I remember, as a child in the conservative western side of lower Michigan, a certain Evangelist came to our church who was stridently anti-alcohol. He bellowed: “Don’t tell me that my Lord and Savior, at the Wedding of Canaan, was a BARTENDER!!” Not exactly a scholarly approach to the subject.
Haha! Yeah, there does seem to be an emotional component to how some respond to the idea of Jesus and alcohol. I get that some have had bad experiences in their family with alcohol, but I think that sometimes gets taken too far the other way. I know that methodist ministers used to have to take a vow of sobriety when they were ordained. I was surprised by that! I thought... Hmm they'd be in for a surprise if they were at the wedding in Canaan!
Good video! As a homebrewer, I cannot arrest the fermentation process without special, modern chemicals and/or chilling the wort (unfermented beer) down to below 45 degrees, which would have been exceeding difficult and expensive in ancient times. I just brewed up a batch on Saturday and pitched my yeast that evening. By Sunday morning, my carboy was foaming and the airlock bubbling merrily. It finished up yesterday (Tuesday), so from start to finish it was about 72 hours to go from 0% alcohol to it's final finishing point of about 5% (estimated via hydrometer readings). Considering that the average Jewish resident of Palestine in the 1st Century could not afford the time to daily harvest grapes, crush them to make juice, and then transport them to cold storage (which only the wealthy would have), the far, far simpler explanation was that the average Jew drank fermented wine, not the "new wine" (unfermented) that some try to use as a contrivance to skirt the obvious. They simply didn't have the time or resources to constantly produce non-alcoholic wine. The big brew-haha about getting drunk... an average person's liver will process 1 standard drink per hour, meaning that unless you exceed that amount, you'll never even begin to feel the effects. Top that up with eating at a wedding feast, along with the weaker nature of wine in the 1st Century AD, and odds are most of the wedding guests at Cana were probably feeling nothing more than mildly pleasant. They would not be roaring drunk. It would have been socially taboo and insulting to the host to act out boorishly or disobey God's laws against drunkeness. Therefore, we can only conclude the obvious: they were drinking alcoholic wine moderately and in a manner that did not disobey God's law or run afoul of customary socially acceptable behaviors.
That is some great insight! I really appreciate you weighing in on that. I actually have a small homebrew kit myself, but I have not tried it yet. But I've been thinking about trying to brew my own stout sometime for fun.
I've been thinking lately, tangentially, why unleavened bread but fermented (leavened) wine? I think it's 2 things: flesh vs spirit, and law vs grace. The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. The life of the flesh is in the blood.
Yeah that is really interesting, it does make you wonder why the whole meal wasn't unleavened. So I could see there being a symbolic reason for that. I like your explanation!
How about Matthew 26:29 which says: "Mark my words-I will not drink wine again until the day I drink it new with you in my Father’s Kingdom.” - NLT. If he will not drink it AGAIN, it is implied that he has drunk wine before.
For audience- Ask winemaker or chemist who understands the process and you’ll understand that it’s impossible for wine to be “grape juice” except for maybe for a day or two. You virtually couldn’t stop the fermentation process bc they didn’t have fridges or sulfites and whatnot that slows or stops fermentation process, the wine just fermented till it exhausted all the yeast and probably means it was pretty potent. Like a port wine
Yes, that's exactly right, I recently learned that the coating on grapes is actually yeast, so it causes the juice to ferment. It wasn't until the 1800's when someone (Thomas Welch) figured out how to make grape juice that wasn't fermented
@@breweryministries yeah it’s cool how God made everything. Like yeast is everywhere on almost everything in the air and whatnot from what I understand. I’ve been experimenting with wine making for a couple years now (once I quit being so legalistic about alcohol 😂)
@@breweryministries and once you learn the whole natural process of alcohol it’s laughable how modern western Christianity views it. It’s like wow we’re clueless lol making doctrines from stuff we can’t even begin to understand and it’s something awesome in Gods creation that He himself created and meant as a blessing just like other things like food and sex even. Outside His parameters it’s sinful but within them it’s a good thing.
I went through the same thing when I was younger. My thought process has changed over time. I'm interested to brew a nice chocolate stout someday and maybe wine. I have a kit but haven't tried it yet.
