs you’ll understand we could’ve had something new!! And actually diverse and appealing!! Corporate shmucks really do ruin any creativity these artists have….
It’s the fact Enchanted did a better job with easter eggs without having them be way too much, AND having an amazing original storyline, EVEN WITH CLASSIC DISNEY TROPES WRITTEN INTO THE SCRIPT LIKE THE POISON APPLE AND GISELLE.
"Enchanted" is perhaps the biggest piece of crap, that has ever been made by Disney. It is a completely vile and disgusting story with barely any redeeming qualities.
Wish tried so hard to stick to the “classic Disney formula” (a quirky female protagonist, a funny animal sidekick, an evil villain with a musical number, etc.) that it lacks its own identity. It doesn’t do anything spectacular or daring compared to Disney's other works. It just kinda… exists.
I work at a movie theater, time to time I get to hear what the customers think of the movie they watched. Many customers have told me how disappointed they were with Wish, they've even told me that Trolls was better. 💀 Needless to say, I'll always enjoy their feedback.
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if my family thinks the new Trolls is better than Wish, especially since we grew up during N*SYNC’s popularity. But I’ll still give both and Migration a chance. Anything I’m missing?
I feel like this plot synopses is what I imagine it would be like to be an animation intern or new director/writer at Disney: "I got the job! I'm going to work for the greatest animation studio of all time! I can't wait to make my masterpiece that I've planned for half my life!" "Cool idea. Edit this to get past the Chinese censors, use this soulless recycled animation that we've had for the past decade, and add more nostalgia bait. We're using this script rewrite that I ran through ChatGPT while I was on a herculean amount of coke last night. Also, add some merch fodder so I can make my bonus this year." "...What?..." "It's the 100th anniversary movie. Those smooth brained, mouse-eared stans will simp for it anyway. Seriously. We could animate a pile of dog vomit, have it scream racial slurs with Gilbert Gottfried's resurrected AI voice, and they'd still buy it."
You know it’s bad when the short before the movie does a better job at paying homage to the legacy of Disney (And generally being good), more than the movie itself
Fun fact: I work at a grocery store and the only way I knew this movie existed, was because the characters were on the stickers on the bananas. That was the only marketing I remember
Who WANTS Saber to make a 'What's RUINING Disney/Pixar?' At this point I feel like Disney needs a hard hit to remember what actually made them become the massive empire today, because a lot of their films lately have been suffering so hard, there isn't any magic left in them
they're detached. So focused on pushing out products that they are overworking while underpaying their staff for faster production not really thinking about if it clashes with another story or with itself. They stopped trying because they know that as long as the animation is somewhat decent kids will watch it and want all their products. They thought of the kids first and their Disney adults last, which is why the best Disney adults get out of this are the many references of past stories and movies they made. To many it feels like a backhanded compliment reminding people that Disney knows they can do great but just doesn't care.
Pixar’s fine. Of their recent films only Lightyear was actually bad. Disney however has only made ONE movie since Moana in 2016 that wasn’t mediocre, that being Encanto.
How I would see the story better: Kingdom has a years long belief that once a month, a star will shine brighter than the moon and if you wish to it by singing the traditional melody with your wish as the words, the wish will be granted. One day however, the star lost its light and stopped giving wishes. The Kingdom fell into a chaos of sadness and broken wishes until a young skilled sorcerer came and started granting wishes of the people in need. He also saved a very sick young woman; she fell inlove with her savior and later they got married. After some time he was given the title King and was beloved by all. Once he became the King, the melody of wishes once singed commonly became forgotten to all, except for one family, who happened to still remember the melody of wishes. Asha and her grandpa were living in a small house in the capital of the Kingdom of wishes. Grandpa wanted the melody not to be forgotten, so he told Asha to ask the King to Grant his wish for the song to be always remembered. Asha went and asked the King, but to her surprise, the King refused to grant the wish for it being not good for the Kingdom. Suspicious, Asha followed the King throught the halls of the wish tower in secret, until they were in a room full of unfulfilled wishes. Asha was shocked and confused, so realising that she saw something that was not supposed to be seen, Asha went back home scared and dissapointed. She was sad to tell her grandpa the bad news, but to her surprise, the grandpa had no idea what wish she was even talking about. Utterly confused, she couldn't sleep that night and went out for a walk. She walked a long time until she was at the top of the mountain. Only then did she realise that her silly little goat was following her so she sat down and gently hugged him while gazing at the sky full of stars. Asha remembered the tale of Melody of wishes and the star her grandpa used to always tell her so she started singing the melody of wishes' melody. After a while she stopped singing and whispered, "Oh dear star of wishes, please shine bright like you used to before. Shine like you used to when granting our wishes". She waited for a while, then laughed lightly at her own foolishness and was just about to turn around, when something very bright and shiny in the sky caught her attention.
I have a buncha half baked WIPs still bouncing around in my computer that have a better premise than what Wish gave us. And that’s not tooting my own horn either, I’m pretty critical of my work.
"We've discussed your pitch document Saberspark. It is a really fantastic pitch. We're going to make some revisions to align it better with our audiences and the goals of our stakeholders." That plus tons of compromises during development is why.
I will never not be ok that we didn’t get Magnifico’s full backstory. It seemed like such a tragic past - his village burned down (by who?), he lost his entire family, and fled to rebuild a Kingdom where he could keep people safe from the same fate with his own two hands. Hmm, doesn’t sound like a bad guy to me. Maybe expand upon it a little Disney? 🙄
Yeah I found it hard to really be upset with him esp after he used the *spoiler* with no sign of redemption. Kinda mad how they handled him in the end and truly see him as a victim
Thank you 🙏 yes! The biggest problem was them cutting so much from the early screening showing the progression of magnefico as he was transcending to villain status
Wish 2: Rise of Magnifico or "Magnifico" a streaming mini-series? why give what you want now when they can turn this into a tepid media franchise? And the public will gobble it all up anyway…
I think once upon a time did it better with rumple with him being a really likable antivillain. God carlyle owns that. And he is also like having a kud adaption agency , whuch fitsxwithin his backstory, makes sense, of aman ivercome by corruption odf dark dealy that also is very motherly,but not always good.
I do. We were supposed to get a starboy, possible romance and evil couple. Sounds way more interesting and compelling and I feel like it could create more emotional moments.
@@redmaster3542and the evil power couple could've been NEW. most of our villains were either single or widows, and if it was a duo it was usually the mastermind and the goon(s). all we got is the Queen and King of Hearts but again they're not exactly equals? the king felt more like her goon than her husband.
As a visual dev student I was excited to see what ideas would be used judging from the vis dev art I saw a while back but I’m sad to see that wasn’t the case with the final product of the movie 😢
Easy way to rewrite the movie. Asha, in leu of the king and queen being unable to conceive a child, is taken on as Magnifico’s apprentice. He teaches her how he does magic, about the fact he has to contemplate every wish and what it could cause to make sure the kingdom stays safe. That wishes being granted wildly could cause destruction and societal collapse. His system is necessary to keep his people safe, and if they remembered they’d asked for a wish and didn’t have it granted, it could breed selfishness and resentment of their peers and their king. It’s a necessary evil, one he feels great remorse in having to facilitate, but it’s for everyone’s own good. Asha loves learning. She’s a scholar, a forever student, and earned her place as the king’s apprentice through academics and tests of skill. But in her studies with Magnifico, she gets too curious, to adventurous, and finds the Star Boy locked up. He tells her that he is Magnifico’s real source of power, that his magic is stolen and it’s generosity used to prop up a false idol who’s never earned a single thing on his own. That his only real accomplishment was learning how to steal and use others, and that his wife, delighted by the life of luxury his bought them, hid the secret and keeps Star Boy locked away. And Star Boy also tells Asha that without the ability to renew his magic at a sacred wishing well, his magic will fade and he’ll disappear entirely. That’s the reason Magnifico only grants one wish a month. Because the magic is dwindling due to his greed. So Asha frees him and helps Star Boy get to the wishing well, avoiding Magnifico’s army, which is lead by the Queen. Asha is sold out by her friend and almost gets captured, but her friends (who were all trying to get wishes of their own granted) save her. They get to the wishing well, Star Boy renews his magic, and he becomes king. That would have been a lot more interesting.
Honestly just that First paragraph about wildly granting wishes needed to be in the movie, and show in the movie. Like seven deadly sin wishes: greed, envy and lust being the easiest examples. But no, the implication in the movie is that everyone's wish is pure and noble and he is evil for not granting every single one.
They announced a twisted wonderland anime a couple years ago and haven't given any further information since.. Hopefully if it does happen and makes its way to more western disney fans then it could finally squash the "villain anime boy dating sim" allegations lol
As I saw that picture of both Asha's parents being evil I was shocked of why that wasn't the case, Disney please put yourself together it's your 100 anniversary it should had been more special and more mind/hard work putted through
@@fartinfpooping8801 ah, I see. It wouldn't have been a bad idea either since in the early concept art, they have the same skin pigmentation as Asha and Queen Amaya has the same hair color as Asha.
Reason why? Politics and executives. Women can't be evil so the evil queen had to be removed. The king had to be changed for instant villainy because they needed an excuse for her to revolt... Also everyone hears the story and comes up with a bunch of ideas much better than this mess of a story. Also not very magical... How does Aladdin do magic better than this movie with only six wishes? A!so anyone who says people gave up wishes prevented the star from wishing... That is just an excuse just like how Geni had only six wishes made when they could habe given it to the royal family to get six more wishes.
I’ll always be mad about the changes made to this movie, especially considering that the villains were originally meant to be the king and queen as a power couple and the star was supposed to be a humanoid love interest for Asha
imagine if King Magnifico was from another kingdom that crumbled due to his father (the king of that time) granting a dangerous wish? And Magnifico (as the young prince) had to stand up and rebuild his kingdom? What if he once made a wish to the star to save his people but didn't come true and that's why he hates the star? And the the plot twist is that his wish was indeed granted! The star gave him strength and intelligence to rebuild the kingdom himself! But King Magnifico didn't know! And became a dictator, hating to grant wishes because it made him fearful for the safety of his new Kingdom, with time he also became arrogant And make the queen evil so they could sing a duet song similar to Only Human from Death Note the Musical!
Actually, that is actually a good idea. I haven't watched Wish but upon hearing that the plot of the movie was bland when it comes to storytelling, i think your idea would've been more awesome and more complex and simple
There's a deleted opening for Coco, where some of the elements of Día de los Muertos are explained through song, but the song was cut because test audiences were having trouble remembering the exposition when it was being given through song, which is exactly what Wish does. Wish's plot isn't complicated (Man takes people's wishes and makes them forget they ever had those wishes, only granting a tiny amount of wishes while keeping the populace complacent and unambitious, girl wants to give people their wishes back so they can remember them and pursue them without magic), but the way it was told made it complicated. On paper, Coco's rules were more complicated, but the storytelling made it easy to follow.
That's something I realized when I watched the movie. Such a simple concept but the way they were trying to explain it got me really confused. The songs felt so out of place and could've been replaced with simple dialogue.
oh my god I didn't even think about making Asha Magnifico's daughter!! the dynamic between them would've been similar to disney's villain/ princess dynamic but him being her *actual* parent would've been a breath of fresh air 😭
My favorite part is how the tagline of the movie is "Be careful what you wish for" But the movie literally says that everything you wish for is fine and don't worry about it.
Wish feels like the first draft of a potentially really good story. It seemed so unfinished in terms of the story. I really liked Sabers idea that Asha has some familial relationships with the villains, and that genuinely seems like something they probably should have landed on if they hadn’t literally stopped at draft 1.
The downfall of Walt Disney Animation Studios is so exceptionally sad because they were THE pioneers of animated Cinema. Regardless of what one thinks of Walt Disney or their early films, no one can deny his ambition and determination is what made films like Snow White and Fantasia a reality, and by extension their subsequent influence on cinema and culture. He no doubt cherished the profits that came along with his successes, but he often used those profits to invest on more ambitious ideas, be it a bigger animation studio, experimental movie experiences, a cartoon themed amusement park, or a City built entirely out of experimental technologies. The issue with the current CEO's are that they have no ambition, they only want to maximize their profits for the sake of it. They don't care about evolving the studio, innovating the world of entertainment, or leaving an awe-inspiring legacy. They only care about increasing their already ridiculous bank account numbers. I hope the recent streak of box office bombs and bad publicity (especially from the strikes) starts humbling them, and they start letting more artists express themselves and flourish.
@@KNadoliI think “die” is a bit of a loaded term. Financially, Disney will most certainly be around for a long while, but they’re bankrupt of real quality content and their crowning achievements will only continue to grow older. The old Disney is dead and buried, what’s left is just corporate greed puppeteering the husk of an amazing studio/company
@@elnicko4189 Exactly. They'll be financially well for a long time, but their heart & soul will not be around for much longer. Still, at least better than WowNow, which likely will die not just in heart & soul, but ALSO financially.
Disney had some rough periods through those times as well. This is one of those rough spots but Disney always reinvents itself. You are right though and I think that's the biggest issue with today's Disney. There's no passion there anymore. It's all sequels and reboots that really just come down to laziness. Disney used to be about pushing boundaries, now it's all about playing it safe. Nostalgia sells and that's what Disney's focus is right now. I'm really hoping people stop going to see the live action remakes of the animated classics. I think Beauty and the Beast was the last one I watched.
Why didn't they do a 'Fantasia 2024' for the 100 thing? That would have been perfect! They could have filled it with tons of lovely music and the whole POINT is the beautiful animation being mixed with the lovely classical music!
@@Furienna Okay. And? Wish was a terrible choice through and through, especially as a celebration movie. You gonna make a celebration movie, may as well make a movie where the whole point is beautiful animation.
"Wish" happened to do well or really well in countries as diverse as France, Spain, United Kingdom, South Korea, Japan, Australia, Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay. You have to look outside your North American box sometimes before you call something a "terrible choice"...
yeah and? If your whole argument is how much $$$ Wish made it still bombed overall when you consider the entire international box office. who cares if it did well in a few countries if money is the only factor of success you care about
@@Furienna I'm not using finances as a metric here. I fully expect that a 'Fantasia 2024' wouldn't do well. But that's the thing; it's not the point. It's meant to celebrate 100 years of beautiful animation. It's hard to not look at something like the Sorcerers Apprentice and not understand just how beautiful it is. Heck, even that silly little opening skit where they had the line was still very well animated. It's hard to look at Fantasia and *not* feel like it's Disney. But what did we get instead? A lazy CGI movie with a terrible script, full of pointless references, and just not very good. Had they just taken their most popular songs and sections, edited them together, and released it on Disney+ it would have been a *much* better celebration than freaking Wish was.
