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Guys please stop showing Bogdan Bogdanovic clip without full context, bogdan was rude to players or referees i forgot, i think he even was physical, and coach Dusko wanted to show him that u cant do that shit here... by pulling his neck... please stop making the coach and Bogdan any different!
I think a good equivalent to coaching style in Euro is NCAA basketball, for some of the exact same reasons you stated. Salary, talent disparity on the team, scholarships, length of contract, etc. But imho, a great coach is someone nuanced who tailors their style to get the best/most out of each player, based on a players personality. Some players will shut down when yelled. Some need more encouragement. But yelling or not, you have to build trust - so the player knows the criticism is coming from a good place to help make them better. Yelling and abusive behavior does not equal passion
@@Unqualifiedtake i just have to watch video about it to remember. I am from Serbia and i do remember it went how i said. Don't reply to me disgruntled
Some coaches have the respect and the upper hand in the organization (Pop, Spoelstra, etc) but some teams just have superstars that are above everybody else
Dule Vujosevic ( the man who choked Bogdanovic), used to visit his players' apartments at night to ensure they were asleep. Upon hearing of anyone heading out, he would escort them home from clubs, assign domestic tasks, such as reading books, which they had to discuss later. He's the architect behind players like Bogdanovic, Milutinov, Pekovic, Bertans, Vesely, Lauvergne, Westermann and many others. A legend.
Still, you can't put your hands around my neck, don't care who you are... There are lines, even as a coach you shouldn't cross. That would make me lose respect.
@@MladenBlatnik Well, we're all different. Perhaps it was a moment of weakness, excessive desire for victory, and great trust in the potential Bogdanovic had at that time, which Dule was honing. Furthermore, he endured criticism for letting Tripkovic go and instead throwing young Bogdanovic into the fire. Dule earned respect by giving his all to help him become the player he turned out to be, so as far as I'm concerned, such a move wouldn't change that. But again, as I said, we're all different.
@@MladenBlatnik > problem is, it's not about how you feel. Your respect doesn't matter, especially if you don't show any. It's like in an argument where one side completely fazes out if the other uses a "dirty" word. It's a complete miss of the point. It actively teaches players that if they are not "comfortable" it's someone else's fault. But if there is no consequence for fucking up, you're never going to get any better. If LeBron hadn't been cushioned his whole career he might have been able to take steps to stand clear of his competitors, and likely even be in the GOAT conversation. Yet, neither is the case. Truth is, 99% of players in the NBA are replaceable, and arguably a lot higher than that.
as long as the coach is yelling at you, it means he cares. the problem is when he stops yelling, that's when you screwed up. that is the golden rule in Serbia
@@caseycoady3063 Nah, they're not teams, they're franchises. If not enough people support them, they'll just move to a different city. There's no allegiance, no loyalty, everything is artificial and a slave to the almighty dollar
Do you really think that European coaches only shouting to the players? In Europe coaches are like a fathers to the players, they know what they’re doing during their free time, teaching them to read a books, how to behave, actually teaching them to be better person in life! And this sport should be finally, one way to become better humans! But in NBA everything is abt money money and money, it’s cultural thing, nothing to do with sport, same is any other field the difference between USA and other parts of the World!
NBA coaches view their players as a source of job security. Coaches who good relationships with their players have a much longer leash before being fired
Your comment reminded me of Man united legendary manager Sir Alex Ferguson. He chewed up the entire team because they refused to say hi and sign autograph for fans after a losing match.
In my opinion, European coaches are much better and a more of a mastermind than the coaches we have in the nba. And I am from Canada and watch both EL and NBA
I think its unfair to compare Like if popp is to coach an EL team he wouldve been one of the best too I think spo, kerr, brad stevens, will hardy can also be on the high level if they coach EL And as for WC and olympics Its also unfair to compare other team with USA schemes USA team were assembled few months or weeks before the tourney While europe guys were usually already play together since juniors national team And they will likely stay in the national team for like a decade or more (the core guys)
When you have the kind of talent that you have in the NBA, it doesn’t make sense to run sets a lot. Your best players aren’t their most effective that way.
One thing not addressed is the different culture of club/franchise ownership in Europe and in the NBA. A lot of European teams are property of a club and it's associates (fans that have membership in the club) so the fans are much more invested in the success of their team and it creates a culture of the Club being bigger than anyone in it (players, coaches, etc). So therefore the coach is the first one to have to uphold that. You as a player are never more important than the team, and fans like to see coaches reminding players of that. Either play for the team or get out. In the NBA franchises are owned by moguls who care more about the brand than the culture, in most cases, so a big star player always has more leeway to get a coach fired or get the players they want around him, and the owner accepts it because it doesn't want to see its franchise devalued by the loss of a superstar. And this different dynamic is also important to understand why coaches are allowed to act differently.
Agree! Club above all. Especially if the club has an army of fans, such as Red Star Belgrade. You as a player will last, say, 10-14 years. The Club is eternal. You can no way be bigger than a Club.
@@TesseracTesseracT Nah there are good coaches in the NBA. Pop is one of them. Utah coach is good, Twolves is good, Grizzlies is good, Nick Nurse is good Spo is good. Most assistant coaches are from Europe, The problem with NBA is it's entertainment that's why Superstars are important. If you want to see good plays watch the playoffs, Regular season doesnt really matter for these guys
@@dumbassdude8372 maybe you’re right but when they focused on the superstars all the other people are just decorative. I have watched playoff games and still very is no comparison with Euroleague. Passion, tactics, rivalries, fights, physicality in the most of the games this is why European basketball is the best. Except if you talk about Jordan era….
Based on intensity EL reg season = NBA playoffs EL playoffs = game 7 conf finals EL F4 = game 7 of NBA Finals Thats why everything feels different Like why scoring is not as high, why so many schemes used, why the intensity of the crowd and players differ
Discrepancy lol LeBron gets to play as a starter each game and the Lakers would be better off without him. If you don’t get minutes you’re hardly going to have the game rhythm. It’s just how it is.
Another reason for this difference is the fact that every european club has youth programs. When you get to the pro team in that club you are supposed to perform from minute one, if you are not ready, you don't get there, there is not much time for adaptation. Of course there are transfers from other clubs or whatever, but the same logic applies. NBA teams are responsible for the growth and development of rookies alongside the management of superstars.
