I think warlock solo should definitely be higher, purely because its so efficient at killing bosses and just overall survivability. Phantomize can save you from mobs, players and bosses from insta killing you, and has good ranged spells thats great at keeping people at a distance so you can avoid lots of conflicts and rat out to an escape
When it comes to your SOLO's tier list you Perfectly explained all the meta's/counters perfectly and i agree with everything you said. The ONLY thing i would change is cleric from C tier to B tier. the thing that made cleric so bad in the past was how slow you were. now that the class has speed and also the swing speed + DMG buff on the morning star. i think good cleric builds can compete with fighters even WITHOUT there divine protection off CC.
why nerf magic healing on gear when you can just nerf torture mastery again? This is a really good list. I think I'd move solo ranger up and argue that trios caster lock is at least decent
Love the take on Druid as a Druid main , it takes skill to make it good and people say get rid of bear , rat or treant but those are the only things that make Druid good honestly
@@yonuke9507brotha I use rondel on fighter and I couldn’t agree it’s fun asf and different comparing that to druids is like a bee sting to cancer. Doesn’t work
yeah overall druid is a shitty class. You can pull it up and "compensate" with skill and insane gear but then you're sitting there, with all your skill and practice and BiS gear and you're still struggling against mid geared classes that are simply just easier and better...
This is definitely the take of a mid druid which looking at your stuff confirms. Druid on the upper level needs to be toned down so once you are there then you will get it
@@IT_Technowthere is no way you just called him mid... he is one of the best solo druid players. Go ahead and go do better while recording it since druid it just "so op". You have to work harder against competent players on druid than most classes since they actually have viable range or can just w key harder. If your complaints are about their mobility or ratting doors, you are complaining about their only real strength. Next being panthers damage but 25% increased damage basically and short range, they need to be bursty.
@@IT_Technow druid bear can easily back you up and put you in an unplayable position, never less these people will suck anything repose says, cleric is atleast b/a tier while rouge and wizard are unplayable in solos without literal bis repoze fell off hard
The only reasonable take I've heard about druid. The community sometimes confuses skill for class. Good players cannot exist without the community calling for their class to be tanked
The problem with solos druid isn't necessarily power level, it's the same side character syndrome as old creep rogue. It's not great in a head to head 1v1, but thats why they literally never take 1v1s, they have the ability to ONLY take fights they are 90% favored in. they perma afk on the out skirts of fights until the fight is over, then just panther down whatever 50hp guy won. If a Druid sees me early into the match, if I dont insta kill him on the spot, he will just follow you for the entire game, so any fight you take throughout the match is a waste of time because you know you are getting insta panthered after the fight.
Ranger should have like a ice trap instead which slows you down like the one you have in World Of Warcraft, give rangers different types of traps maybe? Thanks for the video Repoze! I have no idea what class im gonna play next wipe but we'll see :D
Repoze was a goat and still is the goat. It’s crazy how you can stay on top of all the DaD players the whole time. Finally not a Druid main actually tells all that low skill players that Druid is not OP In solos. Yes you run away from fight and reset easier than other classes do. But YOU can’t KILL anyone. Panther is only good for 3rd party and dies in 3 arrows or 2 fireballs. Bear is trash, you just have to strafe back and bear can never kill you. And you tell me this class op when wizard can 2 tap ppl with fireball + zap? It’s insane how bad an average player in DaD is. Keep it up bro
druid is busted as fuck. they have the most mobility, and can literally 1 shot everything besides barb. it’s the only class i dont agree with him on in the list. a good druid beats every other class.
@@redworm93 They can't one shot anyone without 54 strength aka thousands of gold spent on gear.. meanwhile a barbarian with 300 gearscore can basically do the same thing, and he's not a big slow bear
@@Drikkerbadevand lmao they shouldn’t be able to one shot at all. you made my point for me lol they’re capable of everything. he can go rat/panther, then bear and bam right on top of you in a second. from almost a room away. that’s retarded lol. they need to nerf the dog shit out of the class like they did with warlock. the class is broken if you know how to use it. even if you don’t it’s still one of the strongest classes right now. it cal sanctuary with out standing still to cast it. it has better heals than a cleric with the passive heal and the overtime heal spell. it has better mobility than rogues and can legitimately one shot every class. it’s bullshit and you know it.
Man i pray multishot and traps get reworked/removed as a ranger player. Honestly the main thing that eats you in solo ranger is the ms barb build and 3rd parties which is why i stopped doing it since i played it when ms barbs were everywhere
I definitely think that unless there are some fundamental changes to the game that arena meta will end up being solved after the first couple weeks. Considering their focus on trios it's probably gonna be some variation of buffball, which is obvious looking at the game's history. But the problem is how do you change the game so cleric or bard etc aren't mandatory in every comp because of how much utility they provide a team. It's not something they can fix with just number changes unless they nuke the classes into the ground but shouldn't be the go to option.
I mean there are other ways to nerf it indirectly for example the Warlock spell to consume buffs can realy mess Buffball up. but overall its not that easy also just due to the game being kinda all or nothing with stuff like speed Reviving being somewhat hard (got to find an altar revive then get back and get the gear + it takes a while)
W takes. I would only slightly disagree with fighter's spot in 3s. I think a max PDR/MDR fighter with bard buffs, cleric heals, and taunt is damn near unkillable. They can shield any caster damage and even juiced barbarians are going to go down because a PDR/MDR fighter with a pocket cleric will just outlast.
