How Corrin Became Top Tier | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
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- Опубликовано: 28 мар 2024
- One of the biggest rising stars in the current metagame is Corrin, a swordfighter previously thought of as unviable in the early stages of Smash Ultimate's lifespan. Today we'll be analyzing what happened to Corrin, and how they made such a meteoric rise to the top.
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Dunno, but as a day 1 diehard Corrin main, I feel unbelievably validated every time SHADIC or Neo pop off
Real
Same, it’s so freakin hype to see
…but at the same time I worry that folks are now gonna say “yOu OnLy pLaY aS cOrRiN bEcAuSe ThEy’Re gOoD nOw” and don’t believe that we’ve played them for years lol
@@Taktaagic Man who give a shit what anyone says, we were down in the goddamn mines, especially in early Ultimate when she was significantly worse
Corrin is my secondary and can confirm
I played Corrin before it was cool lmao
I don't play Corrin, and wouldn't consider myself an early Corrin believer, but I think you have every right to do so.
Corrin simply is (in my opinion) anti-meta. They do well against a lot of common top tier picks, meaning that it was almost guaranteed that eventually they would rise to prominence in this meta. They are also very consistent and relatively easy to pick up, so that helps them a lot.
Yea I think that's the main thing, they just have a lot of options with good space advantage and damaged or said space advantage (I say this as a link main who has gotten walled by a corrin one to many times)
@Infernal_Crusaderjust awaken your inner TC3nick
@Infernal_Crusader Lucina is good and so are a lot of other swordies. Lucina has the least volatile matchup spread and overall most solid kit, Cloud does a shit tonna damage and has that backair, Corrin can control space really well and has good matchups into the current most seen characters at top level, Roy is outright one of the best aggro characters in the game and can delete stocks like few others, and Shulk is better than all of them but takes the most work. Feel like as a mid level player you can’t really go wrong with any one of these characters and just focusing on improvement, so I’d say whichever of them is the most fun for you!
I think Corrin is in a very similar situation as cloud, in particular, Neo and Shaddic with Corrin and Spargo with Cloud. They are good characters, with great matchups into some top tiers. both juggle extremely well with large/long lasting hitboxes. I personally place them both in high tier, and believe that people who place them into top tier just dont realize how good their best reps are.
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I believe Corrin was criminally underrated for most of the game, and is in a good spot now.
If I'm not mistaken, they received the most buffs of any character. They slowly rose from low tier to high tier over many patches.
It often happens in games with many updates: a character considered low tier early on with low play rates gets buffed a ton but nobody notices because no one plays them, until a while later when someone swaps to them or a specialist shows how good they are.
Not....really. What other than the recovery was buffed?@@BBB-pe3ip
@@Simon-Sax Their projectile travelling farther uncharged, F-Smash having more knockback and shieldstun, Pin kicks getting more knockback growth, along with Pin jump having less lag, along with B-Air and U-Air doing more damage without knockback compensation. Basically their most important moves got touched up to be more useful over time, their main KO moves were made stronger, and their damage output was also increased for their combo moves.
It was a lot of small things that had added up that nobody really paid attention to until the meta was shifting.
I wouldn't call her TOP tier, but it's nice to see her succeed.
Here's hoping other overlooked characters can get their time in the spotlight.
I think it’s because she’s a practical modern version of Lucina, great kit that provides tools for almost every situation, and applicable skill ceiling for fundamentals of a casual or pro if your willing to put in the effort and time with the character.
she’s lucina but she wins in way fewer neutral interactions
@lobotomizeme she also wins niche situations in a solved meta game whereas Lucina's kit prevents her from dealing with meta- which means the shortcomings don't matter as much to Corrin as her strengths and coverage is better where it counts
@@leekyonion yep
Well yea, she has genuinely absurd at times effective range being able to beat out quite a few ranged fighters because of her good damage and frame data for this. She is really anti meta at the moment and that's currently got her extremely powerful
Corrin’s moves in her kit are that good in the current meta with her massive up air, pin, back air, and more. She has so many consistent options. The fact that she’s also an anti meta character having fine matchups vs Steve sonic GnW Rob Kazuya etc also proves her case
Shadic is also looking like one of the best players in 2024 and Neo is also doing well too. Even Sparg0 is playing Corrin more.
