When I first started collecting plants, I was desperate for the Albo. But once I learned about the unstable variegation, I decided to go with the Thai just because I didn’t want that stress! Now, I’m completely in love with a Thai Constellation, it’s beautiful!
Hi will you please Tell where to go online to find A Thai I live in Ohio in the states and we haven't seen any sign of Thia or Albos that's my Big time wish list plant. Thanks for sharing I needed to hear what you had to say Kaylee
I have a teeny tiny TC thai con. Its put out two leaves and lost one and I already love it, cant wait until I get those massive 3ft leaves on mine. Just another 5 years lol
Came here to say that. My local nursery has Thai cons in 4 inch pots for about $60 which is more than Kroger but I always have excellent success with their plants and sometimes Kroger lets me down.
You say “no one asked for my opinion”….Kaylee! We are actually here on your videos for just exactly that! YOUR OPINION! 😂 I mean I appreciate all the non opinion info too BUT on your own personal RUclips channel there is almost always going to be some personal opinion/experience. You are my favorite plant RUclipsr! 😘
Hi Kaylee ! I own a 1.0 TC, received it summer 2018 (Canada, Montreal) with 2-leaves 4 inches and root rots from the shop ....I rescued it, Today it's a big tree in my living room, never had pests, a lot of variegations , no drama in 5 years ! LOVE my Berta !
I live in the same general area and the cutting I bought from another collector is fantastic! One of the easiest plants in my collection. Actually, I'd never heard of people having difficulties with ''Thai Constellation'' before this video but I've been out of the loop for a while.
thai 1.0 here and I can confirm it's basically an iron clad plant. Very low maintenance, doesn't even need a ton of light, keeps getting bigger and better with time-it's become one of my favorite plants.
Yessss mine has be super strong too. I’ve heard people online who have gone through multiple that haven’t even made it through acclimation. I’m so glad I got a sturdier strain because there’s no way I could afford that. Meanwhile my little champ pops out a new leaf every few weeks that even bigger and prettier than that last 💚
I got my Thai in late 2019 from your shop, it was my absolute dream plant and 3 years later it's still my favorite plant of my entire collection, she's just so beautiful and tough, which makes me believe I got a 1.0 one ! I love her so freaking much and I love the fact that she comes from you as well :) Cheers from France Kaylee, I'm a big fan of your work and I can't wait to try your fertilizer once it's out !
Tried commenting earlier but it didn’t go through, glad you were able to get it back up. I have a “1.0” from 2018 and a “2.0” that was purchased as a tiny baby in 2021 they are night and day, the 1.0 sits on top of a bookcase and is often forgotten to be watered week after week, the “2.0” needs all the light, all the humidity and all the maintenance.
I paid $260 for a 2 leaf Albo rooted cutting that was labeled as having "high" variegation; I paid more for the higher variegation. All the pictures the seller showed of the Albos for sale, showed very nice high marbled variegation, which is what I thought i was getting. What I got was a plant that has one leaf that was pure white and the other was 70% pure all white variegation with a little green. I messaged the seller letting her know I did not receive what I was expecting and she said it was my fault because I did not specify wanting more "marbled" variegation. So, yes, I only recommend buying from a seller that posts pictures of the exact plant you're wanting to buying. Edit: I ordered and got the plant in October of last year (2022).
The small form Monstera deliciosa does actually get quite big too. Ofc not as big as the large form, but my variegated small form has 27¨ leaves (68cm). Plus, if you give it high light, the internodial spacing will get very narrow. Mine has internodial spaces that are almost as tight as my Thai's. Thats 100% down to the amount of light. Less light = more internodial space, because the plant just simply tries to reach more light quicker.
Light spectrum also has an effect on internodal length. Cold white (blue) will tend to shorten it and warm white (red) will tend to yield longer internodal length or larger leaves (different species react differently).
I just got a Thai for Valentine's Day . She is quite large already. It is very healthy. My husband payed 300$ for it . Iv had been waiting for prices to come down but after three years still NO price shift yet so ....he did buy the Thai at a garden center in our town . Thanks for the video
Here in Brazil, one of the big suppliers has just released Thai for the first time ever. It went from 0 plants available to being mass-produced. Unfortunately (for me), it is priced at around R$ 900,00 (£145). So I'm waiting a bit and saving up to buy it. Albo have been available for a long time in some online stores, for around R$1000,00. I was waiting for the prices to go down, but now that Thai is available from a very good and reliable supplier, I will surely get the Thai.
in colombia I am very fortunate enough to have access to both a Thai and albo monstera. I bought my Thai for 85000 Colombian pesos which is roughly $17 us and I just purchased a beautiful albo for $250000 Colombian pesos which is $51 us. Honestly location plays a huge role in price and availability.
I like the monstera Burle Marx Flame better than the variegates but here in Florida it is about 500.00 dollars. I think someone would make alot of profit if it was tissue cultured.
The reason costa thought they could win was their ability to mass produce with a larger vector than if the lab had upscaled once costa succeeded. To explain further, we know the lab limits production to increase profits while reducing variable costs but costa's fixed overhead and manufacturing capacity is already so massive that introducing a new plant is only profitable, with no downside. The lab would have to drum up capital and initiate the production cycle extremely quickly to keep up with costa (had costa succeeded). It seems someone in the lab may have been savvy to costa's plan and sabatoged their supply
I wish more people understood how Thais work. I had someone refuse a trade because they didn’t want a Thai constellation that was from tissue culture, but they wanted a Thai constellation which doesn’t make sense
The whole TC vs nonTC was such a headache too, it’s still the same plant and the only way some people even know it’s TC is if they do their research on the company that sold it which we know few will actually do.
I watched your video 3 years ago, found a monstera Albo by chance in my local shop and shelled out the most money I’ve ever spent on a plant! I still love it, have sold cuttings and made all my money back. I really appreciate your side by side comparison and how fun to see you revisit this topic.
