76 Damage At Level 2 // Weird Things You Can Do In DnD
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2021
- Abusing conjuration magic in DnD for some low level, BIG POWER shenanigans.
Don't be un-chill with your DM if they don't allow this, although it works RAW, it breaks campaigns, and is an exploit of an ability that hasn't had proper rules clarification.
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FAQ: Is the Poisoner feat necessary? Not technically, but I think it’s reasonable to demand a lot of experience in poisons to pull this off, and taking that basically covers us in our backstory. Also, bypassing poison resistance is nice!
Can minor conjuration even make poisons? Yes! It can make any non-magical, discrete item for one hour.
Does the poison vanish? Yes. It only lasts one hour and disappears when it deals damage, however it deals damage before it vanishes, and the 12d6 is instant, so no worries there!
This combo is maybe the most busted I’ve ever come up with. Don’t be angry with your DM if they ban it, as repeatable, free damage on this scale is totally game breaking at level 2. Purple Wurm poison is strong even at level 20, so use with caution, but if you use it on your DM, they might decide to use it on you!!
I have a couple questions:
Can you conjure rare materials (the equivalent of adamantite or mythral, or even Gold?). I admit, I would probably ask for 6d6 damage (half) because this is an imitation poison and is not the real thing. But that would still be awesome for that level.
Which book is minor conjuration in?
Reading up on the feature I have seen a lot of people claim that an effect from Minor Conjuration would only deal one damage... I cannot find the source of this and I would have to agree with your assessment of it being able to do the full damage then disappear.
@@killianfam8956 phb
@@piotrandrzejhertel4046 The "0 gp" bit was in regard to the use of a Diamond as a material component, while the "magical facsimile" bit was in regard to the creation of a spellbook. If conjuring purple worm poison wouldn't allow the poison to deal damage because it's a magical facsimile, then the same could be said of any weapon conjured with minor conjuration. The most you could argue is that the item conjured would be "less efficient" than the original, but that's not a rules-as-written thing, that's specifically a "I think this is too strong" ruling on the DM's part. The combo works perfectly fine because: 1) The object being conjured is non-magical in origin (though it is a magical facsimile once conjured), 2) The object being conjured is no larger than 3ft on any given side, 3) The object being conjured is inanimate, and 4) The object being conjured weighs less than 10 pounds. Those stipulations are being met, and it does not matter if it has a gp value of 0, as that has no bearing on the functionality of the item being conjured. You'll notice that Jeremy Crawford didn't go on to mention what would happen with the key, as it is still a key and functions as such. This is still a poison, and functions as such.
I am a warlock and you are my patron giving me eldritch knowledge
Hell yeah
The cult groweth
You only need one level for it, because your Patron is using you as a guinea pig for all these creative combos and demands you Multiclass for it. One of the feats is to alter your place in the universe to change your race/background in order to utilize different capabilities
@@JoshtheOverlander d a m n
So does that mean your warlock knows he's in a board game?
New player, playing a Rogue : 1d6 doesn't seem much, I would have expected more for a sneak attack
Veteran Wizard : How about a better sneak attack than what you get at level 20 ?
Me: orrr how about I just take two levels in Wizard and get both
You can outright SPAWN THINGS FROM THE ETHER at lvl 2!?!?Like from Minecraft's creative mode or Gmod's duplicant gun?How has NOONE exploited this?!?!
This man might aswell be the new Mr.Welsh,with his own "Do not do this" list...
@@BrunoMaricFromZagreb It has some serious limitations.I has size and mass limits of a 3 feet cube and 10 pounds, it can't be magical, you must have seen it at least once, and it lasts only for an hour, until it takes damage or until you summons another object.
It is also magical, like visibly magical, and it emits a bit of dim light.
@@draghettis6524 I have been watching Demonac's campaign,and recently their artificer made,and I quote:
"Fifteen cubic feet of arrows"
Could've been a more powerful version of the spell though.
STILL-having disappearing money for bribes,chains for prisoners,silver claymores for vampire etc. is so broken.
I remmember someone using prestidigitation on windowshutters to slam them into a pursuers face,creativity is deadlier than mere poison.
@@BrunoMaricFromZagreb What this video refers to is not a spell, but the 2nd level subclass ability of the Conjuration Arcane Tradition that can be used at will, named Minor Conjuration
I do not see anything in the RAW Artificer class that would allow to create 15 cubic feet of arrows, as Fabricate only creates object, that isn't just using the tools required for creating arrows.