Obviously it's not impossible for a 17 year old to have a 100 year old grandpa but it probably would have made more sense to make him the great grandpa.
That would have been great... about a 10 years ago. Nowadays, I am afraid that they'll ruin that game series (not that it is convoluted already.) If they hire people, who genuinely have respect for the series and won't place their own views on the story/characters, then it would be good.
The idea of the star appearing as a represention of a younger version of Asha's grandfather is so interesting. And the star absolutely should have been able to shapeshift, that makes so much sense for the literal embodiment of a person's wishes. But OF COURSE they chose to forego all of that for a cute but bland, plush-ready sidekick.
I predict that the toys for this movie will end up being written off by their manufacturers as unsellable inventory and wind up at Dollar Tree. Just like Lightyear toys.
Your idea IS better than what they gave, but if Disney puts out another 'my family is the REAL villain' 'My parents not apologizing is the REAL villain' 'My family legacy is holding me back and I need to be set free' type movie I will burst into flames. It went from every Disney parent is deceased to every Disney parent is evil and/ or doesn't understand their kids and is therefore a villain to be defeated. Can we get an Incredibles revival arc? Where sometimes your family has your back and you wear color coordinated outfits while punching psychos in the face together please?
@@FunFilmFare While Mirabels parents werent jerks, im not sure they were helpful either. I only watched it once but from what i remember her mom was the toxic positive mom stereotype and i dont remember her dad at all.
@Koranthus Mirabels parents were both wonderful. It was abuela who had a toxic influence on all of them. The most they were truly guilt of was overlooking how much abuelas pressure was hurting them inside, and that was hard to see because nobody expressed it openly
I remember a comment under a trailer saying that they hoped the plot would be that the King was completely reasonable, and that the MC would unleash chaos by trying to grant every single wish possible, showing that every random desire shouldn't be granted.
@@derekgunnels4856 I mean, yes. But what I was saying was that, basically, the inexperienced MC would be misunderstanding why some wishes _shouldn't_ be granted. That she would be assuming the king was a jerk for not granting everything asked of him. A story about how teens/kids think they know more than they really do. Maybe there could be a character who is her friend, influencing her to do this so they can get power to do bad stuff, so there's still a villain.
@@bluelfsumaWouldn’t even need to be bad stuff. It could just be that the friend is too selfish to stop. Wants all their wishes granted, heedless of the cost.
@@cybertramon0012 Honestly, I just added the last bit because people are sick of there being no villains in lotsa Disney films, lately. I think the concept works better without some outside influence, and it's all the failings of the protagonist to understand, and the mentor/antagonist to explain well.
i went to the cinema with my mate. At the end of the movie there was a debate within all the people that was in the cinema. Was curious, we we all talking to each other about it. We all kinda thought the same, that Asha was the villian, selfish and only cared about her relative's wishes and nothing else. I mean when she went to "free" the wishes for the first time, she just went directly for her relative's ones. We all agreed that we felt bad for Magnifico, that before the book possessed him, he was kinda right, yeah a bit narcissist and so, but he let the people live there for free, everyone mostly looked happy, he did all for them, he was facing trauma. And they just questioned him, they didn't cared about Rosas as he did, only about wishes. Then the queen... she knew the book possessed him and at the end of the movie she didn't ehen felt bad for the man she "loves" and juat throwed him in the dungeon. While Asha, the selfish one got everything she wanted and more. And sge learned absolutely nothing. She is the sale from start to finish, no change at all.
Oh bull, they only seemed happy because King Magnifico had lobotomized them and destroyed their personalities so he could stay in power. Give me one example of when he cared about Rosas and not only about himself.
Y'know what would have been a better celebration? Going back to the original animation style, drawings and paintings as a call back to their roots Literally their 100th anniversary to go all out and they made it so unbelievably safe...
Now you mention it, this would have been the PERFECT time to go back to tradition medium! But Disney is a shell of what it was, so I am not surprised they took the route they did.
I had a similar thought watching this. That - or starting the movie as 2D animation, and at some point the king grants a wish ("I wish life was more complete" or something) -- and the movie shifts into full 3D. Pulling off a Wizard of Oz - black and white to full colour shift. Highlighting where they started and now where they have ended up. tie it to the trope that what you wish for and what you get aren't always the same thing...
I think the big difference between now and decades ago, is that back then Executives saw themselves as salesmen, they ordered a product, gave some basic guidelines, and then sold the product when it was finished. Nowadays Executives are different, they think they are the product (that's not really what I mean, but it's the best way I can explain it): and are micromanaging every step of the process. That's the simplest answer i can come up with for why everything seems so dead-eyed and soulless these days.
You're not far off the truth. The attitude of Disney executives hasn't changed, the main difference now is that they actually don't have anything to offer the creative side of their business but are still acting like they do. Part of the reason Disney got to its heights is through executives and leaders who were either artists themselves or who understood artistic creation and how it works. The current suits think they're like that when in reality all they can do is parrot the opinions and fashionable views of their peers.
I watched a documentary ages back about how, at the peak of his terminator fame, we nearly got a dark remake of Planet of the Apes with Arnold Schwarzenegger playing a scientist who gets sent into the past to find a cure for a genetic plague that’s devastating humanity, and he ends up leading the humans in a war against a rival faction of murderous intelligent apes. The script was written by Terry Hayes who wrote Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior and it was gong to be directed by Philip Noyce (Dead Calm, Patriot Games, Clear and Present Danger etc). It sounds like a goddamned dream right? HOWEVER fox studio executive Dylan Sellers wanted the film to be a comedy. He pitched the idea that when Arnie goes to the past, he finds humans and apes who are trying to play baseball, but they’re missing one key element, like they don’t have a pitcher or something. Arnies character knows what they’re missing and he teaches them and then they all play baseball. When Terry Hayes hated the idea and when he handed in his violent science fiction script, without any baseball in it, Dylan was enraged and fired Hayes, causing Noyce to quit, and the project was over. Imagine that, we nearly got a dark science fiction action movie, written by the writer of The Road Warrior, staring Arnie at his peak, murdering ape-men in a Primal-esque setting. It was written and ready to go, but it was all sunk because one talentless moron desperately wanted to see cavemen and monkeys playing baseball. I honestly wish I could step into another timeline where Dylan Sellers didn’t exist just so I could watch that film.
I get the sense that this movie had a lot of developmental/production issues, especially when you look at the concept art. The initial pitch featured a magical boy as the star, and an evil King AND Queen, but it somehow turned into this. But the thing is, the artwork featuring those elements have character designs pretty much identical to the ones in the movie. So I’m convinced these changes were made pretty last minute by the marketing department. In terms of Asha being the daughter of the King instead, in the concept art he has a much darker skin tone. So I wonder if maybe that was again part of the initial development.
i keep seeing this “initial pitch” with the star boy and evil royal couple being brought up, how did people find this out? i’d like to see more on this but i’ve yet to find a related article/piece of art
That's not developmental or production issues, that's just how it works. You test things out in development, you get notes, and you change things. Same with production. Disney showcases the show to other filmmakers and test audiences, they give feedback, and they make adjustments. I'm not 100% sure what happened to Star as a human, but that could have been production or potentially a conflict of interest between what the studio wants and what corporate wants. Sometimes the studio has to adjust based on what corporate wants, too.
In the newer original movies in the animation and storytelling I can see the creativity from the people behind it and the corporate control holding it back. it’s like muffled screams.
I had that with Elemental, that movie had SO MUCH creativity to work with but they didn't apply it at all. Also it was so weird and dumb how Ember was so non-confronting with Wade for actually closing her dad's shop. For someone with anger issues she was so mild about it. And I don't know who is creating this trend behind the scenes, but they made that entire city for barely any interaction in it. Also the love scenes were so quick and random. They randomly fell in love in that balloon? The parents had to leave their town? It was so vague, like can't they build a new house? There was no real reason for them to have to leave everything and go to another city. The hate water and fire have for each other wasn't even really applied. And they say "Element can't mix" but then Clod falls in love with Ember, and that Cloud lady after the Basketball match says "you guys are a cute couple" like.. keep it consistent, what is it?! Ugh.. I'm just so tired of Disney not giving character development, not showing true emotions and really toning everything down and being so counter productive with the stories.
I feel like its so obvious she went meant to be the daughter/princess in the story. It makes much more sense and wayyy better stakes. But considering how corporate this movie ended up being, I bet you they told the filmakers that you cant have a movie where the child rebels against a parent because people wouldnt like the message that kids should act out against their parents. Sounds super dumb and it is, but its like a weirdly common complaints adults make about kids media.
That makes a lot of sense actually. That could very well have been the reason they decided against such an idea! Absolutely agree that her being related to the king would be a much better choice, though!
Disney tried to die on the hill of anti-Parental Rights Act in Florida. They definitely don’t care about parents not liking their messages anymore. They literally are losing millions because of it.
Their house almost collapsed in the 80s, but the Little Mermaid and the renaissance that followed is what saved them. And even when they had a mid period in the 00s, they still picked back up steam by the 10s. Disney is going through another mid period, and need to readjust and let their creatives work (Wish had so many ideas and potential squandered due to executive meddling [I wouldn’t even blame the release date if they just let the creatives make the movie in the time allotted to them without meddling/pushback]) if they don’t want another ‘collapsing house’ situation.
This should give you some insight into how much money Disney has. They can afford to not only spend, but LOSE hundreds of millions of dollars (surpassing a billion) and still keep their theme parks open, build new ones, and green light more movies with budgets that go beyond what you and most of your town will collectively earn in a lifetime. EACH.
The concept of sacrificing the memory of your wish for a chance to have it granted, without remembering making the wish itself, could actually work and be pretty uplifting or really fucking dark, depending on how it's implemented. If you still remember why you needed to make the wish, but only forget the act of meeting the king and actually making it, then the wish coming true would feel like a result of your hard work or luck smiling upon you, leaving you content. In this scenario, the king might be revealed later in the film to be a fraud, lacking any substantial magic beyond pretty light effects and leaving the wishes up to chance - thus, an actual wish-granting creature appearing in his kingdom would understandably freak him out and make him do drastic things to stay in power, which could be a commentary on how real-life politicians often rely on fake promises and stealing credit, and the horrible things a paranoid head of the government can be capable of when they feel that their power is in jeopardy. In that case, the message could be that magic is not the end all be all, and people have always been capable of attaining their goals through realistic means, with the star's power maybe used to grant something specifically unrealistic at the end (like breaking a magical curse placed on someone by the king after he goes full dark magic mode), with the more mundane and attainable goals left to be fulfilled by the people themselves. Now, for the darker take: in exchange for making the wish come true, the person forgets why they made the wish in the first place, all feelings that had led to them making it now buried deep within their consciousness. Still, the wish and all the benefits of it are now granted; and if your mother is healthy once again, does it really matter that you have forgotten why you wanted her to be healthy? If you have the money to buy the house of your dreams now, does it matter that you have forgotten why you needed a house like that? If you are now a famous singer, is it bad that you have forgotten why you love to sing? While the benefits are still there and still make sense, this leads to generations of people who have attained what they wanted, but feel no joy from having attained it. The protagonist lives in a kingdom where people seem to be constantly dissatisfied with their daily life and missing a spark, so she feels like the king's wish-granting reign is justified: the people are miserable, they need magic! But then she finds out the truth and realizes that the most miserable people she knows are in fact the ones who had their wishes granted: a young man who constantly squabbles with his elderly mother after having forgotten the love he had for her, a lonely widow who has forgotten that the house she is constantly trying to sell is the dream home she once wished for with her late husband, a washed-up self-absorbed singer who forgot the love he had for his art and is only left with the money and fame aspects of it... As it turns out, trying to magically force your wish to come true will hurt more than it's worth, and the king, a neutral figure in this story, has always warned people about the consequences, they just didn't listen. The star in this story could actually be another member of the king's wish-granting species, who came to bring him home after seeing how unhappy he's been on Earth, but the king protests, still believing that humans, incomplete as they are, need his help and guidance and won't be able to accomplish things without his magical help... Only to be proven wrong by the protagonists refusing to use magic to solve their issues, and gracefully accepting his departure, leaving humans of the kingdom to tend to themselves and regain their autonomy. I wish we could have gotten something like this instead.
According to an interview between Chris Gore and a disney employee on his channel Film Threat, Wish was suppose to be the origin of the "When you wish Upon a Star" song to help celebrate Disney's 100 years. They had some of the last remaining Disney Renaissance veterans working on it when all of a sudden it got hijacked by Disney's post modernist employees and warped it into the POS we got. One of the renaissance vets said this was the Last Straw and finally left the studio. (I wanted to reference which one but it looks like the YT algorithm is burying the negative review videos and I can't find it again)
Thats so depressing, but i can totally see the newer gen employees instilling their own crap biases, along with corporate shoe horning themselves into it, i fear media will keep getting softer and more bland and digestible as we continue on
I thought that's what it was originally supposed to be about or the very least my interpretation was more how this movie was supposed to be the universal tie between all of the disney movies. I thought that the protagonist would do something so grand and beneficial to her story that she becomes immortalized as that star
Don't see how post modernist employees would have highjacked it. Given that the Disney Renaissance Vets would have have senority and some influence over it. So there has to be more to the story. Was it someone higher up?, Did they present something that angered the vets?
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Real shame Disney’s 100th anniversary is like this
Bland main character.
Maybe it should've been about Mickey instead.
Oddly, this movie seems to ironically showcase how Disney has changed over 100 years from a cutting-edge studio into a corporate sweat-shop, milking its legacy and image for $$.
Disney has always been a bit of a corporate sweat shop, Disney himself was infamous for his poor treatment of workers and underming the talent and hard work of the animators working under him. Disney got lucky that strict censorship laws killed every animation studio that could possibly compete with him and Disney was the only potential employer for many talented artists during that time.
I feel like the higher ups at Disney think they still live in a world where Disney is the only studio with enough money and employees to create a feature length animated movie. Early animated Disney movies like Snowhite and Sleeping Beauty were impressive on the animation side but not so much on the story telling side. The scripts were basically standard stage adaptations of old and well-known fairy tales. It worked back than because animation was a novelty.
period
It’s becoming a Dollar store movie outlet at this point. Soon enough Disney will become a Ghost Town.
