Ice ARGUES Lil Wayne Is Better Than Nas, Andre 3000, Notorious BIG
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Wayne's run from 05-2011 was legendary
He started to gain momentum in 05, but I'd say 08-2011, 2005 was still 50 cent, 2006 was TI, 2007 was Kanye
@@damien2729 true but I would say 06 was Ti and Wayne
Even 04 *
More like 2006-2009
Wayne had it since soldier.. ft TI & destiny child.
But Biggie's pen is my favorite
People don't wanna put Wayne at the top of the mountain, but the man has done it all...
What ppl lol ? The consensus of hip hop which is journalists, fans, officionados, hip hop enthousiast and global fans of music all put Wayne in top 5 at least lol.
@Abraham Lunda Scan through the comments if you want an example of "people" 😄
No way
Lil Wayne mumbles that not rapp
@@darrickspikes5857 Mf your name is Darrick, you can't even spell Derrick right and you talk about Wayne mumbling.
Something that speaks to how influential and amazing Wayne is. When Parks said “2 or 3”, everybody knew what albums he was referring to. Wayne is goated
Exactly lol
Facts
@el you know Wayne was groomed right thinking this was cool dummy ?
I mean Wayne only did 1 Album Series so how could they not know
@@Stonecoldalston yea don’t ruin the mood we know
Great point on "I feel like dying" that song influenced a wave of people. Even him doing rock inspired a wave of kids. Waynes ability to make multiple types of songs dominate mixtapes, pop charts, and features is really unprecedented. Wayne will never get credit for everything he truly has provided to the rap game and music. Also, Nicki and Drake but benefited immensely from the Wayne co-sign. They both would have made it but Wayne standing besides them accelerated their growth. Jay is a better businessman and probably has better peak from an album perspective but Wayne is right there with him. Definitely the Kobe to HOV's Jordan.
Shid Even doin metaphors inspired a way for kids cuz I didn't even like metaphor rappers until Wayne start doing it
Bro tf is you talking about ? Wayne is way way appreciated he’s regard as a top 5 top 3 greatest of all times. And everything he did is appreciate man you foolish for that bs stop ✋🏾. And drake and nicki would of never made it before Wayne bro nicki was an unknown artist before bro do you know that ? Nicki first mixtape got Wayne all over it , drake didn’t have shit before Wayne, Wayne met nicki in 07 and didn’t signed her on the spot she was begging him to signe her tf is you talking about lol. In every interview they mentioned his artist his career etc
@@KennyMacDC Yea cuz he made rap easy for dumb people to understand.
@@VtecTougeMonster33 nah he just added swag to the metaphors and was saying out-of-this-world s***unlike them average rapping as niggas you like
@@KennyMacDC Keep telling yourself that. I listen to real rappers yall listen to a straight up poser. "I Jack-son like samuel"
Man the swag on that line is incredible said no one with a brain.
"go dj" reintroduced him as a solo artist I feel, but wayne has went through a lot of phases musically, rock star, emo, hood, pop, easily the most versatile and well rounded rapper ever.
Depends on when you were outside that’s the dope thing about Wayne . For my dad it was block is hot , for me go dj, my lil bro was no worries /love me ,
@@yerdygang6402 A generational run.
Nas was already in the argument, but having a 4 year run that no one else has had, especially this late in his career, had solidified his GOAT status. It’s Nas then everyone else.
Maybe on the east coast. Wayne had a run from 05-11 when he was on top of the game. You couldn't go no anywhere where one of Wayne's mix tapes wasnt playing.
@@Bolverine Nas had the Same in the 90s
Came back in the early 2000s and then is running now.
Love Wayne but he's never been on Nas level lyrically and the same way Wayne birthed a generation of rappers young Nas birthed an entire couple generations including an mc that Wayne admires
@@Bolverine I fuck with Wayne all day long no lie from 05-09 he was that nigga no lie but lyrically he not better than nas Wayne last solid album was the carter 3 Wayne past his prime
@@Bolverine I fuck with Wayne all day long from 05-11 he was that niggas no denying that Wayne last solid was the carter 3
@@Bolverine Nas is that dude on all coasts. Wayne isn’t touching Nas and I’m from the South.
Wayne’s run from 05-11/12 was crazy literally .
He explained it perfectly. I always say something similar. If this was a video game and Wayne was a created character, all of his sliders would be up. He killed the industry with hit records, he killed it with features, he did his thing with albums, he had the streets on lock with the mixtapes (the literal mixtapes God), he don't write like Jay Z, but has the work ethic of 2 Pac, wordplay ✅️, lyricism✅️, influence✅️, masterful run for years✅️, made a song called best rapper alive and nobody checked em. No other character in the video game would be as well rounded as Wayne. And that's why he's the 🐐
Best comment 💯 🐐
Wayne’s mixtape reign was his Purple Rain
Or "Purple Reign" if you will.
