The BEST Hotend Just Got BETTER - Every Phaetus Product in 2023 + Rapido 2.0
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In this episode I check out Phaetus's booth at RAPID + TCT 2023 and learn more about their latest products, including co-extruded carbon fiber filament, the Phaetus Rapido 2.0, the positron BMS 90 degree angle hotend, tungsten carbide nozzles, the APUS extruder, the DropEffect XG and neXt G hotends, and more.
I want to give a huge shoutout to Maximilian Arnold for chatting with me. This is a man who truly appreciates innovation, engineering, and 3D printer upgrades! 
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Purple for sure!
Gunmetal gray 👀
That's be so clean
Maybe they need to ship them with a bead-blasted finish, and a sharpie in the color or colors that you ask for 😂 DIY COLOR CUSTOMIZATION!!!
That dark purple rapido looks fire. This is basically the same system that the bambu uses on the X1C for their heating, and really I'm concerned with the effect regarding heat only on one side of the block like that. The benefit to the cylindrical ceramic heaters was even heating all around the filament. Unfortunately this is incredibly hard to measure in terms of the thermal effect. Filament itself acts like its own heatsink, sapping heat away from the center core of the block. When you have heat only emanating from one surface of that block, you're going to get a reduction in overall melt volume. I'd like to see this with the same setup, but with dual ceramic heaters maybe in series and sold as a pair but some empirical testing could easily convince me that single sided heating is fine. Likely I'll be moving to an LSD/Goliath hot end from Vez/Mellow soon anyhow, but the Phaetus Rapido UHF has been my go to for a long time, and it's been ultimately reliable and a joy to work with. Really sad that Slice have done their best to keep competition out of this space, even going so far as to threaten Vez/Mellow with regards to the Goliath. I'll continue purchasing Phaetus and others and #NeverSlice.
I have a large 24v battery to utilize for my diy printer. I was wondering if I could use a 24v flat ceramic heater like the x1c uses but on two sides. I'm not sure why that would be necessary since I won't be printing super fast.
I believe that the area the heater is responsible for is small enough that the disparity between the heater and its opposing side are negligible. Also, keep in mind that we don’t really care about the uniformity in heating of the ENTIRE heatblock. We only care about the area that filament goes through and touches. This means that any effect caused by temperature disparity becomes even more negligible. However I’m sure that if we were to scale up the heater and heatblock we would start seeing the results that you alluded to and circular ceramic hotends would have a clear advantage.
I've known Max for 3 years and he is always like this so - excited and knowledgeable. I have 4 APUS extruders and 2 XG hot ends will be excited when the new version of the XG is ready for sale. One concern I have had is parts availability. I have purchased all of my units from Fabreko who has been great to work with, but doesn't sell replacement heaters - etc, at least yet.
I like how he answered all my questions like “well, yes, but no”. Definitely cares about the minutia, which is important in product design.
I didn’t realize it was so easy to clear out the filament path on the APUS. I have one but haven’t installed it on anything, but after hearing him explain how it works, it actually seems like it would be very nice to use. More focused on usability than weight or compactness.
Most extruders, if you get a jam take 20 minutes to take apart and clear, to the point where I don’t even bother with flexibles. This, and the NG from Microswiss, look like they are actually designed for someone to use them.
@@NathanBuildsRobots I have had good results with the APUS and XG combination on my Rat Rigs. It is a straight shot from the APUS to the nozzle if I have a jam I can usually use my unclogger to go all the way down and force it out. Worst case is to take the XG out via the screws on the EVA mount, takes about 5 minutes.
Thank you for your support. Fabreeko has become our after sales service centre in the USA. They already got some of the parts for replacement, and would have more in the future.😀
Thanks for giving us info on this. By far the coolest booth you have been to. Glad to see that hotends are leaping in innovation.
Chrome black-orange would be sick!
What a great representative, knowledgeable and great speaker!
I like how he played along with the new extruder color thing like an infomercial. Haha.
But seriously, don’t let up until we get the pink rapido 🤣🤣🤣
All of this is so yesterday. Only good thing is 3 point rigid heatblock frame.
If you need volumetric performance is just a goliath / supervolcano / volcano + extenders.
Future is thermal advance algorhytms + low thermal mass high power hotends.
E.g. hardened steel volcano-like nozzles in ceramic isolator + induction heater.
Max seems knowledgeable and proud of the products, which is always a good sign.
this guy has great energy!
Yeah he does!
Thanks! I try! 😅
JK, Max is great. We had a good talk about some funny stuff in the development of these technologies. According to him, the circular heaters came into widespread adoption when e-cigarettes made them super cheap to produce at scale. Vape Nation!!!