One thing I find funny is that the object can be 3ft wide/high, so when I made a Kobold conjurer, rolled his height and got 2'5", i could summon a piece of full cover to hide behind if I needed to.
just use mold earth
which is fine, until they hit your cover with any damage.
@@IsshTM my dm has taken to making sure the ground is stone at all times.
minor conjuration is the most broken ability in 5e, I'm not even kidding
gonna write that one down for the session.
Most broken early game ability, some other abilities scale disgustingly in the mid to lategame
how
@@lastraven7205 The wording on the ability is vaugue enough that you can make all kinds of stuff, like deadly poison as this video explains.
If the DM doesn't impose any additional restrictions of that ability you use it for almsot anything; create a flask of oil to set fire to something, create a piece of jewlery and sell it for money, create a replica of the prison guards keys, etc.
The wording isn't vague at all you can make one single thing with it. Not potions or poisons or anything like that.
being a conjuration wizard with that feat and background can lead you to do some very very stupid things. I once used a sleep poison to clorophorm the entire goblin cave in "lost mines of Phandelver"
I did the same thing as an assassin rogue potion brewer, except it failed, I snuck in and went to spike their food with sleep poison and such, half way through, the party got bored, paladin climbed the wall, and drop kicked a goblin from 20ft, wizard and sorcerer used magic to blow up a door and funnel some goblins, cleric joined the paladin using arrow slots for their spells, me being the rogue already Inside, freaked out and hid as armies of goblins began running around, and I ended up 1v1 with a owl bear and one of the strong npc enemies, barely made it out alive throwing all my poisons and my scroll of lightning bolt that I didn’t know was lightning bolt, I had hid behind a door and ruined my hide, and ended up taking potshots for 3 rounds as I locked doors behind me around the building and waited for the owl bear and orc? To break them down, until I led them out to the casters, all while our ranger tried to seduce a snake person they met, and our Druid pretended to be the god of the goblins
@@isaacnilovod3162 What an absolute dumpsterfire
Once in Lost Mines, I breathed fire into a cave, and my friend used a spell to enlarge the flame to cook all the orcs inside. The ogre survived but just barely.
The fact that there isn't a gold value limit on minor conjuration like every other conjuration spell in D&D is astounding to me.
because if you read this ability carefully it means you can´t SELL it (outside of scams) but that leaves CONSUMEABLES open.
As a DM when my players ask me about crazy broken stuff, I just say: Ok, if I also get to use that against you.
That usually takes care of it.
How often is your party going to run into a conjuration wizard, who is a criminal that knows all about poison? Especially when there is one in the party.
There's a difference between polymorphing enemies into giant apes because your party does it a lot, and making a copy pasted character to specificly kill your low level party because one of the pcs is bringing a clever combo to the table.
@@jerrettmarks6399 My party usually does not show up with wild stuff like this. And I do not mind joking about stuff like this, but if their character would know how to break the system, why wouldn't all the powerful and knowledgable factions and NPCs know how? Breaking the game may be fun at first but I don't see any long term enjoyment found in constantly exploiting the system.
@@Ymryrth there's an easy fix for that and it isn't killing your party. Just say no. You're the dm and your word is law. If something is too outrageous to be fun, I would never say "ok but now you're gonna face that" and drag the entire party through the dirt just so the wizard can have this fun broken combo. It's much easier and arguably better to just say no. I've never had a group get upset if I veto one of their ideas, as it's my job as the dm to do that. Just my 2 cents
@@jerrettmarks6399 I like both of your solutions to the problem
@@jerrettmarks6399 What if they run into people who just use the actual poison
'DM, have I seen...'
'No, you haven't'
Dm: Roll me a history check.
Player: *Rolls anything under say a 15*
Dm: you don't know of that poison.
You have seen several poisons believed to be exactly that poison, however you doubted voracity of the claims from the hucksters who tried to sell you such a dangerous poison, would you like to attempt it?
The roller should at least have advantage, they picked a feat and a background just to do this specific thing.
@@googleaccount2288 its a very rare and expensive poison, being only a lvl 2 player, I don't think they would've realistically ever seen the poison, read about it sure, but not seen it.
@@ponymaster2939 they probably wouldn't have touched it but even the lowest of black market dealers could probably have seen it being passed around once.