As this channel always says: Consistency is king. And Corrin has the options to be versatile and consistent. They don't have the highest strengths, but when you can exploit the opponent's lows, it works out.
I love that the spread of characters in this game encourages a revolving door in the meta. Zoners come in to counter the "Safe" swordies and then we get the rush down guys back? I dunno, but is all seems positive for the game!
Corrin's kit just feels so consistent. It always feels like whenever you need for a situation Corrin just has. Combos feel fluid, moves do what you want them to do, kill confirms feel right, everything with Corrin just feels like it clicks when you need it to in a game where there are a LOT of moments where it feels like something that should work weirdly doesnt work. Playing them feels a tad boring imo (and JUST my opinion) but I honestly don't feel too surprised to see Corrin pooping off suddenly. Feels like the tools were always there.
She does indeed poop off. Whatever that means.
Most of the consistent/good characters in thus game are boring unfortunately
Corrin is swordie with a combo game that doesn't require you to do the most delayed landing aireal since final fantasy XV and thus can be more versatile while still retaining good damage output while also not relying as much on tech chasing/reading your opponent for every neutral interaction,has good kill confirms and safe killing moves.
Just like what DABUZ said. You can't pin point on one aspect that make Corrin so successful. It's the combination of multiple thing.
+ Corrin main are getting better at FS DAir making her bad OOS option no longer weakness.
+ Their combo games are even getting better. They can kill after winning 2-3 interaction on average. In some case she might only need one. Look at SHADIC VS Yaura as example.
+ Footsie. So Manny didn't know this but Corrin has the fastest dash frame in the game (tied with Sheik). This in combination with the slingshot tech make her have some of the craziest micro movement in the game.
+ Insane MU chart. The fact that Corrin does well against GNW, Steve, ROB & Sonic. Most other Swordies usually do well against some of them. But Corrin is the only one that does good against all of them.
There might be some more. These are just some things that you didn't highlight in the video.
I've been a corrin player since is started playing ult and i think they are in a perfect spot. Us corrin mains have almost always said she is good and people are finally realizing that. They fits perfectly into the anti_meta role and has many strong qualities, especially their frame trapping.
I've had Corrin as my main from SSB4 all the way to the last update of SSBU, I haven't really been following the SSBU meta for like a year now, but a video like this shows me quite some things have changed 🙀
I think they're mainly just a countermeta character. People didn't like Corrin at the start of the game because Smash 4's version was better, and their moveset isn't particularly hype so it took a while before they got developed
Yea, they just so happen to be one of the characters that doesn't feel great to play for many because she is somewhere between predictable and unpredictable and half her moves don't visually look that powerful despite being very powerful. They also have a playstyle I'm personally not a fan of.
She also got buffed a ton but no one noticed because of her low play rate.
I definitely agree that a combination of Corrin's buffs and the meta did influence their rise to high tier. Another comment pointed this out, but I do believe Corrin's tools and strength make them a great anti-meta character, especially for a swordie.
Thanks her range she can do decent into Sonic without sacrificing framedata the way Byleth and Ike do, thanks to her punish game and aforementioned range she can be played into Kazuya unlike Roy who has to play very carefully or Lucina who can space but lacks the kill power or punish game Corrin has.
As someone who mains Lucina and Corrin, they make an excellent co-main or secondary thanks to this. If I go against a Sonic as Lucina I can always go to them if I'm not feeling her.
I think it's awesome corrin of all characters is becoming a true meta threat and I love her. I do think that in like 5 months tops people are going to absolutely despise this character though at the rate we're going
Yay finally! I’ve mained Corrin longer than any other character, so glad you talked about them!
He joined Smash
This video came out at the perfect time. I’m glad I’m playing my smash 4 main again
the amount of corrin videos i've seen in the last month talking about corrins rise to greatness is crazy, but I think they deserve it
was waiting for this video with the sudden results
I never played this character but I like them so it’s cool to see how well they’re being placed now randomly out of nowhere.
