It’s a BUY... no consistent difference from just listening (did it feel much different?) .... which is very encouraging... you don’t have to be rich, you just need to keep growing in your skill. 🥰
Yes I can hear the difference now, especially on Tarantella when the bow leaves the string. I can hear the resonance as you hop off, and also the deeper notes sound more chocolate like. I have recently upgraded from $149 cheap bow to $550 Coda bow NX. Even that small upgrade showed me the huge difference between bows and has allowed me to progress more in my musicality than expected. I am currently saving for a much better bow while I practice Bach. Thank you again for these videos.
Whilst it is possible to hear the difference, perhaps beautiful sound still largely depends on the cellist. Beautiful ❤I’m reminded to practice every time I listen to you @iliaLaporevcellist
People pay too much attention to the price of bows, cellos and many other. I saw people playing beautifully on cheap chinese instruments, saw people making beautiful photos with cheap equipment. Talent and hard work - that's what matters
Ilia I SPENT about an hour or more at a violin shop trying a bunch of their cello bows costing over thousands of dollars ( some were under a thousand) for my new traditional cello and I kid you not the best sound and comfort I got from a bow only cost me less than 500 dollars! U could have knocked me over with a feather when they told me the price on the bow! It was not a fluke I tried all those bows again and I kept going back to that same bow! It brought out a huge sound from my cello and the grip felt good. Moment I won't forget. It drives me crazy that people mortgage their homes for a cello or would spent their life savings over a bow when you can get a good quality cello for about 5,000. Mine was was is 8000. My L&C was a little over 7000.
I have a $150 P&H carbon fiber bow, and I love it. There are no luthier within 150 miles of me... So being able to replace my own bow hair is my most important requirement
The Glasser is a heavier cello bow and after 30 minutes of scale practice my wrist an hand began to hurt. But my $800 cello bow I can play all day without any PAIN. It is important to invest in a quality now you can afford,that us comfortable for you to play on for hours on end.
They're different colors! There's no guessing! The silver one (bow b, the expensive one) sounds clearer to me, but the $99 (green, bow a) is pretty darn good! If pressed for money, I'd have no qualms with the $99 one!!! Where do we buy this?
I can hear the difference between the 2. The more expensive draws more "ring" out your cello. Bows are all so unique and finding one that draws a best sound out of your instrument is key and sometimes it's not the most expensive that does that.
Would have liked to hear some spicatto...off the string strokes. Then we would likely heard more ugly noise from the cheaper bow. Bow a was the cheap one. It did have a little junk in the tone. Clearly the cheap bow is good for the money. Where did you get it?? I'll get my students to buy... lol.
Hi Ilia, this was a great video, I found that I could be much more attentive to the differences in sound that each bow created. I would be interested to know what the weight differences are between each bow, is the $99 bow that you used a bit heavier or lighter at the frog than that $3000 bow that you used? I am looking for a new bow at the moment, so I am trying to work out whether I will benefit from something that is a bit heavier or a bit lighter. Thank you from New Zealand!
The bow used in the “b” designated performances sounded Iike the $3,000 one. I heard more resonance from the cello and a brighter sound. The $99 bow sounded darker and there was less depth in the sound. Good to know that a $99 bow can provide acceptable performance for aspiring cellists.
I think once you get to $1000 and upwards, the difference is negligible. While the difference between a $30 and $1000 bow might be obvious, the more you spend from that point the less difference there is. In other words bow prices are on an extreme exponential curve. Even if I was an advanced player I would never spend $3000 on a bow. That amount of cash would be better spent on a few sets of the best strings you can afford, plus an advance expert luthier set up and adjustment (sound post, bridge etc). You are a great player so both of the bows help you make a wonderful sound.
I can't really tell the difference, not sure if it's obvious for you when playing it, but it might be easier for us listening if you could upgrade your mic for recording with a pair of Sony ECM-100N mics or a pair of Neumann KM184 MT, although you would have to sell your expensive bow to buy one of those 😀
The metal next to wear your index finger rests are different colors. The $99 bow had yellowish stripes (a) and his expensive bow looked like a solid metal gray (b).
Thank you so much! Good question. I play on a 7/8 because it is really comfortable to play on. But of course it depends all on the instrument. In my case the instrument just hugged since we met and we felt immediately a connection between the two of us.