Very cool! I love seeing what Phaetus is working on.
I think you just love blue anodized plastic and other varieties of polished and finished metals🔥🔥🔥
@@NathanBuildsRobots I mean listen... Me like shiny!
So 5 months and still no Next-g which is v6 nozzle compatible out for sale, are we getting this anytime soon would like to try one thanks.....
I NEED A PINK HOTEND PLS
Oh that teal filter was nice, let's get that one
I want a clear pyrex glass one!
Why isn't the hot end induction heated? Then the heater itself can also report the temperature.
Induction heaters are expensive can cause EM interference, and have unpredictable failure modes. At least, I think that is the case. You can use any old heater as a temperature sensor, but I think it’s just cheaper or easier to use a thermistor
Good interview. Hard to do with so much technical info in a short period.
Definitely, it took about 3X longer to edit to fit all of that technical detail, but it’s a video with great replay value and tons of interesting tidbits about hot-end and nozzle technology.
Pretty interesting interview Nathan.
Thanks Guy! So should I mark your vote down as pink or magenta? I forget which is your favorite color.
Awesome! I've been wanting to know more about the 2.0 since they teased it. Thanks Nathan!
No problem! Looks like a solid improvement. Same form factor but more serviceable.
So they added a bambu labs hotside to a rapido lol.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Did they fix the issue with the screws that secure the heater? if you over torque the 3 screws it will compress the top of the heatbreak causing it to not feed filament until you manually reopen the top with a screwdriver or something. I personally never had a heater die on mine in almost 2 years. Other than that one issue (really user error) it's honestly very solid and I'm sure the new release will be equally as well made.
He explained the kinematic coupling to me. I can see that being an issue. But using spacers is off the table unless you want to license that from slice engineering. Best to just be careful when torquing things down.
The flat ceramic heater is a cheaper solution, and probably saves a lot of time and money in QC. It’s a step in the right direction.
The thermistor is screwed in place instead of the bambu method of just kind of glooping it in place with thermal compound.
The new ABS sounds exactly the same as the FusRock version
Nothing gets past the YT comments section! www.fusrock.com/index.php/nexpa-gf25/#
You’re right, it does look similar. Lots of these 3D printing technologies are developed, licensed, and distributed in a network of companies.
I like how they are displayed like jewelry or watches.
Any idea when the DropEffect neXt G is coming out? As I write, there doesn't seem to be any information about it online.
The new neXt G would be released around July.😀
@@Phaetus3Dany update on the timing?
Purple. All day. I'd buy enough for each and every one of my 10+ vorons.
I only have 2 printers and all these hotends make me want to try them lol
Yeah, they really look great. I’d stick with the best seller, the rapido with tungsten nozzle. That is the only hotend I’ve bothered to take off another printer and install onto a new one because I like it so much.
I recently got that one and love the performance. Want to grab it for my second printer. My only question is that, is cross compatible with the original raptito in terms of bolt/hole pattern. If so, that's really nice.
It looks like it is, but probably wait until more info comes out. You can’t buy it yet, so i guess you’d have to do that either way 😅
Is the old heatsink compatible with the new heatblock?
This is just a general question. I have an two printers, Artillery Sidewider X1 and a Flsun Q5. Which hotend would be a good upgrade for either printer; for fitment and functionality?
I’d do the X1. It’s the more capable machine, but modding it will be. A pretty involved process where you rework the whole toolhead
bare metal if it costs less. i can't see the heatsink anyway, i rather have a cheaper one if it is just as effective
color anodizing a large batch at once costs barely nothing nowadays. In fact, even most "bare" metals (aluminium) are anodized anyway, because anodizing also gives the metal a protective coating
ORANGE RAPIDO!
I wish the engineering that goes into high end parts such as extruders and nozzles, the very heart of a 3D printer, was being done by the high volume 3D printer manufacturers. We have mass produced printers with ten year old technology, and we have high tech innovation at the bleeding edge that very slowly migrates to the mass market. We need a lot more engineering done by volume manufacturers to get the bugs worked out sooner and the cost reduced.
Mass produced designs are optimized to reduce cost, not to maximize performance
@@NathanBuildsRobots - Recent mass produced 3D printers with print speeds over 400 mm/s need higher performance hotends and while it does look like the manufacturers put some effort into the designs (and borrowed heavily from the custom high performance hotends developed in the 3D printer hot rod aftermarket), it seems that Creality didn't quite finalize the K1's hotend design in time for shipping. I don't expect purple anodizing or tungsten carbide on a $600 printer with all of the features of the K1, but I do expect a cost reduced hotend to work without wiring parts to keep them in place, and to last more than a month.