@@googleaccount2288 I mean I dont think all the black markets casually openly trade 2000gp worth of poison in front of any low level crook. And if one of my player told me that "it's in their backstory" I would say that the poison that their character saw was not purple worm poison, it was probably fake.
I love how a level 2 character has seen purple worm poison and survived.
Did you not watch the video? He has a criminal background and on the black market they trade the stuff. It's not a far fetched thing.
@@theangler1922 a character that low level seeing something worth over 2000GP? Just seems unlikely that something like that would be displayed to bums (which is pretty much what you are at level 2)
@@MrThejunkman That is the dumbest logic I've ever heard lol... Your background, which is how you lived your life up to prior to that point which involves the black market. A market full of people sell and trading illegal goods has never even SEEN an item above his own character level? Since when does the black market revolve around his own character level? I swear people are so dumb lol
@@MrThejunkman, what's to stop the character from overhearing (via a check) and/or noticing a deal like that going down? All that is said is that you need to "have seen it before"...not "handled it before".
My favorite low level combo takes 2 players. 1 3rd level battlesmith artificer, 1 second level artificer of any kind.
Battlesmith makes his steel defender humanoid shaped. Both artificers use an infusion to make a bag of holding. Expendable steel defender charges the enemy, and puts one expendable bag of holding inside the other. Banish anything to another plane of existence for the price of two mundane bags.
Aha, the classic Holding Maneuver
Doesn't that simply remove an area from existence rather than send it to a other plane?
@@tomlaptain646 Astral plane, afaik
It KINDA removes stuff.
Works VERY well against no/low magic enemies.
COMPLETELY USELESS against those with acces to magic. (well, not completely, it might DELAY them)
So for a low level party that is willing to born 1000 gp AND TWO FUCKING BAGS OF HOLDING...
Yeah, be my guest. TOTALLY worth using this to take out a young dragon, heck even an ADULT one so you can take the hoard.
100% great combo, would approve of as a DM.
The idea that a second or third level character could make a bag of holding is beyond broken.
plz do weird things DMs can do in d&d
This is such a damn good idea!! I’ll have to make at least a few videos on this!! Thanks for the great suggestion :D
DMs can do anything though.
This entirely depends on if the DM allows this and any sane DM won't, I sure as hell wouldn't.
For something like this, I'd require a backstory with HOW the character saw this rare poison (and "I was a poisoner, duh" isn't good enough) or at least a roll to see if they came across it before.
Also, please understand that a good DM will tailor his adventures around your team to make it challenging. Expect a lot of undead in your future.
It's pretty easy to shut it down: the DM can just say you haven't seen purple worm poison, even while being a criminal, because that stuff is pretty rare and hard to find. You wouldn't find it lying around, nor it would be trusted to a low-ranked criminal such as you.
If the opportunity ever arrises that the part goes into a black market for whatever reason, I would ask to see if they have any poisons. (It makes sense based on your background) and ask the dm if they have purple worm poison. The dm knows you can’t afford it and may nonchalantly say yes. Leading to instant, and guaranteed vision of it. Otherwise ye, the dm may just shut you down.
Even so, while purple worm poison is rare, poisons in general can usually be found, so while it may not be as good as purple worm, you have a damn good chance of getting *something*
Inhaled venoms are huge of you can just start chucking gas grenades everywhere
@@offathered2101 that sounds more reasonable to me (if I'm the DM) than a random low-rank criminal being trusted with a rare vial of purple poison or it lying around in view of anyone in a black market. Rare and hard to find items in shady shops tend to be hidden and requiring some relationship to get some access to (my GM discretion, if your GM says it's ok, so be it).
Also, it being rare you wouldn't recognize it just by looking at a random vial just because it's purple.
@@cheeselord8153 Ah yes, the good ol' trick the GM into getting a broken combo trick. Nothing ever goes wrong when you make a fool of god.
@@Phox146 nothing could ever go wrong with fooling the Omni-potent god of the world.
I really like your videos. It help me a lot cuz i just started playing DnD with my cousins recently. Love your content man! Keep it up
yes man, that's right!
Really happy that they’re helping you get into this amazing game!! Don’t worry, I got lots more coming!
