Hawk S5 is actually way better than you think. The reason why Kenny did so good against Hawk was because Hawk was mostly using Miyagi Do only during the fight, then when he said he was gonna unleash the Hawk, he meant that he was gonna use both styles now cause he knows that he shouldnt fool around with Kenny anymore but Kenny caught him off-guard with the silver bullet. About Kyler, Hawk didnt become weaker. Kyler simply got stronger. Let me remind you that Kyler got training while Hawk didnt train since season 4 (due to Miyagi Do closing) so he didnt really get that much better than how he was in season 4 but imo, Season 5 is Hawk's prime
@@Dinetioneditz123 Kenny overpowers Kyler and it was stated by terry silver that Kenny has more potential than Miguel Diaz, Keene and Hawk. The same terry silver that was there during the season 4 tournament and the same terry silver that would body hawk easily.
people say that hawk only won in season 4 bc robby was distracted but they forget that robby was litterally saved by the timer which wouldnt have happened in a street fight
Completely wrong reasoning. Why compare street fight with points challenge. Both were fighting to score a point, not to knock out, if it was a street fight they would have played it differently. Hawk was about to score point to Robby before the time end only because he took it from the Gi not because he actually put it down something Robby completely didn't expect. I don't even know why that was a valid thing.
@@Warriorytbchannel okay but still the video was about who is the better fighter. and honestly if it wasnt just to make the show interesting hawk wouldve gotten that point before the time ran out so it was just made for suspence.
What I hate about cobra kai fans, is when they saw s3 hawk, yes I know, Kreese was training with him and Robby didnt do any training. BUT S3 HAWK IS SO OVERRATED THAT THEY THINK THATS HIS PRIME, "O-O-Oh b-b-b-but h-he killed Brucks and he was trained by Kreese" Yet Robby was legit in Prison, was struggling against Shawn and then found out how to defeat him and etc. S2 Miguel is also overrated
For me S1 Robby mid diff S2 Robby mid diff S3 hawk High-Ext depending on what he's wearing ngl cuz he won't be as agile as he was in s4 cuz he had a gi S4 could go either way S5 robby mid-high diff
S3 Robby slams Hawk easily, because Robby beat Shawn and his two friends and Hawk with Rickenberger slamed by Sam. Come on, no matter how much skilled was Sam in S3, she wouldn't stay a chance against Shawn, but Hawk had more feats this season, but Robby used his Miyagi-Do skills as ofence only when Kreese just told him to do it and Hawk saved Demetri and beated Cobra Kai's that had Chris and Bert skills. So yeah, Robby slams, prison boy
Season 3: Hawk was training for 3 months while Robby was thinking abt life, keeping the connections with the people he cares abt and simply cant just magically get stronger Just by learning a philosophy+since S4 Hawk has either equal or slightly worse offense as his S3 self with S4 Hawks offense carrying him to win high-extreme diff against a Rigged ref(didnt get a warning by elbowing Hawks kick)+Rage/And or No Mercy amp+Saved by SuddenD.O.T+headstart bc M.D only= if Robby didnt have any of those advantages he would get low diffed by S4Hawk and since robbys defense is basically S2Robbys defense bc theres no way he has better defense+we have not feats implying that+S4Robbys defense might be even Worse considering its been 3+ months since he had any practice with it. That would mean Overall S3Hawk Low-Mid diffs S2 Robby.
you realize that i’m S3 episode 9 after the statement said about Hawk, Krease says that Robby was exactly what CK was looking for and it was implied that he was looking for a champion and in S4 they were mixing styles not just using one
Season 1: Robby wins Mid Diff Season 2: Robby wins Low Diff Season 3: Robby wins High-Extreme Diff Season 4: Eli wins High-Extreme Diff Season 5: Robby wins Mid-High Diff
Facts but S5 is Extreme Diff because Robby didn’t continue his training unti episode 7 and that also applies to Hawk, and they were very relative in S4 so I wouldn’t see S5 being much different.
@@Bokesyck How much KJ calculated on Demetri sending Hawk through a trophy case? And also does the KJ calculation change on Demetri sending Hawk through a trophy case and Johnny breaking a sign, since S2 Miguel AP feat was above those two feats before it’s debunked?
My Opinion (for Street Fights) (Season 1: Robby Wins Mid-High Diff if Focused and Balanced, but Hawk wins High-Extreme Diff if not) (Season 2: No doubt about it Robby wins Mid Diff) (Season 3: Robby Wins High Diff Mid-Season Season 3 end of Season: Robby Wins High-Extreme Diff (Season 4: Extremely Debatable so you don’t have to agree but Robby Extreme Diff) (Season 5: No doubt in my opinion Robby wins High Diff) Anyways that is my opinion so there it is 😁 This is just my opinion btw so don’t criticize I think that Hawk can be underrated and overrated at times.
well about kenny distracting robby, the scene was slowed so it was at best a 0.5 second distraction, meaning hawk recovered immediately anyway with his kick, so robby wouldnt even have the time to punch hawk cuz of his quick reaction
Season 1:Robby Mid-High diff Season 2:Robby High diff Season 3:Hawk Extreme diff Season 4:Hawk Extreme diff Season 5:Robby Extreme Diff (Yes Robby has better feats but their stated as being at the same level.)
@@poppyedits69 Robby’s sb feat is endurance not dura lmao, but Hawk doesn’t really beat him in any important categories, Robby throws Kyler and Kenny aside whereas Hawk struggles, and he can eat hits AFTER sb which was durability, Hawk gets murked really badly s2 coyote creek style
@@Bokesyck Hawk struggles but he's also been able to throw around Kyler and Kenny. Kenny at the water park and Kyler at the beginning of their fight. So Robby doing the same thing really isn't that big a deal. Hawk also beats Robby in Experience (Although that one really doesn't matter in CK) IQ BIQ speed agility skill (Debateable but I think he should take it simply because he has more training) and Offense
S3: robby slams You stated that eli put robby on defense, making this s3 hawk vs s2 robby, in which hawk folds obviously, yet robby was able to hold his own. Also, explain why when kreese was talking to hawk about a new champion, he went to tory straight away.
alright pokery scaling ahh mf S3 Robby is still a beginner at offense so if he used it hawk would still outclass him in that category whether it’s off or def Robby, he didn’t hold his own that well don’t wank him. You’re commenting on an old ass video when I’ve changed my scaling so I don’t use this statement anymore lmao, but it doesn’t apply to anyone because first he said it to hawk, then Tory, then Robby, so it’s just invalid, doesn’t change the fact he called Robby extra strength
For it's Season 1 Robby Low-Extreme diff ( for me Hawk S1 is massivly underrated and did can to win VS Robby in the tournament) Season 2 Robby Low-high diff (Hawk S2 didn't do bigs feats after the season 1 in the season 2) Season 3 Hawk High diff (for me Robby S3 is a little overrated and the feats of Hawk in the season 3 after the season 2 are underrated) Season 4 Hawk Extreme diff (Hawk S4 did very won the tournament and VS cobra kai He was surprised ) Season 5 Robby Low-high diff (Hawk S5 is overrated. Kenny was better overall in the season 5 ) Overall Hawk have a better prime but Robby is a better fighter overall. Overall, He win Low-Extreme diff In my opinion 😊
The reason why in season 4 of the tornament why robby's punch didn't affect hawk is because in the tornament your goal is to score a point, not physically hurt your oppenent. So robby might hav not been using all of his power in his punches and kicks like most fighters would cuz you probably wouldn't need to in a tornament. With that tho, i agree that hawk was superior in S4. Also S3, kreese did state that robby is what cobra kai was looking for thus implying that kreese believes robby is the male champ cobra kai was needing.
