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I've realized this when playing alpha sapphire as swampert, which I only chose initially bc he looked the coolest to me, I didn't need my team 99% of the time if I had swampert. For one, his level goes up super fast in that game, and his moves are devastating. It kills the fun for team building but I still gotta love the guy
I feel this was the region we’re all the starters we’re solo runners if you wanted to and it was no problem. Also I feel the second generation were all the starters were loved outside of the first generation.
Yeah Swampert levels way too fast. I took him into victory road after failing elite four cuz underleveled team so i spent 3-5 hours back in the cave and took him to 100
Not surprised that Swampert is top of this list. Water/Ground is an amazing offensive and defensive type combination with only one weakness, and it's not super-common - while Water and Ground hit a wide variety of types neutrally or super-effectively - and Swampert's got the bulk and the power to make those attacks work.
Design wise maybe. It's not uncommon for there to be powerful Pokémon that are crippled by being slow. And Infernape isn't exactly a powerhouse, it just has respectable attacking stats on both sides complemented by a great speed stat.
I mean when Infernape uses 330 of its stats into Atk, Sp.atk and Spd almost equally, it's easy for the mon that specializes in basically Def and Atk only
You forgot that Emerald Wallace is problematic for Swampert, since his pokemon's STABs actually hurt it, plus Ludicolo completely shuts it down. Otherwise, that's pretty much it. It almost solo's the entire game unscathed.
solo starter only, yes it is a problem but if we are considering a normal playthrough, wallace isnt enough to consider it since he is at the end of the game
I remember when they introduced Mega Swampert, people apparently didn't know he was alerady 4x weak to grass, not that it mattered. Always chose mudkip, never failed to dominate the matches.
A good water type makes a team shine. If you choose a water type starter you are unlikely to be disappointed unless you roll a bad nature and bad overall stats, but that's true for any pokemon.
I wish they made my Samourott JUST slightly better 😮💨 not great stats overall compared to its rivals (A sp.d bulky build Serperior w either coil, SD, or Calm mind is kinda insane w it’s base speed) [fun fact: emboar can learn scald and willo 🗿)
@@cuck1ngfunt tbh feraligatr can easily beat it's region with little to none problem, easier than any other of his region's starters, so i dont quite understand the hate
@@Panos7Thyra Sure, but who besides 5 year olds and challenge runners actually does that? For a standard play through where you use several team members, water starters are usually the worst choice because every Pokémon game has good water types, and with the exception of Swampert, better water types. Feraligatr is the worst of the bunch because who doesn’t want to use an extremely strong free shiny Gyrados.
In the main adventure, Natures, EVs and IVs mean pretty much nothing. It's only in multiplayer that you need to start worrying about it. That's because most NPC trainers have 0 EVs on their Pokemon, and have piss poor AI. The one exception seems to BDSP's Elite 4 and Champion, and those games are not very well regarded.
You're a mad lad bro. Primarina is criminally underrated and looked down upon.. especially due to its prior evolution..and you gave it the love it deserves
Agreed. It’s my favourite of the Johto starters and I often give the same or similar move set in each play through: A STAB water type move until I get the HM for Waterfall Bite/Crunch Ice Fang The fourth move varies, from a second water type move to moves like Rock Smash, Headbutt, Thrash, Earthquake, or Superpower.
This is only true in HGSS. GSC Feraligatr, and especially GS Feraligatr actually has a really hard time. It has that old pokemon problem of "Great Attack stat, what are my physical moves, uh oh". GSC gen 2 is ran by Typhlosion, since it gets Thunderpunch, and is a fair contender for Earthquake. HGSS puts the two on more even footing. Feraligatr is probably better for a lot of the game, but gets completely and utterly outclassed by Gyarados, while Typhlosion is easily the best Fire type available before Kanto. Feraligatr for early game, Typhlosion for unique niche and later payoff.
Damn right Primarina is good. Sparkling Aria is so useful simply because it can hit multiple targets, which is a godsend for most of the Totem fights and when enemy pokemon keep calling for reinforcements.
Okay but if you're talking G1 movesets venusaur with Toxic and leach seed (glitched effect) covers pretty much everything bar grass, poison and flying types add growth for the turns toxleach is doing its thing and razor leaf if you're impatient and you're good to go, my venusaur outlived blue's charizard using fire blast
Gen 2 typholsion should at least have a shoutout. Especially during the original games. The physical special stat split didnt happen yet and the amazing move pool he learns is amazing. Literally all you need is typholsion and lugia to beat the game especially in silver since you get lugia early
Typhlosion is the best starter in the original Gen 2 games not because it's great, but because how godawful the other 2 are in those games while it's only notable moves that are good are just Fire punch and Thunder punch because how late it learns Flamethrower...
The only reason I disagree with Blastoise over Venasaur is because Kanto has no shortage of Water types. You can easily find another Water type to replace that spot in your team, Vaporeon, Gyarados, Lapras, Tentacruel, Slowbro, Starmie…I could go on. Meanwhile, your only option for a solid grass type is Oddish/Bellsprrout (which are version exclusives) or Exeggcute. From a team building standpoint, Venasaur is just more attractive to me. I also don’t think Venasaur falls off as hard you might think in the late game. It’s still useful against the final gym and numerous mons in the E4 and champion team. You won’t be sweeping an entire e4 member with Venasaur, but it will come in handy in more fights than not.
Other than Gyarados, Gen1 water types are quite late. Blastoise is strong throughout the whole game. Venusaur lacks good damage moves and is quite vulnerable despite bulky stats. It's also very weak until getting Razorleaf. Executor is a better choice and it being late is less of an issue.
Venusaur isn't bad against Agatha's poison....Venusaur is grass/poison type, and therefore virtually unaffected by poison, what it does struggle with with Agatha is her Golbat with Wing Attack and Dream Eater from her Haunter And Gengars
I don’t agree with Blastoise being better than Venusaur. On the offensive side, it is clearly better, but Venusaur’s typing is better in a kanto playthrough than Blastoise’s pure water type. Plus, Venusaur can use leech seed, sleep powder and toxic, moves that are very useful and help the other pokémon of our team, and last but not least, there are better water types than Blastoise (Starmie or Lapras, for example) but Venusaur is very probably the best grass type in kanto. Your arguments for Blastoise are valid, I gotta be honest, and in the end, it’s also a matter of opinion and if you prefer playing Blastoise, well, enjoy ! And other than that, this is a really good video !
i use venusaur on my first kanto playthrough but found it bit really fun, specially the poison type when i use nidoking and gengar on my team then i switch to charizard, i really really want to use blastoise tbh but i plan on using lapras as my water pokemon in team 😅
An argument against primarina is that ist has a poison weakness and can't defeat Team Skull. Yes, but it can learn Psychic from TM and kills every poison type. Primarina with Sparkling Aria, Ice Beam, Moon Blast and Pschic is so overpowered!
That's probably why they should have gave Leon a pokemon from his region (why does he even have a charizard in the first place why couldn't it have been a dragapult)
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I like how there is a dig cave with wild diglett and dugtrios next the LT. Surge. You even find some insane levels like 32-36. Stronger than his Raichu.
Yep! First time I beat the game when I was like 11 years old, I did it with Blastoise and Dugtrio. I didn't really get the concept of "training", I just used what was good. Dugtrio starting out near level 30 made it good.
more than that, you can get and teach dig to squirtle before facing surge, so even if you are solo, you can still deal with him with relative ease(not easy, but with a much better match up than charmander would have against misty).