@@GaidenDS10 Or more than likely turn around and switch back to a more successful model.
True.
A superior way to revere past Disney works (or whatever) would have been to use old tropes and story templates, or prior knowledge of fairy tale/young male explorer stories to make a new interesting spin on the story similar to Enchanted. Not to say I am a fantastic writer, it's just an idea. If they like the Tangled animation and adorkable Anna characters, that's fine. Kids aren't getting tired of it yet.
We need more films like Hercules or Treasure Planet, on god.
The fact that the little star guy was originally gonna be a whole dude who came from the stars themselves, AND he was gonna be the love interest? This story could've had so much.
I love the idea of Asha being the daughter of the villain COUPLE, who goes against them to try and help her star magic soul mate. Wwaayyy more drama from that
Now that sounds like a fun movie. This and Elemental just gave off "generic product" vibes so hard in their trailers that I wasn't even interested in going to the theater and I'm the type of person who will go by myself to see an animated film if i have to. I'm excited to see animation from alternative sources popping up but it does hurt to have grown up in the Disney renaissance only to watch them lose their way.
@Dumbledoresarmy13 I'm more so disappointed that they've gotten lazy. Wish was supposed to be in 2D but Disney chose otherwise cause 2D animation is "too hard"
That's so insulting to me. Disney was the pioneer in 2D animation. 2D animation was the reason Disney even made billions of dollars. It's what started them. So for them to complain about how it's "too hard" is just such a slap in the face. Especially for the fans who loved the Renaissance era
@@DoodleFoxxyit's not 'too hard'
2D animation is unionized. 3D is (or was? I know over the summer there was some voting going on) not. So 2D animators actually have to get paid more than the bare minimum, so companies use 3d animation to avoid paying their workers as much as possible.
Notice how often a small project is still 2D - if it was Too Hard they'd all be doing it in 3d
@@TigirlakaLaserwolf6 that's why I don't believe Disney when they complain about 2D. It requires a lot more skill and patience, so much skill that they know they'd have to pay a lot more. Disney has proven that they don't care about the craft, they just want their next big hit. It's all about quantity to them, not quality
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Look, unapologetically evil villains are my absolute favorite. But this story? About a person that can literally grant wishes to make people happy? This villain would have KILLED as the jaded hero that becomes a villain. A backstory of his inability to keep everyone happy and his discovery that magic will never be enough, no matter how good his magic is? That would have offered something new and compelling.
Honestly that would have been so good, I rarely see Heroes turned Villains as a use for plot especially in Disney (I think, I am not really sure if there are actually some out there) and I think this concept would have been actually amazing, alongside with other things Saber mentioned it could have absolutely worked! And shows that the characters have something to show and tell to the audience
Real hurts that apparently a bumch of random internet users in a YT comment section can come up with better movie ideas than the biggest media company on earth.
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That would be great commentary on current human entitlement issues, and the burnout felt by those still dedicated to doing the right things but, losing faith in humanity through constant showcases of greed. Learning when to Sacrifice, and renewing one’s faith in humanity would have been an important message in today’s society. But, Disney never takes risks anymore. So, that’s too touchy of a message for their worse than fanfic writers can handle.
And perhaps even that spellbook he got corrupted by be some sort of "devil on his shoulder", promising to grant him his wish if he does what he's told. Maybe something related to the "I give and give and give" line in his "villain" song that it eventually breaks him, as there is but only so much a person can give before it eventually makes them cave in
The Princess and the frog tackled the ‘Wishing Star’ concept far better.
Believe in the magic of the world and You wish with all your heart on that star, but you’ve got to put in the work to help make that wish come true.
Actually, now that I think about it, The Princess and the frog would have been a much better fit to celebrate 100years of Disney.
It also had an actual "classic villain" who's a genuine contender for most terrifying Disney villain.
I've been saying this since the movie came out. Not only did PatF had an engaging protagonist, cohesive story, a menacing villain, but it did all that while staying true to the studio's legacy making references when needed but being its own unique story, and also having the courage to be a 2D movie
The music was so good and it was refreshing to see the prince get his ass humbled and actually put in effort
Not to mention having a great message - especially needed these days - that while it is good to have ambitions and the willingness to work, life isn't just about financial success or accomplishments.
Princess and the Frog really is an underrated movie.
Princess and the Frog may not have been the 100th anniversary tribute it deserved to be, but it was quite the bow-out for hand-drawn Disney animation.
I think Disney clearly didn’t understand what people meant by wanting a cruel villain that won’t be redeemed. You can still make a compelling villain even if they’re cruel and unredeemable. You don’t have to rip every shot of a motive and backstory from them to do that. What sucks is they’ve literally done it before!! Scar and Jafar for example. Both cruel and unjust villains. But villains with MOTIVES!
This is why I always believe that Disney would never make a villain like Frollo ever again.
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@@michaelstrong5383Honestly same
Technically Jack Horner from Puss in Boots 2 hadn't a motive and a mostly successful backstory for a villain. Difference is, Jack was still compelling even if he was just cartoonishly evil.
Honestly, I think one of the real problems with Wish is that it doesn’t really do anything outside Disney’s comfort zone. You’ve got the the generic story, boring and formulaic villain, and the uninteresting main protagonist. Combined with the fact that it’s supposed to be the movie to celebrate Disney’s 100th birthday is so.. Sad.
And yet, people were complaining about twist villains.
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I'd love to see Disney making something more similar to The Black Cauldron, Atlantis or Treasure Planet in CG. Don't of if they're capable of making something similar to Spider-Verse or Mutant Mayhem. Even Pixar tried something different with Lightyear, despite its flaws
Asha’s personality doesn’t match her design. She looks young but her long dress and hair makes her look kinda regal and seem like a more mature character. Like, I could definitely visualise her being friendly but on the calmer side, the kind of girl that does her homework on time and doesn’t want to ruffle any feathers. Was pretty disappointed when Disney forced the shallow adorkable personality on her.
I know!! She looks like she’d be perfect for a shy protagonist that needs to come out of her shell (a dynamic that Disney hasn’t done for female protagonists in years and would really be good for girls that *aren’t* “adorkable”)... It’s like the one who designed her had a vision for her, but she got lobotomized by the Disney girl formula.
From her design, she seems like she would get easily overwhelmed by crowds and instead prefers to be on her own since it’s within her comfort zone. She doesn’t want to draw too much attention to herself and would probably want to give the spotlight to someone who she feels would deserve it, even when it’s her that does and thinks more than does. Someone who, as the story progresses, gets a stronger spine and learns to be more comfortable about “doing”.
That kind of princess would represent a good amount of girls out there that deal with feeling overwhelmed by crowds and are too scared to break out of their shells! Always having a princess that represents one type of girl leaves out the ones that are the opposite...
I knew next to nothing about this movie other than a poster I saw on a wall, and I had assumed the same.
Thought it was a nice change of pace, since as much as I love Mirabel from Encanto, the "adorkable quirky girl" puts me off (I was sick of it even when Moana came out).
When I saw what her personality actually was, I was super disappointed and its genuinely the thing that put me off the film. It feels like it was Frankensteined onto her for no other reason but to be quirky.
At least Mirabel made sense, she adapted to be more quirky to compensate for her lack of a talent.
Like the other commenter said, I think Disney should make a protagonist that quiet, regal, serious type girls can relate to.
The annoying dorks really just push away a large portion of the audience (or worse, makes kids think that they should change their personality to be more quirky in order to be liked, when really they should embrace who they are).
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@@MetaGiga I can definitely see that! Her having this type of personality would also make her standing up against the King (who’s she also the apprentice of) a lot more compelling as it shows her growth, courage and gives her a proper character arc. It could have been really interesting for both the movie and as an addition to the Disney Princess lineup.
@@clydesdale1775 I agree. It’s also a real missed opportunity to make a modern princess who also could have been a call back to the older more poised Disney heroines, especially considering it was their 100th anniversary film. Speaking of annoying dorks, honestly I’m also just waiting for Disney to make a genuinely awkward Princess rather than the forced quirky haha so awks adorkable type. Give me a Princess who’s GENUINELY awkward or shy rather than a conventionally “relatable” manic pixie girl!There’s so many types of personalities they’ve yet to explore and hopefully the reception to this film will serve as a wake up call to allow for more creativity.
It’s so disappointing that they didn’t go with the original ideas they scrapped, I mean.. who wouldn’t want a villain power couple and a love story between a magical star prince and Asha???
I would have watched that.
Where did you hear of this
@@jiderdanso2727 tiktok, they have vids of the previous concepts
@@jiderdanso2727 In the concept art book of Wish. Originally the star was going to be Asha's love interest and had a more human-like design. And the Queen was also going to be in on the villainous plot with the King.
@@Thunderwolf4 danke
Maybe in 100 years when copyright expires, we'll get to see it properly made 🙃
I think the reason Magnifico and the Queen aren’t Asha’s parents is because Disney has a thing with making biological parents straight up villains. This is why when a villain is close to the hero in a familial way, it’s usually a stepparent, adoptive parent, or an evil aunt or uncle.
Notably, when an antagonist IS related to the hero, they are notably less straight up evil and more humanized, or end up redeemed in the end (Encanto is a big example).
Part of this is a marketing tactic: parents may complain about a movie where a child rebels a parent, or where a parent must be put in jail for committing certain crimes. Basically, anything that pits parent and child against each other in a way that can’t be solved with reconciliation is stigmatized. This is primarily because I think a lot of Disney parents would find issue with a child “rebelling” against a parent in a permanent sense.
It's because of China. Coco while loved, had issues from Miguel disobeying his Grandmother.
@@swishfish4289 it’s not just a China thing, I’ve seen parents like that in the US too
@@-AirKat-i've seen parents like that in any other country tho
I can’t blame them for that, Because people literally complained that turning red was trying to “influence children to rebel against their parents will”
And yes, I know turning red is technically a pixar movie, but Disney owns Pixar so I feel like it balances out
@@-AirKat- that's not the point I was making. It's just- it would have been banned and couldn't have been marketed in China, as it wouldn't have passed their censors. Like, Zootopia was put on blast as 'Immoral American Propaganda' by the PLA because of their choice of making the Sheep, a Prey Animal, A villain. China is a huge Market for Films, basically, they would have lost out on a potential billion.
The thing is, the motivation for the king isn't even unreasonable. It's literally impossible to have everyone's wish granted. Imagine a child wishes they could go off and do their own thing but the parents wish that the kid would stay home and take up the family trade. What would happen?
Do you think this "granting everyone's wish" plot line was done better or worse, back in Wonder Woman 1984?
Bruce almighty exists also.
@@Adamkalb1its just as bad
Appabbend mentioned Bruce Almighty showing exactly what happens when an omnipotent being just says "Yes" to every prayer/wish
That's basically proof of how horrible written this movie is. All Magnifico had to do when confronted by Ms Entitled was tell her "Okay, this dude wishes for their neighbor to die. This one for all the people he doesn't like to suffer. You want everyone to get their wish? Cool, here's a taste of how that would be" Done. Her literal WHOLE ARGUMENT completely destroyed in 5 seconds. But no, the movie bends Magnifico and everything in the movie, to make her look like she's right. Like, fk off.
What's utterly devastating is that the initial idea for Wish sounds perfect for a 100th anniversary film. Imagine how great it would be to have Star as a shapeshifter with a personality like a fusion between Peter Pan and the Genie, as Asha's love interest, and the king and queen as an evil couple. And all that in 2D! That could have been amazing, it was right there... and Disney didn't do it.
Heck, I'm so disappointed they didn't I'm going to write my own musical movie using that premise because it needs to exist in some form.
I was hoping for something similar to that very idea! I don’t have much hope for Disney these days but I wanted something special for the 100th anniversary, it’s too important to let down!
I am eagerly anticipating seeing people's own versions of Wish on RUclips soon 😭 cuz the audience Disney is trying to pander to is making better stories than they do in COMMENT SECTIONS
Not to mention King Magnifico and Queen Amaya having an evil sidekick cat.
@@aquatiger8 I was honestly just thinking about that earlier after watching a different review! I wrote my own in the comments then read so many other cool ideas that it makes me want to write my own rewrite of the plot. And I bet there would be lots of other fanfics fleshing out this world because it sorely needs it.
@@DeadmanInc336at this point this just sounds like Jessie and James xD
Disney already had a movie where the message is to make you’re own dreams come true that starts with a black woman wishing on a star, and it actually stuck to that make it come true yourself theme without forgoing magic and love and all that stuff Disneys brand relys on.
Shhhh don't bring that film up. Disney will remake it and royally screw it up lol
@@mali-catIf they made Tiana a white red-head, it's fine.
@@TedEhioghae and Moma Odie becomes an old asian dude? XD
I bet you never call her white woman if she is white
And yet, it was never seen as a financial success since the grown-ups saw "Avatar" and the kids saw "Alvin & The Chipmunks: The Squeakquel" instead.
Just wait a few decades, and you will see people praise "Wish" for how it's so much better than whatever movie is the butt-monkey by then.
Definitely do that “what’s ruining Disney” video. What made Disney so magical are all the artists and talented storytellers that worked behind it, not the stupid executives and higher ups that thinks they know better
Yeah, Disney is already carving their tombstone at this point.
@@otakumarcus No, they are not. Disney has many more sources of income.
I think that Disney are just using their movies and TV shows as a laboratory, and you as the test subject.
@@cashewnuttel9054 what other sources of income. Everything ties back to the media they make in some way.
@@cashewnuttel9054they should stop running the tests then
Saying they have many sources of income is...kind of avoiding the issue. It needs to be understood that Disney has grown to be a behemoth yes, but its need for income has also grown, the danger it faces with diminishing returns is it WILL reach a point where it can't support itself anymore...and either the quality will go down even further, or pieces will have to be carved off the whole. Neither is a good look for what used to be a nearly bullet proof company.
Disney never disappoints when it comes to disappointment.
😂😂😂
Just like EA, Disney also has that skill to disappoint you again and again, just in time you thought, it couldn't ever get any worse, but you can always expect them to find a new low xD.
@@ple8379 how about the Disney adaptation of Swan Lake? No, not the swan princess that one made by nest entertainment
@@jamessparkman6604 I'd absolutely love to see it done by disney... Old Disney that is. When they were still making these wonderful animations, as 9-10 year old, I was waiting for the Swan Princess or The Pea Princess for instance, as the Grimm Brothers' tales was what I grew up with, and seeing those tales on a big screen was a wonderful feeling.