Hello! On a basic level, it was a day set aside to rest from work and focus on God, modeled after God resting after creating everything in Genesis 1-2. I theorize it was probably also partly designed to bring the family/community closer together too but that's just my opinion. Was there anything specific you were wondering?
Lol... Believe it or not, a lot of people ask about the wine Jesus drank over the years. A lot of people think the wine Jesus drank was non-alcoholic, and a tradition emerged in the 1800's that is still around today which teaches that drinking alcohol is a sin. So it might seem obvious to us but to others it's not
1 st of all why is your channel called BREWERY MINISTRIES? that's what I would like to know? Who are you catering to? The WORLD to get people into your church?
Maybe he's catering to people who have been bullied by self-righteous Christians into believing what is patently false: that Jesus never made or drank any alcohol. Just a guess....
I would not agree that Jesus's wine had a remarkable amount of alcohol in it. If it did it would cause people to unintentionally become drunk. I doubt this would be something he would facilitate. I have no doubt that it did have alcohol in it though.
It's definitely hard to figure out how much alcohol it had in it. I have read that Jews had more concentrated wine that they added water to so it would last longer, so in that case it's really hard to tell what the alcohol % would have been because it could be different depending on how much water a person added (if they added it at all). I wish I could find something more concrete on that. But a lot of what I read suggests the wine was about equal to a mainstream grocery store beer. It probably takes 3 or more beers in a short period for a person to get drunk (and it depends on factors like weight, height, metabolism etc). So that seems like a reasonable guess, but still, it's not easy to come up with a concrete alcohol % for sure.
@@breweryministries it's impossible to say unless we had specific records. Watering down was done back then, but it was more of a Roman thing to do. Not out of the realm of possibility though. It's fun to speculate about these things.
Yeah, I can't remember exactly what source I was reading when I came across that. If I come across it again I'll post it. It might possibly have been somewhere in this paper but I can't remember for sure. It's pretty intriguing paper though! www.brandeis.edu/hornstein/sarna/mordecainoah/Archive/PassoverRaisinWine,TheAmericanTemperanceMovement,andModecaiNoah.pdf
Hi! A Nazarite vow means you don't drink wine. When was Jesus' vow over? "But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom." KJV...still does not prove he drank it. It was to symbolize his blood; Communion was to be important for us. Catacomb art shows Jesus with short hair--might this mean that His vow was over after Ascention (ex.s of Him being hard to recognize after resurrection...)? And maybe He did not have a Nazarite vow.
Hello! Great question! I think part of the answer lies in studying the Passover (I'm in the middle of that myself). From what I can tell, at the Last Supper they were actually celebrating the Passover meal, which is the key to understanding Jesus' comment about not drinking from the cup. It seems to be for a different reason than a Nazarite vow. In a Passover meal, each person would drink from four different cups of wine which basically told a story of how God would redeem the world. The cups represented 1. Sanctification 2. Deliverance, 3. Redemption, 4. Restoration. It seems Jesus drank from the first two, but then did not drink from cups 3 and 4 until after the resurrection (I think symbolizing that man had not been redeemed and restored yet). Basically Jesus used the Passover and the four cups to tell the gospel. If you read all of the gospels on the last supper, one or two of them clarify that it's the last cup or two that he didn't drink. So it seems that he didn't actually take the Nazarite vow (as far as we know) and then that would also explain why he said he would not drink from the cup of redemption til later. That's my understanding so far!
Yes--I did not know about the 4 cups till before I made my comment. And I found out when the 3 days in the grave were--there was an extra/annual Sabbath that week. Skip to 6:15 for timeline: ruclips.net/video/EmtyYqq11Qc/видео.html Also, that Jesus triumphal entry was the time of expecting THE lamb to arrive--the final one sacrificed before the priest said "It is finished," after all the rest were. I really appreciate your channel and research!👍 @@breweryministries
It can be confusing because it's not directly stated clearly. The two places where it's most obvious would be at The Last Supper, because the 4 cups they were drinking for the Passover were 4 cups of wine, a tradition ever since the Exodus. The other passage that hints at it is Luke 7:34 where the religious leaders accused Jesus of being a drunk. I don't think he was drunk personally, but I think it's highly likely they said this because he had alcohol in his hand and they wanted to stretch the truth to basically frame him and have him killed. So no verse that I know of directly stated it, but it was implied. I suppose you could look at the first communion in Corinthians, modeled after the last supper to see that they drank wine as they tried to adopt what Jesus had taught them for the meal.