I'm a Corrin main since the days of Sm4sh and I'm so happy to finally see them being played at their fullest. I always knew they had a lot of potential
I’ve playing Corrin since day 1 when her up b went like half the distance. The validation for how good Corrin is now is soooo validating.
Ive played Corrin since smash 4 so im glad to see him get some spotlight
I love watching and playing Corrin. I'm so happy they're finally getting the recognition they deserve
OH BOY, THE VIDEO WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR! Goated vid is usual Vars! 👑
Haven't really touched the game in 2 years, so it's nice to hear Corrin's gotten recognition finally. I received so much confusion/surprise every time I showed up as Corrin in Arenas. Something as simple as using backair for recovery was mindblowing for people, lol.
Props to all the fellow Corrin players for pushing the character.
8:11 I think the one example I keep getting surprised by myself as someone who is mid at Corrin is the Dragon Lunge/Instapin, the tipper of the pin is absolutely terrifying for kill power but sometimes the KICK actually can kill so much earlier then you might think. You get the strong hit of that and sometimes the opponent can just die at 80-90 percent, and when it does even I as the Corrin player just am going "No way? That early?"
I really really like your writing, Vars.
I've always been a corrin believer I'm just glad they're finally popping off
I randomly decided to start playing her last year and man what a fun character she actually might be my 4th main after Ken,Bayonetta, Dark pit
When people talk about sword fighters kits being copy/pasted, they mean the fire emblem characters. Roy, Marth, Chrom, and Lucina. They quite literally have the same moves. That’s not like saying characters with sex kicks are copy/pasted because a lot moves in ultimate are shared but not blatantly c/p with slightly different move attributes.
And somehow they complain when Corrin is added when she has the most unique kit out of all FE characters not named Robin!!!
@@riqua27It's because Corrin was one of the most hated video game characters of all time at one point, even among Fire Emblem fans just like Byleth but just like Byleth, all it took for people to start pretending they've always loved her was just putting her in Smash. Put Abby from The Last of Us 2 in Smash & suddenly people will love her too.
@@D_YellowMadness That's not true at all. Female Corrin is actually rank 1# at the official Nintendo poll for Fates. It's just the vocal minority that hates Corrin. Most people are actually fine with her.
Great video, but should've used the in-battle variation of Knowledge halfway through the video to take advantage of how Fates music works for a bit of a fun audio mix-up.
Smash player didn't know Fates song beside Lost In Thought All Alone. Which is a shame Cause Fates probably had the best song in the series!!!
I never stopped using Corin from smash 4 going into this game
I remember trying to save up money to buy corrin when I was in the 3rd grade, it seemed like it took forever, but as soon as I unlocked them, it was love at first sight. It's really nice to see that they're becoming a viable option in the competitive scene :)
I'm someone who's mained corrin since the year of smash ultimate's release, and i never would've expected her to be in top tier conversations without a speed buff. I guess my unimpressive tournament placements were just a skill issue after all
Corrin has been my secondary for ages now (my main is robin, obviously) and I always felt they were pretty alright at the very least. That being said I haven't played the game in a rather long time now. Nice to see they're getting some love now though!
I'm a little surprised it took this long for people to realize Corrin is really good.
As a day 1 corrin main i couldnt be happier for the corrin meta with Shadic and Neo
Sparg0: *Back air pressure to end MKLeo's life*
MKLeo, up one stock: *calmly walks forward and parries one of the back airs*
It's like you can tell what both fighters are thinking in that exchange
Already knew this vid was comin
I honestly think the reason corrin is so good in the meta is because she has a really good toolkit plus shadic and neo are on a different level with her. And her up b can kill at the top which I don’t see a lot corrin players do besides shadic and Sparg0. Corrin is an overall a solid character I been using her ever since the game came out and I can tell she is really fun.
