🔴 New Leica SL Lenses vs Lumix | Summicron-SL 35mm & 50mm
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Thanks for showing more raw, unedited photos and videos, rather than always applying them Mr Leica presets. Gives us a real opportunity to see how lenses and cameras perform before processing, as not everyone edits with such a heavy hand. Hope this trend continues. Thanks for content and videos over the years. Thanks!
Thanks MJB, noted! ..thanks for mentioning
I believe Ansel Adams was writing to Edward Weston and told him to stop down his aperture for shaper pictures instead of buying new expensive lenses
Ha thanks Kevin! True or not that's funny :)
The quality of "cheap" lenses seems to be very excellent, not that much different from a more corrected version.
Yes correct!
Fascinating Matt thanks for sharing. Also great photos as always.
Thanks Richard!
Excellent information! Thanks so much Matt!
Thanks Lucy!
thanks for this great review yet again! the colors of the lumix are fantastic! such modern rendering, very different to the vintage colors im getting from my 50 nokton. i am contemplating on getting a 50mm for my street photography, but also you mentioned investing on lighting which is equally important since i do a lot of portait photography as well 🤔
Hey Joe, thanks. Get a light first! ;)
Great video Matt. I find Leicas lack of publicity around the new lenses almost smacking of embarrassment. Aside from one Italian photographer promoting the lenses there has been nothing I've seen. The price difference is astonishing for what appears to be a metal body and hood on the Leica versions. When I shot on Sony (which I never enjoyed) my favourite lens was the 55mm f1.8. So I'm more than interested in these panasonic offerings. Sure we love Leica and we accept there will be a premium on their products but this is obscene. The real value appears to be retained in their M lenses. The autofocus lenses just tank second hand. All the best, Dave
Thanks Dave! Yes I tend not to buy L mount lenses (Lumix was cheap to tick a box) but i'm happy to invest in M/LTM glass.. (Stay tuned on that!)
Great review Matt! I'm no Sigma fan but put them in the loop. I was impressed how they deliver. Specially 65mm and the 35.
Thanks Irmie! Yes agree those Sigmas are great performers, and the 90. Better made than Lumix, cheaper than Leica!
Great Video!!! I love my LUMIX lenses on my sigma fp L, nice to hear that they’re comparable to much more expensive lenses. Other RUclipsrs have dismissed them as “video lenses”, probably judging them based on price and weight.
Thanks James, no problem! Happy to give them some well deserved love (optically).
There's actually a video out there comparing the 50/2 Leica and 50/1.8 Panasonic which showed that Leica performs better on sides and corners...although that may attribute to manufacturing tolerances and/or sample variations so one can infer that the price difference also partly went to better QC (but yeah most of it goes to Leica's profit margin)...as for the APO, you are paying extra for the Apochromatic lenses for better correction of CAs. this benefit would be apparent on close focus and wide-open with high-contrast subjects...less LoCA and veiling...also note that the APO variants can focus closer as well (35cm vs 45cm for the 50, 27cm vs 24cm for the 35).
Hi Dexter, thank you. Yes I linked the video at the end. That why I say at the start if you stop down you don't need the Leica ASPH for real world use. For centre sharpness (as I use them) they are the same hence I use the Lumix. Agree about APO. I have tested the 50 APO, see that video.
Really cool Matt thanks. I’ve got 3 Lumix primes and they’re quality.
Thank you! Yes the Lumix do great photos for the money
Love it Matt! I sincerely believe that the Leica DNA made its way into those prime Panasonics. They have the "pop" to my eye.
Hey Vic! Thanks so much. Yes that Leica 5% of magic fairy dust will make a difference to out of camera shots I think
Great idea❤
Thanks!
ok thank u just placed an order for the 50mm, so thanks to u saved few $$$ 🤣
Haha thanks, enjoy!
Hi Matt, I have recently bought the Leica 50mm Summicron ASPH, I also have Sigma L mount lenses and also the Leica SL 90mmAPO as well as previously owning the Panasonic 85mm f1.8. Interesting as your review is, what is not mentioned is that Leica have their own lens coating and colour science, this makes these lenses different no matter how much everyone wants to bag out Leica as copying either Sigma or Panasonic in this case. The Leica lenses have a look to them that the Sigma and Panasonic do not have, to my mind it is a much more pleasing look. The new Leica 50mm is super sharp with great colour and bokeh but even it is not up to the stellar quality of the 90mmAPO. You do get what you pay for. Thanks.