I have no idea which version of Thai I have, I imported 2 as pretty big plants last year from Thailand, they looked like top cuttings. I propagated them both multiple times and never lost a cutting. They live in soil in self-watering pots with roots all over the reservoir in pretty low light but both grow like weeds, no rot, no problems... I feel I might've lucked out and got cuttings from 1.0? I must say I was feeling smug when everyone was complaining about root rot but I guess it wasn't due to my skill after all :)
Thank you for this Kaylee, I'm wanting to buy a Monstera Thai Con but so stressed because of how much it costs plus all the ppl talking about how much its prone to root rot. Also your videos just lift my heart and make my day better 🌱💚
I would say go for it if you find a decently priced one with the kind of varigation you like and you are doing good with other Monsteras 😄My Thai is one of the easiest and fast growing plants I have, had zero problems with it. So get a small one if you can they size up super quickly. But they do like more water then a green deliciosa in my experience
I grow a bunch of these Thai Constellations in FL you dont have to water alot. Just put them in very loose mix and put them on a moss pole or even wood pole/branch. They send out roots everywhere to latch on the pole. You can mist those roots. I have left these out in the yard in the sun and ignored them for months. I have put them in the greenhouse and not heated that greenhouse unless it dropped below 32F (freezing) they are tougher than people think. I've had mine since 2008.
Thank you for responding 🌱 my minds made up now so just need to wait till pay day then Thai shopping for me am I better going for a baby plant or a well rooted cutting ? 💚
@@mabonniejungle....7851 In my opinion I would get the most established plant you can afford if you are new to rooting plants. I dont find mosteras hard to root IF you get a decent cutting. The problem is there are many sellers (ebay, etsy etc)that sell a teeny tiny stem with barely a node on it. Then people undestandably fail and then lose confindence in their ability to root plants..and it may not have even been the buyers fault. Get a potted rooted plant if you can and then you can experiment rooting from that mother plant later.
If you get a cutting an it starts rotting, lay it out in the air too dry. My was rotting an I laid it out about 4,5 hours an never had another issue. Good luck in getting your new baby.
I got super lucky this year with an Albo I bought a three leave top cut for $45 usd and I love her 😍 just chopped her and the cutting are growing so fast with beautiful variegation! I really got lucky 😂
I’ve only acquired any variegated monstera in the last 6 months or so. I was lucky enough to purchase a 3 leaf rooted albo top cutting from Barry Schwartz for $85. I got my first Thai a couple days ago as a little TC baby for $30. Looking back at the beginning of my collecting journey I’m super stoked to have acquired both of these lovely plants for a reasonable rate.
I have a thai from 2012 that is awesome I've taken many cuttings from it over the years with 100% success. I did buy another thai for my office in 2021 it was rubbish kept rotting back, I ended up taking another cutting off my main to replace it
I got my Thai a couple years ago as a rooted propagation from a local plant person. I'm pretty sure the mother was an early Thai because mine is bothered by nothing. And it doesn't have all the big sectoral variagation that the new Thai's have, just covered in speckles with the occasional bigger fleck of cream. It's still one of my favorite plants in my collection!
Maybe the supplier swapped the mother plants out for some more variegated mothers but the ones with more variegation are less tough. 🤔 I also bought a cutting last year from a private seller and I believe it to be a Thai from an old batch. I tried propagating it and I was getting in there with a scalpel. But I only lost one propagation so far and now I have like 6 little Thais lol
In Canada you can get 3 leaf 4” Thai for between $75-100. I have three Albo’s - each with three leaves, high variegation, two with fenestrations, and paid between $200-250 for each. I’m an Albo king all the way. Like you said: ‘if you’re wanting the pristine white sectoral variegation, there’s only one plant to choose!’ Thanks for another great video Kaylee.
I bought a Thai cutting with 3 leave and she lost all of her leaves that she came with but she is very happy now pushing out her 6th leaf living in my ikea cabinet.
I just got a beautiful albo from my local garden centre they had 100s it's a nice size and load of variegation! I can send you picture of the display 🤣 it was beautiful!
So I own a ''Thai Constellation'' which I bought myself as a Christmas gift in 2021. Bought it as a rooted middle node cutting from a guy who also got his mother plant as a cutting himself. I was stressed at first because he was growing it semi-hydro in cedar mulch which is a technique I'd never heard of before but since I knew the plant's roots were water-adapted, I decided to plant it in a vase filled with my homemade chunky mix and filled it with water. If this thing's roots were to rot, I'm pretty sure it would have happened then. Instead, the water level slowly decreased and the plant started growing. 2-3 months later, I had to repot it in an actual pot with drainage holes which I kept it in for about 6 months before it was time to repot again. Now it's getting to be quite big and I know I'll be propagating it this spring before it becomes root bound. I'll grow the top cutting into a monster for my apartment, keep a few mother plants for propagation and sell the others. The Thai is one of my very favourites plants because it's stunning, it's such an easy plant, it reacts very well to light which makes it highly rewarding! The fact that it behaves exactly like my green deliciosa gives me hope because I should be able to get to 2-3 foot wide leaves when my plant will be 2-3 years old. Also, I've observed that giving a lot of light to my Thai seems to have increased variegation... this might be a bad explanation and it might be related to maturation instead, I won't know until I grow many cuttings of this same mother plant in different settings. One thing is certain though, more light yields more fenestration! I'll get an albo and an aurea if I ever encounter their XL versions at a reasonable price..!
In the US, at least in the Midwest, huge batches of 3-4 leaf 4” Thai constellation babies are being released for around $70-100 which is much cheaper than they were going for during the pandemic, and they have really decent variegation. A few years ago it was nearly impossible to find Thai and if you did it would usually be a very large plant for $1000+ dollars.😅
I would love to see the difference and know more about the differences in older vs newer Thais bc I recently got one and I bet that’s why the leafs are coming in slightly wonky.
In Canada, I just paid $125 for a fresh one leaf albo cutting with decent variegation. It has bright white chunks and spatter in one half of the leaf. This is the cheapest I've seen an albo cutting with decent variegation and size in years. Thai I haven't seen under $200 locally.
My Thai was my first variegated monstera and I had no idea what I was doing but she is SO tough. I chopped her like a year ago and she propagated so easily; I left them in water with some normal monstera props and kind of forgot about it and got the most lovely new baby, and I’ve not lost any leaves!! My 3 albo are much more fickle; 2 are slowly reverting so definitely appreciate the easiness of the tc.
There are very few instances of a company cornering the market like Costa Farms tried to do where they wanted to reduce the price of a product. It is usually done to make sure no one else has the product so they can raise the price as high as they want. That is what a monopoly does and I believe that is what Costa farms was after.
Except that is exactly what Costa Farms does time and time again. They are all about mass production marketed to big box stores that don’t do high end plants. Their whole business model is about volume. I don’t know that they were trying to “corner the market” so much as produce enough stock for their type of supply chain.