Great content, I main druid in solos and I've barely seen any of my kind in the dungeons. This class was quite unplayable for some time until the recent buffs, which everyone cries for nerfs now... Already there's so many counters to it, for example warlocks, if he curse of pains me. You bet I won't transform into rat form to get away because 1 tick and I am dead to the tick or poison perk rogues, 1 stack of poison and it's a huge mistake to turn into rat. Like you said very skill expressive class and so many counters. High risk high reward class, also good players can just bait out their dream walk form. It's good to see most of the classes in solos being playable and not super broken, it's rock paper scissors in solos and always will be.
Before the nerfs druid was a nightmare to play against, especially against newer players. The dreamwalk free hit spear bug was just game over in -25 lobbies
@@Froy_Oiat the same time the game should never ever ever be balanced for -25. It’s a place to level up your character and forcing fights is just silly
I play a lot of solo druid, and you pretty much have an entirely correct read on the class. I'd say druid is much worse than you think it is after a certain skill level, though. The main problem I have is the total lack of ranged options. I can moonfire the shit out of a barb and not even get halfway through his hp bar by the time I run out of charges. The treant is too slow, the wall sucks, and the panther is way too squishy. The only strategy I've found that can beat barbs (and it's EXTREMELY inconsistent/high skill) is bait their swing - one panther hit - Switch to rat before their second hit. One achilles' franny axe hits me and it's over. If you're already in an animal form with a DoT on you and you accidentally switch to rat, you're dead. Druid imo scales the worst with gear out of any class. The only saving grace of the class is evasiveness, which can be cut short in an instant if you take a single unlucky hit from anything while in rat. Sometimes a goblin archer will be the american fucking sniper and yoink your gearset just like that. Warlock to me is the much easier and more effective version of druid, they're so much better at the wittling-down game, have a better summon, and have insane mid-fight healing. It seems like druid was designed for the same hit and run style, but wasn't actually given any options to chip someone down before committing to a fight; it's really just waiting for them to do something horrendously stupid, get third partied, or fucking up yourself, which is really easy to do on such a wired up 300 apm jackrabbit class.
Oh no.. The person who plays the game for a living, and is considered very knowledgeable about the game says the class I died against is not op at all. I am sure he is bad at the game.
Bro if he's 45hp in rat then unless you're wearing full uniques/legendary and named items, he's most likely gonna gear-check you anyway. If you do have all of that, you'll likely hit >50 damage with any projectile you have including knives, francesca's etc apart from the torch itself.
@@asharedo in my kits I don’t get gear checked I’m almost exclusively wearing near BIS doesn’t matter how much damage I stack a rat can run away from my torches infinitely I’ve even had some turn into a human mid throw pick up the torch and run away it’s comical how their class is designed.
i disagree with druid because of how abuseable flying bear is. its very easy to get high and above someone and come right down on top of them as bear in a combat situation.
Cleric main here, don't forget the power of having resurrect, everyone underestimates the ability to rapidly revive teammates on the spot instead of looking for rez tables.
@@chantunh1577 I mean, it's a really useful tool I like having, I don't wanna see it nerfed. But sure chief you do you, I already have to stand perfectly still for 10 whole seconds to pull it off.
Did Rogue for solo this season and it felt pretty good. Biggest problem was the PDR fighters being able to catch me. Did double Warlock in Duo to orange rank and it was awesome at AP grinding but left a lot to be desired in pvp. Overall good tier list!
As a ranger main, I completely agree about the trios situation against cleric. What usually happens is Cleric out heals any damage I do, my frontline dies and I end up 1v2 or 1v3. I've been wishing ranger would get a perk or skill that reduces healing like a bleed or something, for a while, because cleric healing in trios is just way too strong.
I like this idea but they probably have to make it so it can only be applied to one guy at a time otherwise people will just go in with a survival bow and have famine for free lol
Bro. Thanks for speaking truth about druid. Ppl are just salty because the only way to die to druid is if he’s spent 10k gold and he’s got 300 hours and styled on you.
Slight side to cleric. Its very good with gear, but melts to issues with anti healing, getting jumped. Even silence from bard. If your fighter has a brain cell vs wiz they will block not the magic missle but the wiz's hand to cancle the cast via a bump. Problem then is getting close to do that and even a mid kit wiz with alegro can fireball spam a hallway like no tomorrow. Combined with clarity meditate ect they have such low down time.
What do you think about rangers shotgun? After hitting demigod as solo ranger I felt like a lot of my kills were from the shotgun and I still can't tell if it's too strong or not
I'm a Ranger main, so I know Traps can be OP. I'm just curious about what can replace them, I feel like for the class it's a necessary evil in solos unless there is some kind of rework. But, I do think they can definitely rework traps at the least.
Liking and subscribing for your druid take, most based thing I've ever heard. I've been saying this for ages now and people just act like I'm a psychopath, but I genuinely don't die to druids because i dont have a massive skill issue and have actually learnt how to counter them instead of just complaining.
I definitely sympathize with the druid one. I mained druid and you're just waiting for an opening that might never come and then your friends are just playing 2v3 vs a more meta combo (most likely) lol
Do you value the ability of a fighter to have a ranged option in trios at all? Since cleric is so core i think the other two characters having a ranged option is pretty important.
i think druids depends on your class, if you are a barb or rogue fighting a bear druid, it seems literally impossible to hit them without getting one tapped.