@@breweryministries a lot of people don’t realize or understand understand that the “last supper” Jesus had with his disciples was in fact a Seder and their were symbolic foods and 4 glasses of wine were poured out for those in attendance. I think, some people just think that the guys were sitting around drinking wine and eating bread. You have definitely done your research and thank you for pointing those passages out. I had forgotten about them and they are pretty important.
Thank you! Yeah, it's not easy to sort out either, as I feel like there are only "breadcrumbs" dropped in the gospels about exactly what the Seder meal looked like, but once out what it is, it's easier to see. I'm still studying up on it, but I hope to make a video on the Last Supper soon to add to this series. Very interesting stuff!
I love how you wasted the first 20 minutes of NOT drinking alcohol. I wish people would actually get the points and talk exactly about the subject. Not everything else. Learn how to speak to the public before making statements. The subject isn't on His miracle of MAKING wine or alcohol, but on DRINKING it!
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Alcohol shouldn't be abused. As anything else.
Philippians 4:5
@@rogeranderson5578 Thank you brother ❤️
Abuse is subjective but most of the time many can spot the 4 types of drunks, not always all four though I might add. Read Hemingway.
I remember, as a child in the conservative western side of lower Michigan, a certain Evangelist came to our church who was stridently anti-alcohol. He bellowed: “Don’t tell me that my Lord and Savior, at the Wedding of Canaan, was a BARTENDER!!”
Not exactly a scholarly approach to the subject.
Haha! Yeah, there does seem to be an emotional component to how some respond to the idea of Jesus and alcohol. I get that some have had bad experiences in their family with alcohol, but I think that sometimes gets taken too far the other way. I know that methodist ministers used to have to take a vow of sobriety when they were ordained. I was surprised by that! I thought... Hmm they'd be in for a surprise if they were at the wedding in Canaan!
Good video! As a homebrewer, I cannot arrest the fermentation process without special, modern chemicals and/or chilling the wort (unfermented beer) down to below 45 degrees, which would have been exceeding difficult and expensive in ancient times. I just brewed up a batch on Saturday and pitched my yeast that evening. By Sunday morning, my carboy was foaming and the airlock bubbling merrily. It finished up yesterday (Tuesday), so from start to finish it was about 72 hours to go from 0% alcohol to it's final finishing point of about 5% (estimated via hydrometer readings).
Considering that the average Jewish resident of Palestine in the 1st Century could not afford the time to daily harvest grapes, crush them to make juice, and then transport them to cold storage (which only the wealthy would have), the far, far simpler explanation was that the average Jew drank fermented wine, not the "new wine" (unfermented) that some try to use as a contrivance to skirt the obvious. They simply didn't have the time or resources to constantly produce non-alcoholic wine.
The big brew-haha about getting drunk... an average person's liver will process 1 standard drink per hour, meaning that unless you exceed that amount, you'll never even begin to feel the effects. Top that up with eating at a wedding feast, along with the weaker nature of wine in the 1st Century AD, and odds are most of the wedding guests at Cana were probably feeling nothing more than mildly pleasant. They would not be roaring drunk. It would have been socially taboo and insulting to the host to act out boorishly or disobey God's laws against drunkeness. Therefore, we can only conclude the obvious: they were drinking alcoholic wine moderately and in a manner that did not disobey God's law or run afoul of customary socially acceptable behaviors.
That is some great insight! I really appreciate you weighing in on that. I actually have a small homebrew kit myself, but I have not tried it yet. But I've been thinking about trying to brew my own stout sometime for fun.
People drank alcohol back then because they could not always trust the water supply
I've been thinking lately, tangentially, why unleavened bread but fermented (leavened) wine? I think it's 2 things: flesh vs spirit, and law vs grace. The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. The life of the flesh is in the blood.
Yeah that is really interesting, it does make you wonder why the whole meal wasn't unleavened. So I could see there being a symbolic reason for that. I like your explanation!
They ate leavened bread. It was just for Passover that they didn't eat it.
Yes, that's my understanding as well
He did make wine, but it shouldn't be abused, and used in moderation not overboard.
How about Matthew 26:29 which says: "Mark my words-I will not drink wine again until the day I drink it new with you in my Father’s Kingdom.” - NLT. If he will not drink it AGAIN, it is implied that he has drunk wine before.