Hi Bill thank you! I think there was a slide in the video mentioning the AquaDura Leica coating but I didn't cover it in much detail. Yes Leica add their "magic sauce" which should give you that extra 5% but for B&W work and once i've added a preset there is minimal difference. If you saw my 90APO video I agree that is stellar, no question. (If I had the cash I would buy the 50ASPH/35 ASPH but for my needs and occasional use of AF lenses the cheap Lumix works. (I still prefer M glass on my various bodies).
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Hi Matt, I know that you are a Leica user and you understand the differences in the lenses, I doubt that the difference is just an extra 5% however. My point is, I get fed up constantly hearing the "this is a Sigma lens design " or "this is a Panasonic lens design" from people who are mostly just angry that Leica lenses cost so much money. Yes they are very expensive and yes, you do get more quality from them than most of the other third party lenses give you but you do pay a lot more for them, this is no different from any luxury item be it watches or cars. You use what you use because it suits you and I respect that, at the end of the day let's all just go out and take photo's with whatever gear we choose to use and let others use what they choose to use without all the noise !
@@billgreen4514 thanks Bill, agreed. I might be doing a video on this in the future. For people that want the very best, buy Leica. 👍🏻
You sound like the angry one, Bill
Another useful and practical review .Thank you. I was so disappointed with the AF on my SL2s (I shoot a lot of action (horses) ) that other than a Panasonic 70 -200 I haven`t invested in any full frame glass. I either use my existing M lenses or my CL lenses. Obviously there is the reduced pixel count with L glass but the primes are good and light and the 55-135 covers a useful range for my purposes.
Thanks and sorry to hear it. You could try the SL2 + CL lenses so you have more MP. I have contacts that love this combo (though I can't comment on the AF speed) (Leica cameras are not the best for speeding horses, you could try to zone focus I guess).
Thanks Matt, interesting test
Thanks Kev! Yes closer than expected
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom on your review I’ve got the LUMIX 50 and very happy with it on the CL. Thanks 👍
@@kevinbeacham1768 congrats!
Great video, as always, Matt, although you may need to start calling yourself something other than Mr Leica moving forward. According to an interview with Peter Karbe (the Head of Optics at Leica) the new ASPH lens optical formula is actually based on the S lenses from Panasonic but they have improved and modified individual lens elements and coatings inside and then manufactured them by hand to much tighter tolerances, using metal as opposed to plastic materials. The net result is a heavier but more stable set of lenses, but as to whether that justifies the highly inflated prices is a matter of personal choice. I personally own the Panasonic S mount lenses, which I use with a Panasonic S5 as well as a Leica TL2 and CL (purchased partly on your recommendation - thanks), and they are great. They are held back only slightly by the now outdated contrast auto focus, but I'm assuming the upcoming Leica SL3 will have the new phase detect auto focus currently offered in the Panasonic S5ii. I'll look forward to your review of that. Keep up the great work.
Thanks Gregg! Yes I keep find myself bashing Leica recently. I don't mean to I just try to support the best value offerings. Yes perhaps the name needs to change going forward (though the blog is 100% geared up around it since 2013). Thanks for your grear insight. That was my understanding but you're specifics are valuable so thanks. Sigma lenses feel nicer than Lumix but the LUmix ones can give nice photos. Yes interesting times for Leica AF with the S5ii release and SL3 to come.
I am a big fan of the Lumix Prime Lenses, I currently own almost every single one of them (18,35,50 and 85), and currently using them on the S5iix. I also use it with the Leica CL, which will give me an awesome two camera + two lenses setup when travelling, which actually gives me 4 focal lengths in total, for example if i bring the 18 and 35 , I could put the 18 on the CL to get 28, and put the 35 on the CL to get 50, which will give me 18,28,35,and 50 of 24 megapixel goodness! I also noticed that the autofocus of these Lumix lenses feel much faster on the CL compared to any other L-Mount Lenses, including Leica's own APO/ TL APSC lenses, which is mind blowing given the lack of Phase Detect in the CL. I wonder if this was your conclusion as well?
