I have the same issue with the slow leak on the front. I was loosing 5 psi per day. I had them taken off and reseated. Now I loose 1 psi per day. Both installes we're done professionally. This seems to be a manufacturing defect.
Yup, I ended up having a 4-5 psi a day leak as well. It's really unfortunate, because I like these tires a lot otherwise. Not sure I would continue recommending them if this is such a common issue.
This is a trick I use. You guys should try putting "Green Tire Slim" in the tires and roll it around inside the tire. It will find the leak and put a stop to it, plus if you ever get a nail or some object in the tire it will plug that leak as well. Think of it as preventive tire repairs. This will work for tubeless tires and tubed tires. I do it on every tire I've installed on my bikes and it works 100% every time. Its not always the tire, it could be the rim as well.
It was definitely the tire in this case, but you're not wrong. As soon as I mounted a Shinko to the front, no leaks persisted. I should have used slim when they were still on. Makes sense.
You're not wrong. I checked that first. When I sprayed soapy water around the entire rim on both sides, I saw slow leaking pretty much everywhere. I didn't change the valves when I mounted the shinko tire, and it held air without issue afterwards.
For anybody wondering about price. the cost per mile on these tires are the same as mentioned from this video. E07-8000 miles-$270= $0.0337/Mile K60-10000 miles-$340=$0.034/Mile
I read an article interviewing Continental's US sales manager. He explained the split like this: it's not really one vs the other. A 70/30 tire, for example, will perform about 70% of a dedicated street tire, and to about 30% of a dedicated off-road tire. Seems a better explanation than the typical division of riding conditions, which really doesn't make much sense when you think about it. Say a person rides 90% on street and 10% off-road. But, that off-road portion is knarly single track. In this case a 90/10 tire doesn't meet that rider's needs, although it fits the percent of time.spent in each condition. The Continental guy also said to buy a tire to match the worse conditions you think you'll encounter, bc, at the end of the the day, it's easier to manage an off-road tire on the street than a street tire off-road.
Now that's how simple it is when You know the basics. The sales manager breaks all the bla bla down to two fundamental aspects. And for real off road fun: take at max a 400 cc like the suzuki dr400s I own. Put on Metzeler enduro1/2 and have no worries!
Haha! That math can not possibly work. I think the sales manager has his head up his butt. That would mean that a 100% off road tire, motorcross tire, would not have any value on the pavement at all. And although it would suck it does have some ability. The same as a full on sport bike race tire can be driven down a gravel road. It does suck but it does have some ability. Also then the numbers would almost never add up to 100. TKC 80 for example, although I hate them, is pretty capable on the street but also quite capable on the dirt. Maybe 60% street and 75% dirt. I have yet to see anyone ever in the history of tires say such a thing. Although I would agree with the latter example, I do not agree that all tires add up to 100% . That's just dumb. The way the majority of the world says it is correct.
Thank you for your comprehensive review. I wish guys here would understand that riders want information, not head-banger music, experimentation with editing software or cutesy narrative. Your video is a model for guys that want the real deal.
I've got the Mitas E07's on my Mighty Suzuki DR 650. I absolutely love them. I do not notice any noise problems. They are extremely sure footed on the road and do very well in most off-road situations - especially when compared to the stock "Death Wings" that come stock on the DR. I live in Glendale AZ, and I don't care if it's even 120° - "off I go" - with no problems. I also agree that this is a "true" 50/50 tire - Like the Mighty Suzuki DR 650... A true 50/50 Dual Sport... The perfect combination, if you use the bike for both on and off road... Cheers Mate !
Obi-Wan - I've got a mighty Wee-Strong too, and I'm looking to change tyres from the confidence destroying Shinko 705's that are on it now to something better on wet tarmac. What tyres have you tried, and what do you recommend? I'm thinking 70/30 or 50/50 tyres.
I have the Mitas EO7s on my 1150gsa, they have been fantastic, 7500 miles so far, front hardly worn, rear has about 2500 or so left in it, the two things with these tyres are as you mentioned about the front losing pressure over a long period, secondly when worn down to that centre bar they can occasionally spin up a bit under throttle in a straight line, but fine in any other angle. Mine are the Dakar version and the tyre fitter said he had no trouble fitting them, but did mention how strong the sidewall was compared to other motorcycle tyres. Previously I had the original TKC 80s on this bike and managed to get 7500 miles out of them,. Mites tyres are a lot cheaper over in UK, I will be using these next time that is a definite ! Rich.
Very professional and helpful video. I have K60 Scouts on my KTM and they’re fantastic tyres...except they’re compromised in wet off road conditions - mud, very wet grass etc. That’s why I’m interested in trying a Mitas. I live 30 km from the Heidenau factory. The labor costs there are very low for Germany. The main driver of the price differential is that Heidenau are a little more established in the ADV category so Mitas are more aggressive on price, plus Germany exports in a stronger currency (the €), whereas Czech Republic (cleverly) retained their currency so they can support exports more easily (they’d be facing the same problems competing against Germany as France and Italy do if the Czechs used the Euro).
Just ordered a set of the E-07's for my R1100gsa. I wish I had seen this before ordering them because I bought the Dakar version. That being said, great review. It definitely helped cure any uneasiness I had about the tires.
This is a really neat review - thank you. I moved from Michellins to Mitas on my 850 GS and also noted a very slow leak on both the front and back tyres. They are a great tyre but it looks like I'm going to be lucky to get about 6000 kilometres (3,700 miles) from the back tyre which, as you've said, is getting a bit pricey to replace each time. Maybe the ground and rocks are harder here in Australia (LOL !). Thanks again
Great tyres all round, I have the E-07 plus on my DR650 and the E-07 on my tiger 800. A good balance of grip and wear for my type of riding which is mainly 60% dirt 40%road.
These tires are FANTASTIC on the road. I LOVE THEM. This tire is as good as any 80/20 on the road. I ride a LOT in the rain as well. I just did the tubeless conversion and these tires are doing GREAT!.
Mate, I think you ought to try Motoz Tractionator GPS. I've got these on my Honda XL1000V Varadero '08, & I'm very impressed indeed. Done about 8000km on them so far, & hardly worn, & I mainly ride on road, can lean to peg scrape, wet or dry, & found them good off road as well, so worth looking at.
Thanks for the great review. I have these tires on my 2014 Moto Guzzi Stelvio NTX 1200. Just finished the Washington BDR for a week long off-road trip, no leaks issues. The tires did marvelous. I went down once only, but due to my stupidity (too fast for my own good). Never lost traction in tricky rocky uphill. I have the Dakar version and I'm sure the stiff walls helped prevent side damage issues in some of the hard embedded rock stuff that I put them through. Also, on way back on asphalt they felt stable at highway speeds on curvy roads. All this in the dry. Can't speak to wet traction yet. Really happy with them, and given that they are hard to mount/dismount it just means they are going to force me to keep them on and get more off-road trips done! :-)
I am a huge fan of these tires. I wish the front tire came with more tread though. It seems to come already worn out. Having said that it will consistently keep your bike on track where a TKC 80 feels like you are on marbles. TKC 80 front for my bike, which is a 19" rim, is down right scary. The TKC 80 front on a 21 you can get a good tire that isn't so life threatening. Personally if I want this pattern I would choose the K60 front tire and match it with an E07 rear. Great tires for 50/50. E09's if you want something better for the big heavy bikes. If you have a lighter bike then there are many more great choices it seems. Also I should mention that I love how the rear TKC handles and slides around breaking into corners as it gives you easy control. However they wear extremely fast. I'd like to hear anyone else''s experiences with tires.
You can get alot more out of E07 if you wear them to indicators. We are talking 25-30,000mi+ range. Mitas had grafted knobs on top of full road tire; there's actually more rubber under knobs than on many new street tires. Of cause not all of the miles would be the same you get 8-12k as 50/50 and then another 8-12k as 20/80 tire.
Can vouch for the mitas et-07 on both KLR-650 and XTZ1200, wear and handle extremely well. Once thing about some of these tyres is that there are summer and winter versions. I have just bought a set of Heidenau k60's for the KLR and will put on once I have worn the mitts down to the rims, and I think I need to check again they are summer or winter rated. I hope they are summer rated - the winter rated will melt in OZ at any time of the year.
I have 6700 miles on my rear Dunlap Trailmax Mission, going to need a new tire in 1-2k miles. Have been asking around about something more aggressive off road, and the Mitas 07 has come up a few times. Thank you for also confirming. I’m going to give it a try.