Time to do a high dex conjuration wizard that's proficient with firearms. Seen an extremely dangerous, experimental firearm once at an auction? Cool, it's mine now. For an hour.
the object disappears if it deals damage as well. It's been updated in the phb printing for a while now.
Which depending on the ruling still allows for a one off 12d6, but I'd rule that it only does a fraction of that, otherwise your balance is fucked.
If it disappears if it deals damage than that means it has to deal damage first, because otherwise it's not dealing damage so it won't disappear.
The amount of dedication that you need to have to make videos like this is incredible. You need a vast amount of knowledge and a crafty mind
No sane DM would allow this, but it's a really creative use of Minor Conjuration!
Yeah, for I am not a sane DM.
Read up on Drow. That moment you realise that the most evil nightmare race you do NOT want to fuck with can utilize this combo BEST.
Yeah this just became canon.
I don’t see why you wouldn’t allow this, what’s the issue ? It’s fine with the rules as written for minor conjugation. If you have a problem with them seeing it before how would you feel if they just went on a short adventure to see it. They are a criminal which means they have ties to markets where it would be sold. What you say then ? Just make it impossible to find? I feel like you see a really good character build and just don’t like it so you say no cause it doesn’t fit what you like.
It's simply OP...when I created my character I wanted Silvery barbs as spell, my DM denied my request, and analysing more carefully the spell I could see why...It was simply out of any reasonable logic and balancement 😂
I'm impressed this one is very good feasible and as a master I would totally allow it and be super happy for my players to use it if they can think of it and commit to the roleplaying of it. I might make them roll when coating the weapon for shits and giggles to see if they spill any on themselves LOL
Same.
They would absolutely yell at you if you made them roll, but it would be absolutely worth it.
You could coat anybody's weapon with that...
O no what has thou doneth
Happy that 80% of my group struggle with english. But worried 'cause the 20% speaks it fluently and... loves... shenanigans... O no
DM: Starts taking notes
already finished and YES!
OH but it gets WORSE:
Because this, this buffs DROW. And I mean the power of this is OFF THE FUCKING CHARTS!
If this combo works, it means the Drow that are going on those nightime-raids on the surface now have FREE POISION.
(F in this chat for the Dwarves because it only gets worse for them)
Because males = slaves and only males get wizard training.
Drow teach ALL SCHOOLS!
Level two conjuration mage? About the value of a LESSER demon.
Silver lining? will break away to met up with some Vhaeraun affilated guys as soon as he is given the chance.
Why are you still FUCKED? He only needs to be LEVEL 2 and the GEAS SPELL is something that Clerics of Lolth LOVE using. (that, or they simple use the magic of capitalism and outsourcing for their surface dealings)
He ain´t dispelling that one, matron mother dropped a 9th level slot just out of SPITE.
This is in fact SO BAD that there is a LORE JUSTIFICATION for GODS INTERVENING TO STOP THIS MAGIC FROM WORKING.
Oh sucks to suck though because LOLTH and VHAERAUN would agree that this combo kicks ass. They would be using it against each other but that really doesn´t work out for poor old Vhearaun...
Yeah you are gonna need a high magic ritual to fix that fucking mass once it proliferates. Knowing that the Drow experiment though... Yeah, this is canon.
@@sircastic959 You are right, it does get worse
Now this is the kind of broken that I hoped for when I subbed!
This is probably the most busted thing I’ve ever come up with, I’m not sure in terms of raw damage you can go higher at level 2 (without tons of game breaking magic items) but I’ll keep looking for ways to top it!
Me, the DM: Oh sure you can do that!
The next fight: So you see three roguelike figures...
This RUclipsr is brilliant. He managed to find a way to find a niche that encourages arguments and now he’s in the algo. Well played.
Purple worms are crazy strong creatures. There’s no way I’d assume any level one rogue or normal criminal has dealt with their poison. If it was that common, every bandit would be coating their arrows in it and one-shotting every party under level 5.
not every bandit has access to it though. as a criminal background character, you might have seen it before, but that doesn’t mean it would be easy obtain- unless you have the option to conjure it
A criminal poisoner doesn’t need to have had access to it. They just needed to SEE it in this case.
@@morgan9660 It’s worth 2000GP. It’s not going to be something openly displayed and even if they saw it used they’d have to know it was purple worm poison. The likelihood of a criminal being like “oh yeah I have this vial of extreme expensive poison -wanna see?”
Any GM that allows this to happen, deserves what they are about to get.
