@@sterlingwestonok so you’re saying you prefer the end product of miles to the end product of snarky puppy. Nobody was talking about comparing types of music or bands or even “good” vs “bad” music, it was literally just that all the audience hears of the mix is the end result and it doesn’t matter how you get there
Lol me as a guitarist in my first years recording and suddenly got a Noise Gate and thought it killed all my dynamics :D Now I can't even play at home without proper Noise Gates in my chain. Sounds killer. The techies in the studios know their stuff and now I listen.
@@genghistozo413 so basically, from my understanding a clipper “clips” out higher & harsher frequencies as well as trimming sounds to keep everything more leveled
Soft clipping is a sound design at the end of the day, the more gain you push into the soft clipper depends how much saturation you want on your overall mix.
why Rick Rubin? I was thinking it would the digital format? I don't know shit about production though, just watched a couple videos here and there that go over my head.
“No one cares about dynamics” ?? They… absolutely do though? Maybe not in whatever pop music you’re involved in producing. Dynamic range is an incredibly important part of musical expression. Professional musicians train for years to be able to use dynamics effectively. Have you never stopped to think that maybe the reason so many people are telling you they care about dynamic range is… that they care about dynamic range? I know, wild idea. Whew.
Gain staging is really only useful on hardware mixing. With the software we have nowadays it's not necessary and just adds complication one of the most difficult to understand stages of production
Imo gain staging is just made into some magical science that it truly isnt. We overlook the fact mixing is an art form, not a static formula. Gain staging should really just be thought of as balancing. If I was mixing my song whether i chose to mix to -3db, or -18db, it doesnt really matter in the end but that is still considered "gain staging". We should really just be saying balancing lol
If you set your kick to one level, and decide to place your bass at another level, you've just performed 1 small fraction of gain staging your song. That's all. Its not over complicated or hard to understand at all. Everyone just has guru complex at times in these areas. Who knows, dont take it from me. Take it from a proffessional, like Bobby Torres of frightbox recordings, or Joey Sturgis Tones etc...
I use frequencies in the scale to add volume and saturate the mix after that. If you use a multiband for this you could get even louder without effecting the dbs
I just turn down all my tracks and turn up the speakers until I hear the noise floor. Then I turn the speakers down and bump the tracks back up just a bit.
I think that's it's kind of a dunning kreuger effect for music making and the only reason why I know is that I can't figure out how to use clippers yet but still think my mixes are (clear and) loud as shit anyway
Can someone explain to me why you would use a clipper vs a limiter for this? I use limiters because you have a release control and all the clippers I’ve seen don’t have any way of controlling the release (dynamics) of the sound. I swear when I see people use clippers they always use a transient shaper afterwards to attenuate the transient smear and it just seems like ‘why not use a limiter at this point?’ That is when they were built for haha
I have the strongest hate for any songs that have a any distortion due bad mixing or recording. I listen to heavy music but man only the guitar is to be distorted. Only perfectly clean distortion
Clipping away the inaudible microtransients can sure be nice, especially to get an even overall peak loudness for the non-linear processes after, but people still be out here putting a Soft-Clipper on the master, creating a wall of sound because I guess headroom doesn't matter if you physically can't go over 0. Learn how to properly mix first, then familiarise yourself with clippers, what they do, and why you'd want to use them on what.
Man I can get shit to -4 lufs without a clipper but it can come in handy tho for really peaky snares and 808s that eat up headroom so many people overdo it tho
@@eros6421 instead of slamming into your limiter use parallel compression to bring the sustain up can give you crazy volume. Also frequency balance is huge. Too much low end will eat up your headroom
Spotify is gonna turn down that mix with too many dynamics. But guys, keep in mind we’re making music that need to sound good for the genre, not for spotify. The day spotify is dead, your music will die with it.
I will say the the excessive clipping in PHONK drives me nuts. Its okay to clip, but like... do it with intent and purpose and make sure your only clipping what you want.
Audio gets loud when you make music. If audio gets too loud, data from the waveform is cut off, resulting in it not being able to be played back, resulting in nasty distorted sounds on speakers. Soft clipping cuts it off for you before it actually gets too loud and gives it the impression it's louder. Making it loud while giving you more "room" to work with before it's considered too loud. Think of like if you cut off the waveform with scissors (distorted, awful clipping sound) vs shaved them off a little instead (warmer distortion, sounds nice and loud, without getting nasty) Hope that made some sense. I tried to short form it without glancing over the point.