Great point!
@@breweryministries And, did you notice, he will be drinking in his Father's Kingdom (Heaven) too!
Yes! What's a party banquet without yummy wine? :)
so it is not a sin to drink alcohol according to bible?
Nope. Just drinking too much
For audience- Ask winemaker or chemist who understands the process and you’ll understand that it’s impossible for wine to be “grape juice” except for maybe for a day or two. You virtually couldn’t stop the fermentation process bc they didn’t have fridges or sulfites and whatnot that slows or stops fermentation process, the wine just fermented till it exhausted all the yeast and probably means it was pretty potent. Like a port wine
Yes, that's exactly right, I recently learned that the coating on grapes is actually yeast, so it causes the juice to ferment. It wasn't until the 1800's when someone (Thomas Welch) figured out how to make grape juice that wasn't fermented
@@breweryministries yeah it’s cool how God made everything. Like yeast is everywhere on almost everything in the air and whatnot from what I understand. I’ve been experimenting with wine making for a couple years now (once I quit being so legalistic about alcohol 😂)
@@breweryministries and once you learn the whole natural process of alcohol it’s laughable how modern western Christianity views it. It’s like wow we’re clueless lol making doctrines from stuff we can’t even begin to understand and it’s something awesome in Gods creation that He himself created and meant as a blessing just like other things like food and sex even. Outside His parameters it’s sinful but within them it’s a good thing.
I went through the same thing when I was younger. My thought process has changed over time. I'm interested to brew a nice chocolate stout someday and maybe wine. I have a kit but haven't tried it yet.
What do you believe about the sabbath day
Hello! On a basic level, it was a day set aside to rest from work and focus on God, modeled after God resting after creating everything in Genesis 1-2. I theorize it was probably also partly designed to bring the family/community closer together too but that's just my opinion. Was there anything specific you were wondering?
@@breweryministries 7th day or 1st day?
@@breweryministries do you believe we should still be observing the weekly sabbath day?
What day was the church meeting on in Acts ??
@@bigtobacco1098 believers gathered whenever they could, does that make everyday the sabbath ?
It was common practice to water wine down. They called Jesus a wine bibler witch ment he was was drinking wine that was not mixed with water
If you count wine as alcohol. Our beloved Jesus drank alcohol everyday.
Stop the cap 🧢
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Lol... Believe it or not, a lot of people ask about the wine Jesus drank over the years. A lot of people think the wine Jesus drank was non-alcoholic, and a tradition emerged in the 1800's that is still around today which teaches that drinking alcohol is a sin. So it might seem obvious to us but to others it's not
Do eat and drink.
Don't be a glutton or drunkard.
Good video!
Thank you!
Jesus + metaphor = symbols..... or.... perhaps..... Creators + hidden truths = wide awake.
1 st of all why is your channel called BREWERY MINISTRIES? that's what I would like to know? Who are you catering to? The WORLD to get people into your church?
Maybe he's catering to people who have been bullied by self-righteous Christians into believing what is patently false: that Jesus never made or drank any alcohol. Just a guess....
I would not agree that Jesus's wine had a remarkable amount of alcohol in it. If it did it would cause people to unintentionally become drunk. I doubt this would be something he would facilitate. I have no doubt that it did have alcohol in it though.
It's definitely hard to figure out how much alcohol it had in it. I have read that Jews had more concentrated wine that they added water to so it would last longer, so in that case it's really hard to tell what the alcohol % would have been because it could be different depending on how much water a person added (if they added it at all). I wish I could find something more concrete on that. But a lot of what I read suggests the wine was about equal to a mainstream grocery store beer. It probably takes 3 or more beers in a short period for a person to get drunk (and it depends on factors like weight, height, metabolism etc). So that seems like a reasonable guess, but still, it's not easy to come up with a concrete alcohol % for sure.
@@breweryministries it's impossible to say unless we had specific records. Watering down was done back then, but it was more of a Roman thing to do. Not out of the realm of possibility though. It's fun to speculate about these things.
Yeah, I can't remember exactly what source I was reading when I came across that. If I come across it again I'll post it. It might possibly have been somewhere in this paper but I can't remember for sure. It's pretty intriguing paper though! www.brandeis.edu/hornstein/sarna/mordecainoah/Archive/PassoverRaisinWine,TheAmericanTemperanceMovement,andModecaiNoah.pdf
Hmm Nazarite vow
Hi! A Nazarite vow means you don't drink wine. When was Jesus' vow over?
