As a man who was in the Homosexual lifestyle from 15-40 years old. I finally... submitted my identity to Christ and Christ alone. I called off my engagement with the man I was 4 months away from marrying and I pray to bring many more to know God's love by speaking the TRUTH into their lives and that God made man and woman and we can't change God's design for humanity. God bless y'all and keep standing on God's holy words.
You have the right to make that choice for yourself, but we until we prove God is real, we should never use him as a reason to convince people to leave the people they love
I've seen this video before, before i realized i was bisexual. I relate very much to the girl in the video. However, I really hope that someone who is NOT that catholic priest tells her the real truth: living a homosexual lifestyle is still sin. Having an internal desire for the same sex is born of our sinful nature, and acting on that is giving in to that sin. I struggle with having lustful desires for both men AND women, yet every day I continually submit those struggles to God because He loves me enough to tell me that He'll be there through it all. I hope that others with similar experiences and struggles realize this as well.
@@skrrskrr5386So, I don’t want to burden you by asking you to write paragraphs of that situation, but Could you quickly explain what happened in this encounter? I’m just curious because I myself have never had this kind of experience
Me personally, ima talk to them as a Christian. Just like how I would talk to anyone else. I am a Christian, made in his image. I’m proud and boisterous with my faith. With no disrespect or hate mind you.
The problem is that people want to use God to make themselves feel good but the Bible says "because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.” Hebrews 12:6
I know I’m not perfect. And there’s probably things I do that God hates. But, despite that. I still want him in my life and hear the truth. And if a pastor is not challenging me to want to be better or make me question, if I’m saved or not, I don’t think the Pastor is doing a good job.
One (of the many) things I don't understand is how so many progressive "Christians" affirm these folks and their behavior, simply because they themselves have an LGBT family member or friend. I don't see how that should make a difference as to whether something is wrong or right, but I've heard of this from people several times.
@@e.m.8094 Wow you should be ashamed. You’re literally dressing up your point as if being gay is somehow a bad behavior. Have some more self-awareness.
I feel like the one thing the man's teaching was lacking was when he said "God loves you as you are," he didn't follow it up with "and he wants you to be better." This way it removes any confusion of whether he means that you're good enough the way you are, or if you're simply loved by God no matter the circumstances
@@Maksie0 My guy, everybody sins. Sexuality had nothing to do with my comment. The person he was talking to has sins, though I don't know what they are, because she's human. God wants us to leave our sins behind no matter what they might be
First! This is a watered-down doctrine. He's right about unfair condemnation that ends in people becoming further from God, but he's wrong in affirming this lifestyle. God hung out and ate with the sinners, but he didn't condone them. He forgave them and told them to sin no more. In talking about cherry-picking verses, he's himself cherry-picking.
Well so are you… I’m sure that the Bible says something about (do unto others as you would have then do to you), now How many people have tried to condemn you for who you love or who you’re attracted to, so therefore, you shouldn’t do that to others… otherwise, you’re just cherry-picking
@@TheStarshipGarage I’m pointing out the hypocrisy in your logic… you’re saying he’s cherry-picking, but if you think that being gay is something that should be discouraged, then you’re also cherry-picking, because you point to the part where the Bible says “gay bad” but ignore the part where it says “do unto others as they would do to you”
@@TheStarshipGarageand I feel like I’m doing just that right now… I’m trying to help you recognize that there’s a double-standard when you criticize a fellow Christian for doing something you also do… because if you think that being gay should be condemned, that is cherry-picking
Thank you for making this video with pointers as to how to speak the truth in love to these people. I truly appreciate it. I’ve made a couple videos on it, but it’s been a while. Gods had it on my Heart to do another video on it & I just want to make sure I explain biblical truth correctly yet gently, while also preaching that repentance is 100% necessary not just from this lifestyle but any other lifestyle! I feel more prepared to make a new video on this topic now. Thanks, Brother!
I know its late but I like hearing people share their stories I dont feel so alone on it. I loved someone and I believed I could be with them celibately and continue to focus on God. But I fought back and forth and I was hurting them that whole time. When I finally broke things off I felt awful they were so kind unconditionally. They couldn’t understand why and I can’t explain. This person is still in my life but they still hurt and struggle and I often fail to help them. And now Im struggling with self hatred that I hurt her and probably pushed them away from God as well, although its not up on that topic. I have to admit it suck. alot. But im glad I did I just wish I didn’t hurt them.
We have to remember that repentance is something most Christians don’t know how to articulate in a way that is helpful. It’s either used to lord over people or over talk someone. We need to do a better job at listening to others pain, because you’re in a position to provide the gospel in a way they are primed for repentance. But rarely is it used to demonstrate love. All I hear these days is “oh I’m sorry to hear that but the bible says you gotta repent to be saved”. Now is that person actually listening? Is that person really bearing their cross? Or are they too scared to bare their burdens? It’s God’s job to bring them to him, not us. If they repent, it is because they choose to repent. So instead of presenting yourself how great a Christian you are, why not relate and present your brokenness? How you feel about not just the pain you receive from others but how you deserve hell, how you hurt others in the past and what damage you’ve done. But that’s going to require vulnerability. That takes bravery. Now THAT'S bearing a cross. Just like how Paul showed the super apostles, how he boast in his weakness. Learn from him. If you want others to repent, why not show them yourself?
This is such a good point. I think when you lead with how you are also an imperfect sinner just like them and focus on telling them the gospel, it gets the job done a lot more efficiently. Leave it to God to grow the seed you planted.
I once had a lesbian coworker who unabashedly lived the lesbian lifestyle. Another coworker who happened to be Christian (don't remember which denomination) unintentionally reminded her of the bad experience she had in church, which brought her to tears. I wasn't bold enough to share my thoughts on the church or her lifestyle, but I did my best to make sure she knew that I (and God) loved her. I even gave her some Subway coupons once, which she was happy about. 😊 I don't know how she's doing now, but I pray for her every day.
That’s great. Tho when I hear of people who’ve had “bad experiences at church” I almost cringe, since 90% of the time, it’s used as a copout to make fun of Christians and label us. Which makes them the discriminators. They need to learn that people, whether or not they profess to be Christian, do bad things. It’s not the churches fault, nor is God or Christianity as a whole. There’s so many crooked cops around the world, does that make all cops bad? Im not disregarding their suffering, but I’m just putting this out there. Im so tired of dealing with people who are hateful of us, but they gotta learn. Tough love. I ain’t kissing the world’s arse and dancing around their little feelings. We’re in this together. God bless everyone and stay safe!
The truth is in the pudding. Our desires and actions that we practice on a regular basis show who our father is. (John 8: 39-47) Granted this may not be evident immediately after conversion. The old man is "passing" away.
The statement about churches is always interesting because the church was not established to coddle people sin, but it was established to turn them away from sin and point them to the cross. So it's always interesting when people say that the church did a bad job. I think the churches doing its job, people just unfortunately misrepresent what the church actually is.
That priest failed at his job. He talked about “love”, but he either neglected or willfully omitted talking about repentance. You need to mention we’ve all sinned, God loved us enough to offer us a way out through Jesus, and we need to repent and place our faith in him for our salvation.
@@roscowbrown3937 Wrong. Unlike your comment, us being sinners and needing to repent is relevant. Especially since it’s a priest/pastor’s job to tell us that as it’s part of the Gospel.
The wise will listen and give wisdom when given opportunity. If someone scoffs at you when you rebuke them, have nothing to do with them anymore. This applies to all types of people. Also, remember what Jesus said about eunuchs. You can apply this message to today. People have been born this way, some are made this way by others, and some are made this way by their own choice.
That's like tying your whole identity to who you murdered, or who you robbed. "I'm a thief," said the ornery man. Though, people do proudly proclaim such things, it's rotten.
Yes, being gay is just like murdering people, there is no difference whatsoever between these 2 things and you people act like comparing God to Santa Claus I’d insincere
i have to say it's great that the pope has finally pointed out god's error about homosexuality and okayed gay marriage, nice to see religion finally catching up with real morality, and good of the religists to admit god was wrong. maybe in a few years it'll l be so watered down religion will be invisible. what did they do with the space left by limbo being abolished? ballroom? casino?
Hey this topic is so necessary. Personally its the thing that resonates. But honestly if you ask me, this is a really relevant topic because we all need the answers to this question, specially when you are sitting next to a girl who is a lesbian and you dont know the 'genteel' way to approach her. Honestly its like talking to someone with 'same-sex attraction' requires boundaries and not as easy as it seems. 'Sticky topic' and something worth getting into a conversation about.
Yeah, but here’s the thing though: nobody should have to sit there, and listen to someone tell them how the love they have for someone is sinful and wrong or evil. I don’t have to respect a belief or idea that disrespects my existence.
@@Doom0728 I thought everything was baseless and meaningless in atheism 🤣. What’s your objective definition of love then? Love is immaterial, can you scientifically demonstrate love and differentiate it as something different than lust?
@@michaeljohnson9817 You are massively ignorant. Atheism has nothing to do with love, science, or anything else. Atheism is simply not believing in any God or Gods. Do you think this is funny? Cause I assure you it’s not.
Thank you for this video. I think it’s clear in the Bible. God loves everyone, but being fallen sinful beings our inclinations are for behaviours that do not honour God. That is more or less the broad, Christian view. If you’re not a Christian, then I nor any other Christian is meant to judge you, but it does seem strange that you’d find a Christian YT channel and seek to argue with them about their beliefs. Surely there must be a better use of your time.
@@roscowbrown3937No, I don’t. The only one here trying to convince anyone of anything is you. It’s not my job to convince, or judge, anyone who doesn’t believe in the Bible. I hope you have a nice day. 😊
@@YegRon But it is your job as a Christian to convince people. That’s literally what the great commission is. As a Christian, you’re just gonna ignore all that? Then, fundamentally speaking, you cannot be a Christian.
@@Doom0728I’m to go and tell people what Jesus said and did. It’s not my job to convince anyone. The Bible says that that’s God’s work. As for who I am or am not, I’m quite confident in my identity and don’t require anyone else’s affirmation.
have you ever thought of doing a video on the problems the younger generation faces like gen Z and millennials because this is a big thing right now in society there is of course a lot of hate between the younger and older boomer generation and I can't tell you how many videos I've seen on RUclips about Generation Z say they are the most depressed hopeless generation or they are generation that just gave up a generation without a future And the church hasn't really done a good job at addressing these kinds of issues especially young men that are being left hopeless and I should know because I'm part of Generation Z and I frankly told God for 2 and a half years I told God I hate living here and living in the generation that I want a way out to have a new life and live somewhere else in human history😅 I can't tell you how many times I poured my heart out to God for that But maybe it's something you can make a video on an address in a future video
Society sucks. God wants us to tell the truth lovingly, but tough loving. I always say “why do you think people are depressed?” Cuz of a society that murders babies in the womb and sexualizes everything. Sorry that Christians care for real morals🤷♀️
What kind of bugs me about these conversations is how many people arent even base it on an innate proclivity or anything like that. Its just an ingroup thing to many people. Anyone who is non-binary or asexual, I would say falls into this category. Not wanting to immediately have sex with every person you see does not make you "asexual", it makes you normal. And not having an interest in relationships at all, that is also perfectly normal. But if you call yourself "aromatic" and youre fapping to porn every night, then youre just like everyone else in the world. I digress, point is, a lot of these identities arent even based on something tangible, and yet it utilizes the exact same mentality, how are you supposed to break that down?
Uhh for one it does cuz being asexual or aromantic means you have little to no sexual attraction or romantic attraction just saying bro like 99.99% people have a lot of sexual attraction cuz every species seeks out sex and love cuz that’s how we evolve that’s how we reproduce and etc I’m not saying being asexual is normal but literally that statement you made is kinda false also there’s aromantic ppl that don’t watch porn and they know there aromantic bc they’ve tried it and it doesn’t work out from them
@@cozblaze Yeah no I dont care. There's not some mental issue with that. There's not some *identity* to that. Its just a preference some people have, because "they tried it" whatever that means, and had reservations for whatever reason. Its a personality thing not an immutable characteristic. Just because it seems like a majority of people are addicted to porn doesnt mean the few people who arent are somehow innately different.
I don't know if what I say will be productive honestly, but as a Christian who has wrestled with the sin of homosexuality, maybe I can explain. Honestly, non-binary seems like a cry for attention. With the other ones idk. But with the one in conversation, I was raped by friend at the time, a young man. That then informed the porn I watched. It's not my identity, as a lot of secular voices would like me believe, but we can't overlook the fact that in things involving sex whether that be porn or something else, the two become one. That is why it's incredibly dicey to talk about this stuff. As a Christian you're identity changes. I'm not saying that homosexuality is ok, and we should just let it be. But I'm not just going to say it's an easy sin to overcome.
@@Dean-sm5rt well yeah that's definitely the case and I have my own heterosexual issues in that area myself so that's a good take... But im talking about asexuality. Which is different.
everyone seems to assume satan is going to be horrid. if i go to hell then GOD is "punishing me" for my sins, but why would satan want to punish me too? satan despises christians. if i'm being punished by satan, then satan is doing god's work - that makes zero sense. hell is more likely to be eternity having more fun than you ever could on earth, this is what god hates, heaven will just be eternal worship, satan is SAVING you from an eternity of boredom and slavery. i see no reason why hell wouldn't be a great place to be, no mind control, no ten commandments to follow, just eternal life that you can probably quit if you get bored with learning guitar from hendrix or trying to grasp relativity from einstein. why would hell be undesirable? why would satan want to torment me - he detests god and christians, not sinners.
Satan is not punishing you, hell is actually created for Satan, Satan will be thrown into hell himself as punishment. We all will have to pay the debt of our sin, either we'll pay it ourselves or we can let it be paid by Jesus on the cross.
I used to be gay. It's tiresome to listen to others tip toe around the topic. If I wasn't told the truth head on, I would have NEVER considered coming to Christ and be freed of that sin and lifestyle. We speak truth for salvation. What? Is it not love to be direct and speak about God in boldness? We're not called to condemn, but to bless and sharing the gospel is the greatest gift and most pure form of showing love. Why do it halfway? B/c they get offended? And? We weren't given the sword to set it aside. This is spiritual warfare. We don't bend and mold ourselves to them. No! Dark trembles and hides away from light, not the other way around. Glory to God! Amen. "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek." (Romans 1:16).
That’s not possible though. You can’t just stop being gay, that’s impossible. My gay brother was gay ever since he was little, she was also a Christian for years growing up and constantly lied to himself, saying that he was not gay and that he was just “demon possessed” or something. He prayed and prayed and prayed…. and he still was gay at the end of it all. My brother is an atheist now and so am I and I’m glad he finally got past the religious dogma and accepted himself for who he is. His life‘s been better ever since. Remember: there’s a reason conversion therapy is banned…..
