ok, let me just run down the list: -custom gun owner -lawyer -absurdly good at picking locks -wife speaks fluent russian you are an extraordinarily interesting person
Bob Lee Swagger in the film Shooter, "the US government spent a lot of time and money teaching me not to die." He is as a lawyer as dr Dre is a doctor.
If the sanitary-equipment-company made this lock, this seems probable to me that it was designed to protect huge valves. Believe me, the Russian army would not rely on something so easy to pick. I would imagine some valves in a chemical plant, for instance, where dual custody would be advisable, like a tank with acid or something similar.
If I had to guess, the lock was probably for securing plant tools, one time use supplies like chemicals, or some night gaurd equipment. Something not super critical, but difficult to track down back in 1960-1988 if stolen by a single employee during one of the late shifts.
its cute that you think that the Russian army is so paranoid about theft. Ive had freinds and relatives serve and they say that the general rule in the army is everything gets stolen. One guy who worked as a tank engeeneer would often come back in the morning to find the engines of the tanks missing anf fuel never existed longer than 2 days. I doubt the officers that let this happen particularly cared about how "pickable the lock was"
There were no Tatarstan Republic back to 1983, there was Tatar ASSR as part of RSFSR which become Russian Federation as we know it now at 1992, with Tatar Republic as federative member of Russian Federation. Also there could be no Joint Stock Companies before 1990th. So this lock is a product of conversion of JSC Satechpribor, which is now in bankruptcy process. You can search it here, there is some drone filming of what is left of it. Also there could be no negotiable price, as ruble was comparably stable in Soviet times, and all goods has its price hard printed or engraved on them. So it is definitely not cold war, but USSR collapse times. 1993 sounds more realistic.
The fact that it was made by a "stock company" and that it has "negotiable price", there is no way it was produced in the Soviet Union. I think the date is actually 1993, when we already had modern Russia.
I noticed that on a few other Soviet locks, the price was stamped into the metal, and this one has, "negotiable," written on paper. Wildly different, but it could be explained by differences in time or place to those others, I guess. It could also be from post Union times, idk hardly anything about it
I'm really surprised something like this doesn't operate on a mechanism that requires both mechanisms to be turned at the same time. While still probably pickable, it would be a bigger pain in the ass.
or at least a spring mechanism inside the cylinders that would required more dexterity/ingenuity to keep the tension on the first cylinder while the other is attempted to be used as well.
I believe he picks another Soviet era two-man lock requiring simultaneous keysin another video. He had to do a partial pick on one keyhole and hold it in place while he picked the other and then just turned both tension wrenches at the same time.
What a lot of people here forget is that he is an expert at picking locks , thats why it looks easy , mTry it yourself and it will take a lot longer unless you have a knack for it
Thanks for letting me know about Clara Zetkin. Her history is interesting and she was a revolutionary comrade for sure. Sad I didn’t hear more about her before. Good to see you know a little bit of history that isn’t taught much.
Best locks in soviet union were made by engineers and designers for their own/own'ish summerhouses and garages. Those are the masterpieces with all the goodies and tricks and safeties.
@@enosunim English speaking users : Sorry, just use a Google translate. Thank You Ты где такие видео нашел ? :) С последнего вообще посмеялся. Главное до конца досмотреть
@@vladkh1068 I'm not sure you can trust official records from before 1990... (But it's true that criminality must have exploded with the void of power that came with the fall of the regime)
My aunt used to lament that locks were meant to keep honest people out. I find that most people are intimidated by locks, no matter how simple. "Oh no! Two keys? We're never going to get through that." You'd need a die grinder, a compressor, and a mission statement to get through that shackle. It takes two keys to get through my front door. As to being built by plumbers, you have to remember that the US has done the same thing. My .30 carbine was built by anyone with a machine shop during WWII, and it doesn't take a lot of skill to break down and clean. Postal workers keep giving me my neighbor's mail, but Postal Meter company was building rifles used through WWII, the Korean conflict, and into the Vietnam War.
Also "ОСТ" Means regional standard pattern dated 1980. As some other mentioned it might be post-soviet. Price negotiable means different than those people said tho. It means that product was not intended for sale to general public, instead it was ordered as a batch by other company/service/division. What makes me think this exact lock is more like 1993 instead of 1983 is not that of company name, but that passport paper was not printed printing factory, but on early needle matrix printer, that were used with wide spread of PC after USSR collapsed.
@@lockpickinglawyer Republic of Tatarstan had different name in 1983, which is Tatar ASSR. "Акционерное общество" means Joint-stock company. That was impossible in 1983. So, the lock was made in 1993.
TPI or two person integrity is often used to secure highly classified items. Typically you would find it in a very secure area so this lock isn't used for deterring theft, rather to maintain integrity so that at least 2 people are there to keep each other honest.
About the company name. This is a standard Soviet naming for all manufacturing plants, and it doesn't really mean that company was doing plumbing. Also, every military plant was obliged to make some consumer products, like helicopter plants making pots and kettles. For example, the "Machinery Design Bureau" aka KBM (in wiki) makes missiles, and the "central research institute of precise machinery" (TsNIITochMash, also in wiki) products are "precise" in more than one way
I am always very impressed by your skills, but I am even more impressed by the fact that you've learned to read Cyrillic and even understand what some words mean. Bravo!