Meh, the Thai Con. is already so much out there, I doubt that that was actually what they wanted to do. What you say makes sense if the plant isn't already super available and thousands of stores world wide carry and sell it.
I have 4 Thai Con now. All from Steve’s Leaves (hope I can say that). All I believe $99 (or maybe $150). And now I have just bought 3 More Philodendron White Princess (3 of them) for $30 each. I’m hearing White Knights and have seen Pink Princess at my local grocery stores as well. USA
High variegates are showing up in plant shops in Norway but prices are killing :( The good side is that you get more than 1 plant in a pot in a dicent size - usually above 1 meter. For that pleasure you have to pay above 300 punds
Dear Kaylee, thank you for the video! Based upon the information you just served us, I think I have Thai 1.0. I purchased it last summer and it had 7 leaves, each around 50 cm (~20 ") and they shipped it in a lawn mower's box. It was already huge. Took the place of a whole backseat in the car - the seat was flipped back. So I'm guessing it was grown in 2019 or earlier to be this big in 2022. That was the first time I saw them selling in my country in a webshop. I wanted one for at least 3 years. And the price was only around 220 EUR (it was still expensive for my wallet, but I did not wanted this chance to slip away). It was so worth it!
My 2019 Thai constellation is seriously so tough. It’s been neglected and ignored and she’s still kicking! I moved her to a new pot and a new location and she’s very happy
Albo used to go for around $800-$1k in 2020 here in New Zealand, now for the same size/cutting or whatever, it's probably around $100-$250 by the end of 2022
I recently just bought a highly variegated albo cutting that was fully rooted for $80. I wasn’t into plants during the pandemic, but I know that what I have would’ve probably cost $200 then
I want a Thai only, but I have to wait about 5 years. I have ZERO room for a Thai in my house, but we are saving up to move. You can bet I will be eyeing houses who can handle that gorgeous beastie!
In France Albo are sometimes available in garden centers, not expensive and with excellent variegation. Last time I saw one it was a long vine with 6-7 small but perfectly marbled leaves for slightly less than 100€.
I bought a Thai Constallation for relatively cheap (about 80 Euros) from an importer in Thailand late 2019 and the plant is super hardy. It's a very slow grower but I'd say it's even easier than my normal Monstera small form. I was super scared when everyone was having issues with root rot and what not, but I guess I just was lucky and got a Thai 1.0. It even survived a massive Thrips plague and being neglected during a high stress period in my life.
@@marevercammen200 Oh, it's not due for trim and I have no experience in shippings plants, so sadly no. But I can give you the exporter that I used back then.
Our garden store usually has 2 or 3 albo cuttings, and they also have this quite big, reallyyy nice albo with high variegation that’s been sitting there for about a year now. It’s 200€, so that’s probably why no one has bought it yet.
In the US (Florida), we are still having to purchase both plants from Etsy, individuals, or specialty plant stores that deal with high end plants. We can't get them from the big box stores or just any plant store. The Albo's are running around $150 to $200+. The Thai's are hard to get unless it is just a node which runs around $50+. A potted Thai is running around several hundred dollars to over $10,000 dollars. They are all over the board. It all depends on the variegation. Thank you so much for the informative video. It was very interesting to watch and learn from.
16:34 Monstera Albo is definitely still insanity over here in the US. I purchased a 1 leaf cutting ON DISCOUNT for damages late last year for $100 😭😭 On the bright side, it’s been rooting since September and I’m planning on potting her up early next week! 😁
@@sterkfpv2192 I wish I could find any albo node for under $50. I’m not paying $50 for a maybe, especially considering you don’t know what kind of variegation it will have.
Up here in Canada, albo cuttings are still going for about $80-100 and a small 3-4 leaves ''Thai Constellation'' goes for about the same price. There must be deals popping from time to time, but I've stopped watching Marketplace everyday like I used to, so I wouldn't know. The bubble definitely has bursted though, I have very little hope to break even with my collection by selling cuttings unless I sell my Spiritus which is definitely not happening. It was a stupid buy, but I'm so stoked to see it mature now that I have it!
Recently found a small form albo for €30 with 4 leafs. In other garden centres it's still around €140. I have a normal large form so I wouldn't get a thai anytime soon, since I don't have the space for 2 large forms. I recently sold my giant small form since getting the albo.
This video was SO helpful! I’m a newbie collector, and I do love the look of the Albo. But with your little key points it seems as though I should go with the Thai 🤔
I am from Miami and you can see so many pothos climbing trees and walls that grow leaves bigger than most people's indoor monsteras. I wonder what these rare monsteras would look like if they got to be in nature.
US based here. Both are still incredibly expensive in my area. Last year I recieved a Thai cutting as a gift. It was $300 and died almost immediately. Last month I saw, for the first time, a Thai in 2 different local nurseries, 6"pot, priced $350 & $400. I've still never seen an albo in real life.
I bought a baby thai from Ben after your video unboxing yours a few years ago. I am guessing this is Thai 1.0 as mine is hardy as heck and lives in a very cold room of the house! I would say it's hardier than my regular small form monstera!
I got a rooted cutting of TC with two leafs a few weeks ago from a local seller for 65€ (Germany) :) I bought two albo cuttings a few years ago, each 45€
I’ve wanted a Thai but I’ve heard about how difficult they are lately and I currently have a rule where I don’t bring fussy plants into my home. Considering I have no way for f knowing whether it’s the tough or weak one I’ll save my money for now. I’m bummed though, I definitely prefer the Thai to the albo.
I have found the Thai Constellation way less likey to revert than the other variegated monsteras. I have never had any of my Thai revert. I have several since 2008..Mine are huge. They grow slow until a certain point then they take off. I am in Florida, US
Here in the US, my local plant store has both but the price to size is crazy. Small clippings for the Thai are $120 but the albo are medium size, around 2-3 ft, and are $200
I have five of the smaller green monstera, which fit perfectly in the space where I want them to be. Bought them at a fairly nice size for $5 each. So I'm not interested in paying a high price for any variegated ones. There was a huge craze for philodendron pink princess, but I found their variegation to be unimpressive. I got a nice p. Prince of Orange for $15 that's really healthy and looks beautiful.