SEASON 1 ROBBY LOW MID DIFF SEASON 2 ROBBY MID DIFF SEASON 3 HAWK HIGH DIFF SEASON 4 HAWK HIGH _ EXSTREAM DIFF SEASON 5 EQUAL BRUH HAWK DID NOT WIN AGAINST KENNY BECAUSE THE REFF WAS PAID HAWK WAS NOT ALLOWED DO ILLEAGALL MOVES BUT KENNY WAS KENNY HAD PLOT ARMOUR SO YEAH HAWK DESTROYS KENNY
Hawk wasn’t trying this is Eli fighting not hawk and Eli is much weaker than hawk Eli is more of defense where hawk is more of offense so if Robby and hawk went full out against each other it could go either way tbh
IMO Robby season 4 if he didn’t get distracted he would’ve scored he point and the claim that Robby got saved by the bell is irrelevant because the bell is apart of the tournament so tournament wise no distractions or disadvantages Robby would win and also Hawk was struggling with Miguel and I know Hawk was only using miyagi do but Miguel was only using eagle fang so they were both using one style and Miguel was winning and Robby clapped Miguel mid diff at the party
@@flarrowgoateditz hawk and Miguel were not only using one style bro literallt watch the fight, they switch between offense and defense a multitude of times ☠️. Also your bias for Robby shows when you acknowledge the fact that Robby would’ve landed a hit, but completely ignored the fact hawk was gonna land one too but was saved by the bell lmfao, as well as forgetting if Eli used CK+MD from the very start, those few seconds he missed to hit Robby would be gone, so next time u scale I would suggest removing bias
I think Robby wins S3 as Hawk S3 is mostly featless, and doesn't show any feats to show him measuring up S2 Miguel and Robby AP feat of bending the steel of a railing calced at 63 KJ. Leading me to make the Assumpt that Robby still had more Ap While Hawk had stacked up rage amps to make him stronger. But in terms of physical stats i'd have to give it to Robby S3. You could argue that Robby has the skills advantage in S3 as with his 1st encounter with Shawn he had his ass handed to him when he had defense only mindset. But as soon as Kreese had a pet talk with him about striking 1st. He switch up his whole style and started Using Miyagi-do offensively like KK2 Chozen which made him beat Shawn after getting beat by him. We also see towards the end of S3 that Kreese trains Robby in cobra kai while Hawk only knows cobra kai. Robby would know Miyagi-do and how to use it offensively, as well as drop of cobra kai, he has the skills advantage. The main reason I think Robby wins is at the start of S4, where he had no training so he would be the same as his final S3 self, he took fown the entire cobra kai dojo by himself without getting hit in terms of being on guard. That single feat is better than anything Hawk did in S3.
I forgot to mention Hawk’s 2 glass feats that far surpass the s2 Miguel feat but go off ig, Robby knowing something doesn’t mean anything because Hawk would just press foward with offense like he did in s4 which I showed very clearly
@@zukairshebaz7348 first of all railing feat debunked to like 20-30kj, glass feat is like 4kj more, I can check the exact amounts later but Hawk’s glass feats are superior
@@Bokesyck Honestly, S1 Hawk told Robby that it would be his last point after Robby found balanced and score, but Robby enraged Hawk who breaks his whole arm. So S1 Hawk wasn’t going all out, but I still think Robby wins but more of a High diff.
S3: Season 3 Robby would destroy Hawk. Robby was fighting in Juvie and started using an unfamiliar style. Also he’s just better at fighting, Robby wins High Diff. S4: Robby woulda beat Hawk if he wasn’t conflicted mentally and distracted by Kenny. He had 2 reasons to lose why Hawk was at 100%. If both are in their prime than Robby wins Extreme Diff.
S4 is hawk high diff if u want to say the distraction that’s fine. Hawk was gonna win at the buzzer and if Robby was actually better he would’ve beat hawk after the distraction
@@BokesyckStiven got low diffed by tory at the end of house fight and Tory got defeated by Robby in s4 ep 1 so he is not high in scaling in this season
we don't really know how the fight would play out in season 1 they both have one point and I know because Robby wasn't focused but before the next round starts hawk kicks Robby in the shoulder if he didn't do that it would probably be hawk two points and robby three points robby win but the writers did they make Hawk kick Robby in the shoulder because Robby needed to fight Miguel and if Hawk won the fight wouldn't happen or was it to show That Hawk is going down a dark path but it could have been like this Robbie wins the fight and then Hawk does something bad later that shows him going down a dark path but it doesn't matter they're all buddies now the best Fighters
Robby wins every season dude what?😂 first of all ur season 3 take made no sense, hawk got beat in a 2v1 against Sam, Robby won a 1 v 5 in juvie, Robby beats hawk high diff in season 3, and in season 4 Robby wins extreme diff again he woulda won in the tournament if he wasn’t distracted by Kenny, that’s legit the opportunity he missed to win, ik it sounds biased saying Robby wins every season but he does, he is just a better fighter than hawk, hawk isn’t on Robby and Miguel’s level he never was
@@MikesCollectiblesV2 I think ur schizophrenic cuz idk where u got 5 people from Robby’s fight 💀 Sam’s fight with him was mid season so my scaling means more than yours cuz I’m talking about prime s3 hawk And in season 4, this is based off a non point based fight, if Robby was the “better fighter” why didn’t he just score on hawk later on in the fight, he’s just not better like that 🤷
@@Bokesyckhe was unfocused the entire fight lol. This is stated with “ I need to clear my head” then goes straight to Johnny explaining it isn’t because of the tournament it’s kenny
@@BokesyckRobby still outscales in s3 tho. Both styles as well as taking a 1v3. While hawk is losing to Sam. And whether or not it’s mid season he still has no more feats. Hawk has no good feats in s3. Robby high diffs s3
I made my comment 2 months ago time to tell my 2nd shot with my own proof Season 1:Robby (Robby is able to beat Miguel with a injured arm and unbalanced and gave a extreme fight and balanced and no injured arm he SOLOS miguel and we know that miguel is the champion of cobra kai and would mean hes naturally better then hawk so robby will win Low diff) Season 2:Robby (they had a full fetched fight and both at there peak was getting jumped and distracted alot by the real fight and hawk only got onw hit in and robby was still winning and won so just hawk alone will get solo,d ROBBY Low diff) Season 3:Robby (this is where i shed my skin in season 3 hawks feats are beating brucks and losing to sam who him and his friend are losing but this is just mid season he learn and has a little more experience and does not show he gets hurt by a simple miyagi do and tory vs hawk is debateble and tory lost to a unbalnced ptsd sam low diffs her and Robby niw with miyagi do and cobra kai or striking first and can tank attacks deakt by big men and just shows way more feats acually after the season 3 finale robby solos the while dojo something hawk can never do Season 4:Robby (Eli can go toe to toe with a mentally nerfed Miguel witch would mean a full miguel would win robby beat a full Miguel and Miguel could,ve probaly beaten miguel but robby beat a fully ready miguel so Robby just out scaled) Season 5:Robby (A suppressed robby can beat the likes of kyler and kenny hawk is struggling and getting beat at some pionts and just dying when kenny hit that silver bullet robby tanks it and continues Fighting
S1 Hawk Mid-High Diff S2 Robby High Diff S3 Hawk Mid Diff S4 Hawk High Diff S5 Robby High Diff Hawk is a better fighter than robby any day. He is much smarter than robby and knows when to use offence and defence. Hawk trained the entire S3 while robby didn't, meaning robby in S3 would be slightly better than robby S2.