Great review. I have had three sets of the K60’s front and back. I have generally gotten 12k on back and 14k on the front. The front tire always had a problem tracking in the loose sand or gravel. I have had problems with leaking a couple of pounds a week on a set. I had a dealership put on my second set and they said they used a sealant for the K60’s that would stop the leak. It did. I am going to go Mita next time. Thanks
I have tkc 80's on my xt 600 E. On road is ok but off road is great! My commute to work is all on road and no problems what so ever with the tkc 80. I'd say its a 40/60 but most people would say 30/70. They dont last long though... I was about to order the k60 scouts but you convinced me to buy the mitas. Thanks!
Good review, I looked at the EO7 and I looked at the K60. Tread pattern was similar and I was going for longevity. Very pleased with the K60’s would buy them again.
I rode K60s on a rental bike down in Chile and Argentina - that sold me - I now have 8,000 miles on a set of K60s on my F800GS - I’ll take the longevity over performance
Also had the slow leak problem on the E07 Front. It also became noisy and drifting around at higher speed. 160km/h plus. Not a bad tyre. Got only 4500km out of the rear with my 2013 GS1200. On Pirelli Scorpion Rallye STR now. Better tyre in all conditions. Similar wear.
I run e07s on my versys x-300, and I love them. I use them for short highway commutes and forestry roads - does both quite well. I've got 7500 km on them so far, with the rear just starting to get a flat spot in the middle. I think I might get 9-10 thousand on them, which is pretty good as far as I'm concerned. They've already outlasted the stock road tires it came with.
Thanks for the review! I am in a similar sitiuation where I have to ride >150km before I can hit the dirt. I currently use Metzeler Karroo 3 on my KTM 790R. They do great on dry roads and (dry) dirt but absolutely terrible in rain and even on grass it sometimes feels like I am riding in mudd. On rocky paths it tends to jump around quite a lot. I am thinking about buying a second pair of rims and switch depending on what I want to do that day. This way I could have 80/20 for long tours with lots of road and propper offroad tires for hard offroading with 'only' the 2x200km commute. One tire for everything would be so great but unfortunately I don't think I will find that tire that would fit my offroad needs as well as being able to do 2000km tours through the alps.
Just put a pair on my 1190 r today, looking forward to ride them, did 70 MPH on highway and my tire lost the pressure very close call.. was able to stable the bike thanks to being a KTM.. funny i thought i heard a hissing sound... Thank you.
I have a Mitas E-07 100/90-19 on the front and a Heidenau K60 M+S Silica 120/90-18 on my Virago-based scrambler. The Silica version of the K60 has better grip wet and dry on sealed roads compared to the non-silica version. The narrow profile also avoids the centre section, which improve grip in the dirt. Ridden briskly on asphalt, the outer knobs of the K60 will crumble almost like a sport tyre, and the sharp edges of the tyre blocks are rapidly rounded. They stay sharper in the centre of the tyre. Both tyres grip very well on dry sealed roads, but they are not as good in the wet so I slow down to stay safe. I expect them to last about the same, maybe 7k miles. I find the bike offer great stability even doing the ton, and also on fire roads the stability is amazing. In sand or snow, though, the front end tucks constantly. I do not feel any vibrations once riding (rolling over a smooth concrete floor, though, there is a rattle felt through the bike) and there isn't any noise that I react to. I would like a more classic look, but due to their great performance I will retain the combination once this pair wears out.
Thanks for the fine review and commentary! Confessedly, I've not tried either of these but have tried Shinko 804-805 with pretty amazing results though Not the long life - these are only rated to 99mph though I did pass a few times clipping a buck, 20, sweating only slightly... I've also tried Shinko's 705s, perhaps the best dollar value on an ADV tire but Not up to serious off-road nor long life... I also recently tested the new Metzeler Karoo Streets which were practically like track tires on the tarmac, the adhesion was so good but off-road and lifespan were not so good. I also am trying out a Shinko 805 rear combined with the Metzeler Karoo 3 up front and am finding this combo to work Very well off-road and OK on road if you don't mind a kind of an osolating vibration and are taking a bit easier on the twisties... have never liked using dissimilar tire types but I do like the added security the Metzeler provides up front and LOVE the traction of the 805s in the rear...BTW, I also use Ride-On sealant in both tires to help reduce puncture leak and improve critical balance - Funny, I have the exact same color scheme on my R1200GSA... Thanks for sharing!
I've been running the Shinko 804/805s pretty recently and they have been pretty amazing for the price. Glad to hear you're finding the right tire combo for yourself. I also previously did not like combining tires, but I've had pretty decent results doing so.
Thank for the review. I haven't tried these yet but have been using K60s. Not real thrilled on their performance on wet pavement but I ride super paranoid in the wet anyways. My biggest complaint is the highway howl, which gets worse as the tire wears, but longevity is phenomenal at 13k on the rear and 20k+ on the front. and yes, they all seem to leak at the rim. I use bead sealer (automotive black stuff) which seems to take care of the problem, but is quite messy. I assume the leak problem is due to the hard sidewall rubber - these are a PITA to mount. Interested to see what you have to say about the Moto-Z if you get around to trying it out. Looks like I won't get away from the highway howl though despite the advertising BS about "computer designed thread to minimize noise"...
Nice video. I just got K60s for my Africa Twin, but like you, it takes me an hour or so on the highway to even get to any dirt to ride on -- so I'm OK with the slight highway bias of the Heidenaus. Plus I commute on the bike every day. The Mitas will be on my short list for the next tire go-around.
Nice! The K60s are still some of the best in my opinion, and I just rode with two friends who were running them on a liquid cooled R1200GSA and a F800GSA in some slightly gnarly terrain. Neither had any trouble with traction. I still highly suggest giving these a try as you plan on doing. They have been fantastic in most ways.
I have 10k on my rear right now and I expect another 2k. I commute 200 miles/wk on my '16 Africa Twin. Gravel starts at the end of my short road so riding two up on gravel is a weekly event. I have the dakar version and like you it was stupid hard!! Actually I ended up pinching both front and rear tubes. Something I have never experienced as I do all my own tire changes. Had to go to my tire guy to get the job done. Im going to finish this season on this set and give the non dakar version a go this winter. Great tire IMO and I dont care to change. For me they have done well in all conditions. The front does get squirrelly aproaching 100 mph. The front is loud but rear seems quiet.
Running these on my 02 GSA and I also experience the front losing pressure at the same rate you noted. I'm expecting to get 6K miles from the rear and 8K miles from the front. I like these tires!
Thank you for the review. I was gonna try a set of k60. Then I read comments about mitas I have a friend that has them on a klr. They don’t last long. I’m going with some shinko 705. I got them on a DR650. I like them. I’m going to put them on my vstrom 650.
I'm going to try a set of those next I think, as I have a few friends that rave about them. I need to figure out why all of my mechanic friends don't trust them, as everyone I have talked to who has used Shinkos has been happy with them (especially for the price).
I've found the Shinko 705's have destroyed my wet tarmac confidence. Off road they're not too bad if you keep the pressure down around 25f/30r. I've ridden them on road at those low pressures and have found them more stable and predictable than when they're run at full street psi.
Good and earnest explanation thank you We had Only 7000 km with the OEM Dunlop tires on my New 2019 Honda AfricaTwin and both front and back are almost worn out 🤢 I am not impressed by the grip of the OEM tires and are now looking for new 50/50 ones the AT are actually rather heavy so we have come down to the Mitas E07+ or the new Dunlop Trailmax Mision
I ride a much smaller bike. Metzeler Sahara gave good performance on and off road, changed at 15 000 km though they still had mileage to go. Currently using Michelin Sirac (more affordable) and very happy with them.= at 13 000 km
I had some issues mounting the Dakar version but I am very happy with the tire. Once I went into bear mode I got the front tire on. I think the rear will be easier to mount on my Tenere once the factory Metzler has worn down enough to change it. I do get a little noise from the E-07 at a slight lean but other than that, its not noticeable over the Metzlers.
I hear that leaving the tires in the sun for a while before mounting them makes it a bit easier. Haven't tried that, but it would make sense if you live in a hot enough area.
Bought the dakkar version minutes before watching this vid for my 700gs 😂 besides the stiffness you mention do think they will perform good? Cheers man
As long as they are mounted correctly and the bead isn't ripped, I'm sure they'll work well for you and I hope they don't leak. I ran the dakar versions at a lower pressure to keep better traction all around. I ride pretty aggressively on the street sometimes so I keep them around 32psi front and 36psi rear. The local BMW dealer tends to fill my tires to 36psi front and 42psi rear, so 32/36 seems like the lower side of the spectrum.
MotoCamp - Also, I've heard most leaking problems are valve stem related. I "maybe" lose 1 pound every 2 weeks, and I'm not so sure it's "not" temperature related.... I have no problem, continuing to recommend this tire, and continuously do so...
