Joe Budden Explain Why Billboard's Top 50 Rappers List Isn't THAT Bad
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Tupac is like Bob marley .....2023 we still play tupac in Asia, Europe and Africa
. The legend lives 🙌
Bc they're dead, stupid
Hes overrated asf
Tupac is the one that's not to be questioned or debated
You guys talk about longevity 2pac died in 1996 and his music is still played in 2024 and rappers still talk about him in 2024
@@adammontiel354 Tupac is my # 1 period so I don't bring him up . He stand alone simple
Nas at 50 yrs old dropping critically acclaimed projects, selling out the Garden is GOAT level
His albums don't sell neither do jay
And he from New York…them yankees gone live and die with there own kind
Nas Is working hard..what you do when you wanna prove something u haven’t proved
@@hexagonoctogon3140 30 summers!!!
@@hexagonoctogon3140 nigga just released 3 critically acclaimed albums and you talking bout he don't sell please shut yo young ass up 😂😂
Tupac made over 10 years of catalog in 5 years
Honestly I'm sure they've all done the same respectfully I know for a fact Lil Wayne has had 15 years of music 15 years ago. Lol just saying 🤷
@@donnyx1236 😂 The difference here is that Lil Wayne the definition of trash with a big T
@Du Catarina Lil Wayne being called trash is crazy...lol it's to stupid to argue. Bye 👋
No he did not
Cook
Based on the criteria they laid out, Busta Rhymes should have been much higher on the list.
She had the nerve if Nas should be before 2pac and biggie??? She should have been asking how on earth Kendrick Lamar is before Nas
This a fact
Right. Dudes way with words is up there but not over Nas. I'm guessing the impact was the major factor.
@@natsusatsujinki8342 Nas has has had way more impact in hip hop over Kendrick
@@kes9298 dudes impact kinda ends when he signed under the Carter administration. He still dropped good music but wasn't impacting the game like Kendrick, Cole, Drake, Nicki Minaj, Kanye West or Jay-Z. Nas wasn't getting the Black Panther soundtrack.
It makes me wonder how & why they have a platform talking about HH 🤷🏾♂️
They want to diss Nas so bad but they know they can’t, that’s greatness!
I was thinking the same thing 🤔
I will he's the most overrated only up north really like him the south don't rock wit nas and the south has more land !! Nas don't have world hits nas don't have hits everybody like only his fans if u in florida or grew up here nas never was big Craig mack and biggie did bigger then him in 1994 some how people trying to change history
Word they can’t even diss him lol Jes way too Great
@@skullyready7786 only the last part of what u said was true, I’m from Virginia and he gets mad love out here plus If I Ruled The World, Made You Look and Hate Me Now are all hits everyone knows
@James Smith Virginia ain't really the south when it comes to music yall more east coast on the music tip!!!!
Bro, you have Nicki Minaj and Drake over Rakim!? RAKIM!? Dude was spitting bars on bars on bars
Right...Nicki Minaj over Cube and LL...list is a joke
@@Cahluvca so true 💯🎯
Nicki isn’t even top 50. Same with Drake. And Snoop isn’t even top 30. Wayne IS top 3-5. Biggie is overrated. Pac is a bit overrated, but I can let him slide due to the amount of music he has.
Nicki WELL deserved tenth place
Man Nicki is a real rapper! She deserves that too 10 spot!
Nas said Pac is his favorite rapper.... FACTS!!!
When he say this
Who do you think Pac listened too 🤔
@@kej7187 ice cube for sure.
@@kej7187 Rakim the god mc bro
No he didn't. Nas would name 80s rappers as his favorite rappers he's not going to name his peers
Did Big Boi make the list? 3 Stacks deserves all his flowers but nobody has to disrespect Big Boi get them to him. There should never be more than 5 to 10 spots between them on any MC list if even that many.
Big Boi was always my fav out of the 2 🤷🏾♂️
I agree Ford Tough that Rakim should be in the top 10. Doesn't matter what subsequent young rappers have done; he was what he was at the time, just like Kareem was what he was at the time with all that he had at hid disposal at the time. Just like money had a different value back in the day, so did people's achievements back then.