Robby s1 because robby and hawk training the same episode 6 they have the same experience besides robby was unfocused but after listen daniel robby score him point balanced and he showed superior hawk
Actually hawk was holding back against kyler 😂 plus kyler just landed one hit that proves how trash kyler is 😂plus Kenny fully charged the silver bullet against hawk that’s why he got affected by it while Kenny had to rush it against Robby that’s why Robby got less affected 😂 and we see Robby getting jumped and clapped by 2 randoms and Kenny while hawk was able to no diff Kyler and 2 randoms so in s5 hawk takes it extreme diff 🗿
@Miguelkillskenny yes and robby too both was holding back but unlike of hawk robby might wake up and blocking the hits of students cobra kai and hawk said he was go serious before kenny punch him with silver bullet so robby claps hawk
He got destroyed by Sam kresse was talking about Tory and you showed no feats of why hawk beats Robby in season 3 Robby’s defence was probably rusty from not practicing defence since season 2
Dude, you need to do your research you made three mistakes in your video. 1. Kreese chose Robby over Hawk, Kreese never stated that Hawk was going to be cobra kai champion. Kreese even stated to Robby that, he's what Cobra Kai been looking for, and Hawk was looking with Evy. So you might want to double check on that. 2. The only reason Hawk got Robby on the ground because be pulled his gi which is legal and it was a desperate, girly, and pathetic move. Also, Robby had guard up before the buzzer, so that wasn't certain. In addition,in overtime Robby slam hawk on the ground and hawk was knock out for few seconds which was a guaranteed victory for Robby and only took him a few minutes to do that but got distracted with Kenny behavior. 3. Many things was going threw Robby head before he had his fight with Hawk. Daniel giving him the speech about never chose passion over principles, hurting Kenny, and seeing Kenny being currupted when he was beating Anothoney in the lockerroom. And for the record, Robby did not get a easy piont on Hawk. If you look closely in the begining, Robby was analyzing Hawk to see which technique he would go on, offence or defense. You kids have alot to learn about fight sequences 😂😂😂.
Bro has beef with a 6 month old video this is wild 💀 If the move was illegal, why wasn’t it called, why were there no penalties, you’re also blatantly ignoring Robby hammerfisting Hawk’s leg (which strikes to the leg are illegal, proven by Johnny and Kenny) then a few seconds later hawk winning with that EXACT leg. you acting like hawk didn’t have his hand up before Robby did, and proven by the last few rounds hawk does have superior speed regardless. The Kenny and Robby scene was in a super slow mo, I’d love for you to prove that Robby could’ve landed that hit in time before getting kicked off You never proved how these things distracted Robby, I ain’t denying all that happened but you would never be able to prove he was “conflicted” to the point he was nerfed, since he was still relative to Hawk in all instances of e10, and was even confident enough to taunt hawk right before losing, and goin “let’s go baby” after his 1st And analyzing someone doesn’t mean you’re having a hard time that makes literally no sense, that’s like saying just cuz I had to analyze a bit for a math test means I struggled with it, no correlation whatsoever I don’t even know how u made that connection 💀, thinking what move your opponent is gonna use is a regular part of fighting, which since you sound like you’ve never fought before, I don’t blame you for not knowing, but how does me thinking what my opponent is gonna use mean that I would’ve struggled 😭
@@treywilliams3447 bro really had no counter so you resulted to insulting me, you’re saying I can’t take the truth when you’ve been insulting me like what 💀, I’ll take that as you conceding to my points as you’ve provided no counters, ggs
@@treywilliams3447Your such an idiot. If we take out timers and outside forces the score would still be 3-1 to Hawk. Hawk had his 2 fair points and the 1 that got stopped by the bell. Robby would’ve got that 1 point of Kenny. So Robby got 1 hit on Hawk So Hawk got 3 hits on Kenny. And in a Robby fanboy. Hawk>Robby extreme-max diff.