@@reformeddoomer6777 Coaches like doc rivers are being recycled by teams. It doesnt seem like y'all have a higher talent pool for coaches there. NBA coaches playbook is let the superstar cook then get fired if it doesnt work on the playoffs
Talent is essential, but not all coaches excel. Finding European equivalents to coaches like Nick Nurse, Spoelstra, Popovich, Kerr, Lue, Malone, etc., is rare. While some top European coaches can succeed in the NBA, they are not abundant.
@@reformeddoomer6777if the coaches yell like that. NBA players will put hands on them. It’s a different culture. In euro if you throw hands back at the coach. They usually get the last laugh
I live in Indiana and grew up on NCAA and NBA hoops with an eye on Europe in the times of Oscar, Sabonis, and Drazen. I barely watch the NBA anymore, but still enjoy watching NCAA and Euroleague much more. When I was growing up we had Gene Keady, Bobby Knight, and Digger Phelps as the coaches of the major college teams in Indiana. Very aggressive coaching styles.
I recently saw a German second tier pro game live in which the two coaches were playing chess with how to play and defend the pick&roll all night, in just a regular season game with a medium importance. You have to be deep into the game to appreciate it, and it doesn't make sense from an entertainment standpoint to encourage that style of play, but it's a good illustration of one of the differences the video mentioned. Additionally, it's worth noting that the set-play mindset in euro basketball is waning, or at least attenuating. I'm a youth coach, and the guidelines we get from the national federation are much more oriented towards creativity and individual skill than they used to be (esp. here in Germany, we over-relied on strict set-play decision trees for a number of years, and it showed, among others, in how bad the national team fared against flexible defenses). And no. I don't choke my players. 😅
Thanks for the comment, coach! I guess Germany have started transitioning to concepts-driven offense, rather than set plays already, if I understand correctly? I've been following the works of Alex Sarama and his SSG-methods and I believe it is the future of European basketball, too. However, to have a special set play won't hurt I believe at any time. Especially, when in Europe you have budget gaps in pro levels, where you have to outmaneuver your opponent with more talent. Can't expect to win in the EuroLeague with less talent if both teams play read-and-react offenses. It's an interesting development to follow, however
@@AugustasSuliauskas yeah, concept-based is a fair summation of, say, the guidelines for the development of youth national teams. I don't coach at a high level, but I see a lot of read and react drills with the high-tier teams at my club, where a degree of creativity is encouraged. We at the younger ages are encouraged to let players figure out solutions for themselves for many things. I agree though that there will always be room for set plays.
As you said the NBA should do something to empower coaches more. Unfortunately the easy way of doing business is overpowering star players who think they are larger than life and making life super easy for offense. This might make you sell a dozen tickets more but it will kill the game on the long run. And we have already started seeing that. It's not Euroleague which is catching up, it's the NBA going backwards.
Excellent analysis once again and an interesting one that doesn't get talked about much !! I love how you guys always show some great footage in the background - I've never seen that coach choke Bogdanovic before - that would cause a whole riot on court 😂😂
It will never change because the sports cultures are so different. In America, sport is about superstars, marketing, tv ratings, merchandise - it's entertainment first and foremost, so the coach's job is to facilitate that. Americans care deeply about the narrative of the great moments in sports (the hail mary touchdown, the great last second comeback, the underdog knocking out the champion, the grand slam homerun). Superstars are almost always at the center of that and fans are there to be consumers of that; their money makes it possible. In Europe, club culture and respect for/knowledge of the sport is far more important. European basketball fans are always fan of the club first, not of one superstar player. So there it's the coach's job to make sure the fans get the best performance from every player, no matter how famous a player is. Winning is more important than making a show out of it. Watch the passion of the Partizan crowd before every home game and compare that to the average Lakers fan at Staples Center eating popcorn; that's the difference.
The NBA has been and probably always will be a superstars league. As a result anything an NBA coach says or whatever schemes they cook up will never go beyond being a "suggestion". So yes, absolutely, NBA coaches might very well be the most redundant position in all of professional sports. Not because they're bad at their job, but simply because everyone knows that their opinion matters less than the star players.
There is a good chance that the whole NBA organization is "scripted" at this point. So we here talking about NBA refs? NBA is entertainment , its not a sport. Basketball is a sport and requires coaching
because every game matters in Europe. you can' have a player just try to play hero and miss because one point missed is like missing a shot in the NBA playoffs. every game in Europe is a playoffs game
Great video showcasing some of the differences based on the structure of each league, the salary scale, the duration of the season as well as different rules.
The thing is all these conversation lead to the same place. In Euroleague, even though the players are very very good, the pool of differential players (i don't know, say a Tavares, Micic or Larkin at their best) is very low. So your tactics better be on point. In the NBA the man management (an important skill as any for coaching btw) part is super important. Did Phil Jackson ever discuss tactics and psychology with Rodman to get the most outta him? Nah, he just kept him happy letting him party like animal. It's a very rare case but this are the kind of players you get in the NBA
Yes, Phil Jackson did both with Rodman. That some guys think they didn't discuss tactics just goes to show that people are ready to ride with ridiculous and essentialized narratives.
Problem is modern day NBA is a joke. You can see that the players especially from the young generation don't care about competing. Soon as they enter the league they get paid enormous amounts of money, even the role players, resulting in them not having to prove themselves every night to get a good deal. In addition defense is non existent. The dimensions of the court, no hand checking, not calling travels (players carry each possession), defensive 3 seconds and weak calls have made defense almost impossible to play. All these have led to the steady decline of the product in the past 15 years and today's young players lack even the basic fundamentals like boxing out, understanding defensive scheme's etc. People get a rebound dribble down the court unguarded and shoot threes. It's all isolation, dribble kick outs, open threes, stepbacks and mildly contested layups.
European coaches are not negative, but simply passionate and finally when the game is over and when the spotlights shot down they love all those boys (players) like their own children!!!🤨🤔😒😊👍
I learned from my experience as a freshman in HS when I played on the C-team. The coach yelled a lot and he had control whether or not you will play. I learned that life was not fair as nepotism existed and his son was also on the team working as a mole. That son relayed team gossip to his dad. One of the worst experiences in my life as a person but a life lesson nonetheless.
regarding the flexibility and player exhaustion: some european domestic leagues, example turkish league, has foreign player restrictions. in light of that fenerbahçe or efes can/must rest players in domestic games, they dominate the domestic league anyways. they deploy the youngsters or bench players. back in the day teams signed players just for the euroleague squad.