I have purchased a Thai constellation. It had 70% off and is a 6cm pot and I’ll let you know what it does, I’m a bit scared I’m gonna receive a plant that needs rehabilitation and I’m inexperienced with that 😬
Thank you for explaining why the mass producers are releasing the low varigated plants -> it just happens with white wizards here in Canada - the first two batches were small and low variations but the longer we waited the better they got :-)
During the pandemic Thai Con prices here in Thailand also went crazy and people start naming Thai Cons "Creme Brulee" and "Gold" and all sorts of names. Luckily prices stabilized around last year although some people still make crazy money from biddings.
All the extra names are sooo ridiculous and so unhelpful and confusing to the hobbyist community. I'm a botanist so i prefer to use scientifically accepted names and officially registered trademark/patented cultivar names
I’m starting to see a bunch of thais I’m my local plant shops and they are smaller cuttings that go for about 60 dollars. Monstera albos I haven’t really seen anywhere here
Thai 2.0 ‘weakness’, especially propagation related makes sense. If they can make a version that doesn’t propagate, it keeps integrity of pricing and people coming back to them for more. 🤷♀️
Looking at the snippets of the old vids - you upped your make up game a lot. Looks more confident / business-y. One of my Monsteras is a Thai wannabe (hints of variegation). There was a wave of large Monteras flooding the market over here (I live next to the Netherlands) for cheap. Think they attempted TC with variegated large forms and those were the plants that failed.
…and I’m from Hawaii, we use large form Deliciosa as LANDSCAPING borders. The MASSIVE sized ones are literally everywhere here. Although we get Gold Pothos (epipremnum aureum) that also gets to the same size and even fenestrated when it gets big and climbs up trees here just all over.
I received my Tai this morning from Florida. $81 USA. It’s a “Starter Plant” from my go to shop. I’m waiting for my wish list plants to show up there for >100. It’s hard to wait, but it’s been a consistently good experience. I watched a very expensive Albo node rot slowly. It hurt me.
I bought a 2 leaf high variegated rooted monstera albo mid January. It won't ship until March. After watching this video my guess is she didn't cut the mother plant until after my purchase. So it will root by March. 🤔
Got burned twice on Etsy buying Albo. Both times seller uploaded fake tracking, nothing was shipped. Both times seller had over 1000 sales and shipped nothing but closed the shop. If you have ordered from a reputable shop on Etsy, I would appreciate it!
I have a Thai that I bought as a plug exactly 3 years ago, so it's probably a 2.0 Thai. It is insanely fussy. In all honesty my regular old Albo is much hardier and grows way faster. My Thai hasn't grown a new leaf in ages, whereas my Albo is shooting them out left and right. My Thai used to have large sectoral cream variegation, but it all turned brown and crispy by now. The two recent leaves only have the speckles, no more larger chunks. It also is quite leggy looking... I may need to move it to a brighter spot and bump up the humidity, but both my monsteras get the same amount of attention and one is thriving, the other barely hanging on ._.
I wish I could get a Thai 1.0 from you! Unfortunately I live in the US though. I couldn’t agree more that the Thai’s are different. I started my plant collection in 2021 and didn’t know about Thai’s till the very end of that year. If you sell to the US, let me know! Lol
This was so interesting about the 2 Thai’s and I also had thought calling them TC’s was hilarious. Unfortunately my tiny tiny TC’s are the 2.0 😭 they’re genuinely about and inch high
I have a small Thai and small Albo , i mean 3 leaves each no fenestration yet. I purchased my Thai for only 70dls on a black Friday sale there where a few other but this one was labeled low variegation, i bought it either way because I knew it's a stable plant sure thing next leaf it grew under my care is highly variegated 🙂
When I first started collecting plants, I was desperate for the Albo. But once I learned about the unstable variegation, I decided to go with the Thai just because I didn’t want that stress! Now, I’m completely in love with a Thai Constellation, it’s beautiful!
Hi will you please Tell where to go online to find A Thai I live in Ohio in the states and we haven't seen any sign of Thia or Albos that's my Big time wish list plant. Thanks for sharing I needed to hear what you had to say Kaylee
@@lindaholder2222if you still haven’t found any bwhplantco sells them right now! Like $50 in a 4” pot
I have a teeny tiny TC thai con. Its put out two leaves and lost one and I already love it, cant wait until I get those massive 3ft leaves on mine. Just another 5 years lol
@@lindaholder2222Etsy?
I don’t know what to do
They just released it today! My store has a lot of them! Bought one for $30 from Kroger 4” pot with 4 big leaves and 3 smaller ones.
Came here to say that. My local nursery has Thai cons in 4 inch pots for about $60 which is more than Kroger but I always have excellent success with their plants and sometimes Kroger lets me down.
same here i got one a month back at a very reasonable price ..and today i seen she's giving me a new leaf with Fenestration super excited lol
You say “no one asked for my opinion”….Kaylee! We are actually here on your videos for just exactly that! YOUR OPINION! 😂 I mean I appreciate all the non opinion info too BUT on your own personal RUclips channel there is almost always going to be some personal opinion/experience. You are my favorite plant RUclipsr! 😘
Hi Kaylee ! I own a 1.0 TC, received it summer 2018 (Canada, Montreal) with 2-leaves 4 inches and root rots from the shop ....I rescued it, Today it's a big tree in my living room, never had pests, a lot of variegations , no drama in 5 years ! LOVE my Berta !
I live in the same general area and the cutting I bought from another collector is fantastic! One of the easiest plants in my collection. Actually, I'd never heard of people having difficulties with ''Thai Constellation'' before this video but I've been out of the loop for a while.
Sounds amazing. Is are you selling cuttings?
@@michaellezuo2010 hi ! I am in Montreal, Quebec, Canada i don’t ship, pick up only. If you are still interested, i am open to discussion.
@@juliemartineau8299 I’m in the same area 😮 are you possibly selling any cuttings?
Standing next to a large form monstera was all the evidence I needed to know there were 2….large form is so amazingly majestic🖤
Large form is just the mature version of the plant. Their are “Miniature” monsteras which are very small.
thai 1.0 here and I can confirm it's basically an iron clad plant. Very low maintenance, doesn't even need a ton of light, keeps getting bigger and better with time-it's become one of my favorite plants.