I used my decidueye the wrong way. I was mainly using him as my resident Pokémon catcher mon as he has access to Foresight and False Swipe as well as being immune to normal moves which was very useful in stopping beldum from take down suicide so he effectively can bring any mon down to 1 HP so I brought another mon that had hypnosis or something to catch every mon in the game… this was the strat I used to get a beldum and Tapu Lele in a beast ball
Finally, someone mentions Swampert and his 1 type weakness. I've been saying this since the beginning of gen 3 about Swampert and has been my fav of all time. My second fav would have to be Typhlosion with the move Thunderpunch (Gen 2) after teaching it to him at the Battle frontier.
My Gen 2 team was just Typhlosion, Tauros, and Tyranitar. In Crystal, Donphan was part of it because Phanpy can be caught early in the morning in grass heading north in the middle of the first route. But even though I love my Flare, every Typhlosion I ever get, there's no mistaking the absolute beast that Feraligatr is in Gen4. Surf& Waterfall for STAB, learns Ice Fang & Crunch, bulky& strong enough for Dynamic Punch, Thrash, and Outrage.
I couldn't agree more, I love to see one of my fav Pokémon of all times (and my first pal) take the first spot in this classification, well deserved Swampert❤🎉
Cinderace is number 1 if it has the hidden ability Libero it can give him the best moves of multiple types by changing his type to his moves type any move that has ball in the name he can learn like electro ball, Shadow ball, energy ball, and pyro ball it is OP because it also has moves like scorching sands for ground type, sucker punch for dark u-turn for bug, acrobatics for flying, Gunk shot for poison, iron head for steel, and zen headbut for psychic it can literally be 11 types.
In gen 1, Bulbasaur has a lot more going for it than just it's type match-ups. It also has access to sleep powder (where sleep is broken in gen 1) and both Growth and Swords Dance, 2 of the best set-up moves in the game. Also, there are far more good water types easily available in gen 1 than there are grass types. To be honest though, I don't think there's a bad choice of starter in gen 1. All 3 can easily carry you through the game.
Swords Dance is good if you teach is Body Slam, but there's basically no reason to teach Venusaur Growth. Venusaur's best move in Gen 1 is Razor Leaf, which has a 98% chance of landing a critical hit. Critical hits ignore all stat changes in Gen 1, so using Growth is basically a waste of a turn, unless you're running Mega Drain instead
Me as a kid not knowing about typings (except swampert is weak to grass) wondering why I don't get any "it's super effective" message against him. Then once I learned it, I'm not surprised why and since then I always get mudkip as my water Mon whenever available.
Saying Venusaur is anywhere near equal to Blastoise in Gen 1 is actually insulting. Charizard was used for Speedruns before people realized that Blastoise was the best starter in Kanto, and then people started doing Nidoking runs. Venusaur was never even considered. It's not even close.
Honorable mentions should've included Tepig/Emboar in Black/White. No starter has a positive MU on their first gym battle there but Tepig has the best one as it gets STAB Flame Charge and can steamroll once it gets a couple speed boosts on the leader's Lillipup After that, it beats Lenora, Burgh, has the best MU of the three vs Elesa, does fine vs Clay as it beats Excadrill and Krokorok, doesn't do too well vs Skyla but by then you can pair Flame Charge with Heat Crash or Rock Tomb and take down her fliers, then beats Brycen with ease and fares well vs Drayden's pure dragons. Furthermore, he has advantageous MUs vs Cheren's Liepard and Unfezant, Bianca's Stoutlant, N's Sandile, Scraggy, Boldore, Ferroseed, Joltik, Klink, Klinklang, Zoroark, Carracosta, Vanilluxe and even the legendary dragon if he has Earthquake. He also beats Grimsley' team by default as well as Ghetsis' Bouffalant, Hydreigon and Bisharp, and has a positive match up against most of Alder's team. You can easily clear the first half of BW with only Tepig which is a pretty tall order for Snivy and a fairly complex one for Oshawott, mainly because of how difficult Lenora Burgh and Elesa are for them.
On a side note I do think rival fights are important fights, most can be a pushover but there are some notorious nuzlocke enders such as Blue's Silph Co battle and May's Route 110 battle which goes to show how difficult they can be.
Flygon HG has nuzlocke video with "kanto starters only" in FireRed. And that is: Bulbassaur is amazing during 30% of the game, Blastoise is a beast in the rest.
Typhlosion in gen 2 is pretty broken in a playthrough. Just typhlosion with fire punch, and thunderpunch can carry you through so much. It also gets earthquake, and dynamic punch. If you pick cyndaquil it makes the already pretty easy game easier. I still pick chikorita though even though most say its one of, or the worst starter. I disagree heavily though. I have my own take on chikorita.
My own list, prior to watching the video. Honestly I'd like to just put Empoleon slot 5, but feel I ought to recognize how good Venusaur is, and should have at least one Grass type in the list. Venusaur or Torterra are basically the only Grass types that would make my cut, considering my relative dislike for mono-type Pokemon, Sceptile is still a contender despite that. 5. Venusaur 4. Greninja 3. Infernape 2. Blaziken 1. Swampert
Forgot to mention infernape's insane coverage (mach punch right before the rock gym and grass knot after the second, +access to acrobatics, and i think earthquake)
Just here after watching your top 5 weakest starters btw and after this vid your fricking earned my sub! Somehow I really do agree to your list here.. Swampert was basically my go-to starter pokemon in all Gen 3 The guys a freak of nature and the thing that can stop it is nature itself (Grass)... While on Primarina, I'm all hands down to it... peopl hating poplio before the launch of Sun/Moon don't deserve it LMAO... at level 36 your basically a Dragon, Dark, Fighting slayer
Never pick based on the first gym, the latter gyms are vastly harder while the first are easy. Torchic may be weak against the rock gym, but Combusken one shots them all. Treeko is good here, but suck for Wallace the ice leader, the psychic gym, the flying gym, the fire gym, Team Magma, the ice Elite four member and most of Steven's Pokémon. Mudkip is a good second, but Blaziken slays all of them bar the psychic gym which is the only real obstacle unless you grind a bit more.
I'm surprised Typhlosion is not on the list. But maybe type wise it doesn't beat as much as I remember. But it felt super OP in my playthrough of gen2 with it.
GSC Cyndaquill is bottom 5 starter. Especially if you play with LV cap. 1. learn ember at level 12. Which might not sounds that bad until you realize the lvl cap for Falkner is 9. Which mean you're stuck with just tackle to beat Falkner. GOOD LUCK!!! 2. It's only stab option is ember until level 31 when it learn Flame wheel. 3. Quillava cannot learn punching move. Typhlosion is the one who learn the punching move. Which mean yes you stuck with ember until 31. 4. It evolve way to late. Unlike Feraligatr who evolve at 30 or Meganium who evolve at 32. He evolve at 36. Which mean the only time he will be able to bring out the punching move is against Claire who resist all of the punching move.
@@riqua27 I definitely was not using a level cap challenge when I played gold version. Seems kinda irrelevant to bring up tbh. Even if you wanna talk about a level cap challenege, I am certain the other starters wouldnt fair any better against falkner at lv9. The video focused on type matchups mostly and cyndaquil only has a bad matchup against Clair which all 3 of the starters also have bad matchups since dragon resists all 3 starters. In the elite four there are only 3 problematic pokemon out of 20 total and lance himself for typhlosion. But again, all 3 of the starters struggle against lance. Typhlosion is clearly king in gen 2.