Old Disney, that created all of these animated movies - I'd love to see some more, but this Disney doesn't exist anymore.
Disney is now a shitty, political and greedy company. They'd rather continue milking existing franchises, changing them into live actions or making sequel after sequel for their newest animation movies. I'm not here for this. While I miss the old times, I had already moved on from Disney. I will still watch the animations, and I hope they won't take these classics away :(.
That’s wrong
I don't remember where I heard it from, but someone described Wish as the first Disney "children's movie" rather than a family movie, and I think that speaks volumes.
Schaffrillas Productions
Shiny productions
That's doesn't make sense.. The were always for kids and adults
@darianstarfrog there's a difference between a childrens movie and a family movie. A lot of Illumination movies and popcorn movies like Sharkboy and Lavagirl do not have a mature theme only jokes and shenanigans. While family movies can be enjoyed by adults its why Encanto, Zootopia, Lilo and Stitch, and other classics are Family movies because they actually have messages
@@darianstarfrog Yes, but this one feels like it was made for childrens enjoyment only, Adults can see the flaws more obviously
Fun fact: Contrary to popular belief, the movie Wish is not directly named after the concept of longing for something, but after the e-commerce company, as a form of tribute to the quality of their products.
😂😂😂😂
Uhh duh
Wow! I learned something new today. Thank you! ☺️
The lesson is: let the creatives cook, keep the executives out.
Yeah
More like: Let the artists and writers cook, and let the executives serve
@@MonicalovesMangoesthey can't serve for shit tho
Unfortuanetly the human is a creature driven by money. After all they had to feed their family and the wine cant be reinvented otherwise there would'nt be sequels of an already ended succesful franchises.
Honestly if Disney just left it up to writers, concept artists, and animators rather than higher-ups or corporate, they could have a movie that was as successful in financial gain as the FNAF movie. Or at least have done Nimona. They’ve shown a gay relationship in a sitcom, so I feel like that was just their fear of being put into controversy and corporate interference that made this a failing year.
Everything _Wish_ tried to do, _Puss in Boots: The Last Wish_ did better: an old-fashioned evil villain, a funny animal sidekick, wishes coming true without need for magic, even a little romance (imagine _that_ in a Disney movie these days!). In fact, _Wish_ bears such striking similarity to _Puss in Boots 2_ (a magic star falls to earth and can grant wishes, told with a heavy Spanish flavor) that I can’t help but wonder if this is another instance of Disney and Dreamworks “taking inspiration” from each other. If so, it’s all too clear which studio executed the idea better.
Anyone who wants to see _Wish_ should seriously just watch _Puss in Boots 2_ instead; and if you’ve already seen it, just watch it again. It’s the movie _Wish_ wishes (haha) it was.
Not to mention a look that blends 3D- with 2D-aesthetics.
I mean - that's a trend going on for a while now. It's just unfortunate that Disney tried it for this of all films.
@@fermintenava5911The trend started from Spiderverse. Because of that movie, now everyone wants to do this 2D-3D mix. Idk if y’all notice but every time a fight scene happens in Puss in Boots, the animation changes and looks more strikingly similar to Spiderverse style. Which is a good thing. I think that animation style brings out more of what people are trying to show nowadays instead of just straight Pixar CGI.
@@angelbaby3342I’m so glad spiderverse’s animation has inspired other animation studios, because it’s just beautiful work.
Puss In Boots 2 also had a funny villain(Jack Horner), a villain you sympathized with(Goldy), AND a villain to be terrified of(Death)...
In "Wish", you felt NOTHING from the villain. And that to me is pretty bad.
I absolutely *HATE* the idea of more studios adopting that choppy on-twos style. Maybe I’ve got some sort of undiagnosed photosensitivity or something, but I had to walk out of _Puss in Boots: the Last Wish_ because the fight sequences made me nauseous. Spiderverse is also unbearable to watch for that same reason.
I love how disney became bland and disconnected from what the audience wants, cause it makes room for indie studios and real people (not giant souless corporations) to make movies and animations that people actually want.
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Indeed an indie movie, bringing the nostalgia feelings, 2D and 3D blend perfectly to bring out how Disney changed over 100 years.
Bring back the animals talking, wishing on the star, villians 😂. Those memories are never forgotten ❤.
I scrolled all the comments and most of them just expressed the disappointments. I can tell they just want to bring back those memories for us, those characters 🎉🎉 .
This movie is not having a very big climax, but it is a very special movie to me.
Disney being like this makes me feel so confident that I can do better
@@StarribruinsAnyone who is passionate about what they do is capable of doing better
That‘s a great way to see it!
Saber, did you notice the end credits had a character from each Disney animated film? Except it DIDN’T because not only did they skip over most of the films if the 1940s, but they also skipped Black Cauldron and both Rescuers movies (and all sequels besides Fantasia 2000. So they actively excluded history in their retrospective.
Then again, they've always pretended Black Cauldron didn't exist. Disney would rather induct Blue Sky's movies into the Disney canon before they acknowledge Black Cauldron.
They also didn't add Meet the Robinsons ☹️
@@April_cheese_sandwichtrue. But then again, some say the happy chicken dance was a reference to it
I think it used just the classics, not every film.
I recently learned that Disney did the two old Fantasia films to prove that animation was an artistic medium and not just for kids, by experimenting with different styles and stories. It's literally better than what they've come up recently and I believe they should try that sort of stuff again.
....without the racist stuff
I agree, the “Rite of Spring” segment is one of my favorite animated sequences, and is criminally underrated in my opinion.
Both were huge financial failures.
@@bobosmith101lol
@@therealtony2009I prefer authentic racism
I think it would have been better if Magnifico had the power to grant wishes but as a tradeoff, could never grant wishes for himself. Over time he grew envious of all the people whose wishes he granted, giving them good health and love and prosperity and stuff like that, meanwhile he's just the guy who grants wishes, and without that he feels he has nothing. So he cooks up some scheme to manipulate people's wishes for his own gain or something like that.
In one youtube comment you've literally come up with a more compelling plot while it probably took them months to hammer theirs out. You know marketing is in the corner just shooting interesting shit down left and right.
Ooooooo I love it 😍
That is a super compelling idea, I like it. Instead of Asha basically feeling like she’s the villain half the time and Magnifico just flipping on a dime for no reason.
The fact a commentor managed to come up a better idea than whoever made the film itself. 😂😂
@@riotkittyYou can even have one of the main plot points being Asha helping people realize their dreams on their own which makes people realize they don't need King Magnifico to fulfill their wishes which sets off his downward spiral as less people come to him.
It's a shame a celebration of 100 years turned out to be so generic and forgetable, even with all it had going for it. Cool hybrid animation, bringing back true villains, Ariana DeBose, and they still screwed up. Those songs actually felt AI generated. They need to start taking risks and changing up their formula, or they'll be left in the dust. I know some of us want that, but while I dislike the corporation, I still want the studio to do great things again.
It's sad because the only characters I liked from this movie are the main protagonist and that star.
I don't know what to say but... this movie is the first animation disaster I've ever seen since... well... Velma
Not cringe as that abomination, but it's still... another animation disappointment to end a year.
I'm glad It's Time For The and Amazing Digital Circus came out to help save animation (even indie) a bit.
Edit: It's weird that I didn't see this movie yet, but I'm already not feeling like watching it now.
still wanting a villian Disney princess 🙏 that could be revolutionary if they do it right
@Kittycute357whoa i had no idea saberspark changed his @
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I am starting to hate Canada
Either:
1: Magnifico has a point and the plot is about how you need to work to make your wishes come true and the wishing star is dangeorus
or 2: Evil couple who use wishes for something (to fuel magic maybe), Asha as the daughter and Star as a guy who is her love interest. Plot twist: it turns out Asha exists because the couple wished for a child.
Or maybe even they need wish magic to sustain her existence!
Wish magic to sustain Asha's existence sounds so tragic and I love it.
I honestly feel like Dreamworks made a more Disney ish movie with Puss in Boots: the last wish, than actual Disney did with Wish.
1. The characters are from fairytales
2. While the story is not a direct adaptation of the Puss in Boots story, the plot still has the feel of a fairytale
3. Pure evil, irredeemable, over the top, villain that is still so much fun to watch
4. Art style that could fit into a story book
5. All the feels while watching
6. Heck they even have wishing upon a star!!!🌟
Jack is literally one of my top favorite villains of all time!
Bingo. Not to mention they also have a redeemed villain (in the form of Goldilocks and the Three Bears) and an unstoppable force (in the form of Death).
Puss In Boots The Last Wish literally would have won best animated picture if the Del Toro Pinocchio movie wasn't released or didn't count as animation. (I mean, it technically does even though it's stop-motion, although it's very good as well.)
Dreamworks became the very thing they swore to defeat
@@ezelfrancisco1349 At least they still have some interesting films. 2022 was really good for them, even if 2023 wasn't as good, although it's very different than in 2022; nearly every theater in my county has closed...
I think Dreamworks is way better because they're not scared to tackle certain topics like death and abandonment in a way where Disney seems to skirt around those topics. I mean How to train your dragon did things I could never see Disney doing.
The concept of the movie had an evil royal couple and a romance between Asha and the Star who had a male form. An awesome concept I can think of is the King and Queen were both evil and Asha is their daughter so she grew up thinking that stealing wishes is the right thing. Then the Star boy comes and has to help teach her the right way
But that's mansplaining! xD
Whaaaaaaat???
We should have gotten that story!!! That’s actually a really good concept! Disney’s just afraid of taking risks nowadays and just tend to stick to repetitive tropes for the sake of corporate greed. 😕
Oh my God I would've loved it if it was like this. It's so much more than the generic story and a romance would be nice to see again!
Could also have had the opportunity to make the Star non-binary since it was a magical being.... Just sayin'.... But no absolutely NOT any sort of romance is strictly FORBIDDEN BY DISNEY romance??? NAH.
It's so disheartening to see, really, when *Disney* was the studio who produced Princess and the Frog, Lady and the Tramp, Aristocats, Hell, *HERCULES* and those films have, in my personal opinion, some of the sweetest love stories. Also also, Asha being the daughter to villains and overcoming perhaps what she might have been taught in an effort to become a better person could have been supremely interesting as well. So, SO many missed opportunities.
@@DraidensDenI'm non-binary, so I would've loved to contribute to that character's experience/attitude/thought process.
I'd love it if Asha asked if they were a boy or a girl or which pronouns to use to refer to them, and they're like "...what's that?" because how would they know what gender is or what it means to be a boy or a girl? And after Asha tries to explain, in the end they just shrug and say "...I'm a star."
(And it has the added bonus that if parents were to get upset, people could just say "oh so you're saying that *stars* are boys or girls????")
16:50 I've been having this "We were robbed! There was so much potential!" feeling since I saw the Frozen 1 concept art. Seems like Disney is just so afraid of taking a minimal risk that they do their movies boring and predictable.
Ever since the succes of Tangled, Disney seems to be oppsessed with forcing every animated movie they make into the "princess" mold, even though they had much more diverse line up of movies during the nineties to 2000s. Movies like Lion King, Lilo and Stitch, Tarzan or the Goofy movie varied much more in tone, story and setting than the movies we got in the last 10 years. If an idea or a movie doesn't fit the princess mold it gets dropped by Disney.
Imagine if Elsa had been evil omfg I dream about that
@@KingOfGaymesthat would’ve been so much better than the whole “the most powerful kind of love is sisterly love/familial love….” bull
its almost as if people don’t naturally have familial love built into them… disney srsly disappoints me sometimes 😭😭
FINALLY GOD I HATE THAT WE DIDNT GET THE FROZEN 1 CONCEPT ART AND NOW THE FRANCHISE IS JUST A CASH GRAB
Unfortunately, taking a risk on artistic expression just doesn't make financial sense, and Disney went into full corporate money maker mode ages ago.
Disney is no longer a film company. It is a toy company that dishes out $200 million commercials.
Well said. Disney's magic died a long time ago.
@@b1njjj95respectfully disagree for the sole reason that I think encanto hit really hard. other than that you're right.
I'm fairly young and grew up with some of the newer releases, and I remember walking away from or even cringing at some movies, e.g. Raya or Ralph Breaks -my brain- the Internet. if your target audience can see how bad your product is, then stop making crap like this. it really sucks that a studio that used to be so amazing makes me want to vomit now
@@ZippyMcBeans Just because Encanto is an amazing movie, doesn't mean Disney's magic didn't die. It seems like Disney is still somewhat capable of making really good 3D movies, but they are still too focused on cheap live action remakes of their old classics and they simply forgot that they are known for their stunning animation. When Disney stops playing games and starts focusing on making original 3D animated movies that have heart and soul like Trolls Band Together, then I will change my opinion entirely.
@@b1njjj95 valid, Disney's definitely lost its magic. I despise (almost) everything the studio's doing now.
and- I'm trying to sound nice and non-sarcastic when I say this- is trolls band together that good? I've mostly written off the franchise and didn't have super high hopes for TBT, but if it's actually got heart and soul, I'll give it a try :)
@@ZippyMcBeans I really enjoyed it! I saw it on opening night and I was blown away. It takes a lot for a movie to blow me away, but I immediately had to tell my friend after the movie ended how much I enjoyed it. I think it outshines its predecessor Trolls World Tour, because Trolls Band Together focuses on the importance of family and friendship, and it added new layers to Branch's character. The humour has definitely caught up with the audience as well, considering a lot of kids grew up with the Trolls franchise and they are now teens and adults. There were a lot of innuendos and funny adult jokes that had me laughing so hard in the theatre. The writers definitely cracked the code with this one and I personally think it's worth watching. And don't even get me started on the strong voice cast and the catchy songs. 😁
I just feel that Disney is always like: "No no no we don't make damsels in distress and lovestruck girls anymore. We make adorkable and inspiring CEO like female protagonist." Like switching one stereotype for another solves the problem. I don't mind a good love story or a damsel in distress as long as it's well written and it doesn't feel forced, the same way that an adorkable character can work if she isn't tripping all the time yet stumbling into the solutions of their problems.
i feel like we’ve had too many of the “clumsy, adorkable” characters lately. with the old disney princesses I could easily tell them all apart because their personalities were so different and unique from eachother
@@rozmyosotis Not only that, but the art styles, too. Since the rise of 3D in Disney movies all characters look more or less the same. Plus acting more or less the same. Plus having more or less the same story. Plus even having more or less the same songs ...