Yessss mine has be super strong too. I’ve heard people online who have gone through multiple that haven’t even made it through acclimation. I’m so glad I got a sturdier strain because there’s no way I could afford that. Meanwhile my little champ pops out a new leaf every few weeks that even bigger and prettier than that last 💚
I got my Thai in late 2019 from your shop, it was my absolute dream plant and 3 years later it's still my favorite plant of my entire collection, she's just so beautiful and tough, which makes me believe I got a 1.0 one ! I love her so freaking much and I love the fact that she comes from you as well :) Cheers from France Kaylee, I'm a big fan of your work and I can't wait to try your fertilizer once it's out !
Tried commenting earlier but it didn’t go through, glad you were able to get it back up.
I have a “1.0” from 2018 and a “2.0” that was purchased as a tiny baby in 2021 they are night and day, the 1.0 sits on top of a bookcase and is often forgotten to be watered week after week, the “2.0” needs all the light, all the humidity and all the maintenance.
Do you ever consider selling some thai 1.0 pls hit me up as the one I had must be 2.0 and gives me nothing but headaches....
Girl! Ty for the info! I purchased a thai last wk from walmart for $40. Its beautiful and full and having babies! 💚
I paid $260 for a 2 leaf Albo rooted cutting that was labeled as having "high" variegation; I paid more for the higher variegation. All the pictures the seller showed of the Albos for sale, showed very nice high marbled variegation, which is what I thought i was getting. What I got was a plant that has one leaf that was pure white and the other was 70% pure all white variegation with a little green. I messaged the seller letting her know I did not receive what I was expecting and she said it was my fault because I did not specify wanting more "marbled" variegation. So, yes, I only recommend buying from a seller that posts pictures of the exact plant you're wanting to buying. Edit: I ordered and got the plant in October of last year (2022).
The small form Monstera deliciosa does actually get quite big too. Ofc not as big as the large form, but my variegated small form has 27¨ leaves (68cm). Plus, if you give it high light, the internodial spacing will get very narrow. Mine has internodial spaces that are almost as tight as my Thai's. Thats 100% down to the amount of light. Less light = more internodial space, because the plant just simply tries to reach more light quicker.
Light spectrum also has an effect on internodal length. Cold white (blue) will tend to shorten it and warm white (red) will tend to yield longer internodal length or larger leaves (different species react differently).
I just got a Thai for Valentine's Day . She is quite large already. It is very healthy. My husband payed 300$ for it . Iv had been waiting for prices to come down but after three years still NO price shift yet so ....he did buy the Thai at a garden center in our town . Thanks for the video
Here in Brazil, one of the big suppliers has just released Thai for the first time ever. It went from 0 plants available to being mass-produced. Unfortunately (for me), it is priced at around R$ 900,00 (£145). So I'm waiting a bit and saving up to buy it. Albo have been available for a long time in some online stores, for around R$1000,00. I was waiting for the prices to go down, but now that Thai is available from a very good and reliable supplier, I will surely get the Thai.
in colombia I am very fortunate enough to have access to both a Thai and albo monstera. I bought my Thai for 85000 Colombian pesos which is roughly $17 us and I just purchased a beautiful albo for $250000 Colombian pesos which is $51 us. Honestly location plays a huge role in price and availability.
I like the monstera Burle Marx Flame better than the variegates but here in Florida it is about 500.00 dollars. I think someone would make alot of profit if it was tissue cultured.
@@floridahiker1503 The Burle Marx flame is around R$ 1200 here (U$ 230) but i've heard it is such a slow grower it makes me not want one so much XD
I hope you can get one soon 😊
@@pedrozinn3227 i just saw one flame this week for R$430 (USD 83)!
The reason costa thought they could win was their ability to mass produce with a larger vector than if the lab had upscaled once costa succeeded. To explain further, we know the lab limits production to increase profits while reducing variable costs but costa's fixed overhead and manufacturing capacity is already so massive that introducing a new plant is only profitable, with no downside. The lab would have to drum up capital and initiate the production cycle extremely quickly to keep up with costa (had costa succeeded). It seems someone in the lab may have been savvy to costa's plan and sabatoged their supply
Omg!! The tea!!!
@@AbbiZika Allegedly!!
100% she with this.
I wish more people understood how Thais work. I had someone refuse a trade because they didn’t want a Thai constellation that was from tissue culture, but they wanted a Thai constellation which doesn’t make sense
The whole TC vs nonTC was such a headache too, it’s still the same plant and the only way some people even know it’s TC is if they do their research on the company that sold it which we know few will actually do.
It's plant elitism and it makes me sad
I watched your video 3 years ago, found a monstera Albo by chance in my local shop and shelled out the most money I’ve ever spent on a plant! I still love it, have sold cuttings and made all my money back. I really appreciate your side by side comparison and how fun to see you revisit this topic.
I have no idea which version of Thai I have, I imported 2 as pretty big plants last year from Thailand, they looked like top cuttings. I propagated them both multiple times and never lost a cutting. They live in soil in self-watering pots with roots all over the reservoir in pretty low light but both grow like weeds, no rot, no problems... I feel I might've lucked out and got cuttings from 1.0? I must say I was feeling smug when everyone was complaining about root rot but I guess it wasn't due to my skill after all :)
Thank you for this Kaylee, I'm wanting to buy a Monstera Thai Con but so stressed because of how much it costs plus all the ppl talking about how much its prone to root rot. Also your videos just lift my heart and make my day better 🌱💚
I would say go for it if you find a decently priced one with the kind of varigation you like and you are doing good with other Monsteras 😄My Thai is one of the easiest and fast growing plants I have, had zero problems with it. So get a small one if you can they size up super quickly. But they do like more water then a green deliciosa in my experience
I grow a bunch of these Thai Constellations in FL you dont have to water alot. Just put them in very loose mix and put them on a moss pole or even wood pole/branch. They send out roots everywhere to latch on the pole. You can mist those roots. I have left these out in the yard in the sun and ignored them for months. I have put them in the greenhouse and not heated that greenhouse unless it dropped below 32F (freezing) they are tougher than people think. I've had mine since 2008.
Thank you for responding 🌱 my minds made up now so just need to wait till pay day then Thai shopping for me am I better going for a baby plant or a well rooted cutting ? 💚
@@mabonniejungle....7851 In my opinion I would get the most established plant you can afford if you are new to rooting plants. I dont find mosteras hard to root IF you get a decent cutting. The problem is there are many sellers (ebay, etsy etc)that sell a teeny tiny stem with barely a node on it. Then people undestandably fail and then lose confindence in their ability to root plants..and it may not have even been the buyers fault. Get a potted rooted plant if you can and then you can experiment rooting from that mother plant later.
