Which bow did you like the most, and why? Let's start a healthy & fresh discussion! Watch this video next: ruclips.net/video/6LRE8qdceg8/видео.htmlsi=rE5boTY3jafsIebl
Honestly, I can't hear the difference, but if you, the artist can, that's where the the true difference is. And that is part of your art. Thanks for sharing. Much respect.
I had that experienced that when I spent 5 hours trying different cellos! The last cello( which I didn’t know the price, when I first picked it up!) It played like butter and seemed to say, “Don’t worry, Ken, I’ve played that Ab thousands of times!” It was incredible. Then I learned that it was built in around 1786 and had a price tag of $178,000.00!
Second time I've listened to this. This time with ear buds. Hardly any difference. But, as a (non professional) cellist I do realize there is a huge difference in how the bow feels to the musician.
Its not only the sound to test here, also very important how much work does the bow do for meaning is it forgiving mean you don't have to put so much force and stress to create a good tone, My point of view, plus how balance is to it to you
I ruled out Bow C pretty quickly. It just didn't have the sound projection or clarity that A and B had. I had to listen to almost all the selections before giving A the top grade. B was a very close second. Both had a smooth, even, amazing sound. But I can't afford a 5K or 50K bow :(
That was an interesting comparison. The cheap bow seemed apparent since it sounded gritty, but I thought you just seemed more comfortable with your bow, so I selected that one because of how you played. What you are demonstrating is probably far more apparent and important to the player (within reason). Your sound was satisfactory with all three because of you, not the bow. A poor instrument will be far more obvious, but the player can still compensate. Strings, rosin and hair will also make a difference. Another remarkable effect is that excellent players can have different preferences while still sounding great. It's a fun discussion.
I knew the right order immediately, even listening on laptop :) The french bow made quite a difference in sound quality with its depth and rich tone. The second one seemed louder with much potential in dynamics, but sounded a bit harsh for me. Last one was just thin nasal sound with lot of scratchy noise, and clearly uncontrollable. 🥸
The value of a bow is in the ease of drawing the maximum sound, without exertion, from the cello. Responsiveness vis a vie spicatto, staccato etc. AT all volume levels is imperative. I had a Lupot which was magnificent for solo work, but allowed me to be overbearing when playing chamber music. The proper bow is essential to perform to the demands of the performance. Great topic. Keep up the challenging and thoughtful presentations.
Mestre, difícil, com sua virtuosidade, dizer que algum deles produz um som pior. Porém, prestei bastante atenção e acertei os 3. Principalmente nas notas curtas notei pequena diferença no arco C. Nos arcos A e B, acho que acertei por intuição. Obrigado pelo vídeo instrutivo !!!👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿🌷
Based on sound alone I though bow A was middle price, bow B was the inexpensive one, and bow C the most expensive. However, considering that the most expensive bows would be wood and not carbon fiber I would expect bow C to be the cheapest one. As the cellist you experience the feedback the bow gives you and adjust your technique accordingly. Proof that you can make a cheap bow sing!
I didn't see the answers yet, but I only could hear a clear difference between A and (B&C), I can't hear much difference between B and C, but if I could choose I would have chosen for B.
This is why I will NEVER spend too much on a bow. As a professional cellist, I could hardly hear any discernible difference between these three bows. Speaks, perhaps, to your immense abilities! ;-) Myself, I've used a $600 carbon fibre bow for 11 years now, and never felt like I missed out on anything.
I like bow A, then C, then B. A is te smoothest and makes the best/easiest contact with the string, gets the string vibrating fastest. B sounds very harsh and it makes the sound sharp, edgy. I think?? No idea,.... I will finish the video now.
The difference on the video is most noticeable at the beginning of the note, or the attack. Bows B and C have much harsher attacks compared to A for me.
I think A was the best one by my ears by a hair(no pun intended)...but the tiny difference doesnt justify the 50,000 price tag and maybe reflects the comfort that you the player are having that comes through slightly to the listener.
With comparisons like these, I always wished people would include a product that the average player would use. Maybe I'm being presumptuous but most people don't have a 5000 EUR bow or a 1 EUR bow. So I would like to see one that is like 1000 or 2000 EUR bow to demonstrate what is the difference from a more average bow. Since yes of course 1 EUR is worse than 5000 EUR... but I bet MANY 1000 EUR bows sound better than MUCH more expensive bows on some peoples cellos. Anyway I enjoyed this video a lot, thanks for the content
It's obvious that bow C is the lowest quality one when u play the fast running passages. The clarity and responsiveness are definitely less. Between A and B, a bit harder to tell, though, during the slower pieces, A seems to have a bigger projection. I guess the sound based on video is subpar, but the cellist will know the difference in ease of playing. Truth is, you sounded great with all 3. As a cello student, I guess I have to continue to practise hard cos the player is the key to how the music sounds
How much does the price tag effect your appreciation of a piece of art? Its very possible to find an excellent bow by an unknown maker that isn't stamped with a famous makers name.