I agree. I think that Jane from Tarzan is fine example how to write ”adorkable” damsel in distress character right. Jane is not a warrior and can’t even look after herself in a wild. I don’t see her even overly intelligent character. But she is still funny, interesting, charming , emotional and relatable. She is passionate and optimistic artist and I love her for it. That’s what I miss the most. Honest and real characters that don’t have to ”prove” anything. 💔
I think the Mario Movie handled the damsel in distress trope pretty well. I liked how they made Peach into a self sufficient ruler and put Luigi into the "damsel in distress" role.
@@variant7816 you don't think Peach's badassary was a little pandering? I mean, she's a character that was essentially defined by getting rescued by Mario in like 99% of Mario games for over 30 years. she was based on Olive Oil from Popeye.
The Frozen 2 documentary, Into The Unknown on D+, was probably far more revealing of the cracks that were present in WDAS than they likely believed back when it was filmed. It genuinely feels like Chris Buck and the others were so directionless and aimless with this project, coming up with so many ideas that were swiftly rejected by executives, being unable to come up with a strong story and narrative, got far too ambitious with an art style that was well-intentioned *and* being hampered by an unmovable deadline just in time for Disney's 100th anniversary. I wouldn't be surprised if Wish was them throwing together something workable from the mess of loose concepts and scenes that they had come up with but were unable to combine properly just to get *something* out before Disney's release date. It's likely that so much work was thrown out multiple times in trying to find something that gelled. I wonder if test audiences were just as icy?
I was thinking about this exactly. It seems like a frozen 2 disaster all over again, almost eerie in its similarities. The release date being unable to be moved makes this similar too.
Jennifer Lee just isn't cut out to lead Disney animation. They also need to stop forcing release dates upon their creatives.
I don't know. Frozen 2 had a lot of interesting and outright dark ideas. It was a disorganized mess, but not empty. Wish feels completely hollow. Executives stuck their finger in and scooped out whatever substance the creatives put in there.
@@isirlaughsalot2675 or start planning way earlier so artists have enough time.
Wait what documentary is this please tell? 🙂
@@FabulousCookiInto the Unknown: Making Frozen 2
You know what's sad. Shrek did a better job referencing Disney than a Disney Film did.
What’s this reference please ?
@@daniapfel2825All of the different fairy tales and the different jabs at the plots.
That's because Shrek understood its source material. Disney has shown for the last decade that they don't.
Shrek is god-tier, modern disney doesn’t even stand a chance
@@doid4354 Amen to that
You know, Disney could have done the "too nice" trope, where the king is so kind that it is harming the city of Rosas. He fulfills EVERY wish and feels underappreciated. Asha could have been the voice of pragmatism while all the city is in chaos due to their wishes being fulfilled one after the other. This song matchs the vibe. Also, the line 'be careful what you wish for', on the movie's poster would be matching the theme, this way.
This film felt like what Disney believed the fans wanted by crossing off a bunch of boxes on a checklist without putting much effort into any of the tasks on the list.
DISNEY STUDIOS IS DEAD 😒
[×] POC Main Character
[×] Strong Willed Independent Female Protagonist Main Character
[×] Male/white main generic villain
[×] Kingdom filled with different races that come across as flat and out of place for their medieval style fantasy setting.
[×]7 Dwarves filling every race box including the 'lazy white guy trope' being the one to betray them all
[ ] Coherant storyline that properly entertains the target demographic
@@lillianahunter1199
You're missing the point.
@@austinreed7343No I think you are my friend
@@lillianahunter1199
No you are missing the point.
I think making Asha king's daughter would make their dynamic so much more interesting.
A daughter, princess that is supposed to follow her father legacy and powers, idolizing him all of her life, only to find he's not as selfless as she saw him, them having a conflict about what is right and wrong...
Me too but Disney is like “fucking no! Think of the goddamn children!!!”
@@mikaelaedwards9682Yeah
Good idea
I think Disney didn't go for that route because it would look too much like enchantment
Ya but the kid would not be black and that’s the most important part of a woke movie
My mom saw the TV spots for Wish while the channel was playing Raya. Her impression was that they took characters from their other movies and just changed their names and gave them different color palettes. Nothing felt unique. And she's a die-hard loyalist who enjoys the live-action remakes.
Wow she’s right your mother
When even a die hard Disney adult is saying this .... then Disney fucked up big
lowkey when I first saw the Wish protagonist thought she looked a lot like Isabella from Encanto
@@DazzlingNishiI had the same confusion; i figured it was a sequel to Encanto
Look at concept art. They had more planed, something better planed... How the entire story seems to be written by different people by the second half of the movie.
They had even planned to have the queen evil!
Yet nope. Executives and higher ups waltzed in, made their demands, and got their yes people to agree as the movie budget rose with nothing good seen from it.
Then again... Rewrites, reshoot, and redrawing (they wanted 2d, then changed their mind to copying Spiderverse artwork without understanding it.)
And the large budget is made due to the constant changes.
Simple plot changes that could have saved this story:
1. Have Asha already be Magnifico's apprentice and learning magic
2. Give Magnifico limited power to grant wishes which would fuel his self serving choices
3. Magnifico also got his powers from a star long ago and went down the path of containing it as a resource
Even if you left everything the same these simple changes could have at least made the plot and themes make some kind of cohesive sense.
These make a lot of sense. Would've made for a much better story
The 3rd one would have changed everything, I definitely want to see a backstory of Magnifico like this.
Honestly, I don’t think any of that is the most important
The most important thing that this movie fails to do is get us to CARE ABOUT ROSAS. We need to care about Asha’s family, her friends, because that is her whole motivation.
I could ignore a lot of bullshit if I’m at least INVESTED in the story. If I at least CARE what happens next.
I think it would be nice to give Magnifico and Amaya a son who is training to become king and thus the kingdom's wish granter. He could be Asha's love interest.
But nah they tried to make there own shang tsung
At this point, I doubt Disney will ever redeem themselves
Yeah, they’ll be out of business sooner or later.
@@otakumarcusYup. Apple will buy Disney you will see
@@otakumarcusthat’s probably unlikely, they still have theme parks, merchandise, old Disney movies and Disney+ as well as upcoming movies like don’t think they will be out anytime soon
@@otakumarcusYeah
@@otakumarcusI hope so
The original concept had Star as a mischievous shapeshifter who took human form and might have had a relationship with Asha. Which is… honestly kind of interesting.
I would've preferred that WAY more
I WISH that it was like that
Yep.
Instead, what we got is just a Luma knockoff.
That would’ve been really cool! Especially the design with the cape of stardust? OUGH, ten times more interesting
kinda reminds me of the game fantasy life with the chatty butterfly companion
The king could have come from a very poor house, he grew up having to work super hard to stay honest and feed his family. One day he gains his power and upon seeing the village in similar circumstances as his, so he begins to grant everyones wishes. What was happy slowly decends chaos and causes the destruction of the village. King decides though life will be harder, he would limit the amount and the scope of the wishes granted.After meeting to hero of the story he realises he never granted his own wishes, something he can only do by using the evil green magic. He know hpw it could corrupt him but he beileves he can resist it. He succumbs and starts making more and more wishes for him self leading to the city and castle falling to ruin echoing his own early years. Did i just do a back story? DISNEY, HIRE ME!
it's insane that tangled the series had a better soundtrack than disney's 100th year anniversary feature movie
Considering they got pop song writers to do it instead of musical theatre writers, not too surprising.
Dunno why Disney seems to hate musical theatre these days
I knew this soundtrack was in trouble the second I found out that one of the songwriters wrote Justin Beiber's "Sorry" song. Calling that a red flag would be an understatement.
Alan Menken didn’t become an EGOT winner to be known as the ‘Tangled the Series guy’ lmao
The one song I like is This Wish because Ariana DeBose. But TTS slaps so hard
Varian and Cass pulling up to sing the best songs ever made by Disney(Nothing left to lose,ready as ill ever be,crossing the line,waiting in the wings, and let me make you proud)
It's about time we get a brand-new studio founded by ex-disney employees. Seriously, things like this worked wonders in the past and I think it's prime time for it to happen now. They need a hard reboot so bad
Ah you mean like Don Bluth movies and Dreamworks studios
If Don Bluth and DreamWorks did it, why can’t anyone else?
The others mentioned Don Bluth and Dreamworks and I agree. Isn't it funny how Disney pretty much created their own competition via disgruntled workers?
@@rachelfay9582 it can get expensive, artists aren't already paid well, throw in the fact many people rather go for AI than hire an artist for instant content (an impossibility back in the 80s and 90s), and many people are currently on strike so they lost their jobs. throw in RUclips is the biggest, most popular and therefore most viable video hosting website but the algorithm absolutely HATES animators and artists, throw in the video automatically being labelled for kids if it has any shred of vibrant color and the problems that arise when it's not actually for kids...
these past few years has been rough for artists I think...
though yes it'd be nice to see some of these people "go indie." would love to see a big indie scene like the way videgames get.
What’s funny is that every time a major former employee leaves to do their own thing, within a few years Disney suddenly gets massively better. Not long after Don Bluth left, we got Little Mermaid to kickstart their renaissance period. And Dreamworks coming in gave us gems like Emperor’s New Groove and Lilo and Stitch for at least a few years that are a return to form. But now they just seem like they’ve been resting on their laurels for over a decade since Frozen
The concept art for this movie looked AMAZING. I can’t believe they didn’t use any of it. We were ROBBED. Why does Disney hate love stories so much?
Thing is, I thought they CHANGED that perception with Elementals. Because that was a beautiful love story IMO. The only other love story that touched me like that (non-princess related) was Wall-E.
@@angelbaby3342Elemental was wholesome and cheesy which I loved! A feel good cheesy romance c:
@@angelbaby3342 Ha, Wall-E was thrown under the bus as a "stalker" movie; Eva rejected him repeatedly, and when she went inactive he forcibly dragged her around acting like he was being sweet.
@@evage99really? Ive never seen anyone say that, it usually is highly praised
Do they hate it?
It's incredibly sad how the Fanart you've shown here has more visual identity than the actual movie
Well technically it is concept art but yeah sad
Concept art ALWAYS looks better than the finished product. It's easy to make something that looks like a painting when you don't have to make 130,000 of them. (That said, I wouldn't mind if Bob Iger had looked at _Klaus_ and said "OK, I guess we need to make all our movies look like that now.")
Okay so, here's how I'd rewrite it
Asha is the princess of the kingdom, and both the parents are evil. She's much calmer and shier, preferring to stay quiet, and she's always had everything she could possibly want, but she still doesn't feel complete. She finds out the nearby town is struggling, as they used to make wishes on the stars and have lavish feasts thrown by the previous king, and she realizes her parents haven't been granting wishes like they promised. They stole all the wishing stars from the night sky, but only one remains, which she saves from captivity. The plot is her learning to be more outspoken, learning what her true wish is (to make her people happy), and facing her parents alone. She would win, become the new ruler of the kingdom, and help show everyone how to be more self-reliant and how to make their wishes come true themselves. A time skip would happen at the end. The wishing star has returned to the sky, and though people make their wishes, they don't rely on it anymore, and instead rely on themselves to survive. I'm kinda just spitballing but still, ideas.
Better than what Disney did 😂😂
Wow...! RUclips commenters could do these Disney execs' jobs better than they can 😃
@@QueenAvacadours is kinda bad
not to downplay this idea, it's pretty well put and thought, however
isn't that the plot of Super Mario RPG
at least yours made sense than dinsye has to offer.
The concept art posted on Twitter was a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE missed opportunity😫 The human Star (looks similar to Asha's grandfather) and Asha could've been friends, working together to stop the evil King and Queen's threat or something. Asha's grandfather could've been reincarnated to a human Star, the story might be 10x better.
There's noting wrong with references and/or in-jokes. Genie did comedic references throughout Aladdin, but it was well-written since he predicts the future.
A King and Queen villain duo would have been a whole lot of fun.
@@michaelstrong5383 it'd have also been something new, Disney hasn't had a villain couple before
@@michaelstrong5383oh my gosh missed opportunity.
at least the queen didn't turn out to be secretly evil
It just hurts seeing the media you’ve loved in the past getting shafted as you get older. I know that there’s tons of passionate people with lots of skill and talent that can make great movies and video games, but the soulless mass of the corporation just wants to get the product out while ignoring what made them popular in the first place.
Hey well its what happens when you allow people who doesn't know your business to run it, As many have no investment in actually learning to appreciate it.
Technically, Pocahontas is a "princess" if you apply that term broadly to mean "daughter (or daughter-in-law) of a hereditary ruler" regardless of the titles used by the particular culture. This was joked about in Moana. Regardless, Moana and Pocahontas are either princesses or the functional equivalent of princesses depending on how culture-specific you make the term.
With seeing what the concept art for star looked like, I was so SO SORELY disappointed in what star turned out to be. Upon my first reaction to seeing the star, I was like, "Yep, that's going to be the marketable part of the movie."
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If it was up to me I'd make the Star some Eldritch (but good hearted) Ophanim-looking entity from the cosmos lmao
star should have been our homeboy ♡ ♪ ! ?
They dragged a poor Luma into this, didn’t they? *Ding!*
That was my reaction to along with the goat.
Something that Disney could have done was make Asha have a VILLAIN ARC then have a REDEMPTION ARC, near the end of the movie of her realization that she thought all the GOOD DOING was hurting everyone. King Magnífico would try to help her OR make realize that she can’t wish all harm to go away as harm will come full circle, like Yin and Yang “In all there is good there is evil, in all there is evil there is good.” DISNEY COULD HAVE DONE THIS!!!!!
they're way too afraid to go out of their comfort zone to do anything like that, but at the same time they don't realize NOT going out of their comfort zone is what's shooting them in the foot
@@unwllllngly
And the moment they go out of comfort zone, they go back in opposite direction, going full retard in woke and other bullshit
Yes! I've also heard that some people think that asha is magnifico's daughter, I feel like if they had made that true, it would have made a lot more sense considering the story, especially with this idea of making asha evil too! I heard they were originally gonna make the Queen evil and not just the king, but the king still would have been more evil. In my opinion, that would have made the movie a lot more interesting than it turned out to be!(and don't quote me on that because I don't know if it was true or not, just what I've heard)(edit: lol there was a random emoji on the middle of my comment idk where that came from but I got rid of it)
@@tabitharust304They could have another Disney princess with that :D
I saw the potential for a very interesting and nuanced look at what it means to wish and grant wishes. Magnifico starts the movie as a very sympathetic king who’s overprotective of his people’s wishes. Asha is an idealist who thinks no matter the wish they should be able to come true. I was hoping to see Asha have all the wishes be granted, and we see utter chaos break out with some people having conflicting wishes or outright malicious ones. The movie even poses interesting questions it could have asked (what if we change our wish?). Asha and Magnifico would need to team up to fix it and along the way both come to appreciate the other’s perspective. But no, Magnifico just turns cartoonishly, irredeemably evil at the drop of a fucking hat for literally no reason whatsoever.