Explain how you're going to stop it.
@@xelgodis80085 Point to page 116 of the PHB.
@@xelgodis80085 Just say that since purple worm poison is rare a low lvl criminal would not be entrusted with being anywhere near it. Therefore they have never seen it.
@@snaketemplar5851 a criminal who's a specialist in poisons wouldn't be entrusted with a rare poison. Alright.
@@xelgodis80085 a criminal that is pre level 1 would not be entrusted with a extremely rare poison regardless of if that's what they specialize in. There are many other poisons of course but that one? Not likely
Any monster with immunity to poison, which is a large percentage. 'Hahahahahaha that tickled.'
DM: Always bare in mind, what you can do... your enemies have the potential to do
If you miss your dagger throw, the enemy is throwing that right back at you😂
The gloomstalker assassin that just coated 3 arrows before the ambush: *murder boner noises*
I'm preparing to DM sometime in the future (hopefully soon :P ) and seeing this is gold mine of looking up rules and finding the non-broken interpretation.
Seeing as how the object is supposed to disappear when dealing or taking damage I might consider ANY bottle (even booze) as disappearing on opening. Plus as some have stated online the rule is clearly intended to prevent any usage of minor conjuration as a damage dealing tool !
Dm: your underworld friends were less successful than you remember, you’ve never seen purple worm poison.
if you can have purple wurm poison so can your enemies, enjoy getting one shot by every enemy....
read it again, and no.
Also, WORSE.
There is ONE race where this combo applies to FLAWLESSLY.
Drow.
I would tell you to RUN but that ain´t doing the trick here.
"You can bet we will have seen a lot of this stuff moving around on the black market"
Umm... Idk about you but Purple Worm poison doesn't seem that commonplace in most of my games...
As long as you write a backstory, you could probably get the purple worm poison in there somewhere.
@@JamDonut11 I'm not saying it isn't possible. And it's a cool concept for sure. But purple worms themselves are already uncommon at best, and they take a pretty solid group of adventures to take down.
Being in the criminal circuit as a pre level 1 character I just think it's unlikely you'd have gotten the clout to even see something this rare and valuable. Other poisons? Sure
Also... I've been eaten by purple worms on two separate occasions, so I might have a bias on their deadliness
@@tstrat Maybe as a criminal from the underdark.
@@vindex57 A Drow Conjuration Wizard will 100% have seen it.
"You can bet we've seen a lot of this stuff." *pressing X to doubt*
Add artificer to infuse it with returning weapon for more fun
i was already building a grung throwing dagger performer/posioner so this really just amps his game to another level :)
Please do a video on Bard tricks! Whether that he feats, spells or other hacks, I’d love to learn about it. Thanks!
I would love to see such a video, too!
The first bard trick I can think of is swift quiver on magical secrets. As a ranger, you can't get swift quiver until level 17. As a bard, however, you can pick it up as early as level 10! It's pretty underwhelming, even if you go valor or swords bard, but it's a very unique build which would be fun in a lv11-12 or so one shot since you can multiclass into a class such as fighter for the archery fighting style and potentially action surge :)
My 10th level magical secrets is going to be find greater steed and Circle of power. Both paladin spells, and fairly powerful in their own way. He is a Lore bard, so his level 6 magic secrets was counterspell and eldritch blast. At 14th level that counterspell will be damn powerful when adding peerless skill to the mix.
It takes an action to apply, and it vanishes as soon as it takes damage. That means you get a single strike with the poison instead of the usual 1 minute of poison. I think RAI is that it's a single solid object, not a potion or a poison, but that the Minor Conjuration ability is poorly worded.
This was actually asked in a FB group I’m in like yesterday. The wizard feature lets you conjure an object. The poison is an object, the vial is too so therefore you could either conjure one or the other. A lot of people would argue the poison is magical and therefore cannot be conjured with this feature so you’re left with just an empty jar.
Just conjure the poison into an already empty bottle. As far as i know the purple worm has no magical origin so its poison shouldnt be magical either
@@dualitydisorder it's a magical beast.
and this is why I deemed Purple Worm Venom to be a magical substance at my table. in fact, I made a lot of poisons magical in nature for this very reason
Then your DM says "no, you haven't seen purple worm poison" and I die
your dm can always say "no you've never seen purple worm poison its super rare and you're level 2"
Pov:you give your fighter who can attack 16 times a turn a purple worm coated weapon
It's all fun and games until your DM rules that monster components can be naturally magical. 😂
As a player i love these ideas……..