Don't take advice from anyone "mixing" with those headphones. They are absolutely dogshit for mixing, and for tracking, for pretty much anything. (I had them for years)
@@mixwithjerry stroke me ego? You sure you know what that means? I was just pointing out the objectives fact that those headphones are crap and any self respecting sound engineer wouldn't be caught dead wearing them. You could've just answered "ahah yeah I know, I was just wearing them for the skit" or even better, ignoring me. But nop, you had to show everyone one you are butthurt about a simple comment on your video. Talking about ego, check yours buddy.
if more people learned how to clip & compress properly in the earlier stages of the mix, they wouldn't have to brickwall their master bus all the time
How do you do this? I wanna know.
@@montgomeryhaines2087 clip your kick and snare -3 db with a clipping plugin. Use proper compression attack and release. youre welcome
@@montgomeryhaines2087push the clipper till it distorts.. then back it off
@@PainfuelProductions thank you 😎
@@chefdusse appreciate it. 😎
that’s the thing about music, doesn’t matter how you do it all that matters is the final product
@@sterlingwestonWhat's wrong with Snarky Puppy?
@@sterlingwestonok so you’re saying you prefer the end product of miles to the end product of snarky puppy. Nobody was talking about comparing types of music or bands or even “good” vs “bad” music, it was literally just that all the audience hears of the mix is the end result and it doesn’t matter how you get there
You would have a point if the final product wasn’t a direct result of how you do it.
Yeah but all modern musicians seem to follow the same premise: as loud as possible all the time without any rich dynamic range
@@hendrik6156 tru, but if it gets your mom a crib i don’t see any issues
Personally, I just clip all my recordings with a mic that's way too hot and then delete the whole project
Real pro
😂😂😂😂😂
Way too real
lmao
all went wrong the moment you let him sit in whilst you mixed the track 😂😂😂
actually if they they there and they like it then they buy it then its all money ill make the track so you like it lol
"i just want it to be loud"
"Bro you ruining my dynamics"
As someone who loves expressive and dynamic music but also loves sound-wall pop, this is forever my struggle when mixing 😂
He gave me the Lamar-roasting-Franklin vibes at the end 😂
if you got rid of that yee yee ass VST you'd get some clients on your list
@@Cheezus 😂😂😂
Lol me as a guitarist in my first years recording and suddenly got a Noise Gate and thought it killed all my dynamics :D
Now I can't even play at home without proper Noise Gates in my chain. Sounds killer. The techies in the studios know their stuff and now I listen.
why did you parse that so submissively? "erm i sit and i listen. i say 'yes sir!' with a smile." like nigga simmer down it aint an s&m bar in here
It’s because they don’t experiment enough with the clipper to know it can be very very useful
Clippers can sound way better then compressors
@@henri-fillipbauer6579 truth I think they go well together usually but I agree with you on that
what is a clipper?
@@genghistozo413 so basically, from my understanding a clipper “clips” out higher & harsher frequencies as well as trimming sounds to keep everything more leveled
@@genghistozo413 you can do lots with a clipper though just depends on how you use it
I know they make some very experimental music but they're great, I love clipping
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Its fine as long as you dont get that snap crackle pop distortion with it
Soft clipping is a sound design at the end of the day, the more gain you push into the soft clipper depends how much saturation you want on your overall mix.
If you ain't redlining, you ain't headlining!
L2 limiter on the master comment was a personal attack
"no one cares about dynamics"
thank you very much, rick rubin. that's what you've done
why Rick Rubin? I was thinking it would the digital format? I don't know shit about production though, just watched a couple videos here and there that go over my head.
@@dharmapunk777 I'm just joking about loudness war and how Rick Rubin was one of the people who made extremely saturated mixes the new norm
@@hinkali_v_chetverg What rubin albums are these
@@barneyrubble8255 most famously, death magnetic by metallica
@@barneyrubble8255 pretty much the majority of his rock/metal releases from the late 90s and onwards
This is why I never explain nothing about what I do to nobody. No discussion. About nothing. Do you like the result? Yes. Good. End of story.
same dude
Ironically a tape recorder is the ultimate clipper
You gotta know the rules to know when and why to break them.
I use multistage clipping on every track, and my shits so damn loud i cross my fingers every time i do a car test lol
Lmao
“If you aint clippin, you trippin” 100%
Wow this was spot I mean super spot on 😂😂😂
"nobody cares about dynamics anymore"
bruh
"You're destroying my dynamics!" That's what she said.😂
“Thanks for letting me sit in while you mix my song.” (Proceeds to put headphones on so client can’t hear him mix)
Lol this post alone is why I subbed to you
This was the most oddly specific sketch I ever seen. Didn't understand anything but enjoyed it
that desk i love it , where can i find that studio desk?