NBA isn't even basketball anymore. It has it's own rules and a lot of it is rigged. It's just a big tv show. If NBA went to fiba rules we'd actually see some good games
In the NBA coaches show up to games in sweatpants, in the EuroLeague they show up in suits. Really tells you everything about their roles and how seriously they’re taken
This has changed only a couple of years ago after the pandemic. Not sure it has a lot to do with how seriously they are taken. Some coaches still have the upper hand on the players.
Compared to the US, European pro-sport in general are much more about winning rather than the entertainment. In Europe, generally the winner takes the biggest cakes, the more serial winners you are, the bigger cake of supporter, advertising, and branding etc you’ll get. In the US you see teams like New York Knicks or Dallas Cowboys who hardly won anything, still able to make good money just because they are based in area with a big market. That makes the incentive of winning much higher in European sports league, EuroLeague included. In that situation, it’s understandable that the pressure on coaches would be much higher, hence the highly expressive style of coaching
I Europe it's a sports first, business second. In USA it's purely business. I mean look at how they swap players around every few months. You see players in one uniform, go to sleep and wake up and players already in new uniforms.
NBA is more concern of profit or business side, europe is more of a competitive old school league that is more of the team than a personal accolades in NBA
It actually does make the nba coaches job easier. They do active game coaching for 1 month and that's if they earned a spot in playoffs. Until then, what they do is more managing rather than coaching. It may not be easier job if you are not talented in management but sure is easier if we only look at it coaching wise.
In europe there is hierarchy and history behind clubs that is in some cases older than 100years so there is alot of responsibility of how you represent this teams, failing to acknowledge that and you will be replaced(there is no buts). failing to preform good and you will be "punished" the team will lose money,sponsores and angry the spectators which could and did lead to getting kicked out/relegate from the league, in america there is no repercussions to having a bad season(there is always next year) in euroleague there is a big chance that there is no next year so everything matters. The higer the highs the lower the lowes and because of that the league is much more emotional, players sometimes forget and get cocky and the coach is there to remind them with no fear as it should be. Just my opinion( i remember when beckham tryed to be bigger than manchester united and ferguson throwed a football boot in his head and cut open his forehad), if you dont live in europe its hard to understand...
It's a result on the court driven product, since teams dont make profits in Europe. In the NBA, business decisions (rules, how to officiate the game) comes first, and they are made to make the games with more highlights, drama and etc.
I've never heard of a player talking bad about Obradovic, all his former players worship him, it sounds strange but outside of the court he is a friend, a father figure to them all, they even go out for drinks together. Saras loves him for example (he's even taken his mannerisms as a coach) and he almost threw him out of the team in his first year in Panathinaikos. But they know once they step onto the court, it's his way or the motorway...
Honestly now that I have been following NBA a lot more in the past 6-8 years, players with inflated Ego's are really annoying to watch. Lebron is prime example of too big EGO on a player and really coaches need power to control their players. Couple of too big ego players can influence games from winning to losing, because they can't handle their self importance.
Strange that you didn't mention one of the most successful European coaches, Sergio Scariolo, 5 time eurochampion, silver and bronze olympic medalist and 2019 world champion. He hits an excellent balance and has been cited as probable Raptors head coach after a stint as assistant coach.
In football players make a lot more money than coaches do. So it's a matter of mentality based more in the concept of the maestro and the orchestra. They could do that in the NBA as well but they won't because it's cultural
Getting mad also doesn’t help your basketball game. You got to be relaxed to shoot. You got to be in rhythm and the team has to have harmony for it to work. The mental to football and basketball is way different. And I’m sorry but the worst NBA team would dogwalk the best Euro team
Great video, but I am surprised that you didn’t mention that European basketball leagues have relegation while the NBA does not. A European coach for a middle to low ranked team can’t afford to lose even meaningless games because if their team is relegated to the 2nd tier, their clubs essentially lose everything (sponsorships, players, subsidies for youth development programs, etc.). Relegation is effectively a death sentence, and a coach will make any adjustments necessary to avoid that happening, regardless of the feelings of underperforming stars.
The coaches in Europe are actual coaches because the game there is still about tactics, and not "hero" ball. Unfortunately, money speaks louder everywhere and just like the NBA makes changes to the rules every year or so to make scoring easier and create more highlights to attract casual viewers, Europe is following in their footsteps slowly but surely
2:55 As if the NBA actively grows talents. Most players just wipe the bench and never play even in regular season. It is very rare to have growth tales like Giannis or Middleton and only in smaller teams that "do not matter".
Gregg Popovic is essentialy European coach. His origins are Serbian, so... It makes sense. Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Diaw was collective, creative, beautiful European team
How can you work out set plays and strategies when you play every 2 or 3 days? How can you hone your individual skills? It's ridiculous. Cut the amount of NBA games by 1/3 (or more) and you'd have better teams and players.
One thing that is often forgotten, but was mentioned in passing in the video, is that relegation exists in European leagues. This means that if you finish in the last 3/4 places you lose the right to participate in the top championship the following year with enormous financial losses. In the NBA you can lose 90% of the games and still stay in the NBA.
In a professional game where players get paid to play, winning is everything. Nba is all about money highlights and success. Like any league in the world. One thing is to stream line the game not play off the dribble off the cuff meaning no plan and hope space opens up. Also it's not an individual sport. So if coach calls a play do it and if it don't work media and fans can blame whatever but inside the changing rooms and behind doors it was what you were told to do.