As a DM this is the bane of my existence.
Love your vids. But without going through all the comments I can't be the only one who when it started thought you spiked your right eyebrow up over your hat because of the tag right 😆
Step one is always "be variant human" hahahha
I'd like to be at the table when the lvl 2 wizard tries convincing the DM his back story I valves a run in with purple wyrm poison. Bet he also saw a beholder and a mind flyer brain huh
This channel is the 5-minute crafts of d&d. That is not a compliment
Terminator build: war forge order of the lycan, with gladiator background, you get a anti matter rifle
But first, get laughed at by everyone for taking the poisoner feat
Step 1 : DM says no to free/infinite suply of super expensive poison.
Step 2 : Re-roll a new character.
Add this to a halfling Rouge and twins is just invincible
Yaknow....... if Buckard's Everful Purse is a actual item in 5e. By the wording. It replicates whatever is in the purse at dawn.
So pull this combo off before dawn. And put it in the sack. Making a real one. As the original disappears. Now leave that in the bag for 120 days (joke from the clone spell) and presto 121 viles of purple worm poison.
if it REPLICATES whatever is in the purse, shouldn't it just duplicate whole number of poison bottles every dawn? 1,2,4,8,16...
Or does it strictly have 2 item top capacity? and stops replicating if it has no space left?
@@romans4143 not sure. But there is a top out. I think it's based on weight. But I would say one a day at dawn.
Really would have to look at the item in a deep dive and go from there.
I was just spitballing the idea. Theory Craftbif you will.
You have purple wurm poison for an hour every day at dawn
@@JJRodriguez if you want to dm it that way sure. But technically the purse wouldnt see it as a spell. Just a vile of PW venom poison. And would copy it at dawn. Making it real. Despite the spell saying it only lasts for a hour. Timing is everything.
That’s like saying the kid who sells a 12th of an ounce of weed at high school has seen anthrax before
Wizards ruled that the conjured object can only deal one damage before disappearing, no matter what you summon
These character hacks that you should be considered war crimes
I am now scared because my new PC said he would be a variant human
Then you become a rougue assassin and make your DM the madness little bean ever.
Stuff that DMs don't want you to know 😂
Catapult...jars of this poison... Ideas
His eyebrow grew onto his beanie
The funny thing is I wanted to try this a couple weeks ago and now I know I can do it
Ok now imagine wizard 2/rogue 18 so you get the funny poison + that sweet sweet sneak attack damage
Player : I want to do this
DM :no
Anyone else realize that the Dune main theme is the background music
At level 4, sorcerers can cast 2 spells and deal 14d8 dmg, 28d8 if you use an enemy's vulnerability. That's 224 damage at max.
What's awesome is that if you land the first spell and your opponent keeps failing the saving throw, you can cast that same damage spell a couple more times before you run out of slots. On top of that, you can cast a cantrip like Firebolt or Shocking Grasp to deal 2d10 or 2d8 dmg every time.
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Holy shit. I Feel like this ability is so powerful that I’d have to put in my own errata to say the object must not exceed a gold piece value. Like seriously, that’s insane!!
Granted I would say it isn’t much of a stretch to say somebody at lvl 1 has never seen purple worm venom before
I mean purple worm poison contains traces of magic... boom hole closed
A lvl 2 poisoner working with the purp🤔🤣🤔
You are lucky Tasha even let's you trim the nightshade
You can catapult the vial of purple wurm poison for a similar, if slightly more looney tunes-esque, outcome
Thats how you get your DM to drop a Green Dragon on you REAL QUICK.
DM: HAHAHA NO!
The background music has never been more apt...
The player in my loves this the dm in me wants to cry
all good until the dm says "purple worms are an already rare creature and their poison is hard to harvest, you are also a second level adventurer the chance of someone even trusting you enough with even getting near the stuff is almost nil"
Time to be a Conjurer 3/Assassin 17 and demolish everything
I saw in the ability that damage to the object causes it to disappear and I would rule that the con saving throw is the body fighting it off is damage applied to the poison. So the poison would disappear before causing damage.
Thanks for posting low-level combos! Got any for transmuter wizards?