Facts
Nas can't be matched in hip hop.
Right on!!!
Nas longevity is showing us that he is still doing it at a high level
Nas new albums not selling
@@Mikejones-zg6xg No one takes you clowns talkin bout "aLbUm SaLeS 🤓" seriously, people who care bout the genre judge it by the art and not how well it did commercially
neither are waynes@@Mikejones-zg6xg
@@CAM8689 dats wayne mixtapes, big difference. Plus nas never sold a million 1st week 3 different times only wayne did. And wayne smoke nas on they last song they did together
@@Mikejones-zg6xg Welcome 2 Collegrove didn't sell either
Wayne’s got about a week of great music if you listen nonstop…how many can say that
This may be the truest statement I go on a binge when I’m in my Wayne bag
True.
more than a week if you listen to mixtapes. I’ve been nonstop playing wayne for the last 2 years
@@powerfulthedemon1060 😂😂😂😂😂
Wayne top 3 for sure.
You can say a few songs is lil Wayne purple rain “a Millie” “tha block is hot” “I feel like dying” and let’s not forget mixtapes. The drought 3 changed the game in 07.
Squad up!
Fuck yes! Drought 3 is mythical !
And thats why hes not top 5. Lil wayne isnt even better than Beanie Sigel,but we are supposed to believe he better than Jay😅😅
The new wayne fans gon say something else
BUT THE BLOCK IS HOTT IS WHEN WE SAW WAYNE AS THE STAR OF THE HOTBOYZ. Thats when we saw the potential. Thats his rising. Hes had many great songs but the blovk is hot lit the match
@@K.C.C.L u crazy bar for bar wayne getting beans tf up outta there
Wayne's purple rain is the sky is the limit! Took Mike Jones hit and made people forget about it because his version went hard af!
One thousand percent!!!!
That's his purple rain for his Fans, Not the world.... BIG Difference
1st song I thought
Mike Jones should just give Lil Wayne that beat
Yeah for mixtape I would say that's his purple rain but for album imma go with lollipop that shot went diamond
I think these guys should just quit putting Nas in such disrespectful conversations. Just talk about your pop stars, leave OG out of this
Real talk.
Ice just namedropping Nas to try to maintain an ounce of credibility😆. He lost it all once he said Lil Waynes Purple Rain was Lollipop. Then still wanted to argue he was better than Nas lol
@@K.C.C.L Thank you! Lollipop? Fuck out of here! People gotta stop trolling for views and attention.
timeout, this is a goat convo. Nas will always belong in this convo.
A lot of you lil niggas just lyrical spiritual fans who discovered all these great lyricists after the fact and now wanna d ride them cuz is different from everything out now. I was there when N’as was at the top of his game. When every radio station was playing either made you look, Got yourself a gun or one mic. It was also a lot of other lyricists doing the same thing. Wayne literally changed music
Nas is the greatest rapper I've ever heard, and I've listened to all of his albums except the last 2 recent ones. Wayne's and Nas' styles are different. I don't think you can compare them, in my opinion. I've heard crazy bars from Weezy, and I've heard classic records with meaningful lyrics from Nas. Both are great they just approach music differently imo.
Smartest comment I read today on this . Week stated my brother
@@thoughtcandy1.385 The smartest!
@J. Smith Wayne bars are just punch liners . Trash Dr Seus Bars. Nas writes classics songs with message
lil wayne has plenty of aongs with meaningful messages , yall dont be wayne fans fr saying stuff like this.
@@amazinglocksmiths Wayne has bars as well. He’s also one of the few people who can take someone’s beat and make it sound better.
*IF "I JUST LOVE TO HEAR MYSELF TALK" WAS A PERSON...😒*
I mean it's a podcast you gotta talk. Mfs like you be saying dumb shit for no reason you don't even know dude In real life
Peron?
Heron or Peron
How so? He made really good points and it's based on his personal taste.
@@blackmcbain3145 *PERON?*
Lil Wayne’s purple rain to me would be “get over “ off the Carter 2 has the most emotion out of any Wayne song
Carter II is definetly that album. And I like the point Ice stated about sliders, because that's how I view these comparisons too when it comes to what rappers have in abundance or lack.