I hear no difference between the two bows. I think only the player will FEEL the difference. Personally, I think that the most important difference between bows is the relative ease of producing spiccato. I enjoyed hearing your rich playing.
I have a $100 bow and a $1000 bow. The difference is great. The cheap one is heavy and unwieldy. The expensive one is lighter and more agile. The sound it creates is much better.
I couldn't hear a lot of difference . maybe in articulation. At your level of playing you can make 100.00 bow sound good. for me the 2900.00 diff in price doesn't justify the sound difference. playability is subjective too.
Your cello? Your ability? You could play with a pool cue and it would sound good. I also play electric guitar. If you play an adequate guitar (well set up) though a good amp, it sounds good, reverse, not the case. Maybe the $99 bow in this instance is a well set up guitar.
To my untrained ear, the difference was very slight but more noticable with certain pieces. My takeaway from this is, the skill of the Bowman maketh the bow. PS: For $3000 that dam bow better come with a white cello, a Yamaha CLP 745 in polished ebony and a convertible mini Cooper in baby blue, for good measure! 😁
It's easy for you to transpose your technique on a cheap bow because you already explored it on a really expensive bow (far from 3000 😅) , so you know how to play. The difference would be more significant if it was a 3rd grade cellist who was testing both of them. 👍🏻 Also, we can't hear real projection you have with them and it makes a real difference.
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What did you think of the 99 $ bow? Could you hear the difference? Is it a BUY or a GOODBYE?
The espensive bow play more clean than the chip...but you play very well also with the 99, all depends to the cellist....and you are a great!
It’s a BUY... no consistent difference from just listening (did it feel much different?) .... which is very encouraging... you don’t have to be rich, you just need to keep growing in your skill. 🥰
i could hear the difference, but it wasn't as great as between my $100 bow and mz $1000 bow.
If the exercises and the question is 'can a great player' make even a cheap bow sound wonderful, the answer is a resounding yes.
Yes I can hear the difference now, especially on Tarantella when the bow leaves the string. I can hear the resonance as you hop off, and also the deeper notes sound more chocolate like. I have recently upgraded from $149 cheap bow to $550 Coda bow NX. Even that small upgrade showed me the huge difference between bows and has allowed me to progress more in my musicality than expected. I am currently saving for a much better bow while I practice Bach. Thank you again for these videos.
Whilst it is possible to hear the difference, perhaps beautiful sound still largely depends on the cellist. Beautiful ❤I’m reminded to practice every time I listen to you @iliaLaporevcellist
I cannot tell you where the diference is but i feel the second one more delicated. Great video
People pay too much attention to the price of bows, cellos and many other. I saw people playing beautifully on cheap chinese instruments, saw people making beautiful photos with cheap equipment. Talent and hard work - that's what matters
Ilia I SPENT about an hour or more at a violin shop trying a bunch of their cello bows costing over thousands of dollars ( some were under a thousand) for my new traditional cello and I kid you not the best sound and comfort I got from a bow only cost me less than 500 dollars! U could have knocked me over with a feather when they told me the price on the bow! It was not a fluke I tried all those bows again and I kept going back to that same bow! It brought out a huge sound from my cello and the grip felt good. Moment I won't forget. It drives me crazy that people mortgage their homes for a cello or would spent their life savings over a bow when you can get a good quality cello for about 5,000. Mine was was is 8000. My L&C was a little over 7000.
I have a $150 P&H carbon fiber bow, and I love it. There are no luthier within 150 miles of me... So being able to replace my own bow hair is my most important requirement
The Glasser is a heavier cello bow and after 30 minutes of scale practice my wrist an hand began to hurt. But my $800 cello bow I can play all day without any PAIN. It is important to invest in a quality now you can afford,that us comfortable for you to play on for hours on end.
They're different colors! There's no guessing! The silver one (bow b, the expensive one) sounds clearer to me, but the $99 (green, bow a) is pretty darn good! If pressed for money, I'd have no qualms with the $99 one!!! Where do we buy this?
I don't care about the equipment.
You are a great musician, Ilia.
I'm so proud to study cello with you.
Merry X-mas :)
I can hear the difference between the 2. The more expensive draws more "ring" out your cello. Bows are all so unique and finding one that draws a best sound out of your instrument is key and sometimes it's not the most expensive that does that.
Beaytiful sound regardless which bow you use.