"But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom." KJV...still does not prove he drank it. It was to symbolize his blood; Communion was to be important for us.
Catacomb art shows Jesus with short hair--might this mean that His vow was over after Ascention (ex.s of Him being hard to recognize after resurrection...)? And maybe He did not have a Nazarite vow.
Hello! Great question! I think part of the answer lies in studying the Passover (I'm in the middle of that myself). From what I can tell, at the Last Supper they were actually celebrating the Passover meal, which is the key to understanding Jesus' comment about not drinking from the cup. It seems to be for a different reason than a Nazarite vow. In a Passover meal, each person would drink from four different cups of wine which basically told a story of how God would redeem the world. The cups represented 1. Sanctification 2. Deliverance, 3. Redemption, 4. Restoration. It seems Jesus drank from the first two, but then did not drink from cups 3 and 4 until after the resurrection (I think symbolizing that man had not been redeemed and restored yet). Basically Jesus used the Passover and the four cups to tell the gospel. If you read all of the gospels on the last supper, one or two of them clarify that it's the last cup or two that he didn't drink. So it seems that he didn't actually take the Nazarite vow (as far as we know) and then that would also explain why he said he would not drink from the cup of redemption til later. That's my understanding so far!
Yes--I did not know about the 4 cups till before I made my comment.
And I found out when the 3 days in the grave were--there was an extra/annual Sabbath that week. Skip to 6:15 for timeline: ruclips.net/video/EmtyYqq11Qc/видео.html
Also, that Jesus triumphal entry was the time of expecting THE lamb to arrive--the final one sacrificed before the priest said "It is finished," after all the rest were.
I really appreciate your channel and research!👍
@@breweryministries
He was from Nazareth, so a Nazerine, not a Nazerite.
@@theoverthinker1978 Right. "Nazarite" refers to a type of vow.
@healthreviewsplus correct.
I have read in the Bible that Jesus turned water into wine, but I have never read anything about Jesus drinking wine or any alcohol.
It can be confusing because it's not directly stated clearly. The two places where it's most obvious would be at The Last Supper, because the 4 cups they were drinking for the Passover were 4 cups of wine, a tradition ever since the Exodus. The other passage that hints at it is Luke 7:34 where the religious leaders accused Jesus of being a drunk. I don't think he was drunk personally, but I think it's highly likely they said this because he had alcohol in his hand and they wanted to stretch the truth to basically frame him and have him killed. So no verse that I know of directly stated it, but it was implied. I suppose you could look at the first communion in Corinthians, modeled after the last supper to see that they drank wine as they tried to adopt what Jesus had taught them for the meal.
@@breweryministries a lot of people don’t realize or understand understand that the “last supper” Jesus had with his disciples was in fact a Seder and their were symbolic foods and 4 glasses of wine were poured out for those in attendance.
I think, some people just think that the guys were sitting around drinking wine and eating bread.
You have definitely done your research and thank you for pointing those passages out. I had forgotten about them and they are pretty important.
Thank you! Yeah, it's not easy to sort out either, as I feel like there are only "breadcrumbs" dropped in the gospels about exactly what the Seder meal looked like, but once out what it is, it's easier to see. I'm still studying up on it, but I hope to make a video on the Last Supper soon to add to this series. Very interesting stuff!
Sure he drank , drinking water would be bad because it was dirty.
Jesus drank alcohol. The bible says so
You should do a video on topic, Jesus isn't white.. lol love the average picture of Jesus as a white man
YEP 🧔🏻♀️🤳🏻
Please don't use AI images I think it distorts your message.
Agreed
Hello, I'm sorry you feel that way. Could you help me understand why they come off that way?
Who called 1-800-outtawhine?
Maybe rather it made content seems to less serious, what is not complimentary for a this kinda message.
@@breweryministries Possibly images of Jesus drinking at a modern bar are mocking... That came of odd for me. :/
I love how you wasted the first 20 minutes of NOT drinking alcohol. I wish people would actually get the points and talk exactly about the subject. Not everything else. Learn how to speak to the public before making statements. The subject isn't on His miracle of MAKING wine or alcohol, but on DRINKING it!
In reality, bible jesus didn't exist to say or do anything.