If you get a cutting an it starts rotting, lay it out in the air too dry. My was rotting an I laid it out about 4,5 hours an never had another issue. Good luck in getting your new baby.
Thanks for clearing that up Kaylee, again great info
I got super lucky this year with an Albo I bought a three leave top cut for $45 usd and I love her 😍 just chopped her and the cutting are growing so fast with beautiful variegation! I really got lucky 😂
I’ve only acquired any variegated monstera in the last 6 months or so. I was lucky enough to purchase a 3 leaf rooted albo top cutting from Barry Schwartz for $85. I got my first Thai a couple days ago as a little TC baby for $30. Looking back at the beginning of my collecting journey I’m super stoked to have acquired both of these lovely plants for a reasonable rate.
I have a thai from 2012 that is awesome I've taken many cuttings from it over the years with 100% success. I did buy another thai for my office in 2021 it was rubbish kept rotting back, I ended up taking another cutting off my main to replace it
Would you sell a cutting?
I got my Thai a couple years ago as a rooted propagation from a local plant person. I'm pretty sure the mother was an early Thai because mine is bothered by nothing. And it doesn't have all the big sectoral variagation that the new Thai's have, just covered in speckles with the occasional bigger fleck of cream. It's still one of my favorite plants in my collection!
Maybe the supplier swapped the mother plants out for some more variegated mothers but the ones with more variegation are less tough. 🤔
I also bought a cutting last year from a private seller and I believe it to be a Thai from an old batch. I tried propagating it and I was getting in there with a scalpel. But I only lost one propagation so far and now I have like 6 little Thais lol
Love your hair cut…thanks for the info on Albo and Thai.!! Love your videos.❤
In Canada you can get 3 leaf 4” Thai for between $75-100. I have three Albo’s - each with three leaves, high variegation, two with fenestrations, and paid between $200-250 for each. I’m an Albo king all the way. Like you said: ‘if you’re wanting the pristine white sectoral variegation, there’s only one plant to choose!’ Thanks for another great video Kaylee.
Yup, in 2 inch pot😃tiny tiny plant
Weird I've been seeing albo trims going for cheaper then thais
Thanks for explaining the differences between the albo & Thai. I’m convinced that when I can afford one, it will be the Thai. Thanks for sharing!
I bought a Thai cutting with 3 leave and she lost all of her leaves that she came with but she is very happy now pushing out her 6th leaf living in my ikea cabinet.
Was hoping you'd talk about the Aurea.
I just got a beautiful albo from my local garden centre they had 100s it's a nice size and load of variegation!
I can send you picture of the display 🤣 it was beautiful!
So I own a ''Thai Constellation'' which I bought myself as a Christmas gift in 2021. Bought it as a rooted middle node cutting from a guy who also got his mother plant as a cutting himself. I was stressed at first because he was growing it semi-hydro in cedar mulch which is a technique I'd never heard of before but since I knew the plant's roots were water-adapted, I decided to plant it in a vase filled with my homemade chunky mix and filled it with water. If this thing's roots were to rot, I'm pretty sure it would have happened then. Instead, the water level slowly decreased and the plant started growing. 2-3 months later, I had to repot it in an actual pot with drainage holes which I kept it in for about 6 months before it was time to repot again. Now it's getting to be quite big and I know I'll be propagating it this spring before it becomes root bound. I'll grow the top cutting into a monster for my apartment, keep a few mother plants for propagation and sell the others.
The Thai is one of my very favourites plants because it's stunning, it's such an easy plant, it reacts very well to light which makes it highly rewarding! The fact that it behaves exactly like my green deliciosa gives me hope because I should be able to get to 2-3 foot wide leaves when my plant will be 2-3 years old. Also, I've observed that giving a lot of light to my Thai seems to have increased variegation... this might be a bad explanation and it might be related to maturation instead, I won't know until I grow many cuttings of this same mother plant in different settings. One thing is certain though, more light yields more fenestration!
I'll get an albo and an aurea if I ever encounter their XL versions at a reasonable price..!
I got a 6” Thai Constellation at a big box store (Home Depot) for $30 just the other day. It’s so beautiful and big. For $30, I bought two 🥲💚🪴
I actually got a Thai 3/4 months ago in Portugal for 90€. It's a big 7 leaf plant with 3/4 leaves over 50cms wide.
In the US, at least in the Midwest, huge batches of 3-4 leaf 4” Thai constellation babies are being released for around $70-100 which is much cheaper than they were going for during the pandemic, and they have really decent variegation. A few years ago it was nearly impossible to find Thai and if you did it would usually be a very large plant for $1000+ dollars.😅
@@Megasaurusify I live in Missouri, but I’ve seen people in other states finding them at their local nurseries as well.
Who exactly is releasing them at this price?
Yeah i just recently bought a really nice one for 90$
@@meghanjohnson1175 prettyingreen nursery online. 85
I got my 4 inch and my mom's for 39.99 😅 it's got amazing variegation.
I would love to see the difference and know more about the differences in older vs newer Thais bc I recently got one and I bet that’s why the leafs are coming in slightly wonky.
In Canada, I just paid $125 for a fresh one leaf albo cutting with decent variegation. It has bright white chunks and spatter in one half of the leaf. This is the cheapest I've seen an albo cutting with decent variegation and size in years. Thai I haven't seen under $200 locally.
My Thai was my first variegated monstera and I had no idea what I was doing but she is SO tough. I chopped her like a year ago and she propagated so easily; I left them in water with some normal monstera props and kind of forgot about it and got the most lovely new baby, and I’ve not lost any leaves!!
My 3 albo are much more fickle; 2 are slowly reverting so definitely appreciate the easiness of the tc.
There are very few instances of a company cornering the market like Costa Farms tried to do where they wanted to reduce the price of a product.
It is usually done to make sure no one else has the product so they can raise the price as high as they want. That is what a monopoly does and I believe that is what Costa farms was after.
Exactly
Except that is exactly what Costa Farms does time and time again. They are all about mass production marketed to big box stores that don’t do high end plants. Their whole business model is about volume. I don’t know that they were trying to “corner the market” so much as produce enough stock for their type of supply chain.