Nah he good where he at
Dismissing the work of others isn’t how a person should move up on a list
@@TheBlackAbstract FOH !!!!! Rakim changed the WHOLE CAME WITHOUT PROMOTION OR MAJOR RADIO PLAY . HE ALSO SHOWED THE GAME RS HOW TO REALLY PUT WORDS TOGETHER 💯👍🏾🎯
@@TheBlackAbstract noooo he's top 10 dummy
Going by their own criteria. Pac and Eminem should be higher but it’s not that deep. Everybody in the top 10 fits IMO
Eminem would literally be 1 by their criteria
But their bias is too blind to notice
@@AutistikManiac true, and Nas will be num 2, because he has the same shit as eminem but i think em got the edge with lyricism and more influence
@@AutistikManiac idk em been coming out with ass albums for the last 5-6 years 🤷🏽♂️ him putting together a bunch of words really fast and rapping random syllables with em which is exactly what he been doing for the past 5-6 years got y’all thinking that shit fire but he don’t really be saying nothing 😂
By that criteria, top 2 are Em and Nas, both still rapping at a high level, both have accolades, both are lyrical, both have amazing flows, both have huge influence.
Eminem is NOT rapping at a high level anymore 😂😂😂🤦🏽♂️ he rap fast and cram them words together to make it seem like he’s saying something but in reality he don’t be saying nothing …..honestly he’s been coming out with ass albums for like the last 4-5 years now maybe longer
@@thegascompany1051 Yeah the fast raps are just stupid at this point, but his lyricism is still at a high level, even though he's not saying much content wise. and yeah his albums/production ain't my cup of tea either.
he only rap fast on godzilla but you wouldn't know that right@@thegascompany1051
Joe never fails to be ultra contrary
You mean obvious shill.
Thanks for your contribution to the show Joe
In Africa, Tupac is still bigger than Jay Z and all the rappers in that list. Jay Z is only big to hip-hop heads, but most people only know him for being Beyonce's husband. I'm talking about globally and not just in the U.S - till this day, we have hoods in Africa tagged West side and Thug life. People still play Dear Mama, Hail Mary, and Changes more than any Jay Z or Biggie song ( I'm talking about black areas which count as majority in Africa- I'm not talking about any Spotify or Apple music review). Global Impact no one comes near to Tupac in Africa, and when we talk about Europe, no one comes close to Eminem. Hip-hop is not just about opinions in New york. I like Nas more than Tupac, but I'd be lying if I said Nas had a bigger impact
2pac was never better than nas as a rapper. Cultural Impact is where Pac wins over most.
Beyonce is JAY-Z wife. Repect the man. He DID NOT come up from marrying her
Changes & hail Mary aren't bigger than juicy.
But you're right about dear momma
Africa is a continent not a country, I'm from South Africa
I'm African too and I didn't know any Tupac songs until the recent Kendrick beef and the westcoast banger he dropped and then heard Hit Em Up. You don't speak for Africa. Africa has 54 countries. Speak for your country/city🤣🤣🤣. Kendrick Lamar is the GOAT
Pac is still huge in other countries.
And I think he's the most streamed rapper out of all of the 90s rappers.
And some of these young rappers today are influenced by Pac.
I think sometimes Americans forget theres other countries in this world,and so they are ignorant to how big someone is abroad.
They probably listen to Pac in Africa and Europe more than they listen to jayz...
In Europe they don't even know who jay z is lol im sure they know Beyonce tho lol
They only know him because hr was immortalized after he died
IN MEXICO MAKAVELI REIGNS AT THE TOP!!!!
Billboard said North America that's why Slick Rick is not even there.
I'm South African and you're right
When they do these LISTS, they don't just go by how good a RAPPER can RAP, they also look at how much IMPACT they have on the CULTURE and INFLUENCE in the MUSIC INDUSTRY and LONGEVITY.