I like his take for sure, and he has some terrific points, but he also comes from a perspective of a player who is very VERY good, MAJORITY of the playerbase is not even past pathfinder, so they should pander to what most players enjoy tbh.. even if top 10% doesn’t think it is
I like your list but I dont think Rogue is an A tier class (solo) specifically because that niche you just mentioned, regarding the short range gameplay, can be copied and applied on a fighter. The fighter not only will do more damage, but they have access to sprint, and you can be a knife juggler. If a specific play style can be copied by a class thats already outperforming another one, theres a serious problem.
i think maybe both rogue and druid could be in B instead, but i do think rogue is better than fighter in the mid-close range fights where you spam throwing knives. the poison damage actually matters a lot on a mosquito build, and even though fighter has sprint, rogue can easily be 320-325 movespeed during entire fights, while sprint only has a short window of high movement speed
@@Repoze Mosquito build isn't fun, w keying and winning 90% of the time as pdr Rondel with a gap closer (sprint) is much more satisfying than 5d chess knife swap and having to aim. More of a trickster class than an assassin/rogue. Stealth and creep perks should be merged into one perk, with the nerf to creep reverted. 10 steps still requires placement and iQ to pull it off, but it can't be spammed 24/7 across the entire map. Then THE "druid/wizard/warlock is OMG OPPP" will disappear since rogues are usually their hard counter.
@@JamesMatthews-kn4sj yeah i hate the current state of rogue, but i was trying to give my unbiased opinion for this tier list, and if you play mosquito rogue with a bag full of throwing knives then the class is pretty decent in solos atm. other than that, class is pretty trash tbh
@@Repoze That's all I meant, wasn't disagreeing with you bro. Just saying, like you said. It's effective, just not in a great spot when I could play xyz and kill people while also having fun in my opinion. Rogue is in a sweat hard or auto lose spot right now, unless you love sitting still venus fly trap style. I don't mind working for kills but until we get the utility slots for throwing knives/inventory management it's exactly like your vid was. Leaving 1k multiple times cause the knives are required/equal value. Hard to move forward when I can swap to another class and get the kill with half the effort you know? I love rogue, I don't want it to be broken but I also don't want it to feel like I'm doing 3x the work for the same reward...
I think traps need to be toned back a bit in how long they last. But they shouldn't be removed. They are one of the last items in this game that can still help with out playing outnumbered fights. I personally really hope they undo the invis potions restrictions so it can be used again. These things were gutted due to solos and it hurts the original game. Agree cleric is insane in trio fights as it brings too much sustain.
if you see a ranger jump, jump aswell, 200% foolproof way to not step in their traps... or better yet take the fight elsewhere, if they follow you gg if not well look to fight somebody else. better yet dont run straight at them through the dark lmao
druid is op in solos because they don't play to fight they play to rat or 3rd party id at least say S tier a good druid just does these things but if you're a good player you just don't fight knowing that there's a druid in the lobby. the fighting aspect druids aren't really up there but the mobility and information they can get just by being everywhere in the map so fast they basically control the whole map its stupid but I get it they aren't hard to fight but a lot of druids just run most of the time.
Yeah people are tripping on druid power level. They are way too predictable. Panther needs so much agi you can instantly tell looking at a druid if they are a panther threat or not. If you try to fight in bear, literally every class just baits an attack, steps out, and pokes in. Treant is actually a very strong summon but it breaks constantly, you only have 2 charges, and its your only actual way to force someone into bear hits or away from their team, which is also super predictable. Literally the only thing left is subpar healing with no ranged and shitty gear choices that conflict with being able to cast and shift, like why weren't the druid gloves agi and magical healing? Why str and will instead of str and knowledge? You panther chicken jump in and you have no escape with the cds being so long and if you panther fight literally 80% of your deaths are bullshit because the tail is so long you arent even benefitting from panther movespeed to kite in and out. And tail hits make zero sounds so you just go from 100-0 without any clue why. Then you have to hope they dont have a dot or aoe since you have to rat shift to actually kite in and out. Its actually crazy people are saying they should be nerfed more.
some things to add Why do druids get no scalling on any of their magic besides the one attack spell. Also i am realy unsure why druids have so much restore Burnt (or however its called) health any heal campfire etc already helps with that and any reasonably geared party is not going to realy use it (Especialy not on big Spells like the Tree of life) and Frankly speaking buff the Baseline dmg of Transformations and nerf the scalling a high end Geared druid has insane dmg output already but if you dont build for it even the bear who is the big slow Heavy hitter has problems matching up any weapons dmg output
I wish they would give Kris back to Warlock and make Warlock this melee caster hybrid, because TM is cringe and unfun to play against so they just keep nerfing it
100% agree, push warlocks into a caster for tick damage and damage over time and rework phantomize so it's not such a crutch for casters force them to do a bunch of damage then melee when people get close not just perma run
@@Charlie-tq8cg Warlock should just be about kiting with their dots/dark bolts when needed, but also have viable melee options. Phantomize is cringe, but BoC is gigachad energy and more of what a class like warlock needs. Not infinite run away. A caster/magic melee hybrid is what the class needs to be, and is way more fun than cucktomize and curse of no bitches, coming from a warlock main
no, dont bring back kris, I do believe that since warlock dosent have dagger now, they should buff things like shadow touch for something like the zwei and the falcion to be better, as they are def weaker at the moment, the kris dagger was just too good for the class and made sll his other melee’s irrelevant
@@yonuke9507 I don’t care if they buff shadow touch to 5 true and 5 damage, it’s too slow and clunky to be viable on a caster hybrid, and not to mention thematically a Kris just makes so much more sense. If they force warlock to use slow heavy weapons then it just becomes a worse magic barbarian, I wouldn’t mind an arming sword, rapier, or something like that but god not the falcion
@@INFJ-ThaneTrmy friends were flaming me for playing my regular character with regular perks. But I’m just trying to get better with my normal character
The moment IM makes instruments juggling easier bard will be nerfed gigahard. Hopefully it would take them as long as quivers to implement, brothers bards
why is ranger A tier in duo solo for traps but not A tier in trios for traps? oh its because you cannot rely on your team to be patient, avoid traps, and play to your strengths.
i wish druid wasnt in the communities hitlist, the class really iant that great but i love playing it. I think it needs a rework. You need gear to even play, literally do like 10 dmg with squire gear, actually dumb
Ranger trap should just work like Achilles strike. Higher tiers should give a longer debuff. It would still suck to step in one but it wouldn’t be instant death
@@meeklynobody3230 yeah true 3 rangers stacking 8 blue traps in every doorway of a room all rocking windlasses sitting there all game is just good gameplay, nothing wrong with that. Get good and use a torch true. Great take man 👏 👏
i really dont understand why IM refuse to nerf bards armor debuff, getting 50% bonus dmg on any pve including bosses for not just yourself but your entire group is actually insanity levels of broken but since its vs pve it flies under the radar alot it seems.