Great stuff! Yes the lightweight plastic construction makes these lenses great on the CL. I've not used them together a huge amount as I normally shoot MF metal Voigtlander lenses (or Leica or vintage etc) but I agree with your setup for 2 FL from each lens. I've done this in the past and for weddings.
I am appalled at size of New lenses. Big and heavy as my Pentax 6x7! 67mm filters! Absurbed. Glad I stayed with my 50mm LEITZ Summicron f2! In end glamour shots really don't need APO!
Hi Jason! Yes you can really appreciate small M glass next to big AF lenses like the SL APO ..and yes models don't want APO :)
Hi, Thanks for sharing .
I shoot with Panasonic S5II (outside) and Leica SL2 (studio) with the Lumix trilogy and these lenses are amazingly good.
I’ll buy the Lumix 70-200 f2.8 too ..
I’ve also the Leica 24-70, beautiful piece of lenses 😅.
For my M-P240, I’ve Leica, Zeiss, 7Artisans and Voigtlander lenses.
Wow nice setup! I hope you joined my Leica club (link on blog homepage!) :D
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom hi Matt, already joined and I plan to join workshop too.
@@gam3955 Fantastic. I look forward to meeting you!
You should visit a Garden Centre or your local Barber Shop and
have the forest trimmed, which grows out of your ears.
Haha thanks Jaco :)
Great vid Matt and thanks for confirming my choice. I will get the Leica 35mm Summicron as it fits what I want as a walk around on my SL2-S. Had an opportunity to get a used 50mm APO for £1950 (ridiculous right!) but didn’t buy as it’s just too big and heavy and I prefer slightly less sharp lenses. Plastic not for me m8! Bests Ken
Thanks Ken, nice! You should have got the APO anyway at that price! ;) .. yes the Lumix feel very cheap.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom hmmmm yes I know but I got a huge moral slap from Hugh “huge” Browstone so I bottled it. He was 😑 wrong I should have bought it….🐑
Hi thank you I will just stay with what I have for now, I will just take that SL lens money and a nice trip some were.
Great idea. You get better photos from trips than new lenses!
They really are very similar. I got to thinking it may go along the lines of what chip manufacturers do. Perhaps there's a binning processes, with the higher grade components going to the Lecia lenses and the lower grade ones for the Panasonics?
No it’s purely same optics in different barrel + different coatings
Sadly no money saved. 😎 I only shoot Leica M and R cameras. Be that as it may, I always enjoy your videos. Always looking to learn something.
Ah sorry Don! :) ..and thanks!
Thanks for a great video. I got the Sigma 35mm f1.2. How would it factor in your 35mm lens decision?
Thanks, 1.2 are normally very nice but much bigger. I used the big 50mm Art lens (see video) and got nice results. The 1.2 should win in theory.
Good video which just conforts me in my previous thought. Leica is very good but very expensive and should be dedicated to very demanding and rich users. When using a Leica SL (or Panasonic s1 which is very similar) no need to use Leica lenses. Panasonic and Sigma do very nice lenses far more affordable.
Thanks yes Sigma lenses especially offer a nice middle ground. Nicely made, good optics.
I try the sigma art 35mm 1.2 probably the best 35mm L mount only this lens heavy but if you are 35mm guy and don’t mind the weight then you won’t be disappointed. Leica M lenses are best but for L mount then you have many others alternatives lens to replace Leica . I love the Panasonic L mount lenses , you won’t disappointed with the S pro lenses , look like they bought a copy right of Leica glass and made the plastic housing instead metal .
Thanks! Good tip snd agree the Pro lenses are better made.
I own a Leica SL-2s and a Lumix S5-II. The problem I have with the Panasonic 50/85 lenses is the color rendition. These look perfect on an S5, with beautiful summicron-like colors. However, on an SL-2s the Panasonic lenses give me an ugly brownish/purplish tint. This happens with every S lens on an SL-2S, and doesn't happen with Sigma / adapted M lenses etc. Have you experienced anything like that?