The inventor of this lock was from the Volgograd region and a very good friend of my wife’s family. Mr lockpicker, send me a message and we can do a skype video and my wife can speak to yours in their native language. We have some magnificent stories about this lock. Its main intent was foe people who had garages to keep their car locked and secured at their homes. It was a very big deal have a car and the normal locking mechanisms would be easily broken by the common thief. This lock was basically considered unbreakable at the time and You could only get this lock if you worked in this inventors factory. It was the factory known at Workshop #100....
Well, you will be horrified to know that even if this was used for nukes, things are worse in the USA. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-man_rule#/media/File:SAS_Container.png
I wasn't created for contr-breaching, it was used just to close a safe or a door from unautorised access in military building or somewhere like that, there people doesn't have tools to open it
So surprised that the "free world" does not have similar supplies if gas work designed industrial locks. Seems so sensible to good management. Stops industrial accidents.
My understanding is that a great many locks from the Soviet Union were dual custody locks in an attempt to cut down on corruption and theft. With the massive shortages in most basic systems, black markets thrived, and so even things we would not deem sensitive or important got extra security in an attempt to cut back on that.
This lock was probably used as garage lock. At that time there was no need to have very secure locks, crime level was very low and was quite common not to lock doors in apartments and have a wooden doors, because it was quite safe to live. In the 90s the crime level grown up so much, that now people are still keep buying almost bullet proof metal doors with very safe locks even that crime level is much, much lower than in 90s.
I'm very surprised to find out that you know who Clara Zetkin is, and very happy that you treat her memory with the respect she deserves. Very educational video!
Can't say that I agree with her far left/socialist politics, but she was certainly an important historical figure and should IMO be remembered with respect for her contributions to women's rights.
I believe early communists from that period cannot be directly associated with the horror wrought by communist dictatorships... While communism is a failed philosophy and one I believe is contrary to human dignity, in that time period the excesses of monarchies and the existence of wage slavery/indentured servitude had an inevitable reaction. I think it's a reasonable position to take that the early Marxists were wrong, but their voice was a necessary one at the time. Incidentally, just stumbled across your channel. Subscribed - as a tinkerer, locks fascinate me and I hope to learn to pick at some point.
Violet_Shift Thats the thing with communism. "in a vacuum", its a fine ideology. But it doesn't work in situ in a progressive world, as it crashes hard with human nature.
That particular company manufactured for mains water supplies, and sewage junctions. Pretty much any point along the journey of clean water supply, from the treatment plants, to where it's interesting and put back into say a river, lake or the ocean, if there's building, or part of a compound, which requires security, but is not under observation all day long, there's your lock for the job. Soviet Millitary locks requiring dual custody, all required a puncture paper. Basically just a thin piece of card, or paper, over the keyways that once the lock was closed, could not be moved out of the way, and would have to be damaged, to open the lock. Showing if the cylinders had been tampered with, or keys used etc.
Judging by short warranty and negotiable price, it's most probably a lock for some civilian industrial use. My reasoning: Civilian products usually had much longer warranty (in years, not months, or warranty wasn't even mentioned) Military products almost always had fixed price So civilian industry falls right in-between. Negotiable prices are allowed (cuz you'll probably be buying hundreds of them and some spare ones will be added into your order), and if something goes wrong within warranty, you can file a complaint to company that made those locks, so manufacturer lowers the warranty period. It's even probable that it was used not to keep some goods safe from thieves, but for keeping people safe by holding some mechanisms in place.
My guess would be that the point isn't the security as such, but the necessity of having 2 people present to open the lock. I know some heavy machinery uses this kind of thing where one person operates the machine but they aren't allowed to do so alone, this just ensures they have someone else with them. If they pick the lock and get killed then the company isn't liable anyway.
I see two scenarios this lock could have been used in: - A lock for "2-man mandatory" hazardous places like high-voltage fuse boxes, hazmat storage or as a lockout device for heavy machinery. In these cases, you are not allowed to work alone for safety reasons as you need someone to hit a "stop" switch or to call for help in the case of an accident. - Correctional facilities, as at least two people are required to convoy a prisoner. The lock is definitely a USSR production with new techdocs stamped in the early post-Soviet years while selling the old stocks of these locks.
Back in soviet time many factory's that made military stuff had a civil production too and on the first of May parade they could proudly announce: "Factory nr. 234 had made 21003 kettles the last year" and everybody in the city knew that the factory was production guns/tanks/mines/ or what ever kind of military gear, maybe the pluming gear was a side product to something else?
I love the videos showing us cool uncommon locks! I'm quickly becoming a pretty serious collector haha. Once I learned to pick, the hobby also turned into collecting oddities 🤣 the last thing I need is another collection but oh well....time to put up more lock shelves and show them off! Haha I have some "picked shelves" and some "naughty bucket shelves" 🤣 also a couple "wtf is that" lock shelves for those weird ones🤣
Clara Zetkin; German revolutionary and founding member of the Third Communist Internationale also known as the "Comintern". A true working class hero. FYI please keep these soviet locks coming! From your Puerto Rican Bolshevik fan.
You were right, Clara Zetkin was interesting. Back in WWI, she identified the industrial military complex and the perception that war primarily benefits that sector of the economy and manipulates people in society to fight against each other.
An utterly impressive woman for sure. Fought for woman's suffrage, co-founder of the German communist party, one of only three members of the Comintern that was willing to oppose Stalin, anti WWI activist, etc. Certainly someone that had clear moral guidelines and lived by them, no matter who pushed against it. If more socialists back then had been like her, Fascism and even Stalinism would have had it much harder.