@@TheWarlordShogun 1. Not really. There's a reason why speedruner and minimum battle run use totodile as their starter. ruclips.net/video/Po9Xvm1HKno/видео.html 2. Totodile actually fare better than Cyndaquill in every way. He stay neutral most of the game. Rage is just so OP it carry you half the game. Also Lance and Claire is not a problem for Feraligatr Cause he learn Ice punch. Not to mention in LV cap run Feraligatr is actually not having the same issue with Typhlosion cause he evolve at level 30. 3. Why I talk about LV cap? A lot of reason. You see if you playing Nuzlocke LV cap is usually the rule they implement. Outside of Nuzlocke LV cap is actually one of the method you use to judge Pokemon equaly. You see in Pokemon you can overlevel any Pokemon and beat the game. You've seen right that people beat the game using Weedle. Because of that LV cap is a way to equalize the Pokemon when it come to comparing Pokemon.
@@TheWarlordShogun the problem is that you are forgetting how good of a type ferraligatr is. it has access to earthquake and ice beam, which means, its 2 biggest problems, grass and electric goes from a disadvantage to a 50-50 at worst. it is also like blastoise in that its pretty much the only starter of its gen which can deal with its "weak match up" incredibly easy.
@@riqua27 In fact, it is a way to compare Pokémons and the Level Cap is always 100. You compare Pokémons at level 100, and not before. Now, if you want to compare a Pokémon at a certain point in the game, you must consider the in-game experience available until then, the available catchable Pokémon, the viability or not of team compositions or a solo run, and not arbitrary nuzlocke LV Cap that does not represent the official way of playing the games. That said, Todile is better Lol.
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Except my comfey team. Back when rain was all over the ladder with Tornadus therian, Mega pert, Pelipper, toxapex, etc - I made a sun team that used growth Venusaur and growth comfey as a gimmick, then hit top 50 with it. Turns out, comfey hard countered half the gen 7 OU meta. Hawlucha, Swampert, kommo-o, Greninja - all victims
"The Pokemon everyone thinks of when you say fire/fighting." No. That would go to the OG fire/fighting starter Blaziken. Infernape was a nice sequel, though.
So Swampert is actually my favorite Pokémon of all time, and I clicked this just because I got excited when I saw one in the thumbnail just happy that he made this top five at all. But to see him top the list… It only makes me happier and realizes how Swampert is an even bigger tank than I had previously thought! Oh how I’ll always love my fully evolved mud fish…
The only one I use is swampert. Also besides factoring in stats you should also look at catchable Pokémon for example Venusaur is the best kanto starter when you factor in all other catchable gen I grass types
Alll 3 gen 3 starters were monsters. Blaze and sceptile were both sweepers who rarely got hit and swampert both tanked and cleared without being frequently hit
How overpowered they were actually made me do a ton of Zigzagoon and Linoone runs. Also partial geodude runs and Numel/camerupt runs until camerupt became overpowered himself
the main advantage of blastoise is how it can boost your team composition. it can deal with pretty much any type, including the ones its weak against, for example, in the entire elite 4, the only thing that might be a problem are the 2 gyarados. and even then, its bulky enough, and has access to withdraw, which boosts its defence. maybe alakazam could be problematic due to psychic, but it wont one shot you unless you get really unlucky, and it can certainly delete alakazam with earthquake afterwards. as for catchables, again the squirtle line is superior, as the only 2 gyms you would need help with, misty and surge, have massive weakness to pokemon you can find before them, with pikachu and bellsprout, with oddish also working well enough. if you are in red(which has oddish and you dont want to bother training it), you can also try using a jigglypuff, it learns disable pretty early on, use that on starmie, and you can make it unable to use bubblebeam. after that just swap to squirtle/wartortle and beat it with whatever you want.
The day i learned typhlosion can learn thunder punch. It was all over . My experience in pokemon gold was solid with that starter. Anyone with feraligatr felt confidence during link battles or when you ran into your rival , but that thunder punch humbled them quickly and any grass pokemon would easily burn🔥. Typhlosion should definetly be on this list.
@catman9222 i started off with cyndaquil. It was smooth, nothing crazy. When i got silver i did feraligatr , not a fan of carrying water pokemon unless is a starter so surf came in handy. Then, I restarted with chikorita that was a mistake. Straight trash.
1. I'm very happy none of the black and white starters were even considered for top mentions. They're all abysmal, with only Samurott having some lasting usefulness, but getting clearly overshadowed by a captured Gyarados or Starmie midgame, depending on BW1/BW2. Emboar is clowned on by Sheer Force Darmanitan, and you can capture Darumaka on Route 4. Likewise Serperior gets clowned on Leavanny's better typing and movepool availability, and again you catch Sewaddle pretty early into the game. I understand Contrary Serperior is amazing for competitive, but your starter Snivy will never have Contrary, so a Grass type that can Leaf Blade, X-Scissor, Shadow Claw, Poison Jab is very nice by comparison to a Grass starter limited to normal and grass type attacks for most of the game. 2. Swampert is an excellent #1 pick. There are no complaints here. Ice/Ground/Water coverage with a Normal or Fighting type (ex: Brick Break) attack for the last slot is very useful. Nothing really outdoes Swampert at what it does when it's available. Gyarados is a strong water pokemon in every game it appears in, but given that it doesn't have the same easy access to ground-type moves (and lacking Ground STAB), and it doesn't hit as hard with Water or Ice type moves due to lower SpA, Swampert still just carries hard throughout the game with its wide movepool. 3. I'd disagree that Blastoise is even that good to be considered top 5. Blastoise is middling in all stats, and its 85 special is outdone by a freshly caught Tentacool right after you get the old rod in Dewford Town, which has 100 special. Yes. Tentacool (before it evolves to Tentacruel) outdamages Blastoise, assuming both are at the same level. Not to mention Tentacruel evolves at Level 30, which is sooner than Blastoise. It's also got access to Swords Dance + Double Edge, in addition to Wrap, and the obligatory Blizzard + Surf. Yes, Blastoise can use Dig early, and all that, but if we're just looking for a middle-of-the-road Pokemon that clears RB easily and solo, Nidoking does it better and can be in your party as soon as you get to Mt Moon and get your first Moon Stone. It also learns Surf, though it doesn't get the STAB and it's off a lower 75 special stat. Yes. These non-starter alternatives I list aren't starters and don't deserve to be in a top 5 overpowered starter list, but I find it hard to argue that starters can be "overpowered" if they get outdone by easily caught non-starters. It puts into question "Why use this starter if I can just catch and use the clearly better instead, less than an hour or two into the game?"
Smith: The Pokémon everyone thinks of when you say fire/fighting... Me: Oh Blaziken, my favourite! Smith: Infernape. Me: Oh yeah, that's also fire/fighting 😅
Exactly and while you can't poison AND PUT a pokemon to sleep you CAN put them to sleep AND STILL drain their HP via Leech Seed/Mega Drain. The later games Bulbasaur is still useful via Sleep Powder Giga Drain Solar Beam And Sunny Day to use Soloar Beam without the 1 turn wait. Swampert is good and all but I still prefer Torchic as the best starter in the Ruby Sapphire Emerald games OR its DS remake.
I love swampert or even emporeon, emporeon, because of it being steel/water pokemon, also swampert, being water/ground both having sooo leess weakness.
I think Blaziken got outplayed for gen 3 Blaziken has an amazing move set and can rip through the elite 4 by itself at lvl 74. The fact that Sky Uppercut that it learns literally 1 shots a lot of the other moms in the game. You don’t really have to worry about it’s type disadvantages as Blaziken has insane speed and can get off its moves before getting hit by its weaknesses. Just something to mention as I breezed through all three games with Blaziken leading the pack.
@@billagap3213not just Battle Frontier, but even in the overworld. Swampert can Surf, Dive, and Waterfall, so you don't need 2 HM slaves to get to the Elite 4.