Let the coaches do all the hard work and just give energy to what he asks and live with it simplified basketball is winning ball.or at the very least competitive
the reason for the slogan "every game matters" is plain and simple: over here we think the Nba regular season is a bunch of pontless games, with the intensity of a walk in the park. To me, that's the same in the playoff too. I quit watching the Nba yeas ago. It's showbiz, not competition
in europe every play is combinating set. in nba is freestyle or 1 star style of playing. nba match is like more than a open training. europe basketball is more racionality, and the last. nba is like football 11x11, europe basket is like futsal :D
What coaches like Jure Zdovc do to their team is they completly destroy the joy off the game. Creativity on offense goes trought the window. No sense off free play
nba - tv series,cartoons,\ europa - THEATRE in europe head coach is really a person who build the team around him in nba is more like mentor and some kind of producer)) thanks for interesting theme. i respect obradovic but never understand why he so emotional. in 82 games if he will do this style he would have problems with health. nba is for the show,money, players and popcorn, for growing heroes. europe is really tournament where every game matters, nowadays teams like baskonia valencia milan and other battle in every game
Generational talents that think coaching does not matter much, especially when they dont respect the coach enough in that case with Steve Nash. This is where you get these statements from
There is no way Zeliko Obradovic could not be the best coach in the NBA. He would need a lifetime contract with a team and let him do his magic. There is just NO WAY an NBA coach being better than any Euroleague coach. Even the legend Pitino who came in Europe can agree with that.
He'd go crazy - and to jail! I think that he was asked about it and he said that he doesn't want to coach stars and individuals and all that circus. He loves a team game.
It's quite straightforward. European basket is a team sport, much more tactical. Hence the role of the coach is much more important, and less it's the players's one. Therefore, the effort of the coaches to make players understand what they should do within the team strategies. They are the leaders, and this is understood by the players.
NBA - big player contracts, player's league, big media deals, media narratives (drama), competitive only during the postseason. Euroleague - more competitive troughout the season, coaches actually do the coaching and are not player nannies, not a player's league by any means which IMHO is better.
I cant wait to see how one of European coaches find a way to combine strategy and right psychology in the NBA. Blatt was great coach but totaly messed up with elationship side
Since I am getting more in love with Xs and Os then individual performances, you are going to make me watch Euroleage after two decades. Stopped watching Euroleage for quite a while and following NBA only. This coming from a Serb.
Having Bartzokas in the bench is a FREAKING blessing for us Olympiakos fans . The guy's literally one of the boys in his team , even if his reactions are sometimes WAY EXCESSIVE ( although for us fans , they're completely normal if anything ) .
When the competition is closer there's always the danger of getting relegated in your domestic league. That's another layer of pressure that can cause a coach to lose his sh!t.
The issue in the nba is that players have their egos through the roof and will feel attacked if yelled at They also have a sense of security because their contracts mostly force the coaches to play them whether they are following orders or not
@@panoskakkavas4022 it’s not a complain brother, he is the best there is and all of us are thankful for what he has done and continues to do. I am just saying thats how it is with coaches in Serbia and i love to see that passion. Love to u and Greece ❤️
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Guys please stop showing Bogdan Bogdanovic clip without full context, bogdan was rude to players or referees i forgot, i think he even was physical, and coach Dusko wanted to show him that u cant do that shit here... by pulling his neck... please stop making the coach and Bogdan any different!
I think a good equivalent to coaching style in Euro is NCAA basketball, for some of the exact same reasons you stated. Salary, talent disparity on the team, scholarships, length of contract, etc.
But imho, a great coach is someone nuanced who tailors their style to get the best/most out of each player, based on a players personality. Some players will shut down when yelled. Some need more encouragement. But yelling or not, you have to build trust - so the player knows the criticism is coming from a good place to help make them better. Yelling and abusive behavior does not equal passion
Depends on the NBA coach
@@jorgovan-ni9kzdon't call for context without remembering it
@@Unqualifiedtake i just have to watch video about it to remember. I am from Serbia and i do remember it went how i said. Don't reply to me disgruntled
When a player can fire the coach because he doesn't like a play or the way he is used, the coach has no way to really direct his team.
Some coaches have the respect and the upper hand in the organization (Pop, Spoelstra, etc) but some teams just have superstars that are above everybody else
That is why you don't hire those players for your teams.
Dule Vujosevic ( the man who choked Bogdanovic), used to visit his players' apartments at night to ensure they were asleep. Upon hearing of anyone heading out, he would escort them home from clubs, assign domestic tasks, such as reading books, which they had to discuss later. He's the architect behind players like Bogdanovic, Milutinov, Pekovic, Bertans, Vesely, Lauvergne, Westermann and many others. A legend.
Still, you can't put your hands around my neck, don't care who you are... There are lines, even as a coach you shouldn't cross. That would make me lose respect.
@@MladenBlatnik Well, we're all different. Perhaps it was a moment of weakness, excessive desire for victory, and great trust in the potential Bogdanovic had at that time, which Dule was honing. Furthermore, he endured criticism for letting Tripkovic go and instead throwing young Bogdanovic into the fire. Dule earned respect by giving his all to help him become the player he turned out to be, so as far as I'm concerned, such a move wouldn't change that. But again, as I said, we're all different.
@@MladenBlatnikHe's been Partizan coach for 20+ yrs, won more than 25 trophies. Fans would kill Bogdanovic if he did anything to retaliate.
What if Dule told Bogdanović what to play and he didn't for a couple of times? @@MladenBlatnik
@@MladenBlatnik > problem is, it's not about how you feel. Your respect doesn't matter, especially if you don't show any. It's like in an argument where one side completely fazes out if the other uses a "dirty" word. It's a complete miss of the point. It actively teaches players that if they are not "comfortable" it's someone else's fault. But if there is no consequence for fucking up, you're never going to get any better. If LeBron hadn't been cushioned his whole career he might have been able to take steps to stand clear of his competitors, and likely even be in the GOAT conversation. Yet, neither is the case. Truth is, 99% of players in the NBA are replaceable, and arguably a lot higher than that.
as long as the coach is yelling at you, it means he cares. the problem is when he stops yelling, that's when you screwed up. that is the golden rule in Serbia
Heard that one in my youth days too lol
The Dr. Cox Treatment.
Or it means he is out of patience and he will make you pay in blood, puke and tears at the next training session. Then you are truly fucked
NBA divas will cry if the euro coach is coaching them.
Agree...
omg he is so rude and he hurt my feelings😂
European basketball is sport, NBA is a show where the stars MUST shine to entertain the audience.
Most fans is the states root for teams not players. If our teams winning we are entertained. MUST was a bad choice of words
@@caseycoady3063 Nah, they're not teams, they're franchises. If not enough people support them, they'll just move to a different city. There's no allegiance, no loyalty, everything is artificial and a slave to the almighty dollar
@@JuT11 That has nothing to do with people thats about politics and stadiums. Fans are a different thing all together
@@JuT11 Weird, when did all this moving around start happening and why are you the only one that knows about it?