Mostly like used as a safety lockout to isolate a mains supply while separate work is taken place. Mostly for a main valve or electric circuit. That way supply can not be restored until both jobs are done.
My understanding is that in Soviet Russia most apartments did not have pin tumbler locks (I guess they were warded locks?) Which means that by Soviet standards two pin tumbler locks is advanced technology. When I was in Russia in 1997 most apartments had i) what I think was a warded lock, and ii) a pin tumbler lock ... but the pin tumbler locks all looked new. I think they were introduced after the fall of communism or in the 1980s.
If I were to guess, people who were skilled at picking locks in old soviet Russia were more likely to be thrown into labor camps than employed designing more secure locks.
I haven’t heard or used the term “new old stock” or “NOS” for a while. Used to use it all the time when listing vintage stuff on eBay (my first job), it’s amazing what my boss found that was in NOS condition.
Names of arms manufacturing plants in USSR were often something like "sanitation equipment production" or "tractors factory". So manufacturer being vague is a hint towards military, not against it in certain way ^^
It says "Акционерное общество" ("joint-stock company"). First joint-stock companies appeared in USSR during Perestroika in 1987-1988. Definitely not before Gorbachev who came to power in 1985. Most likely it's 1993, not 1983. Therefore, it's not a Cold War Era lock, neither it's a Soviet one.
It can't have been used for vodka it's too easy to break into. Russians take alcohol security seriously. To keep strong alcohol in the house there must be a booze safe which can stand up to 2 kilotons of directed explosive force without failing.
Thanks, and I will. I have another big Soviet dual custody lock... this one with disc detainer cores. The seller (ezdigo2) still has a few on ebay. FWIW, I have a much older Soviet dual custody lock inbound that I'll feature upon receipt.
I've seen many of these locks used to secure garage doors. But I'm not sure if it was the main purpose of the lock. BTW you might be right about military usage, plumbing supply company was just picked by USSR government to manufacture these things due to low manufacring load or to improve local product manufacturing rate in bulk.
1993 is well after cold war, lol. Probably it was intended for new russuan small businessmen (judging by the age of production) who in that time often owns a storage together with someone else, this can be used to access goods in store with consent of both owners. As you saw, it's not very pick-resistant, but it's resistant to brute force (to some extent).
Hi Harry, What an interesting shutter lock! Doesn't appear designed for a heavy chain, probably a couple of fixed hasps due to the narrow gap. Anyway, disappointing in the lock cylinder department, but what a great find. Thanks for showing. Regards, Brian.
These were used to close transformer booth, by the protocol any maintenance should be done in pairs, due to hazard of one person being electrocuted and not able to switch power off.
They painted the lock with the key inserted to prevent paint from getting inside the lock. As for the security. If the door or whatever is secured by this lock, is also guarded, picking it would be no option.
In 80's in Russia was period called "zastoy" = stagnation. Many of factories produce useless things like this locks because of "planned economy" and just store it in stock. This locks was produced but toilet paper not. This is USSR crash in a nutshell. My father served airborne in this period and i ask him does he saw this locks, he answered "no".
I think this Lock is placed in a secure place and the lock it self only should make sure that 2 persons who allowed gain access. No one is able to pick this lock because there is someone that is watching.
santechpribor actually means sanitary technological appliance . it is most likely for warehouses and infrastructure secure spaces. and overall problem with any new device in soviet union is there is literary no competition or open market, no QA or budget for anything. goal almost everywhere was manufacturing with no extra expense and that's it
Прикольный замок если нужно например закрыть 1 гараж, который принадлежит двум разным людям. Но в плане защиты он был бы круче, если бы механизмы поворота внутри были бы связаны шестернями. Что бы нельзя было повернуть один из них без одновременного поворота другого
Maybe security isn't really the point? It was made by a plumbing supply company, maybe it's the Soviet version of Lock-Out Tag-Out? The lock is placed to prevent power being turned on, or valve being opened while the system is being serviced, and only the technicians who are doing the service can re-open the lock, preventing their being harmed. Master Lock makes something out of plastic and aluminum, with a hasp to facilitate multiple locks to lock out a single switch or valve. But if you only need to protect a 2 man team and don't want to use plastic...
Hi, love your videos, this channel is probably the fastest I've subscribed to once it was known to me. Keep up the good work! This particular video was just suggested to me by YT and got me thinking about a possible "history" lesson from you. It would be interesting to see in a chronological type way roughly when security elements came into effect, and as a follow up where they are today or even major improvements made along the way. Is this something you have done or may consider doing? Thanks again, and have a nice day!
The inertial guidance system for the Titan II missile system was built by AC Spark plug, so a plumbing company supplying military needs doesn't surprise me.
The idea of two keys, or more, could definitely be useful of reasons similar to why the Soviets used them. Sometimes you just cannot trust a single person.
It was to lock away the toilet roll,when they had a shortage crisis. At that time the lock was a advancement in tech and was satisfactory for the job and not much in the way of tools and knowledge back then
To prevent black market corruption from insider crimes on consumer goods such as shoes or toilet paper or food. Trains or trucks or storage bins are secured. Factories can refit or have dual operations as we learned from ww2. It is normal because it is all metal work..
Depends what the mechanism is that enforces that rule. For instance, if there's a spring that pushes the lock closed unless there's someone holding it open, you could just use a bit of tape or something to hold the lock in place while you pick the other one.