As a gen 8 player I used cinderace in my first team and it was brutal aiganst Nessa but in late game it is just good getting bounce helps and in my 3rd team it was even stronger as in late game and sweeping most Marco cosmos steel types and I say don't disrespect a starter if it's bad I used inteleon and I was shocked that it survived a max overgrow by charizard and it has great speed + Corviknight it helps with my team
I would argue that in the bdsp games torterra is actually kind of bad especially in a nuzlocke with level caps format. Roark's cranidos requires using razor leaf which has imperfect accuracy even after a growth boost. It also has to pray it doesn't get flinched. Gardenia straight up requires using a different pokemon if you dont want to take forever. Jupiter is a serious struggle. Maylene can be difficult as there is little grottle can do to stop lucario from bulking up and drain punching. Crasher wake is a pretty tough time for grottle. Gyrados starts off with an intimidate and packs ice fang for hax mode. Floatzel with ice fang and bite is yet more hax mode. Fantina is yet another problem. Drifblim is a terrible matchup and it packs wilo wisp, strength sap, and fly to mess with torterra. Gengar and mismagius can both play the confusion game and hit torterra pretty hard. Torterra finally does well against byron but not remotely as well as infernape. Candice is just ×4 weakness everywhere. The Jupiter Mars fight can be a huge problem. It can be difficult to prevent the bronzors from setting up screens as well as spamming confuse ray. The two golbats, purugly, and skuntank all have super effective moves on torterra. Cyrus is another problem. Cyrus starts with a 100% crit air cutter Honchkrow followed by a air cutter crobat, ice fang gyrados, and aerial ace weavile. The final gym, volkner, still has a few surprises for torterra. Octillery if it can out speed can hit hard with aurora beam and luxray is carrying ice fang. The final barry fight is also tough. Barry has a focus sash staraptor, ice fang floatzel, heracross, toxic roserade, snorlax, and infernape to get through. Aaron is a struggle with all the bugs. Torterra does really well against bertha and her ground types. Flint's fire moves as well as drifblim specifically are a bad time for torterra. Lucian can be difficult due to mr mime setting up screens and the amount of damage his pokemon can inflict including an ice punch medicham. Torterra actually does ok in the Cynthia fight only really having a problem with milotic's ice beam. Garchomp is still pretty difficult for torterra to bring down on its own.
Funny thing about Swampert line. In ORAS Marstomp learn protect at LV 32. Which mean in ORAS Swampert line actually fare against Norman way better than Blaziken line. Especially if you play on LV cap. Good luck beating Norman with Combusken.
@@demetriuspowell29 How? I can see Combusken beating Linoone or spinda. But Slaking is just no bueno. You can check out yourself on damage calculator. Even with 0 IV slaking. Slaking Facade still guarantee 2HKO while Combusken can't do that with double kick. Even with badge Boost added it will still do around 40% to slaking. And remember this is 0 IV slaking I'm using. Norman Slaking definitely not have 0 IV.
@@yorecf9641 I guess but you're still in 2 shot range after a bulk up. If you play it in normal playthrough with item allowed I can see it happening. In Nuzlocke though is a big no. It's too risky.
@@riqua27 you can also just spam Bulk Up even without items. It’s worked for me in the past. Not saying that I think Blaziken is the best starter, just explaining how Jane could’ve done it. Edit: Jane, not OP.
Me, a grass-type lover, always played with Venusaur and Sceptile but my gameplays with Blastoise and Swampert were a BLAST. They could tank almost anything in the game while dealing a big amount of damage. They had my heart since then ❤️
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Bulbasaur is better because out level everything or have more than one pokemon
I’m genuinely surprised that feraligatr isn’t on the list this fool has an answer to literally every matchup his coverage is INSANE
Greninja is the broken one. You don't understand, so never in a million years.
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I've realized this when playing alpha sapphire as swampert, which I only chose initially bc he looked the coolest to me, I didn't need my team 99% of the time if I had swampert. For one, his level goes up super fast in that game, and his moves are devastating. It kills the fun for team building but I still gotta love the guy
Mega swampert be goated
I feel this was the region we’re all the starters we’re solo runners if you wanted to and it was no problem. Also I feel the second generation were all the starters were loved outside of the first generation.
Yeah Swampert levels way too fast. I took him into victory road after failing elite four cuz underleveled team so i spent 3-5 hours back in the cave and took him to 100
@@chandlergarrison7926 you could rebattle players you just defeated for faster leveling
@@jayc6743 nah nobody liked meganium
Not surprised that Swampert is top of this list. Water/Ground is an amazing offensive and defensive type combination with only one weakness, and it's not super-common - while Water and Ground hit a wide variety of types neutrally or super-effectively - and Swampert's got the bulk and the power to make those attacks work.
keep in mind out of all the starter with no further in battle evos, swampert has the highest BST being 535
it only has 1 weakness, which it also counters because it has access to ice moves. so at worst it becomes a 50-50.
Not to mention mega swamp with waterfall being it’s stab!
Exactly!!! It's only weakness is Grass!!!
@@parasstephenson1704 I'd prefer Hydro Pump because I'm not a fan of HM moves but yeah, it works
Fun fact:Torterra has higher attack than Infernape. That’s surprising
Design wise maybe. It's not uncommon for there to be powerful Pokémon that are crippled by being slow. And Infernape isn't exactly a powerhouse, it just has respectable attacking stats on both sides complemented by a great speed stat.
I mean when Infernape uses 330 of its stats into Atk, Sp.atk and Spd almost equally, it's easy for the mon that specializes in basically Def and Atk only
@@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy yeah I know
Fun fact Sceptile stats sucks and is coolest starter
Shit choice
and it gets Earthquake before Monferno gets CC
You forgot that Emerald Wallace is problematic for Swampert, since his pokemon's STABs actually hurt it, plus Ludicolo completely shuts it down. Otherwise, that's pretty much it. It almost solo's the entire game unscathed.
solo starter only, yes it is a problem
but if we are considering a normal playthrough, wallace isnt enough to consider it since he is at the end of the game
It has a reason why speedrunner dont evolve it. Mono water go brr
Yeah you can actually solo this game with Mudkip or swampert lmao
@@SubSonicCub With X-Items
you can just switch it out if you encounter a grass type though
As a fan of Swampert, this video puts a smile on my face.
Also in later gens freeze dry is a problem for Swampert too, but who uses that.
You'd be surprised, lol
Choice spec kyurem wants to introduce itself
Feraligatr stares from the opposite side of the lake.
Obviously when I was a kid I was doing the optimal strategy by just using swampert.
I remember when they introduced Mega Swampert, people apparently didn't know he was alerady 4x weak to grass, not that it mattered. Always chose mudkip, never failed to dominate the matches.
A good water type makes a team shine. If you choose a water type starter you are unlikely to be disappointed unless you roll a bad nature and bad overall stats, but that's true for any pokemon.
I wish they made my Samourott JUST slightly better 😮💨 not great stats overall compared to its rivals (A sp.d bulky build Serperior w either coil, SD, or Calm mind is kinda insane w it’s base speed) [fun fact: emboar can learn scald and willo 🗿)
Feraligatr is pretty disappointing. You’re getting a poor man’s Gyrados in a region that gives you the shiny version for free.
@@cuck1ngfunt tbh feraligatr can easily beat it's region with little to none problem, easier than any other of his region's starters, so i dont quite understand the hate
@@Panos7Thyra Sure, but who besides 5 year olds and challenge runners actually does that?
For a standard play through where you use several team members, water starters are usually the worst choice because every Pokémon game has good water types, and with the exception of Swampert, better water types. Feraligatr is the worst of the bunch because who doesn’t want to use an extremely strong free shiny Gyrados.