I got 11810mi on my latest set of K60 Scout (my fourth) with atlest 1000 left on them, (upcoming holiday). Have not really experienced any problems with them, like bad grip in rain, has had some wash outs, nothing serious, yet.... But they are not very agressive, type 40/60 is a suitable description. But I tend to wear out the front tire first !? Maybe because I drive like a snail;) Yes, whey leak, different on different batches. But it depend on that they have such damn hard sidewalls, I guess. Had 5.8psi once on the rear wheel, then I thought it was a bit low! However, I think it's damn good tires! Handel all I ask of them, decent, not the best at anything, but decent at everything!! And cheap! R1150GS 2000 yellow! 73940mi on the clock, and still running great! (Google Translate)
KTM 950 ADV - use: 75% tarmac 25% trails, rarely mud K60 rear / mitas E07 front or E07's front and rear E07 rear: 5000-6000 KM E07 front: 8000 KM max Actual K60 rear: 3000km and about 40% wear... hope to get 8000 km out of it The lastest K60 and E07 (after 2019?) are M+S meaning softer rubber compound resulting in good cold and wet weather pavement grip but less mileage ... Agree about the dakar version... although both E07 versions (dakar/non dakar) are very puncture resistant (actually never had puncture with K60 nor E07) it remains daunting to get them on or off the rim with inner tubes interfering.
Your review sealed the deal for me...ordering a set to mount on my tubeless wire rims. I'll probably keep using 705s on the cast wheels for day-to-day. I have previously run K60s as I was seeking extended mileage as well as better off road grip, but I barely got 4500 each from two Scout rears and didnt think the nominal increase over the 705s (3500 typical) justified the price. The Mitas are much cheaper and having two sets of wheels will help prolong the life of both. Looked like some of the video was taken on Comanche Road and Elkorn Grade/Simmler. right?
I had the first Mitas E07 Dakar running on my heavy R1200GSA for 22.000 km (13.670 mi) on the rear and impressive 38.000 km (23.600 mi) on the front wheel. I mostly ride on very hot Latin American roads and I think the key is the speed you go. I mostly don't go faster then 80 miles because the roads don't permit it and thats why I think I got that millage. I definitely buy these tires again. Great grip on and off road, it's worth the price.
Speed is certainly a huge factor in tire wear that I failed to mention in this video. I think a factor in my personal tire wear is living in a city and commuting to and from work every day. All of the stop lights and stop signs mean that I take off from a stop very often, and I do so too aggressively. My last tire, a TKC70, had worn much faster in the center even though I was using the entire edge of the tire in aggressive corners. Doing wheelies from stop signs has been a bad habit of mine :D But for real, I should probably stop doing that.
Thanks for a great video. Im was thinking of K60 Scout or Mitas e07 tires on my 95 Transalp. Have to say, the bad traction on wet tarmac you and other talk about made me more shure about the e07. I live in Norway, and rain`s alot here. Still i want a tire to make me abel to just hit the hills on gravel and dirt but also ok safe on wet tarmac. Im all new to motorcycle, first ride this summer after 20 years. And your review help alot on this.
I just bought E07's from Revzilla since they couldn't get K60's in my size until August for my KLR. The E07's were $40 MORE than the Heidenau, just the opposite from your experience. My current Scout k60's have 7k miles but I'm changing them out before a long summer camping trip.
Yeah, I figured tire prices would be fluctuating over time. I think Mitas "gained traction" in the adventure riding community since then and has taken advantage by raising the prices. Alternatively, there might be a high demand for the tire without enough inventory. Definitely a good idea to change those K60s out before the trip. Enjoy it!
I just bought me a set of Mitas e-07 dakar tires and put on to my bike(aprilia pegaso 650 ga) and it have spoke rims so it have innertubes that i had to take care of and dont squice with the levers at the same time while giving al I had on the tire levers and really had quite a job puting the dakar mitas 07 on to my rims just by my self with only a couple of tire levers, but got them on finally, after several rounds but it took me a couple of hours pr tire and the most of the saturday morning for both. what i did was putting the tires for "pre heat " in front of my wood stove while firing up whit wood so i got the tires warm and as flexible as possible than i got them on,but just ...... but i hope i dont get a flat in the middle of nowhere and in cold conditions when i cant heat up the tires and than have to repair a flat. course as you say they where tough to get on due to the stiffness and hard sidewalls,
Well that is really interesting. You have totally contrast/oposite opinion about these tires, than we in Poland about Mitas E-07. In Poland Mitas are made from hard rubber, which is very bad on wet asphalt, and last more longer, that Heidenau Scout K60. So what about K60 in Poland? These are made from soft rubber and performance very well on asphalt, even when it's wet. Also K60 are wearing faster than E-07. Well.. it's strange, that in your country these two models of tires are totally oposite to each other than in our counrty.
i'd love to see you do a review of the Anakee Adventure tires. Its what I use now on my Africa Twin. It handles the road for about as well as a pure road tire (to me, but I'm kind of a conservative rider. ) . And it handles surprisingly well in the dirt.
I'm actually using one on the rear of my R1200GS right now! I've got a Shinko 705 in the front so I can't give it a proper review, but I'm pretty happy with the performance of it, even given the higher price. They seem to hook up in the dirt and on the road the best out of the street-bike profile dual-sport tires that I've used. I can still slide out the rear rather easily in the dirt if I give it throttle, but that's only when I'm purposely doing so. Tire reviews are A LOT of work if I want to do them right, but they certainly attract the most views so I might give the Michelin Anakee Adventures a proper review given the performance I've seen. Glad to hear you're enjoying them, and on a proper bike as well :)
@@hillkiran I was on a long trip around the western U.S. and that ended up being the closest match to my shinko at one of the moto shops in Salt Lake City area, and I've been running it since lol. I run a lot of different combinations these days because my front tire wears so much slower than my rear.
Hi, thanks for the well done video! I'm getting near the end of life on a pair of Mitas E-07 (plain, not Dakar) that were mounted on a Vstrom 650 to do the trans Labrador highway and was considering trying the K60's. After watching this, I've decided to stick with the Mitas. I had no complaints while using them other that it was tough to get the front tire to seat the bead after the initial install. Great all around tire, IMO.
I think you're making a good call. The K60s are good, but these are generally better in my opinion as mentioned in the video. Don't be afraid to try other tires, though, as tires are usually a very subjective topic for most people, only basing opinions based on what they've used in the past. I've got a few friends that won't bother trying anything other than the K60 and I keep telling them they might be missing out on performance, especially if they skew further into road riding or dirt riding. Ride safe out there and thanks for watching!
hank122s hank122s. I've got these on my vstrom,felt funny the first 500 miles on pavement but now there great.I put them on for my alaska trip which got cancelled due to a broken clutch cable(long story).word to the wise if your vstrom has plus length cables make sure to have a spare,took 20 days to get mine.trip cancelled.
@@clintcox4278 & hank122s - hi guys, I've got a 650 V-Strom too, and I'm looking at new 50/50 - 70/30 tyres, and I'm wondering what other tyres you've tried and what you think of them? I've got Shinko 705's on at the moment and they are really confidence destroying on wet tarmac. I've got some tyres in mind, but I'd like your opinions please.
How dirt oriented can a tire get before I need to start slowing down in twisties? My name isn't Valentino but I like to get low in the turns. So I guess my question is: how far into dirt oriented can I get before I'm giving up the ability to scrape pegs on the road? On a T7. I know the ratio can get contentious but should I be looking at 50/50's or more like 80/20's? Should I be looking at someting like the 805's?
The 805s are more dirt oriented than this tire in my experience. There's a lot of variables involved making this a difficult to answer question. In my personal experience, I've still scrapped footpeg on my 804/805s but in perfect, warm weather California conditions on a bike with a lot of mechanical grip (i.e. heavy weight).
You forgot to mention one of the major characteristics,,,GAS MILEAGE. Other than that, I'm sold on these tires. Thanks for taking the time. Oh, did you notice any difference in fuel economy?
I've run the Mitas E-07 (Front & Rear) for 8,000km on my KTM 950 adventure and still handle like the first day I put them on. These tires are the best 50/50 tire and I'll run them again. I just put on the rear an E-07( Plus) and looking forward to seeing what it's like. This season I plan to ride more off-road and so my combination is front Continental TKC 80 and a rear Mitas E-07 Plus, so far it's awesome and can't wait to get on my bike trip. AdventureMonkey
AdventureMonkey I ride a KTM 1290sa t I've not been on many dirt or Rocky roads yet. For riding on an average dirt road at slow speeds do you need 50/50 tires? I got the impression that those are trail tires. Most of my riding is on pavement. I want to ride down more dirt roads not sure what I need tire wise
The new ones don't have that centre line any more. However, for my 1190r, no one has them in stock both front and rear. All the shops in Europe I contacted have Dakar E07's in backorder. My KTM dealer has a front 90/90/21 Tubeless in backorder for me since December 2017, it's March 17 2018 now :'( I was tired of waiting and I'm going to start with an E10 Dakar TL in the front now. Thx for the review ! I only wish they would be easily available. They are indeed very stiff, I hope my dealer can mount them no problem. If you pre heat them with a heat gun, they should mount more easy.