Actually...with Asha becoming a fairy godmother at the end...doesn't she literally take the Kings place? She picks and chooses whos wish she grants based on her whims and if you take into account how things work in Cinderella, it leaves me to believe that she's probably granting far less wishes than the king was in this film.
To be fair that was never REALLY the conflict? The conflict was that the king was hoarding the wishes. Not returning them back to the people. Asha doesn’t have a problem with the idea that the king isn’t granting every wish, she fully acknowledges that it might be dangerous, but she believes that he shouldn’t keep their wishes hostage. That people should be allowed to pursue their dreams with or without magic.
@@cartoonishidealism582but say he gives a dangerous wish back, that means that person knows what they wanted to do, so that person fully well could carry on pursuing that dangerous wish, for example, if I wanted someone to die, but I had the wish taken and had no knowledge of ever wanting to do that because I gave away that wish to the king, should the king in good faith give that horrible wish back and carry on with the knowledge that there’s a possibility they’ll do the heinous wish on their own?
@@featgorgon3985
But the point was that the king’s view of what wishes were “bad” was incredibly skewed. The wishes he claimed were harmful weren’t really so, he was just selfish and paranoid.
Moral of the story: Fascism works as long as your the right kind of fascist. Hero does the same Thing the King does but it’s fine because she’s the hero.
@@nixxdrayeah, he shouldn’t be allowed to decide what’s good and bad because he’d obviously favor things that benefitted him and didn’t upset the status quo, which was him holding all the power. He’s biased.
Yeah, I sadly knew that Wish was not going to end up being good, simply by the idea of granting wishes without restrain with magic. It worked with Aladin, Ariel and Cindarella because every wish had limits and they were technically not lasting. (like the wealth you see Aladin getting to make his grand "prince" entrance disappears pretty quickly) Every single character has to WORK to get their wish granted somehow and some wishes can't be granted through magic, like love, death and life.
Disney just dumped those important lessons all out the fcking window with Wish.
So, I recently learned the main reason Disney and many other animation houses switched to 3D wasn't strictly money related, but it was.
The main issue is that 2D Animation was fully unionized, and to this day 3D animation is not. So it was easier, and cheaper to go with non-union 3D.... hopefully this changes soon and we get a full Renaissance in both.
Yup. Netflix somehow can make good looking 2D animations. Coz you have Castlevania, Witcher: Nightmare of the Wolf, Beastars, Blood of Zeus etc..
@@karolinakuc4783True but Beastars is actually 3D animated :)
@@karolinakuc4783 We live in a world where Netflix cares more about 2D animation than Disney.
So they just don't want their employees to have the power to ask for rights. That is really fucking sad.
@@volbla Good ol' Disney tradition, hating on worker's unions.
It's kind of funny because I was convinced that the twist was going to be that when everyone starts getting their wishes it was going to be a disaster and the 'villain twist' was instead going to be that the sketchy king was actually right all along. That when you have so much power it becomes extremely important to use it responsibly. Making for a perfect act 2 low point before the main character turns around to fix what they ruined.
It's just weird that in all the promotional material had the villain stating his goals and I could only think, "But... he's right. Like, the alternative would be awful." It just soured the whole idea of watching the film, and when I heard it was played 100% straight, making him the villain 'just because he is alright' by the end, I knew I'd never pay to see it.
That's not what the wishes in the movie are though. In the movie the wishes represent our deepest and innermost desires within the citizens hearts. Their dreams, their goals, their future achievements and their legacies. That's why when the King starts to crush the wishes in the third act, they start to feel an overwhelming grief because they feel empty without them existing. Having the King be right would have totally muddled the message of the film.
Yeah the marketing was completely off kilter for this movie. I got that impression as well, that the king was mostly right for his motives and Asha was in the wrong. I think it would’ve been interesting if perhaps they would’ve come to an understanding at the end of the movie instead of the king going down rather pathetically. Because from what I’ve heard from the development, technically his motives should’ve been explained better, that his whole village was ransacked and destroyed by raiders, so he desires to create a place where everyone is safe and happy. And that is why he is hesitant to grant what appear to be vague or bad wishes, since he would have the life experience seeing that not all dreams or wishes are good.
@@TECfan1yeah but people can have deep wishes to have harm or misfortune to come to someone, should the king grant wishes even if those wishes someone made to him were wishes that would’ve caused pain and suffering on someone they don’t like? It’s perfectly understandable why the king doesn’t grant every wish, because if he did that there’d be chaos and suffering, while I think his motives for keeping the star for himself and trying to prevent Asha from having powers like his aren’t good, the fact he didn’t grant everyone’s wish to begin with is 100% valid
That would mean the girl was wrong and can’t have that….
Heard that in a RUclips video, that the King was right and how weird it is, that Disney is preaching this weird message, how all wishes should become true, no matter what. We have movies where it is explained why not everyone should get what they want. Bruce The Almighty is a good example. It would have been better if they had gone by the plot you described, because then Asha would have had the possibility to learn and the younger viewers would be able to understand properly, why sometimes, not all wishes can become true. Be careful what you wish for.
I think the thing that could have saved the ENTIRE movie is, if they would have just shown a flashback scene of the king fulfilling a nice seeming wish, but it ending up killing many. Especially one sounding similarly to the one the Grandfather wished for. That way, we had a motivation for the villain, had actual stakes as we know what COULD happen, and maybe in the end him not even being bad but just protective. As now, the villain feels like he has no motivation, the plot has no substance, and stuff just happens because it needs to. The movie feels flat
Good idea, have it that one of those dying was his Queen, grief and pain can make people really change and even go off the rails completely, some can come back from it, others fall into the depths of grief and never return.
Make the King the 2nd type, he can never accept wishes being granted except in rear cases because of his pain and fear.
They don't even need to flashback to this. They could have shown and not told it SOOO well. Asha asks, "What is so unsafe about this wish?" And him latching onto the bubble, holding it close and him stumbling over his words. Showing fear in his eyes, while you hear a heartbeat speeding up in the background. Tears bud at the corner of his eyes, and Asha speaks again to break him out of it.
How about making the king a king through a wish that killed his best friend but gave him his power? You get
* Man who makes a wish that ends badly
* Backstory that clearly explains why the king would be cautious around wishes
* A reason for the knowledge that "evil magic" can control you
Love this idea! I think we also needed bigger stakes for a wish being destroyed, like the wisher falling into a coma, becoming severely ill, or completely losing the will do to anything. Instead of, yknow, just feeling sad briefly.
Or king witnessed years ago as prince at least once how fulfilled wish hurt one who made wish and/or others, and together with his causious nature makes him over-careful? Especially if he has self-esteem issues and think nobody likes him if he isn’t perfect?
It’d be interesting to see Asha steal a book and learn how to become a sorcerer herself. She could have a training montage and song (like Mulan) and even accidentally stumble across dark magic and struggle with feeling possessed by its powers. Eventually she’d learn how to handle her magic with the help of her friends (we have seven friends, we don’t need the star and goat too) and beat the king with her magic and community helping her.
If Wish was a classical 2D animation, that would be a huge improvement in celebrating their past, especially if it slowly transitioned to the modern format through the duration. It would show growth and charm of the world, and let it breathe in creativity.
The 3D was chosen to have more camera movement
god the main girl would've looked so pretty in 2d!!!! it'd give them a chance to make her look so much more different from how 3d Disney movies have been doing female main characters
I would have thought for Disney’s 100th film, they would have done a 2D biopic of Walt Disney; would’ve made a great excuse to use Mickey Mouse as a protagonist.
Now that sounds like a great idea for a movie. I'm surprised Disney hasn't made something like that yet.
@@michaelstrong5383Disney is way too creatively disinclined to even think of something like that now
Lmao imagine Mickey mouse stealing ideas , chainsmoking war profiteering and hating jews they ain't gonna do anything about old Walt he is not PC and profitable
@@i.hate.swedish.ISRAELUBERALLES Walt Disney did not hate Jews. You can kind of make an argument with the whole "stealing ideas" topic if you consider almost all of Disney's works up to a point to be adaptations of already existing works. And yes, he was an avid smoker. But he was not antisemitic, this was already debunked.
@@i.hate.swedish.ISRAELUBERALLESnot to mention advocating for b9mbers and hatong the nazis!
I could easily see Saber's idea for the movie work. Asha, as the princess of the king and queen is tasked at finding someone who will have their wish granted. She meets sabino (the grandfather) and chooses him to be the candidate. However the king and queen decide his wish is too dangerous as it could overthrow the power they have over the kingdom. Asha then goes on the quest to make his wish come true against her parents back.
Boom, a much more interesting story than what we got.
You could even add that the king and queen genuinely love Asha, but their lust to keep their power over the people ultimately turns their only child against them. We could also have Asha realizing that while she loves her parents, they are terrible people and can't be allowed to take advantage of innocent people anymore.
Then how would this work if Sabino is no longer her grandfather l? How does this make a lot of sense?
@@josephmonasky9495 Well, I had an idea where Sabino is the Wishing Star who sent his only son Magnifico to Earth to grant humanity's wishes before Magnifico became completely disillusioned by humanity and wishes before just lusting after power.
@@josephmonasky9495
Cause she been tasked to grant one wish? And she choose this old man cuz idk maybe he dying and its his dying wish?
Duh, not even hard to make sense
@@asain3586 but is Sabino still Asha's grandfather in this version?
Her design actually falls flat, it’s just another rapunzel, Elsa body type, face type. When you see her concept designs you’ll understand we could’ve had something new!! And actually diverse and appealing!! Corporate shmucks really do ruin any creativity these artists have….
It’s the fact Enchanted did a better job with easter eggs without having them be way too much, AND having an amazing original storyline, EVEN WITH CLASSIC DISNEY TROPES WRITTEN INTO THE SCRIPT LIKE THE POISON APPLE AND GISELLE.
And good musical numbers! Oh gawd I loved Enchanted. I still randomly hum the tune to How Do You Know?
I LOVE Enchanted!
YESSSS!!! ❤
"Enchanted" is perhaps the biggest piece of crap, that has ever been made by Disney.
It is a completely vile and disgusting story with barely any redeeming qualities.
@@Furienna To each their own 🤣 I liked that it was a flip on the classic fairytale trope.
Wish tried so hard to stick to the “classic Disney formula” (a quirky female protagonist, a funny animal sidekick, an evil villain with a musical number, etc.) that it lacks its own identity.
It doesn’t do anything spectacular or daring compared to Disney's other works. It just kinda… exists.
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@@p-__ Begone, bot
@@bezierballad8852 no
@@bezierballad8852seriously
Yet one of the traditional Disney ingredients is missing: romace.
I work at a movie theater, time to time I get to hear what the customers think of the movie they watched. Many customers have told me how disappointed they were with Wish, they've even told me that Trolls was better. 💀
Needless to say, I'll always enjoy their feedback.
Lmao thank you for the laugh imagine being beaten by the movie infamous for the best one liner “Singing killed my grandma okay?!”
@@LouriiiYeah funny 🤣🤣🤣
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if my family thinks the new Trolls is better than Wish, especially since we grew up during N*SYNC’s popularity. But I’ll still give both and Migration a chance. Anything I’m missing?
@@Louriii Tbf, Trolls had a decent plot and a good plot twist villain with a decent motive
@I loved Wish. I want to see Migration.
I feel like this plot synopses is what I imagine it would be like to be an animation intern or new director/writer at Disney:
"I got the job! I'm going to work for the greatest animation studio of all time! I can't wait to make my masterpiece that I've planned for half my life!"
"Cool idea. Edit this to get past the Chinese censors, use this soulless recycled animation that we've had for the past decade, and add more nostalgia bait. We're using this script rewrite that I ran through ChatGPT while I was on a herculean amount of coke last night. Also, add some merch fodder so I can make my bonus this year."
"...What?..."
"It's the 100th anniversary movie. Those smooth brained, mouse-eared stans will simp for it anyway. Seriously. We could animate a pile of dog vomit, have it scream racial slurs with Gilbert Gottfried's resurrected AI voice, and they'd still buy it."
Too true
Magnifico ended up being the perfect metaphor for Disney itself
not all wishes get to come true…
You know it’s bad when the short before the movie does a better job at paying homage to the legacy of Disney (And generally being good), more than the movie itself
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Wait what short? It didn't air in my theater
@@JeskidoYTyea mine didn’t have a short either
These bots are WILD
@@JeskidoYTthey mean once upon a studio though it never aired in front of Wish because it instead came out in October
Fun fact: I work at a grocery store and the only way I knew this movie existed, was because the characters were on the stickers on the bananas. That was the only marketing I remember
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LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I guess they were hoping the stickers would make the movie more... a-peel-ing.
Yea never heard of the movie before Saber’s video on it. Leo by Adam Sandler looks way better to watch.
I didnt even see those. So I didnt know this movie existed.
Who WANTS Saber to make a 'What's RUINING Disney/Pixar?'
At this point I feel like Disney needs a hard hit to remember what actually made them become the massive empire today, because a lot of their films lately have been suffering so hard, there isn't any magic left in them
Short video. D.I.E mandates and spineless corpos whose only motivation is seeing numbers go up on a chart
Their focusing too much on the merch, Disney world, etc that they forgot what makes a good game. The same thing is currently happening with Pokémon.
they're detached. So focused on pushing out products that they are overworking while underpaying their staff for faster production not really thinking about if it clashes with another story or with itself. They stopped trying because they know that as long as the animation is somewhat decent kids will watch it and want all their products. They thought of the kids first and their Disney adults last, which is why the best Disney adults get out of this are the many references of past stories and movies they made. To many it feels like a backhanded compliment reminding people that Disney knows they can do great but just doesn't care.
Honestly, if this ship doesn't turn around soon, it could become a "what RUINED Disney" and I can see this exact scenario happening sadly.
Pixar’s fine. Of their recent films only Lightyear was actually bad. Disney however has only made ONE movie since Moana in 2016 that wasn’t mediocre, that being Encanto.