If that’s the case then pac and big should be 1-2
Right ‼️
If that’s the case kendrick shouldn’t be number 2
In the case Nas is New York! I'm s Texan saying this. Escos impact in hip hop is unmatched by most. He had the ability to take you threw New York through the eyes of a black lyricist.
Rule should have been on there too. I don't ride bandwagon so I know he had a big wave.
All Billboard is tryna to do is be apart of the barbershop...dont let em in, they'll take everything
Rakim is God he created lyricism he's always going to be top 5. And why no one ever speak of Pharaoh
Pharoàh was Egyptian African rakim is Egyptian God is Israelite so who cares about pharoàh
@@visionofgod4115 mist the point I'm talking Hip Hop Culture
How is Wayne not top 2 when u consider the criteria ?
Nope he's not
@@Bobby-wn8gv u a 🤡
Facts
Fab needs to be on that List!
Lol NY bias at its finest smh fab don’t deserve to be in top 100
@@SergioRamos-ir7mi 😂
@@SergioRamos-ir7mi you're drunk.
@@SergioRamos-ir7mi you said NY bias and then said the most bias shit ever 😂. You obviously hate fab
@@SergioRamos-ir7mi u don't know hip-hop if you think Fab ain't too 50. That said just say the list is as is and add Fab at 51. Who are you saying deserves his place?
The crazy thing though is that the impact of alot of rappers that we consider great they do not have that impact as much today as they did yesterday
No Ja Rule is hate. simple. what nonsense are they even talking about saying he made different music - Ja Rule can spit/rap - he’s also an all rebound artist.
Not to mention, Ja's crossover, hook-heavy pop songs basically laid the framework for hip-pop forever lol. Even 50 had shit like "Candy Shop" and "Best Friend" after Ja had hits with JLo and Ashanti.
😂 y’all so New York man
You expect them to be so New Mexico? Lol hop off
@@Synchronite na just unbias….n that was a trash response made no sense you must be from ny too
@@dlo615 He's a New York immigrant like many who make senseless comments on Rap videos.
PAC is top 3. But 4 is acceptable
Nas is the greatest of all time and he is still proving that
Love Nas but these King's diseases are NOT what people are desperately trying to make them out to be. Solid projects but nothing mind blowing. I don't think Nas is nearly as sharp as he used to be lyrically either. He's still great and undoubtedly a top 5 mt Rushmore guy but not THE guy.
Wholeheartedly agree. I respect the KD series but none of that music is sticking. His fanboys have been acting like its the greatest sht ever. Lol
@@onyxonyx4744 kings disease and Magic are all dope. Who is “ the Guy” if not him?
@@jrawd1808Not as bad as Jay z and 2Pac fanboys tho
Those guys fanbases are nauseating
@@onyxonyx4744 relax nas is just having fun with music now he already did all the mind blowing stuff and thats what these new albums are about jus enjoying a new surge musical energy.his old catalogue kills everybody he has nothing more to prove.
I actually enjoyed this discussion
No CHEF, no AZ, no FAB, no JA RULE, this list is completely bogus! JOE should be on this list as well.
Ja Rule is not hip hop. Drake don't belong there either.
Name 3 people youd leave out of the list instead.
@@thisaintsaint426 Gucci, E 40 and Melle Mel.
Joe learned his lesson from the last list
Game can be in Gucci spot honestly? Ridin on that
I agree
Game is top 10... any day of the week
Ain’t no list where nas is over Tupac and biggie
Who do you think they listened too. BIG copied Nas album cover, Pac got the idea for "Me and my girlfriend" from Nas. He listened to Illmatic during his trail, and "It was written" before he died. Lyrically Nas is on another level especially back when they were alive.
@@kej7187 just because Nas could rap, doesn't mean his cultural impact was near Biggies and Tupac. these ppl died 20 plus years ago and they're still doing movies on them. Tupac hologram sells more tickets than Nas.