Do you really think that European coaches only shouting to the players? In Europe coaches are like a fathers to the players, they know what they’re doing during their free time, teaching them to read a books, how to behave, actually teaching them to be better person in life! And this sport should be finally, one way to become better humans! But in NBA everything is abt money money and money, it’s cultural thing, nothing to do with sport, same is any other field the difference between USA and other parts of the World!
and we had a lot of games between nba and european teams and most of the games the european teams won... even against the lakeres with kobe....
NBA coaches view their players as a source of job security. Coaches who good relationships with their players have a much longer leash before being fired
Your comment reminded me of Man united legendary manager Sir Alex Ferguson.
He chewed up the entire team because they refused to say hi and sign autograph for fans after a losing match.
@@seelenwinter6662lol the overall record between nba and euro league teams is 75-17. NBA teams win most of the time buddy 😂
@@seelenwinter6662 Not even in your dreams, the record against you guys is so lopsided in our favor it's not funny. There is no competition.
Just to be clear: Thumbnail is not color corrected - that's Željko Obradović's natural skin color during the game
😂😂😂😂.
Čudi me da još funkcioniše, da nije eksplodirao.
A obožavam ga.
I couldn't actually believe the color when I first saw it on the thumbnail lol
@@AugustasSuliauskas there are even better examples, google "zeljko obradovic purple or red"
😂😂😂
Željko best euro coach ever
In Europa coaches have to be loud because of the atmosphere, you cant hear a guy next to you
seeing obradovic turning purple and shouting to the players was one of the highlights of the game
In my opinion, European coaches are much better and a more of a mastermind than the coaches we have in the nba. And I am from Canada and watch both EL and NBA
We all saw this during the world cup
@@jamesedwards1284 exactly
I think its unfair to compare
Like if popp is to coach an EL team he wouldve been one of the best too
I think spo, kerr, brad stevens, will hardy can also be on the high level if they coach EL
And as for WC and olympics
Its also unfair to compare other team with USA schemes
USA team were assembled few months or weeks before the tourney
While europe guys were usually already play together since juniors national team
And they will likely stay in the national team for like a decade or more (the core guys)
When you have the kind of talent that you have in the NBA, it doesn’t make sense to run sets a lot. Your best players aren’t their most effective that way.
@@sherlock4791wtf u talkin' it's different game there
One thing not addressed is the different culture of club/franchise ownership in Europe and in the NBA. A lot of European teams are property of a club and it's associates (fans that have membership in the club) so the fans are much more invested in the success of their team and it creates a culture of the Club being bigger than anyone in it (players, coaches, etc). So therefore the coach is the first one to have to uphold that. You as a player are never more important than the team, and fans like to see coaches reminding players of that. Either play for the team or get out. In the NBA franchises are owned by moguls who care more about the brand than the culture, in most cases, so a big star player always has more leeway to get a coach fired or get the players they want around him, and the owner accepts it because it doesn't want to see its franchise devalued by the loss of a superstar.
And this different dynamic is also important to understand why coaches are allowed to act differently.
Agree! Club above all. Especially if the club has an army of fans, such as Red Star Belgrade. You as a player will last, say, 10-14 years. The Club is eternal. You can no way be bigger than a Club.
@@dekipet Also in Europe there is relegation. One bad season, and your club is out of league.
Europe is about basketball. USA is about marketing. I am blessed to raise in Europe and be so passionate for the sport I love.
🎯💯 FACTS
Maybe Coach Pop might be one of the few capable to coach if plugged into the Euro League IMO
@@AMACHiiBiong the last 10 years he is not the same as used to be. No one is the exception in my opinion.
Alot of people don't realize that ameican sports are rigged
@@TesseracTesseracT Nah there are good coaches in the NBA. Pop is one of them. Utah coach is good, Twolves is good, Grizzlies is good, Nick Nurse is good Spo is good. Most assistant coaches are from Europe, The problem with NBA is it's entertainment that's why Superstars are important. If you want to see good plays watch the playoffs, Regular season doesnt really matter for these guys
@@dumbassdude8372 maybe you’re right but when they focused on the superstars all the other people are just decorative. I have watched playoff games and still very is no comparison with Euroleague. Passion, tactics, rivalries, fights, physicality in the most of the games this is why European basketball is the best. Except if you talk about Jordan era….
'Gigi Datome shame on you ' :D :D :D
"What you wan't Kosta? Now you ask me what to play? SO ALL THE LIFE YOU WAIT FOR ME?" lol
Out of nowhere lol Gigi thought he avoided that smoke
@@medved4030 NOT AFTER THAT YOU HAVE PROBLEM
Based on intensity
EL reg season = NBA playoffs
EL playoffs = game 7 conf finals
EL F4 = game 7 of NBA Finals
Thats why everything feels different
Like why scoring is not as high, why so many schemes used, why the intensity of the crowd and players differ
Well, like the guy said, there is also the time frame and talent discrepancy that plays into how well coaches can scheme thing during regular season
Discrepancy lol LeBron gets to play as a starter each game and the Lakers would be better off without him. If you don’t get minutes you’re hardly going to have the game rhythm. It’s just how it is.
nba is like spoiled kids with rich parents who let them do what they want
Imagining Lebron under Zeljko Obradovic... no i can t 😂 . Great video btw 👌
Another reason for this difference is the fact that every european club has youth programs. When you get to the pro team in that club you are supposed to perform from minute one, if you are not ready, you don't get there, there is not much time for adaptation. Of course there are transfers from other clubs or whatever, but the same logic applies. NBA teams are responsible for the growth and development of rookies alongside the management of superstars.
NBA coaches are cheerleaders. European coaches are warlords.
maybe becouse in europe basically 95% of players sucks ???you can't name 5 european players that can beat opponent one on one
The nba coach talent is higher
@@reformeddoomer6777 Coaches like doc rivers are being recycled by teams. It doesnt seem like y'all have a higher talent pool for coaches there. NBA coaches playbook is let the superstar cook then get fired if it doesnt work on the playoffs
Talent is essential, but not all coaches excel. Finding European equivalents to coaches like Nick Nurse, Spoelstra, Popovich, Kerr, Lue, Malone, etc., is rare. While some top European coaches can succeed in the NBA, they are not abundant.
@@reformeddoomer6777if the coaches yell like that. NBA players will put hands on them. It’s a different culture.