IMO 1. agreed diff 2. agreed diff 3. Ok Robby mid-high diffs or high diff idk; lemme prove this: Now Hawk wouldn't be fully better just because in S4 he used his Cobra Kai to press him, but this is a S3 Robby remember who knows both styles but was pressed by Cobra Kai S4 Hawk who had resolve, but still would have the same skill as S3 Hawk but just faster and more powerful than S3 Hawk. Now that statement isn't even end of season, but at least late season but not end season Hawk would be above Robby. Post-S3/EOS3 Robby now is a different story: In s4 episode a basically same EOS3 Robby who was fatigued was low diffing a full power Tory who analyzed his style, so I don't know what to say about this. Hawk definitely performed much better than Tory against background characters while both were at their best. It's irrelevant to bring up Tory dominating Stiven when he was hugely fatigued from fighting like S2 Hawk where he'd go at everyone he could until he ran out of stamina. Bringing up Tory one shotting Chris is not a good example because she attacked him with a good attack and good spot while in a real fight, it'd be hard to land a hit on a perfect spot to incapacitate + Doug already lowered his stamina + damaged him the most before Tory incapacitated Chris. So it's better to compare Tory to her first opponent which she struggled against. Now normally I can't scale that background character to Stiven, but let's conclude their equal because I mean, literally all the background students except Doug/Mikey/Chris/Mitch were relative in the school fight, arcade fight, and practically any occasion. So Hawk was toying using his speed/reflexes to destroy Stiven by a huge margin while Tory was relative in speed to a background character, so Hawk > Tory (high diff) now Robby low diffed Tory, so IMO he mid-high diffs this Hawk. 4. Agreed diff and explainable: Peak Hawk 2 + ?-? Robby by the ? being if it was possible that they would've scored the point but it's also possible that they wouldn't; Hawk scored a point when he first went all out offensive but still defensive (basically Cobra Kai Hawk without the damn overhand strike but with a ton of defense which helped him a ton against Robby's offense), so this shouldn't be a debate as Hawk as you stated high-extreme diff. 5. slightly agreed diff, but it's confusing, but we see Hawk before use offense in S4 before against Robby, so normally when he isn't striking first, he is using Miyagi-do offense. A more offensive Hawk would've pushed Kenny into defense every time, and Kenny was able to elbow an unfocused Hawk although I feel like I'm making headcanon, but I think it's implied as seen when he said that he got caught off-guard, and how confused he was after his point didn't count. But tbh who knows; I might be making head canon, but yeah, Hawk wouldn't even know Kenny would be using that attack anyways in a tournament. Nevertheless, a suppressed Robby threw Base Kenny like fodder while Hawk was struggling still. Even if he used Cobra Kai offensive mode but still defensive (not Miyagi-do offense), I don't have enough proof to support that he'd upgrade way more than his non-strike first self. Conclusion: Stop using that damn overhand strike because that's when Hawk gets foddered on such as against Kenny, Sam, or Kyler. (Like those strikes are a horrible technique because it's 1. easy to counter 2. it's SO SLOW 3. It leaves you open; in karate, you never use it actually. I think it's only used because they want to use a variety of punches.) Edit: now I think s3 hawk > s3 Robby but it’d be extreme difficulty because of kreese’s statement but I’m not sure about it because Robby wasn’t just extra strength to kreese because he destroyed a whole dojo, so I’m not sure about his statement.
I ain’t readin all that wtf, also u don’t understand the overhand strike, because normally it’s just supposed to be a hook, but a normal hook would be hard to see, so for choreo purposes the overhand strike is necessary
About S3 ur saying Hawk isn't above because he doesn't beat Stiven who Tory slams yet u contradicted urself when u said Hawk beats up Doug but he was tired, Stiven himself was literally in the ground on his knees before he fights Tory plus Hawk was mostly toying with Stiven in that whole fight so it's not even that fair. Hawk was literally stated by Kreese that Robby was only extra strength infering to Hawk literally still being his main champ so that already up scales him from Tory quite highly
@@Usernamelol45 I never said he doesn't beat Stiven???? He was toying with him lmao. I'm not downplaying Hawk or anything because I believe he is equal to balanced Sam but not as powerful at EOS3 Robby. I'm bringing up EOS3/Post-S3 as a fight, and I was bringing up points to upscale Hawk still so anyone who downplays him will understand his feats. I just think low diffing Tory + beating up the whole Cobra Kai dojo is a better feat than toying with Stiven. (Also that fight of Robby was in the same week of the house fight, so he's practically the same as EOS3 Robby)
@@Usernamelol45 also sorry if my points were confusing since I was trying to be unbias by giving both feats, then you misunderstood my upscaling of both characters.
Hawk S5 is actually way better than you think. The reason why Kenny did so good against Hawk was because Hawk was mostly using Miyagi Do only during the fight, then when he said he was gonna unleash the Hawk, he meant that he was gonna use both styles now cause he knows that he shouldnt fool around with Kenny anymore but Kenny caught him off-guard with the silver bullet. About Kyler, Hawk didnt become weaker. Kyler simply got stronger. Let me remind you that Kyler got training while Hawk didnt train since season 4 (due to Miyagi Do closing) so he didnt really get that much better than how he was in season 4 but imo, Season 5 is Hawk's prime
I agree completely
Kenny was stated to be superior to kyler
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@@localricefarmerfeats>statements kylrr presses a stronger hawk
@@Dinetioneditz123 Kenny overpowers Kyler and it was stated by terry silver that Kenny has more potential than Miguel Diaz, Keene and Hawk. The same terry silver that was there during the season 4 tournament and the same terry silver that would body hawk easily.
Robby and Hawk rivalry was one of the best, most underrated rivalries of the show
Robby and Hawk are both Good🥋🥋But in the end, Robby and Hawk are now friends
You saying that Robby’s punch didn’t effect Eli in season 4 is kinda dumb. It’s to score a point. Why follow through if it’s not gonna matter anyways?
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Bc he an hawk fanboy
@@Goatleonaldohe’s not
because hes saying if it was a street fight and robby threw that same punch it would not effect hawk and he would just continue fighting
@@TFA_TOUCH_FOOTBALL Robby wouldn’t throw that punch in a street fight if he was trying to do damage. That was just to score a point
people say that hawk only won in season 4 bc robby was distracted but they forget that robby was litterally saved by the timer which wouldnt have happened in a street fight
Completely wrong reasoning. Why compare street fight with points challenge. Both were fighting to score a point, not to knock out, if it was a street fight they would have played it differently. Hawk was about to score point to Robby before the time end only because he took it from the Gi not because he actually put it down something Robby completely didn't expect. I don't even know why that was a valid thing.
@@Warriorytbchannel okay but still the video was about who is the better fighter. and honestly if it wasnt just to make the show interesting hawk wouldve gotten that point before the time ran out so it was just made for suspence.
What I hate about cobra kai fans, is when they saw s3 hawk, yes I know, Kreese was training with him and Robby didnt do any training. BUT S3 HAWK IS SO OVERRATED THAT THEY THINK THATS HIS PRIME, "O-O-Oh b-b-b-but h-he killed Brucks and he was trained by Kreese" Yet Robby was legit in Prison, was struggling against Shawn and then found out how to defeat him and etc.