How I would see the story better: Kingdom has a years long belief that once a month, a star will shine brighter than the moon and if you wish to it by singing the traditional melody with your wish as the words, the wish will be granted. One day however, the star lost its light and stopped giving wishes. The Kingdom fell into a chaos of sadness and broken wishes until a young skilled sorcerer came and started granting wishes of the people in need. He also saved a very sick young woman; she fell inlove with her savior and later they got married. After some time he was given the title King and was beloved by all. Once he became the King, the melody of wishes once singed commonly became forgotten to all, except for one family, who happened to still remember the melody of wishes. Asha and her grandpa were living in a small house in the capital of the Kingdom of wishes. Grandpa wanted the melody not to be forgotten, so he told Asha to ask the King to Grant his wish for the song to be always remembered. Asha went and asked the King, but to her surprise, the King refused to grant the wish for it being not good for the Kingdom. Suspicious, Asha followed the King throught the halls of the wish tower in secret, until they were in a room full of unfulfilled wishes. Asha was shocked and confused, so realising that she saw something that was not supposed to be seen, Asha went back home scared and dissapointed. She was sad to tell her grandpa the bad news, but to her surprise, the grandpa had no idea what wish she was even talking about. Utterly confused, she couldn't sleep that night and went out for a walk. She walked a long time until she was at the top of the mountain. Only then did she realise that her silly little goat was following her so she sat down and gently hugged him while gazing at the sky full of stars. Asha remembered the tale of Melody of wishes and the star her grandpa used to always tell her so she started singing the melody of wishes' melody. After a while she stopped singing and whispered, "Oh dear star of wishes, please shine bright like you used to before. Shine like you used to when granting our wishes". She waited for a while, then laughed lightly at her own foolishness and was just about to turn around, when something very bright and shiny in the sky caught her attention.
How did saberspark write a more compelling story in 5 minutes that Disney couldn’t do in 3 years of development??
As a world-builder i've thought of better plots and storiest than Disney by accident when im about to go to bed
No restrictions or mandates from corporate above.
I have a buncha half baked WIPs still bouncing around in my computer that have a better premise than what Wish gave us. And that’s not tooting my own horn either, I’m pretty critical of my work.
@@LoneSilverW0lf Whats WIP again?
"We've discussed your pitch document Saberspark. It is a really fantastic pitch. We're going to make some revisions to align it better with our audiences and the goals of our stakeholders."
That plus tons of compromises during development is why.
I will never not be ok that we didn’t get Magnifico’s full backstory. It seemed like such a tragic past - his village burned down (by who?), he lost his entire family, and fled to rebuild a Kingdom where he could keep people safe from the same fate with his own two hands. Hmm, doesn’t sound like a bad guy to me. Maybe expand upon it a little Disney? 🙄
Yeah I found it hard to really be upset with him esp after he used the *spoiler* with no sign of redemption. Kinda mad how they handled him in the end and truly see him as a victim
Thank you 🙏 yes! The biggest problem was them cutting so much from the early screening showing the progression of magnefico as he was transcending to villain status
They probably have a sequel planned that would be 100% more popular than Wish. A story about how a villain was born. Just like Magnificent.
Wish 2: Rise of Magnifico or "Magnifico" a streaming mini-series? why give what you want now when they can turn this into a tepid media franchise? And the public will gobble it all up anyway…
I think once upon a time did it better with rumple with him being a really likable antivillain. God carlyle owns that. And he is also like having a kud adaption agency , whuch fitsxwithin his backstory, makes sense, of aman ivercome by corruption odf dark dealy that also is very motherly,but not always good.
Do you feel that concept art seems to did better job than movie itself in case of Disney.
I do. We were supposed to get a starboy, possible romance and evil couple. Sounds way more interesting and compelling and I feel like it could create more emotional moments.
@@caelis_909i know the star guy look so great! Too the potential of the evil couple damn... i could rly see them as a powercouple but really romantic
@@redmaster3542and the evil power couple could've been NEW. most of our villains were either single or widows, and if it was a duo it was usually the mastermind and the goon(s). all we got is the Queen and King of Hearts but again they're not exactly equals? the king felt more like her goon than her husband.
@@caelis_909that would’ve been ADORABLE
As a visual dev student I was excited to see what ideas would be used judging from the vis dev art I saw a while back but I’m sad to see that wasn’t the case with the final product of the movie 😢
13:23 im sorry but the schafrillas reference had me laughing 😭 saber is an amazing youtuber
Easy way to rewrite the movie.
Asha, in leu of the king and queen being unable to conceive a child, is taken on as Magnifico’s apprentice. He teaches her how he does magic, about the fact he has to contemplate every wish and what it could cause to make sure the kingdom stays safe. That wishes being granted wildly could cause destruction and societal collapse. His system is necessary to keep his people safe, and if they remembered they’d asked for a wish and didn’t have it granted, it could breed selfishness and resentment of their peers and their king. It’s a necessary evil, one he feels great remorse in having to facilitate, but it’s for everyone’s own good.
Asha loves learning. She’s a scholar, a forever student, and earned her place as the king’s apprentice through academics and tests of skill. But in her studies with Magnifico, she gets too curious, to adventurous, and finds the Star Boy locked up. He tells her that he is Magnifico’s real source of power, that his magic is stolen and it’s generosity used to prop up a false idol who’s never earned a single thing on his own. That his only real accomplishment was learning how to steal and use others, and that his wife, delighted by the life of luxury his bought them, hid the secret and keeps Star Boy locked away. And Star Boy also tells Asha that without the ability to renew his magic at a sacred wishing well, his magic will fade and he’ll disappear entirely. That’s the reason Magnifico only grants one wish a month. Because the magic is dwindling due to his greed.
So Asha frees him and helps Star Boy get to the wishing well, avoiding Magnifico’s army, which is lead by the Queen. Asha is sold out by her friend and almost gets captured, but her friends (who were all trying to get wishes of their own granted) save her. They get to the wishing well, Star Boy renews his magic, and he becomes king.
That would have been a lot more interesting.
This!
Honestly just that First paragraph about wildly granting wishes needed to be in the movie, and show in the movie. Like seven deadly sin wishes: greed, envy and lust being the easiest examples. But no, the implication in the movie is that everyone's wish is pure and noble and he is evil for not granting every single one.
Mmm that’s less fun
Y’know what Disney should be advertising? Twisted Wonderland. It’s literally the *only* good and original Disney thing as of recently
They announced a twisted wonderland anime a couple years ago and haven't given any further information since.. Hopefully if it does happen and makes its way to more western disney fans then it could finally squash the "villain anime boy dating sim" allegations lol
@@NaokoMarie there’s a game and it’s actually super easy to play. And not a dating game, lol.
God my friends are feral about that game.
Nahh, nahh you're absolutely right
Yes! My thoughts exactly!
As I saw that picture of both Asha's parents being evil I was shocked of why that wasn't the case, Disney please put yourself together it's your 100 anniversary it should had been more special and more mind/hard work putted through
Wait...King Magnifico and Queen Amaya were originally going to be Asha's parents???
Or am I thinking of something else?
@@DeadmanInc336 uh no i think Saber just suggested that they should have been. But they were both originally supposed to be evil according to him.
@@fartinfpooping8801 ah, I see. It wouldn't have been a bad idea either since in the early concept art, they have the same skin pigmentation as Asha and Queen Amaya has the same hair color as Asha.
@@DeadmanInc336 agreed.
Reason why? Politics and executives.
Women can't be evil so the evil queen had to be removed. The king had to be changed for instant villainy because they needed an excuse for her to revolt...
Also everyone hears the story and comes up with a bunch of ideas much better than this mess of a story.
Also not very magical... How does Aladdin do magic better than this movie with only six wishes?
A!so anyone who says people gave up wishes prevented the star from wishing... That is just an excuse just like how Geni had only six wishes made when they could habe given it to the royal family to get six more wishes.
I’ll always be mad about the changes made to this movie, especially considering that the villains were originally meant to be the king and queen as a power couple and the star was supposed to be a humanoid love interest for Asha
imagine if King Magnifico was from another kingdom that crumbled due to his father (the king of that time) granting a dangerous wish?
And Magnifico (as the young prince) had to stand up and rebuild his kingdom?
What if he once made a wish to the star to save his people but didn't come true and that's why he hates the star?
And the the plot twist is that his wish was indeed granted! The star gave him strength and intelligence to rebuild the kingdom himself!
But King Magnifico didn't know! And became a dictator, hating to grant wishes because it made him fearful for the safety of his new Kingdom, with time he also became arrogant
And make the queen evil so they could sing a duet song similar to Only Human from Death Note the Musical!
Actually, that is actually a good idea. I haven't watched Wish but upon hearing that the plot of the movie was bland when it comes to storytelling, i think your idea would've been more awesome and more complex and simple
THIS!!!! I LOVE THIS IDEA, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIS BACKSTORY!!!
Yeah smart
@@swirlshineGood deserved even
This is a genuinely great idea.
There's a deleted opening for Coco, where some of the elements of Día de los Muertos are explained through song, but the song was cut because test audiences were having trouble remembering the exposition when it was being given through song, which is exactly what Wish does.
Wish's plot isn't complicated (Man takes people's wishes and makes them forget they ever had those wishes, only granting a tiny amount of wishes while keeping the populace complacent and unambitious, girl wants to give people their wishes back so they can remember them and pursue them without magic), but the way it was told made it complicated. On paper, Coco's rules were more complicated, but the storytelling made it easy to follow.
Interesting point!!
That's something I realized when I watched the movie. Such a simple concept but the way they were trying to explain it got me really confused. The songs felt so out of place and could've been replaced with simple dialogue.
oh my god I didn't even think about making Asha Magnifico's daughter!! the dynamic between them would've been similar to disney's villain/ princess dynamic but him being her *actual* parent would've been a breath of fresh air 😭
My favorite part is how the tagline of the movie is "Be careful what you wish for" But the movie literally says that everything you wish for is fine and don't worry about it.
Wish feels like the first draft of a potentially really good story.
It seemed so unfinished in terms of the story. I really liked Sabers idea that Asha has some familial relationships with the villains, and that genuinely seems like something they probably should have landed on if they hadn’t literally stopped at draft 1.
My thoughts exactly.
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The downfall of Walt Disney Animation Studios is so exceptionally sad because they were THE pioneers of animated Cinema.
Regardless of what one thinks of Walt Disney or their early films, no one can deny his ambition and determination is what made films like Snow White and Fantasia a reality, and by extension their subsequent influence on cinema and culture. He no doubt cherished the profits that came along with his successes, but he often used those profits to invest on more ambitious ideas, be it a bigger animation studio, experimental movie experiences, a cartoon themed amusement park, or a City built entirely out of experimental technologies.
The issue with the current CEO's are that they have no ambition, they only want to maximize their profits for the sake of it. They don't care about evolving the studio, innovating the world of entertainment, or leaving an awe-inspiring legacy. They only care about increasing their already ridiculous bank account numbers.
I hope the recent streak of box office bombs and bad publicity (especially from the strikes) starts humbling them, and they start letting more artists express themselves and flourish.
Ehhh, they're probably gonna die around 2030.
@@ExtremeWreckridiculous notion, they're in a bad spot, but they're in no way gonna die from this
@@KNadoliI think “die” is a bit of a loaded term.
Financially, Disney will most certainly be around for a long while, but they’re bankrupt of real quality content and their crowning achievements will only continue to grow older. The old Disney is dead and buried, what’s left is just corporate greed puppeteering the husk of an amazing studio/company
@@elnicko4189 Exactly. They'll be financially well for a long time, but their heart & soul will not be around for much longer. Still, at least better than WowNow, which likely will die not just in heart & soul, but ALSO financially.
Disney had some rough periods through those times as well. This is one of those rough spots but Disney always reinvents itself. You are right though and I think that's the biggest issue with today's Disney. There's no passion there anymore. It's all sequels and reboots that really just come down to laziness. Disney used to be about pushing boundaries, now it's all about playing it safe. Nostalgia sells and that's what Disney's focus is right now. I'm really hoping people stop going to see the live action remakes of the animated classics. I think Beauty and the Beast was the last one I watched.
Why didn't they do a 'Fantasia 2024' for the 100 thing? That would have been perfect! They could have filled it with tons of lovely music and the whole POINT is the beautiful animation being mixed with the lovely classical music!
But the Fantasia movies were never blockbusters and especially the first one was a big financial disappointment.
@@Furienna Okay. And? Wish was a terrible choice through and through, especially as a celebration movie. You gonna make a celebration movie, may as well make a movie where the whole point is beautiful animation.
"Wish" happened to do well or really well in countries as diverse as France, Spain, United Kingdom, South Korea, Japan, Australia, Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay.
You have to look outside your North American box sometimes before you call something a "terrible choice"...
yeah and? If your whole argument is how much $$$ Wish made it still bombed overall when you consider the entire international box office. who cares if it did well in a few countries if money is the only factor of success you care about
@@Furienna I'm not using finances as a metric here. I fully expect that a 'Fantasia 2024' wouldn't do well. But that's the thing; it's not the point. It's meant to celebrate 100 years of beautiful animation. It's hard to not look at something like the Sorcerers Apprentice and not understand just how beautiful it is. Heck, even that silly little opening skit where they had the line was still very well animated. It's hard to look at Fantasia and *not* feel like it's Disney. But what did we get instead? A lazy CGI movie with a terrible script, full of pointless references, and just not very good. Had they just taken their most popular songs and sections, edited them together, and released it on Disney+ it would have been a *much* better celebration than freaking Wish was.
Obviously it's not impossible for a 17 year old to have a 100 year old grandpa but it probably would have made more sense to make him the great grandpa.
I was thinking this, too. Suuuper weird age gap.
Both my grandfathers were dead before my parents had kids.
But that would have been the exact age gap between me and my paternal grandfather.
Man Sabo Sabino must have gotten around in his old age
Good for him
@@cartoonishidealism582 Both my grandfathers were in their 40s when they had kids.
Then my father was 41 years old when I was born, so yeah...
It’s a fantasy film, who cares if he is 100 or 10000?
It’s an obvious reference to the anniversary, that’s all
Can you imagine if the 100 year celebration was a kindom hearts movie. Thatd be sick as hell
I thought of that too
That would’ve been awesome!
God I really wish it was :”)
That would have been great... about a 10 years ago. Nowadays, I am afraid that they'll ruin that game series (not that it is convoluted already.)
If they hire people, who genuinely have respect for the series and won't place their own views on the story/characters, then it would be good.