Corporation (joint stock company) is the best translation I got. I understand why you might think this wouldn't exist under the soviet system, but I believe you are incorrect. See the following: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprises_in_the_Soviet_Union Or is there something that I'm missing?
Actually, I see what you meen, but you've misunderstood me. I wanted to say that it's not just an enterprice, but a capitalistic enterprice - "Акционерное" means that there is a way to purchase "акции" of the company (I don't know the english word for this, but those are precious papers, having which means that you own a part of that company), and in USSR that was illegal.
I don't know enough to comment... But unless the paperwork I received is fraudulent, there must be some explanation. Russia in 1983 was part of the USSR. Maybe the stock (ownership paper for a part of a company) was owned by government entities/foreign partners... something like that.
I must confirm Abel. In USSR joint stock companies existed only at the very beginning in 1920s or after 1990. The passport is a post-USSR production. The "negotiable price" is another hint, since in USSR fixed price tag was stamped on all industrial products. The last hint is "republic of Tatarstan". In USSR its official name was Autonomous Soviet Socialistic Republic of Tatarstan - "Татарская АССР" or simply "TACCP". The main mystery is the packing year stamp. The form is almost definitely printed after 1991, but the stamp says 1983. It could be a mistake and the actual date was 1993...
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ok, let me just run down the list:
-custom gun owner
-lawyer
-absurdly good at picking locks
-wife speaks fluent russian
you are an extraordinarily interesting person
Wulfrvm definitely a soviet agent............
With his tradecraft you would almost think FBI or U.S. Marshalls agent but I don't get that vibe.
100% a sleeper family
Bob Lee Swagger in the film Shooter, "the US government spent a lot of time and money teaching me not to die."
He is as a lawyer as dr Dre is a doctor.
Mysteriously gets possession of soviet artifacts
"An unimpressive 18 month warranty"
Something about criticizing the lack-luster warranty on a soviet lock really killed me.
Maybe he works in lemon law
Well, Soviets could file reclamations (if it's work stuff) of turn a product in for warranty repairs (if it's consumer stuff), as weird as it sounds )
2:04 I could imagine that they put the keys in the lock as a cheap way of protecting the lock's internals from paint that could drizzle in.
Would certainly speed up the production process and it would be easier to keep the keys with the lock they are made for without needing paperwork.
Ay if it works
this lock is used for large industrial main water and gas valves
If the sanitary-equipment-company made this lock, this seems probable to me that it was designed to protect huge valves. Believe me, the Russian army would not rely on something so easy to pick.
I would imagine some valves in a chemical plant, for instance, where dual custody would be advisable, like a tank with acid or something similar.
FUMaster You arent telling nothing that is not said in the video o in the Darren comment, smartass
@@ElGuatequero he did? He just told you what the lock is for
If I had to guess, the lock was probably for securing plant tools, one time use supplies like chemicals, or some night gaurd equipment. Something not super critical, but difficult to track down back in 1960-1988 if stolen by a single employee during one of the late shifts.
its cute that you think that the Russian army is so paranoid about theft. Ive had freinds and relatives serve and they say that the general rule in the army is everything gets stolen. One guy who worked as a tank engeeneer would often come back in the morning to find the engines of the tanks missing anf fuel never existed longer than 2 days. I doubt the officers that let this happen particularly cared about how "pickable the lock was"
"We've got a lot of work to do"
*30 seconds later*
"And we opened it up"
Nope it took 70 seconds
Lol
There were no Tatarstan Republic back to 1983, there was Tatar ASSR as part of RSFSR which become Russian Federation as we know it now at 1992, with Tatar Republic as federative member of Russian Federation. Also there could be no Joint Stock Companies before 1990th. So this lock is a product of conversion of JSC Satechpribor, which is now in bankruptcy process. You can search it here, there is some drone filming of what is left of it.
Also there could be no negotiable price, as ruble was comparably stable in Soviet times, and all goods has its price hard printed or engraved on them.
So it is definitely not cold war, but USSR collapse times. 1993 sounds more realistic.
Sounds sensible. The image of the date on the video might as easily be 1993 as 1983.
ASSR means Autonomous Soviet Socialist *Republic,* so it is plausible for this lock to be made in 1983.
SOVIET socialist republic, it was made in 1983 before the dissolution of the USSR on December 26, 1991.
@@adambrookens5459 There is "negotiable price" mark, that did not exists before collapse. So it is 1992+
It's definitely 1993, Republic of Tatarstan did not exist before february 1992
3:18 "we've got a lot of work..." -- picks the lock in 1.10 min ..while explaining :)) --
Well, I thought we did!
Hey, he *does* pick locks in around 20 seconds usually, so...
A Russian speaking wife and a man who can open any lock and is a lawyer. I'm glad he's on our side.
The fact that it was made by a "stock company" and that it has "negotiable price", there is no way it was produced in the Soviet Union. I think the date is actually 1993, when we already had modern Russia.
It's for sure made in 1993, at least because of mentioned industrial standard ("ГОСТ") issued only in 1980
@@MineKirs If it is issued in 1980, why can't it be from 1983?
@@MDP1702 only because I hadn't slept for a while before writing the previous comment )
Not everything was a fixed price.
I noticed that on a few other Soviet locks, the price was stamped into the metal, and this one has, "negotiable," written on paper. Wildly different, but it could be explained by differences in time or place to those others, I guess. It could also be from post Union times, idk hardly anything about it
I'm really surprised something like this doesn't operate on a mechanism that requires both mechanisms to be turned at the same time.