@@Doom0728 Who says it's impossible? B/c your brother is still gay, it should then be impossible for me, too? Yeah, alone it's impossible. I know, I've been there. But, I didn't make the change nor the work to be free - that was all God. The glory and honor is His. He did free me, I share no lie. I only clinged to His promise and share my personal experience of it. No hollow hopes, but something real and tangible which is what I sought after. God is real. I didn't know it was banned. Good! Are you sure? I thought it was legal in some states. I don't condone, support or approve of conversion therapy; in fact, I'm 100% against it. I personally did not go or experience such thing - I never truly believed in it, anyways. God bless you!
@@Man.of.God30 Bless you too. I won’t deny that you genuinely have made a change in your sexuality as all I can do is take your word for it but for the most part, and for most people. That’s not possible. Scientifically speaking: All major medical health organizations in the world (APA, NIH,etc) have agreed that sexuality cannot be changed and is in fact harmful to try and do so. Most clinical studies have found that there is no clinical evidence to suggest that sexuality can be altered. So no, gay people for the most part can’t stop being gay. I know you’re religious and that you believe you made a genuine change in yourself (maybe you weren’t gay, just bisexual or pansexual instead and that’s why it was easy for you to make the “change” 🤷)But please know that for the vast majority science says you can’t. All I hope is that you at least accept others as they are as valid.
@@Doom0728 If your trust is in medicine and science, you've come across a field of serious limitations. They can't heal cancer or aids, yet I've heard testimonies of people healed of both through Jesus Christ. So, it's false when you say they cannot change. As I mentioned, alone it's impossible but you skipped over the part when I said God liberates and transforms. It's not about religion, but faith in Jesus Christ. So, no, I don't accept the lie that the LGBTQ+ community has to remain as such, unless of course they want to (free will), but thats a conscious choice made. My goal is to share the truth and not to validate falsehood. Also, why do you try to explain to me my own past? Lol Ask any LGBTQ+ person and they'll explain how concrete their sexuality is. What you say is contradictory.
@@Man.of.God30 Here’s the thing though: I don’t believe in your religion or god. Being gay or even straight for that matter is not a conscious decision or choice that people make. Would you say that straight people are making a choice to be straight? It’s not a lie. It’s been proven scientifically and clinically that you can’t change sexual orientation even if you wanted to. Everything else you said about how “God‘s powerful, and he can heal this or that” is meaningless to me as an atheist. LGBT is not a lie, they’re not lying when they say they were born that way. My own brother is the same way. He was always attracted to boys so it’s not like I can make or force him to love somebody else that he just doesn’t find attractive. I mean this with all respect but I don’t buy the part where you said that “God heals cancer and aids” as true. It’s 100% possible for someone to undergo spontaneous remission but that doesn’t mean that a God, spirit or deity did that. I’ve seen people pray for their eyes or limbs to grow back yet that never happens. My own brother tried to ‘pray the gay away’ so that didn’t work. I was not being contradictory, I already acknowledged that LGBT people say how concrete their sexuality is which is why I’m arguing that orientation cannot be changed like you think it can.
Knowing what the Bible says does not necessarily change the way I would talk to them. Unless they ask me for my beliefs I'm not obligated to tell them. I think there is a place and time to speak this but it doesn't have to be shoved in someone's face all the time.
Funny, I never find the questions from the Alphabet Mafia difficult at all. 1. We're all sinners with sinful sexual desires. 2. God hates the sin of heterosexual Fornication as much as he hates homosexual Fornication. 3. God had a specific plan for sexual intercourse as between 1 man and 1 woman in marriage. His plan for sexual intercourse is specifically for marriage (1 man & 1 woman) to both strengthen their bond as a unit, as well as procreation.
@@templehillsfunk Ultimately, there's no argument you can give for why it's supposedly "immoral" to be LGBTQ+ that doesn't just boil down to "book says no". Without this irrational belief in a deity whose wishes have been perfecly transcribed into this particular version of this book, there's nothing there.
Umm okay, I don't think of my orientation as a core part of my identity because it barely crosses my mind. I imagine it's the same for you and most straight people, until you're attracted to someone. Let me put it this way, we wouldn't feel the need to even talk about it or promote being LGBTQ as an identity worthy of societal protections if it wasn't vilified by Christians and used as a political talking point to restrict our rights in society for centuries. Separation of church and state reduces hate. But also, we're allowed freedom of speech. Get over it.
I honestly feel like he’s just a con-artist who’s fully aware that what he’s saying is BS, but he gets paid for this nonsense so, this is essentially what selling your soul to the devil looks like 😈
We are to see homosexuality as any other sin such as lying,theft etc. And thereby treat a homosexual as you will treat a liar with the leading of the RUACH HA-KODESH (Holy Spirit).
@@Doom0728 What do you mean? From experience, they're usually against me. As an example, I went to get a tailored suit for a family wedding. The man attending the shop was obviously gay, but I didn't throw a book at his face. He's expertise was most helpful and I left happily with a well tailored suit. B/c I firmly stand against his lifestyle and ideology, doesn't mean I am against him as a person. Sin is sin, as I mentioned above. I won't stop confessing the truth and sharing the gospel, but I don't treat people with less value. I dislike it, of course. I'm against it, 100%. Do I believe it's a sin as explained in the Bible, YES! But, I can speak and interact with them without seeing them as lesser people. That doesn't change the fact that they're rowning in sin.
@@Man.of.God30 Not everybody is religious like you. From most stories I’ve heard, they must had a good reason to be against you. And to be honest: I don’t buy your story. Not saying that what happened is false but only your thoughts on the matter. You sound no different from when I have to deal with JW‘s who also say that they don’t necessarily hate the person who is gay, they say they only hate “gay conduct” (whatever TF that means). And what part of being gay is it that you don’t like? Loving each other? Holding hands? Kissing? Cuddling? Marriage? Gay sex? Literally even daring to have that attraction at all? These kinds of beliefs blur the line so tell me exactly what, how and why you don’t like about the fact that others are gay. (and I don’t wanna hear: “cause gawd says so!” Or “it’s a sin”!)
I have a question have any of you struggle financially during a time of your life or have gone a long time being employed because I'm going through that right now I've been unemployed for a few months and I hate it I'm autistic and I live with my parents which I hate I did have a job before but honestly should have never took it didn't pay pay well and it was a waste of time for me and I'm really at this point where I have nothing I really want God to help me get out of this position I'm in with my life
I have been unemployed for years after graduating college. I had so much difficulty with interviews at that time. The economy was in a recession. But, I also had a hard time realizing I was on the spectrum. I didn’t find out until adulthood. I was dependent on family. But, by the grace of God, I found work and I now have a steady job helping others. There is nothing wrong with you. It is difficult for us non nuero-typicals to navigate the world.
As someone who has wrestled with this and currently getting better, it's an uphill battle. I gew up in the church and I wonder why I'm any different than anyone else with this sin. There's definitely a shifting from what you think your identity is given that you're born again. It's really tough to see other's lose the fight, and honestly feel like the worst person to win them over. But I can tell other's what it's like and what to do. At the end of the day, no one is born with a sex drive, and a think abuse plays a part in it. I think that there's an internal aspect, sort of a perceived deficiency. I'm not going to be able to give a solution to every situation, but I think those are main issues you can chip away at. The biggest lie that is hard to tackle head on is that you're attractions can't change. I've actually experienced attraction to the opposite sex surprisingly which is really encouraging.
Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-12 would say differently my friend. If you're a professing believer, I would have you look at the other passages mentioned in this video and just listen to the other side. If you're not a believer, I wouls say you need the Gospel. Keep watching Isaac's videos and maybe one day it will make sense.
It's all spiritual, which many people (including some Christians) don't seem to understand. I was once gay, but I was delivered out of it. It's not an easy road when you're fighting against something that alters the mind, changes feelings, and dictates the emotions. The road is even harder in this hypersexual, lustful society. I was not raised in the Christian faith, but came to Jesus Christ later in life. After living my sinful life, I desperately wanted an out from the torment. Thankfully, I came to be in a Church with a Pastor that IS right with God and came to know the truth and learn and grow. It took some time for me to be cleaned, because of the years in the sin but God fulfilled His work in me. I speak no lies when I say that in my heart I no longer have an attraction to other men. Transformation is possible, through Jesus Christ. Alone, it's impossible - I know, I've been there. But, God CAN liberate! Glory to God! God bless you.
This is God's perfect timing!! I had just had a conversation with a member of the LGBT community about this and was scared that I was "too harsh" despite being loving in my wording. This video gave me confirmation and confidence at the perfect time; I need to stand firm in the word of God on his judgment while pointing to his love and the cross. Thank you Jesus!!
I have a hard time getting along with lgbtq people because of how pushy they get and I have a history of a bad temper and being violent but I try as a Christian to put my temper aside and pray for these people.
Yeah, it’s hard to respect people when they do nothing but mock and belittle you. Even non Christians call out on this woke bullcrap propaganda. These times are evil, from pornos trafficking minors, kids being involved into sexual orientation, pedophilia trying to be included in lgbtq etc it’s disgusting. These people should watch “woke cringe” videos and see how awful they really are. #LeaveChristiansalone
@@SBNRBornagainno you get mocked because you made yourself a clown. you’re one of those conspiracy theory nut jobs who was radicalized by facebook or something
It always saddens me when Christian’s become so obsessed with other peoples sin that they totally forget that sanctification takes a lot of time and is a process most Christian’s will have to struggle with most of their lives, just like Paus so often described. He who probably was the christian who had been the most successful in truly carrying his cross and crucifying his flesh still at the end of his life spoke about his hopes of being able to win the race and truly become one with Christ. Sanctification is what helps us banish more and more sin from our lives as we more and more manage to give up our Adams nature. And that is our works that we learn to do more and more the more we get to know Christ. And grow in our relationship. Salvation however is a grace. A gift from God to ALL who in their heart begin to believe that Jesus exists and that he died for our sins, all of our sins. Past present and future so as we could be saved and through him gain right standing before God. This is Gods plan to make sure that every human being he created with the utmost love and care is given a chance to become saved. God doesn’t create people that he hopes will be forever damned. Therefore what the first preacher said in your clip of self proclaimed no nos is actually correct. God loves all people he created also the people the world has managed to turn into sexuality that is not in alignment with his plan or his Word. One have to as a Christian be able to differentiate between sin and love. God loves people, all people. But hates sin, as God knows where the sin comes from. Most people who do not know God or Jesus don’t. And God wants every person who the world has plagued with sin to get saved with the same grace as he loves and wants all other people who also sin to get saved. To God all sin (except a very select few among which homosexuality is NOT a part) is equally bad. This means saying that God doesn’t love people who identify as lbtq is also a sin. And just like for people who identify as lbtq but become saved but doesn’t manage to abstain immediately from that salvation and Christ as our saviour and advocate before God will help them. Just as Christ will stay your saviour also when you sin and say that God does not love all people He has created. A sin is a sin is a sin! And it is through growing and maturing in spirit that we from the point of first being saved by grace will get so much more saved through our work with identifying all the little nooks and crevices in our lives and souls who still harbour sin that we more and more become more and more free also from committing sin in our lives. But it is a process. And what so many Christian’s do wrong to our neighbours these days. And that certainly also count for people who in the world has identified as lbtq when we make them believe that what they do in our eyes are the only sin that has to be abstained from immediately. And that they somehow should be different from all people I have ever known to identify as being saved. Who definitely not any one of them has ever managed to live our a completely sin free day even in their lives. As we are still all sinners. Just like brother Paul said about himself too. The difference is that when you become a Christian you become a saved sinner. And the differences is incredibly important to God. As He wants to save all his children. And wants all people he created with the love and carefulness that he counted every hair on our head to be able to return to him. And He made the Plan possible that through faith in what Jesus did for us all on the cross and through expressing our love for God and our will to become reunited with him we will be saved. Once we are saved a new journey begins through which God gets to work on us through the Holy Spirit and our choice in how fast we manage to grow in spirit our flesh and our soul can become more and more crucified. But it will take time. Which is why it is called a walk with Christ. We learn, and grow in spirit. And through that we choose to let go of more and more of the things the world is fighting and challenging us with. And people who have had the misfortune of being challenged with sexual orientations that are not of Gods plan will have a tougher struggle than most people. But Jesus sees that. And he is in control. And he helps us let go of more and more of the world as we learn and grow from our walk with him. But when we as Christians make people identifying as lbtq believe that God doesn’t love them or that their sin is so much worse than the blocks of wood we keep in our eyes and when we begin to differentiate sin from some kind of hierarchy stand point - then we also sin. And if you as a Christian hold on to such points of views and enjoy the feeling of telling yourself that lbtq people are more sinful than you are - and never manage to figure out that too is a sin. Then you might also one day be among the people Jesus will tell to go away as in his eyes he never knew you… We are called to love God and love all things he created. And that means also loving thy neighbour. And anyone who addresses us if so be it with the smallest of interest or even the toughest of questions about our faith we should be careful with how we behave. As most likely God is touching them and he is sending them our way in hopes that we will be helpful in showing the true and loving nature of God through our behaviours towards our neighbour. As He wants them too to get saved. Not condemned or disillusioned or growing a feeling that God will never love them unless they are perfect and sin free from the beginning… or that their sin is worse than yours and mine who are saved. But still do sin… which we all do… And God still chooses to save us with his infinite grace and love for his creation. But just like we when we are saved are a work in progress. So must life also be for people who identify as lbtq. And repentance and moving away from our sinful nature is a lifelong process where very few as far as the Bible tells has been able to fully become so evolved and mature that they become completely aligned and united with Christ also in soul and flesh. And we need to be mindful of that. In essence we need to help all people who seek Christ to get saved. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit will take care of the relationship with the saved person. And we can either help them by showing them love though how we behave among the people God sends our way or how we talk about them and how we talk about sin. And how we work with our own flesh and our own impure souls. We can also easily destroy Gods will by making people think that what they do and whatever sins they commit somehow are worse than yours and mine… I do believe that God does not look too kindly on Christian’s who indulge in the latter… I have seen many people from lbtq who become saved and who walk gloriously with Christ and grow in spirit and some of them abandon their lifestyle though time. While others struggle and live with the consequences just as we do when we sin. But they still have a relationship with God and Jesus. And I pray for them and wish them success in running their race towards the goal of becoming fully one with Christ. Just as I pray for all people who struggle to crucify their flesh and deal with their daily struggles of the soul vs the spirit and the Word. In essence what Christian’s need to learn to do more. And an area most of us fall into sin so often from - is our truly poor ability to love one another. And respect the struggle of one another. Instead so many thrive in the works of judging one another even though we all should know only one has the right to judge… and it is not us… Therefore share love to the people who struggle and God wants to save. Offer the good news and let then Jesus take care of the rest. He is so much better at it than all of us together. ❣️
Question, why is this sin called an abomination to God and others are not? Could it be because it is demoniclly inspiard through porn and other sexual sins that are against the body? We are made in Gods image and when we distort that image dose that then become an abomination? Making it a very serious sin?