Interesting, I’ve not seen this but i probs my missed it as a mostly B&W shooter.
I sort of believe you because Fuji are also notorious for putting a dsp on the image sensor (boosting the character of their own lenses). I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s why the lumix lenses are cheaper - pulling a play out of the smartphone camera maker’s playbook (by seriously cheaping out on the optics)
How does the 50 lumix perform in terms of sharpness center/corners vs the Voigtlander 50 Apo Lanthar on a SL body? Thank you
Hi Danilo, i've not compared but watch the APO vs APO video I did, the Voigtlander VM matched the Leica SL APO in real world use so should beat the Lumix (different beasts, the Lumix is crappy plastic but can take nice photos, the VM is a proper lens can than be used on film and digital).
I have no issue whipping out the plastic to buy the plastic. Thanks for this video. This is extremely useful to me. The Panny 50mm shots you did look amazing to me. Or maybe it’s the quality of models. Ugh. Envy you 😂
Ha thanks Pete! You have a plane! Most will envy you! :D
Would you consider adding in the sigma 35mm f2 dg dn c, 35mm 1.4 dg dn art, 35 1.2 dg dn art and 50mm f1.4 dg dn art. I heard that for 35mm at least, even the dg dn c version is sharper than the f2 and f1.8 Panasonic and Leica (not apo) counterpart.
Great question Ralph, I have no doubt that the Sigma DG DN will be as sharp or sharper (see that video).
A friend of mine told me that, if I did not like the edge sharpness of a lens, I should take five steps back, shoot the frame, and crop the edges off in Photoshop. I didn’t know what to say.
If you have plenty of MP you can. I wouldn’t on my 24MP
I wonder what if the lens coatings are the same?
You have more guts than I do balancing those expensive lenses on that railing. LOL
Hey Michael, no Leica add their magic dust aka, AquaDura coating so that gives you the 5% improvement over Lumix. (They were not my lenses on the rail which makes it worse!)
How's about auto focus comparing new Leica 35 F2 ASPH and Lumix 35mm f1.8? I would appreciate for your opinion in term of speed and accuracy of auto focus system.
Hi Peter, they should be near identical for AF speed but I can't confirm. It's only reall the body and coatings that differ.
Thank you so much, those observations and results confirmed what many people have suspected for some time. For around a year I have been very impressed by the output from my Lumix S5, which originally came supplied with both the 20-60mm kit lens and 50mm f/1.8 model shown here. Earlier today, Amazon was selling the 35mm f/1.8 lens for £299, so I bought one. These lenses are optically very good, but Panasonic has also made enormous strides with its colours, which in the early days of micro four thirds looked just plain dull. I don't particularly enjoy the viewfinder experience because the camera resembles a computer at times, but I can tolerate that when the images files are so good.
Thanks Michael! Yes these lenses are excellent (I guess that had to be for Leica to do their own version!). I'd recommend used Leica SL cameras if you want a MUCH better viewfinder. I really don't like my S5 finder. That's why I now use it mostly for YT videos (even though it can take good photos).
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks Matt, I'm glad it's not just me who objects to the camera to eye to brain experience with Panasonic, amongst others. Ironically, my first proper camera was a Panasonic Lumix G1, but I gravitated towards DSLRs and currently own four full-frame Canons plus an 'R'. But the 'L' mount has impressed me and I might follow your example in the future.
@@MichealSeaghdha the G1 was my first real camera too! I used vintage glass on it and the Nokton 40mm f1.4 which was THE lens that got me into Leica!
If you saw last nights video I just went one step better than the SL EVF. I bought a M10 for a proper optical VF experience. I’ll let you know how I get on in future videos!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom My goodness, that would probably be my dream camera but it's out of reach. I recently purchased a 1Dx with approximately 1,000 on the clock and I genuinely connect with that one, as well as the 5D3. I'll seek out your latest video with envy.
haha! I legit have a lumix 50 1.8 in my cart online haha thanks Matt!
