Would love to play a game with Bjorn, Murderfang, 2 ballistus, 2 brutalis, 2 redemptors, 2 wulfen dreads and at least a couple of techmarines plus some other stuff to round points out. May have trouble doing actions and scoring but it sounds a lot of fun.
Really excited to try this detachment with my Black Templars. Got an Astreus that should have some fun with all the vehicle buffing combos. Shooting back when reduced to half and auto explode seem extra spicy if it gets focused. Also Helbrecht already crits on 5s, so using the sustained strat on him in a unit with a Lieutenant for lethal hits means his unit is just as deadly in the BT detachment.
few days behind in seeing this, but I ran an Raven Guard Ironstorm list the other day and found it to be extremely fun (including winning against a gladius list)
Fielding my first true Iron Hands list in 10th this sunday. The Astraeus is coming out of the garage. Not because it is particularly good, but because it's effing awesome. With a Repulsor Executioner, Redemptor, Gladiator Reaper and a Vindicator as backup, along with 6 agressors (and still 265pts left to add), these orks wont know what hit em!
I'm planning on building a space wolves force with 3 Redemptors (2 plasma 1 heavy onslaught gatling), 3 Space Wolves venerable dreads with axes and shields, 2 Ballistus dreads, a scout squad, 3 techmarines, Murderfang and Bjorn the Fell-Handed as warlord. Basically throw the venerable dreads, Murderfang and Bjorn in melee, and the rest shoot from the back. 1 techmarine back, two front with the melees, scout does objectives. Game plan - shoot whatever moves, and when it stops moving - shoot it again.
Master of Machine War may not be optimal on the combi-lieu. You probably don't want him tied to your vehicles but rather on objective play. Still trying to figure out myself which character would be better suited with the enhancement. Great video btw!
So you can't get a 1up save but bjorn half damage 5up feel no pain and a blank a save sounds like something you just don't bother to shoot at. Murderfang hitting on 2s lethal hits twin linked t10 6+ feel no pain is a Chad
Question about the whirlwind indirect (and indirect in general). Since the indirect fire penalty (being -1hit and adds benefit of cover) is technically a modifier, would the "unbowed conviction" Strat negate those penalties as well? So after a blessing by the techmarine, you'd hit on a 2+?
I'll be using a list soon with 2 mini dreads and 2 redemptors. A unit I've taken which will combo very well. Is a unit of incursors. For 2+ to hit rerolling 1's 🤯
For clarity, are you saying, if my techmarine is with 6” of my Gladiator, and I’m targeting a unit below starting strength, using the mercy is weaknesses stratagem, I would be getting sustained hits on a 5+ and because my techmarine has the upgrade, these would be lethal hits as well?
But you wouldnt want lethal hits on a devastating wounds gun. Auto wound completely negates the ability to break saves, and its already got twin linked for the rerolls. Against infantry, i know what Id prefer
Cannot boost a redemptor to a 1+ save per the rules commentary. Please pin a post saying that doesn't work before people try and use it and say "vanguard tactics says it works"
This of course is a true statement... however in the rules commentary under modifying characteristics Armor can never be made into a 1+ So redemptors and any 2+ save thing cannot benefit from the armor save portion of that strat. @@VanguardTactics
@@artemisquinn I just read the section you were referring to, rules as written you are correct, intended I’m not so sure as majority of walkers with the exception of the invictus warsuit have a 2+ save. So therefore begs the question as to the intent behind the stratagem.
All of the other parts are useful... You don't get peak effectiveness on a redemptor but it isn't like it isn't a useful strat. A lot of detachments would pay a cp for the same strat without the save part... This just makes invictors more interesting rather than this being the "redemptor strat". @@VanguardTactics
Except it does against Ap-1 or higher like cover saves can. So the +1 save completely ignores a full pip of AP. This means, if the dread is in cover and has been buffed can ignore two pips of ap. So an ap2 weapon would still be a 2+ save
I’m really looking forward to the stormlance video. I’m thinking inceptors, skyclaws and Thunderwolves.
Would love to play a game with Bjorn, Murderfang, 2 ballistus, 2 brutalis, 2 redemptors, 2 wulfen dreads and at least a couple of techmarines plus some other stuff to round points out. May have trouble doing actions and scoring but it sounds a lot of fun.
Oops all Dreadnaughts
Dont forget the captain of dreads, carab culln. Dudes a beefcake, doesnt suffer penalty to hit in melee, has a d4 claw and has the 0cp free stratgem!
I’m a spacewolf player and love dreadnoughts so this is definitely the detachment for me.
I own 9 dreads total and two techmarines. I cant wait to get them all built to play this army. It may not be strong but it sure looks fun
Really excited to try this detachment with my Black Templars. Got an Astreus that should have some fun with all the vehicle buffing combos. Shooting back when reduced to half and auto explode seem extra spicy if it gets focused.