I think what you're referring to is the E-07+ that doesn't have the center bar. I don't think they got rid of the original E-07 or E-07 Dakar but I could be wrong. When the tires are new, that center bar is recessed, so it may look like the photos or graphics used on websites are showing no center bar. Revzilla always seems to have a set for my bike in stock but I have found that smaller online stores have trouble keeping stock of them. That's a very smart idea to preheat the tires with a heat gun. I didn't think of that and wish I had.
I'd say just go full Mitas if you're choosing between the two. Should grip better in the wet and longevity up front will be similar. With all of the newer tire offerings, I'd also check out the TKC70 Rocks and Dunlop Trailmax Missions. These will be slightly less dirt oriented but offer a good mix of road and dirt traction. Are you planning on hitting the mud or sand at all? If so, I'd go more aggressive (Shinko 804/805s work good for me).
I tried the Heidies on my F650GS and ran into high speed wobble issues which scared the bejeezuz out of me. I've since learned they cause that with certain bikes (not sure why). Then I switched to the Mitas E-07 which I absolutely loved. I've since replaced that bike and instead of getting the E-07s again, I'm considering the Motoz GPS. Would love to get your opinion (if you have one) on them.
I haven't run them yet, but I think that's my next tire to try out as well. I'll bet the Heidenaus were unstable because the size of the tire is different, which means the tread pattern is different on the rear. They don't have that center bar like they do on the larger tires. That probably means they are better dirt tires than the 150/70/17s, but present that trade off of highway stability. Not totally relevant, but if you look back at my way older videos, I used to ride an F650GS as my first bike. It took me across the U.S. and I miss it from a nostalgic point of view (not so much in performance haha).
Thank you for your review. I have used them, compound is too hard so long lasting but front tyre looses pressure and both behave badly in the wet. I wish they d use a slightly softer compound. Pirelli str rally a better tyre I think
Question: I have a Husaberg FE390 for serious off road fun, but I just bought a fairly light adventure bike for longer trips. My new Kawasaki Versys X300 weighs 385 wet. In your opinion, would the E07 be a good tire for this machine (50/50 street/gravel - a I live in the wilderness, 6 miles to the nearest pavement). BTW, Great vid.
My experience with these tires have all been on heavy bikes, so I can't give you any guarantees in terms of how it's going to perform. With that said, if they make them in the right size for that bike, I can't imagine them being a bad choice.
@@MotoCampAdventure Ray here, again. I did, indeed, put the Mitas E07s on my Versys X300. I am very happy with them - about 2200 miles on them now. Wear in minimal, hookup in dirt/gravel is excellent. Two trips into the high county in SW Colorado has made me a believer. For a 50/50 tires I could not expect more on road or off. Now planning on E07s for my V-Strom 650-XT. Not a 50/50 bike, but I ride 5+ miles in any direction to hit pavement and we have lots of forest roads and gas well roads to ride. Thanks again for your vids!
@@GeezerWheels So happy to hear that they're working out for you on the smaller bike, and that you're using them as intended! Thanks for returning a year later to let me and others know!
hi, awesome review. help please!, the e07, after x miles, the rear becomes a solid center strip? i liked that its separated in the center, but i dotn like that when its used up it becomes solid in the center. thoughts please
The center strip is a good thing if you are on a long trip. Not that big of deal if you are just doing short trips. You wouldn't need to worry about getting back home without a tire change.
Not sure what your tire sizes are, but I can't imagine this being a bad tire for that bike. They would definitely be closer to a 60/40 than a 70/30 in my opinion. I'm sure there's a whole different selection of tires not offered for my big adventure bike that you would have access to with that bike. The only tires I know of in the 70/30 range would be the TKC 70s. Hope that is at least somewhat helpful.
hi i've tried both tyres on my ktm 690 Enduro. The E07, in my opinion, are the better choice! On-road, i can ride them even harder than the k60! The Heidenaus become very slippery on a light bike after aroud 5000Km. On the Mitas, i did some parts of the TET and some gravel fun like: Colle de Chaberton, Parpallion or LGKS and the tyres are excelent for stuff like this.
Mine has gotten real bad, like 4 PSI a day bad. They are at the end of their service life and I'll be swapping on a set of Shinko 804/805s for testing and reviewing next. Hopefully they hold air. It's a real pain to keep my bicycle pump next to my bike just to inflate it every morning. I would honesty knock off a point or two for this leak alone at this point. Great tires otherwise.
The K60 front is generally an alright tire. The tread patterns are pretty similar. I think the trade off is that the K60 front will be a little harder rubber, so there's a little more risk of a low side crash on the pavement, but honestly it's not substantial enough to make a difference. You'd be fine with either. Generally speaking the Mitas E-07s have been much cheaper than the K60s though. If it were me, I'd get the Mitas E-07 front over the K60.
You can try a Continental TKC 80 front with the E-07 rear. The TKC is better in the dirt and works very well for a knobby tire on the road. Many 50/50 riders choose this combo because the TKC front wears out at the same rate as the E-07 rear.
@@yellowsheeps I'm not a fan of the TKC80 front tire on the road. I get what you're saying, but that TKC80 front is less than confidence inspiring on the road. I actually prefer the Shinko E804/E805 for a front tire. They corner much better, last longer, and are way cheaper. I actually prefer the rear in the sand as well if you go with a full set. I think that will be my next tire review since I've now run a few sets of them.
@@MotoCampAdventure Can't argue with your experience. I think tire choice is very dependant on motorcycle and rider. Luckily we have many choices today so it's just trying different tires until we find something we like.
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I have the same issue with the slow leak on the front. I was loosing 5 psi per day. I had them taken off and reseated. Now I loose 1 psi per day. Both installes we're done professionally. This seems to be a manufacturing defect.
Yup, I ended up having a 4-5 psi a day leak as well. It's really unfortunate, because I like these tires a lot otherwise. Not sure I would continue recommending them if this is such a common issue.
This is a trick I use. You guys should try putting "Green Tire Slim" in the tires and roll it around inside the tire. It will find the leak and put a stop to it, plus if you ever get a nail or some object in the tire it will plug that leak as well. Think of it as preventive tire repairs. This will work for tubeless tires and tubed tires. I do it on every tire I've installed on my bikes and it works 100% every time. Its not always the tire, it could be the rim as well.
It was definitely the tire in this case, but you're not wrong. As soon as I mounted a Shinko to the front, no leaks persisted. I should have used slim when they were still on. Makes sense.
Valves are easy to overlook as well....
You're not wrong. I checked that first. When I sprayed soapy water around the entire rim on both sides, I saw slow leaking pretty much everywhere. I didn't change the valves when I mounted the shinko tire, and it held air without issue afterwards.
For anybody wondering about price. the cost per mile on these tires are the same as mentioned from this video.
E07-8000 miles-$270= $0.0337/Mile
K60-10000 miles-$340=$0.034/Mile
Cool. Thanks for that.
I read an article interviewing Continental's US sales manager. He explained the split like this: it's not really one vs the other. A 70/30 tire, for example, will perform about 70% of a dedicated street tire, and to about 30% of a dedicated off-road tire. Seems a better explanation than the typical division of riding conditions, which really doesn't make much sense when you think about it. Say a person rides 90% on street and 10% off-road. But, that off-road portion is knarly single track. In this case a 90/10 tire doesn't meet that rider's needs, although it fits the percent of time.spent in each condition. The Continental guy also said to buy a tire to match the worse conditions you think you'll encounter, bc, at the end of the the day, it's easier to manage an off-road tire on the street than a street tire off-road.
Now that's how simple it is when You know the basics. The sales manager breaks all the bla bla down to two fundamental aspects.
And for real off road fun: take at max a 400 cc like the suzuki dr400s I own. Put on Metzeler enduro1/2 and have no worries!
Haha! That math can not possibly work. I think the sales manager has his head up his butt. That would mean that a 100% off road tire, motorcross tire, would not have any value on the pavement at all. And although it would suck it does have some ability. The same as a full on sport bike race tire can be driven down a gravel road. It does suck but it does have some ability.
Also then the numbers would almost never add up to 100. TKC 80 for example, although I hate them, is pretty capable on the street but also quite capable on the dirt. Maybe 60% street and 75% dirt. I have yet to see anyone ever in the history of tires say such a thing. Although I would agree with the latter example, I do not agree that all tires add up to 100% . That's just dumb. The way the majority of the world says it is correct.