While still probably pickable, it would be a bigger pain in the ass.
or at least a spring mechanism inside the cylinders that would required more dexterity/ingenuity to keep the tension on the first cylinder while the other is attempted to be used as well.
I believe he picks another Soviet era two-man lock requiring simultaneous keysin another video. He had to do a partial pick on one keyhole and hold it in place while he picked the other and then just turned both tension wrenches at the same time.
@@Trevor_Hill which video number was this?
The requirement of simultaneous turn is pretty much moot if keyholes are less than 2m apart
What a lot of people here forget is that he is an expert at picking locks , thats why it looks easy , mTry it yourself and it will take a lot longer unless you have a knack for it
Thanks for letting me know about Clara Zetkin. Her history is interesting and she was a revolutionary comrade for sure. Sad I didn’t hear more about her before. Good to see you know a little bit of history that isn’t taught much.
Nice to hear about Clara Zetkin now we are close to march 8th. Thanks LPL and thanks algorithm for bringing up this video.
Best locks in soviet union were made by engineers and designers for their own/own'ish summerhouses and garages. Those are the masterpieces with all the goodies and tricks and safeties.
Examples? Links? I'd be very interested to learn about them.
@@lockpickinglawyer he should be speaking about smth like this
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@@lockpickinglawyer Also recommend this video
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about Russian way to keep thieves away )
@@enosunim English speaking users : Sorry, just use a Google translate. Thank You
Ты где такие видео нашел ? :) С последнего вообще посмеялся. Главное до конца досмотреть
In Soviet Russia, the lock picks you.
This one didn't. :-P
not realy but there was a cyberpunk scifi game where if you fail to hack the doors, the doors can in fact hack you back
Nice Yakov reference!
@@vladkh1068 I'm not sure you can trust official records from before 1990... (But it's true that criminality must have exploded with the void of power that came with the fall of the regime)
Lock: Human, I CHOOSE YOU
All your videos are strangely soothing and satisfying. I’ve been on a binge for about two hours😂
Genuinely suprising you made a point for people to check out Clara Zetkin, she is an underwhelmingly known figure. Good on you!
That was fun to read everything by yourself and then hear how English-speaking man translates and explains this.
Thanks.
My aunt used to lament that locks were meant to keep honest people out. I find that most people are intimidated by locks, no matter how simple. "Oh no! Two keys? We're never going to get through that." You'd need a die grinder, a compressor, and a mission statement to get through that shackle. It takes two keys to get through my front door.
As to being built by plumbers, you have to remember that the US has done the same thing. My .30 carbine was built by anyone with a machine shop during WWII, and it doesn't take a lot of skill to break down and clean. Postal workers keep giving me my neighbor's mail, but Postal Meter company was building rifles used through WWII, the Korean conflict, and into the Vietnam War.
True enough... but to be fair, it would be nice to make the dishonest people try harder.
You pic loc without comrade permission
Gulag it is
Its ok, gulag ..smoolag He can soon pick the locks and get out lol !
Also "ОСТ" Means regional standard pattern dated 1980.
As some other mentioned it might be post-soviet.
Price negotiable means different than those people said tho.
It means that product was not intended for sale to general public, instead it was ordered as a batch by other company/service/division.
What makes me think this exact lock is more like 1993 instead of 1983 is not that of company name, but that passport paper was not printed printing factory, but on early needle matrix printer, that were used with wide spread of PC after USSR collapsed.
It's possible that the paper is a forgery, but don't base that on the use of dot matrix.... they were in use for decades prior to 1983.
@@lockpickinglawyer Republic of Tatarstan had different name in 1983, which is Tatar ASSR. "Акционерное общество" means Joint-stock company. That was impossible in 1983. So, the lock was made in 1993.
It might've been produced in1983, but sold in 1993
No wonder his wife have a "destructive" way of opening the locked ice cream.
TPI or two person integrity is often used to secure highly classified items. Typically you would find it in a very secure area so this lock isn't used for deterring theft, rather to maintain integrity so that at least 2 people are there to keep each other honest.
What an interesting find ,love these old locks and always enjoy learning about them,great picking and thanks for sharing it with us brother!
About the company name. This is a standard Soviet naming for all manufacturing plants, and it doesn't really mean that company was doing plumbing. Also, every military plant was obliged to make some consumer products, like helicopter plants making pots and kettles.
For example, the "Machinery Design Bureau" aka KBM (in wiki) makes missiles, and the "central research institute of precise machinery" (TsNIITochMash, also in wiki) products are "precise" in more than one way
I must admit that I enjoy your videos simply because I get to see locks and other items that I have never seen before. Thank you.
I am always very impressed by your skills, but I am even more impressed by the fact that you've learned to read Cyrillic and even understand what some words mean. Bravo!
I love this channel, not much relaxes me more than picking a good lock
Most interesting man the world.
I don't pick locks often, but when I do, it takes about 30 seconds.
The inventor of this lock was from the Volgograd region and a very good friend of my wife’s family.
Mr lockpicker, send me a message and we can do a skype video and my wife can speak to yours in their native language. We have some magnificent stories about this lock.
Its main intent was foe people who had garages to keep their car locked and secured at their homes. It was a very big deal have a car and the normal locking mechanisms would be easily broken by the common thief. This lock was basically considered unbreakable at the time and You could only get this lock if you worked in this inventors factory. It was the factory known at Workshop #100....
Thanks for explicitly mentioning Clara Zetkin!
was for the lady's toilet block...
they always do that in pairs!