Points to add: - Another reason Cleric isn't higher in solos is because Warlock isn't as oppressive as it once was, and Cleric took virtually 0 damage from curses due to pre-nerf pers and pfe. - Rat heal glitch is the main reason competitive Druids are "oppressive" when it comes to resetting. Additionally, you can get 50-60 health as a rat by stacking max health, which means torches and explosive bottles won't kill them. - I think a healthier approach to "nerfing cleric", especially in anticipation for arena, would be to nerf it slightly and bring heal Druid up to where Cleric is at so that way there is more support diversity. This way the community wouldn't feel pressured into having a single mandatory class in trios. Hence why no one complains about frontliner metas because 2-3 meta options is generally enough variety for people. It's better to have variety within a specific role rather than remove it entirely and make the game more shallow and one dimensional.
@@Cosmic_Fodder Ultimately Druid is OP in the wrong ways that are never touched, and super weak upfront. And Cleric is only complained about because it has no competition for support. There. Does that help you? :)
Repoze with genuinely the most level headed and factual take on Druids I have seen from most streamers.
You mean delusional
@@Z3RO_12E I'd like to hear on why you think that.
Bro Is still the best since freaking play tests 😮
druid main alert
So many ppl complaining and i bet they’ve never tried it
another Repoze tier list banger
ur such a fan boy
@@leodoesit i’m ridin that shiiii 🥵
@@Y4mi2599 😳
@@Y4mi2599 you play to much 😆
@@Y4mi2599 Its ok to ride the goat
your solo list is perfect im glad you mentioned that bear form is only as good as how bad the opponent is.
I think warlock solo should definitely be higher, purely because its so efficient at killing bosses and just overall survivability. Phantomize can save you from mobs, players and bosses from insta killing you, and has good ranged spells thats great at keeping people at a distance so you can avoid lots of conflicts and rat out to an escape
theyre really not good rn
They're op as fuck rn @@owo3632
warlock is fine rn, they lost their kriss and now W left click spam babies cant play lock anymore.
When it comes to your SOLO's tier list you Perfectly explained all the meta's/counters perfectly and i agree with everything you said. The ONLY thing i would change is cleric from C tier to B tier. the thing that made cleric so bad in the past was how slow you were. now that the class has speed and also the swing speed + DMG buff on the morning star. i think good cleric builds can compete with fighters even WITHOUT there divine protection off CC.
I got 2 shot by a cleric as a barb. Cleric definitely has a place still
why nerf magic healing on gear when you can just nerf torture mastery again? This is a really good list. I think I'd move solo ranger up and argue that trios caster lock is at least decent
yea the triple warlock squad with dark bolts will f anyones day up its like having a machine gun blasting across a room
Yeah but now there's no kris 😭
Solo tier list:
0:58 Barbarian
2:22 Bard
4:00 Cleric
4:54 Druid
9:12 Figther
10:32 Ranger
12:06 Rouge
13:27 Warlock
13:58 Wizard
*Rogue
@@fengo3536 it's vital that a typo be fixed from a month ago
Love the take on Druid as a Druid main , it takes skill to make it good and people say get rid of bear , rat or treant but those are the only things that make Druid good honestly
I barely play druid but it's so clear that 95% of people complaining about the class have never played it aside from jumpscaring new players in
true, whats broken fr is rondel fighter, I say this as a fighter who will never use a rondel because it literally isint fun
@@yonuke9507 sure dagger fighter good but still have not lost to it bard is better at it
@@yonuke9507brotha I use rondel on fighter and I couldn’t agree it’s fun asf and different comparing that to druids is like a bee sting to cancer. Doesn’t work
yeah overall druid is a shitty class. You can pull it up and "compensate" with skill and insane gear but then you're sitting there, with all your skill and practice and BiS gear and you're still struggling against mid geared classes that are simply just easier and better...
Respect for the comments on druid. Fair assessment, most knee jerk repeat stuff they see on reddit etc.
This is definitely the take of a mid druid which looking at your stuff confirms. Druid on the upper level needs to be toned down so once you are there then you will get it
@@IT_Technowthere is no way you just called him mid... he is one of the best solo druid players. Go ahead and go do better while recording it since druid it just "so op". You have to work harder against competent players on druid than most classes since they actually have viable range or can just w key harder.
If your complaints are about their mobility or ratting doors, you are complaining about their only real strength. Next being panthers damage but 25% increased damage basically and short range, they need to be bursty.
@@IT_Technow okay mr nobody lol. If you have problems with druid its cause youre trash just like repoze said.
