Thanks for sharing this, it's a really awesome technique! These are the stuff why yours is one of my favorite channels. I also hope you're doing well, you look like someone who pulled off a few all-nighters in a row. Keep safe!
love this! i already love using melodyne’s de essing and the amplitude tool for clip gain and volume balance, the de essing sounds really natural to me. but this tool you presented looks very interesting because of the shaper tool. seems even more accurate ! i might give this tool a try soon :)
Yes, and that's a great tool, but I find macro/blanket approaches often don't get it to 100%. It's not uncommon for an artist to be really hung up on 1 word, or a particular phrase which isn't quite poking our right.
I've been telling you about macros for more than a year. You can use macro's in sections and hand cutting the consonants. But this is faster and gives a better visual representation of the movement of the gain, and you can use the time spent on separating the consonants on refining the gain curves so, ok. I'll use this now. But macro's was way better than the vocal rider method you used before
Me too! I've got another album I worked on for the label I've asked permission to share the process of working on, because it's a pretty unique case-study. I'll bring it up with them in the new year about getting permission for the Collie album.
Logic has a feature called Normalise Region Gain and you can choose to affect the peak or LUFS. Would you recommend using that to achieve an overall peak or LUFS for any instrument or vocal? I’ve been playing around with setting peak to -6dB and going from there.
Depends, what's the goal of gaining up/down these regions? If it's the same goal as what I'm trying to do in this video, it won't work the same because the normalise region gain is indiscriminate to vocal phases, sibilance and plosives.
SynchroArts are really good...using vocalign since 2005 I think. You know Melodyne does all of that with a couple of clicks using a macro? As mentioned below, you just do a 100% macro and scan backwards to tweak the tiny stuff BUT TBH Micro managing this sort of edit level might be ok for amateur stuff but pro singers...just robs the humanity. All of the push and pull in a vocal just needs to be massage, not major surgery lol THis is why AI songs will be indistinguishable... INTENT, CONTENT and CONTEXT are the pillars of good art...everything else is a product
@@AliRI prefer Melodyne. Synchro Arts software lets me down all the time. Their Ara integration is very bumpy (if I’m being nice), their customer support takes days to answer silly questions that you wouldn’t need to have answered by other manufacturers and the list goes on and on. I don’t mean to hate, I genuinely believe that they could be the biggest brand in vocal editing tools in a matter of month, if they got their stuff together and made user interfaces that are actually usable. When it works, their stuff is great…
I usually just edit the clip gains on Protools but this is waaay better because it seperates the sibilances!!! 🔥🔥Now i wont need to stack De-Essers😅😅😂 On Top of that i can get better NATURAL Pitch correction💎✨
De-essing this way is nice, because as you see not all eesses need to be pulled back, infact I pull some forward to help with the diction in some words. The only space I find this de-essing lacks, is when the sibilance has a sharp resonance, then I need to use a dynamic EQ
This is all in preperation for applying any processing to the vocal chain. Broadband compression doesn't differentiate between words, sibilance and breaths. This process allows you to look deep into it.
haha yes, but when it comes to vocals I was already spending all this time automating clip-gain or setting up and wrigin in passages on vocal rider. This just moves the needle that bit more.
check out this video of Louis Bell (Post Malone's producer) flying through vocal tuning in melodyne at lightning speed. This just goes to show just how fast this process can become with experience, a great UI and keyboard shortcuts: ruclips.net/video/0t1yMrAaW_o/видео.html&ab_channel=Studio
Tinkering tinkering tinkering tinkering and then tinkering some more. Music flies by because time. What a waste of energy. Just let go. Focus on the real staff fam. #talkingtomyself #canyourhearme?
Really inventive stuff this!
Loving the technique. Obviously implementing it. Thank you!
Nice, let me know how you go!
Thanks for sharing this, it's a really awesome technique! These are the stuff why yours is one of my favorite channels. I also hope you're doing well, you look like someone who pulled off a few all-nighters in a row. Keep safe!
My pleasure! Yes! I think this is more-so from the sleep schedule of 3-young kids than all nighters in the studio ;)
Thank you very much my dear friend for everything you do and share with us
Thank you too, I appreciate the support!
Kinda like a regular automation thing but more intuitive, definitely worth trying
Yeap!
Perfect timing, just bought RePitch 2 days ago.
Wonderful!
These edits are above my pay grade. Killer stuff 🤟
Thanks for watching!
Wow this looks dope, i usualy do all that using clip gain but this seems so much quicker, thanks for showing us this
No problem!
Good stuff! Much respect
Thank you!
Melodyne also has the gain control feature, but this one gives more nuanced tools to achieve it.
that's why I liked these "nuanced" tools.
Cubase has something similar to this built in too, although the workflow and feedback you get for the volume looks a much better with this.
That's what drew me to this, having everything laid out on a gain trace is insane.
cubase version works even faster, trust me.
Amazing. Thanks for sharing! Are you still using your Vocal Rider technique you shared a while ago or has this replaced it? Or a combo?
A combo. The vocal rider technique is really good on vocal stacks, groups and BGVS :)
This feature in RePitch is great for leads.
love this! i already love using melodyne’s de essing and the amplitude tool for clip gain and volume balance, the de essing sounds really natural to me. but this tool you presented looks very interesting because of the shaper tool. seems even more accurate ! i might give this tool a try soon :)
Great to hear! Let me know how you go trying it out.
if you already have melodyne, just use the note splitter and the same functionality is afforded in a slightly different workflow.