S2 Miguel is also overrated
hawk s3 is more overrated than s2 miguel but hawk in s3 lost to sam idk why some peoples think s3 is his prime and robby s3 could beat hawk s3
@@nk_ing S3 is not even Close to Prime Hawk (S5 is Hawk’s Prime) but I do believe he is better than S3 Robby
@@nk_ingSam beat him mid season
S3 Hawk is better than S3 Robby but yeah S3 Hawk is overrated
@@MrFlamer825 same
IMO
S1 Robby High diff
S2 Robby Mid diff
S3 Hawk Extreme diff
S4 Hawk High diff
S5 Robby High diff
Only right answer
Agree
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S1 Robby mid diff
S2 Robby mid diff
S3 hawk High-Ext depending on what he's wearing ngl cuz he won't be as agile as he was in s4 cuz he had a gi
S4 could go either way
S5 robby mid-high diff
S3 Robby slams Hawk easily, because Robby beat Shawn and his two friends and Hawk with Rickenberger slamed by Sam. Come on, no matter how much skilled was Sam in S3, she wouldn't stay a chance against Shawn, but Hawk had more feats this season, but Robby used his Miyagi-Do skills as ofence only when Kreese just told him to do it and Hawk saved Demetri and beated Cobra Kai's that had Chris and Bert skills. So yeah, Robby slams, prison boy
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Season 3: Hawk was training for 3 months while Robby was thinking abt life, keeping the connections with the people he cares abt and simply cant just magically get stronger Just by learning a philosophy+since S4 Hawk has either equal or slightly worse offense as his S3 self with S4 Hawks offense carrying him to win high-extreme diff against a Rigged ref(didnt get a warning by elbowing Hawks kick)+Rage/And or No Mercy amp+Saved by SuddenD.O.T+headstart bc M.D only= if Robby didnt have any of those advantages he would get low diffed by S4Hawk and since
robbys defense is basically S2Robbys defense bc theres no way he has better defense+we have not feats implying that+S4Robbys defense might be even Worse considering its been 3+ months since he had any practice with it.
That would mean Overall S3Hawk Low-Mid diffs S2 Robby.
Robby VS Hawk Every Season
Season 1:Robby
Season 2:Robby
Season 3: Robby
Season 4:Eli/Robby
Season 5:Robby
Robby:5 points Hawk:1 piont
Can you please do Robby vs Miguel every video I like to hear your opinion on this
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On god
Great video indeed
you realize that i’m S3 episode 9 after the statement said about Hawk, Krease says that Robby was exactly what CK was looking for and it was implied that he was looking for a champion and in S4 they were mixing styles not just using one
When kreese said all that with hawk it was never implied to be hawk anyway people thought it was hawk but later said all those things to Tory
Love this bro! I was looking for a content creator exactly like you! I'm a new sub
Season 1: Robby wins Mid Diff
Season 2: Robby wins Low Diff
Season 3: Robby wins High-Extreme Diff
Season 4: Eli wins High-Extreme Diff
Season 5: Robby wins Mid-High Diff
Facts but S5 is Extreme Diff because Robby didn’t continue his training unti episode 7 and that also applies to Hawk, and they were very relative in S4 so I wouldn’t see S5 being much different.
When they do start training again we see Robby perform way better so that’s irrelevant
@@Bokesyck How much KJ calculated on Demetri sending Hawk through a trophy case? And also does the KJ calculation change on Demetri sending Hawk through a trophy case and Johnny breaking a sign, since S2 Miguel AP feat was above those two feats before it’s debunked?
@@Bokesyck facts, I now think S5 = Robby Mid-High Diff
I definitely agree on extreme diff
Hawk survived longer against Chozen than Robby did
My Opinion (for Street Fights)
(Season 1: Robby Wins Mid-High Diff if Focused and Balanced, but Hawk wins High-Extreme Diff if not)
(Season 2: No doubt about it Robby wins Mid Diff)
(Season 3: Robby Wins High Diff Mid-Season
Season 3 end of Season: Robby Wins High-Extreme Diff
(Season 4: Extremely Debatable so you don’t have to agree but Robby Extreme Diff)
(Season 5: No doubt in my opinion Robby wins High Diff)
Anyways that is my opinion so there it is 😁
This is just my opinion btw so don’t criticize
I think that Hawk can be underrated and overrated at times.
S4 goes to hawk
@@Dinetioneditz123 this is from a year ago bro
@@xøCommando upload another video lando
@@Dinetioneditz123 not right now
Not for a while
I don’t want to explain right now
well about kenny distracting robby, the scene was slowed so it was at best a 0.5 second distraction, meaning hawk recovered immediately anyway with his kick, so robby wouldnt even have the time to punch hawk cuz of his quick reaction
Next video u gotta do is Miguel vs Robby all seasons to get both fanboys mad
robby wins season 1 3 4 miguel wins 2 and 5
@@dillonhall3294 exactly
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But miguel is still better
@@dillonhall3294 I would say there equal in S4 but I agree with the rest
Season 1:Robby Mid-High diff
Season 2:Robby High diff
Season 3:Hawk Extreme diff
Season 4:Hawk Extreme diff
Season 5:Robby Extreme Diff (Yes Robby has better feats but their stated as being at the same level.)
They’re stated, but a feat debunked that statement so it’s no longer valid
@@Bokesyck If your talking about Robby taking the silver bullet that's just a durability edge. Hawk has advantages that kinda even it out I think.
@@poppyedits69 Robby’s sb feat is endurance not dura lmao, but Hawk doesn’t really beat him in any important categories, Robby throws Kyler and Kenny aside whereas Hawk struggles, and he can eat hits AFTER sb which was durability, Hawk gets murked really badly s2 coyote creek style
@@Bokesyck Hawk struggles but he's also been able to throw around Kyler and Kenny. Kenny at the water park and Kyler at the beginning of their fight. So Robby doing the same thing really isn't that big a deal. Hawk also beats Robby in Experience (Although that one really doesn't matter in CK) IQ BIQ speed agility skill (Debateable but I think he should take it simply because he has more training) and Offense
You are the best cobra kai youtuber man
Good edit
I hope they rematch in part 2 of S6
If this was the first episode of cobra kai: Nerd vs Criminal
W video bro
S3: robby slams
You stated that eli put robby on defense, making this s3 hawk vs s2 robby, in which hawk folds obviously, yet robby was able to hold his own.
Also, explain why when kreese was talking to hawk about a new champion, he went to tory straight away.
alright pokery scaling ahh mf
S3 Robby is still a beginner at offense so if he used it hawk would still outclass him in that category whether it’s off or def Robby, he didn’t hold his own that well don’t wank him.
You’re commenting on an old ass video when I’ve changed my scaling so I don’t use this statement anymore lmao, but it doesn’t apply to anyone because first he said it to hawk, then Tory, then Robby, so it’s just invalid, doesn’t change the fact he called Robby extra strength
@@Bokesyckanyways, the statement is irrelevant as this was like mid season (3x6) So this is irrelevant to the final scaling.
@@Bokesyckits been proven experience doesnt matter in the ck verse. Just cuz he is a beginner at offense doesnt mean hawk solos
@@Bokesyckwould you put s3 Hawk still has number 1 in s3
For it's
Season 1 Robby Low-Extreme diff ( for me Hawk S1 is massivly underrated and did can to win VS Robby in the tournament)
Season 2 Robby Low-high diff (Hawk S2 didn't do bigs feats after the season 1 in the season 2)
Season 3 Hawk High diff (for me Robby S3 is a little overrated and the feats of Hawk in the season 3 after the season 2 are underrated)
Season 4 Hawk Extreme diff (Hawk S4 did very won the tournament and VS cobra kai He was surprised )
Season 5 Robby Low-high diff (Hawk S5 is overrated. Kenny was better overall in the season 5 )
Overall Hawk have a better prime but Robby is a better fighter overall. Overall, He win Low-Extreme diff
In my opinion 😊
Imo:
S1 - Robby, mid-high diff
S2 - Robby, mid diff
S3 - Hawk, high diff
S4 - Hawk, extreme diff
S5 - Robby, high diff
Facts I mostly agree, but S3 Is Extreme Diff, S1 is Low Diff and S5 is Mid-High Diff.