@STEVEN WILLIAMS he had an impact on the 2 guys you just mentioned bruh. Illmatic is the bar everyone tries to reach. Look at all his pears past and present and see how talk about him, and the influence they had on him. Cole, Kendrick, Eminem, Wayne, Kanye, Drake are just thr more recent ones. Rappers want to dress like him, rap like him, get chains like him, do movies. Outside of rap he showing you how get money too.
@@kej7187Facts. Nas doesn’t bloviate and advertise all his moves and who he’s influenced because it’s evident. His impact is everlasting through his timeless music that has touched on almost every subject an artist can hit, while masterfully displaying the craft of rap. No Rapper comes close for as long when it comes to what he’s put on paper.
Wayne definitely should be one with impact/influence, Longevity, and sales
Naw jay still got that Wayne got more influence but sales and longevity jay wins because he been rapping longer and every album went platinum . But Wayne should be higher though
@@kingofcomments1917 Wayne content and bars be weak sometimes tho
Not one but top 5
@@JamesSmith-ov5um Wayne has more releases than anyone on the list and you've probably heard more unofficial releases than official releases, of course he gonna have some misses from time to time, so did Kobe
@@kingofcomments1917 that's kind of debatable only cause Wayne first release was in 95, the cash money business model is different than Roc-a-fella and Def Jam
Joe was part of team that is why he didn’t want to speak about it 😂😂😂
Damn Melyssa he gave you the list of requirements upfront!
Joe already was attacked for claiming to be better than rappers so he definitely made a wise move.
They will never be able to quantify what hip hop and it's artist means to inner city youth or people that grew up within the culture worldwide with a list by billboard. That's like trying to weigh an airplane while it's flying...
Joe look like he’s contemplating the thumbnail 🧐
Kendrick Lamar being number 2 over EVERYBODY else is insane and im a kendrick fan
No you are not 🤡🤡🤡
Lol but he is though…I’d even go as far as saying he stands a chance to be number one
@@mthuthuzeliramothibe9786 Kendrick was served in a rap battle with Charles Hamilton. Charles Hamilton - Pink Lava Lamp is better than any Kendrick album. Billboard's list is a joke because they don't put Pitbull in the list and based on their criteria there is 0 reason for him to not be in the top 10 let alone the whole list. It's a racist list that favors black artists and Kendrick also is being dickrid by all the critics who think his albums are the best thing ever. Newsflash dude is copying Andre3000. Kendrick shouldn't be in the top 10.
@@rt-rd5ofthis comment is wild😂🤦🏿♂️
@@rt-rd5ofpit bull may have started as a hip hop artist but today he does some kind of mix of reggaton, house music stuff so no he doesn’t qualify as top rapper at all 😂.
hiphop is literally art, not science. totally subjective. Love who you love. making a list of the "top rappers" creates a decent conversation topic but is as meaningless as asking what is the "best" flavor of ice-cream. Which i guess was where Joe was coming from. (altho he does host a podcast and is expected to opine on all sorts of random topics) Contrarian Joe is endlessly entertaining
Tupac monthly Spotify streams 21.5 million
Nas monthly Spotify streams 10 million.
Jay Z monthly streams 36 million
@@amsdresm that part tho 🎯💯 The ROC is in the bldg! However I adore PAC
Streams mean the music is objectively better? Nah
No Jeezy is crazy!
Jeezy is trash sorry, he is top 100
Insane!!!!!
@@casynovids Yeah that is wild.
He’s my top 3. And if they have Gucci on the list
Tupac is the greatest!♡
Beyond Legendary ❤️
People will never be as great as him.
Long-term term or short-term.
Joe do NOT wanna get hooked off on again 😂😂😂
How tf you put Lamar before Wayne totally disrespectful
Be real, Wayne has been way more
Impactful to hip-hop than Kendrick!
@@SergioRamos-ir7mi are u 12 years old or something? What year was you born in? Lmao. Wayne's 30% of he's rap career is bigger then kendrick lmao.