@@roscowbrown3937Porn is 100% demonic because it insults God’s gift to us of sex by stripping away it's value as something cheap and meaningless like stupid hookups. Sex is a beautiful soul bonding ritual where a husband and wife merge together by becoming one in flesh, spirit, minds, and hearts. Also God said to be fruitful and multiply. The devil has blasphemed God by perverting everything God made by making it evil like porn, rape and etc. I can't wait for the day porn gets abolished.
I was gay . My motivation was never fear...God showed me my identity is not my sex... God says also don't judge anyone by flesh but after spirit...people who walk in any sin HAVE seen a great light. It's only through love an realization of who God is that sets free. Fear an Judgement increases sin awareness...love exposes truth
I have felt that way, like I’ve been “accepted” as she says. But that was AFTER I was at my lowest, AFTER I hated my sin, AFTER I repented…God called me out of my sin so I could be accepted, He did not accept me in it.
The bible does not condemn homosexuality,it condemns anal sex and for your information gay marriage has a much lower divorce rate than heterosexual marriage,however I've fell in love with both men and women but if I get married I want to do it because I am in love and not because it's sinful or not.
Gay marriage has a lower divorce rate because there are less homosexuals that heterosexuals in the world. Also Leviticus18:22, 20:13 If a man lies with a man as with a woman they both have committed abomination
I would love to see those statistics, as I have actually heard it is the opposite, almost all same-sex marriages end in divorce? Since biblical marriage is meant to be between one man and one woman, and sex outside of that constellation is sin, to me living that lifestyle is clearly sin. I myself lived like that before, so I have an understanding of how people can feel, but that is no excuse.
@@hampusboman7143 In the Netherlands, first country to legalize same sex marriage , the divorce rate for opposite sex couples is around 60%, gay male marriage marriage around 7% and lesbians around 15%, most statistics can confirm than lesbians have higher divorce rate than gay men in ALL countries wher same sex marriage has been legalized, but they still have slightly lower divorce rate than heterosexual couples.
How can you have such a huge grin on your face as you throw bible verses out like thats the end of the convo. Being a Theology student I'm aware things are so much more complicated than we're taught in church. People try and make things black and white but they're really not! I don't personally identify with LGBTQ. But I see the trauma friends who do have been put through by the church. Is church purity and elitism so much more important than making people feel welcome? Is this really what Jesus would do? And why do we who don't have these inclinations believe we're better and that it must be unnatural because we don't personally understand.
I some of what he said is right because we are suppose to love them but sadly some Christians do spread hate towards members of the lgbt and you find them on RUclips. I mean there are Christian’s that say slurs while preaching the gospel like sayin the F slur or the R word while preaching the gospel and you can find them sayin it on RUclips It’s sad that the lgbt community and people like me that have a disability gets hateful slurs from some Christians and that even includes preachers while preaching the gospel.
I would say you have founf a lot of not christians who call themselves christians. The point of reference is never other christians, it's the Word of God. 'By their fruits you will know them' No Christian is perfect but there are some things that you can use to avoid the pretenders
I think the daily disciple would probably benefit from trying a gay relationship, and the deep connection of two men in love. It's difficult for heterosexuals to understand love, as they are simply programmed to procreate.
I mean, people can still believe what they want, what I still don't think is ok, to have punishments for lgbtq people or killing them. Of course, people are free to judge others, but they still should be aware that they can also get judged from people who have nothing to do with their religion and still have a legitimate opinion. We live in democratic countries with a lot of people who have different opinions, lifestyles, and religions. We have to accept that other opinions can live next to our peacefully, because we aren't alone in this world. Of course, when people ask you why, do you think this is not right? You should explain because it's God's word, but you should never judge somebody for how they live, like: oh I'm much better than this person, I do much more right...You also do things wrong you also sin so it's not nice to think I'm better than you so I have the right to tell you how you should live. More like I bring up some ideas I'll inform you what I read but in a respectful way and accept when people don't want to follow you. They will be sooner or later on the Last Judgement and you too. Just keep that in mind, God bless you all🙏
If we can’t prove the Bible is true, then it doesn’t matter what it says, we shouldn’t believe every book written… so if somebody uses a book to claim that something is wrong when it does no harm, that person is factually wrong
Some things I want to clarify: that representation by whatever clergy said that is NOT the teaching of the Catholic Church and I'm not sure if that is a Catholic priest. Catholics believe that: 1) Man is created in God's image and likeness and God loves all people as his creation, but you are only made a Child of God through adoption through Baptism. 2) Sin is a transgression against the way that God created us. Male and Female he created us. Since the bible clearly outlines how God created them and reveals divine law that marriage is between one man and one woman, transgressing that is painful to God and painful to ourselves since we are created to be united to God in loving relationship. 3) God is a God of mercy and out of love for us, forgives the multitude of transgressions we make against Him. He also pours His grace over us and enables us to live out lives that better reflect His glory and fulfil his initial design. Sin disorders us and stops our will from being made perfect and united to His, but His grace alone can change that. In conclusion, the first point that God loves the person is true but it's not the fullness of truth. God loves us too much to let us stay sinful and gives us the grace necessary to no longer be sinful. Sinfulness is objective since God's Divine Law outlines what is sinful. The Church is Christ's bride and the living Body through which the Holy Spirit flows. It's by no means perfect but it absolutely is a beautiful, sacred, holy and divine body that strives for knowing God in the fullness of truth and representing it faithfully.
I really don't have any reason to worry about what's "painful to god" until this god is demonstrated to exist. Until then, there's absolutely no rational reason to think that there'd be anything wrong with gay marriage. Let's leave these irrational religious beliefs behind already.
@@Maksie0 I will lay out here why I believe there is a God and why I believe it is the most rational explanation of our existence. What ultimately caused it to exist? We are within time and since time is separate from eternity, so we come into being at some point in time. If you point it to the big bang, than time began at that point. If the universe was infinite in time, then it would have been an infinite amount of time from the beginning to us and it is impossible to traverse an infinite amount of time. So then, there must be a moment where we come into being. If we come into being, then there must be a cause for that. We accept as the law of conservation of matter that matter cannot be created or destroyed, only converted (and potentially converted to energy). Then how are we here? If the universe came into being, it is not natural for it to come into being out of nothing. Therefore, there must be a force outside of nature that caused the world as we know it to exist. There is sufficient reason to believe that God exists and is necessary for our existence, and once you understand that then looking to Jesus Christ through the Gospels gives the most rational understanding of who God is. Jesus Christ rose from the dead and there is sufficient evidence to believe it. The disciples weren't dumb and they laid down their lives because they witnessed the one true God, Jesus Christ.
@@tylerdean3489 You've claiming to have a lot of conclusive answers to big questions that we currently have no real way of knowing, like whether the universe had a "beginning point", in order to arrive at the conclusion that some outside force has to exist. The logical answer to all of these would be "I don't know", not "a god did this". I also would very much disagree that we have sufficient evidence to believe that a person "rose from the dead" after several days of being dead, especially after dying from being tortured to death while suffering heavy blood loss. Are we really supposed to believe this happened because his disciples apparently believed it? If we're going by this metric, then every religion on the planet is simultaneously true, because all of them have people who would lay down their lives from it. But 9/11 is not evidence for the truth of Islam. Is this really what we're going to be using as an excuse to discriminate against LGBTQ+ people who just want to live like anyone else? Who want to be equal to straight and cisgender people, and marry the person they love? I genuinely find it insane to go to "the universe must have had some kind of cause" to "this specific deity which originates from ancient Canaanite polytheism exists and because of that we shouldn't let two women get married to each other".
@@Maksie0 I disagree that we cannot use reason to learn about attributes of a creator. Sufficient evidence would be the Gospel accounts. When I read scripture, there is so much that intertwines between it, such a display of understanding and connection that authors wouldn't have known to connect. Human intelligence could not create such a work over such a vast period of time. Things like the last supper and baptism are prefigured through the exodus story. That would not be possible for us to merely come up with. I've truly experienced such a tremendous amount of wisdom and truth through Scripture and then testing scripture against the world. It makes complete sense and even Greek Philosophers like Plato through reason alone come to similar conclusions. Socrates died because he believed in one God (he didn't know the Lord but reasoned His existence) instead of multiple gods. Also consider that if morality isn't objective, then why do humans all have a similar sense of morality? That speaks to how divine law is written onto our hearts. Consider how motion exists when we know that without an external force nothing can move in itself. There's so much that points to one God and scripture reveals who it is in complete alignment with reason. Woman marrying woman transgresses the nature of marriage as it was created and even by natural reason can be understood as unnatural. It's not how we are created when we were first created and thus its not morally right.
@@tylerdean3489 "Human intelligence could not create such a work over such a vast period of time. Things like the last supper and baptism are prefigured through the exodus story. That would not be possible for us to merely come up with." That's only if you believe all of it literally happened. If you don't, then it's not any more impressive than the sequel of a novel including elements alluded to in the first one. Even if it did take place, don't forget that there would've been a ton of people with religious beliefs who would want to see these "prefigurations" come true. "Also consider that if morality isn't objective, then why do humans all have a similar sense of morality? That speaks to how divine law is written onto our hearts." It's because we're a social species. We thrive when we live and work together with other members of our species, as opposed to some other species that live solitary lives. We observe this in other social species as well, they have unspoken "rules" of behavior that's acceptable and behavior that isn't. "Woman marrying woman transgresses the nature of marriage as it was created and even by natural reason can be understood as unnatural. It's not how we are created when we were first created and thus its not morally right." Marriage is a social construct, something that humans came up with a very long time ago and that has changed throughout human history. The concept of marrying someone because you sincerely love them is actually a relatively new one. In short, marriage is whatever we say marriage is. And I can't think of any rational reason why it wouldn't include two women who love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together. If we're worried about what's "natural", then marriage itself isn't natural, as it doesn't occur in nature.
The issue with this argument is that, a lot of people (believers and non believers alike) don’t understand the difference between love and acceptance. Look at the parable of the prodigal son. We can’t argue that the father doesn’t love his wayward son. He loved his son, he’s been waiting for him by the gate for a long time. But the father wasn’t accepting of the way of life his son was heading towards. Because the father knew it will lead him to destruction. But ultimately the son had to decide that he was heading towards the wrong path, realize who he is as a son of his father, then ask for forgiveness and repent. We all know the rest of the story Like the father, God loves each and every one of us, regardless of what sin we’ve done. But He isn’t accepting of some of the things we are doing. Like every loving father, He is waiting by the gate for us to come back to him in repentance. If you are reading this you are loved. Take the time to know Him and know who you are as His son. And the only way to do that is by reading His word, the Bible. The more you know, the more you rise from the pig pen of sin and come to the open arms of the father.
Well, since he's a curchy boy. I'd assume the type of love god demonstrates when he sends innocent people off to be tortured forever. That's at least three types of love right there...
The first argument makes perfect sense. Do you do everything the Bible says? No of course not. Your a sinner just like everyone else, whether your gay or not. We all do things everyday and say things and think things that are sinful dude. The point is the cross and what Jesus did for us because he knew we were all sinners and would all sin all the time, it is cherry picking to pick out this issue and pick on gay people. When you yourself are a grave sinner like everyone! You don’t have a right to cherry pick other peoples sins, when you sin! Those without sin cast the first stone. Being gay isn’t a sin if it’s something you can’t help, nobody can help that, it’s like telling someone because of their skin color they can’t be Christian, you”re cruel because your asking people to be alone and live a life of celibacy which by the way, celibacy according to the Bible is only for those who desire it, man isn’t meant to be alone, he’s meant to be in a partnership if he so desires. It’s not good for a man to be alone, just because there are two genders it doesn’t mean one can’t love another of the same. Even if it’s wrong hypothetically, so is everyone in some sense! How many people get divorced and remarried what’s that? Adultery! How Many people have sex before marriage, most people. How many people lie everyday? Or are egotistical and prideful all the time? Pretty much everyone I’ve ever known has that problem and are people usually genuinely sorry for those things? My guess is most are not. And God knows our hearts. If someone remarried that’s adultery, are they truly Sorry for that, because if they we”re they probably wouldn’t do it, or if they repent of it, it doesn’t matter if in their heart there not truly sorry for it. And I’m sorry but if they were”re truly sorry for it, they would end it not say sorry but continuing to live their life with that person, still committing adultery. I bring this up because I had someone come at me for being gay, but then left his marriage for someone else and now their remarried to that person but they are sorry for remarrying and committing adultery but are still remarried and doing it lol. I don’t think there that sorry about it. What exactly are you trying to point out? Because being homosexual doesn’t even make the list of the other things I pointed out which are in the Ten Commandments that people do everyday all the time. What, is being gay is a bigger sin than all those things?….I guarantee all of you are guilty of at least one of those and some of you all of them! So what! What’s the point of the cross?…Jesus knew we would all have these sins, that’s why God sent his only son on the cross to do for us, and if we believe in him, we will be saved, the two most important things are to love one another and God, according to the Bible. Spreading this kind of prejudice, you can’t possibly love others when you think so low of them and somehow your above it because your not homosexual. Reflect dude. Your putting way to much enthesis on sin and not enough on your own, and also completely avoiding the fact that we are all sinners and going to sin, no matter what. You believe in Jesus and love him, you will love others and see yourself as them, not better or worse. The only thing that separates you from that, is not believing in Christ. And when you tell gay people they can’t be gay and Christian, what do you think you’re doing? Do you think God is going to be happy that you Made someone feel they aren’t worthy of being a Christian? What makes your sin any less sinful as the homosexual? If you still commit sin your a sinner, no sin is greater than any other. So being straight has nothing to do with it.
“Being gay isn’t a sin if it’s something you can’t help…” That doesn’t justify it. Is wrong still wrong if someone doesn’t know it’s wrong, or can’t stop doing that wrong action? Yes. If a killer couldn’t fight the urge to kill would it just make it okay? No, of course not. Would porn be right if someone couldn’t fight the urge to stop? No. We shouldn’t just erase stuff from the Bible that we don’t like. The bottom line is we all sin everyday, and it’s true that we can’t stop sinning, however, we can at least try to stop and do good in the sight of the lord. And yes it’s true that we will fail. Over and over. But if we keep trying to do right then that is very good and we will be blessed one day in heaven.