Lil Wayne is sn overated Fabolous/Jadakiss
Carter 2 is what made me a fan fan like that guy but I truly believe Gillie ghost wrote a lot of that
@@keemjohnson6031 There was a line in blooded where Wayne was like "They like it so much, they say they write that".😂😂 And my thing with the writing is Wayne's pen game became even more lethal as he evolved, way past his time with Gillie and it honestly diminishes that argument, Most of Wayne's bar heavy tracks were after that. And if you listen to Wayne's music there was a natural progression of his artistry. So I don't believe the Gillie stories.
@@keemjohnson6031 shutyohoeassup
Yup Wayne got all the sliders lol, in 2021 he was the best rapper in that year, and now he’s back headlining shit, his tour is sold out, he headlined rolling loud, brung out his own artist like comon lol
Lollipop def was his Purple rain! It’s still highest charted and breaking records till this day🙌🏾🔥
BigFacts it had something 4 everyone so yea I’ll say it was Lollipop I don’t see how people doesn’t see it that was ah rapper gliding onna Rock-Like fused RapBeat so yea
Skys the limit
And that shit was trash
That song was terrible 😭😭
Nah a milli
Nas's 4 album run in these last 2-3 years with the KD trilogy and Magic with Hitboy has elevated him over every rapper in history. What artist has put out that level of content in his late 40s? Not one...He just headlined Madison Square Garden off of his new catalogue. And he ain't done. Esco is the greatest rapper of all time
Nas ain’t writing no more
Esco? 😂😂 yall & yall favorite rappers wanna be like them other races so bad
This is all fact. Anyone who says different is just being oppositional!
Does Nas have the global appeal of Lil Wayne?
Agreed. Global appeal is subjective. Nas album latest run is incredible!
Ice is smoking crack to say wayne is better then NAS. SMH!!
He is lil bro
Wayne better you up north haters of, old as dude are the only ones that believe wayne isn’t better than nas
Wayne clear.
Wayne is the king of "random bars that don't go together in a song." Most of his songs arent story tellers or stick to one theme. They're random bars put together that sound fire. He paved the way for all these rappers out now. In the same bar, a rapper would say I f***ed yo b***h, I don't trust these n****s, and I spent a half a mil on a new car ALL IN THE SAME BAR
(New comment) For everyone thinking storytelling is "old head s***," then don't be a hypocrite and stop listening to Kendrick or J. Cole...
They are called non sequiturs
I got all day…..
Mrs. Officer
Something You Forgot
Mirror
Mona Lisa
Mr. Carter
Pussy Money Weed
Georgia Bush
I Feel Like Dying
How To Love
All Concept Songs
This is a old head ass comment 😂 Wayne has plenty of "story telling" songs or themed songs. Mona Lisa, Nightmares at the bottom, best rapper alive and You Guessed It just to name a few
Let it All Work Out is like a Bible verse to anyone who ever thought about suicide
I get what you saying but Wayne definitely has story telling songs / abilities but he never went too deep.
The Nas slander on this show is disgusting 🤢
fr
How outside of the east coast nas isnt looked at like that fr its a world outside of new york......
@@quaquq96 speak for yourself this isn't true and you could say the same about rappers like Andre 3000 (OutKast) or Snoop Dogg only people from their regions listen to them
So Nas sold 30M albums, and sells out arenas all over the world and nobody knows him outside of NYC? lmao @@quaquq96
@@quaquq96I'm from South Africa..and I can tell u free of charge Nas is amongst the greatest to ever rap
Lil Wayne “Show me what you got” had Hov rethinking his career!!!
Lol I would say it had hov rethinking his comeback. But his drought series had a whole bunch of new artist rethinking their career
All facts
Hov verses on cash money been crazy af ask Drake
When it comes down to my performance. I must be Lebron James if he Jordan. No, I won rings with my performance. I’m more Kobe Bryant of an artist. Same game, same coach been starting, same triangle offense.
ETHER had Hov rethinking his career…fuk is you talkin bout
Parks looks like the substitute teacher the bad kids are cool with
😂😂😂
Lil Wayne a rapper and Nas is a poet
Ok....and what are Biggie and Jay?
The question is best rapper not best poet lol
Wayne got 10 great albums/mixtapes no hate to Nas he top 5
Biggie is a lyricist, Jay is a biter. @@tooshivemarble
Respect to Wayne he definitely birthed a whole generation helluva artist but lyrically he can't fuck with the godson this shouldn't even be a debate
relax
Ice is 1000% correct about Lollypop being the biggest, most transformative, influential song of Wayne career. If you're a old school, the drought is over, squad up, lights out Wayne fan, I'll bet that when you start to die out as a Wayne fan.
Exactly after 3 I was like wtf kinda music is this and with each album listened to him less.