Pink hotend party
Do we know release dates for the rápido 2.0 and next g?
Sounds like rapido would be out in a manth
Nathan builds hairbrush.
😂
With that vest on your kind of going for a Bradley Cooper look
Creep is why I don't make functional parts from PLA.
I always wonder about the financial viability of these companies. How many people are building their own printers? How many Vorons have been made world wide? I can't imagine it is more than a few thousand at most. That's not a lot of hotends.
Same goes for bigger players. With E3D and nozzles for instance: Prusa pridefully announced a few years back they had made 100.000 printers. That's not that many printers really. So if you're E3D and you have the supply contract for those nozzles and you make 3€ per nozzle, that really is not a lot of money at the end of the day. Am I making any mistakes in my thought process here?
The stuff costs close to nothing to manufacture if done properly. Not a whole lot of design hrs go into the products, idk it ends up making a good deal of $$$ if you sell 10-30k of them
Ive got a dragon UHF for my voron build
Pink!
Unpopular opinion? Maybe we can put it to a poll later!
That thumbnail brought me here, only to be disappointed that it isn't already a thing.
Can I use the Phaetus Rapido 1.0 or 2.0 with the Ender 3 S1 Pro?
my friend got this from phaetus last month
it is really good
Drop effect XG there is no CAD files !
Could you mod the Creality K1 with one of these nozzles? Because I feel like it would massively improve the performance of the Creality k1 since its stock nozzle is not very good.
You 100% could. I have a bimetallic volcano CHT, which is another great option.
Only caveat is if your bed is super uneven it can cause issues with the shorter nozzle. But it should be fine, and if switching to a normal geometry volcano nozzle causes issues you need to manually level the bed anyways
Where can I buy phaetus filament?
Hopefully they resolve the fragility issues with the Rapido. I’ve lost several to attempting to change the nozzle, and having the whole ceramic part break apart, or the thin wire contacts coming off. Seriously, I think I’ve had 6 or 7 fail me now. Great at extruding, not great at staying alive and working. 👎
Im using a rapido since it came out still works fine. I use a torque wrench for nozzle installation.
Only thing that sucks is that once in while the ptfe liner moves a fraction of mm out and causes clogs.
why dont you use watercooling for the heatbrake? maybe i am 10 years ahead.
some hotends already do that; see goliath
Leaking is the biggest concern. We’re not cooling a power plant here, just 1-3 watts of residual heat that makes it past the heatbreak.
Many people who build for enclosed chambers do water cool for this very reason. It's hard to thermally transfer heat out of the hot end when the air around it is ALSO at 80C.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Yeah an adequate fan is all that is needed, watercooling is like taking a sledgehammer to knock in a pin.
90% of the time I see a water cooled build it’s on an unenclosed Ender 3, just 1 loose fitting away from being in your repair shop 😭
But yes, in heated chambers that is an exceptional use case.
Personally I might just run an air loop if it were my printer, to avoid risk of damaging a likely thousands of dollar printer with high powered bed, chambers, high temp steppers, etc.
Red Voron !!! :)
Sparkling Gold
Will there be some kind of upgrade path or compatility for existing XG hotends? I'd love to be able to upgrade to neXtG without outright replacing the whole thing.
We wanted to design the neXt G in such a way that an upgrade kit would be possible. The Problem was that we had to do some many changes to the architecture so that the hotend could support V6 nozzles and also we did want to increase the size of the hotend but instead decrease and still make a high-flow nozzle. I am really sorry that we did not manage to give the XG users the possibility to easily upgrade :(
@@DropEffect I see, I guess with extensive redesigning that's understandable; thank you for the reply. Just being completely sure, but if I purchased the neXtG heat block, I wouldn't be able to screw it into my existing XG hotends? My main concern is that I'd really like to use some of my nicer V6 nozzles again on my XG.
PURPLE/PINK/PASTEL BLUE
teal or gunmetal for the Rapido
Candy Red Metalic
blue
I bet that, in true Phaetus fashion, it's incompatible even with Rapido 1.0 parts...
I'm tired of buying whole sets every time some slight improvement comes out.
Trash I didn’t dig deep into the Phaetus 2.0
Wasn’t aware that it was an unreleased product while filming this otherwise I would have tried to learn more about it
Blue and black 😊
Dark purple
pink or teal oh my god 😭
oh shit i'm building a bisexual colored Voron V0.2 and I gotta have that pink hot end.