Transform 1 cubic foot of wood into silver for 1 hour and sell it for a LOT of money! My level 2 Wizard started the campaign in prison, but with 1000 extra gold as soon as I got my stuff back.
And with "Disguise Self" you can even make sure you are not caught.
We had a transmuter bypass almost every single lock and door by transmuting them into more breakable stuff. Wrought iron fence? Nice collection of wooden dowels we snap in half and step over.
@@AllenGray47 Why... in 4 YEARS... did I NEVER THINK OF DOING THAT?!
@@failtronic2646 Low int score I'm guessing.
Don't forget silvery barbs for that con save :)
I was playing Yian ti and had to hide PWP in a cup and "drink" it to get past some gaurds
This sounds fun. I hope my one player that always plays rogues doesn't spot this video 🤣
This has one flaw: the dm can say "no"
I have super easy shield you can make. Use polymorph turn into a large animal any animal larger than your character. Have someone freeze you solid which usually means down to zero hitpoints. Afterwards you turn back into yourself. You now occupy the space inside a block of ice where the bigger you used to be. You now have a nice see through bubble to shield you from damage. And since magic works with eyesight and hand gestures you can "magically" shoot through it without damaging the bubble.
the way I see it going at best is
player:"I conjure the purple worm poison"
dm:"ok, roll history to determine if you've ever seen one of those"
player:*rolls anything other than 20*
dm:"you conjure purple jelly because you can't remember anything else purple"
Knowing my luck, my character is gonna cut themselves and that's it for them
I'm pretty sure my DM would probably argue that even with the Criminal background, that your character would never have seen Purple Worm poison even on the black market. As he would probably consider that a "behind closed doors" type of poison as it would probably be a very rare, highly illegal, highly lucrative, and highly guarded item. So logic would follow that at level 1 or even 2, your character could never have even made the connections possible to even come close to seeing such a rare and valuable poison, let alone taken seriously enough by anyone who knew you were seeking it out. Or he'd probably rule for minor conjuration that you'd have to be fairly familiar with the item (i.e. spent a lot of time really 'solidifying' the item and its properties in your mind) before you could effectively recreate it. Or in other words, the more complex/sophisticated the item, the more familiar you have to be with it. Like you wouldn't be able to just freely recreate a clock because you saw one once. He'd probably argue your character has to actually know how a clock works before you could recreate a functional one. So I don't think he would consider "I saw it once before" as fair grounds to freely recreate some of the most powerful poisons in the game. Or he would just flat-out say you couldn't period.
Nice, conjuring poisons and alchemical substances hadn't occurred to me.
I think a high level college of spirits bard can also pull off the true polymorph/magic jar trick by using spirit session. What do you think?
I’ll check it out, sounds really cool!
It doesn't have to be a spirit bard. They get more Magical Secrets options at level 18, so could take both Magic Jar and True Polymorph without issue.
@@terak4786 Yeah, that is true. However, a spirit bard can pull it off a level sooner and the spirit session way doesn't count against known spells, although I'm not really sure what would happen after a long rest and you don't technically know the spell anymore...
I had a DM give me a Decanter of Endless Water he allowed me to make it also produce Whisky......and we had a mage with the firebolt cantrip :). And thus the DnD flammenwerfer was born ;p
How to balance it, have a secret count of times used,and have undercover agents hunt your party down, possibly giving a false quest to save somone, but jt actually leads to an ambush of your old gang, or some big black market baddies that have been wondering where their poison has been going
Cept that poison damage type is the most common resistance and immunity 😢
Used to be able to do this with Black Lotus extract back in the day. Never seen it in the wild though.
Couple of quick DM kludges to prevent this
1. Errata purple wurm poison as inherently magical, having been produced by a monstrosity and having incredible potency that defies what mere chemistry can do.
2. Errata the equipment entry to reduce the damage of purple worm poison applied to a human-sized weapon. The 12d6 damage represents the damage a large dose delivered by an intact stinger can deal, whereas the comparatively much smaller amount on a weapon might do one half to one quarter that much.
My two cents
As a DM I'd say that Purple Worm poison is so rare and elusive that a 1st level character would not have seen it as part if their backstory.
Basic poison? Sure, but for other poisons, I would require the player to obtain them properly. Either by buying from the criminal underground or harvesting it from venomous creatures.
Purple Worm Poison costs 2,000 gold for a reason, even a poisoner would have likely never seen it.