It’s such a cringe song 🤦🏾♂️
@@Don.M.Yea that song was mad corny
Great take💯💪🏾
In my opinion, Hustler Musik was Lil Wayne's "Purple Rain" only because out the mainstream songs he had at the time, that one seemed the most honest and personal.
That was a copy of 50 cent's 2005 song hustlers ambition.
Even lil wayne's mixtape dominence followed 50 cent's blueprint.
Not just that but lil wayne's 2008 song lolipop came from 50 cent's 2007 song called Amusement Park.
50 cent is lil wayne father.
You can say 50 cent created the modern rap era.
Hustler Musik is def my fave Wayne song, it really felt personal and I felt his energy and soul in that song, I still listen to it and feel his soul in that song.
@@darrenraphael @darrenraphael no 50 definitely copied off Ja Rule down to the singing and was called out plenty of times. There's your modernizing rap. Also lil wayne didn't copy Hustlers Ambition, they don't even sounds the same. Along with Lolipop which sounds nothing like Amusement Park. It went like 3 platinum on its own and wasn't the best song on the album. Also, Wayne as an artist was out before 50 and since. Their careers don't even compare.
@@darrenraphaelbig facts 💯
@@darrenraphael they sound 0% alike just got the name hustle or hustlin in it
While I respect Weezy's contributions to hip hop (more than most ppl my age and over), putting him above Nas, Biggie and 3 Stacks is outright BLASPHEMY
Not at all , Wayne’s catalog is unreal
Mixtapes, albums, hit records, guest verses, influence hes over all three
3k don’t even have a damn solo album what is y’all talkin bout with this dude
Wayne is one out 4 rappers to sell a milli first week. And he did it twice. Also ppl forget before the Carter Wayne was on his way to being shelved
no its not hes literally better than all of them
@@wooskionehundred1788only carter 3 sold a mill it's 1st week no other album lol
"Hustler Musik" is a classic
Biggies influence in such a short time and longer legacy means more than Wayne’s over 10 year growth into what he is
Biggie the goat forever and that's facts.
Hell nah biggie can’t hang with Wayne
False. Every rapper after Wayne wants to be Wayne still
Exactly, the only one on the list that didn't know how to rap until his 4th album.
@@HUSTLER-AT-HEART you're tripping... Wayne will spit his stupid incoherent lean bars that only he understands and will never write an immaculate story telling like warning
We really supposed to put a rapper with Lollipop as their signature record in the top 10
I don’t have Jay high on my personal list either. But I prefer him over Wayne
@Dexter Brunson SAFER? 🤨 Hov took being a rapper to a different level. Foh. And he’s still nice at 53. Not nice for a 53 year old. Still numero 1. Argue with yourself in the mirror.
shit one of biggies signature songs was "juicy"
@@nonealike Nas smokes Jay
Big was a purer MC
I'm taking big and nas over Jay
After that we can talk about the rest of the 5
I ponder cutting my ears off when I hear that & “Millie”
He said the samething with Dipset and the Lox. Cant take Ice serious smh
Nas last 4 albums are better than the 1st 4 Carter's. Ice is slowly becoming Rory #2 just loves hearing himself talk about nothing.
Nobody from the south was listening to that shit lmfao
You luring. Carter 1-3 >> Kings disease trilogy
You tripping...and I'm from Queens...
"I feel like dying" changed hip-hop forever
💯💯 facts
You are nutso lol. Stupid @$$ destructive @$$ song. I liked it when I was 20 lol. Wayne’s content is an embarrassment to black folk
Lmaoo
I have an idea. Name 20 Wayne songs, where the cadence, style, flow, content,etc..., are different from the last. Guarantee you, I can easily pick 20(maybe more) Nas cuts that sound nothing like the last. Wayne has mad filler lines in his songs. Nas connect the dots, effortlessly, in his cuts. On the real, a lotta youngins don't fck with Nas, because they can't keep up with his punchlines. You see it with the reaction videos on RUclips. Many have to rewind the song MULTIPLE times, some even have to research mid reaction, to comprehend it.
Bird man jr, how to love, tie my hands, shooter, I feel like dying, pussy money weed, shine, hustlers music, the mobb, mrs officer, lollipop, misunderstood, a milli, heart races on, right above it, im single, go dj, Mona Lisa, dedicate
@@justinnedwards1158 All lyrical trash
@@VtecTougeMonster33 the hate wayne gets is unbelievable. I ain’t never heard someone say a song was lyrical and trash at the same time. Those two words have never been in the same sentence when speaking on music
@@justinnedwards1158 Not one verse I have ever heard from this clown is considered lyrical. You can still like him I don't care honestly. But my opinion will not change. He inspired a whole gen of Dr Seuss rap flows. Garbage
dude made some great points about lil wayne...