@@jayperez437 that’s what im saying lol I’m agreeing with you maybe you read my comment wrong 😑
@@SergioRamos-ir7mi my fault just did a double take lol.
with rory mal to check joe about him not being THAT nice/popular he's able to make sly comments about "list" and impacts lol
how's lupe not on the list? how sway!
He's not on it at all? He definitely should've been on the list.
the cool is one of the best albums ever made in the genre of rap. insane how he isnt on this list
because their only according to their taste
Too Short! shoulda been been on that list
Kendrick over Nas is still insane to me, I love them both though
Shout out to the guy with the sickest mob psycho sweater I have ever seen.
Any list that doesn't have Nas as the best ever is flawed
Based on their criteria Wayne should be 2nd. Kendrick definitely deserves to be in the top 10, however not before Wayne
Kendrick being in the top 10 is understandable. I don't have him there but I do have him knocking on the door of the top 10. He's not higher than Wayne. I agree.
@@onyxonyx4744yes he is higher than Wayne lmao fuck the mixtapes, Wayne doesn’t have better albums than Kendrick
@@Jay62812 buggin. Wayne's best album is better than K dots best album. Hes been doing it longer and just as lyrical, can't say fuck mixtapes when Wayne reinvented it
It’s a popularity contest …
You never leave out Rakim from the top 10, ever
Joe the failed rapper is now dissing Pac.
2 pac 1 rhythm, love, hate and story telling built the game with his fire to never stop being a hood biy
2PAC is forever.
Here in Africa we listen to 2PAC.
We don't listen to jayz
Joe face got me weak😭😭
Look at joe protecting his peace😭😭
Joe trippin on the PAC slander. PAC is still relevant today. Obviously.
Which is weird since he usually claims pac as his #1 in other conversations. Not sure what changed about it
Tripping hard.
2Pac is overrated and you dickriding fanboys are the worst fanbase in hip hop
@@allaboutthemurzic shut up crackee
I dunno. I'm 22 and bump more Biggie but still age and social norms come into play when it comes to allot of these artists.
The list pretty accurate. I'll swap Snoop Dogg for Jadakiss tho.. Snoop only that high based on Popularity
in all time list.. there's no way Jadakiss being great lyrically puts him that high when all the other qualities have him lower
@@ZYaKnoe249 all I'ma say Jadakiss never had writers for his music
Bingo! Love Snoop but the fact that he had any type of help with his raps, I gotta knock him down a couple of spots.
And you know Jada never had writers how? What proof?
@@ktrevino63 🤣 man shut up.
No prodigy no Fab no Game?
Kareem won't drop because current NBA players don't play enough games.
He definitely will. Steph at 32k plus same for Kevin.
But being realistic, it's easier to average 25/7/7. So to your point, you don't need to play all 82. Kareem will drop quick as hell.
I mean, the LaMelo ball for the hornets, just recently past 1,500 assists and hasn't played 200 games to say the least.
Rakim, ice cube, krs one, LL cool j, kool g rap, big daddy kane, scarface, tupac and biggie.
I’ve cubes first 4 albums .. maybe the best
Wayne should be higher
Jay over Nasir Jones is a crime and so is not having GodEmcee Rakim himself in top 2.
Lil Wayne literally ticks all those boxes ...not his biggest fan but if thats the criteria I.e Longevity(since the HOTBOYS 90s, Cultural Impact (lets not even go there), Rhythm and Flow come on yall 😑
Kool G Rap not being mentioned anywhere in this debate is plain crazy.. yet Gucci Mane 🤦♂
No slick rick either. Smh butdr dre who wasnt even a rapper
If snoop is 10 busta should be 11 or 9🤷🏻♂️
It’s Billboard & Vibe list not just Billboards
rakim not on top ten is crazy but its actually a decent list
That whole list TRASH
The criteria of this list alone is exactly why they got it wrong
Joe looks like someone who would yell at a sandwich
Melissa thinks she’s the A-Mic.
2Pac is the Michael Jordan of Rap!