Listening only, I had the B picked out due to the sweetness of the sound, but A had a power that was tangible even through my AirPods. I couldn’t pick between A & B at first. Then I watched again and could SEE how easily you were playing with A. Definitely less work. Eliminated C immediately.
B worked the least well by a considerable margin: beginnings of rapid notes were not clean, overall a bit scratchy tone. Between A and C there was not an obvious difference in quality, but I would give a slight preference to A which seemed to give a darker sound in your hands. Speaking of hands, a valued senior colleage once advised me that if you are trying bows and having someone else play bows for you to, you should only listen to the first five seconds of each bow. After that, a good player adjusts to the bow and you are hearing the player more than the bow. I certainly thought you sounded very much like yourself on all three bows, though I'm sure they felt very different to you.
My assumption was that bow A was the 50000 bow. But I chose B = 1euro.. and, of course, C = 5000 euros. When you see the price of a good bow, you are a little bit depressed, thinking that you will need to be satisfied playing with a 200-euros... very often, it seems to me that my bow is keeping my performance down, even if I am far from being a professional. So, somehow, I have to accept this limit or start saving in order to buy a better bow!
This what drives me batty concerning celli bows and cellos. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO MORTGAGE YOUR HOUSE TO GET A DECENT INSTRUMENT!! And I kid you not after I had acquired a new cello, I went to my trusty violin shop sat down with my cello, given a drawerful of bows to try. I played all of them in a matter of an hour or so. I went the next day tried a few prospects snd came down to one that only cost me about less than $600. The other ones i tried were in the thousands. Just look for an instrument or bow that sounds good, projects well and do the same when searching fir a bow to match it- comfort, weight and playability.
La qualità del suòno dipènde essenzialmènte da due prioritàri fattòri: 1 - il "mànico" (come qui, in quel di Napoli, usiamo dire fra nòi), cioè la capacità, l'esperiènza... la bravùra di chi suòna; 2- la qualità, nel suo insième dello strùmènto. Infatti ricòrdo ancòra le leziòni da studènde al Conservatòrio di San Pietro a Majella, qui a Napoli, col mio maèstro Guglielmo (Willy) La Volpe. Quando ci facèva ascoltàre lui i bràni, i pàssi diffìcili, coi nostri strumènti, sembràva che lo strumènto si trasformàsse. L'arco di buona qualità ha di divèrso da quelli econòmici una migliòre gestibilità, soprattùtto nel balzàto ed in tutti quegli usi più virtuosìstici.
Absolutely true. This video was actually more in the purpose of how the bow feels and the quailty of it. By my own experiences, the Voirin bow (50.000) sounds huge in a concert hall of aprox 1500 seats. The 5000 € as well, but requires a little more physical effort. The 1 € I would never try out 😂
@@IliaLaporevcellist I just purchased a new violin bow funnily enough. (2 Days ago). £2,700 ... It's like a magic wand.. But I'm still shellshocked at spending that much on a stick :D
I'm sick and tired of this click bait nonesense about the prices of bows and instruments. Why didn't you try a $200 and a $500 bow eh? After this its the player that makes the difference. Like saying that a $15000 cello sounds worse than a $100,000 one. Nonesense.
Which bow did you like the most, and why? Let's start a healthy & fresh discussion!
Watch this video next: ruclips.net/video/6LRE8qdceg8/видео.htmlsi=rE5boTY3jafsIebl
The 2nd bow was the best to me.
Hello! Could you do a quick about “sotie”? Fast bowing needed in 2 movement of Elgar cello concerto? I will be very grateful 🙏🏻🌷
@zuzia2488 Hi! I do have an old video where I explain a bit about sautillé, here it is: ruclips.net/video/ZMsOfz7yY1M/видео.html
@@IliaLaporevcellist Ohh I didn’t notice that! Thank you so much 😊
Honestly, I can't hear the difference, but if you, the artist can, that's where the the true difference is. And that is part of your art. Thanks for sharing. Much respect.
I had that experienced that when I spent 5 hours trying different cellos! The last cello( which I didn’t know the price, when I first picked it up!) It played like butter and seemed to say, “Don’t worry, Ken, I’ve played that Ab thousands of times!”