In the main adventure, Natures, EVs and IVs mean pretty much nothing. It's only in multiplayer that you need to start worrying about it. That's because most NPC trainers have 0 EVs on their Pokemon, and have piss poor AI.
The one exception seems to BDSP's Elite 4 and Champion, and those games are not very well regarded.
You're a mad lad bro. Primarina is criminally underrated and looked down upon.. especially due to its prior evolution..and you gave it the love it deserves
feraligatr deserves honorable mention, that guy can solo johto playthrough with little sweat
Agreed. It’s my favourite of the Johto starters and I often give the same or similar move set in each play through:
A STAB water type move until I get the HM for Waterfall
Bite/Crunch
Ice Fang
The fourth move varies, from a second water type move to moves like Rock Smash, Headbutt, Thrash, Earthquake, or Superpower.
This is only true in HGSS.
GSC Feraligatr, and especially GS Feraligatr actually has a really hard time. It has that old pokemon problem of "Great Attack stat, what are my physical moves, uh oh".
GSC gen 2 is ran by Typhlosion, since it gets Thunderpunch, and is a fair contender for Earthquake.
HGSS puts the two on more even footing. Feraligatr is probably better for a lot of the game, but gets completely and utterly outclassed by Gyarados, while Typhlosion is easily the best Fire type available before Kanto. Feraligatr for early game, Typhlosion for unique niche and later payoff.
I love
Yes couldn't agree more and Typhlosion.
Yeah GSC Typhlosion was a GOD!!! I honestly think he should be on this list. The only struggle he has Milktank on the third gym
Damn right Primarina is good. Sparkling Aria is so useful simply because it can hit multiple targets, which is a godsend for most of the Totem fights and when enemy pokemon keep calling for reinforcements.
And Fairy secondary typing is a good thing as well. Not for covering Water's weakness but the sheer additions it gains from Fairy is solid
@@astralguardian5930 True, a lot of very strong Pokemon are weak to Fairy type moves.
You forget to mention something important when you were talking about Primarina's moveset: It can also learn Energy Ball, which is absolutely insane.
Yep. Energy Ball is the Special Attack version of Leaf Blade with the same 90 power.
@@nick56677 doesn't leaf blade have high crit rate though?
@Kolten Smith I believe it does, I haven't played in a while. Both are great attacks tho depending on your pokemons stat of course.
Why would primarina need it tho? Already surfs through rock and ground types
@@lukaskuipers7791 true.
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Monferno actually learns Close Combat at 36 and then evolves immediately afterwards.
Okay but if you're talking G1 movesets venusaur with Toxic and leach seed (glitched effect) covers pretty much everything bar grass, poison and flying types add growth for the turns toxleach is doing its thing and razor leaf if you're impatient and you're good to go, my venusaur outlived blue's charizard using fire blast
Gen 2 typholsion should at least have a shoutout. Especially during the original games. The physical special stat split didnt happen yet and the amazing move pool he learns is amazing. Literally all you need is typholsion and lugia to beat the game especially in silver since you get lugia early
Typhlosion is the best starter in the original Gen 2 games not because it's great, but because how godawful the other 2 are in those games while it's only notable moves that are good are just Fire punch and Thunder punch because how late it learns Flamethrower...
Feraligator is still a stronger choice. The lack of special is not a problem and it also has a great movepool. Totodile also destroys the early game.
@@V-JesFeraligator is very strong and can more of Gen2 than Typhlosion. This is even more true in the remakes but still true for the originals.
The only reason I disagree with Blastoise over Venasaur is because Kanto has no shortage of Water types. You can easily find another Water type to replace that spot in your team, Vaporeon, Gyarados, Lapras, Tentacruel, Slowbro, Starmie…I could go on. Meanwhile, your only option for a solid grass type is Oddish/Bellsprrout (which are version exclusives) or Exeggcute. From a team building standpoint, Venasaur is just more attractive to me. I also don’t think Venasaur falls off as hard you might think in the late game. It’s still useful against the final gym and numerous mons in the E4 and champion team. You won’t be sweeping an entire e4 member with Venasaur, but it will come in handy in more fights than not.
Other than Gyarados, Gen1 water types are quite late. Blastoise is strong throughout the whole game.
Venusaur lacks good damage moves and is quite vulnerable despite bulky stats. It's also very weak until getting Razorleaf. Executor is a better choice and it being late is less of an issue.
Venusaur isn't bad against Agatha's poison....Venusaur is grass/poison type, and therefore virtually unaffected by poison, what it does struggle with with Agatha is her Golbat with Wing Attack and Dream Eater from her Haunter And Gengars
In defence of Venusaur (on gen 3) he can learn sludge bomb, Earthquake. Real powerhouse if you know what you're doing
Sludge Bomb is postgame.
I don’t agree with Blastoise being better than Venusaur. On the offensive side, it is clearly better, but Venusaur’s typing is better in a kanto playthrough than Blastoise’s pure water type. Plus, Venusaur can use leech seed, sleep powder and toxic, moves that are very useful and help the other pokémon of our team, and last but not least, there are better water types than Blastoise (Starmie or Lapras, for example) but Venusaur is very probably the best grass type in kanto. Your arguments for Blastoise are valid, I gotta be honest, and in the end, it’s also a matter of opinion and if you prefer playing Blastoise, well, enjoy ! And other than that, this is a really good video !
i use venusaur on my first kanto playthrough but found it bit really fun, specially the poison type when i use nidoking and gengar on my team
then i switch to charizard,
i really really want to use blastoise tbh but i plan on using lapras as my water pokemon in team 😅
An argument against primarina is that ist has a poison weakness and can't defeat Team Skull. Yes, but it can learn Psychic from TM and kills every poison type. Primarina with Sparkling Aria, Ice Beam, Moon Blast and Pschic is so overpowered!
Snipe shot has a high crit chance though with the right kit it slaps
This.
It can one shot Leon's dynamaxed Charizard at the same level and it looks insanely badass at the same time
Plus sniper ability
That's probably why they should have gave Leon a pokemon from his region (why does he even have a charizard in the first place why couldn't it have been a dragapult)
Hi Pat, I use to watch you play cod zombies since it was one of my favorite games and glad to you see you making Pokémon videos as well which is also some of my favorite games
I like how there is a dig cave with wild diglett and dugtrios next the LT. Surge. You even find some insane levels like 32-36. Stronger than his Raichu.
Yep! First time I beat the game when I was like 11 years old, I did it with Blastoise and Dugtrio. I didn't really get the concept of "training", I just used what was good. Dugtrio starting out near level 30 made it good.
more than that, you can get and teach dig to squirtle before facing surge, so even if you are solo, you can still deal with him with relative ease(not easy, but with a much better match up than charmander would have against misty).
That's what I used to beef up my wartortle it's really good for that to if you picked squirtle or bulbasoar
Wasn't surprised that my boy made it to the number 1 spot cuz its already super amazing
"This thing gets close combat at level 41!"
*uses close combat at level 38
I used my decidueye the wrong way. I was mainly using him as my resident Pokémon catcher mon as he has access to Foresight and False Swipe as well as being immune to normal moves which was very useful in stopping beldum from take down suicide so he effectively can bring any mon down to 1 HP so I brought another mon that had hypnosis or something to catch every mon in the game… this was the strat I used to get a beldum and Tapu Lele in a beast ball
I also always thought how dominant swampert in the normal game is... so I had the feeling that I already knew who would be number 1 :D
It was refreshing how to-the-point this video was. I appreciated how you got right into the list.
My thoughts exactly. Crisp and to the point.
Yeah, Swampert for the win!!!!! I love Blaziken and it was my first Pokémon in Sapphire, but....I gotta go for the mudfish.....