In euro if you throw hands back at the coach. They usually get the last laugh
It's funny how basketball coaches in Hollywood films are portrayed closer to European coaches.
Popović is NBA's european coach 😂
I live in Indiana and grew up on NCAA and NBA hoops with an eye on Europe in the times of Oscar, Sabonis, and Drazen. I barely watch the NBA anymore, but still enjoy watching NCAA and Euroleague much more. When I was growing up we had Gene Keady, Bobby Knight, and Digger Phelps as the coaches of the major college teams in Indiana. Very aggressive coaching styles.
Bobby Knight was the coach PJ Carlesimo said he looked up to. No wonder he had that style
bobby knight at IU, those were the days...
Coaches in the NBA just have to find the way to make everybody happy. Strategy comes later
They are primarily ego managers
This is actually a great point
NBA coaches are media representatives. If you cant do your rotations, bench players - u are not coaching
I recently saw a German second tier pro game live in which the two coaches were playing chess with how to play and defend the pick&roll all night, in just a regular season game with a medium importance. You have to be deep into the game to appreciate it, and it doesn't make sense from an entertainment standpoint to encourage that style of play, but it's a good illustration of one of the differences the video mentioned.
Additionally, it's worth noting that the set-play mindset in euro basketball is waning, or at least attenuating. I'm a youth coach, and the guidelines we get from the national federation are much more oriented towards creativity and individual skill than they used to be (esp. here in Germany, we over-relied on strict set-play decision trees for a number of years, and it showed, among others, in how bad the national team fared against flexible defenses). And no. I don't choke my players. 😅
Thanks for the comment, coach! I guess Germany have started transitioning to concepts-driven offense, rather than set plays already, if I understand correctly? I've been following the works of Alex Sarama and his SSG-methods and I believe it is the future of European basketball, too. However, to have a special set play won't hurt I believe at any time. Especially, when in Europe you have budget gaps in pro levels, where you have to outmaneuver your opponent with more talent. Can't expect to win in the EuroLeague with less talent if both teams play read-and-react offenses. It's an interesting development to follow, however
@@AugustasSuliauskas yeah, concept-based is a fair summation of, say, the guidelines for the development of youth national teams. I don't coach at a high level, but I see a lot of read and react drills with the high-tier teams at my club, where a degree of creativity is encouraged. We at the younger ages are encouraged to let players figure out solutions for themselves for many things. I agree though that there will always be room for set plays.
Tough coaches make great teams, weak coaches they need to rely on talents of single players
oh yea, which you choose?player power?or coach power?
the right team will choose coach
the moneymaker team will choose players
Ncaa coaching style is quite similar to europe.
Agreed!
in nba is more managing _in europe is a clean true coaching_ in europe team means more than in usa - in my opinion _in europe another mentality
As you said the NBA should do something to empower coaches more. Unfortunately the easy way of doing business is overpowering star players who think they are larger than life and making life super easy for offense. This might make you sell a dozen tickets more but it will kill the game on the long run. And we have already started seeing that. It's not Euroleague which is catching up, it's the NBA going backwards.
#EmpowerTheCoaches 🙏
Excellent analysis once again and an interesting one that doesn't get talked about much !!
I love how you guys always show some great footage in the background - I've never seen that coach choke Bogdanovic before - that would cause a whole riot on court 😂😂
Thanks a lot! We try to do our research well haha
you remind me so much of Michael Ballack , good video as always in my opinion ...
Not the first time I'm hearing this lol. Thank you (for the good video message!)
I played football (soccer) and i always performed better when the coach is strict and loud, it's a European thing 😂😂😂
It will never change because the sports cultures are so different. In America, sport is about superstars, marketing, tv ratings, merchandise - it's entertainment first and foremost, so the coach's job is to facilitate that. Americans care deeply about the narrative of the great moments in sports (the hail mary touchdown, the great last second comeback, the underdog knocking out the champion, the grand slam homerun). Superstars are almost always at the center of that and fans are there to be consumers of that; their money makes it possible.
In Europe, club culture and respect for/knowledge of the sport is far more important. European basketball fans are always fan of the club first, not of one superstar player. So there it's the coach's job to make sure the fans get the best performance from every player, no matter how famous a player is. Winning is more important than making a show out of it. Watch the passion of the Partizan crowd before every home game and compare that to the average Lakers fan at Staples Center eating popcorn; that's the difference.
The NBA has been and probably always will be a superstars league. As a result anything an NBA coach says or whatever schemes they cook up will never go beyond being a "suggestion".
So yes, absolutely, NBA coaches might very well be the most redundant position in all of professional sports. Not because they're bad at their job, but simply because everyone knows that their opinion matters less than the star players.
Euroleague: Every possession matters. Every game is war.
NBA: Lol, we're only in it for the TikTok views.
There is a good chance that the whole NBA organization is "scripted" at this point. So we here talking about NBA refs? NBA is entertainment , its not a sport. Basketball is a sport and requires coaching
because every game matters in Europe. you can' have a player just try to play hero and miss because one point missed is like missing a shot in the NBA playoffs. every game in Europe is a playoffs game
Bro really had to put that Mike James 3+1 on KP🙄
Judging on your emoji, you probably didn't like that shot, but damn.. Gotta admit that was one CRAZY three-pointer
Great video showcasing some of the differences based on the structure of each league, the salary scale, the duration of the season as well as different rules.
The thing is all these conversation lead to the same place. In Euroleague, even though the players are very very good, the pool of differential players (i don't know, say a Tavares, Micic or Larkin at their best) is very low. So your tactics better be on point.
In the NBA the man management (an important skill as any for coaching btw) part is super important. Did Phil Jackson ever discuss tactics and psychology with Rodman to get the most outta him? Nah, he just kept him happy letting him party like animal. It's a very rare case but this are the kind of players you get in the NBA
Yes, Phil Jackson did both with Rodman. That some guys think they didn't discuss tactics just goes to show that people are ready to ride with ridiculous and essentialized narratives.
Problem is modern day NBA is a joke. You can see that the players especially from the young generation don't care about competing. Soon as they enter the league they get paid enormous amounts of money, even the role players, resulting in them not having to prove themselves every night to get a good deal.
In addition defense is non existent. The dimensions of the court, no hand checking, not calling travels (players carry each possession), defensive 3 seconds and weak calls have made defense almost impossible to play.