It was incredible. Then I learned that it was built in around 1786 and had a price tag of $178,000.00!
Second time I've listened to this. This time with ear buds. Hardly any difference. But, as a (non professional) cellist I do realize there is a huge difference in how the bow feels to the musician.
Its not only the sound to test here, also very important how much work does the bow do for meaning is it forgiving mean you don't have to put so much force and stress to create a good tone, My point of view, plus how balance is to it to you
I ruled out Bow C pretty quickly. It just didn't have the sound projection or clarity that A and B had. I had to listen to almost all the selections before giving A the top grade. B was a very close second. Both had a smooth, even, amazing sound. But I can't afford a 5K or 50K bow :(
recomiendas el arco talón francés "la fleur"?
That was an interesting comparison. The cheap bow seemed apparent since it sounded gritty, but I thought you just seemed more comfortable with your bow, so I selected that one because of how you played.
What you are demonstrating is probably far more apparent and important to the player (within reason).
Your sound was satisfactory with all three because of you, not the bow.
A poor instrument will be far more obvious, but the player can still compensate. Strings, rosin and hair will also make a difference.
Another remarkable effect is that excellent players can have different preferences while still sounding great.
It's a fun discussion.
b did seem comfortable at times! overall the grit did advance ya
I knew the right order immediately, even listening on laptop :) The french bow made quite a difference in sound quality with its depth and rich tone. The second one seemed louder with much potential in dynamics, but sounded a bit harsh for me. Last one was just thin nasal sound with lot of scratchy noise, and clearly uncontrollable. 🥸
The value of a bow is in the ease of drawing the maximum sound, without exertion, from the cello. Responsiveness vis a vie spicatto, staccato etc. AT all volume levels is imperative. I had a Lupot which was magnificent for solo work, but allowed me to be overbearing when playing chamber music. The proper bow is essential to perform to the demands of the performance. Great topic. Keep up the challenging and thoughtful presentations.
It was a challenge to know exactly - you played so well per usual
Mestre, difícil, com sua virtuosidade, dizer que algum deles produz um som pior. Porém, prestei bastante atenção e acertei os 3. Principalmente nas notas curtas notei pequena diferença no arco C.
Nos arcos A e B, acho que acertei por intuição. Obrigado pelo vídeo instrutivo !!!👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿🌷
Based on sound alone I though bow A was middle price, bow B was the inexpensive one, and bow C the most expensive. However, considering that the most expensive bows would be wood and not carbon fiber I would expect bow C to be the cheapest one. As the cellist you experience the feedback the bow gives you and adjust your technique accordingly. Proof that you can make a cheap bow sing!
To me bow c sound horrible, I personally find bow B to be the most expensive by sound alone
I didn't see the answers yet, but I only could hear a clear difference between A and (B&C), I can't hear much difference between B and C, but if I could choose I would have chosen for B.
Interesting that A was the expensive one, it sounded the worst in my experience taking out the factor of playability of course...
This is why I will NEVER spend too much on a bow. As a professional cellist, I could hardly hear any discernible difference between these three bows. Speaks, perhaps, to your immense abilities! ;-) Myself, I've used a $600 carbon fibre bow for 11 years now, and never felt like I missed out on anything.
I like bow A, then C, then B. A is te smoothest and makes the best/easiest contact with the string, gets the string vibrating fastest. B sounds very harsh and it makes the sound sharp, edgy. I think?? No idea,.... I will finish the video now.
Oh man, I really misjudged C and B!!! Sorry I was so harsh on your own bow!! 😁
The difference on the video is most noticeable at the beginning of the note, or the attack. Bows B and C have much harsher attacks compared to A for me.
I think A was the best one by my ears by a hair(no pun intended)...but the tiny difference doesnt justify the 50,000 price tag and maybe reflects the comfort that you the player are having that comes through slightly to the listener.
With comparisons like these, I always wished people would include a product that the average player would use. Maybe I'm being presumptuous but most people don't have a 5000 EUR bow or a 1 EUR bow. So I would like to see one that is like 1000 or 2000 EUR bow to demonstrate what is the difference from a more average bow. Since yes of course 1 EUR is worse than 5000 EUR... but I bet MANY 1000 EUR bows sound better than MUCH more expensive bows on some peoples cellos. Anyway I enjoyed this video a lot, thanks for the content
i only hear that c is gritty. others seem too similar for me
It's obvious that bow C is the lowest quality one when u play the fast running passages. The clarity and responsiveness are definitely less. Between A and B, a bit harder to tell, though, during the slower pieces, A seems to have a bigger projection. I guess the sound based on video is subpar, but the cellist will know the difference in ease of playing.