I've been going through your videos slowly over the past 2 weeks, and this one i had to stop and say "caught that ridge racer type 4 song". Lol
Great video, yeah, Swampert is really good, keep it up!
I remember using swampert in the battle frontier, he carried me hard.
Infernape being fighting type and fast help it dominate Empoleon due to the otherwise good Water/Steel type combo.
Rillaboom is actually very good. And works really well for switches.
Finally, someone mentions Swampert and his 1 type weakness. I've been saying this since the beginning of gen 3 about Swampert and has been my fav of all time. My second fav would have to be Typhlosion with the move Thunderpunch (Gen 2) after teaching it to him at the Battle frontier.
My Gen 2 team was just Typhlosion, Tauros, and Tyranitar. In Crystal, Donphan was part of it because Phanpy can be caught early in the morning in grass heading north in the middle of the first route. But even though I love my Flare, every Typhlosion I ever get, there's no mistaking the absolute beast that Feraligatr is in Gen4. Surf& Waterfall for STAB, learns Ice Fang & Crunch, bulky& strong enough for Dynamic Punch, Thrash, and Outrage.
Great video! Agreed with everything
Always enjoy seeing love to the Squirtle line
Glad to see Primarina getting some love. Easily my favorite starter pokemon :)
I couldn't agree more, I love to see one of my fav Pokémon of all times (and my first pal) take the first spot in this classification, well deserved Swampert❤🎉
Cinderace is number 1 if it has the hidden ability Libero it can give him the best moves of multiple types by changing his type to his moves type any move that has ball in the name he can learn like electro ball, Shadow ball, energy ball, and pyro ball it is OP because it also has moves like scorching sands for ground type, sucker punch for dark u-turn for bug, acrobatics for flying, Gunk shot for poison, iron head for steel, and zen headbut for psychic it can literally be 11 types.
In gen 1, Bulbasaur has a lot more going for it than just it's type match-ups. It also has access to sleep powder (where sleep is broken in gen 1) and both Growth and Swords Dance, 2 of the best set-up moves in the game.
Also, there are far more good water types easily available in gen 1 than there are grass types.
To be honest though, I don't think there's a bad choice of starter in gen 1. All 3 can easily carry you through the game.
Swords Dance is good if you teach is Body Slam, but there's basically no reason to teach Venusaur Growth. Venusaur's best move in Gen 1 is Razor Leaf, which has a 98% chance of landing a critical hit. Critical hits ignore all stat changes in Gen 1, so using Growth is basically a waste of a turn, unless you're running Mega Drain instead
Agree. I use Swampert. And when Swampert learn Earthquakes. It's become invincible
Me as a kid not knowing about typings (except swampert is weak to grass) wondering why I don't get any "it's super effective" message against him. Then once I learned it, I'm not surprised why and since then I always get mudkip as my water Mon whenever available.
With hidden abilities, Greninja and Cinderace would be at the top of this list.
Serperior: "am i a joke for you?"
@@davidet.5448 serperrior hindered by its shallow movepool unfortunately its good competitively but its quite easy to predict
Cinderace,Blaziken,Greninja, Rillaboom and Incineroar.
Libero is OP
"It learns close combat at level 41"-
Proceeds to use close combat at level 38
Yeah I think he forgot to mention Infernape normally learns CC when evolving from Monferno at lvl. 36 ...
You can actually get wood hammer on torterra pretty easily if you know where a serect heart scale is
There is a super easy one to get in the city with the first gym, it’s called Oreburg or something 😂
Finally, the love primarina deserves 💖
I used it in USUM and was pleasantly surprised
My first reaction: Cinderace, Blaziken, Greninja, Rillaboom, Swampert… then realized this isn’t a competitve singles channel lol
mudkip is my favorite starter of all time and this video put a smile in my face
The smith plays has returned
Saying Venusaur is anywhere near equal to Blastoise in Gen 1 is actually insulting. Charizard was used for Speedruns before people realized that Blastoise was the best starter in Kanto, and then people started doing Nidoking runs. Venusaur was never even considered. It's not even close.
Imagine Swampert with the Sap Sipper ability.
Bruh then only Freeze dry could stop the beast
@@AdarshVK18 I think Game Freak made Freeze Dry only to nerf Swampert(and other Water Ground mons)
Honorable mentions should've included Tepig/Emboar in Black/White.
No starter has a positive MU on their first gym battle there but Tepig has the best one as it gets STAB Flame Charge and can steamroll once it gets a couple speed boosts on the leader's Lillipup
After that, it beats Lenora, Burgh, has the best MU of the three vs Elesa, does fine vs Clay as it beats Excadrill and Krokorok, doesn't do too well vs Skyla but by then you can pair Flame Charge with Heat Crash or Rock Tomb and take down her fliers, then beats Brycen with ease and fares well vs Drayden's pure dragons. Furthermore, he has advantageous MUs vs Cheren's Liepard and Unfezant, Bianca's Stoutlant, N's Sandile, Scraggy, Boldore, Ferroseed, Joltik, Klink, Klinklang, Zoroark, Carracosta, Vanilluxe and even the legendary dragon if he has Earthquake. He also beats Grimsley' team by default as well as Ghetsis' Bouffalant, Hydreigon and Bisharp, and has a positive match up against most of Alder's team.
You can easily clear the first half of BW with only Tepig which is a pretty tall order for Snivy and a fairly complex one for Oshawott, mainly because of how difficult Lenora Burgh and Elesa are for them.
On a side note I do think rival fights are important fights, most can be a pushover but there are some notorious nuzlocke enders such as Blue's Silph Co battle and May's Route 110 battle which goes to show how difficult they can be.
Flygon HG has nuzlocke video with "kanto starters only" in FireRed. And that is: Bulbassaur is amazing during 30% of the game, Blastoise is a beast in the rest.
Typhlosion in gen 2 is pretty broken in a playthrough. Just typhlosion with fire punch, and thunderpunch can carry you through so much. It also gets earthquake, and dynamic punch. If you pick cyndaquil it makes the already pretty easy game easier. I still pick chikorita though even though most say its one of, or the worst starter. I disagree heavily though. I have my own take on chikorita.
My own list, prior to watching the video. Honestly I'd like to just put Empoleon slot 5, but feel I ought to recognize how good Venusaur is, and should have at least one Grass type in the list. Venusaur or Torterra are basically the only Grass types that would make my cut, considering my relative dislike for mono-type Pokemon, Sceptile is still a contender despite that.
5. Venusaur
4. Greninja
3. Infernape
2. Blaziken
1. Swampert
Forgot to mention infernape's insane coverage (mach punch right before the rock gym and grass knot after the second, +access to acrobatics, and i think earthquake)
Just here after watching your top 5 weakest starters btw and after this vid your fricking earned my sub!
Somehow I really do agree to your list here.. Swampert was basically my go-to starter pokemon in all Gen 3
The guys a freak of nature and the thing that can stop it is nature itself (Grass)... While on Primarina, I'm all hands down to it...
peopl hating poplio before the launch of Sun/Moon don't deserve it LMAO... at level 36 your basically a Dragon, Dark, Fighting slayer
I’m loving these videos!! Love your content pat!
First Top i saw that include Blastoise. I'm so happy
"Infernape learns close combat at 41"
Shows clip of infernape using close combat at 38
Never pick based on the first gym, the latter gyms are vastly harder while the first are easy.
Torchic may be weak against the rock gym, but Combusken one shots them all.
Treeko is good here, but suck for Wallace the ice leader, the psychic gym, the flying gym, the fire gym, Team Magma, the ice Elite four member and most of Steven's Pokémon.