Mindblowing video!! I‘m just worried that it would take soo long for the whole Vocal Track to edit 😭
Thank you! I think as I spend more time with this I will pick up a few more tips n tricks to speed up my interaction with it.
it will save time actually.
by any chance have you tried Melodyne's in macros there is an option to level the volume of the loudest words down and the softest words up?
Yes, and that's a great tool, but I find macro/blanket approaches often don't get it to 100%.
It's not uncommon for an artist to be really hung up on 1 word, or a particular phrase which isn't quite poking our right.
I've been telling you about macros for more than a year. You can use macro's in sections and hand cutting the consonants. But this is faster and gives a better visual representation of the movement of the gain, and you can use the time spent on separating the consonants on refining the gain curves so, ok. I'll use this now. But macro's was way better than the vocal rider method you used before
I truly loved Collie Budz album groove & translation....please please please do 1 or 2 reggae mastering video! Please
Me too! I've got another album I worked on for the label I've asked permission to share the process of working on, because it's a pretty unique case-study.
I'll bring it up with them in the new year about getting permission for the Collie album.
That's dope!
Logic has a feature called Normalise Region Gain and you can choose to affect the peak or LUFS. Would you recommend using that to achieve an overall peak or LUFS for any instrument or vocal? I’ve been playing around with setting peak to -6dB and going from there.
Depends, what's the goal of gaining up/down these regions?
If it's the same goal as what I'm trying to do in this video, it won't work the same because the normalise region gain is indiscriminate to vocal phases, sibilance and plosives.
SynchroArts are really good...using vocalign since 2005 I think.
You know Melodyne does all of that with a couple of clicks using a macro? As mentioned below, you just do a 100% macro and scan backwards to tweak the tiny stuff
BUT
TBH Micro managing this sort of edit level might be ok for amateur stuff but pro singers...just robs the humanity. All of the push and pull in a vocal just needs to be massage, not major surgery lol
THis is why AI songs will be indistinguishable...
INTENT, CONTENT and CONTEXT are the pillars of good art...everything else is a product
This is what sets the pros apart from non pros.
Detail !
What do you think about Rx 11's Leveler for clip gain?
I haven't used it for this purpose
didn't Melodyne have that for centuries already?
but to be honest, this workflow seems much better than melodyne
@@AliRI prefer Melodyne. Synchro Arts software lets me down all the time. Their Ara integration is very bumpy (if I’m being nice), their customer support takes days to answer silly questions that you wouldn’t need to have answered by other manufacturers and the list goes on and on. I don’t mean to hate, I genuinely believe that they could be the biggest brand in vocal editing tools in a matter of month, if they got their stuff together and made user interfaces that are actually usable. When it works, their stuff is great…
@@AliR I was going to say that, then like you thought it's a pretty cool workflow. I use clip gain (on edited clips) myself.
Yep. And there is even a melodyne macro to do it in 3 seconds for the whole track, no need to fiddle around.
Melodyne macros do that in a decent way.
I usually just edit the clip gains on Protools but this is waaay better because it seperates the sibilances!!! 🔥🔥Now i wont need to stack De-Essers😅😅😂
On Top of that i can get better NATURAL Pitch correction💎✨
Bang on!
Do you prefer the sound of deessing this way vs melodyne vs clipgain?
They are all clipgain.
@ I’m referring to manual clipgain, i.e. whether the hands on changes sound preferable in terms of how it gains in and out? More natural/human?
De-essing this way is nice, because as you see not all eesses need to be pulled back, infact I pull some forward to help with the diction in some words.
The only space I find this de-essing lacks, is when the sibilance has a sharp resonance, then I need to use a dynamic EQ
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What can I say, i'm a magician.
hi nick, could you share the specs of the macbook you are using in this session, thanks!
M1 max.
Running ProTools, logic (recording audio) and OBS all simeltaneously.
@@panorama_mastering thank you for the reply and the great video!
How do I save the File after processing?
Bounce the channel if you want to keep the changes.
woah
Shouldn't you do consistency compression first?
Because that already does some automatic leveling, requiring less work for the leftover gaining
This is all in preperation for applying any processing to the vocal chain.
Broadband compression doesn't differentiate between words, sibilance and breaths.
This process allows you to look deep into it.
⚠great... switch pro tools wave view from peak to power... makes clip gaining vocals easier...
goated!
Thank you!
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Takes the feeling away to be honest
Very useful tool, but insanely time consuming! 😂 all that time vocalign saves, you’ve lost it all to that volume control
haha yes, but when it comes to vocals I was already spending all this time automating clip-gain or setting up and wrigin in passages on vocal rider. This just moves the needle that bit more.
check out this video of Louis Bell (Post Malone's producer) flying through vocal tuning in melodyne at lightning speed. This just goes to show just how fast this process can become with experience, a great UI and keyboard shortcuts: ruclips.net/video/0t1yMrAaW_o/видео.html&ab_channel=Studio
lmao cubase had had these features from God knows when n its even faster to use. great to see tho
With the gain trace and grid?
Tinkering tinkering tinkering tinkering and then tinkering some more. Music flies by because time. What a waste of energy. Just let go. Focus on the real staff fam.
#talkingtomyself #canyourhearme?
This should be done at a last resort. Destroyed the vocal completely.