Meh, the Thai Con. is already so much out there, I doubt that that was actually what they wanted to do. What you say makes sense if the plant isn't already super available and thousands of stores world wide carry and sell it.
I have 4 Thai Con now. All from Steve’s Leaves (hope I can say that). All I believe $99 (or maybe $150). And now I have just bought 3 More Philodendron White Princess (3 of them) for $30 each. I’m hearing White Knights and have seen Pink Princess at my local grocery stores as well. USA
I have both of these and they are hard to grow but I enjoy that it's growing really variegated with holes that are once on every 10th leaf
Oh! I love your hair cut!❤️❤️❤️
I bought an albo for £63 from plantsforallseasons - with 7 leaves (not much fenestration yet but doing really well!) 🐸
Kayle, this was one of your best v ideos. Very educational
High variegates are showing up in plant shops in Norway but prices are killing :( The good side is that you get more than 1 plant in a pot in a dicent size - usually above 1 meter. For that pleasure you have to pay above 300 punds
Dear Kaylee, thank you for the video!
Based upon the information you just served us, I think I have Thai 1.0. I purchased it last summer and it had 7 leaves, each around 50 cm (~20 ") and they shipped it in a lawn mower's box. It was already huge. Took the place of a whole backseat in the car - the seat was flipped back. So I'm guessing it was grown in 2019 or earlier to be this big in 2022. That was the first time I saw them selling in my country in a webshop. I wanted one for at least 3 years. And the price was only around 220 EUR (it was still expensive for my wallet, but I did not wanted this chance to slip away). It was so worth it!
My 2019 Thai constellation is seriously so tough. It’s been neglected and ignored and she’s still kicking! I moved her to a new pot and a new location and she’s very happy
Albo used to go for around $800-$1k in 2020 here in New Zealand, now for the same size/cutting or whatever, it's probably around $100-$250 by the end of 2022
I recently just bought a highly variegated albo cutting that was fully rooted for $80. I wasn’t into plants during the pandemic, but I know that what I have would’ve probably cost $200 then
I want a Thai only, but I have to wait about 5 years. I have ZERO room for a Thai in my house, but we are saving up to move. You can bet I will be eyeing houses who can handle that gorgeous beastie!
In Austria (EU) they released a very high variegated albo in the Garden Center. I think it was a 4 leaf plant with pretty small leafs for 110€ 🌱
In France Albo are sometimes available in garden centers, not expensive and with excellent variegation. Last time I saw one it was a long vine with 6-7 small but perfectly marbled leaves for slightly less than 100€.
Need an American pen pal??? 😂 I saw someone selling a wet stick recently for an equivalent amount. Absolute insanity
Haha, I dont think it would be that interesting with the phyto certificate I would need to do and everything else.
I bought a Thai Constallation for relatively cheap (about 80 Euros) from an importer in Thailand late 2019 and the plant is super hardy. It's a very slow grower but I'd say it's even easier than my normal Monstera small form. I was super scared when everyone was having issues with root rot and what not, but I guess I just was lucky and got a Thai 1.0. It even survived a massive Thrips plague and being neglected during a high stress period in my life.
Would you sell a cutting?
@@marevercammen200 Oh, it's not due for trim and I have no experience in shippings plants, so sadly no. But I can give you the exporter that I used back then.
Thank you for the side-by-side information and comparison
This was such a great video! Thank you! I have 3 baby Thais that I found and they will be arriving towards the end of this month:)
Our garden store usually has 2 or 3 albo cuttings, and they also have this quite big, reallyyy nice albo with high variegation that’s been sitting there for about a year now. It’s 200€, so that’s probably why no one has bought it yet.
In the US (Florida), we are still having to purchase both plants from Etsy, individuals, or specialty plant stores that deal with high end plants. We can't get them from the big box stores or just any plant store. The Albo's are running around $150 to $200+. The Thai's are hard to get unless it is just a node which runs around $50+. A potted Thai is running around several hundred dollars to over $10,000 dollars. They are all over the board. It all depends on the variegation. Thank you so much for the informative video. It was very interesting to watch and learn from.
That's interesting to hear. My plant nursery that I own sells them for under $100
@@DefiantBroadcast are you in Florida?
In California... Albo cutting are still about $80-100 and small Thais are $80
16:34 Monstera Albo is definitely still insanity over here in the US. I purchased a 1 leaf cutting ON DISCOUNT for damages late last year for $100 😭😭
On the bright side, it’s been rooting since September and I’m planning on potting her up early next week! 😁
I just purchased a rooted 2 noder for 30 dollars. And a young Thai constellation with 6 leaves for 130. It's all relative.
@@sterkfpv2192 I wish I could find any albo node for under $50. I’m not paying $50 for a maybe, especially considering you don’t know what kind of variegation it will have.
Up here in Canada, albo cuttings are still going for about $80-100 and a small 3-4 leaves ''Thai Constellation'' goes for about the same price. There must be deals popping from time to time, but I've stopped watching Marketplace everyday like I used to, so I wouldn't know. The bubble definitely has bursted though, I have very little hope to break even with my collection by selling cuttings unless I sell my Spiritus which is definitely not happening. It was a stupid buy, but I'm so stoked to see it mature now that I have it!
Recently found a small form albo for €30 with 4 leafs. In other garden centres it's still around €140.
I have a normal large form so I wouldn't get a thai anytime soon, since I don't have the space for 2 large forms. I recently sold my giant small form since getting the albo.
This video was SO helpful! I’m a newbie collector, and I do love the look of the Albo. But with your little key points it seems as though I should go with the Thai 🤔
I really love that you deep dive into a topic and really lay out your facts. Very informative, I love you videos! Thanks girl!
I just discovered your channel and i am absolutely loving it!! Thank you for making these educational and informative
I am from Miami and you can see so many pothos climbing trees and walls that grow leaves bigger than most people's indoor monsteras. I wonder what these rare monsteras would look like if they got to be in nature.
I like both! Thanks for breaking it down.
US based here. Both are still incredibly expensive in my area. Last year I recieved a Thai cutting as a gift. It was $300 and died almost immediately. Last month I saw, for the first time, a Thai in 2 different local nurseries, 6"pot, priced $350 & $400. I've still never seen an albo in real life.