As a longtime Corrin fan, seeing their steady rise to top tier had been a treat🎉
Just wanted to say you’re Goated Vars, keep making awesome content
Everything depends on knock back growth. If a character has too many moves that have bad knockback growth and they can't kill reliably, then they won't ever get placed higher on the tierlist. You want moves that combo well at early percents but also have those very same moves kill at higher percents. So the player has more options to take stocks.
Just a simple tweak to knockback growth here and there can make a bad character very good.
Lot's of low-mid tiers could easily be high tier if they gave them more killpower.
Another banger video
I think Corrin's rise in the Meta is attributed to the following reasons.
1. The change in the Metagame which favors characters like Snake or Marth (though mostly the former).
2. Many smash players dub Corrin the "Fighter Pass 2 slayer", though I can't really explain why.
3. Neo and Shadic's explosive performance in recent times (Ly too, but to a lesser extent).
Also, Spargo is warming up to Corrin as well.
Love how I started to main corrin at the same time they started to pop off without any outside influence. Played them a couple of times and was like “wait… I like this” still main them now
Gonna use corrin in my first tournament in august im locked in
Been a Corrin main from the beginning of Ultimate, and ever since I've thought pros have slept on their potential, especially after the last patch. All that needs to be said Vars already said it, so I'll just say it's very satisfying to see people finally realizing they should've been higher on tier lists a long time ago!
Dragon Lance is basically a fifth tilt or fifth aerial for Corrin that can KILL
As a long time Corrin main its definitely their frames and how when clashing have ALOT of recoil otherwise they're really good
I dont think anyone was thinking of character strengths and weaknesses when saying the swordies are similar. It probably just came from the average playerbase seeing characters with nearly identical movesets or animations. In melee you had Marth and Roy having identical movesets, then they add Lucina who doesnt just have Marths moveset but even looks a lot like him (i know its story related) then we get Ike and Chrome also seeming very similar, and by then i imagine people were just tired of visually samey characters. Also forgot to mention the fact most of these characters were from the not so popular in the west yet fire emblem.
What happened with the mic in this episode?
My secondary of 5 years not including the time I spent maining him in smash 4 just became really well received in the meta?
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Well that's neat
The fact that corrin is now top tier shows you that the meta doesn't dictate the work you put in with a character.
It did. Just because you play a top tier doesn't mean you're not skilled. Fox is a top tier. Are you going to say Light is not a skilled player?Or how about Peach. Most of top players probably didn't even know how to play peach half as good as Muteace!!!
@@riqua27 Not a fair comparaison cause unlike Peach, Corrin is waay easier to play.
@@s.a.k.i7768 low to mid level Corrin is easy. Try to do all the things SHADIC did with the footsie and slingshot tech. Now it's a different story. Muteace himself said he actually likes Corrin a lot and the only reason he didn't main/play her is because he cannot play Corrin as well as SHADIC. GAKT also said during his interview with SHADIC that Corrin is a really hard character.
Corrin is the new Cloud
Corrin was so underrated, glad he's realized now.
I didn't play the smash 4 dlc, so my first experience with her was in Ultimate. I understand the hate because the game didnt do well (I don't play Fire Emblem tbh) but her kit was really interesting, so I still main the Cotton Candy Corrin despite being better with other characters now like Rosalina
Where did you get the idea that the Corrin game didn't do well? It's the second highest selling FE game of all time. In fact up until a year after Byleth came to SMASH. It's still the highest selling FE game!!!
a video like this about bayonetta would be great. she is also anti-meta and has risen into high/toptier over the last year
We forgor about them
Its crazy to think that the game has Marth... And Lucina (who is an echo of Marth)... And Roy (who was a clone of Marth)... And Chrom (who is an echo of Roy).
No wonder people think all swordies are the same, there's literally 4 different fighters that all share half the same animations as each other!
I dont want to be toxic but it took you until now to realize that ?
One thing I can say about the smash community is it’s one of the only communities where the meta is constantly changing without the game presently updating, and it’s because players are constantly improving. This is what keeps a game alive.