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I think Robby sofetned the punch, because it's a tournament that's my opinion at least.
The reason why in season 4 of the tornament why robby's punch didn't affect hawk is because in the tornament your goal is to score a point, not physically hurt your oppenent. So robby might hav not been using all of his power in his punches and kicks like most fighters would cuz you probably wouldn't need to in a tornament. With that tho, i agree that hawk was superior in S4. Also S3, kreese did state that robby is what cobra kai was looking for thus implying that kreese believes robby is the male champ cobra kai was needing.
imo season 1 2 3 and 5 robby and season four hawk
SEASON 1 ROBBY LOW MID DIFF
SEASON 2 ROBBY MID DIFF
SEASON 3 HAWK HIGH DIFF
SEASON 4 HAWK HIGH _ EXSTREAM DIFF
SEASON 5 EQUAL
BRUH HAWK DID NOT WIN AGAINST KENNY BECAUSE THE REFF WAS PAID HAWK WAS NOT ALLOWED DO ILLEAGALL MOVES BUT KENNY WAS KENNY HAD PLOT ARMOUR SO YEAH HAWK DESTROYS KENNY
Season 5 robby is clear winner
Season 5 hawk is rusty and doesn't have any feats to make better than robby
Miguel V Robby V Hawk (my opinion all seasons)
S1- Robby
S2- Miguel
S3 - Hawk
S4- Hawk
S5- Miguel
Robby S1
Miguel S2
Robby s3
Robby S4
Miguel S5
Robby S6
Season 4 eli
IMO hawk slams in s5 high diff don’t say he got nerfed cause s5 is his prime he just went easy on everybody 😅
Hawk wasn’t trying this is Eli fighting not hawk and Eli is much weaker than hawk Eli is more of defense where hawk is more of offense so if Robby and hawk went full out against each other it could go either way tbh
Eli >>> Hawk
@@Bokesyck fax
IMO Robby season 4 if he didn’t get distracted he would’ve scored he point and the claim that Robby got saved by the bell is irrelevant because the bell is apart of the tournament so tournament wise no distractions or disadvantages Robby would win and also Hawk was struggling with Miguel and I know Hawk was only using miyagi do but Miguel was only using eagle fang so they were both using one style and Miguel was winning and Robby clapped Miguel mid diff at the party
@@flarrowgoateditz hawk and Miguel were not only using one style bro literallt watch the fight, they switch between offense and defense a multitude of times ☠️.
Also your bias for Robby shows when you acknowledge the fact that Robby would’ve landed a hit, but completely ignored the fact hawk was gonna land one too but was saved by the bell lmfao, as well as forgetting if Eli used CK+MD from the very start, those few seconds he missed to hit Robby would be gone, so next time u scale I would suggest removing bias
I think Robby wins S3 as Hawk S3 is mostly featless, and doesn't show any feats to show him measuring up S2 Miguel and Robby AP feat of bending the steel of a railing calced at 63 KJ. Leading me to make the Assumpt that Robby still had more Ap While Hawk had stacked up rage amps to make him stronger. But in terms of physical stats i'd have to give it to Robby S3.
You could argue that Robby has the skills advantage in S3 as with his 1st encounter with Shawn he had his ass handed to him when he had defense only mindset. But as soon as Kreese had a pet talk with him about striking 1st. He switch up his whole style and started Using Miyagi-do offensively like KK2 Chozen which made him beat Shawn after getting beat by him.
We also see towards the end of S3 that
Kreese trains Robby in cobra kai while Hawk only knows cobra kai. Robby would know Miyagi-do and how to use it offensively, as well as drop of cobra kai, he has the skills advantage.
The main reason I think Robby wins is at the start of S4, where he had no training so he would be the same as his final S3 self, he took fown the entire cobra kai dojo by himself without getting hit in terms of being on guard. That single feat is better than anything Hawk did in S3.
I forgot to mention Hawk’s 2 glass feats that far surpass the s2 Miguel feat but go off ig, Robby knowing something doesn’t mean anything because Hawk would just press foward with offense like he did in s4 which I showed very clearly
@@Bokesyck wait what was the glass feats calced at?
@@zukairshebaz7348 first of all railing feat debunked to like 20-30kj, glass feat is like 4kj more, I can check the exact amounts later but Hawk’s glass feats are superior
@@Bokesyck what is Johnny breaking a metal sign calced at?
@@Bokesyck Honestly, S1 Hawk told Robby that it would be his last point after Robby found balanced and score, but Robby enraged Hawk who breaks his whole arm. So S1 Hawk wasn’t going all out, but I still think Robby wins but more of a High diff.
Smartest Robby fan lol😂
S5 draw or Eli
S3: Season 3 Robby would destroy Hawk. Robby was fighting in Juvie and started using an unfamiliar style. Also he’s just better at fighting, Robby wins High Diff.
S4: Robby woulda beat Hawk if he wasn’t conflicted mentally and distracted by Kenny. He had 2 reasons to lose why Hawk was at 100%. If both are in their prime than Robby wins Extreme Diff.
S4 is hawk high diff if u want to say the distraction that’s fine. Hawk was gonna win at the buzzer and if Robby was actually better he would’ve beat hawk after the distraction
Hawks confidence was low
@@Dinetioneditz123 No it wasn’t G
@@Dinetioneditz123 S4 is either tied or Robby wins. It was a Tournament Fight and Robby almost won anyways even with Conflict.