Nice Robert! The best value AF lens for Leica out there, just very plastic!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I dont mind plastic , I just need an AF lens with weather sealing for my 601, Canadian weather is harsher than Portugal by a smidgeon :)
how do you explain the f2 vs f1.8 from Sigma? and as you don't really answer in the video, do you actually believe they offer similar results? (beyond sufficient results) thanks
For 35mm Sigma makes their 35mm f2 DG DN and than feels better made than Lumix S lenses and can probably easily match in terms of sharpness. See the Sigma 35mm video I did.
I realise the video is really about comparing the two different Leica versions and the Panasonic. Therefore understandably no mention of Sigma. All of the Leica L mount lenses are too expensive and too big/heavy for me, so I only shoot Sigma. I have become not a fan of Panasonic having owned a couple of bodies and a couple of lenses in the past.
Thanks Chris, the new Leica SL lenses are a decent weight and Sigma are nicer made than Lumix
can you do a video about new l-mount lenses on the cl?
They work just the same just with 1.5 crop (and even less vignetting)
Is there really anyone who needs the added 1% of sharpness in the corners for ±3k extra? I always wonder apart from enthousiasts if there are professional photographers that can make pictures with this that they couldn't a couple of years ago with older lenses. Even though it's nice to know that the offer is there if you really want it :)
Thanks Thomas.. my thoughts too but if people want the best the SL APO lenses give it!
Same as the Leica 24-70 f/2.8 which is a modified Sigma design. Not a bad lens, surely. And the same will be true with these Lumix clones. I'm just really disappointed that Leica now has almost as many copied lenses in it's portfolio for the L mount as original designs. And even when you add up all of them ... Sigma has more lenses for the L mount in the i-series alone, not to mention all the Art lenses on top.
The Lumix S lenses are amazing and give up no quality in real world shots. Leica go on about their magical fairy dust but the images from Panasonic have that special zing as well. OK they are plastic but metal doesn't make the lenses better. In a fully automatic lens the point is moot. (If we had an aperture ring and manual focus that would be a different matter. Still not worth the difference in cash, however.)
Personally I would prefer much smaller lenses. That's my main beef with today's designs. Sigma i-series get there somewhat but at cost of optical quality. When I compare to my Pentax-FA 43mm Limited the difference in size is hilarious.
Thanks I like the smaller Sigma lenses and these cheaper Lumix lenses. Great images for the price.. though I still invest in M mount (and adapt them) as I want to be able to shoot film.
These aren’t the same lens or a straight clone. It’s the same design and optical formula. Leica told me the elements are different. Ground ASPH vs moulded. Different coatings. And they’re using higher tolerances while made in Portugal, which pays EU wages. I wouldn’t say these are the same unlike the 100-400 which does appear to be a clone of the SIgma and made in the same place.
Thanks Gordon! Yes that is roughly what I understood too so thanks for the clarity. Interesting about the 100-400 (I have no experience with those).
Can anyone tell me if the Leica SL2-S is worth the upgrade over the SL type 601 or should I wait for the upcoming SL3?
I'd suggest wait for SL3 and its price. The SL2-S is fantastic but if you can wait and the price isn't too high, I would take the SL3, just because the phase detect AF will make it an even better camera. If the price is too high, you can still pick up an SL2-S.
Hey Danny, colour are better, AF is faster, it has IBIS but for me i'm happy with my SL
Top answer Christian!
@@Christian_Kurz That’s what I’ll do then. I want to fix my GAS and I think an SL body that can be my long term camera with modern features can fix it. I would end up selling my SL type 601 and Olympus E-M1 Mark III kit to help fund an SL3. If it does end up having the M11 sensor which is very highly rated then I think I’ll end up going with the SL3. I don’t think it would be any more expensive than the M11 so it should be within my budget, especially if I sell those 2 cameras. My kit would end up being my Leica M10 and a SL3. 2 cameras I’ll know I’ll use and not have to be deciding what I’m going to use.
Thanks for the feedback 🙏🏻
For the time I’ll probably get a Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 for my SL. I currently only have a Lumix S 50mm 1.8 and adapting my Leica M mount lenses.
I'm guessing, of course, but I think an SL-3 would have a 60 Mpx sensor (akin to what is in the M11). For myself, I'm hoping for an SL-3S with hybrid phase detect auto-focus and (if I'm lucky) a 30 Mpx sensor. That said, 24 Mpx would be fine for me, too, as I'm happy with the photos produced by my SL2-S.