@@IT_Technow druid bear can easily back you up and put you in an unplayable position, never less these people will suck anything repose says, cleric is atleast b/a tier while rouge and wizard are unplayable in solos without literal bis repoze fell off hard
The only reasonable take I've heard about druid. The community sometimes confuses skill for class. Good players cannot exist without the community calling for their class to be tanked
The problem with solos druid isn't necessarily power level, it's the same side character syndrome as old creep rogue. It's not great in a head to head 1v1, but thats why they literally never take 1v1s, they have the ability to ONLY take fights they are 90% favored in. they perma afk on the out skirts of fights until the fight is over, then just panther down whatever 50hp guy won. If a Druid sees me early into the match, if I dont insta kill him on the spot, he will just follow you for the entire game, so any fight you take throughout the match is a waste of time because you know you are getting insta panthered after the fight.
Yep, this
Ranger should have like a ice trap instead which slows you down like the one you have in World Of Warcraft, give rangers different types of traps maybe? Thanks for the video Repoze! I have no idea what class im gonna play next wipe but we'll see :D
Repoze was a goat and still is the goat. It’s crazy how you can stay on top of all the DaD players the whole time. Finally not a Druid main actually tells all that low skill players that Druid is not OP In solos. Yes you run away from fight and reset easier than other classes do. But YOU can’t KILL anyone. Panther is only good for 3rd party and dies in 3 arrows or 2 fireballs. Bear is trash, you just have to strafe back and bear can never kill you. And you tell me this class op when wizard can 2 tap ppl with fireball + zap? It’s insane how bad an average player in DaD is. Keep it up bro
druid is busted as fuck. they have the most mobility, and can literally 1 shot everything besides barb. it’s the only class i dont agree with him on in the list. a good druid beats every other class.
hes cool but he hasnt been top for a while yall gotta relax, mans not a god.
@@redworm93 They can't one shot anyone without 54 strength aka thousands of gold spent on gear.. meanwhile a barbarian with 300 gearscore can basically do the same thing, and he's not a big slow bear
@@Drikkerbadevand lmao they shouldn’t be able to one shot at all. you made my point for me lol they’re capable of everything. he can go rat/panther, then bear and bam right on top of you in a second. from almost a room away. that’s retarded lol. they need to nerf the dog shit out of the class like they did with warlock. the class is broken if you know how to use it. even if you don’t it’s still one of the strongest classes right now. it cal sanctuary with out standing still to cast it. it has better heals than a cleric with the passive heal and the overtime heal spell. it has better mobility than rogues and can legitimately one shot every class. it’s bullshit and you know it.
@@redworm93 you have zero idea what you're talking about, you're just parroting what other people say.
oh yeah, tier list content. NOW we are REALLY cooking quality content. Full watch, eyes peeled, no stopping.
impressive analysis thanks for the content!
Love the input here I watched this 3 times on repeat can’t wait !!
Never been a fan, but this tier list is actually good. W takes after W takes
its alright, as soon as wipe happens and ranger gets quiver day 1 of wipe the class will be stronger
CluegiChungusDeluxe
Quiver is not happening til like end of wipe or another wipe bro
Didn’t they say in the Q&A that quivers aren’t planned yet
Keep huffin' that copium bud
no quiver.
wow another season of wiz, bard, cleric. can't wait!
As usual, big brain player gives concise informative opinion from high levels of play. Thank you!
I decide my class choice for next wipe based entirely off what Repoze says is best, I cannot think for myself. I'm parasocial maxxing.
Man i pray multishot and traps get reworked/removed as a ranger player.
Honestly the main thing that eats you in solo ranger is the ms barb build and 3rd parties which is why i stopped doing it since i played it when ms barbs were everywhere
I definitely think that unless there are some fundamental changes to the game that arena meta will end up being solved after the first couple weeks. Considering their focus on trios it's probably gonna be some variation of buffball, which is obvious looking at the game's history. But the problem is how do you change the game so cleric or bard etc aren't mandatory in every comp because of how much utility they provide a team. It's not something they can fix with just number changes unless they nuke the classes into the ground but shouldn't be the go to option.
I mean there are other ways to nerf it indirectly
for example the Warlock spell to consume buffs can realy mess Buffball up.
but overall its not that easy also just due to the game being kinda all or nothing with stuff like speed Reviving being somewhat hard (got to find an altar revive then get back and get the gear + it takes a while)
GOAT Blessed us again. YT Repoze is an underrated Repoze
W takes. I would only slightly disagree with fighter's spot in 3s. I think a max PDR/MDR fighter with bard buffs, cleric heals, and taunt is damn near unkillable. They can shield any caster damage and even juiced barbarians are going to go down because a PDR/MDR fighter with a pocket cleric will just outlast.
I ran 330ms Barb to demi this season. It's a decent pick. It falls short on certain things but its still really good.
Great content, I main druid in solos and I've barely seen any of my kind in the dungeons. This class was quite unplayable for some time until the recent buffs, which everyone cries for nerfs now... Already there's so many counters to it, for example warlocks, if he curse of pains me. You bet I won't transform into rat form to get away because 1 tick and I am dead to the tick or poison perk rogues, 1 stack of poison and it's a huge mistake to turn into rat. Like you said very skill expressive class and so many counters. High risk high reward class, also good players can just bait out their dream walk form. It's good to see most of the classes in solos being playable and not super broken, it's rock paper scissors in solos and always will be.