@@epicc1o1official he was conflicted after the tournament he was fighting perfectly fine
Kenny and Hawk fight was paid by the ref to make Kenny win at all cost because of silver so don’t even try to do that
@@ExcelSumo-v2u unfortunately for you I did it a year ago so nice try
in season 3 kreese could've been saying tory cuz right after he went to see her and also hawk struggled with stiven season 3
Then stiven scales high in the season simple
@@BokesyckStiven got low diffed by tory at the end of house fight and Tory got defeated by Robby in s4 ep 1 so he is not high in scaling in this season
hawk was beating kyler but all kyler did was grab his head
he also land a punch and push him around
s1 robby, s2 robby, s3 draw, s4 robby obviousily and s5 robby
S4 and s3 are hawk 😂
we don't really know how the fight would play out in season 1 they both have one point and I know because Robby wasn't focused but before the next round starts hawk kicks Robby in the shoulder if he didn't do that it would probably be hawk two points and robby three points robby win but the writers did they make Hawk kick Robby in the shoulder because Robby needed to fight Miguel and if Hawk won the fight wouldn't happen or was it to show That Hawk is going down a dark path but it could have been like this Robbie wins the fight and then Hawk does something bad later that shows him going down a dark path but it doesn't matter they're all buddies now the best Fighters
Robby wins every season dude what?😂 first of all ur season 3 take made no sense, hawk got beat in a 2v1 against Sam, Robby won a 1 v 5 in juvie, Robby beats hawk high diff in season 3, and in season 4 Robby wins extreme diff again he woulda won in the tournament if he wasn’t distracted by Kenny, that’s legit the opportunity he missed to win, ik it sounds biased saying Robby wins every season but he does, he is just a better fighter than hawk, hawk isn’t on Robby and Miguel’s level he never was
@@MikesCollectiblesV2 I think ur schizophrenic cuz idk where u got 5 people from Robby’s fight 💀
Sam’s fight with him was mid season so my scaling means more than yours cuz I’m talking about prime s3 hawk
And in season 4, this is based off a non point based fight, if Robby was the “better fighter” why didn’t he just score on hawk later on in the fight, he’s just not better like that 🤷
@@Bokesyckhe was unfocused the entire fight lol. This is stated with “ I need to clear my head” then goes straight to Johnny explaining it isn’t because of the tournament it’s kenny
@@BokesyckRobby still outscales in s3 tho. Both styles as well as taking a 1v3. While hawk is losing to Sam. And whether or not it’s mid season he still has no more feats. Hawk has no good feats in s3. Robby high diffs s3
The winner for each season is right but the diff is very off expect for s3
robby s3 beat shawn and his friends in prison who is twice the size of robby
Robby would win a street fight but Eli would still be winning a tournement
Hawk wins both in s4
Ok sure
S1: Robby mid diff
S2: Robby mid diff
S3: Hawk high diff
S4: Hawk extreme diff
S5: Robby high diff
I made my comment 2 months ago time to tell my 2nd shot with my own proof
Season 1:Robby (Robby is able to beat Miguel with a injured arm and unbalanced and gave a extreme fight and balanced and no injured arm he SOLOS miguel and we know that miguel is the champion of cobra kai and would mean hes naturally better then hawk so robby will win Low diff)
Season 2:Robby (they had a full fetched fight and both at there peak was getting jumped and distracted alot by the real fight and hawk only got onw hit in and robby was still winning and won so just hawk alone will get solo,d ROBBY Low diff)
Season 3:Robby (this is where i shed my skin in season 3 hawks feats are beating brucks and losing to sam who him and his friend are losing but this is just mid season he learn and has a little more experience and does not show he gets hurt by a simple miyagi do and tory vs hawk is debateble and tory lost to a unbalnced ptsd sam low diffs her and Robby niw with miyagi do and cobra kai or striking first and can tank attacks deakt by big men and just shows way more feats acually after the season 3 finale robby solos the while dojo something hawk can never do
Season 4:Robby (Eli can go toe to toe with a mentally nerfed Miguel witch would mean a full miguel would win robby beat a full Miguel and Miguel could,ve probaly beaten miguel but robby beat a fully ready miguel so Robby just out scaled)
Season 5:Robby (A suppressed robby can beat the likes of kyler and kenny hawk is struggling and getting beat at some pionts and just dying when kenny hit that silver bullet robby tanks it and continues Fighting
IMO
S1 Robby
S2 Robby
S3 Hawk
S4 Robby
S5 Robby
S4 hawk
Lol yeah this comment is a year old 💀
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No s5 is Robby (High Diff)
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S1 Hawk Mid-High Diff
S2 Robby High Diff
S3 Hawk Mid Diff
S4 Hawk High Diff
S5 Robby High Diff
Hawk is a better fighter than robby any day. He is much smarter than robby and knows when to use offence and defence. Hawk trained the entire S3 while robby didn't, meaning robby in S3 would be slightly better than robby S2.
Robby s1 because robby and hawk training the same episode 6 they have the same experience besides robby was unfocused but after listen daniel robby score him point balanced and he showed superior hawk
Actually hawk was holding back against kyler 😂 plus kyler just landed one hit that proves how trash kyler is 😂plus Kenny fully charged the silver bullet against hawk that’s why he got affected by it while Kenny had to rush it against Robby that’s why Robby got less affected 😂 and we see Robby getting jumped and clapped by 2 randoms and Kenny while hawk was able to no diff Kyler and 2 randoms so in s5 hawk takes it extreme diff 🗿
Cap 😂 robby negative diffs
Robby was migth wake up before miguel save him and hawk can't against kenny Robby>hawk high diff
@@blackops2kills60 hawk was holding back
@Miguelkillskenny yes and robby too both was holding back but unlike of hawk robby might wake up and blocking the hits of students cobra kai and hawk said he was go serious before kenny punch him with silver bullet so robby claps hawk
@@Miguelkillskenny cap
So who’s better in season three you didn’t say
3:23 “hawk would take season 3 with high difficulty” 💀💀
He got destroyed by Sam kresse was talking about Tory and you showed no feats of why hawk beats Robby in season 3 Robby’s defence was probably rusty from not practicing defence since season 2
Bokery 😩
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Have A nice day everyone-BOKESY(2023)
Hawk wins season one stop the cap
Dude, you need to do your research you made three mistakes in your video.
1. Kreese chose Robby over Hawk, Kreese never stated that Hawk was going to be cobra kai champion. Kreese even stated to Robby that, he's what Cobra Kai been looking for, and Hawk was looking with Evy. So you might want to double check on that.
2. The only reason Hawk got Robby on the ground because be pulled his gi which is legal and it was a desperate, girly, and pathetic move. Also, Robby had guard up before the buzzer, so that wasn't certain. In addition,in overtime Robby slam hawk on the ground and hawk was knock out for few seconds which was a guaranteed victory for Robby and only took him a few minutes to do that but got distracted with Kenny behavior.
3. Many things was going threw Robby head before he had his fight with Hawk. Daniel giving him the speech about never chose passion over principles, hurting Kenny, and seeing Kenny being currupted when he was beating Anothoney in the lockerroom.
And for the record, Robby did not get a easy piont on Hawk. If you look closely in the begining, Robby was analyzing Hawk to see which technique he would go on, offence or defense.
You kids have alot to learn about fight sequences 😂😂😂.