Leica 35mm 2.0 Summicron-SL Asph. $2195, Panasonic Lumix 35mm 1.8 $598, these Lenses looks identical with the same Lens designs, though more plastic in the Panasonic if you check the weight, so the Leica are too expensive (as always !). The price of the the 35mm Leica APO are outside of this world ! I do not like Lenses without aperture ring. If you get the Panasonic Lumix S5II $1998 or the Panasonic Lumix S5 $1498 (and NOT the Leica SL2-S $5195), you can have a LOT (well, there are not a lot of L-mount Lenses) of good Lenses ! THAT is why (one of the reasons) I have E-mount. The AF/MF switch on the Lumix are a great plus. If you do want the L-mount system and like the Leica brand, then get the "stealth" version Panasonic Lumix S5 IIX which are all black, get a Leica badge on ebay and you are ready to go ! AND HOLD your breath, an APO Lens on a 24 megapixels camera are overkill, you need to go 40+ megapixels to really see the difference.
Great info thanks! The S5IIX sounds a very smart move by Panasonic. Agree for value perhaps Lumix bodies and Sigma lenses.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Future smaller Panasonic camera bodies with the latest compact Sigma series Lenses could be very good.
Good video Matt.
Excellent explanation with the bang for your buck story.
About the Leica store. Nice guys but they are not as geeky as you may believe and don't forget ...they run a Leica store which core business is selling Leica gear, they never reveal the truth.
Were they need more than 2 hours to sugar coat those debatable lenses you more or less told the truth in 12 minutes.😂
As stated in my comment on the Leica Store comment, how much of those lenses is still Leica ?
Ha thanks RS, i'm not perfect but at least I give non-bias reviews regardless of the brand.
This is an old secret: F/8 and be there.
Yes! Any lens.. :)
So refreshing to not have to see any halfnaked girls for a short part of this video. The girl photos is the reason why this guy isn’t in any Leica collaboration and made fun of by other RUclipsrs. Really sad since he put in a lot of effort to the testing.
Thanks! Yes many like girl photos but they are not for everyone. Some of my videos are more street, some are more portraits, normally depending on the lens or where I am, who i'm shooting with. I'm a model shooter so normally you see that in the example photos. Other channels might be pure street or landscape so there is something for everyone.
1500 thousand is $1.500.000 :)
Thanks, sorry about that!
The whole point is to be able to shoot open. Saying to get a less expensive lens and stop down defeats the point.
Agree for most folk. I buy fast glass to shoot wide open but there are people that shoot at f5.6 / f8 with heavy fast/ expensive lenses. This is for them
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom There are some people out there where that does indeed apply.
You're only allowed to shoot wide open with a Leica?
I expected a side by side pictures compared, the best and ultimate way to judge a lens from another. After all, tangible visual results is what a serious photographer looks for, no? Please, talk less and show more. Click, click, click .... waaaay better than bla, bla, bla.
Thanks, sorry I didn’t own 2 of the same lens focal length, this video was just to discuss they are similar. See the red dot 2hr YT video for exact comparison
People who were attracted to watch this video, like myself, were so due to its headline promising to give us definitive visual and text insights on the differences and similarities between the Leica and Lumix same focal length lenses. As we advanced watching it the more and more frustrated we become. We all couldn't care less about a Makina camera nor about the Leica Apo versions, nor about your teaching in Spain, nor about photos taken with APO lenses, nor about other past videos from you and even less about upcoming ones. All we care is to decide to buy the lighter and much cheaper Lumix lens (maybe the same lens in another badge) or spend 3k more to get the prestigious Leica model. In short, Mr. Leica. lol, your depictable video has NOT met in any way our interest. What's wrong with you?
Hi Ricardo, thanks for your kind feedback. I show you the lenses I had access to. Perhaps buy both lenses so you can decide which one you prefer without having to visit RUclips. You can return the one you don't like. This video only discusses the concept that both lenses are pretty much the same. (Read the helpful comments from others to see the finite differences between the 2 brands).