All these have led to the steady decline of the product in the past 15 years and today's young players lack even the basic fundamentals like boxing out, understanding defensive scheme's etc. People get a rebound dribble down the court unguarded and shoot threes. It's all isolation, dribble kick outs, open threes, stepbacks and mildly contested layups.
Any coach can discuss tactics with Rodman. Gotta break through the thick skull first don'tcha?@@tawadrosal-yunani
Great great point.
regular NBA is mostly harlem globetrotters style basketball
European coaches are not negative, but simply passionate and finally when the game is over and when the spotlights shot down they love all those boys (players) like their own children!!!🤨🤔😒😊👍
I learned from my experience as a freshman in HS when I played on the C-team. The coach yelled a lot and he had control whether or not you will play. I learned that life was not fair as nepotism existed and his son was also on the team working as a mole. That son relayed team gossip to his dad. One of the worst experiences in my life as a person but a life lesson nonetheless.
regarding the flexibility and player exhaustion: some european domestic leagues, example turkish league, has foreign player restrictions. in light of that fenerbahçe or efes can/must rest players in domestic games, they dominate the domestic league anyways. they deploy the youngsters or bench players. back in the day teams signed players just for the euroleague squad.
NBA isn't even basketball anymore. It has it's own rules and a lot of it is rigged. It's just a big tv show.
If NBA went to fiba rules we'd actually see some good games
I'd love to see that as a fan, but NBA doesnt want to lose that money they get from highlights, dunks, scoring records, and 50+ games
The way you pronounced Latrell Sprewell's name was a certified knee slapper haha
In the NBA coaches show up to games in sweatpants, in the EuroLeague they show up in suits.
Really tells you everything about their roles and how seriously they’re taken
Coaching used to be taken so seriously in the NBA
This has changed only a couple of years ago after the pandemic. Not sure it has a lot to do with how seriously they are taken. Some coaches still have the upper hand on the players.
Compared to the US, European pro-sport in general are much more about winning rather than the entertainment. In Europe, generally the winner takes the biggest cakes, the more serial winners you are, the bigger cake of supporter, advertising, and branding etc you’ll get. In the US you see teams like New York Knicks or Dallas Cowboys who hardly won anything, still able to make good money just because they are based in area with a big market. That makes the incentive of winning much higher in European sports league, EuroLeague included. In that situation, it’s understandable that the pressure on coaches would be much higher, hence the highly expressive style of coaching
I Europe it's a sports first, business second. In USA it's purely business. I mean look at how they swap players around every few months. You see players in one uniform, go to sleep and wake up and players already in new uniforms.
NBA is more concern of profit or business side, europe is more of a competitive old school league that is more of the team than a personal accolades in NBA
Euroball is way more competitive.
I love this channel. Keep hustling guys.
Thank you very much for the appreciation message!
@@AugustasSuliauskas your welcome 🙏🏼
It actually does make the nba coaches job easier. They do active game coaching for 1 month and that's if they earned a spot in playoffs. Until then, what they do is more managing rather than coaching. It may not be easier job if you are not talented in management but sure is easier if we only look at it coaching wise.
In europe there is hierarchy and history behind clubs that is in some cases older than 100years so there is alot of responsibility of how you represent this teams, failing to acknowledge that and you will be replaced(there is no buts). failing to preform good and you will be "punished" the team will lose money,sponsores and angry the spectators which could and did lead to getting kicked out/relegate from the league, in america there is no repercussions to having a bad season(there is always next year) in euroleague there is a big chance that there is no next year so everything matters. The higer the highs the lower the lowes and because of that the league is much more emotional, players sometimes forget and get cocky and the coach is there to remind them with no fear as it should be. Just my opinion( i remember when beckham tryed to be bigger than manchester united and ferguson throwed a football boot in his head and cut open his forehad), if you dont live in europe its hard to understand...
It's a result on the court driven product, since teams dont make profits in Europe. In the NBA, business decisions (rules, how to officiate the game) comes first, and they are made to make the games with more highlights, drama and etc.
I've never heard of a player talking bad about Obradovic, all his former players worship him, it sounds strange but outside of the court he is a friend, a father figure to them all, they even go out for drinks together. Saras loves him for example (he's even taken his mannerisms as a coach) and he almost threw him out of the team in his first year in Panathinaikos. But they know once they step onto the court, it's his way or the motorway...
Honestly now that I have been following NBA a lot more in the past 6-8 years, players with inflated Ego's are really annoying to watch. Lebron is prime example of too big EGO on a player and really coaches need power to control their players. Couple of too big ego players can influence games from winning to losing, because they can't handle their self importance.
Just make it play by the rules of basketball, games will be immediately more tactical and Coaches more important.
Strange that you didn't mention one of the most successful European coaches, Sergio Scariolo, 5 time eurochampion, silver and bronze olympic medalist and 2019 world champion. He hits an excellent balance and has been cited as probable Raptors head coach after a stint as assistant coach.
Nice video. I want more content like this 🔥
Thanks a lot!
i like your content man i dont know a lot of Europe basketball and i always wonder how it is over in Europe's thanks again
In football players make a lot more money than coaches do. So it's a matter of mentality based more in the concept of the maestro and the orchestra. They could do that in the NBA as well but they won't because it's cultural
Getting mad also doesn’t help your basketball game. You got to be relaxed to shoot. You got to be in rhythm and the team has to have harmony for it to work. The mental to football and basketball is way different. And I’m sorry but the worst NBA team would dogwalk the best Euro team
@@Augrills NBA has better teams overall but your last sentence is bullshit. Real (best Euro team) beat Maverics (8th West Conference) last year.
@@mishakac1283 doubt it
@@Augrills Do You doubt opinion (first sentence) or fact (second sentence)?
Great video, but I am surprised that you didn’t mention that European basketball leagues have relegation while the NBA does not. A European coach for a middle to low ranked team can’t afford to lose even meaningless games because if their team is relegated to the 2nd tier, their clubs essentially lose everything (sponsorships, players, subsidies for youth development programs, etc.). Relegation is effectively a death sentence, and a coach will make any adjustments necessary to avoid that happening, regardless of the feelings of underperforming stars.
The coaches in Europe are actual coaches because the game there is still about tactics, and not "hero" ball.