I love Wayne but no way is he better than Nas
Lyricism: Nas
Storytelling: Nas
Flow: Wayne
Discography: Nas
Best album: Nas (Illmatic)
Influence: Wayne
Sales: Wayne
Consistency: Wayne
Longevity: Nas
Recent stuff: Nas
I was trying to be as objective as possible. Nas is the GOAT 🐐
the greatest rapper of all time has more to do with just lyricism. That is just one metric
Nas doesn’t have a better discography than Wayne lmao
@@didyouknowamazingfacts2790 If you think Nas only has lyricism then you don’t know Hip-Hop
@@GMula444 he absolutely does
Some of the sliders are worth more than others… influence is a TOP slider
Who’s the most influential rapper of all times? Wayne!! People was rocking dreads, full body covered in tattoos, permanent grills and sipping lean and people fail to realize he started sipping because of Pimp C much respect to jinn. Y’all gotta stop it
He said Drake is top 5 and invalidated everything he said before
How so? That’s like saying Barry Bonds isn’t one of the greatest baseball players ever cause he uses steroids. He was a monster before he started using.
Remember when Joe said “Wayne couldn’t teach me how to love that”
“Got this chick from uptown, she my summer bunny. Both parent broke…but she cum from money.”
Classic cypher
Drug test this kid. Nas the goat
Nope wrong answer
Top 5.
@@mindbully nope I got nas at 6
@@relltv8231 I got Wayne at 67
@@relltv8231 That works. My only point is her isn’t number 1.
Nas at 18 years old made one of the greatest album in music history period!!! Wayne took over almost 5 albums to get to where he’s at. Then Wayne is not battle tested Nas did one of the greatest diss records of all times. Wayne made history on charts. Nas made history into cultural ish
LMAO yall be saying some silly shit man 😂😭😭😭😭
Ice was saying the same things I was saying. Lollipop I also believe was his "purple rain"
Difference between Wayne and Hov are albums. Jay Zs albums are simply better . Wayne is nearly my favorite rapper ever but Jay z rap career and rap style is getting underrated the more time flies.
Jay Z ain't shit. Super overrated, very boring, very repetitive, damn near no influence. Just good business
Nothing hov as ever done cant touch wayne block is hot or the carter 1,2... NOTHING
People’s court, early this morning, dead presidents1, streets is talking, murdergram I don’t think people know about the real jay they just see this new image which I think is to his determent
@@donpatchey3178 🧢
@@donpatchey3178 lol that's your opinion
This is WHY Joe's cool with Ice = he needs someone dumber than him around, to take some of the "heat" off of him sometimes
If you think Ice is "dumber" than Joe your brain is smooth
LoL he's definitely a polarizing component of the show
LMAO
He’s right Nas had like 3 hits in 30 years and Wayne got just as much bars.
I like that yo. This dude BUGGED THE FUCK OUT. His generation is str8t TRASH.
Lollipop is one of the first songs of his that transcended believe it or not. I still love that song as much as I did when I first heard it.
Wait until they hear “Tha Carter VI!” 🔥🎬
Pac, Jay, Nas, Big, Wayne nuff said
Jadakiss and Wayne are interchangeable
Wrong
Pun
Im cool with that where you got EM
@@charleslavoie5402 ayye him to for sure n Fabolous not on the list so fuck em
Wayne at 2 is fuckin crazy lol. I think 7 is even generous. I’m a fan but dude raps about the same shit all the time 99% of the time
I think it's blasphemy if we're talking the art and not sale to put Wayne at number one and I didn't hear Lupe Name nowhere in these comments. When dude literally was chosen by MIT to breakdown how to rap.
so since your thing is recycled content ..who is your top 10?
@@JaeThaGemini Lupe, Andre 3000/ Big Boi, Eminem, Nas, Crooked I, Ludacris, TI, Ransom, Skyzoo, Drake for the first 3 albums and all his mixtapes no particular order but Lupe at 1 for me. I love substance storytelling and bars that make sense. Wayne has had some good stuff but he has also had some I'm so high I could vomit on a comet bars.