Arguably the #1 & #2 spots on the list 📃
Bullshit lmfao
2Pac is the most overrated
@@allaboutthemurzic
Nah that title belongs to Jay-Z 😂
Mr October Jay Z is very overrated
Pac is not Michael Jordan of rap
No jay z is
Big Sean, Game, Jeezy....not in the top 50??
where is Ice cube ?? where is Ice Cube ?? where is DMX ?
Ice Cube was 18 and DMX was 21
Lil Wayne = Best RAPPER (The Cypherist)
Jay Z = Best ARTIST (The Visionary)
Nas = Best STORYTELLER (The Emcee)
Pac = Best INFLUENCER (The Poet)
Em = Best LYRICIST (The Wordsmith)
There's LEVELS to this topic when it comes to breaking down such a DIVERSE category of hip-hop. And my list is in no particular order, just pointing out how I see each of these artists that I listed. But at the end of the day, ALL of our opinions are subjective.
Biggie best Flow
Nah 😂
Nas is better than Wayne Jay em in their strong points
Joe Budden is not eating half that list
Ish still hatin on Nas, yes he deserves to be over Big and Pac
Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, black thought would replace a few for me
Honestly Too Short should of been in the Top 50 if Kurtis Blow was on it
Facts!
Yo that shhhh be crazy people be disrespecting MA$E til this day Rappers trying 2 be pretty boy thugs.....
I’m just kinda sick Kendrick 2 😂, what criteria put him over all them people in the top 10
big & pac infront of wayne in 2023 is WILD
Tupac 1or 2 easily
Kendrick ahead of Nas is absolutely ridiculous. Kendrick does not beat Nas on any of the criteria.
This is by no means no malice towards Snoop... but he legitimately only has one classic album that came out in 1993.. everything else is either flops or solid. Ice Cube, Kanye would make more sense in that spot.
Other than that, outside of personal ranking, I have no real issue with the list
And what classic does Nicki have to be top 10?
@@miked.336 I think it would be interesting if everyone looked at appropriate 'ranges' for where a rapper could fall without it being egregious. I think Nicki being top 10 is a bit too high. However 15-25 sounds about right for her. Anything lower than 15, you're probably pushing it. Anything higher than 25 is starting to get disrespectful.
More than that. Snoop hasnt been a dope rapper since the 90s. Snoop the person is top 3 famous. But not as a rapper
@@OmarScruggsexactly
If Snoop cant be there because of one classic album why should Nas be there? How many classic albums does Nas have? You can’t pick and choose your favourite criteria.
RAKIM IS 2 ON MY LIST
KANE IS 1. NAS IS 3 KRS IS 4 KOOL G. RAP 5 SLICK IN RICK 6
This is a lyricist list not a GOAT list though
This a New York friendly list. No Andre 3000 in top 10 is blasphemy
Mann pac number 1 hands down lol but I deff got big pun in my top 10
2Pac is the 'Michael Jordan' of Hip-Hop. Period.
I don't think Jay-Z had a better impact than Kanye imo
Ye ranking is political.
1000 percent. im imagining nicki minaj texting kanye about being higher on the list than him and kanye is pissed lol
Pac #1 then everybody else
I got Pac at #2. He's a distant second behind Jay tho
Ain't nobody out rapping wayne, only em
Never, Kendrick number 2🤔
Hov the goat
Only in New York LOL west coast and down south don’t even play Hov
@@SergioRamos-ir7mi
Yall stay mad ur number one aint make the list lol😂
@@SergioRamos-ir7mi Im in Cape Town South Africa (1pm) im playin Hov right now Come and get me - Off Vol3 Life and time of S Carter ✌🏽
@@SergioRamos-ir7mi 'Sergio Ramos' stop it. Nobody with that name is even qualified to talk about where HOV ranks.
@@SergioRamos-ir7mi not even New York
Kendrick is way to high, and Pac is #1!!!!!!
Hmmm where’s big L how can this be considered an actual list of rappers without one of the greatest
i just realised fat joe is not in this list that's wild
By what they talking about. Eminem should definitely be number 1
He is definitely no.1. They're all in denial