Lmao “it’s destroying my dynamics”
“No one cares about dynamics”
?? They… absolutely do though? Maybe not in whatever pop music you’re involved in producing. Dynamic range is an incredibly important part of musical expression. Professional musicians train for years to be able to use dynamics effectively. Have you never stopped to think that maybe the reason so many people are telling you they care about dynamic range is… that they care about dynamic range? I know, wild idea. Whew.
@@yoosh9034 It’s just a skit
@@mixwithjerry A skit you made because you don’t believe this. Ok brother. Yikes
It's just a joke bro@@yoosh9034
@@yoosh9034i think it was a joke. A play on the fact that it wont change the dynamics in the way he thinks it does.
Sarcasm.
/woosh
Over the years, I’ve learned that only a db or two, in series, can make a world of difference for mixing.
I really wish I understood a lick of what you’re saying in this video. What DAW are we even working in?? 😭😭
You don’t have to gain stage all the time, it just depends on the instrument or sample itself, compression and limiting is also a form a gain staging.
Gain staging is really only useful on hardware mixing. With the software we have nowadays it's not necessary and just adds complication one of the most difficult to understand stages of production
Imo gain staging is just made into some magical science that it truly isnt. We overlook the fact mixing is an art form, not a static formula. Gain staging should really just be thought of as balancing. If I was mixing my song whether i chose to mix to -3db, or -18db, it doesnt really matter in the end but that is still considered "gain staging". We should really just be saying balancing lol
If you set your kick to one level, and decide to place your bass at another level, you've just performed 1 small fraction of gain staging your song. That's all. Its not over complicated or hard to understand at all. Everyone just has guru complex at times in these areas. Who knows, dont take it from me. Take it from a proffessional, like Bobby Torres of frightbox recordings, or Joey Sturgis Tones etc...
Say that to your limiter waiting at the end to round off your unnecessary high level peaks.
Bullshit, lots of plugins work differently at different input levels.
While your comment is true when it comes to keeping noise low, many plugins react to different input levels so I would have to say it still matters.
You're distorting my dynamics 😂
He said “destroying.” You heard “distorting.” Irony
I use frequencies in the scale to add volume and saturate the mix after that. If you use a multiband for this you could get even louder without effecting the dbs
Always use a clipper before the compressor so the compressor doesn’t trigger for every little peak but is consistent
Damn I felt that whole thing
That Spotify Bit hit right at home
I just turn down all my tracks and turn up the speakers until I hear the noise floor. Then I turn the speakers down and bump the tracks back up just a bit.
Just use the Zykon Limiter - safer and louder than cipping. Nobody knows this thing but it's crazy good
Hey yo I love your channel lol
This is hilarious man 🤣🤣
Bro had this conversation once in his life and decided to make a video about it.
Not hating, I like it.
Just don’t let them get to you man
As an artist and an engineer, accurate lmao
"artist"
clipping is part of my sound at this point
If you ain’t clipping you tripping 😂 I ❤️ Gclip
bro said "watch these clips"
The l2 on the master 😭😭
nobody cares about dynamics, anymore? That's a good thing?
that's how you know he is dumb
mostly it is a joke -.-
at first i thought you were talking about clipping the rapper lol (the guy from Hamilton)
Received dynamics are overlooked that’s why some pros can get to 0 lufs and sound clear and punchy.
if you aint redlining, you aint headlining
I make dubstep. And when a bass sound is going over 0db I just slap on a soft clipper.
BOOM! Subtle harmonic saturation and loudness. xD
I'm a dummy.
I mix up to 8 dB on waves and never have issue with distortion. It peaks red on RME but it sounds clean and sweet
"Its just a matter of opinion"
Les claypool
if you ain't clippin, you're trippin is the new headlining redlining 👨🍳👌
1 db on kick, 1 db on mix bus, 1 db of clipino g on master bus then using 2 limiters in a row, of course the dynamic will be destroyed
Nobody ever had that interaction
I think that's it's kind of a dunning kreuger effect for music making and the only reason why I know is that I can't figure out how to use clippers yet but still think my mixes are (clear and) loud as shit anyway
😂😂😂that L2 is go to for real
Clipper on EVERYTHING? I'm not sure about that
This is gold
Clippers clutch for sure. But i feel width gets lost with clipping, and it's very hard to add back without phasing
You don’t have to clip everything in your mix
ever tried to clip R and L channels independently
Clipping is goated
some dubstep producers casually hitting -2 lufs lol
lock in them headphone wires my boy... lmao
Spotify do be turning down your mix 😂
bro you should do mixing classes 🙏
I love the skit. Do you actually teach this stuff? I tried learning but everyone keeps saying I need super expensive stuff to mix.