Ice said Drake and Wayne top5 😂
Hustler Muzik is Wayne’s Purple Rain.. when that beat drop and you hear “Hit Me…. right in the sternum this time T Baby” yo soul gone feel the vibe the rest of that song fasho
Hustler musik was the one. (Album wise) mix tape songs there's a list of at least 20/30 that put him at an unreachable place
Ice done lost his damn mind!.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
i used to have i feel like dying on repeat in the compuer lab in middle school. i remember i even showed my dad that song
I like the pod with all these people now
The problem with Wayne fans is they tend to over estimate his ability not all Wayne fans ofc. When it comes to lyrics/bars I fw Wayne he is one of da goats but he mainly jus put a lot of random bars together on a song that has nothing to do with the overall theme of the song. It jus sounds good so nobody really complains about it and his fans wanna compared him to nas or Andre😂. Wayne is great but their are old school artist who are simply better than him. Andre 3000 was a lyrical genius in fact to this day his songs still go over people heads. Andre and nas can def out rap Wayne it’s not even close. The only actual decent argument would be Wayne vs Jay Z. Jay wasn’t the most lyrical but he definitely spit some real sh*t.
It’s the opposite..most people only judge Waye men in his Mainstream/commercial hit songs..but they don’t dive into his deeper cuts and underground shit they hit Plenty of substance. Wayne has so much music released
Wayne is the Goat period
Jay is lyrical. His lyrics go over your head.
@@SoulOfTheSouth Ik he’s lyrical I said he wasn’t the most lyrical lol he spit and spoke on some real topics without a doubt
Jay more lyerical then Wayne and Nas and got better flows
Depends on what you value in your rap. I value story telling and substance. Nas and Dre 3k in a run away for me.
My favourite track of Lil Wayne is lollipop. That song is iconic. I remember whenever I wanted to test the quality of speakers, I would play that song.
Notice how when they were talking about wayne melyssa was mad quiet I remember hearing her say she’s never listened to lil Wayne. With that being said there’s no need for her opinion on this topic
She shouldn’t be on the pod off that alone😂😂 what kind of shit
It’s 2023. Respectfully if anyone has Wayne in their top 3, 5, or 10… they’re not wrong. It’s only about 20 rappers that you can make real arguments for a top 5 spot if you’re being objective and Wayne is for sure 1 of them. A milli is probably his purple rain… but I think ‘go dj’ from the Carter 1 was the track that let everyone know Wayne wasn’t just a novelty act, but was here to make hits and stay
Man idc what anybody say I’m 30 and Wayne is my top 2 and he’s not 2! Dude was insane literally insane he had people anticipating him remixing songs for mixtapes cause they wanted to hear a Wayne verse on those beats. He did that for 2 years while killing features just come back and drop a milli and lollipop .. carter 3 had a million records sold in a week like bruh Wayne was just different
Based off longevity you have to count the fact that people still listen to Biggie and he's still one of the quintessential rappers over twenty years after his death. His music lived on without him.
I don't think they meant listening to the same songs over and over again. They meant consistently making great music for a long time.
If we talking longevity in music you have to factor in the longevity of the the music itself not just how long did they make music for.
@@slimjakeymusic6597 okay that's fair👍
@@slimjakeymusic6597 that's true, because some people make relatable music with substance.
Some of the longevity of Biggie and Pac are due to their death though. We really don't know who would have had a more impressive career.
Them couches look so comfy
I feel him on Lollipop. I will never forget the day my teacher said it was her fave song. We were all like whaaaatttt! And made some jokes. She immediately turned bright red.
The song that made wayne a sellout
@@Brian00007 u mean Crossover to mainstream
@@ethanhuntemcee1663 he was already mainstream
Am from the South here in Tx and M biased as hell towards lil wayne , I gotta ride with Ice on this 😆I still go back to no ceilings mixtapes and the sorry for the waits.
Wayne over Nas?! Stop it fam. Nas was the best rapper in the world when Wayne was In middle school. Fym. Add in Nas's late-career resurgence and what are we arguing about? The fact that Nas makes a lot of conscious joints and made it this far is a testament to his legacy. Wayne is dope lyrics and had a great run. But you can't find 25% of his catalog on Spotify cause a bunch of his songs is freestyle over other cats' beats. Nas has legendary songs that stand the test of time.
I feel like dying had a MySpace profile in a choke hold lol
It was definitely lollipop! Thank you ice! That 🥷🏽 ‼️‼️
To say he’s better than 3000 is ridiculous
Wayne got way more music and current music its only so many times you can listen to ms jackson 😂
@@joshlamar1990 🤣
In terms of lyrical substance Wayne aint close to Andre or Nas
big 🧢
you ain’t tuned into tunechi
@@bobnobuilder you aint tuned into Nas
Yeah he is, and he worked more than them niggas. And I love nas, but 3k ain't shit. Niggas gotta stop with that 3k shit
And that’s why Wayne ain’t number one. He has substance but he has more of punch liners than songs with substance. Nas and Dre does both well and has more substance than Wayne. We don’t just listen to rap for punch lines if so, that’s shallow.