Before the nerfs druid was a nightmare to play against, especially against newer players. The dreamwalk free hit spear bug was just game over in -25 lobbies
@@Froy_Oiat the same time the game should never ever ever be balanced for -25. It’s a place to level up your character and forcing fights is just silly
I think the crossbow AWP ranger can one-shot a class from above, I often play like this and every such hit to the body or head no longer seems funny
I play a lot of solo druid, and you pretty much have an entirely correct read on the class. I'd say druid is much worse than you think it is after a certain skill level, though. The main problem I have is the total lack of ranged options. I can moonfire the shit out of a barb and not even get halfway through his hp bar by the time I run out of charges. The treant is too slow, the wall sucks, and the panther is way too squishy. The only strategy I've found that can beat barbs (and it's EXTREMELY inconsistent/high skill) is bait their swing - one panther hit - Switch to rat before their second hit. One achilles' franny axe hits me and it's over. If you're already in an animal form with a DoT on you and you accidentally switch to rat, you're dead. Druid imo scales the worst with gear out of any class. The only saving grace of the class is evasiveness, which can be cut short in an instant if you take a single unlucky hit from anything while in rat. Sometimes a goblin archer will be the american fucking sniper and yoink your gearset just like that. Warlock to me is the much easier and more effective version of druid, they're so much better at the wittling-down game, have a better summon, and have insane mid-fight healing. It seems like druid was designed for the same hit and run style, but wasn't actually given any options to chip someone down before committing to a fight; it's really just waiting for them to do something horrendously stupid, get third partied, or fucking up yourself, which is really easy to do on such a wired up 300 apm jackrabbit class.
Shriek on bard def needs a nerf.
That spell turns every class into paper.
Oh no.. The person who plays the game for a living, and is considered very knowledgeable about the game says the class I died against is not op at all.
I am sure he is bad at the game.
oh noo maybe you might be bad at the game😲😲😲😲
Just look at where he ranked Druid vs Cleric. You can tell he dies a lot and likes those free revives.
@@BeebiGäng its a joke
Classic Cleric with judgement and paladin cleric with divine protection and smite 🙏🏼
if they removed +hp i'd somewhat agree with druid. but I've seen rats with like 45 HP no torch is dropping that.
Bro if he's 45hp in rat then unless you're wearing full uniques/legendary and named items, he's most likely gonna gear-check you anyway. If you do have all of that, you'll likely hit >50 damage with any projectile you have including knives, francesca's etc apart from the torch itself.
If they're running away to heal it'll be more like 7hp, but yeah they should definitely change how +hp scales with animal forms
@@asharedo in my kits I don’t get gear checked I’m almost exclusively wearing near BIS doesn’t matter how much damage I stack a rat can run away from my torches infinitely I’ve even had some turn into a human mid throw pick up the torch and run away it’s comical how their class is designed.
@@asharedo You can reach higher than 45 HP on rat in greens and blues. The max health roll is the exact same regardless of gear rarity.
i disagree with druid because of how abuseable flying bear is. its very easy to get high and above someone and come right down on top of them as bear in a combat situation.
Cleric main here, don't forget the power of having resurrect, everyone underestimates the ability to rapidly revive teammates on the spot instead of looking for rez tables.
so powerful, we should nerf a tool against third party, sure, like we dont have other problems
@@chantunh1577 I mean, it's a really useful tool I like having, I don't wanna see it nerfed. But sure chief you do you, I already have to stand perfectly still for 10 whole seconds to pull it off.
Did Rogue for solo this season and it felt pretty good. Biggest problem was the PDR fighters being able to catch me. Did double Warlock in Duo to orange rank and it was awesome at AP grinding but left a lot to be desired in pvp. Overall good tier list!
As a ranger main, I completely agree about the trios situation against cleric. What usually happens is Cleric out heals any damage I do, my frontline dies and I end up 1v2 or 1v3. I've been wishing ranger would get a perk or skill that reduces healing like a bleed or something, for a while, because cleric healing in trios is just way too strong.
I like this idea but they probably have to make it so it can only be applied to one guy at a time otherwise people will just go in with a survival bow and have famine for free lol
Great video!
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Bro. Thanks for speaking truth about druid. Ppl are just salty because the only way to die to druid is if he’s spent 10k gold and he’s got 300 hours and styled on you.
Slight side to cleric. Its very good with gear, but melts to issues with anti healing, getting jumped. Even silence from bard. If your fighter has a brain cell vs wiz they will block not the magic missle but the wiz's hand to cancle the cast via a bump. Problem then is getting close to do that and even a mid kit wiz with alegro can fireball spam a hallway like no tomorrow. Combined with clarity meditate ect they have such low down time.
What do you think about rangers shotgun? After hitting demigod as solo ranger I felt like a lot of my kills were from the shotgun and I still can't tell if it's too strong or not
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I'm a Ranger main, so I know Traps can be OP. I'm just curious about what can replace them, I feel like for the class it's a necessary evil in solos unless there is some kind of rework. But, I do think they can definitely rework traps at the least.
I see the devs really exhibit their dedication to being accurate to DnD by making Bard the strongest
Finally a good take on druid
Your Druid take bout to get you a Reddit thread. Fighter mains who’s only keybind is W is gonna seethe over this lmao
Summit1g enjoyers. I main fighter and have lost to Druid maybe 4 times this wipe only because I played like an idiot
Liking and subscribing for your druid take, most based thing I've ever heard. I've been saying this for ages now and people just act like I'm a psychopath, but I genuinely don't die to druids because i dont have a massive skill issue and have actually learnt how to counter them instead of just complaining.
I definitely sympathize with the druid one. I mained druid and you're just waiting for an opening that might never come and then your friends are just playing 2v3 vs a more meta combo (most likely) lol
Looking hefty today big big man
Do you value the ability of a fighter to have a ranged option in trios at all? Since cleric is so core i think the other two characters having a ranged option is pretty important.
Bard or wizard does range just as well as fighter and gives the speed to choose whether or not to play at range
@@hollyone75 no. bard and wizard have 1000000x better range while also providing insane utility. not "just as well" as fighter
gr8 vid. possible to have also trio and duo comps tier list? :) the most relevant one, not some meme one
i think druids depends on your class, if you are a barb or rogue fighting a bear druid, it seems literally impossible to hit them without getting one tapped.