Unfortunately, money speaks louder everywhere and just like the NBA makes changes to the rules every year or so to make scoring easier and create more highlights to attract casual viewers, Europe is following in their footsteps slowly but surely
2:55 As if the NBA actively grows talents. Most players just wipe the bench and never play even in regular season. It is very rare to have growth tales like Giannis or Middleton and only in smaller teams that "do not matter".
Gregg Popovic is essentialy European coach. His origins are Serbian, so... It makes sense. Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Diaw was collective, creative, beautiful European team
🤟 Perfection .
I agree
The NBA is just bad, it doesn’t need deep
Analysis. It’s just really really really bad.
Just dealing with huge egos can turn things around badly.
Players are payed more than coaches in Europe too
How can you work out set plays and strategies when you play every 2 or 3 days? How can you hone your individual skills? It's ridiculous.
Cut the amount of NBA games by 1/3 (or more) and you'd have better teams and players.
One thing that is often forgotten, but was mentioned in passing in the video, is that relegation exists in European leagues. This means that if you finish in the last 3/4 places you lose the right to participate in the top championship the following year with enormous financial losses. In the NBA you can lose 90% of the games and still stay in the NBA.
WOW very nice video! Keep the good work guys! Augis, you are really handsome man!
Thanks a lot!
European coaches would crash the player's ego in the nba. And the players would request a trade. Typical nba things
NBA= show , EuroLeague= Game (tough one)
In a professional game where players get paid to play, winning is everything. Nba is all about money highlights and success. Like any league in the world. One thing is to stream line the game not play off the dribble off the cuff meaning no plan and hope space opens up. Also it's not an individual sport. So if coach calls a play do it and if it don't work media and fans can blame whatever but inside the changing rooms and behind doors it was what you were told to do.
Let the coaches do all the hard work and just give energy to what he asks and live with it simplified basketball is winning ball.or at the very least competitive
great video
thanks a lot!
wtf is this man , is one of the most genuine and so funny at the same time stereotype of European coaches.
Great video, but I don't see you shouting out NBA Digitale channel for the interview with the former Eurolig coach Erdem Can!
the reason for the slogan "every game matters" is plain and simple: over here we think the Nba regular season is a bunch of pontless games, with the intensity of a walk in the park. To me, that's the same in the playoff too. I quit watching the Nba yeas ago. It's showbiz, not competition
in europe every play is combinating set. in nba is freestyle or 1 star style of playing. nba match is like more than a open training. europe basketball is more racionality, and the last. nba is like football 11x11, europe basket is like futsal :D
What coaches like Jure Zdovc do to their team is they completly destroy the joy off the game. Creativity on offense goes trought the window. No sense off free play
I remember my coach in Germany every time he was shouting like crazy he was spitting so much suliva😂
nba - tv series,cartoons,\ europa - THEATRE in europe head coach is really a person who build the team around him in nba is more like mentor and some kind of producer)) thanks for interesting theme. i respect obradovic but never understand why he so emotional. in 82 games if he will do this style he would have problems with health. nba is for the show,money, players and popcorn, for growing heroes. europe is really tournament where every game matters, nowadays teams like baskonia valencia milan and other battle in every game
Agreed, just got reminded when kyrie said one say i can be the coach and next day kd can be the coach
Generational talents that think coaching does not matter much, especially when they dont respect the coach enough in that case with Steve Nash. This is where you get these statements from
Really interested to hear your opinions!
There is no way Zeliko Obradovic could not be the best coach in the NBA. He would need a lifetime contract with a team and let him do his magic. There is just NO WAY an NBA coach being better than any Euroleague coach. Even the legend Pitino who came in Europe can agree with that.
you really think they would let zeljko scream at "superstars"? he is very passionate, what do you think would happen if his team dont play defense?
He'd go crazy - and to jail! I think that he was asked about it and he said that he doesn't want to coach stars and individuals and all that circus. He loves a team game.
@@David-wo9lu In NBA, try screaming at your players and someone will be likely at your throat, literally
Pitino was legwnd in college and a MEGA flop in hia NBA carrer. If u have only coached college bball u cant survive Europe
Zelico would had benched Antentokounmpo, LeBron and Harden because they do whatever they want in their teams without respect for their coaches
They should make a video about Duško Vujošević and his "method's" of coaching
It's quite straightforward. European basket is a team sport, much more tactical. Hence the role of the coach is much more important, and less it's the players's one. Therefore, the effort of the coaches to make players understand what they should do within the team strategies. They are the leaders, and this is understood by the players.
NBA - big player contracts, player's league, big media deals, media narratives (drama), competitive only during the postseason.
Euroleague - more competitive troughout the season, coaches actually do the coaching and are not player nannies, not a player's league by any means which IMHO is better.
10:35 did you see that travel? That's 7 steps less than a normal LeBron dunk
In one more generation of players (two at the most) Europe will be the favorites in a hypothetical basketball Ryder Cup.
I cant wait to see how one of European coaches find a way to combine strategy and right psychology in the NBA. Blatt was great coach but totaly messed up with elationship side
Still remember they fired him in the middle of a regular season where they were 1st in the East, crazy
I like ur jersey collection, i strongly think you need a thanansis jersey up there
Since I am getting more in love with Xs and Os then individual performances, you are going to make me watch Euroleage after two decades. Stopped watching Euroleage for quite a while and following NBA only. This coming from a Serb.
Having Bartzokas in the bench is a FREAKING blessing for us Olympiakos fans . The guy's literally one of the boys in his team , even if his reactions are sometimes WAY EXCESSIVE ( although for us fans , they're completely normal if anything ) .
When the competition is closer there's always the danger of getting relegated in your domestic league. That's another layer of pressure that can cause a coach to lose his sh!t.
The issue in the nba is that players have their egos through the roof and will feel attacked if yelled at
They also have a sense of security because their contracts mostly force the coaches to play them whether they are following orders or not
One question I have in mind: are NBA players roles (starting/bench for example) put down on their contract sometimes? Just wondering.
As a Serbian, do we actually have chill coach at all???
You have Obradovič and you're actually complaining about it ? Now I've heard it all 😧
@@panoskakkavas4022 it’s not a complain brother, he is the best there is and all of us are thankful for what he has done and continues to do. I am just saying thats how it is with coaches in Serbia and i love to see that passion. Love to u and Greece ❤️
great stuff bro 😎
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