Truth is, you sounded great with all 3. As a cello student, I guess I have to continue to practise hard cos the player is the key to how the music sounds
How much does the price tag effect your appreciation of a piece of art? Its very possible to find an excellent bow by an unknown maker that isn't stamped with a famous makers name.
Listening only, I had the B picked out due to the sweetness of the sound, but A had a power that was tangible even through my AirPods. I couldn’t pick between A & B at first. Then I watched again and could SEE how easily you were playing with A. Definitely less work. Eliminated C immediately.
B worked the least well by a considerable margin: beginnings of rapid notes were not clean, overall a bit scratchy tone. Between A and C there was not an obvious difference in quality, but I would give a slight preference to A which seemed to give a darker sound in your hands.
Speaking of hands, a valued senior colleage once advised me that if you are trying bows and having someone else play bows for you to, you should only listen to the first five seconds of each bow. After that, a good player adjusts to the bow and you are hearing the player more than the bow. I certainly thought you sounded very much like yourself on all three bows, though I'm sure they felt very different to you.
A is definitely best; can't tell that much difference between B and C
My assumption was that bow A was the 50000 bow. But I chose B = 1euro.. and, of course, C = 5000 euros.
When you see the price of a good bow, you are a little bit depressed, thinking that you will need to be satisfied playing with a 200-euros... very often, it seems to me that my bow is keeping my performance down, even if I am far from being a professional. So, somehow, I have to accept this limit or start saving in order to buy a better bow!
I thought bow A was the cheap one, I'm not worthy 🤣
Yeah I bet I could make em all sound cheap lol
Team Yuki got 100% correct!
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HAHAHAHHA, I thought C is the most expensive one!
I like bow B
A sounds better, but I heard B and C sounds the same 😂😂
This what drives me batty concerning celli bows and cellos. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO MORTGAGE YOUR HOUSE TO GET A DECENT INSTRUMENT!!
And I kid you not after I had acquired a new cello, I went to my trusty violin shop sat down with my cello, given a drawerful of bows to try. I played all of them in a matter of an hour or so. I went the next day tried a few prospects snd came down to one that only cost me about less than $600. The other ones i tried were in the thousands. Just look for an instrument or bow that sounds good, projects well and do the same when searching fir a bow to match it- comfort, weight and playability.
i think bow C is the most expensive one，B is the cheapest
La qualità del suòno dipènde essenzialmènte da due prioritàri fattòri:
1 - il "mànico" (come qui, in quel di Napoli, usiamo dire fra nòi), cioè la capacità, l'esperiènza... la bravùra di chi suòna;
2- la qualità, nel suo insième dello strùmènto.
Infatti ricòrdo ancòra le leziòni da studènde al Conservatòrio di San Pietro a Majella, qui a Napoli, col mio maèstro Guglielmo (Willy) La Volpe. Quando ci facèva ascoltàre lui i bràni, i pàssi diffìcili, coi nostri strumènti, sembràva che lo strumènto si trasformàsse.
L'arco di buona qualità ha di divèrso da quelli econòmici una migliòre gestibilità, soprattùtto nel balzàto ed in tutti quegli usi più virtuosìstici.
A lot of tone is lost when you are not in the same room.
Absolutely true. This video was actually more in the purpose of how the bow feels and the quailty of it. By my own experiences, the Voirin bow (50.000) sounds huge in a concert hall of aprox 1500 seats. The 5000 € as well, but requires a little more physical effort. The 1 € I would never try out 😂
@@IliaLaporevcellist I just purchased a new violin bow funnily enough. (2 Days ago). £2,700 ... It's like a magic wand.. But I'm still shellshocked at spending that much on a stick :D
@cackslopper5321 The prices are ridiculous…
I'm sick and tired of this click bait nonesense about the prices of bows and instruments. Why didn't you try a $200 and a $500 bow eh? After this its the player that makes the difference. Like saying that a $15000 cello sounds worse than a $100,000 one. Nonesense.
I am sorry you feel sick and tired…wishing you a good and fast recovery!
@@IliaLaporevcellist Could you please try a $200 and $500 bow?
@ourmail9044 if I find around my surroundings, yes of course!
@@IliaLaporevcellist Well if you can find a $50K bow it will be easy to find a $200 and $500 one
The 1 euro bow sounds best, sorry to $ay that!