Bro has beef with a 6 month old video this is wild 💀
If the move was illegal, why wasn’t it called, why were there no penalties, you’re also blatantly ignoring Robby hammerfisting Hawk’s leg (which strikes to the leg are illegal, proven by Johnny and Kenny) then a few seconds later hawk winning with that EXACT leg. you acting like hawk didn’t have his hand up before Robby did, and proven by the last few rounds hawk does have superior speed regardless. The Kenny and Robby scene was in a super slow mo, I’d love for you to prove that Robby could’ve landed that hit in time before getting kicked off
You never proved how these things distracted Robby, I ain’t denying all that happened but you would never be able to prove he was “conflicted” to the point he was nerfed, since he was still relative to Hawk in all instances of e10, and was even confident enough to taunt hawk right before losing, and goin “let’s go baby” after his 1st
And analyzing someone doesn’t mean you’re having a hard time that makes literally no sense, that’s like saying just cuz I had to analyze a bit for a math test means I struggled with it, no correlation whatsoever I don’t even know how u made that connection 💀, thinking what move your opponent is gonna use is a regular part of fighting, which since you sound like you’ve never fought before, I don’t blame you for not knowing, but how does me thinking what my opponent is gonna use mean that I would’ve struggled 😭
@@Bokesyck Don't 😢 little boy, I know it hurts when the truth comes out and you can't take it.😅😅
@@Bokesyck bro all your comments are not even accurate and they do not even compare to my comments. Go to school
@@treywilliams3447 bro really had no counter so you resulted to insulting me, you’re saying I can’t take the truth when you’ve been insulting me like what 💀, I’ll take that as you conceding to my points as you’ve provided no counters, ggs
@@treywilliams3447Your such an idiot.
If we take out timers and outside forces the score would still be 3-1 to Hawk.
Hawk had his 2 fair points and the 1 that got stopped by the bell.
Robby would’ve got that 1 point of Kenny.
So Robby got 1 hit on Hawk
So Hawk got 3 hits on Kenny.
And in a Robby fanboy.
Hawk>Robby extreme-max diff.
S5 low diff
S3 robby wins
i think s3 robby wins but ok
Robby takes every season
bruh hawk in season 3 and 4 and 1
IMO
1. agreed diff
2. agreed diff
3. Ok Robby mid-high diffs or high diff idk; lemme prove this: Now Hawk wouldn't be fully better just because in S4 he used his Cobra Kai to press him, but this is a S3 Robby remember who knows both styles but was pressed by Cobra Kai S4 Hawk who had resolve, but still would have the same skill as S3 Hawk but just faster and more powerful than S3 Hawk. Now that statement isn't even end of season, but at least late season but not end season Hawk would be above Robby. Post-S3/EOS3 Robby now is a different story: In s4 episode a basically same EOS3 Robby who was fatigued was low diffing a full power Tory who analyzed his style, so I don't know what to say about this. Hawk definitely performed much better than Tory against background characters while both were at their best. It's irrelevant to bring up Tory dominating Stiven when he was hugely fatigued from fighting like S2 Hawk where he'd go at everyone he could until he ran out of stamina. Bringing up Tory one shotting Chris is not a good example because she attacked him with a good attack and good spot while in a real fight, it'd be hard to land a hit on a perfect spot to incapacitate + Doug already lowered his stamina + damaged him the most before Tory incapacitated Chris. So it's better to compare Tory to her first opponent which she struggled against. Now normally I can't scale that background character to Stiven, but let's conclude their equal because I mean, literally all the background students except Doug/Mikey/Chris/Mitch were relative in the school fight, arcade fight, and practically any occasion. So Hawk was toying using his speed/reflexes to destroy Stiven by a huge margin while Tory was relative in speed to a background character, so Hawk > Tory (high diff) now Robby low diffed Tory, so IMO he mid-high diffs this Hawk.
4. Agreed diff and explainable: Peak Hawk 2 + ?-? Robby by the ? being if it was possible that they would've scored the point but it's also possible that they wouldn't; Hawk scored a point when he first went all out offensive but still defensive (basically Cobra Kai Hawk without the damn overhand strike but with a ton of defense which helped him a ton against Robby's offense), so this shouldn't be a debate as Hawk as you stated high-extreme diff.
5. slightly agreed diff, but it's confusing, but we see Hawk before use offense in S4 before against Robby, so normally when he isn't striking first, he is using Miyagi-do offense. A more offensive Hawk would've pushed Kenny into defense every time, and Kenny was able to elbow an unfocused Hawk although I feel like I'm making headcanon, but I think it's implied as seen when he said that he got caught off-guard, and how confused he was after his point didn't count. But tbh who knows; I might be making head canon, but yeah, Hawk wouldn't even know Kenny would be using that attack anyways in a tournament. Nevertheless, a suppressed Robby threw Base Kenny like fodder while Hawk was struggling still. Even if he used Cobra Kai offensive mode but still defensive (not Miyagi-do offense), I don't have enough proof to support that he'd upgrade way more than his non-strike first self.
Conclusion: Stop using that damn overhand strike because that's when Hawk gets foddered on such as against Kenny, Sam, or Kyler. (Like those strikes are a horrible technique because it's 1. easy to counter 2. it's SO SLOW 3. It leaves you open; in karate, you never use it actually. I think it's only used because they want to use a variety of punches.)
Edit: now I think s3 hawk > s3 Robby but it’d be extreme difficulty because of kreese’s statement but I’m not sure about it because Robby wasn’t just extra strength to kreese because he destroyed a whole dojo, so I’m not sure about his statement.
I ain’t readin all that wtf, also u don’t understand the overhand strike, because normally it’s just supposed to be a hook, but a normal hook would be hard to see, so for choreo purposes the overhand strike is necessary
@@Bokesyck right; I mean we see Kreese use a really big hook, so we can see it. But I guess that's what we get lmao
About S3 ur saying Hawk isn't above because he doesn't beat Stiven who Tory slams yet u contradicted urself when u said Hawk beats up Doug but he was tired, Stiven himself was literally in the ground on his knees before he fights Tory plus Hawk was mostly toying with Stiven in that whole fight so it's not even that fair. Hawk was literally stated by Kreese that Robby was only extra strength infering to Hawk literally still being his main champ so that already up scales him from Tory quite highly
@@Usernamelol45 I never said he doesn't beat Stiven???? He was toying with him lmao. I'm not downplaying Hawk or anything because I believe he is equal to balanced Sam but not as powerful at EOS3 Robby. I'm bringing up EOS3/Post-S3 as a fight, and I was bringing up points to upscale Hawk still so anyone who downplays him will understand his feats. I just think low diffing Tory + beating up the whole Cobra Kai dojo is a better feat than toying with Stiven. (Also that fight of Robby was in the same week of the house fight, so he's practically the same as EOS3 Robby)
@@Usernamelol45 also sorry if my points were confusing since I was trying to be unbias by giving both feats, then you misunderstood my upscaling of both characters.
S1 isn’t low diff this dude dumb 😂
@@wakinyandecory7994 s1 is a low diff this dude incompetent
@@Bokesyck “this dude incompetent” who u talking to ain’t nobody care to read yo shii😭😭😭😭
@@Bokesyck u kinda dumb no cap😭😭
@@wakinyandecory7994 bro u literally just read it 💀
Can you please do Robby vs Miguel every video I like to hear your opinion on this
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