@@WhatTimeIsIt369 It wouldn't have to add up to 100. But, if someone offered a 100/5 tire, it would baffle the sh*t out of the nimrods.
Thank you for your comprehensive review. I wish guys here would understand that riders want information, not head-banger music, experimentation with editing software or cutesy narrative. Your video is a model for guys that want the real deal.
Good review. Just got my second set of E07's on my 650gs. Did about 20 000km on the first set. Never had a problem.
I've got the Mitas E07's on my Mighty Suzuki DR 650. I absolutely love them. I do not notice any noise problems. They are extremely sure footed on the road and do very well in most off-road situations - especially when compared to the stock "Death Wings" that come stock on the DR. I live in Glendale AZ, and I don't care if it's even 120° - "off I go" - with no problems.
I also agree that this is a "true" 50/50 tire - Like the Mighty Suzuki DR 650... A true 50/50 Dual Sport... The perfect combination, if you use the bike for both on and off road...
Cheers Mate !
Obi-Wan - I've got a mighty Wee-Strong too, and I'm looking to change tyres from the confidence destroying Shinko 705's that are on it now to something better on wet tarmac. What tyres have you tried, and what do you recommend? I'm thinking 70/30 or 50/50 tyres.
THANK YOU.
I do APPRECIATE your comments Obi-Wan.
Thank you.
Greetings from 'OZ'. (Australia)
I have the Mitas EO7s on my 1150gsa, they have been fantastic, 7500 miles so far, front hardly worn, rear has about 2500 or so left in it, the two things with these tyres are as you mentioned about the front losing pressure over a long period, secondly when worn down to that centre bar they can occasionally spin up a bit under throttle in a straight line, but fine in any other angle.
Mine are the Dakar version and the tyre fitter said he had no trouble fitting them, but did mention how strong the sidewall was compared to other motorcycle tyres.
Previously I had the original TKC 80s on this bike and managed to get 7500 miles out of them,.
Mites tyres are a lot cheaper over in UK, I will be using these next time that is a definite !
Rich.
My next set of GSA 50/50 tire. Thx for an informative review.
Very professional and helpful video. I have K60 Scouts on my KTM and they’re fantastic tyres...except they’re compromised in wet off road conditions - mud, very wet grass etc. That’s why I’m interested in trying a Mitas.
I live 30 km from the Heidenau factory. The labor costs there are very low for Germany. The main driver of the price differential is that Heidenau are a little more established in the ADV category so Mitas are more aggressive on price, plus Germany exports in a stronger currency (the €), whereas Czech Republic (cleverly) retained their currency so they can support exports more easily (they’d be facing the same problems competing against Germany as France and Italy do if the Czechs used the Euro).
Ah, that makes sense. I never thought about that. Thanks for watching!
Clevaarrr! Ta for that industry insight :)
Just ordered a set of the E-07's for my R1100gsa. I wish I had seen this before ordering them because I bought the Dakar version. That being said, great review. It definitely helped cure any uneasiness I had about the tires.
You'll probably be fine. I'd rather have the dakar versions of these tires than most other tires anyway. Thanks for watching!
This is a really neat review - thank you. I moved from Michellins to Mitas on my 850 GS and also noted a very slow leak on both the front and back tyres. They are a great tyre but it looks like I'm going to be lucky to get about 6000 kilometres (3,700 miles) from the back tyre which, as you've said, is getting a bit pricey to replace each time. Maybe the ground and rocks are harder here in Australia (LOL !). Thanks again
Good tires, just put them on my Africa twin and really happy 😄 about
Great tyres all round, I have the E-07 plus on my DR650 and the E-07 on my tiger 800. A good balance of grip and wear for my type of riding which is mainly 60% dirt 40%road.
Heard the "plus" has more stability in tougher conditions, even on wet asphalt
These tires are FANTASTIC on the road. I LOVE THEM. This tire is as good as any 80/20 on the road. I ride a LOT in the rain as well. I just did the tubeless conversion and these tires are doing GREAT!.
Hey!
Do these tires:
Slip when trying to wheelie? (Power loss due to slip)
Can you scrape footpegs with them?
Ur slip when trying to wheelie is ur technique I'm afraid, get a trials bike it will change ur life and riding.
Mate, I think you ought to try Motoz Tractionator GPS. I've got these on my Honda XL1000V Varadero '08, & I'm very impressed indeed. Done about 8000km on them so far, & hardly worn, & I mainly ride on road, can lean to peg scrape, wet or dry, & found them good off road as well, so worth looking at.
I'm definitely interested in trying a pair in the future.
Thanks for the great review. I have these tires on my 2014 Moto Guzzi Stelvio NTX 1200. Just finished the Washington BDR for a week long off-road trip, no leaks issues. The tires did marvelous. I went down once only, but due to my stupidity (too fast for my own good). Never lost traction in tricky rocky uphill. I have the Dakar version and I'm sure the stiff walls helped prevent side damage issues in some of the hard embedded rock stuff that I put them through. Also, on way back on asphalt they felt stable at highway speeds on curvy roads. All this in the dry. Can't speak to wet traction yet. Really happy with them, and given that they are hard to mount/dismount it just means they are going to force me to keep them on and get more off-road trips done! :-)
thanks for your review, you had a valuable contribution in my decision to choice my next tire
I am a huge fan of these tires. I wish the front tire came with more tread though. It seems to come already worn out. Having said that it will consistently keep your bike on track where a TKC 80 feels like you are on marbles. TKC 80 front for my bike, which is a 19" rim, is down right scary. The TKC 80 front on a 21 you can get a good tire that isn't so life threatening. Personally if I want this pattern I would choose the K60 front tire and match it with an E07 rear. Great tires for 50/50. E09's if you want something better for the big heavy bikes. If you have a lighter bike then there are many more great choices it seems. Also I should mention that I love how the rear TKC handles and slides around breaking into corners as it gives you easy control. However they wear extremely fast.
I'd like to hear anyone else''s experiences with tires.
You can get alot more out of E07 if you wear them to indicators. We are talking 25-30,000mi+ range. Mitas had grafted knobs on top of full road tire; there's actually more rubber under knobs than on many new street tires.
Of cause not all of the miles would be the same you get 8-12k as 50/50 and then another 8-12k as 20/80 tire.
No leaks on my 07+, great tires
Can vouch for the mitas et-07 on both KLR-650 and XTZ1200, wear and handle extremely well. Once thing about some of these tyres is that there are summer and winter versions. I have just bought a set of Heidenau k60's for the KLR and will put on once I have worn the mitts down to the rims, and I think I need to check again they are summer or winter rated. I hope they are summer rated - the winter rated will melt in OZ at any time of the year.
Thank you...from another former KLR and current S10 owner :)
I have 6700 miles on my rear Dunlap Trailmax Mission, going to need a new tire in 1-2k miles. Have been asking around about something more aggressive off road, and the Mitas 07 has come up a few times. Thank you for also confirming. I’m going to give it a try.
Great review. I have had three sets of the K60’s front and back. I have generally gotten 12k on back and 14k on the front. The front tire always had a problem tracking in the loose sand or gravel. I have had problems with leaking a couple of pounds a week on a set. I had a dealership put on my second set and they said they used a sealant for the K60’s that would stop the leak. It did. I am going to go Mita next time. Thanks
agree....ear plugs mandatory beyond 30 minutes.
Yes, also depends on tge helmet.. might be even less
I have tkc 80's on my xt 600 E. On road is ok but off road is great!
My commute to work is all on road and no problems what so ever with the tkc 80.
I'd say its a 40/60 but most people would say 30/70. They dont last long though...
I was about to order the k60 scouts but you convinced me to buy the mitas.
Thanks!
Good review, I looked at the EO7 and I looked at the K60. Tread pattern was similar and I was going for longevity. Very pleased with the K60’s would buy them again.
Thank you for the tip about dakar version being too difficult. Helped me to avoid it
I rode K60s on a rental bike down in Chile and Argentina - that sold me - I now have 8,000 miles on a set of K60s on my F800GS - I’ll take the longevity over performance
I wanted the Mitas when I bought my last tires, but the shops here couldn’t get them.
There's probably better options at this point anyway. Don't buy K60s anymore either.
gotta love those demon tire mounts
Also had the slow leak problem on the E07 Front. It also became noisy and drifting around at higher speed. 160km/h plus. Not a bad tyre. Got only 4500km out of the rear with my 2013 GS1200. On Pirelli Scorpion Rallye STR now. Better tyre in all conditions. Similar wear.
I run e07s on my versys x-300, and I love them. I use them for short highway commutes and forestry roads - does both quite well. I've got 7500 km on them so far, with the rear just starting to get a flat spot in the middle. I think I might get 9-10 thousand on them, which is pretty good as far as I'm concerned. They've already outlasted the stock road tires it came with.