Mudkip is a good second, but Blaziken slays all of them bar the psychic gym which is the only real obstacle unless you grind a bit more.
Swampert strongest Pokemon, even arceus is afraid of him.
lmao nice joke
No arceus is afraid of Bidoof lol
I'm surprised Typhlosion is not on the list. But maybe type wise it doesn't beat as much as I remember. But it felt super OP in my playthrough of gen2 with it.
GSC Cyndaquill is bottom 5 starter. Especially if you play with LV cap.
1. learn ember at level 12. Which might not sounds that bad until you realize the lvl cap for Falkner is 9. Which mean you're stuck with just tackle to beat Falkner. GOOD LUCK!!!
2. It's only stab option is ember until level 31 when it learn Flame wheel.
3. Quillava cannot learn punching move. Typhlosion is the one who learn the punching move. Which mean yes you stuck with ember until 31.
4. It evolve way to late. Unlike Feraligatr who evolve at 30 or Meganium who evolve at 32. He evolve at 36. Which mean the only time he will be able to bring out the punching move is against Claire who resist all of the punching move.
@@riqua27 I definitely was not using a level cap challenge when I played gold version. Seems kinda irrelevant to bring up tbh. Even if you wanna talk about a level cap challenege, I am certain the other starters wouldnt fair any better against falkner at lv9. The video focused on type matchups mostly and cyndaquil only has a bad matchup against Clair which all 3 of the starters also have bad matchups since dragon resists all 3 starters. In the elite four there are only 3 problematic pokemon out of 20 total and lance himself for typhlosion. But again, all 3 of the starters struggle against lance. Typhlosion is clearly king in gen 2.
@@TheWarlordShogun
1. Not really. There's a reason why speedruner and minimum battle run use totodile as their starter.
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2. Totodile actually fare better than Cyndaquill in every way. He stay neutral most of the game. Rage is just so OP it carry you half the game. Also Lance and Claire is not a problem for Feraligatr Cause he learn Ice punch. Not to mention in LV cap run Feraligatr is actually not having the same issue with Typhlosion cause he evolve at level 30.
3. Why I talk about LV cap? A lot of reason. You see if you playing Nuzlocke LV cap is usually the rule they implement. Outside of Nuzlocke LV cap is actually one of the method you use to judge Pokemon equaly. You see in Pokemon you can overlevel any Pokemon and beat the game. You've seen right that people beat the game using Weedle. Because of that LV cap is a way to equalize the Pokemon when it come to comparing Pokemon.
@@TheWarlordShogun the problem is that you are forgetting how good of a type ferraligatr is. it has access to earthquake and ice beam, which means, its 2 biggest problems, grass and electric goes from a disadvantage to a 50-50 at worst. it is also like blastoise in that its pretty much the only starter of its gen which can deal with its "weak match up" incredibly easy.
@@riqua27 In fact, it is a way to compare Pokémons and the Level Cap is always 100. You compare Pokémons at level 100, and not before.
Now, if you want to compare a Pokémon at a certain point in the game, you must consider the in-game experience available until then, the available catchable Pokémon, the viability or not of team compositions or a solo run, and not arbitrary nuzlocke LV Cap that does not represent the official way of playing the games.
That said, Todile is better Lol.
Was watching this video after it got recommended to me and I was thinking "man, his voice and delivery is so familiar." Get to the end and look at the name of the channel for future reference and found out exactly where I knew it from. OG Zombies fans represent. Happy to see you making content man, no matter what the subject is
Welcome to the channel :)
Dope list but what’s the songs used in the video?
mega swampert: the absolute machine of destroying any kind of enemy in gen 6
grass:pathetic
Except my comfey team. Back when rain was all over the ladder with Tornadus therian, Mega pert, Pelipper, toxapex, etc - I made a sun team that used growth Venusaur and growth comfey as a gimmick, then hit top 50 with it.
Turns out, comfey hard countered half the gen 7 OU meta. Hawlucha, Swampert, kommo-o, Greninja - all victims
"The Pokemon everyone thinks of when you say fire/fighting." No. That would go to the OG fire/fighting starter Blaziken. Infernape was a nice sequel, though.
So Swampert is actually my favorite Pokémon of all time, and I clicked this just because I got excited when I saw one in the thumbnail just happy that he made this top five at all. But to see him top the list…
It only makes me happier and realizes how Swampert is an even bigger tank than I had previously thought! Oh how I’ll always love my fully evolved mud fish…
Even though Zard is my favorite of all time you hit the nail on the head with Blastoise. Ice beam by itself made him OP. Throw in dig and it’s a GG.
I’m surprised Libero wasn’t brought up for Cinderace
I just love that Swampert is Water/Ground
Love your music taken from P5R
The only one I use is swampert. Also besides factoring in stats you should also look at catchable Pokémon for example Venusaur is the best kanto starter when you factor in all other catchable gen I grass types
Alll 3 gen 3 starters were monsters. Blaze and sceptile were both sweepers who rarely got hit and swampert both tanked and cleared without being frequently hit
How overpowered they were actually made me do a ton of Zigzagoon and Linoone runs. Also partial geodude runs and Numel/camerupt runs until camerupt became overpowered himself
the main advantage of blastoise is how it can boost your team composition. it can deal with pretty much any type, including the ones its weak against, for example, in the entire elite 4, the only thing that might be a problem are the 2 gyarados. and even then, its bulky enough, and has access to withdraw, which boosts its defence. maybe alakazam could be problematic due to psychic, but it wont one shot you unless you get really unlucky, and it can certainly delete alakazam with earthquake afterwards.
as for catchables, again the squirtle line is superior, as the only 2 gyms you would need help with, misty and surge, have massive weakness to pokemon you can find before them, with pikachu and bellsprout, with oddish also working well enough.
if you are in red(which has oddish and you dont want to bother training it), you can also try using a jigglypuff, it learns disable pretty early on, use that on starmie, and you can make it unable to use bubblebeam. after that just swap to squirtle/wartortle and beat it with whatever you want.
The day i learned typhlosion can learn thunder punch. It was all over . My experience in pokemon gold was solid with that starter. Anyone with feraligatr felt confidence during link battles or when you ran into your rival , but that thunder punch humbled them quickly and any grass pokemon would easily burn🔥. Typhlosion should definetly be on this list.
Have you ever played gen 2? Johto is fucking brutal to starters not named Feraligate.
@catman9222 i started off with cyndaquil. It was smooth, nothing crazy. When i got silver i did feraligatr , not a fan of carrying water pokemon unless is a starter so surf came in handy. Then, I restarted with chikorita that was a mistake. Straight trash.
1. I'm very happy none of the black and white starters were even considered for top mentions. They're all abysmal, with only Samurott having some lasting usefulness, but getting clearly overshadowed by a captured Gyarados or Starmie midgame, depending on BW1/BW2. Emboar is clowned on by Sheer Force Darmanitan, and you can capture Darumaka on Route 4. Likewise Serperior gets clowned on Leavanny's better typing and movepool availability, and again you catch Sewaddle pretty early into the game. I understand Contrary Serperior is amazing for competitive, but your starter Snivy will never have Contrary, so a Grass type that can Leaf Blade, X-Scissor, Shadow Claw, Poison Jab is very nice by comparison to a Grass starter limited to normal and grass type attacks for most of the game.
2. Swampert is an excellent #1 pick. There are no complaints here. Ice/Ground/Water coverage with a Normal or Fighting type (ex: Brick Break) attack for the last slot is very useful. Nothing really outdoes Swampert at what it does when it's available. Gyarados is a strong water pokemon in every game it appears in, but given that it doesn't have the same easy access to ground-type moves (and lacking Ground STAB), and it doesn't hit as hard with Water or Ice type moves due to lower SpA, Swampert still just carries hard throughout the game with its wide movepool.