And I also want to talk about “and when you tell people they can’t be gay and Christian” Pls hear me out here. Those people are right, you cannot be gay and Christian. If you beleive there’s is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay or trans or bi, etc, and say you have true faith and trust in Gods teachings, then either you did not read the part of same sex attractions, and trying to be the other gender as blasphemy on the eyes of the Lord, or you have read about it and just choose to deny it and do both. So if that second option is true, then you have denied Gods word, you’re faith is not loyal compared to your lgbtq desires and you put your flesh above God, making you not a true Christian. The main thing I’m saying here is that we cannot just deny what we don’t like out of the Bible, and continue to serve God and ignore His word. We either accept all of it or none of it. Thats it.
@@Frostorm777 lol comparing serial killers and porn addiction to someone who is gay isn’t even the same context. Seriously?…simple minded beyond ignorant comment, really.
@@Frostorm777 it’s not gods word it’s man’s. Homosexuality wasn’t even put in the Bible until 1946. Do your research and then will talk. It meant sexual abuse and male prostitution before then, it never meant that until 1946 and when they even tried to have it removed since because they realized they made a mistake. So for centuries it didn’t mean homosexual, that wasn’t the context for centuries, but what, God suddenly changed his mind and had it put in their for less than a hundred years? Your arguement doesn’t hold, because for hundreds and hundreds of years, it never meant that, it’s been in the Bible less than a hundred years dude. God had a problem with lust which is not recognizing someone as a person, but merely an object of desire. Sexual abuse and rape or selling your body has never been okay. But loving someone of the same sex isn’t what he had a problem with. And if you do research marriage between then was between two men! It was between the father of the bride and the man marrying her, the woman didn’t have a say. You speak on this as if you know and I bet you didn’t know any of that. You’re just like most Christian’s who want to judge and criticize when Jesus makes it clear over and over again how WRONG THAT IS! Also we are all sinners, even if being gay was wrong, your cherry picking a sin, a sin that’s not even listed as one of the Ten Commandments. Let me ask you, have you ever lied, cheated, committed adultery? Do you know if you get a divorce and remarry that’s committing adultery. Basically if you divorce, you oughta now be celibate. I had someone tell me I couldn’t be gay and I needed to live a life of celibacy, but he divorced and left his wife for another woman and married her and you know what he said” but it’s fine because I’ve repented of it since” . And I asked him, are you still remarried?… he said” yeah”. I said well then it doesn’t matter if you’ve repented, you are still committing the sin adultery, you’re not really sorry in your heart, or you wouldn’t still be remarried. Then I said if you’ve truly repented, then you should leave her and not ever remarry because if you do your commmiting adultery. He said but I’ve repented, I said oh so say I marry a man, I just need to repent for it and I can still be married to him? He said no. And I said why? You’re still committing adultery. Repetence only matters if you walk the talk. I asked so let me ask you again, you know adultery is listed as one of the Ten Commandments right? He said yes. Then I asked, so now are you going to live a life of celibacy? He said no I don’t want to be alone the rest of my life. I laughed and said, oh really? Yeah that’s a lot to ask of someone isn’t it?? … How about you don’t come at me, with what you think I’m doing wrong, when your a sinner as well, and currently still committing a sin (Adultery) that’s listed under the Ten Commandments, when being gay doesn’t even make the list. Saying I can’t be gay and Christian is ridiculous. I’m a sinner and so are you, how would you like it if I cherry picked you”re sins because just because your straight doesn’t make you any less of a sinner, you obviously don’t understand the point of why Jesus came here for us and died on the cross. None of us can do everything the Bible says right, it’s impossible. We’re all sinners and we will all continue to sin until we die, your putting to much emphasis on sin and being judgemental,(Casting stones) instead of recognizing your own sin, which in your case is Pride and putting yourself in higher regard, because of what, your straight? Lol. Anyone who truly believes in Christ and what he did on the cross is a Christian.
I feel like the church shot itself in the foot with all of these bad experiences and now it has resulted in consequences of the "deconstruction movement."
@@sarahburke1538 even the demons believed, that's not sharing the gospel, if you tell that simply to an unbeliever or someone who hasn't heard of Jesus or doesn't believe him as Messiah, that won't work, it won't make sense, everyone is on a different page for salvation and many souls are going to perish from it
@@NobodyAtAll56 But it doesn’t refute my point. The whole concept of “ gay is sin, bad!!” only works if you even accept and believe in the Christian doctrine in the first place. Which I don’t so…..
@@Doom0728 you haven’t refuted mine. In fact, your point proves my own. You are arguing that homosexuality isn’t wrong, on account of the fact that you reject God. If homosexuality isn’t wrong, then those who practice it have done nothing for which they require forgiveness. Moreover, if God does not judge sin, then no one needs to be forgiven for anything whatsoever. So, you successfully illustrated my point that rather than believing themselves unforgivable, as the woman in the video suggested, homosexuals instead regard themselves as sinless. Thank you for your contribution to the discourse, such as it were.
The LGBTQ Gospel of the world in relation to Jesus is “come as you are leave as you are with your sexual sins being ok” suggests that there is no God or morality at all that should be taught since we are all feee to do whatever we want. The True Gospel message tells us “come as you are and leave better and transformed from encountering Jesus” with Jesus blessing the sinner “go and do not sin again your faith has saved you” while condemning the sin like the woman caught in adultery “I do not condemn you either go and do not sin anymore.”
@@roscowbrown3937The Bible has been proven true already brother. Even atheists and hedonists use the principles found in Proverbs and Ecclesiastes of working hard, having multiple streams of income, and business management to make money and become rich and successful. They deny God and his Word yet prove it true by their actions as they will not stop doing what they are doing to make money and think about it only to protest God and the Word. It goes against their beliefs as why would they deliberately choose poverty and lack of basics to do so?
@@Maksie0 If you took the main point out of my comment, then it could be that I'm that guy. And can you answer my question now, since I answered yours.
God is called god the father for a reason. He loves everyone but he has rules and if you break those rules there's a punishment for it much like how it is for a normal father.
@@Maksie0 Honestly, it gives me chills to think what these people's family lives growing up must have looked like for them to end up thinking that's how it works.
Great video. 1 Corinthians 6:9 really drives home what the sin nature is. I remember what Jesus says, that if you hate someone in your heart, then you are committing murder. If you look at a woman with lust, then you commit adultery. And it's not said self-righteously because Paul says _himself_ that he is the chief of sinners. "Such were some of you" points to the regenerative power of salvation which is a gift from God to make us new and to turn us from wickedness to righteousness. With that said, I do not like when "pastors" ONLY talk about God being a God of love--and this love is their definition of love, not what is actually Godly love. Why do they ignore that God is also a God of judgement? They want to take God and conform Him to their image and thus create a graven image--an idol--that they worship to keep them indulgent in their pride. This is what we are all wanting to do and where many of us say, even those of us professing faith in Jesus Christ--we are actually our own god. This is also pervasive in "conservative" churches as well which just worship an ideology and praise people for being conservative instead of worshipping God, which is the purpose of corporate worship (it's interesting how worshipping an ideology leads to destruction on both sides). I mean, I can say myself that I was in that sin, but Christ saved me, and He gave me the gift of repentance and the gift of salvation and the gift of faith--His work has sanctified me. But what this so-called pastor is saying... this is not of the true God. No, His love is perfect and therefore His judgement is perfect too. He defines love, not you and me. Love is good, not wicked. It cannot have any wickedness in it. Sexual immorality is wickedness. His Word says DO NOT LOVE THE WORLD OR THE THINGS OF THIS WORLD. This "pastor" is unqualified for pushing and preaching that false gospel.
This so irresponsible to tell those who struggle with homosexuality that God loves them as they are and doesn't want to change them. Too many so called Christians are more concerned about fitting in with the world but love of the world is enmity with God.
@@wampuscat1340 We don’t know if it’s God’s eternal truth, but we have no reason to believe it is… also, it’s not their existence, it’s their unlawfulness… that’s kinda like me saying your race is unlawful, just change your race and we’re cool
Instead of saying that homosexuality is sinful, Christians should say it is a self-destructive lifestyle. This would be a much better way to make the argument.
Jesus Said that we will be persecuted, hated, beaten, put in jail and even be put to death for preaching his gospel we must remember we must tell the truth no matter what rather hurt their feelings than see them end up in hell Jesus loves everyone but he does not love or tolerate the sin we are to be the same we must not deny Jesus and the truth before man because “he will deny us in front of the father “ we pray for them love them but we must no matter what tell them it’s a sin and for those that know about spiritual warfare it’s actually a demon of homosexuality which must leave We pray and plant 🌱 the seed and the Holy Spirit will do the rest but again it’s up to the person to repent Amen 🙏
Love the sinner, hate the sin. If you think of sin as anything that is outside of, or contrary to, Gods intended design, then it makes it quite clear. Homos3xuality leads to the d3ath of the species, quite literally. Some might use chimpanzees as an example for why it's not wrong, because it exists in nature. The thing is, we aren't chimps and just because something exists in nature does not mean that our intended design as humans is the same as that thing. We are humans and we know what is right and what is wrong. That's why in our culture where we have gone so far as to quite literally celebrate LGBTQ, it's quite ironic. Because we are celebrating genetic d3ath.
Extremely stupid comment. Gay people have been around for thousands of years and our species hasn't gone extinct. Because, surprise, there's no shortage of straight people. Second, people bring up homosexuality in other species to show that it's natural in response to reactionaries who say that being gay is "unnatural". That's not an argument for why it's moral, but an argument for why it's natural. No one is "celebrating genetic death", that's asinine. We're not in a situation where there's any kind of danger of humanity going extinct because of too few babies being born, the notion that absolutely everyone has to have kids is insane. Not to mention, plenty of gay people do have kids, either through adopting those who don't have anyone else, or through methods like surrogacy or a sperm donor.
@@Falloutplayer99 I'm not a "Christianphobe", I just despise homophobic cultists. Nothing irrational about that, considering the material harm they're causing.
If I'm not misunderstanding your comment, if we understand the difference between Old and New Covenant and there are different types of laws(Ceremonial, Moral law, Judicial/Civil) then it's not an issue. Homosexuality is also stated in the New Testament as a sin, one who lives in a homosexual lifestyle will not inherit the kingdom of God.
As a man who was in the Homosexual lifestyle from 15-40 years old. I finally... submitted my identity to Christ and Christ alone. I called off my engagement with the man I was 4 months away from marrying and I pray to bring many more to know God's love by speaking the TRUTH into their lives and that God made man and woman and we can't change God's design for humanity. God bless y'all and keep standing on God's holy words.
You have the right to make that choice for yourself, but we until we prove God is real, we should never use him as a reason to convince people to leave the people they love
Imagine literally uprooting someone else’s life purely because of religion that tells you “god good!! gay bad!!”
Imagine living your life for an orgasm. Repent and believe the gospel@@Doom0728
Brother only God could have helped you with such a difficult decision. If only I could be that obedient. hallelujah
I pity you. You have fallen for old world fairy tales and decided to deny your own identity based on them. What a sad decision you've taken...
I've seen this video before, before i realized i was bisexual. I relate very much to the girl in the video. However, I really hope that someone who is NOT that catholic priest tells her the real truth: living a homosexual lifestyle is still sin. Having an internal desire for the same sex is born of our sinful nature, and acting on that is giving in to that sin. I struggle with having lustful desires for both men AND women, yet every day I continually submit those struggles to God because He loves me enough to tell me that He'll be there through it all. I hope that others with similar experiences and struggles realize this as well.
Unless we can prove that this God exists, we should never use him as a reason for why it’s wrong to love who you do
@@roscowbrown3937 I personally believe that the Christian God exists. That's enough for me to follow the Bible
@@skrrskrr5386 Is there any particular reason why you believe God exists?
@@roscowbrown3937 well, for me it was an encounter with the Holy Spirit that truly solidified it for me.
@@skrrskrr5386So, I don’t want to burden you by asking you to write paragraphs of that situation, but Could you quickly explain what happened in this encounter? I’m just curious because I myself have never had this kind of experience
Me personally, ima talk to them as a Christian. Just like how I would talk to anyone else. I am a Christian, made in his image. I’m proud and boisterous with my faith. With no disrespect or hate mind you.
OK great then you should have no problem with gay, lesbian bisexual or trans people at all, right?
@@Doom0728 I don't have a problem with the _person_ , no. The problem is the sin.
@@frqubit So you’re saying you have a problem with their sin? Do you mean their sexuality? Are you trying to say that their existence is a problem?
@@Doom0728 yes. I do. But it’s not up to me to judge them. So i try not to. Only God can judge them for their choices just like me.
@@Doom0728 I'm saying their sin is a problem. Why should I define someone only by their sin? You seem confused.
The problem is that people want to use God to make themselves feel good but the Bible says "because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.” Hebrews 12:6
thank goodness you're there to tell people they suck eh? you're the one true christian i bet.
I know I’m not perfect. And there’s probably things I do that God hates. But, despite that. I still want him in my life and hear the truth. And if a pastor is not challenging me to want to be better or make me question, if I’m saved or not, I don’t think the Pastor is doing a good job.
One (of the many) things I don't understand is how so many progressive "Christians" affirm these folks and their behavior, simply because they themselves have an LGBT family member or friend. I don't see how that should make a difference as to whether something is wrong or right, but I've heard of this from people several times.
But there’s nothing genuinely wrong with simply being gay.
@@Doom0728 Please note the words "and behavior" in my post.
No, it’s because there’s nothing actually wrong with it, Why do you affirm straight people’s behavior?
@@roscowbrown3937Because the Bible endorses relationships between men/women in the covenant of marriage.
@@e.m.8094 Wow you should be ashamed. You’re literally dressing up your point as if being gay is somehow a bad behavior. Have some more self-awareness.
I feel like the one thing the man's teaching was lacking was when he said "God loves you as you are," he didn't follow it up with "and he wants you to be better." This way it removes any confusion of whether he means that you're good enough the way you are, or if you're simply loved by God no matter the circumstances
Implying that being straight is "better than" being gay is overt bigotry.
@@Maksie0 Ok. Do you have anything replying to what i said, or are you just saying things?
@@MrStanFungi Is that not the implication of "God wants you to be better" in this context? Please do correct me if I'm wrong.
@@Maksie0 My guy, everybody sins. Sexuality had nothing to do with my comment. The person he was talking to has sins, though I don't know what they are, because she's human. God wants us to leave our sins behind no matter what they might be
He is so scared and timid to offend these cry babies that he can't say the truth. He's a pandering coward.
I love this statement that I saw this on a church marquee once: God loves you just the way you are, but he loves you too much to leave you that way.