Thanks for the review! I am in a similar sitiuation where I have to ride >150km before I can hit the dirt. I currently use Metzeler Karroo 3 on my KTM 790R. They do great on dry roads and (dry) dirt but absolutely terrible in rain and even on grass it sometimes feels like I am riding in mudd. On rocky paths it tends to jump around quite a lot. I am thinking about buying a second pair of rims and switch depending on what I want to do that day. This way I could have 80/20 for long tours with lots of road and propper offroad tires for hard offroading with 'only' the 2x200km commute. One tire for everything would be so great but unfortunately I don't think I will find that tire that would fit my offroad needs as well as being able to do 2000km tours through the alps.
Like your review, after some e 07s for my next tyres, so looking forward to that.
Great overview. Did you ever change any of them with hand tool trail side, and if so, which was easier to deal with?
Thankfully I never had to but I can imagine it would be incredibly difficult. Also these specific tires are discontinued as far as I know.
Just put a pair on my 1190 r today, looking forward to ride them, did 70 MPH on highway and my tire lost the pressure very close call.. was able to stable the bike thanks to being a KTM.. funny i thought i heard a hissing sound...
Thank you.
On a 650 I matched an E07 17” rear with a MT21 21” front - worked well.
I have a Mitas E-07 100/90-19 on the front and a Heidenau K60 M+S Silica 120/90-18 on my Virago-based scrambler. The Silica version of the K60 has better grip wet and dry on sealed roads compared to the non-silica version. The narrow profile also avoids the centre section, which improve grip in the dirt. Ridden briskly on asphalt, the outer knobs of the K60 will crumble almost like a sport tyre, and the sharp edges of the tyre blocks are rapidly rounded. They stay sharper in the centre of the tyre. Both tyres grip very well on dry sealed roads, but they are not as good in the wet so I slow down to stay safe. I expect them to last about the same, maybe 7k miles. I find the bike offer great stability even doing the ton, and also on fire roads the stability is amazing. In sand or snow, though, the front end tucks constantly. I do not feel any vibrations once riding (rolling over a smooth concrete floor, though, there is a rattle felt through the bike) and there isn't any noise that I react to. I would like a more classic look, but due to their great performance I will retain the combination once this pair wears out.
Thanks for the fine review and commentary! Confessedly, I've not tried either of these but have tried Shinko 804-805 with pretty amazing results though Not the long life - these are only rated to 99mph though I did pass a few times clipping a buck, 20, sweating only slightly... I've also tried Shinko's 705s, perhaps the best dollar value on an ADV tire but Not up to serious off-road nor long life... I also recently tested the new Metzeler Karoo Streets which were practically like track tires on the tarmac, the adhesion was so good but off-road and lifespan were not so good. I also am trying out a Shinko 805 rear combined with the Metzeler Karoo 3 up front and am finding this combo to work Very well off-road and OK on road if you don't mind a kind of an osolating vibration and are taking a bit easier on the twisties... have never liked using dissimilar tire types but I do like the added security the Metzeler provides up front and LOVE the traction of the 805s in the rear...BTW, I also use Ride-On sealant in both tires to help reduce puncture leak and improve critical balance - Funny, I have the exact same color scheme on my R1200GSA... Thanks for sharing!
I've been running the Shinko 804/805s pretty recently and they have been pretty amazing for the price. Glad to hear you're finding the right tire combo for yourself. I also previously did not like combining tires, but I've had pretty decent results doing so.
Thank for the review. I haven't tried these yet but have been using K60s. Not real thrilled on their performance on wet pavement but I ride super paranoid in the wet anyways. My biggest complaint is the highway howl, which gets worse as the tire wears, but longevity is phenomenal at 13k on the rear and 20k+ on the front. and yes, they all seem to leak at the rim. I use bead sealer (automotive black stuff) which seems to take care of the problem, but is quite messy. I assume the leak problem is due to the hard sidewall rubber - these are a PITA to mount. Interested to see what you have to say about the Moto-Z if you get around to trying it out. Looks like I won't get away from the highway howl though despite the advertising BS about "computer designed thread to minimize noise"...
The perfect 50/50 long wear tire setup is a E-07 front with a motoz gps rear. I love the gps rear but the front follows ruts badly
I was kinda hoping that you would further elaborate on the Dakar version.
I just purchased a set,
after watching this review.
Can you get this same tire anymore or are they all E-07+'s?
I just picked up a brand new set for 100 dollars I do not know if the
original models are discontinued.
Nice video. I just got K60s for my Africa Twin, but like you, it takes me an hour or so on the highway to even get to any dirt to ride on -- so I'm OK with the slight highway bias of the Heidenaus. Plus I commute on the bike every day. The Mitas will be on my short list for the next tire go-around.
Nice! The K60s are still some of the best in my opinion, and I just rode with two friends who were running them on a liquid cooled R1200GSA and a F800GSA in some slightly gnarly terrain. Neither had any trouble with traction. I still highly suggest giving these a try as you plan on doing. They have been fantastic in most ways.
I have 10k on my rear right now and I expect another 2k. I commute 200 miles/wk on my '16 Africa Twin. Gravel starts at the end of my short road so riding two up on gravel is a weekly event. I have the dakar version and like you it was stupid hard!! Actually I ended up pinching both front and rear tubes. Something I have never experienced as I do all my own tire changes. Had to go to my tire guy to get the job done. Im going to finish this season on this set and give the non dakar version a go this winter. Great tire IMO and I dont care to change.
For me they have done well in all conditions. The front does get squirrelly aproaching 100 mph. The front is loud but rear seems quiet.
Running these on my 02 GSA and I also experience the front losing pressure at the same rate you noted. I'm expecting to get 6K miles from the rear and 8K miles from the front. I like these tires!
Thank you for the review. I was gonna try a set of k60. Then I read comments about mitas I have a friend that has them on a klr. They don’t last long. I’m going with some shinko 705. I got them on a DR650. I like them. I’m going to put them on my vstrom 650.
I'm going to try a set of those next I think, as I have a few friends that rave about them. I need to figure out why all of my mechanic friends don't trust them, as everyone I have talked to who has used Shinkos has been happy with them (especially for the price).
I've found the Shinko 705's have destroyed my wet tarmac confidence. Off road they're not too bad if you keep the pressure down around 25f/30r. I've ridden them on road at those low pressures and have found them more stable and predictable than when they're run at full street psi.
Good and earnest explanation thank you
We had Only 7000 km with the OEM Dunlop tires on my New 2019 Honda AfricaTwin
and both front and back are almost worn out 🤢
I am not impressed by the grip of the OEM tires and are now looking for new 50/50 ones
the AT are actually rather heavy
so we have come down to the Mitas E07+ or the new Dunlop Trailmax Mision
Thanks, enjoyed the info and your presentation of it. Some really beautiful areas you've captured during your rides!
My Mitas E-07 Plus on my GSA leak off air too. Just have a pump with you on a week ling trip.
Could you tell us a little bit more about maneuverability and cornering stability on pavement?
I ride a much smaller bike. Metzeler Sahara gave good performance on and off road, changed at 15 000 km though they still had mileage to go. Currently using Michelin Sirac (more affordable) and very happy with them.= at 13 000 km
I had some issues mounting the Dakar version but I am very happy with the tire. Once I went into bear mode I got the front tire on. I think the rear will be easier to mount on my Tenere once the factory Metzler has worn down enough to change it. I do get a little noise from the E-07 at a slight lean but other than that, its not noticeable over the Metzlers.
I hear that leaving the tires in the sun for a while before mounting them makes it a bit easier. Haven't tried that, but it would make sense if you live in a hot enough area.
oh yeah, that's true, I use a heat gun or a hair dryer would work too. The hot air circulates around inside if you prop it up just right
Bought the dakkar version minutes before watching this vid for my 700gs 😂 besides the stiffness you mention do think they will perform good?
Cheers man
As long as they are mounted correctly and the bead isn't ripped, I'm sure they'll work well for you and I hope they don't leak. I ran the dakar versions at a lower pressure to keep better traction all around. I ride pretty aggressively on the street sometimes so I keep them around 32psi front and 36psi rear. The local BMW dealer tends to fill my tires to 36psi front and 42psi rear, so 32/36 seems like the lower side of the spectrum.
MotoCamp - Also, I've heard most leaking problems are valve stem related. I "maybe" lose 1 pound every 2 weeks, and I'm not so sure it's "not" temperature related.... I have no problem, continuing to recommend this tire, and continuously do so...
I got 11810mi on my latest set of K60 Scout (my fourth) with atlest 1000 left on them, (upcoming holiday). Have not really experienced any problems with them, like bad grip in rain, has had some wash outs, nothing serious, yet....