The first thing I thought was that it secured nuclear weapons. I hope not.
Well, you will be horrified to know that even if this was used for nukes, things are worse in the USA. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-man_rule#/media/File:SAS_Container.png
Oh my God. And here I thought Medecos were used in the US for that. Still, anything but those Master Lock combos...
Isn't master lock main supplier of locks to US military?
up until recently nueclear launch sotes all had the same launch code and it was preentered into the console you had to do was jit confirm to launch
A lock like this is more than enough for a military application if you also have 2 armed guards standing at the door.
I wasn't created for contr-breaching, it was used just to close a safe or a door from unautorised access in military building or somewhere like that, there people doesn't have tools to open it
So surprised that the "free world" does not have similar supplies if gas work designed industrial locks. Seems so sensible to good management. Stops industrial accidents.
My understanding is that a great many locks from the Soviet Union were dual custody locks in an attempt to cut down on corruption and theft. With the massive shortages in most basic systems, black markets thrived, and so even things we would not deem sensitive or important got extra security in an attempt to cut back on that.
"In an attempt to cut down on corruption and theft"
Shiiit. Maybe they should have put dual custody locks on their government officials
The Russian master Lock?
Perhaps... though I've seen some Soviet locks that are much, much worse.
The heroine of the GDR, there have been many parks and streets named after her across Deutschland.
This was used to secure all vodka producing factories. That’s why it’s never been used, they never close
Painted keys 😮. Wow, that's an approach to security 😂.
This lock was probably used as garage lock. At that time there was no need to have very secure locks, crime level was very low and was quite common not to lock doors in apartments and have a wooden doors, because it was quite safe to live. In the 90s the crime level grown up so much, that now people are still keep buying almost bullet proof metal doors with very safe locks even that crime level is much, much lower than in 90s.
I'm very surprised to find out that you know who Clara Zetkin is, and very happy that you treat her memory with the respect she deserves. Very educational video!
Can't say that I agree with her far left/socialist politics, but she was certainly an important historical figure and should IMO be remembered with respect for her contributions to women's rights.
I believe early communists from that period cannot be directly associated with the horror wrought by communist dictatorships... While communism is a failed philosophy and one I believe is contrary to human dignity, in that time period the excesses of monarchies and the existence of wage slavery/indentured servitude had an inevitable reaction. I think it's a reasonable position to take that the early Marxists were wrong, but their voice was a necessary one at the time.
Incidentally, just stumbled across your channel. Subscribed - as a tinkerer, locks fascinate me and I hope to learn to pick at some point.
Violet_Shift thanks for the sub, and welcome to the channel!
Violet_Shift Thats the thing with communism. "in a vacuum", its a fine ideology. But it doesn't work in situ in a progressive world, as it crashes hard with human nature.
thanks for typing her name out i kept spelling it wrong and google wasnt helping.
That particular company manufactured for mains water supplies, and sewage junctions. Pretty much any point along the journey of clean water supply, from the treatment plants, to where it's interesting and put back into say a river, lake or the ocean, if there's building, or part of a compound, which requires security, but is not under observation all day long, there's your lock for the job.
Soviet Millitary locks requiring dual custody, all required a puncture paper.
Basically just a thin piece of card, or paper, over the keyways that once the lock was closed, could not be moved out of the way, and would have to be damaged, to open the lock. Showing if the cylinders had been tampered with, or keys used etc.
In Soviet Russia, the plumbing maintenance cabinet has a two-man rule
Everything in Soviet Russia had the two man rule.
Judging by short warranty and negotiable price, it's most probably a lock for some civilian industrial use.
My reasoning:
Civilian products usually had much longer warranty (in years, not months, or warranty wasn't even mentioned)
Military products almost always had fixed price
So civilian industry falls right in-between. Negotiable prices are allowed (cuz you'll probably be buying hundreds of them and some spare ones will be added into your order), and if something goes wrong within warranty, you can file a complaint to company that made those locks, so manufacturer lowers the warranty period.
It's even probable that it was used not to keep some goods safe from thieves, but for keeping people safe by holding some mechanisms in place.
FYI: two man rule means dual custody in the banking industry. Love your channel. Fascinating.
My guess would be that the point isn't the security as such, but the necessity of having 2 people present to open the lock. I know some heavy machinery uses this kind of thing where one person operates the machine but they aren't allowed to do so alone, this just ensures they have someone else with them. If they pick the lock and get killed then the company isn't liable anyway.
Obviously it was made to secure the top quality vodca from the US......
Makes sense... priorities.
I see two scenarios this lock could have been used in:
- A lock for "2-man mandatory" hazardous places like high-voltage fuse boxes, hazmat storage or as a lockout device for heavy machinery. In these cases, you are not allowed to work alone for safety reasons as you need someone to hit a "stop" switch or to call for help in the case of an accident.
- Correctional facilities, as at least two people are required to convoy a prisoner.
The lock is definitely a USSR production with new techdocs stamped in the early post-Soviet years while selling the old stocks of these locks.
Just found your channel and man is it awesome! Love the content and def earned a new sub!
Thanks, and welcome to the channel... thanks for the sub also. Hope to see you around.
Back in soviet time many factory's that made military stuff had a civil production too and on the first of May parade they could proudly announce: "Factory nr. 234 had made 21003 kettles the last year" and everybody in the city knew that the factory was production guns/tanks/mines/ or what ever kind of military gear, maybe the pluming gear was a side product to something else?