First!
This is a watered-down doctrine. He's right about unfair condemnation that ends in people becoming further from God, but he's wrong in affirming this lifestyle. God hung out and ate with the sinners, but he didn't condone them. He forgave them and told them to sin no more. In talking about cherry-picking verses, he's himself cherry-picking.
Well so are you… I’m sure that the Bible says something about (do unto others as you would have then do to you), now How many people have tried to condemn you for who you love or who you’re attracted to, so therefore, you shouldn’t do that to others… otherwise, you’re just cherry-picking
@@roscowbrown3937 I don't understand your point. If I were doing something wrong, I'd want to be corrected. Simple as that.
@@TheStarshipGarage I’m pointing out the hypocrisy in your logic… you’re saying he’s cherry-picking, but if you think that being gay is something that should be discouraged, then you’re also cherry-picking, because you point to the part where the Bible says “gay bad” but ignore the part where it says “do unto others as they would do to you”
@@roscowbrown3937 And I would like somebody to gently but firmly explain to me what I was doing wrong if something I was doing was against the bible.
@@TheStarshipGarageand I feel like I’m doing just that right now… I’m trying to help you recognize that there’s a double-standard when you criticize a fellow Christian for doing something you also do… because if you think that being gay should be condemned, that is cherry-picking
Thank you for making this video with pointers as to how to speak the truth in love to these people. I truly appreciate it. I’ve made a couple videos on it, but it’s been a while. Gods had it on my Heart to do another video on it & I just want to make sure I explain biblical truth correctly yet gently, while also preaching that repentance is 100% necessary not just from this lifestyle but any other lifestyle! I feel more prepared to make a new video on this topic now. Thanks, Brother!
I know its late but I like hearing people share their stories I dont feel so alone on it.
I loved someone and I believed I could be with them celibately and continue to focus on God. But I fought back and forth and I was hurting them that whole time. When I finally broke things off I felt awful they were so kind unconditionally. They couldn’t understand why and I can’t explain. This person is still in my life but they still hurt and struggle and I often fail to help them. And now Im struggling with self hatred that I hurt her and probably pushed them away from God as well, although its not up on that topic.
I have to admit it suck. alot. But im glad I did I just wish I didn’t hurt them.
God, help us to love like you
Yes! God loves everyone and His grace is sufficient to cover all sin.
But being loved by someone and being forgiven by them are two different things.
God doesn't love everyone
We have no way of knowing this is true
False- love and forgiveness are Jesus .we only know those words because we have a savior
@@LuckyEucalyptusTree- We don’t know if he ever really existed
@@roscowbrown3937There is more evidence for Christ's existence than Julius Caesar or Alexander the Great
We have to remember that repentance is something most Christians don’t know how to articulate in a way that is helpful. It’s either used to lord over people or over talk someone. We need to do a better job at listening to others pain, because you’re in a position to provide the gospel in a way they are primed for repentance. But rarely is it used to demonstrate love. All I hear these days is “oh I’m sorry to hear that but the bible says you gotta repent to be saved”. Now is that person actually listening? Is that person really bearing their cross? Or are they too scared to bare their burdens? It’s God’s job to bring them to him, not us. If they repent, it is because they choose to repent. So instead of presenting yourself how great a Christian you are, why not relate and present your brokenness? How you feel about not just the pain you receive from others but how you deserve hell, how you hurt others in the past and what damage you’ve done. But that’s going to require vulnerability. That takes bravery. Now THAT'S bearing a cross. Just like how Paul showed the super apostles, how he boast in his weakness. Learn from him. If you want others to repent, why not show them yourself?
This is such a good point. I think when you lead with how you are also an imperfect sinner just like them and focus on telling them the gospel, it gets the job done a lot more efficiently. Leave it to God to grow the seed you planted.
"Oh, you're gay? I'm a huge piece of shit who deserves eternal torment too!" Do you think that'll land well?
I once had a lesbian coworker who unabashedly lived the lesbian lifestyle. Another coworker who happened to be Christian (don't remember which denomination) unintentionally reminded her of the bad experience she had in church, which brought her to tears. I wasn't bold enough to share my thoughts on the church or her lifestyle, but I did my best to make sure she knew that I (and God) loved her. I even gave her some Subway coupons once, which she was happy about. 😊 I don't know how she's doing now, but I pray for her every day.
You wish that one day she would stop being gay? Why? That’s pretty mean if you ask me…
Inspiring faithfulness in praying for them consistently. ☺️
That’s great. Tho when I hear of people who’ve had “bad experiences at church” I almost cringe, since 90% of the time, it’s used as a copout to make fun of Christians and label us. Which makes them the discriminators. They need to learn that people, whether or not they profess to be Christian, do bad things. It’s not the churches fault, nor is God or Christianity as a whole. There’s so many crooked cops around the world, does that make all cops bad? Im not disregarding their suffering, but I’m just putting this out there. Im so tired of dealing with people who are hateful of us, but they gotta learn. Tough love. I ain’t kissing the world’s arse and dancing around their little feelings. We’re in this together. God bless everyone and stay safe!
I'm glad you kept your reactionary views to yourself
It wasn't easy. 😄
they always tell us to act like Jesus. so read to them matthew 4:17 where he said with his own words REPENT for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
The truth is in the pudding. Our desires and actions that we practice on a regular basis show who our father is. (John 8: 39-47) Granted this may not be evident immediately after conversion. The old man is "passing" away.
The statement about churches is always interesting because the church was not established to coddle people sin, but it was established to turn them away from sin and point them to the cross. So it's always interesting when people say that the church did a bad job. I think the churches doing its job, people just unfortunately misrepresent what the church actually is.
That priest failed at his job. He talked about “love”, but he either neglected or willfully omitted talking about repentance. You need to mention we’ve all sinned, God loved us enough to offer us a way out through Jesus, and we need to repent and place our faith in him for our salvation.
Jesus is full of truth and grace. For us it’s easy to slide off to one side or the other.
He also didn’t talk about the street signs or phone service
@@roscowbrown3937 What relevance does that have?
@@KingNazarunothing, it has no relevance, just like repentance and us being sinners have no relevance to the conversation they were having
@@roscowbrown3937 Wrong. Unlike your comment, us being sinners and needing to repent is relevant. Especially since it’s a priest/pastor’s job to tell us that as it’s part of the Gospel.
The wise will listen and give wisdom when given opportunity. If someone scoffs at you when you rebuke them, have nothing to do with them anymore. This applies to all types of people.
Also, remember what Jesus said about eunuchs. You can apply this message to today. People have been born this way, some are made this way by others, and some are made this way by their own choice.
That's like tying your whole identity to who you murdered, or who you robbed. "I'm a thief," said the ornery man. Though, people do proudly proclaim such things, it's rotten.
Please explain how I have armed anyone by being bisexual.
Perhaps you have only harmed yourself, can't say for sure.
Yes, being gay is just like murdering people, there is no difference whatsoever between these 2 things
and you people act like comparing God to Santa Claus I’d insincere
What a horribly mean and morally repugnant thing to say.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
What a horrible thing to say. You should be ashamed of yourself.
To say "God loves gay people" it is no different than saying, "God loves the sinner."
There is nothing sinful about being gay.
To say “God loves gay people” is like saying “a book says God is real, therefore, it must be true because all books are factual”
John 3:16 God loves everyone.
@@tal8762 Except all of those he burns in hell for not liking him back.
@@WillyPhonken It is a sin.
Amen! Great video!
Why is it always gotta be the same anti-gay stuff?
@@Doom0728 wdym?
@@Doom0728 The reason is because homosexuality is being pushed hard right now. So it's a very hot topic.
@@icecoolguita How is homosexuality being “pushed”?
@@Doom0728 You haven't heard what they're teaching now in elementary schools?
i have to say it's great that the pope has finally pointed out god's error about homosexuality
and okayed gay marriage, nice to see religion finally catching up with real morality, and good
of the religists to admit god was wrong. maybe in a few years it'll l be so watered down religion will
be invisible.
what did they do with the space left by limbo being abolished? ballroom? casino?
Hey this topic is so necessary. Personally its the thing that resonates. But honestly if you ask me, this is a really relevant topic because we all need the answers to this question, specially when you are sitting next to a girl who is a lesbian and you dont know the 'genteel' way to approach her. Honestly its like talking to someone with 'same-sex attraction' requires boundaries and not as easy as it seems. 'Sticky topic' and something worth getting into a conversation about.
Yeah, but here’s the thing though: nobody should have to sit there, and listen to someone tell them how the love they have for someone is sinful and wrong or evil. I don’t have to respect a belief or idea that disrespects my existence.
@@Doom0728Without God you have no real definition of what love is dude, you just have lust. Real love is only found in God.
@@michaeljohnson9817 Nice assumption but you’re wrong. What a meaningless & baseless assertion.
@@Doom0728 I thought everything was baseless and meaningless in atheism 🤣. What’s your objective definition of love then? Love is immaterial, can you scientifically demonstrate love and differentiate it as something different than lust?
@@michaeljohnson9817 You are massively ignorant. Atheism has nothing to do with love, science, or anything else. Atheism is simply not believing in any God or Gods. Do you think this is funny? Cause I assure you it’s not.
Thank you for this video. I think it’s clear in the Bible. God loves everyone, but being fallen sinful beings our inclinations are for behaviours that do not honour God. That is more or less the broad, Christian view. If you’re not a Christian, then I nor any other Christian is meant to judge you, but it does seem strange that you’d find a Christian YT channel and seek to argue with them about their beliefs. Surely there must be a better use of your time.
Not really, Christians want to convince people that being gay is somehow wrong because of a fictional book… and those Christians need a reality check
@@roscowbrown3937No, I don’t. The only one here trying to convince anyone of anything is you. It’s not my job to convince, or judge, anyone who doesn’t believe in the Bible. I hope you have a nice day. 😊
@@YegRon But it is your job as a Christian to convince people. That’s literally what the great commission is. As a Christian, you’re just gonna ignore all that? Then, fundamentally speaking, you cannot be a Christian.
@@Doom0728I’m to go and tell people what Jesus said and did. It’s not my job to convince anyone. The Bible says that that’s God’s work.
As for who I am or am not, I’m quite confident in my identity and don’t require anyone else’s affirmation.
@@YegRon Well then God‘s done a colossally bad job at convincing me then that he’s real. It was almost as if he didn’t exist….
have you ever thought of doing a video on the problems the younger generation faces like gen Z and millennials because this is a big thing right now in society there is of course a lot of hate between the younger and older boomer generation and I can't tell you how many videos I've seen on RUclips about Generation Z say they are the most depressed hopeless generation or they are generation that just gave up a generation without a future
And the church hasn't really done a good job at addressing these kinds of issues especially young men that are being left hopeless and I should know because I'm part of Generation Z and I frankly told God for 2 and a half years I told God I hate living here and living in the generation that I want a way out to have a new life and live somewhere else in human history😅 I can't tell you how many times I poured my heart out to God for that
But maybe it's something you can make a video on an address in a future video
Society sucks. God wants us to tell the truth lovingly, but tough loving. I always say “why do you think people are depressed?” Cuz of a society that murders babies in the womb and sexualizes everything. Sorry that Christians care for real morals🤷♀️
What kind of bugs me about these conversations is how many people arent even base it on an innate proclivity or anything like that. Its just an ingroup thing to many people. Anyone who is non-binary or asexual, I would say falls into this category.
Not wanting to immediately have sex with every person you see does not make you "asexual", it makes you normal.
And not having an interest in relationships at all, that is also perfectly normal.
But if you call yourself "aromatic" and youre fapping to porn every night, then youre just like everyone else in the world.
I digress, point is, a lot of these identities arent even based on something tangible, and yet it utilizes the exact same mentality, how are you supposed to break that down?
Uhh for one it does cuz being asexual or aromantic means you have little to no sexual attraction or romantic attraction just saying bro like 99.99% people have a lot of sexual attraction cuz every species seeks out sex and love cuz that’s how we evolve that’s how we reproduce and etc I’m not saying being asexual is normal but literally that statement you made is kinda false also there’s aromantic ppl that don’t watch porn and they know there aromantic bc they’ve tried it and it doesn’t work out from them
@@cozblaze Yeah no I dont care. There's not some mental issue with that. There's not some *identity* to that. Its just a preference some people have, because "they tried it" whatever that means, and had reservations for whatever reason.
Its a personality thing not an immutable characteristic. Just because it seems like a majority of people are addicted to porn doesnt mean the few people who arent are somehow innately different.
@@Yipper64 for one it is a identity also where are you getting the idea your aromantic bc your a addicted to porn?
I don't know if what I say will be productive honestly, but as a Christian who has wrestled with the sin of homosexuality, maybe I can explain. Honestly, non-binary seems like a cry for attention. With the other ones idk. But with the one in conversation, I was raped by friend at the time, a young man. That then informed the porn I watched. It's not my identity, as a lot of secular voices would like me believe, but we can't overlook the fact that in things involving sex whether that be porn or something else, the two become one. That is why it's incredibly dicey to talk about this stuff. As a Christian you're identity changes. I'm not saying that homosexuality is ok, and we should just let it be. But I'm not just going to say it's an easy sin to overcome.
@@Dean-sm5rt well yeah that's definitely the case and I have my own heterosexual issues in that area myself so that's a good take...
But im talking about asexuality. Which is different.
everyone seems to assume satan is going to be horrid. if i go to hell then GOD
is "punishing me" for my sins, but why would satan want to punish me too? satan despises
christians. if i'm being punished by satan, then satan is doing god's work - that makes zero
sense. hell is more likely to be eternity having more fun than you ever could on earth, this
is what god hates, heaven will just be eternal worship, satan is SAVING you from an eternity
of boredom and slavery. i see no reason why hell wouldn't be a great place to be, no mind
control, no ten commandments to follow, just eternal life that you can probably quit if you
get bored with learning guitar from hendrix or trying to grasp relativity from einstein. why
would hell be undesirable? why would satan want to torment me - he detests god and christians,
not sinners.
Satan is not punishing you, hell is actually created for Satan, Satan will be thrown into hell himself as punishment. We all will have to pay the debt of our sin, either we'll pay it ourselves or we can let it be paid by Jesus on the cross.
I used to be gay. It's tiresome to listen to others tip toe around the topic. If I wasn't told the truth head on, I would have NEVER considered coming to Christ and be freed of that sin and lifestyle. We speak truth for salvation. What? Is it not love to be direct and speak about God in boldness?
We're not called to condemn, but to bless and sharing the gospel is the greatest gift and most pure form of showing love. Why do it halfway? B/c they get offended? And? We weren't given the sword to set it aside. This is spiritual warfare. We don't bend and mold ourselves to them. No! Dark trembles and hides away from light, not the other way around. Glory to God! Amen.