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The idea of the star appearing as a represention of a younger version of Asha's grandfather is so interesting. And the star absolutely should have been able to shapeshift, that makes so much sense for the literal embodiment of a person's wishes. But OF COURSE they chose to forego all of that for a cute but bland, plush-ready sidekick.
Gotta get those dollar signs somehow
I predict that the toys for this movie will end up being written off by their manufacturers as unsellable inventory and wind up at Dollar Tree. Just like Lightyear toys.
Your idea IS better than what they gave, but if Disney puts out another 'my family is the REAL villain' 'My parents not apologizing is the REAL villain' 'My family legacy is holding me back and I need to be set free' type movie I will burst into flames. It went from every Disney parent is deceased to every Disney parent is evil and/ or doesn't understand their kids and is therefore a villain to be defeated. Can we get an Incredibles revival arc? Where sometimes your family has your back and you wear color coordinated outfits while punching psychos in the face together please?
I hadn't thought of that; precious few Disney movies tout family as being truly important. That make me sad. Well, more sad.
For sure. Disney parents lately are all either jerks or dead. Wish and Encanto were very welcome exceptions to that.
@@FunFilmFare While Mirabels parents werent jerks, im not sure they were helpful either. I only watched it once but from what i remember her mom was the toxic positive mom stereotype and i dont remember her dad at all.
@Koranthus Mirabels parents were both wonderful. It was abuela who had a toxic influence on all of them. The most they were truly guilt of was overlooking how much abuelas pressure was hurting them inside, and that was hard to see because nobody expressed it openly
I remember a comment under a trailer saying that they hoped the plot would be that the King was completely reasonable, and that the MC would unleash chaos by trying to grant every single wish possible, showing that every random desire shouldn't be granted.
Yeah it would be a nice twist to see the villain have strong, understandable motives. But perhaps go too far to upkeep them
@@derekgunnels4856 I mean, yes. But what I was saying was that, basically, the inexperienced MC would be misunderstanding why some wishes _shouldn't_ be granted. That she would be assuming the king was a jerk for not granting everything asked of him. A story about how teens/kids think they know more than they really do.
Maybe there could be a character who is her friend, influencing her to do this so they can get power to do bad stuff, so there's still a villain.
@@bluelfsumaWouldn’t even need to be bad stuff. It could just be that the friend is too selfish to stop. Wants all their wishes granted, heedless of the cost.
@@cybertramon0012 Honestly, I just added the last bit because people are sick of there being no villains in lotsa Disney films, lately.
I think the concept works better without some outside influence, and it's all the failings of the protagonist to understand, and the mentor/antagonist to explain well.
There's so much I wish we had from this film
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i went to the cinema with my mate. At the end of the movie there was a debate within all the people that was in the cinema. Was curious, we we all talking to each other about it. We all kinda thought the same, that Asha was the villian, selfish and only cared about her relative's wishes and nothing else. I mean when she went to "free" the wishes for the first time, she just went directly for her relative's ones. We all agreed that we felt bad for Magnifico, that before the book possessed him, he was kinda right, yeah a bit narcissist and so, but he let the people live there for free, everyone mostly looked happy, he did all for them, he was facing trauma. And they just questioned him, they didn't cared about Rosas as he did, only about wishes. Then the queen... she knew the book possessed him and at the end of the movie she didn't ehen felt bad for the man she "loves" and juat throwed him in the dungeon. While Asha, the selfish one got everything she wanted and more. And sge learned absolutely nothing. She is the sale from start to finish, no change at all.
Oh bull, they only seemed happy because King Magnifico had lobotomized them and destroyed their personalities so he could stay in power.
Give me one example of when he cared about Rosas and not only about himself.
Y'know what would have been a better celebration? Going back to the original animation style, drawings and paintings as a call back to their roots
Literally their 100th anniversary to go all out and they made it so unbelievably safe...
Now you mention it, this would have been the PERFECT time to go back to tradition medium! But Disney is a shell of what it was, so I am not surprised they took the route they did.
I had a similar thought watching this. That - or starting the movie as 2D animation, and at some point the king grants a wish ("I wish life was more complete" or something) -- and the movie shifts into full 3D. Pulling off a Wizard of Oz - black and white to full colour shift. Highlighting where they started and now where they have ended up.
tie it to the trope that what you wish for and what you get aren't always the same thing...
With how cost-benefit WDAS has become?
I think the big difference between now and decades ago, is that back then Executives saw themselves as salesmen, they ordered a product, gave some basic guidelines, and then sold the product when it was finished.
Nowadays Executives are different, they think they are the product (that's not really what I mean, but it's the best way I can explain it): and are micromanaging every step of the process.
That's the simplest answer i can come up with for why everything seems so dead-eyed and soulless these days.
Also, shareholders. They’re way more beholden to appeasing them and trying to get every bit of profit from them
You're not far off the truth. The attitude of Disney executives hasn't changed, the main difference now is that they actually don't have anything to offer the creative side of their business but are still acting like they do.
Part of the reason Disney got to its heights is through executives and leaders who were either artists themselves or who understood artistic creation and how it works.
The current suits think they're like that when in reality all they can do is parrot the opinions and fashionable views of their peers.
@@Eviscerator03define peers.
@@robinsordahl8947use a dictionary.
I watched a documentary ages back about how, at the peak of his terminator fame, we nearly got a dark remake of Planet of the Apes with Arnold Schwarzenegger playing a scientist who gets sent into the past to find a cure for a genetic plague that’s devastating humanity, and he ends up leading the humans in a war against a rival faction of murderous intelligent apes. The script was written by Terry Hayes who wrote Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior and it was gong to be directed by Philip Noyce (Dead Calm, Patriot Games, Clear and Present Danger etc). It sounds like a goddamned dream right?
HOWEVER fox studio executive Dylan Sellers wanted the film to be a comedy. He pitched the idea that when Arnie goes to the past, he finds humans and apes who are trying to play baseball, but they’re missing one key element, like they don’t have a pitcher or something. Arnies character knows what they’re missing and he teaches them and then they all play baseball. When Terry Hayes hated the idea and when he handed in his violent science fiction script, without any baseball in it, Dylan was enraged and fired Hayes, causing Noyce to quit, and the project was over.
Imagine that, we nearly got a dark science fiction action movie, written by the writer of The Road Warrior, staring Arnie at his peak, murdering ape-men in a Primal-esque setting. It was written and ready to go, but it was all sunk because one talentless moron desperately wanted to see cavemen and monkeys playing baseball. I honestly wish I could step into another timeline where Dylan Sellers didn’t exist just so I could watch that film.
I get the sense that this movie had a lot of developmental/production issues, especially when you look at the concept art. The initial pitch featured a magical boy as the star, and an evil King AND Queen, but it somehow turned into this. But the thing is, the artwork featuring those elements have character designs pretty much identical to the ones in the movie. So I’m convinced these changes were made pretty last minute by the marketing department.
In terms of Asha being the daughter of the King instead, in the concept art he has a much darker skin tone. So I wonder if maybe that was again part of the initial development.
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The initial concepts seem so interesting. It’s a real shame we couldn’t see the movie with those ideas :(
i keep seeing this “initial pitch” with the star boy and evil royal couple being brought up, how did people find this out? i’d like to see more on this but i’ve yet to find a related article/piece of art
We could've had an evil couple
That's not developmental or production issues, that's just how it works. You test things out in development, you get notes, and you change things. Same with production. Disney showcases the show to other filmmakers and test audiences, they give feedback, and they make adjustments. I'm not 100% sure what happened to Star as a human, but that could have been production or potentially a conflict of interest between what the studio wants and what corporate wants. Sometimes the studio has to adjust based on what corporate wants, too.
The schaffrillas comment got me 🤣 13:13
In the newer original movies in the animation and storytelling I can see the creativity from the people behind it and the corporate control holding it back. it’s like muffled screams.
I had that with Elemental, that movie had SO MUCH creativity to work with but they didn't apply it at all. Also it was so weird and dumb how Ember was so non-confronting with Wade for actually closing her dad's shop. For someone with anger issues she was so mild about it. And I don't know who is creating this trend behind the scenes, but they made that entire city for barely any interaction in it. Also the love scenes were so quick and random. They randomly fell in love in that balloon? The parents had to leave their town? It was so vague, like can't they build a new house? There was no real reason for them to have to leave everything and go to another city. The hate water and fire have for each other wasn't even really applied. And they say "Element can't mix" but then Clod falls in love with Ember, and that Cloud lady after the Basketball match says "you guys are a cute couple" like.. keep it consistent, what is it?! Ugh.. I'm just so tired of Disney not giving character development, not showing true emotions and really toning everything down and being so counter productive with the stories.
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I feel like its so obvious she went meant to be the daughter/princess in the story. It makes much more sense and wayyy better stakes. But considering how corporate this movie ended up being, I bet you they told the filmakers that you cant have a movie where the child rebels against a parent because people wouldnt like the message that kids should act out against their parents. Sounds super dumb and it is, but its like a weirdly common complaints adults make about kids media.
That makes a lot of sense actually. That could very well have been the reason they decided against such an idea! Absolutely agree that her being related to the king would be a much better choice, though!
Disney tried to die on the hill of anti-Parental Rights Act in Florida. They definitely don’t care about parents not liking their messages anymore. They literally are losing millions because of it.
I really like this perspective, and honestly with kids these days? I get it
I remember reading that was a big complaint back in the day with The Little Mermaid, with Ariel rebelling against her dad’s advice.
They allowed the kid rebelling against parents for Turning Red.
I'm only 22 but it's crazy to think I MIGHT see Disney close their animation studio in my lifetime
At the rate they purposefully keep slashing their house with a chainsaw they’ll eventually bring it down. They’re doing this to themselves.
I’m only 21 and feel like Disney will crash within the decade if there’s not another renaissance.
Their house almost collapsed in the 80s, but the Little Mermaid and the renaissance that followed is what saved them. And even when they had a mid period in the 00s, they still picked back up steam by the 10s.
Disney is going through another mid period, and need to readjust and let their creatives work (Wish had so many ideas and potential squandered due to executive meddling [I wouldn’t even blame the release date if they just let the creatives make the movie in the time allotted to them without meddling/pushback]) if they don’t want another ‘collapsing house’ situation.
This should give you some insight into how much money Disney has. They can afford to not only spend, but LOSE hundreds of millions of dollars (surpassing a billion) and still keep their theme parks open, build new ones, and green light more movies with budgets that go beyond what you and most of your town will collectively earn in a lifetime. EACH.
No, AI will make animation movies very cheap
The concept of sacrificing the memory of your wish for a chance to have it granted, without remembering making the wish itself, could actually work and be pretty uplifting or really fucking dark, depending on how it's implemented. If you still remember why you needed to make the wish, but only forget the act of meeting the king and actually making it, then the wish coming true would feel like a result of your hard work or luck smiling upon you, leaving you content. In this scenario, the king might be revealed later in the film to be a fraud, lacking any substantial magic beyond pretty light effects and leaving the wishes up to chance - thus, an actual wish-granting creature appearing in his kingdom would understandably freak him out and make him do drastic things to stay in power, which could be a commentary on how real-life politicians often rely on fake promises and stealing credit, and the horrible things a paranoid head of the government can be capable of when they feel that their power is in jeopardy. In that case, the message could be that magic is not the end all be all, and people have always been capable of attaining their goals through realistic means, with the star's power maybe used to grant something specifically unrealistic at the end (like breaking a magical curse placed on someone by the king after he goes full dark magic mode), with the more mundane and attainable goals left to be fulfilled by the people themselves.
Now, for the darker take: in exchange for making the wish come true, the person forgets why they made the wish in the first place, all feelings that had led to them making it now buried deep within their consciousness. Still, the wish and all the benefits of it are now granted; and if your mother is healthy once again, does it really matter that you have forgotten why you wanted her to be healthy? If you have the money to buy the house of your dreams now, does it matter that you have forgotten why you needed a house like that? If you are now a famous singer, is it bad that you have forgotten why you love to sing? While the benefits are still there and still make sense, this leads to generations of people who have attained what they wanted, but feel no joy from having attained it. The protagonist lives in a kingdom where people seem to be constantly dissatisfied with their daily life and missing a spark, so she feels like the king's wish-granting reign is justified: the people are miserable, they need magic! But then she finds out the truth and realizes that the most miserable people she knows are in fact the ones who had their wishes granted: a young man who constantly squabbles with his elderly mother after having forgotten the love he had for her, a lonely widow who has forgotten that the house she is constantly trying to sell is the dream home she once wished for with her late husband, a washed-up self-absorbed singer who forgot the love he had for his art and is only left with the money and fame aspects of it... As it turns out, trying to magically force your wish to come true will hurt more than it's worth, and the king, a neutral figure in this story, has always warned people about the consequences, they just didn't listen. The star in this story could actually be another member of the king's wish-granting species, who came to bring him home after seeing how unhappy he's been on Earth, but the king protests, still believing that humans, incomplete as they are, need his help and guidance and won't be able to accomplish things without his magical help... Only to be proven wrong by the protagonists refusing to use magic to solve their issues, and gracefully accepting his departure, leaving humans of the kingdom to tend to themselves and regain their autonomy.
I wish we could have gotten something like this instead.
According to an interview between Chris Gore and a disney employee on his channel Film Threat, Wish was suppose to be the origin of the "When you wish Upon a Star" song to help celebrate Disney's 100 years. They had some of the last remaining Disney Renaissance veterans working on it when all of a sudden it got hijacked by Disney's post modernist employees and warped it into the POS we got. One of the renaissance vets said this was the Last Straw and finally left the studio. (I wanted to reference which one but it looks like the YT algorithm is burying the negative review videos and I can't find it again)
It makes sense. You can kinda see that was the direction they were going in. Like an origin story. Especially with Asha becoming a fairy godmother.
Thats so depressing, but i can totally see the newer gen employees instilling their own crap biases, along with corporate shoe horning themselves into it, i fear media will keep getting softer and more bland and digestible as we continue on
I thought that's what it was originally supposed to be about or the very least my interpretation was more how this movie was supposed to be the universal tie between all of the disney movies. I thought that the protagonist would do something so grand and beneficial to her story that she becomes immortalized as that star
Don't see how post modernist employees would have highjacked it. Given that the Disney Renaissance Vets would have have senority and some influence over it. So there has to be more to the story. Was it someone higher up?, Did they present something that angered the vets?
“Post modernist” bro found a way to say “woke” pretentiously