BRB, dropping Corrin for ICs
Someone once called Ike Dr. Corrin. I’ll never forget that
Hear me out, Mii swordy is kinda cracked. Mii swordy has crazy tech chase potential, great combos, awesome kill power, and can catch you offguard at ledge with tornado drifting downward
I actually wanna see a Pac-Man video, I see him as a potential character
It's a shame that the swordies from Fire Emblem generally lack projectiles. I guess none of them promoted yet.
Marth can't promote!!!
"Good!"
And does great at mid range
When I’m tired of Seph being unfunctional and also wanna play a swordie with interesting options, I’d use corrin instead of cloud
I think that Corrin would have been irrelevant if not for the buffs. I tried to play the character on release and it was borderline impossible. By the time the significant buffs arrived, I was no longer interested in playing the character for some time. However, when I did start messing around with the character again I was like wait a minute she's good! This was in 2022, people thought I was nuts!
Given everything he just said I truly believe shulk would be the next swordie to go upwards in the meta.
Corrin aint just top 20, she be top 15.
I feel Corrin is a high tier, which is weird. Not the best swordie, that's Cloud (despite what you think about it. Aegis feel kinda overrated and inconsistent), but feels oddly adept to this game meta of bait and punish.
Shun all of those who thought that Corrin was a Mid Tier character since Day 1 in Ultimate. They always had a chance, and always will have a chance.
Corrin WAS a Mid Tier until he got BUFFED significantly in nearly EVERY PATCH.
It's the same reason why Ryu is now deemed a Solid High Tier.
@@user-be3qc7re9o
I thought Ryu was B+?
@gregorywood7554
Early in Ultimate he was actually in the lower half of the Tier list.
He's since been moved up significantly.
I have ideas for a few why no one and why everyone plays vids:
Why No One Plays:
-Peach
-Fox
-Mega Man
Why Everyone Plays:
-Mario
-Captain Falcon
-Mr. Game & Watch
... People play fox and peach
Why no one plays pit
Zelda
@@Quantum3906in top level play can you name at least ten fox mains, same with peach
people do play fox, myself included, but in terms of succeeding in top level, it's hard to find some since fox dies so easily
@@pamoon_ really? I haven't been into smash for a few months, I kinda thought fox would still be really popular, same with peach. Also, name 10 Mario mains then
Surprise F-Smash Sweetspot gotta be one of my favourite genders
Link is up next on the rise, bro trust.
In the earliest day of Smash Ultimate, Corrin was regarded as a contender for the worst character in the game, mainly due to their inconsistent kill or something. Sometimes I still think about the few communities that thought about this.
Robin is next
It hurts me whenever people keep saying she when referring to corrin, THERES ALSO A GOOD BOY EVERYONE, GIVE HIM ATTENTION
The male one is so much worse it doesn't exist
Corrin didn't become top tier. Too many people have just lost the ability to think for themselves and take as facts what is nothing more than other people's opinion. That's why you often hear people talking about "official" tier list - when neither Nintendo or Sakurai have ever (or would ever) release one. I remeber when everyone was saying Cloud was not good in Ultimate and Spargo was only winning because he was playing online. Now people are arguing for Cloud to be banned. I said the same about Steve early on and people in the comments were telling me "get good" and the charcater was slow and his revovery was "meh". I also wondered how people were saying Corrin wasn't good when common sense should have told anyone that she has a lot going for her and that Pin is almost busted but because some pros said they were average characters, everyone else went along like they can't think for themselves. Now they will act like they just discovered something amazing.
I still think corrin is realistically probably high tier but she's got top tier results cus she's still a really good character. Also Shadic is so good at ultimate like holy shit man.
I knew this character was broken simply because Dragon Lunge's startup and damage is absurd. Having a move like that keeps you constantly in a pressurized state and is what makes her unbearable to deal with. That startup + damage + killpower is literally a broken move.
Whose teir-list is that you're using? I've looked at it each time you pulled it up and even zoomed in at the end. Sheik isn't even on it? What gives...
bluds top tier category has 40 characters in it
corrin is high tier
The answer is simple.