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek." (Romans 1:16).
That’s not possible though. You can’t just stop being gay, that’s impossible. My gay brother was gay ever since he was little, she was also a Christian for years growing up and constantly lied to himself, saying that he was not gay and that he was just “demon possessed” or something. He prayed and prayed and prayed…. and he still was gay at the end of it all. My brother is an atheist now and so am I and I’m glad he finally got past the religious dogma and accepted himself for who he is. His life‘s been better ever since. Remember: there’s a reason conversion therapy is banned…..
@@Doom0728 Who says it's impossible? B/c your brother is still gay, it should then be impossible for me, too? Yeah, alone it's impossible. I know, I've been there. But, I didn't make the change nor the work to be free - that was all God. The glory and honor is His. He did free me, I share no lie. I only clinged to His promise and share my personal experience of it. No hollow hopes, but something real and tangible which is what I sought after. God is real.
I didn't know it was banned. Good! Are you sure? I thought it was legal in some states. I don't condone, support or approve of conversion therapy; in fact, I'm 100% against it. I personally did not go or experience such thing - I never truly believed in it, anyways.
God bless you!
@@Man.of.God30 Bless you too.
I won’t deny that you genuinely have made a change in your sexuality as all I can do is take your word for it but for the most part, and for most people. That’s not possible. Scientifically speaking: All major medical health organizations in the world (APA, NIH,etc) have agreed that sexuality cannot be changed and is in fact harmful to try and do so. Most clinical studies have found that there is no clinical evidence to suggest that sexuality can be altered. So no, gay people for the most part can’t stop being gay. I know you’re religious and that you believe you made a genuine change in yourself (maybe you weren’t gay, just bisexual or pansexual instead and that’s why it was easy for you to make the “change” 🤷)But please know that for the vast majority science says you can’t. All I hope is that you at least accept others as they are as valid.
@@Doom0728 If your trust is in medicine and science, you've come across a field of serious limitations. They can't heal cancer or aids, yet I've heard testimonies of people healed of both through Jesus Christ.
So, it's false when you say they cannot change. As I mentioned, alone it's impossible but you skipped over the part when I said God liberates and transforms. It's not about religion, but faith in Jesus Christ.
So, no, I don't accept the lie that the LGBTQ+ community has to remain as such, unless of course they want to (free will), but thats a conscious choice made. My goal is to share the truth and not to validate falsehood.
Also, why do you try to explain to me my own past? Lol Ask any LGBTQ+ person and they'll explain how concrete their sexuality is. What you say is contradictory.
@@Man.of.God30 Here’s the thing though: I don’t believe in your religion or god. Being gay or even straight for that matter is not a conscious decision or choice that people make. Would you say that straight people are making a choice to be straight? It’s not a lie. It’s been proven scientifically and clinically that you can’t change sexual orientation even if you wanted to. Everything else you said about how “God‘s powerful, and he can heal this or that” is meaningless to me as an atheist.
LGBT is not a lie, they’re not lying when they say they were born that way. My own brother is the same way. He was always attracted to boys so it’s not like I can make or force him to love somebody else that he just doesn’t find attractive. I mean this with all respect but I don’t buy the part where you said that “God heals cancer and aids” as true. It’s 100% possible for someone to undergo spontaneous remission but that doesn’t mean that a God, spirit or deity did that. I’ve seen people pray for their
eyes or limbs to grow back yet that never happens. My own brother tried to ‘pray the gay away’ so that didn’t work.
I was not being contradictory, I already acknowledged that LGBT people say how concrete their sexuality is which is why I’m arguing that orientation cannot be changed like you think it can.
Knowing what the Bible says does not necessarily change the way I would talk to them. Unless they ask me for my beliefs I'm not obligated to tell them. I think there is a place and time to speak this but it doesn't have to be shoved in someone's face all the time.
Preach!
Funny, I never find the questions from the Alphabet Mafia difficult at all.
1. We're all sinners with sinful sexual desires.
2. God hates the sin of heterosexual Fornication as much as he hates homosexual Fornication.
3. God had a specific plan for sexual intercourse as between 1 man and 1 woman in marriage. His plan for sexual intercourse is specifically for marriage (1 man & 1 woman) to both strengthen their bond as a unit, as well as procreation.
Prove it.
@Maksie0 I'm driving right now but which part would you like proven?
@@templehillsfunk That a deity actually does or did any of that.
@@Maksie0 OH! So, you question whether God exists?
@@templehillsfunk Ultimately, there's no argument you can give for why it's supposedly "immoral" to be LGBTQ+ that doesn't just boil down to "book says no". Without this irrational belief in a deity whose wishes have been perfecly transcribed into this particular version of this book, there's nothing there.
Umm okay, I don't think of my orientation as a core part of my identity because it barely crosses my mind. I imagine it's the same for you and most straight people, until you're attracted to someone. Let me put it this way, we wouldn't feel the need to even talk about it or promote being LGBTQ as an identity worthy of societal protections if it wasn't vilified by Christians and used as a political talking point to restrict our rights in society for centuries. Separation of church and state reduces hate. But also, we're allowed freedom of speech. Get over it.
The guy is in the closet and that's how he deals with it
I honestly feel like he’s just a con-artist who’s fully aware that what he’s saying is BS, but he gets paid for this nonsense so, this is essentially what selling your soul to the devil looks like 😈
We are to see homosexuality as any other sin such as lying,theft etc. And thereby treat a homosexual as you will treat a liar with the leading of the RUACH HA-KODESH (Holy Spirit).
not until we prove the Bible is true
@NickGagnon942 I would say being gay is worse, but sin is sin either way.
@@Man.of.God30 Why are you against gay people then?
@@Doom0728 What do you mean? From experience, they're usually against me.
As an example, I went to get a tailored suit for a family wedding. The man attending the shop was obviously gay, but I didn't throw a book at his face. He's expertise was most helpful and I left happily with a well tailored suit. B/c I firmly stand against his lifestyle and ideology, doesn't mean I am against him as a person. Sin is sin, as I mentioned above.
I won't stop confessing the truth and sharing the gospel, but I don't treat people with less value. I dislike it, of course. I'm against it, 100%. Do I believe it's a sin as explained in the Bible, YES! But, I can speak and interact with them without seeing them as lesser people. That doesn't change the fact that they're rowning in sin.
@@Man.of.God30 Not everybody is religious like you. From most stories I’ve heard, they must had a good reason to be against you. And to be honest: I don’t buy your story. Not saying that what happened is false but only your thoughts on the matter. You sound no different from when I have to deal with JW‘s who also say that they don’t necessarily hate the person who is gay, they say they only hate “gay conduct” (whatever TF that means). And what part of being gay is it that you don’t like? Loving each other? Holding hands? Kissing? Cuddling? Marriage? Gay sex? Literally even daring to have that attraction at all?
These kinds of beliefs blur the line so tell me exactly what, how and why you don’t like about the fact that others are gay. (and I don’t wanna hear: “cause gawd says so!” Or “it’s a sin”!)
I have a question have any of you struggle financially during a time of your life or have gone a long time being employed because I'm going through that right now I've been unemployed for a few months and I hate it
I'm autistic and I live with my parents which I hate I did have a job before but honestly should have never took it didn't pay pay well and it was a waste of time for me and I'm really at this point where I have nothing I really want God to help me get out of this position I'm in with my life
How much were you being paid?
What made the job not work for you?
What do you expect out of a job?
I have been unemployed for years after graduating college. I had so much difficulty with interviews at that time. The economy was in a recession. But, I also had a hard time realizing I was on the spectrum. I didn’t find out until adulthood. I was dependent on family. But, by the grace of God, I found work and I now have a steady job helping others.
There is nothing wrong with you. It is difficult for us non nuero-typicals to navigate the world.
As someone who has wrestled with this and currently getting better, it's an uphill battle. I gew up in the church and I wonder why I'm any different than anyone else with this sin. There's definitely a shifting from what you think your identity is given that you're born again. It's really tough to see other's lose the fight, and honestly feel like the worst person to win them over. But I can tell other's what it's like and what to do. At the end of the day, no one is born with a sex drive, and a think abuse plays a part in it. I think that there's an internal aspect, sort of a perceived deficiency. I'm not going to be able to give a solution to every situation, but I think those are main issues you can chip away at. The biggest lie that is hard to tackle head on is that you're attractions can't change. I've actually experienced attraction to the opposite sex surprisingly which is really encouraging.
Well said. I’ve seen it first hand in a close friend. Praying for you brother.
There's nothing wrong with being gay whatsoever. Nor is there with being bi, which sounds like what's happening in your case.
Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-12 would say differently my friend. If you're a professing believer, I would have you look at the other passages mentioned in this video and just listen to the other side. If you're not a believer, I wouls say you need the Gospel. Keep watching Isaac's videos and maybe one day it will make sense.
It's all spiritual, which many people (including some Christians) don't seem to understand.
I was once gay, but I was delivered out of it. It's not an easy road when you're fighting against something that alters the mind, changes feelings, and dictates the emotions. The road is even harder in this hypersexual, lustful society.
I was not raised in the Christian faith, but came to Jesus Christ later in life. After living my sinful life, I desperately wanted an out from the torment. Thankfully, I came to be in a Church with a Pastor that IS right with God and came to know the truth and learn and grow. It took some time for me to be cleaned, because of the years in the sin but God fulfilled His work in me. I speak no lies when I say that in my heart I no longer have an attraction to other men. Transformation is possible, through Jesus Christ. Alone, it's impossible - I know, I've been there. But, God CAN liberate! Glory to God! God bless you.
This is God's perfect timing!! I had just had a conversation with a member of the LGBT community about this and was scared that I was "too harsh" despite being loving in my wording. This video gave me confirmation and confidence at the perfect time; I need to stand firm in the word of God on his judgment while pointing to his love and the cross. Thank you Jesus!!
Wow, so nice that you now have the courage to be a homophobic bigot.
I have a hard time getting along with lgbtq people because of how pushy they get and I have a history of a bad temper and being violent but I try as a Christian to put my temper aside and pray for these people.
Yeah, it’s hard to respect people when they do nothing but mock and belittle you. Even non Christians call out on this woke bullcrap propaganda. These times are evil, from pornos trafficking minors, kids being involved into sexual orientation, pedophilia trying to be included in lgbtq etc it’s disgusting. These people should watch “woke cringe” videos and see how awful they really are. #LeaveChristiansalone
@@SBNRBornagainno you get mocked because you made yourself a clown. you’re one of those conspiracy theory nut jobs who was radicalized by facebook or something
@user-dg6qn4si1h You want respect, then you give respect. Something ya'll never do.
It always saddens me when Christian’s become so obsessed with other peoples sin that they totally forget that sanctification takes a lot of time and is a process most Christian’s will have to struggle with most of their lives, just like Paus so often described. He who probably was the christian who had been the most successful in truly carrying his cross and crucifying his flesh still at the end of his life spoke about his hopes of being able to win the race and truly become one with Christ. Sanctification is what helps us banish more and more sin from our lives as we more and more manage to give up our Adams nature. And that is our works that we learn to do more and more the more we get to know Christ. And grow in our relationship.
Salvation however is a grace. A gift from God to ALL who in their heart begin to believe that Jesus exists and that he died for our sins, all of our sins. Past present and future so as we could be saved and through him gain right standing before God. This is Gods plan to make sure that every human being he created with the utmost love and care is given a chance to become saved. God doesn’t create people that he hopes will be forever damned. Therefore what the first preacher said in your clip of self proclaimed no nos is actually correct. God loves all people he created also the people the world has managed to turn into sexuality that is not in alignment with his plan or his Word. One have to as a Christian be able to differentiate between sin and love. God loves people, all people. But hates sin, as God knows where the sin comes from. Most people who do not know God or Jesus don’t. And God wants every person who the world has plagued with sin to get saved with the same grace as he loves and wants all other people who also sin to get saved. To God all sin (except a very select few among which homosexuality is NOT a part) is equally bad. This means saying that God doesn’t love people who identify as lbtq is also a sin. And just like for people who identify as lbtq but become saved but doesn’t manage to abstain immediately from that salvation and Christ as our saviour and advocate before God will help them. Just as Christ will stay your saviour also when you sin and say that God does not love all people He has created. A sin is a sin is a sin! And it is through growing and maturing in spirit that we from the point of first being saved by grace will get so much more saved through our work with identifying all the little nooks and crevices in our lives and souls who still harbour sin that we more and more become more and more free also from committing sin in our lives. But it is a process. And what so many Christian’s do wrong to our neighbours these days. And that certainly also count for people who in the world has identified as lbtq when we make them believe that what they do in our eyes are the only sin that has to be abstained from immediately. And that they somehow should be different from all people I have ever known to identify as being saved. Who definitely not any one of them has ever managed to live our a completely sin free day even in their lives. As we are still all sinners. Just like brother Paul said about himself too. The difference is that when you become a Christian you become a saved sinner. And the differences is incredibly important to God. As He wants to save all his children. And wants all people he created with the love and carefulness that he counted every hair on our head to be able to return to him. And He made the Plan possible that through faith in what Jesus did for us all on the cross and through expressing our love for God and our will to become reunited with him we will be saved. Once we are saved a new journey begins through which God gets to work on us through the Holy Spirit and our choice in how fast we manage to grow in spirit our flesh and our soul can become more and more crucified. But it will take time. Which is why it is called a walk with Christ. We learn, and grow in spirit. And through that we choose to let go of more and more of the things the world is fighting and challenging us with. And people who have had the misfortune of being challenged with sexual orientations that are not of Gods plan will have a tougher struggle than most people. But Jesus sees that. And he is in control. And he helps us let go of more and more of the world as we learn and grow from our walk with him.
But when we as Christians make people identifying as lbtq believe that God doesn’t love them or that their sin is so much worse than the blocks of wood we keep in our eyes and when we begin to differentiate sin from some kind of hierarchy stand point - then we also sin. And if you as a Christian hold on to such points of views and enjoy the feeling of telling yourself that lbtq people are more sinful than you are - and never manage to figure out that too is a sin. Then you might also one day be among the people Jesus will tell to go away as in his eyes he never knew you… We are called to love God and love all things he created. And that means also loving thy neighbour. And anyone who addresses us if so be it with the smallest of interest or even the toughest of questions about our faith we should be careful with how we behave. As most likely God is touching them and he is sending them our way in hopes that we will be helpful in showing the true and loving nature of God through our behaviours towards our neighbour. As He wants them too to get saved. Not condemned or disillusioned or growing a feeling that God will never love them unless they are perfect and sin free from the beginning… or that their sin is worse than yours and mine who are saved. But still do sin… which we all do… And God still chooses to save us with his infinite grace and love for his creation. But just like we when we are saved are a work in progress. So must life also be for people who identify as lbtq. And repentance and moving away from our sinful nature is a lifelong process where very few as far as the Bible tells has been able to fully become so evolved and mature that they become completely aligned and united with Christ also in soul and flesh. And we need to be mindful of that.