"Nobody cares about dynamics"... smh
Even the dude who made l2 got interviewed saying the way it was used was disappointing
🎉🎉agree brooo👍
They hate it cuz they watched a RUclips video that told them it's bad.
I mean, what's the difference between clipping and limiting very hard and fast at the same level.
Are you talking about throwing a clipper on the stereo output ?
yoo what headphones are u using to mix?
I clip the master, fully
Can someone explain to me why you would use a clipper vs a limiter for this? I use limiters because you have a release control and all the clippers I’ve seen don’t have any way of controlling the release (dynamics) of the sound. I swear when I see people use clippers they always use a transient shaper afterwards to attenuate the transient smear and it just seems like ‘why not use a limiter at this point?’ That is when they were built for haha
I have the strongest hate for any songs that have a any distortion due bad mixing or recording. I listen to heavy music but man only the guitar is to be distorted. Only perfectly clean distortion
Well, I care a lot about dynamics in my music 😅 Not everyone wants their stuff to be as loud as possible.
Clipping away the inaudible microtransients can sure be nice, especially to get an even overall peak loudness for the non-linear processes after, but people still be out here putting a Soft-Clipper on the master, creating a wall of sound because I guess headroom doesn't matter if you physically can't go over 0.
Learn how to properly mix first, then familiarise yourself with clippers, what they do, and why you'd want to use them on what.
i just do it manually with fades
Man I can get shit to -4 lufs without a clipper but it can come in handy tho for really peaky snares and 808s that eat up headroom so many people overdo it tho
@@shaferproducergod Yeah definitely not the only approach for loudness, but a good tool in the arsenal.
@@mixwithjerry thank you for the content broo love your channel 💙‼️
how yo shit must distort like crazy
@@eros6421 No im talking clean! Thats why I avoid clippers if I can thats what gives you the audible distortion
@@eros6421 instead of slamming into your limiter use parallel compression to bring the sustain up can give you crazy volume. Also frequency balance is huge. Too much low end will eat up your headroom
Kids stuck at the peak of dunning Kruger effect is why I stopped mastering for randos
people don't like clipping? it's my go to methods for loudness when making beats, and it's always on my master before Pro-L2
nerdiest argument i've ever heard
My music some how turns out good without compressing, clipping or limiting..but to be fair im still new to mastering
What DAW are you using?
Spotify is gonna turn down that mix with too many dynamics. But guys, keep in mind we’re making music that need to sound good for the genre, not for spotify. The day spotify is dead, your music will die with it.
Lol if you ain't clipping you tripping 😂
Sportiy is going to turn down my mix anyway ! 😭😂
The cable on the headphones is not locked 😔
I will say the the excessive clipping in PHONK drives me nuts. Its okay to clip, but like... do it with intent and purpose and make sure your only clipping what you want.
L2 or L 2 ?
that sounds so cool!
I don't understand anything they're talking about in this skit
Audio gets loud when you make music. If audio gets too loud, data from the waveform is cut off, resulting in it not being able to be played back, resulting in nasty distorted sounds on speakers.
Soft clipping cuts it off for you before it actually gets too loud and gives it the impression it's louder. Making it loud while giving you more "room" to work with before it's considered too loud.
Think of like if you cut off the waveform with scissors (distorted, awful clipping sound) vs shaved them off a little instead (warmer distortion, sounds nice and loud, without getting nasty)
Hope that made some sense. I tried to short form it without glancing over the point.
Spotify will in fact turn down your mix anyway 😂
Don't take advice from anyone "mixing" with those headphones. They are absolutely dogshit for mixing, and for tracking, for pretty much anything. (I had them for years)
It’s just a skit lol.. the headphones are essentially a prop so no need to stroke your ego about that
@@mixwithjerry stroke me ego? You sure you know what that means? I was just pointing out the objectives fact that those headphones are crap and any self respecting sound engineer wouldn't be caught dead wearing them.
You could've just answered "ahah yeah I know, I was just wearing them for the skit" or even better, ignoring me. But nop, you had to show everyone one you are butthurt about a simple comment on your video.
Talking about ego, check yours buddy.
Don't take advice from someone who judges people based on the gear they use instead of their actual mixes 🤡
@@TakeHit0 Fair enough.
1dB npcs vs dynamic npcs
damn i never thought of using a clipper on a kick and now i feel like a 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Ok bet. L2 it is! 😂😂😂
I want my waveform to be fucking squares
i've gotten my songs at 3 lufs before lmao