I love the videos showing us cool uncommon locks! I'm quickly becoming a pretty serious collector haha. Once I learned to pick, the hobby also turned into collecting oddities 🤣 the last thing I need is another collection but oh well....time to put up more lock shelves and show them off! Haha I have some "picked shelves" and some "naughty bucket shelves" 🤣 also a couple "wtf is that" lock shelves for those weird ones🤣
Clara Zetkin; German revolutionary and founding member of the Third Communist Internationale also known as the "Comintern". A true working class hero.
FYI please keep these soviet locks coming!
From your Puerto Rican Bolshevik fan.
Such an intriguing lock you've got there, a conversation piece for sure.
Thanks... agreed.
Is it just me that watches these and thinks that he sounds like a dentist when picking the locks?
You were right, Clara Zetkin was interesting. Back in WWI, she identified the industrial military complex and the perception that war primarily benefits that sector of the economy and manipulates people in society to fight against each other.
An utterly impressive woman for sure. Fought for woman's suffrage, co-founder of the German communist party, one of only three members of the Comintern that was willing to oppose Stalin, anti WWI activist, etc. Certainly someone that had clear moral guidelines and lived by them, no matter who pushed against it. If more socialists back then had been like her, Fascism and even Stalinism would have had it much harder.
4:39 he didn't even bother putting the keys all the way back in before turning them
No reason to. The pins are all where they need to be until it's rotated back to locked.
We used to pick these locks and fire ICBMs for fun if the weekend movie was bad.
Mostly like used as a safety lockout to isolate a mains supply while separate work is taken place. Mostly for a main valve or electric circuit. That way supply can not be restored until both jobs are done.
+TheGhostAvatar Could be... but was LOTO a thing in the Soviet Union in the 80s?
"We have a lot of work"
Proceeds to pick the lock in 1 minute
My understanding is that in Soviet Russia most apartments did not have pin tumbler locks (I guess they were warded locks?) Which means that by Soviet standards two pin tumbler locks is advanced technology.
When I was in Russia in 1997 most apartments had i) what I think was a warded lock, and ii) a pin tumbler lock ... but the pin tumbler locks all looked new. I think they were introduced after the fall of communism or in the 1980s.
This guy is the Ian McCallum of locks.
If I were to guess, people who were skilled at picking locks in old soviet Russia were more likely to be thrown into labor camps than employed designing more secure locks.
I was born in Soviet Union and I remember this lock from childhood, mostly as all people we used this lock to close garage(car place).
Regardless of its actual use, it's still a cool lock and a piece of history of the time! 👍
Agreed, thanks.
I haven’t heard or used the term “new old stock” or “NOS” for a while. Used to use it all the time when listing vintage stuff on eBay (my first job), it’s amazing what my boss found that was in NOS condition.
A spring loaded core would make this a better lock, not by much, but better
Maybe, but like you say, not by much.
My dad had this padlock in 90s on our garage door.
According to the paperwork it's rather 90s than cold war era. In 1983 everything was yet government, no AO.
Names of arms manufacturing plants in USSR were often something like "sanitation equipment production" or "tractors factory". So manufacturer being vague is a hint towards military, not against it in certain way ^^
I’m ready for the weekend so I can binge watch LockPickingLawyer
It says "Акционерное общество" ("joint-stock company"). First joint-stock companies appeared in USSR during Perestroika in 1987-1988. Definitely not before Gorbachev who came to power in 1985.
Most likely it's 1993, not 1983. Therefore, it's not a Cold War Era lock, neither it's a Soviet one.
There was no Tatarstan in USSR :) It was called Tatarskaya ASSR back then. Also the paper slip was made in Slovo i Delo MS-DOS editor.
Maybe its used to lock an safety deposit box or electrical box, im not sure but its soviet maybe lock for vodka cabinet?
I like to think vodka. :-)
So you could get drunk only with your comrades but not alone? Great idea tovarisch!
The 2 keys might actualy back the vodka therory- 2 keys so that you always need atelast 1 persons company to drink with
do you use nukes with vodka or do you use vodka with nukes
It can't have been used for vodka it's too easy to break into. Russians take alcohol security seriously. To keep strong alcohol in the house there must be a booze safe which can stand up to 2 kilotons of directed explosive force without failing.
This is such a great lock. Such an interesting find. If you ever find another one, I'd love to know about it :-)
Thanks, and I will. I have another big Soviet dual custody lock... this one with disc detainer cores. The seller (ezdigo2) still has a few on ebay. FWIW, I have a much older Soviet dual custody lock inbound that I'll feature upon receipt.
Thank you! Sadly the only locks left have dual Abloy-like keys, so I think not. Might follow seller though just in case :-)
I've seen many of these locks used to secure garage doors. But I'm not sure if it was the main purpose of the lock. BTW you might be right about military usage, plumbing supply company was just picked by USSR government to manufacture these things due to low manufacring load or to improve local product manufacturing rate in bulk.
That's a fine piece of paper you have there
**stamp**
Glory to Arstotzka!
I saw similar to this kind of padlocks in a library in late 90s, as well as some bureaucratic institutions.
1993 is well after cold war, lol.
Probably it was intended for new russuan small businessmen (judging by the age of production) who in that time often owns a storage together with someone else, this can be used to access goods in store with consent of both owners. As you saw, it's not very pick-resistant, but it's resistant to brute force (to some extent).