I like his take for sure, and he has some terrific points, but he also comes from a perspective of a player who is very VERY good, MAJORITY of the playerbase is not even past pathfinder, so they should pander to what most players enjoy tbh.. even if top 10% doesn’t think it is
W video, take on druid is sooo good
I like your list but I dont think Rogue is an A tier class (solo) specifically because that niche you just mentioned, regarding the short range gameplay, can be copied and applied on a fighter.
The fighter not only will do more damage, but they have access to sprint, and you can be a knife juggler. If a specific play style can be copied by a class thats already outperforming another one, theres a serious problem.
i think maybe both rogue and druid could be in B instead, but i do think rogue is better than fighter in the mid-close range fights where you spam throwing knives. the poison damage actually matters a lot on a mosquito build, and even though fighter has sprint, rogue can easily be 320-325 movespeed during entire fights, while sprint only has a short window of high movement speed
@@Repoze Mosquito build isn't fun, w keying and winning 90% of the time as pdr Rondel with a gap closer (sprint) is much more satisfying than 5d chess knife swap and having to aim. More of a trickster class than an assassin/rogue.
Stealth and creep perks should be merged into one perk, with the nerf to creep reverted. 10 steps still requires placement and iQ to pull it off, but it can't be spammed 24/7 across the entire map.
Then THE "druid/wizard/warlock is OMG OPPP" will disappear since rogues are usually their hard counter.
@@JamesMatthews-kn4sj yeah i hate the current state of rogue, but i was trying to give my unbiased opinion for this tier list, and if you play mosquito rogue with a bag full of throwing knives then the class is pretty decent in solos atm. other than that, class is pretty trash tbh
@@Repoze That's all I meant, wasn't disagreeing with you bro. Just saying, like you said. It's effective, just not in a great spot when I could play xyz and kill people while also having fun in my opinion.
Rogue is in a sweat hard or auto lose spot right now, unless you love sitting still venus fly trap style. I don't mind working for kills but until we get the utility slots for throwing knives/inventory management it's exactly like your vid was. Leaving 1k multiple times cause the knives are required/equal value.
Hard to move forward when I can swap to another class and get the kill with half the effort you know? I love rogue, I don't want it to be broken but I also don't want it to feel like I'm doing 3x the work for the same reward...
Rogue can possibly just w key and kill like half the classes and kite/bait the other half, only real problem are fighters being tanky and versatile.
my ranger comms:"windlass headshot him" *lesser* "triple shot headshot him" *lesser* "shotgunned him hes one" *holy light*
Love you Repoze - Ken's GamGam
rogues been op for a while, they can take a seat
I think traps need to be toned back a bit in how long they last. But they shouldn't be removed. They are one of the last items in this game that can still help with out playing outnumbered fights.
I personally really hope they undo the invis potions restrictions so it can be used again. These things were gutted due to solos and it hurts the original game.
Agree cleric is insane in trio fights as it brings too much sustain.
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if you see a ranger jump, jump aswell, 200% foolproof way to not step in their traps... or better yet take the fight elsewhere, if they follow you gg if not well look to fight somebody else. better yet dont run straight at them through the dark lmao
I'm a new player, what's the margin of error on hitting the rat druid with a torch or arrow? Do you have a video showing that?
This
druid is op in solos because they don't play to fight they play to rat or 3rd party id at least say S tier a good druid just does these things but if you're a good player you just don't fight knowing that there's a druid in the lobby. the fighting aspect druids aren't really up there but the mobility and information they can get just by being everywhere in the map so fast they basically control the whole map its stupid but I get it they aren't hard to fight but a lot of druids just run most of the time.
finally a good take on druids in solos
you want ANOTHER nerf for the ranger. BRAVO. Another guy who doesnt play ranger.
no i think ranger should get buffed and hunting traps should get heavily nerfed
@@Repoze traps gotta go tbh. ranger should be able to net kills without placing 55 traps
They didnt give cleric "another" lesser heal. They gave it "back".
nice to see my favorite class is the best in the game by your margins lul
Finally a good druid take, tired of all these timmies complaining.
I love that when I do occasionally decide to sub on twitch you vanish for like a month lol
we back full-time september 6 🙏
Yeah people are tripping on druid power level. They are way too predictable. Panther needs so much agi you can instantly tell looking at a druid if they are a panther threat or not. If you try to fight in bear, literally every class just baits an attack, steps out, and pokes in. Treant is actually a very strong summon but it breaks constantly, you only have 2 charges, and its your only actual way to force someone into bear hits or away from their team, which is also super predictable. Literally the only thing left is subpar healing with no ranged and shitty gear choices that conflict with being able to cast and shift, like why weren't the druid gloves agi and magical healing? Why str and will instead of str and knowledge? You panther chicken jump in and you have no escape with the cds being so long and if you panther fight literally 80% of your deaths are bullshit because the tail is so long you arent even benefitting from panther movespeed to kite in and out. And tail hits make zero sounds so you just go from 100-0 without any clue why. Then you have to hope they dont have a dot or aoe since you have to rat shift to actually kite in and out. Its actually crazy people are saying they should be nerfed more.
some things to add
Why do druids get no scalling on any of their magic besides the one attack spell.
Also i am realy unsure why druids have so much restore Burnt (or however its called) health
any heal campfire etc already helps with that and any reasonably geared party is not going to realy use it (Especialy not on big Spells like the Tree of life)
and Frankly speaking buff the Baseline dmg of Transformations and nerf the scalling a high end Geared druid has insane dmg output already but if you dont build for it even the bear who is the big slow Heavy hitter has problems matching up any weapons dmg output
1 shot bear + flight = garbage class just saying. this guys a druid main
@@Cosmic_Fodder yeah if you get hit by bear m2 that's mispositioning. But spread more garbage reddit opinions.