Also Helbrecht already crits on 5s, so using the sustained strat on him in a unit with a Lieutenant for lethal hits means his unit is just as deadly in the BT detachment.
few days behind in seeing this, but I ran an Raven Guard Ironstorm list the other day and found it to be extremely fun (including winning against a gladius list)
Heavens to Betsy, Gladiator Reaper getting sustained hits 2 on 5s against infantry with lethal hits and devastating wounds is utter filth 😂
Oh, and twin linked on the gatling cannon too. Deleting infantry units for fun
Except lethal hits is utterly a waste on it. Cant proc devastating wounds on auto wounding shots. I know what Id prefer against infantry.
watching this im just reslly happy seeing you guys talk about the blood angels angle
buffing up a death company dread and both furioso dreads
Fielding my first true Iron Hands list in 10th this sunday.
The Astraeus is coming out of the garage. Not because it is particularly good, but because it's effing awesome.
With a Repulsor Executioner, Redemptor, Gladiator Reaper and a Vindicator as backup, along with 6 agressors (and still 265pts left to add), these orks wont know what hit em!
Wouldn't mercy is weakness give the sustained hits on 5+ for vehicles as sustained hits is each critical hit scored?
I'm planning on building a space wolves force with 3 Redemptors (2 plasma 1 heavy onslaught gatling), 3 Space Wolves venerable dreads with axes and shields, 2 Ballistus dreads, a scout squad, 3 techmarines, Murderfang and Bjorn the Fell-Handed as warlord.
Basically throw the venerable dreads, Murderfang and Bjorn in melee, and the rest shoot from the back. 1 techmarine back, two front with the melees, scout does objectives.
Game plan - shoot whatever moves, and when it stops moving - shoot it again.
Needs carab culln for the 0cp free stratgem. Hes also a beast across the board
Master of Machine War may not be optimal on the combi-lieu. You probably don't want him tied to your vehicles but rather on objective play. Still trying to figure out myself which character would be better suited with the enhancement. Great video btw!
Use dark angels and throw it on the talonmaster 👀
So you can't get a 1up save but bjorn half damage 5up feel no pain and a blank a save sounds like something you just don't bother to shoot at.
Murderfang hitting on 2s lethal hits twin linked t10 6+ feel no pain is a Chad
Question about the whirlwind indirect (and indirect in general). Since the indirect fire penalty (being -1hit and adds benefit of cover) is technically a modifier, would the "unbowed conviction" Strat negate those penalties as well? So after a blessing by the techmarine, you'd hit on a 2+?
It would negate the -1 to hit but not the cover save as thats a modifier to saving throws.
Don't overlook the classic dreadnoughts to buff supporting infantry units with wisdom of the Ancients.
I'll be using a list soon with 2 mini dreads and 2 redemptors. A unit I've taken which will combo very well. Is a unit of incursors. For 2+ to hit rerolling 1's 🤯
For clarity, are you saying, if my techmarine is with 6” of my Gladiator, and I’m targeting a unit below starting strength, using the mercy is weaknesses stratagem, I would be getting sustained hits on a 5+ and because my techmarine has the upgrade, these would be lethal hits as well?
Yes
But you wouldnt want lethal hits on a devastating wounds gun. Auto wound completely negates the ability to break saves, and its already got twin linked for the rerolls. Against infantry, i know what Id prefer
You can't use the free re roll hit, wound or dmg once per phase from the detachment on the deadly demise D6 dmg right?
They cannot. Unless something changed since I last read the ruling on it.
Aurora Chapter woohoo!
CP auto explode is back baby!
The super power of the 4+ fnp is that it's only 10 points so it'll get jammed on a lot of lists just to hit 2k
Cannot boost a redemptor to a 1+ save per the rules commentary.
Please pin a post saying that doesn't work before people try and use it and say "vanguard tactics says it works"
A 1 would still always fail.
This of course is a true statement... however in the rules commentary under modifying characteristics Armor can never be made into a 1+ So redemptors and any 2+ save thing cannot benefit from the armor save portion of that strat.
@@VanguardTactics
@@artemisquinn I just read the section you were referring to, rules as written you are correct, intended I’m not so sure as majority of walkers with the exception of the invictus warsuit have a 2+ save. So therefore begs the question as to the intent behind the stratagem.
All of the other parts are useful... You don't get peak effectiveness on a redemptor but it isn't like it isn't a useful strat. A lot of detachments would pay a cp for the same strat without the save part... This just makes invictors more interesting rather than this being the "redemptor strat".
@@VanguardTactics
Except it does against Ap-1 or higher like cover saves can. So the +1 save completely ignores a full pip of AP. This means, if the dread is in cover and has been buffed can ignore two pips of ap. So an ap2 weapon would still be a 2+ save
I've got a one word review for you: STRONK
Mercy is Weakness + Impulsor with Sternguard inside and Sternguard Bolter/Heavy Bolter , Works quiet well. Dev Wounds on 5s.
Are you sure for dev wounds on 5 ?
Kinda sucks that they basically took ad mech 9th and made it a space marine detachment :/ #admechplayer