What's more critical, better bow or better strings?
I always thought the hair matters not the wood material…. I can feel the sounds are definitely different.
Thank you for this useful video! ❤
Would have liked to hear some spicatto...off the string strokes. Then we would likely heard more ugly noise from the cheaper bow. Bow a was the cheap one. It did have a little junk in the tone. Clearly the cheap bow is good for the money. Where did you get it?? I'll get my students to buy... lol.
Hi Ilia, this was a great video, I found that I could be much more attentive to the differences in sound that each bow created. I would be interested to know what the weight differences are between each bow, is the $99 bow that you used a bit heavier or lighter at the frog than that $3000 bow that you used? I am looking for a new bow at the moment, so I am trying to work out whether I will benefit from something that is a bit heavier or a bit lighter. Thank you from New Zealand!
The bow used in the “b” designated performances sounded Iike the $3,000 one. I heard more resonance from the cello and a brighter sound. The $99 bow sounded darker and there was less depth in the sound. Good to know that a $99 bow can provide acceptable performance for aspiring cellists.
I think once you get to $1000 and upwards, the difference is negligible. While the difference between a $30 and $1000 bow might be obvious, the more you spend from that point the less difference there is. In other words bow prices are on an extreme exponential curve. Even if I was an advanced player I would never spend $3000 on a bow. That amount of cash would be better spent on a few sets of the best strings you can afford, plus an advance expert luthier set up and adjustment (sound post, bridge etc). You are a great player so both of the bows help you make a wonderful sound.
I can't really tell the difference, not sure if it's obvious for you when playing it, but it might be easier for us listening if you could upgrade your mic for recording with a pair of Sony ECM-100N mics or a pair of Neumann KM184 MT, although you would have to sell your expensive bow to buy one of those 😀
Merci bcp pour vos tutos. Bonne année :)
De rien! Bonne année pour vous! 😃
You never told us which one was "a" or "b" actually.
The metal next to wear your index finger rests are different colors. The $99 bow had yellowish stripes (a) and his expensive bow looked like a solid metal gray (b).
The first now played is the $3,000 now. Mind you Illa would make a great sound with any kind of now.
Why do you play on a 7/8 size cello?your vids are incredible thanks so much
Thank you so much! Good question. I play on a 7/8 because it is really comfortable to play on. But of course it depends all on the instrument. In my case the instrument just hugged since we met and we felt immediately a connection between the two of us.
What strings do you use too
It sounded like the more expensive bow was A for the odd numbers and B for the even numbers.
My most expensive bow I own is a 800 dollar pernambuco. It is a wonderful bow compared to my $65 dollar laminate GLASSER bow which crap.
Queria eu fazer esse som de $99 !!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Я, кажется, слышу разницу. Но вот вопрос: а если установить волос одинаковый, то разница будет? Не в волосе ли дело?
I hear no difference between the two bows. I think only the player will FEEL the difference. Personally, I think that the most important difference between bows is the relative ease of producing spiccato. I enjoyed hearing your rich playing.
I have a $100 bow and a $1000 bow. The difference is great. The cheap one is heavy and unwieldy. The expensive one is lighter and more agile. The sound it creates is much better.
I couldn't hear a lot of difference . maybe in articulation. At your level of playing you can make 100.00 bow sound good. for me the 2900.00 diff in price doesn't justify the sound difference. playability is subjective too.
Tengo uno de fibra de carbono de,100 us. Y uso uno de 15 us. Que funciona muy bien.
Your cello? Your ability? You could play with a pool cue and it would sound good. I also play electric guitar. If you play an adequate guitar (well set up) though a good amp, it sounds good, reverse, not the case. Maybe the $99 bow in this instance is a well set up guitar.
To my untrained ear, the difference was very slight but more noticable with certain pieces. My takeaway from this is, the skill of the Bowman maketh the bow. PS: For $3000 that dam bow better come with a white cello, a Yamaha CLP 745 in polished ebony and a convertible mini Cooper in baby blue, for good measure! 😁
What kind is the 99 dollar bow I need to get two
It's easy for you to transpose your technique on a cheap bow because you already explored it on a really expensive bow (far from 3000 😅) , so you know how to play.
The difference would be more significant if it was a 3rd grade cellist who was testing both of them. 👍🏻
Also, we can't hear real projection you have with them and it makes a real difference.
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