3. I'd disagree that Blastoise is even that good to be considered top 5. Blastoise is middling in all stats, and its 85 special is outdone by a freshly caught Tentacool right after you get the old rod in Dewford Town, which has 100 special. Yes. Tentacool (before it evolves to Tentacruel) outdamages Blastoise, assuming both are at the same level. Not to mention Tentacruel evolves at Level 30, which is sooner than Blastoise. It's also got access to Swords Dance + Double Edge, in addition to Wrap, and the obligatory Blizzard + Surf. Yes, Blastoise can use Dig early, and all that, but if we're just looking for a middle-of-the-road Pokemon that clears RB easily and solo, Nidoking does it better and can be in your party as soon as you get to Mt Moon and get your first Moon Stone. It also learns Surf, though it doesn't get the STAB and it's off a lower 75 special stat.
Yes. These non-starter alternatives I list aren't starters and don't deserve to be in a top 5 overpowered starter list, but I find it hard to argue that starters can be "overpowered" if they get outdone by easily caught non-starters. It puts into question "Why use this starter if I can just catch and use the clearly better instead, less than an hour or two into the game?"
My favourite stater Pokémon is Blaziken. But, even I have to admit Swampert is insane
Smith: The Pokémon everyone thinks of when you say fire/fighting...
Me: Oh Blaziken, my favourite!
Smith: Infernape.
Me: Oh yeah, that's also fire/fighting 😅
For gen 1 I prefer the Bulbasaur Line for being over powered due to Sleep/Poison Powder/Leech Seed/Mega Drain.
the better i got in pokemon the more i realised just how insane leech seed is
Exactly and while you can't poison AND PUT a pokemon to sleep you CAN put them to sleep AND STILL drain their HP via Leech Seed/Mega Drain.
The later games Bulbasaur is still useful via Sleep Powder Giga Drain Solar Beam And Sunny Day to use Soloar Beam without the 1 turn wait.
Swampert is good and all but I still prefer Torchic as the best starter in the Ruby Sapphire Emerald games OR its DS remake.
Swampert will always be my favorite Gen 3 starter!! Didn't know he was so OP!!!
I love swampert or even emporeon, emporeon, because of it being steel/water pokemon, also swampert, being water/ground both having sooo leess weakness.
Kinda suprising to see primarina on the top 5 overpowered starter even though barely any people use it
I always fall in love with water type pokemon 😄
That persona 5 BGM tho 🔥
I agree. Swampert is the penultimate starter. By a long shot. Even in other games he would still wreck the competition.
I think Blaziken got outplayed for gen 3 Blaziken has an amazing move set and can rip through the elite 4 by itself at lvl 74. The fact that Sky Uppercut that it learns literally 1 shots a lot of the other moms in the game. You don’t really have to worry about it’s type disadvantages as Blaziken has insane speed and can get off its moves before getting hit by its weaknesses. Just something to mention as I breezed through all three games with Blaziken leading the pack.
Yeah blaziken is nice but swampert is better. Swampert is also very useful in battle frontier.
@@billagap3213not just Battle Frontier, but even in the overworld. Swampert can Surf, Dive, and Waterfall, so you don't need 2 HM slaves to get to the Elite 4.
As a gen 8 player I used cinderace in my first team and it was brutal aiganst Nessa but in late game it is just good getting bounce helps and in my 3rd team it was even stronger as in late game and sweeping most Marco cosmos steel types and I say don't disrespect a starter if it's bad I used inteleon and I was shocked that it survived a max overgrow by charizard and it has great speed + Corviknight it helps with my team
I would argue that in the bdsp games torterra is actually kind of bad especially in a nuzlocke with level caps format. Roark's cranidos requires using razor leaf which has imperfect accuracy even after a growth boost. It also has to pray it doesn't get flinched. Gardenia straight up requires using a different pokemon if you dont want to take forever. Jupiter is a serious struggle. Maylene can be difficult as there is little grottle can do to stop lucario from bulking up and drain punching. Crasher wake is a pretty tough time for grottle. Gyrados starts off with an intimidate and packs ice fang for hax mode. Floatzel with ice fang and bite is yet more hax mode. Fantina is yet another problem. Drifblim is a terrible matchup and it packs wilo wisp, strength sap, and fly to mess with torterra. Gengar and mismagius can both play the confusion game and hit torterra pretty hard. Torterra finally does well against byron but not remotely as well as infernape. Candice is just ×4 weakness everywhere. The Jupiter Mars fight can be a huge problem. It can be difficult to prevent the bronzors from setting up screens as well as spamming confuse ray. The two golbats, purugly, and skuntank all have super effective moves on torterra. Cyrus is another problem. Cyrus starts with a 100% crit air cutter Honchkrow followed by a air cutter crobat, ice fang gyrados, and aerial ace weavile. The final gym, volkner, still has a few surprises for torterra. Octillery if it can out speed can hit hard with aurora beam and luxray is carrying ice fang. The final barry fight is also tough. Barry has a focus sash staraptor, ice fang floatzel, heracross, toxic roserade, snorlax, and infernape to get through. Aaron is a struggle with all the bugs. Torterra does really well against bertha and her ground types. Flint's fire moves as well as drifblim specifically are a bad time for torterra. Lucian can be difficult due to mr mime setting up screens and the amount of damage his pokemon can inflict including an ice punch medicham. Torterra actually does ok in the Cynthia fight only really having a problem with milotic's ice beam. Garchomp is still pretty difficult for torterra to bring down on its own.
its funny cause i also hear you was into mudkip's *monopoly man emoji*
Blastoise will always be #1 for me, his potential moveset makes it good enough to be almost a one man army
Yes I love Mudkip and his evolution line :3 !!!
Funny thing about Swampert line. In ORAS Marstomp learn protect at LV 32. Which mean in ORAS Swampert line actually fare against Norman way better than Blaziken line. Especially if you play on LV cap. Good luck beating Norman with Combusken.
Lol I’ve always beaten Norman with combuskin
@@demetriuspowell29 How? I can see Combusken beating Linoone or spinda. But Slaking is just no bueno. You can check out yourself on damage calculator. Even with 0 IV slaking. Slaking Facade still guarantee 2HKO while Combusken can't do that with double kick. Even with badge Boost added it will still do around 40% to slaking. And remember this is 0 IV slaking I'm using. Norman Slaking definitely not have 0 IV.
@@riqua27 Bulk Up.
@@yorecf9641 I guess but you're still in 2 shot range after a bulk up. If you play it in normal playthrough with item allowed I can see it happening. In Nuzlocke though is a big no. It's too risky.
@@riqua27 you can also just spam Bulk Up even without items. It’s worked for me in the past. Not saying that I think Blaziken is the best starter, just explaining how Jane could’ve done it.
Edit: Jane, not OP.
Me, a grass-type lover, always played with Venusaur and Sceptile but my gameplays with Blastoise and Swampert were a BLAST. They could tank almost anything in the game while dealing a big amount of damage. They had my heart since then ❤️
Contrary Serperior with leaf Storm was prob my fave starter so far Ngl
This video isn't talking about comp and you can't get Contrary Serperior as a starter.
@@yorecf9641 yeah, I know. I was just stating that’s one I really liked. I wasn’t saying it was necessarily just for a playthrough
Swampert in almost any situation : im god
Swampert when he touches a leaf :
im dead
its funny to learn the reason i sweep so much in gen 3 is cus my starter was swampert, and i honestly just picked him cus i thought he looked cool
Him: The pokemon everyone thinks of when you sat fire fighting.
Me: Blaziken?