Hi Harry, What an interesting shutter lock! Doesn't appear designed for a heavy chain, probably a couple of fixed hasps due to the narrow gap. Anyway, disappointing in the lock cylinder department, but what a great find. Thanks for showing. Regards, Brian.
Agreed -- It certainly looks like it has a specific purpose. I only wish I knew what it was.
These were used to close transformer booth, by the protocol any maintenance should be done in pairs, due to hazard of one person being electrocuted and not able to switch power off.
Is that the actual use, or an educated guess?
They painted the lock with the key inserted to prevent paint from getting inside the lock. As for the security. If the door or whatever is secured by this lock, is also guarded, picking it would be no option.
In 80's in Russia was period called "zastoy" = stagnation. Many of factories produce useless things like this locks because of "planned economy" and just store it in stock. This locks was produced but toilet paper not. This is USSR crash in a nutshell. My father served airborne in this period and i ask him does he saw this locks, he answered "no".
This one is made after the USSR collapse. As according to paperwork it is made by a private company. Probably they have made a mistake and it is 1993
I think this Lock is placed in a secure place and the lock it self only should make sure that 2 persons who allowed gain access. No one is able to pick this lock because there is someone that is watching.
Either someone is always watching, or it is guarding something very low security. Nothing else makes sense (unless the security just sucks).
That lock was made on the same day I was born!!!!
santechpribor actually means sanitary technological appliance . it is most likely for warehouses and infrastructure secure spaces. and overall problem with any new device in soviet union is there is literary no competition or open market, no QA or budget for anything. goal almost everywhere was manufacturing with no extra expense and that's it
Прикольный замок если нужно например закрыть 1 гараж, который принадлежит двум разным людям. Но в плане защиты он был бы круче, если бы механизмы поворота внутри были бы связаны шестернями. Что бы нельзя было повернуть один из них без одновременного поворота другого
Maybe security isn't really the point? It was made by a plumbing supply company, maybe it's the Soviet version of Lock-Out Tag-Out? The lock is placed to prevent power being turned on, or valve being opened while the system is being serviced, and only the technicians who are doing the service can re-open the lock, preventing their being harmed. Master Lock makes something out of plastic and aluminum, with a hasp to facilitate multiple locks to lock out a single switch or valve. But if you only need to protect a 2 man team and don't want to use plastic...
Locks are only there to keep honest men honest.
Hi, love your videos, this channel is probably the fastest I've subscribed to once it was known to me. Keep up the good work!
This particular video was just suggested to me by YT and got me thinking about a possible "history" lesson from you. It would be interesting to see in a chronological type way roughly when security elements came into effect, and as a follow up where they are today or even major improvements made along the way. Is this something you have done or may consider doing? Thanks again, and have a nice day!
I'd like to see this
Reminder there were no companies. There were districts in the state governments in 1985
The inertial guidance system for the Titan II missile system was built by AC Spark plug, so a plumbing company supplying military needs doesn't surprise me.
Wow what a beast! Very well picked👍
Thanks.
The idea of two keys, or more, could definitely be useful of reasons similar to why the Soviets used them. Sometimes you just cannot trust a single person.
This lock was not meant to secure anything dangerous, it was designed simply to look intimidating to amateurs
It's probably to secure a load of goods, so they don't "fall off the truck".
That lockpicking actually kind of aroused me. You are awesome at it!
It was to lock away the toilet roll,when they had a shortage crisis. At that time the lock was a advancement in tech and was satisfactory for the job and not much in the way of tools and knowledge back then
To prevent black market corruption from insider crimes on consumer goods such as shoes or toilet paper or food. Trains or trucks or storage bins are secured. Factories can refit or have dual operations as we learned from ww2. It is normal because it is all metal work..
imagine if both of the locks needed to be turned at the same time, would basically make it impossible for pick for one single human right?
Half_Finis in theory
Depends what the mechanism is that enforces that rule. For instance, if there's a spring that pushes the lock closed unless there's someone holding it open, you could just use a bit of tape or something to hold the lock in place while you pick the other one.
yes, it would mean that the lock picker would need to come with much more equipment or at least slow them down a bit more.
It's definitely not a soviet lock, cause it was made by an "Акционерное общество". I don't know how to say it in English, but trust me, I'm Russian)).
Corporation (joint stock company) is the best translation I got. I understand why you might think this wouldn't exist under the soviet system, but I believe you are incorrect. See the following: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprises_in_the_Soviet_Union Or is there something that I'm missing?
Actually, I see what you meen, but you've misunderstood me. I wanted to say that it's not just an enterprice, but a capitalistic enterprice - "Акционерное" means that there is a way to purchase "акции" of the company (I don't know the english word for this, but those are precious papers, having which means that you own a part of that company), and in USSR that was illegal.
I don't know enough to comment... But unless the paperwork I received is fraudulent, there must be some explanation. Russia in 1983 was part of the USSR. Maybe the stock (ownership paper for a part of a company) was owned by government entities/foreign partners... something like that.
I dunno, maybe you're right
I must confirm Abel.
In USSR joint stock companies existed only at the very beginning in 1920s or after 1990.
The passport is a post-USSR production. The "negotiable price" is another hint, since in USSR fixed price tag was stamped on all industrial products.
The last hint is "republic of Tatarstan". In USSR its official name was Autonomous Soviet Socialistic Republic of Tatarstan - "Татарская АССР" or simply "TACCP".
The main mystery is the packing year stamp. The form is almost definitely printed after 1991, but the stamp says 1983. It could be a mistake and the actual date was 1993...
Got to lockup those janitor closets!