YOU don’t listen to rap for punchlines but he was a SOUTHERN KING of punchlines in a punchline era
Probably "Go Dj" or "Fireman" would be Wayne's purple rain for me, but I would say he surpassed that and that was like 04 and 05.
2:53 waynes purple rain is Let the Beat Build.
This is my thing, what has Jay done in hip hop that Wayne hasn't? I feel like Jay's manifestations outside of hip hop helped keep his work in high regards. And at some point we have to acknowledge the fact that artists last projects have expiration dates when comparing them in goat conversations. We cant compare 4:44 to Tha Carter 6 when it comes out and we definitely cant keep using the Blueprint series to keep Jay "up there". Wayne been updating his catalog and has been getting better n even more impactful. Definitely #1
Jay is a better rapper.
Wayne hasn’t got better album wise he’s digressed and I’m a Wayne Stan…
@@brandonderrick006 Wayne definitely got better. Look at his feature run since 2021. And last year I think he was featured on an album from like January until August with no subpar verses. If Carter V came out when it was supposed to it would definitely be in conversations with his best classics.
@@QuintQuint18 *album wise* I have Wayne above everyone but Jayz but album wise he’s albums have slid but I agree features are crazy and lyrics never fell off
@@brandonderrick006 only knock I give on Wayne's recent albums is they're to many songs but yea
Lil Wayne’s impact is much bigger as he blossomed at a time when biting/stealing/not being original was not only okay but preferred. He birthed a whole industry of Lil’s trying to sound and look like him. The branches are still here.
Oh fucking bullshit
But Wayne Bit, stole and was not original….. And he had ghost writers
@@dayoungchief gillie da kid 💪🏿
@@Dipset415 Gillie da Kid must be better than Nas than, cuz Wayne is better than Nas
@@MrFlameRad😂
Lollipop was when Wayne was heading in to crossing genres . He also won an award for Lollipop! Ice is right .
Laughing too hard at the Ms Officer Acapella
I like Lil Wayne's music and he's good but his music ain't touching Nas's music and that's my opinion.The crazy part about this is only most of the young listeners would say Lil Wayne is better and also most of the young listeners are active on social media more at this point so that's why the numbers would favor Wayne as well but trust he not touching Nas...
Not lyrically IMO but Wayne got hits and impact. Nas is kind of a stand alone MC. There have been a few that mirrored elements of his style (Cole, Lupe, Elzhi, etc.) but none really had total package.
Send me any song from Nas that you think is better than Wayne I’ll send you a Wayne I’m going to embarrass these nas fans thanks to you cmon!!
Bro you don’t know Wayne!! Send me any mf song from Nas Wayne will demolish that shit!!
@@alexsar6324 rewind trust God love us I'm Ready he goat
In the words of Kodak Black... "you smoking di*k if you think Wayne is a better rapper than Nas 🤣
Lil Wayne having the mixtape scene on lock is essential in calling him Number 1. Nobody did it like him! I would even argue that his "Purple Rain" is one of his great and under rated mixtape songs
Most of his songs where he stole peoples beats fall into this category
50 did it better and can actually rhyme
Edward you crazy if you think 5O spit better than weezy
@@yerdygang6402 You crazy if you think what Weezy does is spitting. More like drooling on the mic.
@@VtecTougeMonster33 it’s so funny how all of u hate rappers who don’t live what they rap Wayne was a false blood who got checked in la it’s on video plus the nigga kisses men inna mouth but this is your king? U niggas are dick riders you’ll clown slim Jesus but not Wayne bunch of worshippers
I remember we used to compete on the bus in high school who had the most new Wayne songs, on their iPods from limewire.. ahh the good days
I swear longevity matters. If 50 or nelly would've died after their 1st 2 joints they would've said they were like big or pac
Great point
Definitely 50 would be ranked higher if he died after Get Rich. The content on Nellys first album wasn't serious enough to have been higher or lower.
@@nsmith3128 true but nelly shit sold so mf crazy then he went diamond on the 3rd joint if something happened to him mfs would of been treating him like a god. Him and 50 made enough music for us not too care about em no more thou. Same wit P, rick ross and jezzy. Thats y u gotta respect Nas, jay and wayne
nigga Ready To Die & Life After Death are 10/10 albums and Biggie set trends wit his flow it goes beyond juss dyin at 24 .. also Pac not only released classic albums before his death but had dope movie classics w/ top tier actors lvls to it
@@XxThePhantomFreezexX so... Didn't make enough content for a mf to say, " he got the same flow" or " he rap about the same shit" or "he need to get his old flow back"... I put dmx and plies 1st 2 alblum over big and pacs 1st two. Had they died right after that we might rank em higher
I've heard Lil Wayne stating he the best rapper alive since his peak and I've always said back then and now he ain't. I listen to a shitload of underground, blog era rap and witnessed plenty of MC's who will wash Wayne to this day. I give him props for his run and respect for the culture. With that said he is not the best rapper alive in my book.