Tartan 😮
These are nice hotends but too expensive for what it is. I like to support manufacturers but 100 plus for a hotend... they should also invest in manufacturing methods for cost efficiency. Since I like having various hotends for toolchanger setup. 5 hotend is 500-600. I would rather something uggly and functional for at least half the price.
PINK!!!!
You are right
Voron Red!
Gold
Magenta!
Noted!
@@NathanBuildsRobots btw it's not a real color, but a trick of our mind...
Looks similar to bambu lab.
Nathan where's mocking and fun man. :D Anyways transparent one would be innovative )))
3.3 W (m−1 K−1) is the best glass conductor I could find, pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2020/ra/d0ra03026k
which is 1.5% the conductivity of aluminum 🤓
Best you could do is maybe have cutouts with glass inserts to be able to see into the hotend a little better. Or use some surface layer thermally conductive witchcraft like the new positron is using.
Best option would be to grind it out of a single diamond crystal, which is over 2x as thermally conductive as aluminum.
hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Tables/thrcn.html
@@NathanBuildsRobots well what if we'll start using lasers and transparent ceramics to melt our plastics, till that imma use my Goliath (LSD is a better name though) :)))
Desktop metal has patented all sorts of strange tech that I independently came up with in an afternoon of brainstorming. Seriously, they patented all sorts of trivial innovations that I could come up with on the toilet. Then we’re bought out by 3D Systems for 1.5 billion. Good luck doing anything to significantly advance the state of the art without getting sued by 3D Systems (AKA Stratasys)
^Guess the mocking and fun man decided to return 🤪
@@NathanBuildsRobots yeah patent games tough 😂 let the big boys do their business we're enthusiasts romantics that fell in love with technology itself
Brown
It would go great with my Noctua fan setup
Please bright red rapido 2.0 PT1000
🌈 rainbow!
I thought about doing that in the thumbnail, would be funny if each fin was a different color
@@NathanBuildsRobots that was kinda my thought too 😂
red rapido
Just copy Bambu and say everybody it's yours innovation.
Guess we aren’t allowed to use good ideas that other people come up with, but at the same time we should attack anyone who doesn’t embrace open source. [The 3D printing community in a nutshell]
@@NathanBuildsRobots just don't say we changed, we came up with, just say as it is - we totally copied. By the way, you was happy to make content with Bambu product you should attack.
Im looking to install a Bamboo hotend in one of my Ender 5 Plus machines, they are so inexpensive and yet so good, I dont really care about colour as once the fan and its shroud are on you cant see much of it anyway, maybe a way to mount the fan on the back would be a good thing to be able to show off a nice looking hotend.
I bought some to see if I can slap them on other machines too. Seems like a fun experiment.
It’s not a total copy though. Heatbreak, kinematic coupling, V6 nozzle compatibility, and thermistor integration are all differences. Yes the one element is the same. But the rest is different.
Additionally it’s compatible with all of the previous mounts designed for the V6, dragon, and Rapido 1.0
If you fixated on one aspect of the design, and the heating element is all that matters to you, then yes, it’s totally a copy.
But even then if you look close enough at the heating element and how it’s secured, you might find some differences (improvement even). And I can pretty much guarantee that this can extruder higher flow rates than the bambu lab extruder and withstand crashes without breaking as easily as the bambu extruder.
Progress is progress, even if it looks the same to you.
Purple!!
1:43 lost me at proprietary...
I'm color blind.
The. I guess 1:08 was pretty boring for you 😎
They were all changing colors, but I’m sure you could detect something! Just let us know the time stamp you liked the most and we’ll tell you what color it is
Get the colour that you actualy see!
Black and white alternating fins. Zebra pattern!
Me too. But i have some colors Like pink witch i See Quiz and other Like Green where a only See gray
Too bad they stole so much from the community without giving back :(
The v6 extender for example is a design from Vez.
Does Vez feel that they stole his idea? I don’t recall hearing about this.
Phaetus one of the first companies to start selling ceramic heaters for consumer printers with the rapido, and look how that has turned out!
Companies aren’t here to give stuff to us, they’re here to sell stuff to us 💵
The volcano extender jam nut idea didn't come from Vez. He wasn't the first to do it. Nobody is "stealing" anything -- the 3D printing community is built on a heart of open source, which means implementing good ideas. Good ideas aren't property in this community.
best hotend. loool "sure"
My Rapido has been my favorite hotend to use. The Bambu hotend is pretty no-fuss too. But I prefer Rapido because I can use any M6 aftermarket nozzle.