I own a plant nursery and sell them both for under $100 😊
These videos are getting me through tax season here in the states
This is so helpful!! So how do we find a Thai from 2018?? I just ordered one and I’m afraid it’s a new, weaker one
I got both thai & albo i loved them all ,they all have beautiful varigations and i have a new additional my monstera mint im excited to grow
I bought a baby thai from Ben after your video unboxing yours a few years ago. I am guessing this is Thai 1.0 as mine is hardy as heck and lives in a very cold room of the house! I would say it's hardier than my regular small form monstera!
I got a rooted cutting of TC with two leafs a few weeks ago from a local seller for 65€ (Germany) :) I bought two albo cuttings a few years ago, each 45€
I’ve wanted a Thai but I’ve heard about how difficult they are lately and I currently have a rule where I don’t bring fussy plants into my home. Considering I have no way for f knowing whether it’s the tough or weak one I’ll save my money for now. I’m bummed though, I definitely prefer the Thai to the albo.
I always find my way back here to decompress after a long day working!! 😆😆
Wish I could’ve seen this a few weeks ago before I impulse bought a Thai 😅 I am excited tho cause I didn’t realize it was large form
I have found the Thai Constellation way less likey to revert than the other variegated monsteras. I have never had any of my Thai revert. I have several since 2008..Mine are huge. They grow slow until a certain point then they take off. I am in Florida, US
Thai´s have a stable variegation and cant revert! But mostly Albo´s can :D
As always super informative, thank you!
Here in the US, my local plant store has both but the price to size is crazy. Small clippings for the Thai are $120 but the albo are medium size, around 2-3 ft, and are $200
I have five of the smaller green monstera, which fit perfectly in the space where I want them to be. Bought them at a fairly nice size for $5 each. So I'm not interested in paying a high price for any variegated ones.
There was a huge craze for philodendron pink princess, but I found their variegation to be unimpressive. I got a nice p. Prince of Orange for $15 that's really healthy and looks beautiful.
I have purchased a Thai constellation. It had 70% off and is a 6cm pot and I’ll let you know what it does, I’m a bit scared I’m gonna receive a plant that needs rehabilitation and I’m inexperienced with that 😬
Thank you for explaining why the mass producers are releasing the low varigated plants -> it just happens with white wizards here in Canada - the first two batches were small and low variations but the longer we waited the better they got :-)
During the pandemic Thai Con prices here in Thailand also went crazy and people start naming Thai Cons "Creme Brulee" and "Gold" and all sorts of names. Luckily prices stabilized around last year although some people still make crazy money from biddings.
All the extra names are sooo ridiculous and so unhelpful and confusing to the hobbyist community. I'm a botanist so i prefer to use scientifically accepted names and officially registered trademark/patented cultivar names
I’m starting to see a bunch of thais I’m my local plant shops and they are smaller cuttings that go for about 60 dollars. Monstera albos I haven’t really seen anywhere here
Thai 2.0 ‘weakness’, especially propagation related makes sense. If they can make a version that doesn’t propagate, it keeps integrity of pricing and people coming back to them for more. 🤷♀️
The quantity of Thai's are coming from at least two different labs in China, not from Thailand, not sure if there are variations between labs.
Another kaylee ellen banger video
Looking at the snippets of the old vids - you upped your make up game a lot. Looks more confident / business-y.
One of my Monsteras is a Thai wannabe (hints of variegation). There was a wave of large Monteras flooding the market over here (I live next to the Netherlands) for cheap. Think they attempted TC with variegated large forms and those were the plants that failed.
I was under the impression that “SMALL FORM” or climbing form, is “subspecies” Borsigiana.
And large form is Deliciosa proper.
…and I’m from Hawaii, we use large form Deliciosa as LANDSCAPING borders. The MASSIVE sized ones are literally everywhere here.
Although we get Gold Pothos (epipremnum aureum) that also gets to the same size and even fenestrated when it gets big and climbs up trees here just all over.
This was good. Great information.
In the NE US, unrooted albo cuttings are about $150 each from private sellers. I'm waiting for it to come down!
I received my Tai this morning from Florida. $81 USA. It’s a “Starter Plant” from my go to shop. I’m waiting for my wish list plants to show up there for >100. It’s hard to wait, but it’s been a consistently good experience. I watched a very expensive Albo node rot slowly. It hurt me.
What shop?
I love your videos! So informative and beautiful plants! 😃😃😃
I bought a 2 leaf high variegated rooted monstera albo mid January. It won't ship until March.
After watching this video my guess is she didn't cut the mother plant until after my purchase. So it will root by March. 🤔
There's plenty of Thai Cons available on Etsy in the UK now!
Got burned twice on Etsy buying Albo. Both times seller uploaded fake tracking, nothing was shipped. Both times seller had over 1000 sales and shipped nothing but closed the shop.
If you have ordered from a reputable shop on Etsy, I would appreciate it!
Sorry if i have missed it but have you lauched your plant food yet?
Spot on with pricing. Just got an albo cutting for $50 and a Thai small plant for $60 (USA)
I have a Thai that I bought as a plug exactly 3 years ago, so it's probably a 2.0 Thai. It is insanely fussy. In all honesty my regular old Albo is much hardier and grows way faster. My Thai hasn't grown a new leaf in ages, whereas my Albo is shooting them out left and right. My Thai used to have large sectoral cream variegation, but it all turned brown and crispy by now. The two recent leaves only have the speckles, no more larger chunks. It also is quite leggy looking... I may need to move it to a brighter spot and bump up the humidity, but both my monsteras get the same amount of attention and one is thriving, the other barely hanging on ._.
Constellation; spotty leaves hence the 'starry' constellation.
Too late I have a Thai!
But for real I love watching you and you actually are why I love the Thai constellation
I wish I could get a Thai 1.0 from you! Unfortunately I live in the US though. I couldn’t agree more that the Thai’s are different. I started my plant collection in 2021 and didn’t know about Thai’s till the very end of that year. If you sell to the US, let me know! Lol
This was so interesting about the 2 Thai’s and I also had thought calling them TC’s was hilarious. Unfortunately my tiny tiny TC’s are the 2.0 😭 they’re genuinely about and inch high
Just got both for my B-Day 🎉 they were really inexpensive in comparison to before! Plus i got one on sale
I have a small Thai and small Albo , i mean 3 leaves each no fenestration yet. I purchased my Thai for only 70dls on a black Friday sale there where a few other but this one was labeled low variegation, i bought it either way because I knew it's a stable plant sure thing next leaf it grew under my care is highly variegated 🙂