But they are not very agressive, type 40/60 is a suitable description. But I tend to wear out the front tire first !? Maybe because I drive like a snail;) Yes, whey leak, different on different batches. But it depend on that they have such damn hard sidewalls, I guess. Had 5.8psi once on the rear wheel, then I thought it was a bit low! However, I think it's damn good tires! Handel all I ask of them, decent, not the best at anything, but decent at everything!! And cheap!
R1150GS 2000 yellow! 73940mi on the clock, and still running great!
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KTM 950 ADV - use: 75% tarmac 25% trails, rarely mud
K60 rear / mitas E07 front or E07's front and rear
E07 rear: 5000-6000 KM
E07 front: 8000 KM max
Actual K60 rear: 3000km and about 40% wear... hope to get 8000 km out of it
The lastest K60 and E07 (after 2019?) are M+S meaning softer rubber compound resulting in good cold and wet weather pavement grip but less mileage ...
Agree about the dakar version... although both E07 versions (dakar/non dakar) are very puncture resistant (actually never had puncture with K60 nor E07) it remains daunting to get them on or off the rim with inner tubes interfering.
Your review sealed the deal for me...ordering a set to mount on my tubeless wire rims. I'll probably keep using 705s on the cast wheels for day-to-day. I have previously run K60s as I was seeking extended mileage as well as better off road grip, but I barely got 4500 each from two Scout rears and didnt think the nominal increase over the 705s (3500 typical) justified the price. The Mitas are much cheaper and having two sets of wheels will help prolong the life of both.
Looked like some of the video was taken on Comanche Road and Elkorn Grade/Simmler. right?
I had the first Mitas E07 Dakar running on my heavy R1200GSA for 22.000 km (13.670 mi) on the rear and impressive 38.000 km (23.600 mi) on the front wheel. I mostly ride on very hot Latin American roads and I think the key is the speed you go. I mostly don't go faster then 80 miles because the roads don't permit it and thats why I think I got that millage. I definitely buy these tires again. Great grip on and off road, it's worth the price.
Speed is certainly a huge factor in tire wear that I failed to mention in this video. I think a factor in my personal tire wear is living in a city and commuting to and from work every day. All of the stop lights and stop signs mean that I take off from a stop very often, and I do so too aggressively. My last tire, a TKC70, had worn much faster in the center even though I was using the entire edge of the tire in aggressive corners. Doing wheelies from stop signs has been a bad habit of mine :D
But for real, I should probably stop doing that.
Thanks for a great video. Im was thinking of K60 Scout or Mitas e07 tires on my 95 Transalp. Have to say, the bad traction on wet tarmac you and other talk about made me more shure about the e07. I live in Norway, and rain`s alot here. Still i want a tire to make me abel to just hit the hills on gravel and dirt but also ok safe on wet tarmac. Im all new to motorcycle, first ride this summer after 20 years. And your review help alot on this.
These tires aren't going to be 100% in the wet by any means, but they feel better in my opinion. Still be careful out there! Thanks for watching!
That tire is a fantastic tire, front and rear! worth every dime..
I just bought E07's from Revzilla since they couldn't get K60's in my size until August for my KLR. The E07's were $40 MORE than the Heidenau, just the opposite from your experience. My current Scout k60's have 7k miles but I'm changing them out before a long summer camping trip.
Yeah, I figured tire prices would be fluctuating over time. I think Mitas "gained traction" in the adventure riding community since then and has taken advantage by raising the prices. Alternatively, there might be a high demand for the tire without enough inventory.
Definitely a good idea to change those K60s out before the trip. Enjoy it!
I just bought me a set of Mitas e-07 dakar tires and put on to my bike(aprilia pegaso 650 ga) and it have spoke rims so it have innertubes that i had to take care of and dont squice with the levers at the same time while giving al I had on the tire levers
and really had quite a job puting the dakar mitas 07 on to my rims just by my self with only a couple of tire levers, but got them on finally, after several rounds but it took me a couple of hours pr tire and the most of the saturday morning for both.
what i did was putting the tires for "pre heat " in front of my wood stove while firing up whit wood so i got the tires warm and as flexible as possible than i got them on,but just ...... but i hope i dont get a flat in the middle of nowhere and in cold conditions when i cant heat up the tires and than have to repair a flat. course as you say they where tough to get on due to the stiffness and hard sidewalls,
Well that is really interesting.
You have totally contrast/oposite opinion about these tires, than we in Poland about Mitas E-07.
In Poland Mitas are made from hard rubber, which is very bad on wet asphalt, and last more longer, that Heidenau Scout K60.
So what about K60 in Poland?
These are made from soft rubber and performance very well on asphalt, even when it's wet. Also K60 are wearing faster than E-07.
Well.. it's strange, that in your country these two models of tires are totally oposite to each other than in our counrty.
Thanks for a great overall review!
Plz try out the Motoz Tractionator GPS & when you do, try out both directions the rear tire offers. Hope I get you see your thoughts on those tires. 😊
Definitely considering them. My friend has an absurd amount of miles on his.
i'd love to see you do a review of the Anakee Adventure tires. Its what I use now on my Africa Twin. It handles the road for about as well as a pure road tire (to me, but I'm kind of a conservative rider. ) . And it handles surprisingly well in the dirt.
I'm actually using one on the rear of my R1200GS right now! I've got a Shinko 705 in the front so I can't give it a proper review, but I'm pretty happy with the performance of it, even given the higher price. They seem to hook up in the dirt and on the road the best out of the street-bike profile dual-sport tires that I've used. I can still slide out the rear rather easily in the dirt if I give it throttle, but that's only when I'm purposely doing so. Tire reviews are A LOT of work if I want to do them right, but they certainly attract the most views so I might give the Michelin Anakee Adventures a proper review given the performance I've seen. Glad to hear you're enjoying them, and on a proper bike as well :)
MotoCamp Adventure thats an interesting combo, I have been thinking about doing a combination, you could do a combination review too
@@hillkiran I was on a long trip around the western U.S. and that ended up being the closest match to my shinko at one of the moto shops in Salt Lake City area, and I've been running it since lol. I run a lot of different combinations these days because my front tire wears so much slower than my rear.
Oryt! I'll go with EO7 +. Thanks for this one
Hi, thanks for the well done video! I'm getting near the end of life on a pair of Mitas E-07 (plain, not Dakar) that were mounted on a Vstrom 650 to do the trans Labrador highway and was considering trying the K60's.
After watching this, I've decided to stick with the Mitas. I had no complaints while using them other that it was tough to get the front tire to seat the bead after the initial install. Great all around tire, IMO.
I think you're making a good call. The K60s are good, but these are generally better in my opinion as mentioned in the video. Don't be afraid to try other tires, though, as tires are usually a very subjective topic for most people, only basing opinions based on what they've used in the past. I've got a few friends that won't bother trying anything other than the K60 and I keep telling them they might be missing out on performance, especially if they skew further into road riding or dirt riding. Ride safe out there and thanks for watching!
hank122s hank122s. I've got these on my vstrom,felt funny the first 500 miles on pavement but now there great.I put them on for my alaska trip which got cancelled due to a broken clutch cable(long story).word to the wise if your vstrom has plus length cables make sure to have a spare,took 20 days to get mine.trip cancelled.
@@clintcox4278 & hank122s - hi guys, I've got a 650 V-Strom too, and I'm looking at new 50/50 - 70/30 tyres, and I'm wondering what other tyres you've tried and what you think of them?
I've got Shinko 705's on at the moment and they are really confidence destroying on wet tarmac. I've got some tyres in mind, but I'd like your opinions please.
Curious what you think about Shinko 804/805. I think they're cheaper and longer lasting than TKC 80
I haven't used them yet but I think my next set will be either one of those. A few friends swear by them.
How dirt oriented can a tire get before I need to start slowing down in twisties? My name isn't Valentino but I like to get low in the turns. So I guess my question is: how far into dirt oriented can I get before I'm giving up the ability to scrape pegs on the road? On a T7. I know the ratio can get contentious but should I be looking at 50/50's or more like 80/20's? Should I be looking at someting like the 805's?
The 805s are more dirt oriented than this tire in my experience. There's a lot of variables involved making this a difficult to answer question. In my personal experience, I've still scrapped footpeg on my 804/805s but in perfect, warm weather California conditions on a bike with a lot of mechanical grip (i.e. heavy weight).
i always experience a breakin period for tires to become highway stable.
You forgot to mention one of the major characteristics,,,GAS MILEAGE. Other than that, I'm sold on these tires. Thanks for taking the time. Oh, did you notice any difference in fuel economy?
I haven't noticed enough of a change between tires to consider this.