@@Cosmic_Fodder get your own opinion instead of vomiting the same BS others are, 0 idea what you're talking about
Thanks poze
This list is perfect sans the Warlock change immediately following its creation. Bumps Warlock back up to A or S for solos.
Ranger traps have definitely been the most annoying thing in the game imo forever 😂
Anyone know of what to pair with caster warlock this wipe? Willing to play anything
hey man are you expecting and if so when are you due???? big fan
I wish they would give Kris back to Warlock and make Warlock this melee caster hybrid, because TM is cringe and unfun to play against so they just keep nerfing it
100% agree, push warlocks into a caster for tick damage and damage over time and rework phantomize so it's not such a crutch for casters force them to do a bunch of damage then melee when people get close not just perma run
@@Charlie-tq8cg Warlock should just be about kiting with their dots/dark bolts when needed, but also have viable melee options. Phantomize is cringe, but BoC is gigachad energy and more of what a class like warlock needs. Not infinite run away. A caster/magic melee hybrid is what the class needs to be, and is way more fun than cucktomize and curse of no bitches, coming from a warlock main
Not that anything is wrong with curse of pain, TM is just kinda cringe
no, dont bring back kris, I do believe that since warlock dosent have dagger now, they should buff things like shadow touch for something like the zwei and the falcion to be better, as they are def weaker at the moment, the kris dagger was just too good for the class and made sll his other melee’s irrelevant
@@yonuke9507 I don’t care if they buff shadow touch to 5 true and 5 damage, it’s too slow and clunky to be viable on a caster hybrid, and not to mention thematically a Kris just makes so much more sense. If they force warlock to use slow heavy weapons then it just becomes a worse magic barbarian, I wouldn’t mind an arming sword, rapier, or something like that but god not the falcion
hey man, maybe a little word about different lobbies, me and the bois like -25
I would only put ranger higher in solos and fighter higher in trios, apart from that you cooked so hard holy
so what you telling us is bard need to be nerfed? , it little silly the team buffer class is the best solo class that probably need to change.
Hoping rangers get some arrow variation like poison or elemental.
Agree with everything but I would swap bard and wizard in duos.
Suhhhhhh, sorffs up dudddddee🏄
didnt stream a second of multiclasing, blocked, unfollowed, deplatformed
multiclass 😴
Multiclass is a joke
@@INFJ-ThaneTrmy friends were flaming me for playing my regular character with regular perks. But I’m just trying to get better with my normal character
@@INFJ-ThaneTrI mean it was fun it was cool
multiclass is still the same thing as last time so yes boring.
feels bad playing cleric solos this whole wipe
devs love to buff cleric it is absurd. it is the most op class in trios since forever
Thx for letting these people know that Druid is not OP. People don’t know what they’re talking about
The moment IM makes instruments juggling easier bard will be nerfed gigahard. Hopefully it would take them as long as quivers to implement, brothers bards
But reddit told me warlock is op! qqqqqq
why is ranger A tier in duo solo for traps but not A tier in trios for traps? oh its because you cannot rely on your team to be patient, avoid traps, and play to your strengths.
repoze meow tier list next pls
Solo druid meat riding is insane
i wish druid wasnt in the communities hitlist, the class really iant that great but i love playing it. I think it needs a rework. You need gear to even play, literally do like 10 dmg with squire gear, actually dumb
Ranger trap should just work like Achilles strike. Higher tiers should give a longer debuff. It would still suck to step in one but it wouldn’t be instant death
best take on traps I've ever heard, get this guy to korea asap
Ranger traps should be an ability with non-replenishable charges.
@@jirilaska9788 bad take. devs will prob do this ong
Get good and use a torch and stack Reg interaction, jump over them be more aware of your surroundings.
@@meeklynobody3230 yeah true 3 rangers stacking 8 blue traps in every doorway of a room all rocking windlasses sitting there all game is just good gameplay, nothing wrong with that. Get good and use a torch true. Great take man 👏 👏
Solo Cleric got his nuts cut off and it's painful
Bard being S in everything lmao
Bard is S tier in solo and only gets stronger the more players you have on your team. I’m a bard main
6:40 is a classic
you just want to mess with solar at this point
i really dont understand why IM refuse to nerf bards armor debuff, getting 50% bonus dmg on any pve including bosses for not just yourself but your entire group is actually insanity levels of broken but since its vs pve it flies under the radar alot it seems.
Atrocious take 💀
Points to add:
- Another reason Cleric isn't higher in solos is because Warlock isn't as oppressive as it once was, and Cleric took virtually 0 damage from curses due to pre-nerf pers and pfe.
- Rat heal glitch is the main reason competitive Druids are "oppressive" when it comes to resetting. Additionally, you can get 50-60 health as a rat by stacking max health, which means torches and explosive bottles won't kill them.
- I think a healthier approach to "nerfing cleric", especially in anticipation for arena, would be to nerf it slightly and bring heal Druid up to where Cleric is at so that way there is more support diversity. This way the community wouldn't feel pressured into having a single mandatory class in trios. Hence why no one complains about frontliner metas because 2-3 meta options is generally enough variety for people. It's better to have variety within a specific role rather than remove it entirely and make the game more shallow and one dimensional.
thats a lot of words to say nothing
@@Cosmic_Fodder Ultimately Druid is OP in the wrong ways that are never touched, and super weak upfront. And Cleric is only complained about because it has no competition for support.
There. Does that help you? :)
where's the best multiclass tier list?