Younger people.. born in 86’ but I think that mixtape weezy era is the unmatched
Albums is a different category
This title make you shake your head and face palm
Can’t even disagree with Freeze. He was on point with this Wayne take
Wayne purple rain definitely 6ft 7ft- EZ
EDIT: I’m aware the lyrical context is lacking but when you analyze what Wayne went for (a massive banger that showcased what HE’S good at) you cannot deny that track wasn’t- and ISN’T still a slap‼️ play it for the young ones and I guarantee they gon put some respect on that one💯
nah. its a Milli or Lollipop. yall must be too young to have been around back then 😂😂 he was well beyond that by the time 6ft 7ft dropped
6ft 7ft was Wayne literally trying to recreate what he did on A Milli and failing extremely
@@JaeThaGemini it was around my time but influentially, he was still in white tee’s and snap backs up until that point, at which after, you could tell he hit one… regardless, I’m talkin impact. Lollipop ight… but you still playin that today??? Cause I throw on 6ft and everybody still goin crazy
@mistahchau7353 It wasn't a fail he went platinum in a week again with that album.
@@TAEMAN197 I’m glad someone remember it right! A milli wasn’t near what 6ft did
Waynes Purple Rain is Deff "Thought it was a Drought"
How many people in your top five, I felt that!
If we’re talking about a combination of versatility, lyrical ability, longevity, influence, dominance, hits, album sales, the most features in 1 year, went platinum in 1 week etc etc. Lil Wayne is the Goat.💯
You don’t understand Hip Hop if your measuring Greatness by Success, I can name 50+ rappers better and never got the recognition.
Wayne is a good commercial artist, that’s about it.
Mande emcees will run circles around him, Nas included.
Well said
@@tears2040 ABSOLUTE FACTS 💯
Did you not read his comment it wasn’t all about commercial
@@tears2040 Facts! and shitty art has always sold well to the mass consumers of any musical genre. Idk why folks don’t get that if you put any money behind any artist it’s going to SEEM like it’s some sort of substantial part of the culture. Wayne’s succes was a product of the amount of released product, timing, and not being super trash with the bars. ICE is super capping
ICE talking crazy, but like Joe said its age thing
Not about age it's about being corny, Ice isn't 16 yrs old. He talk like he just started listening to rap, no way is Wayne near Biggie or Jay.
Only NY dudes think Jay Z better then wayne the majority of the world got wayne way above hov
@@yomrap6931 well said
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@@yomrap6931 y’all talking bout age..Like Wayne ain’t been around as long as they all have
Quality over Quantity
Naw.. Ice right about Lollipop. I remember being a senoir.. & that's all people play was Lollipop.. I remember the rollout for that album Tha Carter 3 was crazy.. Going on limewire downloading the leaks.. Man those were the good days😂
Pac the 🐐
Comparing Wayne to Nas is like comparing Dr Dre to Quincy Jones, respectfully.
Its almost an insult to the art of Rap itself. Nas at 17 was writting ryhmes being studied by scholars today, and yall comparing it to Lollipop🤯🤦🏾♂️.
Respect the Art of Rap. Peace.
Facts💪
His purple rain to me is The Song Glory,
“How many people are in the top 5”…. That’s great , Classic!
It's no reason to explain the stupidity of not only ranking Drake in the top 5, but Wayne ahead of Nas. Then to say basically Jay is forever #1 is crazy when he's not even #1.
To the generation who discovered hip hop in 2005 and beyond - I can totally see them siding with Ice.
I’m 30 and I put Wayne above everyone his influence in hip hop is unmatched every rapper now is a version of Wayne in some way majority of them try to sound like him and even look like him before him rappers were not running around with dreads and face tattoos he paved the way for everyone who is out now.
@@LawrenceAdams13 you are exactly who im talkin about lol in 2005 u were 12. Makes sense
Wayne is the goat sir
@@jaycole1900 my age doesn’t matter I listen to tones of music that came out way before I was born. If you listen to the conversation it’s not just about who raps the best it’s about the person’s influence longevity and everything else outside of just the music and there is not one rapper you can name that has had more influence to other hip hop artists then Wayne and he also has the numbers to back up his claim and so much more.
@@jaycole1900 Wayne came out in the mid 90s tho..so most people are mid 30s and up who are true Wayne fans