I've run the Mitas E-07 (Front & Rear) for 8,000km on my KTM 950 adventure and still handle like the first day I put them on. These tires are the best 50/50 tire and I'll run them again. I just put on the rear an E-07( Plus) and looking forward to seeing what it's like. This season I plan to ride more off-road and so my combination is front Continental TKC 80 and a rear Mitas E-07 Plus, so far it's awesome and can't wait to get on my bike trip.
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I'm jealous. Those bikes are so damn cool. These tires seemed to offer the best compromise for my riding style. Glad you're happy with them!
AdventureMonkey I ride a KTM 1290sa t I've not been on many dirt or Rocky roads yet. For riding on an average dirt road at slow speeds do you need 50/50 tires? I got the impression that those are trail tires. Most of my riding is on pavement. I want to ride down more dirt roads not sure what I need tire wise
How do you compare the 07 va 07 plus? I’m about to put new ones on my 990, and the most I read, the most confused I’m lol. 07 plus or heindenaus?
The new ones don't have that centre line any more. However, for my 1190r, no one has them in stock both front and rear. All the shops in Europe I contacted have Dakar E07's in backorder. My KTM dealer has a front 90/90/21 Tubeless in backorder for me since December 2017, it's March 17 2018 now :'(
I was tired of waiting and I'm going to start with an E10 Dakar TL in the front now. Thx for the review ! I only wish they would be easily available. They are indeed very stiff, I hope my dealer can mount them no problem. If you pre heat them with a heat gun, they should mount more easy.
I think what you're referring to is the E-07+ that doesn't have the center bar. I don't think they got rid of the original E-07 or E-07 Dakar but I could be wrong. When the tires are new, that center bar is recessed, so it may look like the photos or graphics used on websites are showing no center bar.
Revzilla always seems to have a set for my bike in stock but I have found that smaller online stores have trouble keeping stock of them. That's a very smart idea to preheat the tires with a heat gun. I didn't think of that and wish I had.
I have a 850 GS. I'm considering a k60 and Mitas E-O7 combo. K60 front and Mitas rear. Your opinions will be appreciated
I'd say just go full Mitas if you're choosing between the two. Should grip better in the wet and longevity up front will be similar.
With all of the newer tire offerings, I'd also check out the TKC70 Rocks and Dunlop Trailmax Missions. These will be slightly less dirt oriented but offer a good mix of road and dirt traction. Are you planning on hitting the mud or sand at all? If so, I'd go more aggressive (Shinko 804/805s work good for me).
I love these tires on my Tiger 800XC and I have the Dakar version.
I tried the Heidies on my F650GS and ran into high speed wobble issues which scared the bejeezuz out of me. I've since learned they cause that with certain bikes (not sure why). Then I switched to the Mitas E-07 which I absolutely loved. I've since replaced that bike and instead of getting the E-07s again, I'm considering the Motoz GPS. Would love to get your opinion (if you have one) on them.
I haven't run them yet, but I think that's my next tire to try out as well. I'll bet the Heidenaus were unstable because the size of the tire is different, which means the tread pattern is different on the rear. They don't have that center bar like they do on the larger tires. That probably means they are better dirt tires than the 150/70/17s, but present that trade off of highway stability.
Not totally relevant, but if you look back at my way older videos, I used to ride an F650GS as my first bike. It took me across the U.S. and I miss it from a nostalgic point of view (not so much in performance haha).
Learning from your videos - keep 'em coming :-). I miss my 650GS single - such a forgiving bike.
Thank you for your review. I have used them, compound is too hard so long lasting but front tyre looses pressure and both behave badly in the wet. I wish they d use a slightly softer compound. Pirelli str rally a better tyre I think
I heard EO7+ ("plus" rendition) does much better on wet
FYI : The newest E-07 Dakar doesn't have that center line any more. So I guess it will continue it's job in some mud just fine.
Question: I have a Husaberg FE390 for serious off road fun, but I just bought a fairly light adventure bike for
longer trips. My new Kawasaki Versys X300 weighs 385 wet. In your opinion, would the E07 be a good tire for this machine (50/50 street/gravel - a I live in the wilderness, 6 miles to the nearest pavement). BTW, Great vid.
My experience with these tires have all been on heavy bikes, so I can't give you any guarantees in terms of how it's going to perform. With that said, if they make them in the right size for that bike, I can't imagine them being a bad choice.
@@MotoCampAdventure Ray here, again. I did, indeed, put the Mitas E07s on my Versys X300. I am very happy with them - about 2200 miles on them now. Wear in minimal, hookup in dirt/gravel is excellent. Two trips into the high county in SW Colorado has made me a believer. For a 50/50 tires I could not expect more on road or off. Now planning on E07s for my V-Strom 650-XT. Not a 50/50 bike, but I ride 5+ miles in any direction to hit pavement and we have lots of forest roads and gas well roads to ride. Thanks again for your vids!
@@GeezerWheels So happy to hear that they're working out for you on the smaller bike, and that you're using them as intended! Thanks for returning a year later to let me and others know!
But how do they perform in the wet?
hi, awesome review. help please!, the e07, after x miles, the rear becomes a solid center strip? i liked that its separated in the center, but i dotn like that when its used up it becomes solid in the center. thoughts please
The center strip is a good thing if you are on a long trip. Not that big of deal if you are just doing short trips. You wouldn't need to worry about getting back home without a tire change.
Babyhead size rocks... thats was a good one :)
Very good information. Thanks a bunch.
great review. thinking of putting them on a Africa twin. thanks
Good video,thank you very much
Didn't they develop the Mitas E 07 Plus (+) and make them even better ?
I'm getting them on next week replacing k60's.Mitase07+dakar on rear & e07dakar on front.Will let u know results.
@@coconuciferanuts339 Still waiting for the results. ;-)
good review
Thanks!
i have f800gs get about 10500 rear and 6000 front 50/50 use . great tire
Have you tried any motoz trationator gps. That’s my other pick. Don’t know if it’s made in a radial though
This was a very good review. Thank you
You should give a try to the MOTOZ Tractionator GPS aand report .
Love the MotoZ Tractionator GPS on my KLR 650. Just got 8200 miles on the rear and 12,150 on the front.
Mitas are made in Slovenia, EU!
Thanks for the post!!👍great review!!!
I got 8000 miles out of mine and more 2016 Africa twin 75% pavement 25% other lower the front air pressure to eliminate pushing in gravel!
I have( lightweight) husky fe450, would you recommend these tires for 60/40 70/30 road? I live in Germany and the Mitas are still much cheaper.
Not sure what your tire sizes are, but I can't imagine this being a bad tire for that bike. They would definitely be closer to a 60/40 than a 70/30 in my opinion. I'm sure there's a whole different selection of tires not offered for my big adventure bike that you would have access to with that bike. The only tires I know of in the 70/30 range would be the TKC 70s. Hope that is at least somewhat helpful.
hi i've tried both tyres on my ktm 690 Enduro. The E07, in my opinion, are the better choice! On-road, i can ride them even harder than the k60! The Heidenaus become very slippery on a light bike after aroud 5000Km. On the Mitas, i did some parts of the TET and some gravel fun like: Colle de Chaberton, Parpallion or LGKS and the tyres are excelent for stuff like this.
I have a slow leak on my front e07 as well.
Mine has gotten real bad, like 4 PSI a day bad. They are at the end of their service life and I'll be swapping on a set of Shinko 804/805s for testing and reviewing next. Hopefully they hold air. It's a real pain to keep my bicycle pump next to my bike just to inflate it every morning. I would honesty knock off a point or two for this leak alone at this point. Great tires otherwise.
Can you recommend a K60 front + E07 rear? My E07 front is done and rear is still fine for any new front. Budget is a factor.
The K60 front is generally an alright tire. The tread patterns are pretty similar. I think the trade off is that the K60 front will be a little harder rubber, so there's a little more risk of a low side crash on the pavement, but honestly it's not substantial enough to make a difference. You'd be fine with either. Generally speaking the Mitas E-07s have been much cheaper than the K60s though. If it were me, I'd get the Mitas E-07 front over the K60.
You can try a Continental TKC 80 front with the E-07 rear. The TKC is better in the dirt and works very well for a knobby tire on the road. Many 50/50 riders choose this combo because the TKC front wears out at the same rate as the E-07 rear.
@@yellowsheeps I'm not a fan of the TKC80 front tire on the road. I get what you're saying, but that TKC80 front is less than confidence inspiring on the road. I actually prefer the Shinko E804/E805 for a front tire. They corner much better, last longer, and are way cheaper. I actually prefer the rear in the sand as well if you go with a full set. I think that will be my next tire review since I've now run a few sets of them.
@@MotoCampAdventure Can't argue with your experience. I think tire choice is very dependant on motorcycle and rider. Luckily we have many choices today so it's just trying different tires until we find something we like.
@@yellowsheeps totally agree with all of your points.
Great review!