In essence we need to help all people who seek Christ to get saved. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit will take care of the relationship with the saved person. And we can either help them by showing them love though how we behave among the people God sends our way or how we talk about them and how we talk about sin. And how we work with our own flesh and our own impure souls. We can also easily destroy Gods will by making people think that what they do and whatever sins they commit somehow are worse than yours and mine… I do believe that God does not look too kindly on Christian’s who indulge in the latter… I have seen many people from lbtq who become saved and who walk gloriously with Christ and grow in spirit and some of them abandon their lifestyle though time. While others struggle and live with the consequences just as we do when we sin. But they still have a relationship with God and Jesus. And I pray for them and wish them success in running their race towards the goal of becoming fully one with Christ. Just as I pray for all people who struggle to crucify their flesh and deal with their daily struggles of the soul vs the spirit and the Word. In essence what Christian’s need to learn to do more. And an area most of us fall into sin so often from - is our truly poor ability to love one another. And respect the struggle of one another. Instead so many thrive in the works of judging one another even though we all should know only one has the right to judge… and it is not us… Therefore share love to the people who struggle and God wants to save. Offer the good news and let then Jesus take care of the rest. He is so much better at it than all of us together. ❣️
As a gay man, it would be great if you guys just wouldn't talk to us at all.
0:27 Romans 1:26-27 as well
Question, why is this sin called an abomination to God and others are not? Could it be because it is demoniclly inspiard through porn and other sexual sins that are against the body? We are made in Gods image and when we distort that image dose that then become an abomination? Making it a very serious sin?
no, porn does not cause demonic inspiration, we have no reason to believe this
God man man for woman and woman for man, for man to be with man is and would be a sin against God
@@roscowbrown3937Porn is 100% demonic because it insults God’s gift to us of sex by stripping away it's value as something cheap and meaningless like stupid hookups. Sex is a beautiful soul bonding ritual where a husband and wife merge together by becoming one in flesh, spirit, minds, and hearts. Also God said to be fruitful and multiply. The devil has blasphemed God by perverting everything God made by making it evil like porn, rape and etc. I can't wait for the day porn gets abolished.
@Quint-ib4nfSatan lied to you when he said that. There's alot of things he lied to you about.
Yes!
I was gay . My motivation was never fear...God showed me my identity is not my sex... God says also don't judge anyone by flesh but after spirit...people who walk in any sin HAVE seen a great light. It's only through love an realization of who God is that sets free. Fear an Judgement increases sin awareness...love exposes truth
you don’t even sound like a person anymore. just a mouthpiece for religious propaganda.
they brainwashed you so hard
I have felt that way, like I’ve been “accepted” as she says. But that was AFTER I was at my lowest, AFTER I hated my sin, AFTER I repented…God called me out of my sin so I could be accepted, He did not accept me in it.
The best thing to do is just pray for them.
pray for yourself. you said you were violent. that’s a real problem, other people being qu33r isn’t something you need to worry about
@user-dg6qn4si1h I do. So mind your own business.
I pray for everything and everybody. Don't like it? Cope. @user-dg6qn4si1h
The bible does not condemn homosexuality,it condemns anal sex and for your information gay marriage has a much lower divorce rate than heterosexual marriage,however I've fell in love with both men and women but if I get married I want to do it because I am in love and not because it's sinful or not.
If that were the case then why did Paul also condemn lesbian relationships?
@@ElDrPeste Romans 1:26 talks about bad relationships and lack of consentment.
Gay marriage has a lower divorce rate because there are less homosexuals that heterosexuals in the world.
Also Leviticus18:22, 20:13 If a man lies with a man as with a woman they both have committed abomination
I would love to see those statistics, as I have actually heard it is the opposite, almost all same-sex marriages end in divorce? Since biblical marriage is meant to be between one man and one woman, and sex outside of that constellation is sin, to me living that lifestyle is clearly sin. I myself lived like that before, so I have an understanding of how people can feel, but that is no excuse.
@@hampusboman7143 In the Netherlands, first country to legalize same sex marriage , the divorce rate for opposite sex couples is around 60%, gay male marriage marriage around 7% and lesbians around 15%, most statistics can confirm than lesbians have higher divorce rate than gay men in ALL countries wher same sex marriage has been legalized, but they still have slightly lower divorce rate than heterosexual couples.
How can you have such a huge grin on your face as you throw bible verses out like thats the end of the convo. Being a Theology student I'm aware things are so much more complicated than we're taught in church. People try and make things black and white but they're really not! I don't personally identify with LGBTQ. But I see the trauma friends who do have been put through by the church. Is church purity and elitism so much more important than making people feel welcome? Is this really what Jesus would do? And why do we who don't have these inclinations believe we're better and that it must be unnatural because we don't personally understand.
I some of what he said is right because we are suppose to love them but sadly some Christians do spread hate towards members of the lgbt and you find them on RUclips. I mean there are Christian’s that say slurs while preaching the gospel like sayin the F slur or the R word while preaching the gospel and you can find them sayin it on RUclips
It’s sad that the lgbt community and people like me that have a disability gets hateful slurs from some Christians and that even includes preachers while preaching the gospel.
I would say you have founf a lot of not christians who call themselves christians. The point of reference is never other christians, it's the Word of God.
'By their fruits you will know them'
No Christian is perfect but there are some things that you can use to avoid the pretenders
I think the daily disciple would probably benefit from trying a gay relationship, and the deep connection of two men in love. It's difficult for heterosexuals to understand love, as they are simply programmed to procreate.
I mean, people can still believe what they want, what I still don't think is ok, to have punishments for lgbtq people or killing them. Of course, people are free to judge others, but they still should be aware that they can also get judged from people who have nothing to do with their religion and still have a legitimate opinion. We live in democratic countries with a lot of people who have different opinions, lifestyles, and religions. We have to accept that other opinions can live next to our peacefully, because we aren't alone in this world. Of course, when people ask you why, do you think this is not right? You should explain because it's God's word, but you should never judge somebody for how they live, like: oh I'm much better than this person, I do much more right...You also do things wrong you also sin so it's not nice to think I'm better than you so I have the right to tell you how you should live. More like I bring up some ideas I'll inform you what I read but in a respectful way and accept when people don't want to follow you. They will be sooner or later on the Last Judgement and you too. Just keep that in mind, God bless you all🙏
If we can’t prove the Bible is true, then it doesn’t matter what it says, we shouldn’t believe every book written… so if somebody uses a book to claim that something is wrong when it does no harm, that person is factually wrong
Some things I want to clarify: that representation by whatever clergy said that is NOT the teaching of the Catholic Church and I'm not sure if that is a Catholic priest. Catholics believe that:
1) Man is created in God's image and likeness and God loves all people as his creation, but you are only made a Child of God through adoption through Baptism.
2) Sin is a transgression against the way that God created us. Male and Female he created us. Since the bible clearly outlines how God created them and reveals divine law that marriage is between one man and one woman, transgressing that is painful to God and painful to ourselves since we are created to be united to God in loving relationship.
3) God is a God of mercy and out of love for us, forgives the multitude of transgressions we make against Him. He also pours His grace over us and enables us to live out lives that better reflect His glory and fulfil his initial design. Sin disorders us and stops our will from being made perfect and united to His, but His grace alone can change that.
In conclusion, the first point that God loves the person is true but it's not the fullness of truth. God loves us too much to let us stay sinful and gives us the grace necessary to no longer be sinful. Sinfulness is objective since God's Divine Law outlines what is sinful. The Church is Christ's bride and the living Body through which the Holy Spirit flows. It's by no means perfect but it absolutely is a beautiful, sacred, holy and divine body that strives for knowing God in the fullness of truth and representing it faithfully.
I really don't have any reason to worry about what's "painful to god" until this god is demonstrated to exist. Until then, there's absolutely no rational reason to think that there'd be anything wrong with gay marriage. Let's leave these irrational religious beliefs behind already.
@@Maksie0 I will lay out here why I believe there is a God and why I believe it is the most rational explanation of our existence. What ultimately caused it to exist? We are within time and since time is separate from eternity, so we come into being at some point in time. If you point it to the big bang, than time began at that point. If the universe was infinite in time, then it would have been an infinite amount of time from the beginning to us and it is impossible to traverse an infinite amount of time. So then, there must be a moment where we come into being. If we come into being, then there must be a cause for that. We accept as the law of conservation of matter that matter cannot be created or destroyed, only converted (and potentially converted to energy). Then how are we here? If the universe came into being, it is not natural for it to come into being out of nothing. Therefore, there must be a force outside of nature that caused the world as we know it to exist. There is sufficient reason to believe that God exists and is necessary for our existence, and once you understand that then looking to Jesus Christ through the Gospels gives the most rational understanding of who God is. Jesus Christ rose from the dead and there is sufficient evidence to believe it. The disciples weren't dumb and they laid down their lives because they witnessed the one true God, Jesus Christ.
@@tylerdean3489 You've claiming to have a lot of conclusive answers to big questions that we currently have no real way of knowing, like whether the universe had a "beginning point", in order to arrive at the conclusion that some outside force has to exist. The logical answer to all of these would be "I don't know", not "a god did this". I also would very much disagree that we have sufficient evidence to believe that a person "rose from the dead" after several days of being dead, especially after dying from being tortured to death while suffering heavy blood loss. Are we really supposed to believe this happened because his disciples apparently believed it? If we're going by this metric, then every religion on the planet is simultaneously true, because all of them have people who would lay down their lives from it. But 9/11 is not evidence for the truth of Islam.
Is this really what we're going to be using as an excuse to discriminate against LGBTQ+ people who just want to live like anyone else? Who want to be equal to straight and cisgender people, and marry the person they love? I genuinely find it insane to go to "the universe must have had some kind of cause" to "this specific deity which originates from ancient Canaanite polytheism exists and because of that we shouldn't let two women get married to each other".
@@Maksie0 I disagree that we cannot use reason to learn about attributes of a creator. Sufficient evidence would be the Gospel accounts. When I read scripture, there is so much that intertwines between it, such a display of understanding and connection that authors wouldn't have known to connect. Human intelligence could not create such a work over such a vast period of time. Things like the last supper and baptism are prefigured through the exodus story. That would not be possible for us to merely come up with. I've truly experienced such a tremendous amount of wisdom and truth through Scripture and then testing scripture against the world. It makes complete sense and even Greek Philosophers like Plato through reason alone come to similar conclusions. Socrates died because he believed in one God (he didn't know the Lord but reasoned His existence) instead of multiple gods. Also consider that if morality isn't objective, then why do humans all have a similar sense of morality? That speaks to how divine law is written onto our hearts. Consider how motion exists when we know that without an external force nothing can move in itself. There's so much that points to one God and scripture reveals who it is in complete alignment with reason. Woman marrying woman transgresses the nature of marriage as it was created and even by natural reason can be understood as unnatural. It's not how we are created when we were first created and thus its not morally right.
@@tylerdean3489 "Human intelligence could not create such a work over such a vast period of time. Things like the last supper and baptism are prefigured through the exodus story. That would not be possible for us to merely come up with."
That's only if you believe all of it literally happened. If you don't, then it's not any more impressive than the sequel of a novel including elements alluded to in the first one. Even if it did take place, don't forget that there would've been a ton of people with religious beliefs who would want to see these "prefigurations" come true.
"Also consider that if morality isn't objective, then why do humans all have a similar sense of morality? That speaks to how divine law is written onto our hearts."
It's because we're a social species. We thrive when we live and work together with other members of our species, as opposed to some other species that live solitary lives. We observe this in other social species as well, they have unspoken "rules" of behavior that's acceptable and behavior that isn't.
"Woman marrying woman transgresses the nature of marriage as it was created and even by natural reason can be understood as unnatural. It's not how we are created when we were first created and thus its not morally right."
Marriage is a social construct, something that humans came up with a very long time ago and that has changed throughout human history. The concept of marrying someone because you sincerely love them is actually a relatively new one. In short, marriage is whatever we say marriage is. And I can't think of any rational reason why it wouldn't include two women who love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together. If we're worried about what's "natural", then marriage itself isn't natural, as it doesn't occur in nature.
The issue with this argument is that, a lot of people (believers and non believers alike) don’t understand the difference between love and acceptance. Look at the parable of the prodigal son. We can’t argue that the father doesn’t love his wayward son. He loved his son, he’s been waiting for him by the gate for a long time. But the father wasn’t accepting of the way of life his son was heading towards. Because the father knew it will lead him to destruction. But ultimately the son had to decide that he was heading towards the wrong path, realize who he is as a son of his father, then ask for forgiveness and repent. We all know the rest of the story
Like the father, God loves each and every one of us, regardless of what sin we’ve done. But He isn’t accepting of some of the things we are doing. Like every loving father, He is waiting by the gate for us to come back to him in repentance. If you are reading this you are loved. Take the time to know Him and know who you are as His son. And the only way to do that is by reading His word, the Bible. The more you know, the more you rise from the pig pen of sin and come to the open arms of the father.
Your comment is just homophobic bigotry wrapped in the paper-thin veil of "Christian love", that rips at the slightest tug.
Which of the four types of love is this guy referring to? 🤷
Well, since he's a curchy boy. I'd assume the type of love god demonstrates when he sends innocent people off to be tortured forever. That's at least three types of love right there...
The first argument makes perfect sense. Do you do everything the Bible says? No of course not. Your a sinner just like everyone else, whether your gay or not. We all do things everyday and say things and think things that are sinful dude. The point is the cross and what Jesus did for us because he knew we were all sinners and would all sin all the time, it is cherry picking to pick out this issue and pick on gay people. When you yourself are a grave sinner like everyone!
You don’t have a right to cherry pick other peoples sins, when you sin! Those without sin cast the first stone. Being gay isn’t a sin if it’s something you can’t help, nobody can help that, it’s like telling someone because of their skin color they can’t be Christian, you”re cruel because your asking people to be alone and live a life of celibacy which by the way, celibacy according to the Bible is only for those who desire it, man isn’t meant to be alone, he’s meant to be in a partnership if he so desires. It’s not good for a man to be alone, just because there are two genders it doesn’t mean one can’t love another of the same. Even if it’s wrong hypothetically, so is everyone in some sense! How many people get divorced and remarried what’s that? Adultery! How
Many people have sex before marriage, most people. How many people lie everyday? Or are egotistical and prideful all the time? Pretty much everyone I’ve ever known has that problem and are people usually genuinely sorry for those things? My guess is most are not. And God knows our hearts.