Post 8.0, Corrin was always really good but nobody really gave her a chance.
the reason could've been "feet" and be as equally correct tbh lol
Corrin allready is in a similar spot to there smash 4 glory days.
Argueable top tier but clearly bottom of said top tier.
Corrin only won a single major in smash 4
So far corrin only one a single major in ultimate unless it was classified as a regional idk.
If only mewtwo was in a similar spot to smash 4 😢
Cloud being the best swordie depends on whether you consider Joker a swordie or not. And lemme tell you as a Yoshi main, I hate how close to being a swordie Joker is (though Cloud is, by far, Yoshi's worst matchup)
4:17 Why can i not unhear this as porn and ploud
what the fuck is wrong with me
Vars needs a new pop filter
2 adds thanks
Corrin is the best swordie, better than aegis, better than cloud
Corrin is just an anti- meta character and a character that people mostly forgot to fight against. As soon as people start to study her, she will drop in the tiers since she isn't universally viable like Steve, Sonic or Kazuya.
How knows ? Maybe yes maybe not
Oh so player like Cosmos, MKLEO, Zackray and Shuton got MU check by Corrin????
Also light beat Shadic 5 times and in their 6 match he got MU checked? Ok buddy!!!
It’s me. I happened to Corrin
Sorry if this sounds like me being a hater (because I am, I don't like Corrin), but of COURSE one of the most boring characters in the game ends up being a top tier.
It can't be someone with a more interesting moveset or personality. Nah. It has to be Corrin.
This isn't because they're a swordfighter, by the way. I wish characters like Marth or Ike were good enough to be on Corrin's level. I just hate Corrin. 😫
Corrin arguably has the most interesting moveset in the game. Her charge F-Smash having a hitbox in the chainsaw is unique to her. Not to mention she's the only character that has charged projectiles that have charged melee attacks as follows up. And we're not even talking about Pin. Which is the most unique move in the game with tons of utility.
@@riqua27
You're right. Corrin has a ton of unique ideas, and you didn't even mention the back air that pushes you so far that it makes for a great recovery tool. Corrin has a lot of unique ideas ...
TO BAD IT'S ON A BLAND CHARACTER, AND DONE IN THE MOST BLAND WAYS POSSIBLE!!
HE HAS A CHAINSAW SWORD, AND ONLY ONE OF HIS MOVES USES IT LIKE AN ACTUAL CHAINSAW!!
I'll keep being a hater. You will not change me. 🤣
@@Mr.Cynical How is Corrin a bland character? She's arguably the most unique looking fire emblem character. The fact that she can turn into a dragon is cool. She's also unique being white haired instead of blue like 80% of FE lord. And wavy hair instead of straight.
And how is her moveset being bland exactly? It's unique and looks cool. And it's always look satisfying when it land. Whenever Corrin hit Nair into Bair or Nair into Neutral B. It's always look satisfying when it hit.
Personally if you don't like Corrin it's fine. I'm not going to force you to like her. But I do find Corrin is probably one character that people often judge unfairly. And as Corrin and Fates fan. I just found it sad.
Honestly, I think right now they’re trying to be a little overrated. Maybe they’re kind of new to the meta-and I’m still getting used to it but I just kind of think they’re worse Lucina right now I think they’re probably a high tier character and may fall off a little over time.
Also, I’m extremely biased. I think corrin is a very boring character and Lucina is my main.
@@johngold42Corrin has better results than all FE characters combined.
@@johngold42Also ain't no way Corrin is lamer than Lucina. A lot of people said SHADIC Kola set is the most hype set in the tournament. I don't remember the last time people said Lucina set being hype let alone the most hype!!!
Online is going to be so cringe after this video
Im telling you chrom is better than roy they both have shjt recoveries
But how's the worst ?
@@islemsissou7707 Roy bc inconsistent hitboxes
@@thomas1pharmado you even play Chrom? He has the worst recovery in the game. Get him off stage and he’s dead. Talk about inconsistency
@@xanander4693 I play chrom
If you get rou offstage he's dead as well
cheese ass character, just as successful as every other cheese heavy character with a too specific kit for an 80+ character game