If someone remarried that’s adultery, are they truly
Sorry for that, because if they we”re they probably wouldn’t do it, or if they repent of it, it doesn’t matter if in their heart there not truly sorry for it. And I’m sorry but if they were”re truly sorry for it, they would end it not say sorry but continuing to live their life with that person, still committing adultery. I bring this up because I had someone come at me for being gay, but then left his marriage for someone else and now their remarried to that person but they are sorry for remarrying and committing adultery but are still remarried and doing it lol. I don’t think there that sorry about it.
What exactly are you trying to point out? Because being homosexual doesn’t even make the list of the other things I pointed out which are in the Ten Commandments that people do everyday all the time. What, is being gay is a bigger sin than all those things?….I guarantee all of you are guilty of at least one of those and some of you all of them! So what! What’s the point of the cross?…Jesus knew we would all have these sins, that’s why God sent his only son on the cross to do for us, and if we believe in him, we will be saved, the two most important things are to love one another and God, according to the Bible. Spreading this kind of prejudice, you can’t possibly love others when you think so low of them and somehow your above it because your not homosexual. Reflect dude. Your putting way to much enthesis on sin and not enough on your own, and also completely avoiding the fact that we are all sinners and going to sin, no matter what.
You believe in Jesus and love him, you will love others and see yourself as them, not better or worse. The only thing that separates you from that, is not believing in Christ. And when you tell gay people they can’t be gay and Christian, what do you think you’re doing? Do you think God is going to be happy that you
Made someone feel they aren’t worthy of being a Christian? What makes your sin any less sinful as the homosexual? If you still commit sin your a sinner, no sin is greater than any other. So being straight has nothing to do with it.
“Being gay isn’t a sin if it’s something you can’t help…”
That doesn’t justify it.
Is wrong still wrong if someone doesn’t know it’s wrong, or can’t stop doing that wrong action? Yes. If a killer couldn’t fight the urge to kill would it just make it okay? No, of course not. Would porn be right if someone couldn’t fight the urge to stop? No. We shouldn’t just erase stuff from the Bible that we don’t like.
The bottom line is we all sin everyday, and it’s true that we can’t stop sinning, however, we can at least try to stop and do good in the sight of the lord. And yes it’s true that we will fail. Over and over. But if we keep trying to do right then that is very good and we will be blessed one day in heaven.
And I also want to talk about “and when you tell people they can’t be gay and Christian”
Pls hear me out here.
Those people are right, you cannot be gay and Christian.
If you beleive there’s is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay or trans or bi, etc, and say you have true faith and trust in Gods teachings, then either you did not read the part of same sex attractions, and trying to be the other gender as blasphemy on the eyes of the Lord, or you have read about it and just choose to deny it and do both.
So if that second option is true, then you have denied Gods word, you’re faith is not loyal compared to your lgbtq desires and you put your flesh above God, making you not a true Christian.
The main thing I’m saying here is that we cannot just deny what we don’t like out of the Bible, and continue to serve God and ignore His word. We either accept all of it or none of it. Thats it.
@Frostorm777 Being gay isn't wrong though.
@@Frostorm777 lol comparing serial killers and porn addiction to someone who is gay isn’t even the same context. Seriously?…simple minded beyond ignorant comment, really.
@@Frostorm777 it’s not gods word it’s man’s. Homosexuality wasn’t even put in the Bible until 1946. Do your research and then will talk. It meant sexual abuse and male prostitution before then, it never meant that until 1946 and when they even tried to have it removed since because they realized they made a mistake. So for centuries it didn’t mean homosexual, that wasn’t the context for centuries, but what, God suddenly changed his mind and had it put in their for less than a hundred years? Your arguement doesn’t hold, because for hundreds and hundreds of years, it never meant that, it’s been in the Bible less than a hundred years dude. God had a problem with lust which is not recognizing someone as a person, but merely an object of desire. Sexual abuse and rape or selling your body has never been okay.
But loving someone of the same sex isn’t what he had a problem with. And if you do research marriage between then was between two men! It was between the father of the bride and the man marrying her, the woman didn’t have a say.
You speak on this as if you know and I bet you didn’t know any of that. You’re just like most Christian’s who want to judge and criticize when Jesus makes it clear over and over again how WRONG THAT IS! Also we are all sinners, even if being gay was wrong, your cherry picking a sin, a sin that’s not even listed as one of the Ten Commandments. Let me ask you, have you ever lied, cheated, committed adultery? Do you know if you get a divorce and remarry that’s committing adultery.
Basically if you divorce, you oughta now be celibate. I had someone tell me I couldn’t be gay and I needed to live a life of celibacy, but he divorced and left his wife for another woman and married her and you know what he said” but it’s fine because I’ve repented of it since” . And I asked him, are you still remarried?… he said” yeah”. I said well then it doesn’t matter if you’ve repented, you are still committing the sin adultery, you’re not really sorry in your heart, or you wouldn’t still be remarried.
Then I said if you’ve truly repented, then you should leave her and not ever remarry because if you do your commmiting adultery. He said but I’ve repented, I said oh so say I marry a man, I just need to repent for it and I can still be married to him? He said no. And I said why? You’re still committing adultery. Repetence only matters if you walk the talk. I asked so let me ask you again, you know adultery is listed as one of the Ten Commandments right? He said yes. Then I asked, so now are you going to live a life of celibacy? He said no I don’t want to be alone the rest of my life. I laughed and said, oh really? Yeah that’s a lot to ask of someone isn’t it?? …
How about you don’t come at me, with what you think I’m doing wrong, when your a sinner as well, and currently still committing a sin (Adultery) that’s listed under the Ten Commandments, when being gay doesn’t even make the list.
Saying I can’t be gay and Christian is ridiculous. I’m a sinner and so are you, how would you like it if I cherry picked you”re sins because just because your straight doesn’t make you any less of a sinner, you obviously don’t understand the point of why Jesus came here for us and died on the cross. None of us can do everything the Bible says right, it’s impossible. We’re all sinners and we will all continue to sin until we die, your putting to much emphasis on sin and being judgemental,(Casting stones) instead of recognizing your own sin, which in your case is Pride and putting yourself in higher regard, because of what, your straight? Lol. Anyone who truly believes in Christ and what he did on the cross is a Christian.
I feel like the church shot itself in the foot with all of these bad experiences and now it has resulted in consequences of the "deconstruction movement."
So how would you say someone is saved?
When they stop being religious
Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved!
@@sarahburke1538 even the demons believed, that's not sharing the gospel, if you tell that simply to an unbeliever or someone who hasn't heard of Jesus or doesn't believe him as Messiah, that won't work, it won't make sense, everyone is on a different page for salvation and many souls are going to perish from it
@@sweetvictory3100 we are saved by Grace alone through faith ALONE.
@@sarahburke1538 right, that's my understanding, one must hear the gospel, then believe it and receive it
Do homosexuals really believe they are unforgivable, or do they believe they have done nothing for which they need to be forgiven?
Neither. That only works if you accept the god premise in first place. Being gay isn’t wrong.
@@Doom0728 that’s not neither, that’s the latter
@@NobodyAtAll56 But it doesn’t refute my point. The whole concept of “ gay is sin, bad!!” only works if you even accept and believe in the Christian doctrine in the first place. Which I don’t so…..
@@Doom0728 you haven’t refuted mine. In fact, your point proves my own. You are arguing that homosexuality isn’t wrong, on account of the fact that you reject God. If homosexuality isn’t wrong, then those who practice it have done nothing for which they require forgiveness. Moreover, if God does not judge sin, then no one needs to be forgiven for anything whatsoever. So, you successfully illustrated my point that rather than believing themselves unforgivable, as the woman in the video suggested, homosexuals instead regard themselves as sinless. Thank you for your contribution to the discourse, such as it were.
@@Doom0728 Yes it is, stop lying. That devil will lead you into a pit if you continue to listen to his lies. Don't let the devil bully you.
The LGBTQ Gospel of the world in relation to Jesus is “come as you are leave as you are with your sexual sins being ok” suggests that there is no God or morality at all that should be taught since we are all feee to do whatever we want.
The True Gospel message tells us “come as you are and leave better and transformed from encountering Jesus” with Jesus blessing the sinner “go and do not sin again your faith has saved you” while condemning the sin like the woman caught in adultery “I do not condemn you either go and do not sin anymore.”
The notion that being LGBTQ+ is "worse" than not being LGBTQ+ is bigotry in its purest form.
It doesn’t suggest that there is no morality and it doesn’t compare to adultery, we gotta prove the Bible is true before we live by it
@@roscowbrown3937The Bible has been proven true already brother. Even atheists and hedonists use the principles found in Proverbs and Ecclesiastes of working hard, having multiple streams of income, and business management to make money and become rich and successful. They deny God and his Word yet prove it true by their actions as they will not stop doing what they are doing to make money and think about it only to protest God and the Word. It goes against their beliefs as why would they deliberately choose poverty and lack of basics to do so?
There is a big difference between "being gay" and "homosexual acts". So what are they talking about?
Oh hey, weren't you that guy advocating for bullying your child?
@@Maksie0 If you took the main point out of my comment, then it could be that I'm that guy.
And can you answer my question now, since I answered yours.
@@EdDrow Says the guy who’s literally subscribed to Ken Ham😂
@@Doom0728 What does Ken Ham has to do with my question?
@@EdDrowyou can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
God is called god the father for a reason. He loves everyone but he has rules and if you break those rules there's a punishment for it much like how it is for a normal father.
If a father tortured their child for being gay, he'd go to fucking prison.
@@Maksie0 Honestly, it gives me chills to think what these people's family lives growing up must have looked like for them to end up thinking that's how it works.
Great video. 1 Corinthians 6:9 really drives home what the sin nature is.
I remember what Jesus says, that if you hate someone in your heart, then you are committing murder. If you look at a woman with lust, then you commit adultery. And it's not said self-righteously because Paul says _himself_ that he is the chief of sinners. "Such were some of you" points to the regenerative power of salvation which is a gift from God to make us new and to turn us from wickedness to righteousness.
With that said, I do not like when "pastors" ONLY talk about God being a God of love--and this love is their definition of love, not what is actually Godly love. Why do they ignore that God is also a God of judgement? They want to take God and conform Him to their image and thus create a graven image--an idol--that they worship to keep them indulgent in their pride. This is what we are all wanting to do and where many of us say, even those of us professing faith in Jesus Christ--we are actually our own god. This is also pervasive in "conservative" churches as well which just worship an ideology and praise people for being conservative instead of worshipping God, which is the purpose of corporate worship (it's interesting how worshipping an ideology leads to destruction on both sides). I mean, I can say myself that I was in that sin, but Christ saved me, and He gave me the gift of repentance and the gift of salvation and the gift of faith--His work has sanctified me.
But what this so-called pastor is saying... this is not of the true God. No, His love is perfect and therefore His judgement is perfect too. He defines love, not you and me. Love is good, not wicked. It cannot have any wickedness in it. Sexual immorality is wickedness. His Word says DO NOT LOVE THE WORLD OR THE THINGS OF THIS WORLD. This "pastor" is unqualified for pushing and preaching that false gospel.
This so irresponsible to tell those who struggle with homosexuality that God loves them as they are and doesn't want to change them. Too many so called Christians are more concerned about fitting in with the world but love of the world is enmity with God.
It is so irresponsible to suggests somebody’s existence is bad because of your storybook
Not existence, lawlessness. Not MY storybook, God's eternal truth.
@@wampuscat1340 We don’t know if it’s God’s eternal truth, but we have no reason to believe it is… also, it’s not their existence, it’s their unlawfulness… that’s kinda like me saying your race is unlawful, just change your race and we’re cool
@@wampuscat1340 you’re saying their existence is lawless, which is bigotry… and we have no reason to believe the book is God’s eternal word
@@roscowbrown3937 wow you convinced me. God isn't real and love is love.
Instead of saying that homosexuality is sinful, Christians should say it is a self-destructive lifestyle. This would be a much better way to make the argument.
I’m not sure that’s true… I mean, if the Bible calls it a sin, then we can’t change what it says, but there’s nothing destructive about being gay
Jesus Said that we will be persecuted, hated, beaten, put in jail and even be put to death for preaching his gospel we must remember we must tell the truth no matter what rather hurt their feelings than see them end up in hell Jesus loves everyone but he does not love or tolerate the sin we are to be the same we must not deny Jesus and the truth before man because “he will deny us in front of the father “ we pray for them love them but we must no matter what tell them it’s a sin and for those that know about spiritual warfare it’s actually a demon of homosexuality which must leave We pray and plant 🌱 the seed and the Holy Spirit will do the rest but again it’s up to the person to repent Amen 🙏
The seed is more of a fungal spore if anything.
Love the sinner, hate the sin.
If you think of sin as anything that is outside of, or contrary to, Gods intended design, then it makes it quite clear. Homos3xuality leads to the d3ath of the species, quite literally.
Some might use chimpanzees as an example for why it's not wrong, because it exists in nature. The thing is, we aren't chimps and just because something exists in nature does not mean that our intended design as humans is the same as that thing. We are humans and we know what is right and what is wrong.
That's why in our culture where we have gone so far as to quite literally celebrate LGBTQ, it's quite ironic. Because we are celebrating genetic d3ath.
Extremely stupid comment. Gay people have been around for thousands of years and our species hasn't gone extinct. Because, surprise, there's no shortage of straight people. Second, people bring up homosexuality in other species to show that it's natural in response to reactionaries who say that being gay is "unnatural". That's not an argument for why it's moral, but an argument for why it's natural.
No one is "celebrating genetic death", that's asinine. We're not in a situation where there's any kind of danger of humanity going extinct because of too few babies being born, the notion that absolutely everyone has to have kids is insane. Not to mention, plenty of gay people do have kids, either through adopting those who don't have anyone else, or through methods like surrogacy or a sperm donor.
@@Maksie0Reported for harassment
@@Falloutplayer99 Was I too mean to the homophobe? Aw.
@@Maksie0 Just trying to get rid of the Christianphobes and trolls.
@@Falloutplayer99 I'm not a "Christianphobe", I just despise homophobic cultists. Nothing irrational about that, considering the material harm they're causing.
I don't think you want to start quoting Leviticus ... have you read it??????? Everyone would be in big trouble.
If I'm not misunderstanding your comment, if we understand the difference between Old and New Covenant and there are different types of laws(Ceremonial, Moral law, Judicial/Civil) then it's not an issue.
Homosexuality is also stated in the New Testament as a sin, one who lives in a homosexual lifestyle will not inherit the kingdom of God.